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Australian State Bans Possession of Blueprints For 3D Printing Firearms (computerworld.com.au)
angry tapir writes: Possessing files that can be used to 3D print firearms will soon be illegal in the Australian state of New South Wales after new legislation, passed last week by state parliament, comes into effect. Possessing files for 3D printing guns will be punishable by up to 14 years in prison. The provisions "are targeted at criminals who think they can steal or modify firearms or manufacture firearms from 3D blueprints," NSW's justice minister, Troy Grant, said when introducing the bill in the state's lower house on 27 October. "Those who think they can skirt the law will find themselves facing some of the toughest penalties for firearms offences in this country," Grant said.
Man, what a nanny state. Need to put that defense distributed torrent back up.
Only outlaws will have guns.
The penalty for having a digital file that can be used in conjunction with a 3D printer to create a gun, or the penalty for not turning over your encryption keys?
Right, because the rest of the first world is safe without guns.
100's shot in Paris France, news at 11.
So you make sure you know the URL, or you keep the file away from prying eyes. As usual in IT the legislation is long out of date. Meanwhile of course sending the file to upstanding citizens could have some entertaining effects...
Enjoy the escalating knife deaths. People don't need guns. Better ban all those sharp tools.
You can have my guns when you pry my thumb drive from my warm, pasty hands.
No no. How about the powerless American liberty-tards who object to things like sentences of fourteen years in prison for a few thousand bytes on a disk?
The World Wide Web is dying. Soon, we shall have only the Internet.
In the commission or a crime ?
Yeah tjhats what i thought. Kneejerk reactions to a non issue.
Meh, it not the guns, rather the youfs hanging in the park. Go outside the urban shit holes, and there is little gun crime.
That's just a busy weekend in NYC or Detroit.
You don't get out much, do you ?
Get back to me when the French death rate hits over 10,000 a year, every year.
only criminals will have 3D blueprints. The NRA may be a bunch of idiots rabidly opposing quite reasonable gun controls, there may be some truth to be found in their slogan.
For all the Aussies who still value their freedom:
I'm working right now on a ~120MB torrent with all the Defense Distributed stuff, plus a bunch of 3D printed and CNC files for all kinds of guns.
The torrent will be encrypted with TrueCrypt, so your government cannot access it.
Hopefully this will spawn an underground garage gun industry down under.
We've been here before with crypto. The next step is to write the book and publish a gun source in the appendix. Let them start trying to ban the books. It reveals their true nature.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
Knives are already banned in many jurisdictions, including some with "liberal" gun laws.
With the correct program, any file can be used to print a 3D firearm.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Because they are not sent as blueprints. So at that point it's completely legal to have the gcode files for the printer.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Indonesia executes people for simple drug trafficking.
Criminals don't really care about the law because there are two main types of criminals who commit serious crimes: the stupid ones who don't think about the consequences and the smart ones who are willing to take more extreme measures to stop people from holding them accountable.
The one consequence they do tend to fear is a swift death at the hands of a potential victim. That's why increasing the capacity of self-defense for the law-abiding is always a good thing. If an unarmed 6ft tall man gets gunned down trying to rob a 5"2 woman, who cares? He shouldn't have been trying to commit a violent felony. It's not that his life is worth less than her purse, but that when he chose to put her in fear of her life over her purse, he forfeited his right to live in that moment.
How does rendering good people helpless make bad people become harmless?
...for now. I've yet to hear about a 3D printed gun that I would think was safe to be in the vicinity of when it was fired. Simple homemade zip guns are safer. I suppose a machined plastic composite (John Malcovich!) is effective & might slip through a metal detector (not sure how you get the ammo through) but we sure haven't heard much about them.
As the technology progresses this will likely change. But right now the high end 3D printer I have access to in my R&D lab couldn't create a decent, safe to use firearm. It could print out something that looks really cool & would freak people out!
SLOWER TRAFFIC KEEP RIGHT
Why does the law only apply to 3D printers or electronic milling machines? Why not outlaw all blueprints to all firearms, regardless of how they are manufactured?
Seeing the kind of quality most people get out of their 3D printers, I'm not sure it would actually be easier to produce one on a 3D printer as opposed to using more traditional methods.
Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
Good.
It was bad enough, with teenage sons, wondering if I ought to get them on a guest wifi to prevent some pron charge.
Everyone will eventually be a law breaker, at this rate.
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Except that it defines the contradiction of being liberal.
The legislation has definitely not anything at all to do with being liberal - unless you look at it from the perspective of The Ministry of Truth in the Orwellian world. It's all about controlling the thoughts of the population. Also realize that porn with women with small boobs is prohibited in Australia.
If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
No no. How about the powerless American liberty-tards who object to things like sentences of fourteen years in prison for a few thousand bytes on a disk?
It the mentality that because I don't want something (or to do something) it okay to make it illegal despite how dumb it is to do so. Now, I have no desire to own a dog (in fact I believe it's a form of slavery). But should I suggest that dog ownership be made illegal, I have no doubt that the same people who think that making it illegal to own gun plans would jump all over me.
Governments are so stupid!
In fact you're completely right - so-called "liberal" progressive demoncraps are "liberal" in name only. Really they just hate you and want you to die. Not the generic "you", mind you - you specifically. And me.
Il just download one whenever i need to and delete it afterwards.
It's about establishing the power to control and ban information, blueprints of 3D printed firearms are just the low hanging fruit of that particular tree.
If you want to play that game then the fault is because of colonization and intervention of the Europeans and, more specifically, the League of Nations. Or, we could just blame the guilty people and not try to lay the blame on others. There's guilt enough to go around if you want to go that route.
Interesting how different countries look at gun control so differently. Here in Texas starting January 1st a person will be able to walk around with revolvers strapped to their side, just like in the wild west.
Think they can control everything.
That's just a busy weekend in NYC or Detroit.
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But those are all just #BlackLivesThatDontMatter
Next will be a ban for 3D printing files for Mickey Mouse in the USA with jail times up to 99 years.
Sometimes the punishment for "crimes" is so backwards in this world. Punishment wise, you are better off actually molesting a child (and scarring that child for life) then you are distributing some 3d rendered child pornography (in which no child was actually hurt). Now I bet you'd be better off actually shooting someone than you would be for just possessing some blueprints.
Granted, there are reasons why you want to ban that. (and reasons to allow possession of such plans)
But these are exactly the same reasons that there are for restricting any plans for selected kinds of weapon to licensed manufacturers. If someone now only includes machine-printable plastic guns, that's nothing more that short-sighted, hype driven, blind "we had to do SOMETHING"..
bickerdyke
Many of the very same politicians who are eager to ban guns are guilty of using taxpayer funds to buy mass-produced guns and then providing them, by the truckload, to evil people. Obama provided them to Mexican drug gangs ("Fast&Furious" scandal). Both Republican and Democrat Presidents have provided them to various insurgencies and revolutionaries. Most modern governments, not just Americans, have done it to support various groups in regions where they had political or commercial interests. These guns do not evaporate; they continue to exist and then get bought and sold many times after any particular conflict is over. It's also true that gunsmith skills are very old and the skills, tools, and materials are widely available so that there is no true way to know how many guns actually exist. They never want people to think about and of THOSE categories of guns, nor do they ever have plans for getting the guns of criminals. Instead, they want the mass-produced guns of the law-abiding because THOSE are the easiest ones to go after.
With the advent of 3D printing, however, this is all about to change and the politicians are in a panic; promising a gun-shy public that they will control the files that control these printers is the cheapest and easiest form of gun control to them (they can brag abut doing it, but there are no easy metrics for success/failure). There is an interesting comparison to be made here which they will not want people to make: Most Western governments have capitulated very recently to the idea that Iran will inevitably get nukes. They argue that knowledge cannot be "un-learned" and that there is no effective way to keep Iran from getting the knowledge. By their deeds, they have said this sort of ban is doomed to failure. Same for gunsmith knowledge and plans and files for printers and mills.
Any government that is desperate to keep its average decent citizen unarmed, while being unable and/or unwilling to disarm all criminals and simultaneously guarding government officials with those very same evil weapons which are supposedly unsafe even in the hands of "good guys", does not deserve the trust of the public.
Because INFORMATION has to be outlawed by the all-knowing GOVERNMENT!
Remember, IT'S FOR YOU OWN GOOD!!!
The GOVERNMENT knows best!
First it was real guns. Then it was plans for guns. Next it will be thoughts about guns.
You left out "PB&J chewed into the shape of a gun".
For the chil'ens, of course.
Not really sure how they are going to enforce this on a individual basis, sounds more like additional rules to throw at people selling them or as crime evidence (like if a robber gets caught with one).
The malware devs out there need to add a feature that downloads various 3d printed gun plans and randomly places them all over the hard drive of an infected user.
I suppose next they'll start jailing people who have books on guns? Yet another psychotic law for the books in Australia. Not that the US is much better, in my state if I walk a taser across the state line from any number of the neighboring states where it is perfectly legal to own one I'm a felon with a two year jail term. Illegally purchase a handgun in that same state and its a misdemeanor with a fine and maybe a month or so jail time. Not that any of this stops nefarious people from getting hold of weapons, just gives the increasingly crazy governments of the world more reasons to arrest non-violent people and claim that they've "done something". Criminalize acts, not tools.
Folks can just view them on a webpage not hosted inside Australia while using the browser in Incognito mode. Law successfully skirted.
""Those who think they can skirt the law will find themselves facing some of the toughest penalties for firearms offences in this country,""
Those that will don't really care, do the Australian "authorities" understand criminal behaviour?
Is it just me? Or is Australia going draconian faster than any other Western nation
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
1 blueprint streaming service: you point the machine at an URL and it sends the instructions as needed.
2 break the plans into a number of sections: start with section 1 and then erase 1 when you have 3 done
3 hide the parts needed in a number of other plans
4 edit the plans so that if you follow the plans as written the finished product will not work
any others??
So are they going to attempt to enforce this in the United States via the Trans-Pacific Partnership?
And France has a population that is less than 1/6 of the US.
If you don't want to be a completely douche troll, at least use figures that matter, like per-capita death rates.
I'll give you a hint:
US total gun deaths per 100k population: 10.5
France total gun deaths per 100k pop: 3.01
Also remember that correlation != causation. Venezuela, which is run as basically a totalitarian state until they choose not to be, has outright banned guns with the exception of military and police (shocking, that) and they still have 5x the gun deaths per 100k that the US has.
Making guns illegal doesn't stop people that want to do things that are illegal from doing things illegal. Absolutely nobody in the history of the world has ever progressed along the thought line of "You know, that fucker Doug needs to die, and I'm the one to make it happen. Oops, can't kill Doug - the 90 day lockup for possession of a firearm is just too steep in comparison to LIFE IN PRISON FOR CAPITAL MURDER."
Two of the top ten stats with the strictest gun laws. Obviously the laws are not working http://www.deseretnews.com/top...
Unfortunately most of this is Black on Black crime. We need to provide better education and help everyone understand that #AllLivesMatter
Being that DropBox's servers aren't located in Australia, all someone needs to do is store their files in Dropbox. So Stupid.... Can Australia ban literature too?
Business plan for Anonymous:
1. Send a few e-mails to members of state government and parliament
2. Tip off prosecutors
3. Have fun and profit
People who go on about "liberals" like this do so only because they lack coherent arguments to back up their emotional reasoning. I hate you because you aren't capable of rational thought and believe your emotional reasoning is valid, which is the same reason everybody here should also hate you. Your position is fundamentally anti-intellectual, and borderline insane (there is certainly a huge grain of paranoia in there).
Can anyone explain how in earth could such legislation be approved in a democratic country ? It seems to me that one could be thrown to jail for something that he _could_ do if he managed to actually build a gun from the blueprint. I know that in some places there is the concept of "conspiracy to commit a crime" (or something like that), but usually the authorities must build their case on something more tangible...
3D-printed bullets do. Keep the guns and outlaw the bullets!
Amazing how twitter makes it easy to see #shills #thatPutHashTags #forEverythingUnderTheSun #eatAtJoe's #furIsMurder #AmericansForTheAmericanWayForEveryone
How about #bothKindsOfLivesThatMatter just go home and actually practice what they preach rather than stirring the hornets nest.
Well, it was in the 9th Ward here.....you pretty much expect crap like that in that area.
If you aren't in a gang, or buying/selling crack, you really have no business being in that area.
Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
And I'm still seeding the DefDist MegaPack v4.2 and will continue to do so.
Liberty in your lifetime
Knowing that the legal consequences of an action are disproportional to the "crime" does not mean that someone has any intention of carrying out that "crime."
I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.
And, interestingly enough, many of the counties with the most registered guns have violent rates that equal Europe's. Once again it's not the possession of a piece of metal that causes crime. Just like possession of a pe.n!s doesn't cause ra pe.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
A gun without ammo is just a paper weight. Furthermore, the ammo is worth more than the gun as you can just make a zip gun instead. Why buy a 3D printer, wait awhile for the gun to print, when for a fraction of the cost you can make zip gun? You can make so many zip guns for the cost of a 3D printer.
Fines and or jail time for printing items that you don't have a right to the IP is only a few short years away. Unlike downloading music which you can kinda delete and hide, you now have a tangible object. Which is not only harder to get rid of it's easier for a jury to relate to and conceptualize the loss from said activities.
Seriously, there is no knives in any kitchens in those jurisdictions ???
I don't see the whole "ban 3D printed guns" when its just an expensive paper weight without ammo. With ammo, you don't even a 3D printed gun, why bother? Just make a zip gun for a fraction of the cost.
Also realize that porn with women with small boobs is prohibited in Australia.
Well come on now. What kind of sicko likes tiny titty porn?
Go big or Go home!
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
It's not paranoia if he's right.
LK
"Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
IOW can one today legally possess a standard engineering drawing of, say, an AK-47 complete with dimensions and so forth?
It's the only thing I can think of to explain something as completely idiotically stupendously STUPID as this. This should be used as the new definition of incompetence in action.
Many games contain 3D files describing various guns.
Is a 3D wireframe illegal? A 3D surface model? A 3D CSG model?
Somebody please educate the poor lawmakers about what they are actually doing ...
Absolutely nobody in the history of the world has ever progressed along the thought line of ...
Actually I expect huge numbers of people have thought along those lines and decided that either or the difficulty of getting hold of a fire arm or the fear of prison is a good reason not to kill Doug. We just tend to remember the people who were not put off by those disincentives
What do you mean? PLA or ABS cows?
I know everybody here wants to get on with the business of rehashing the same old boring arguments about guns, but please notice this is about which IDEAS are illegal to possess. A drawing or blueprint is an idea and a piece of communication. It is not a firearm. In America this would be a 1st Amendment issue (not the 2nd).
This isn't Yahoo. You can say penis. You can say rape. You can even say "gay nigger". There's actually a multi-year long running troll built on saying just that.
Yes
Does Australia also have laws against owning books or visiting website on how to make a gun ?
There is a major difference between owning blue print and making it
You can even post the anthem of my home state here:
Rat shit, bat shit,
Who the fuck are we?
Cocksucker, motherfucker,
We're from Tennessee!
I don't know that!
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As usual, the Zionist occupied government wants to make damn sure that it's citizens (goyim) are unarmed and powerless, so that the Jew can do whatever the hell he wants to do them.
Martin Bryant (accused of committing the Port Arthur massacre) was clearly innocent, and that was Australia's false flag attack, so that the government could disarm its citizens.
Those who outlaw *communications* or attempt to do so are acting criminally against there people. The very idea is a crime against democracy and the people are justified in using violence to restore there democracy. You can't have a true democracy unless the people are free to communicate.
Australia's right and ideas are dangerous. It is imperative that weapons and the blueprints thereof, of all kinds, be reserved solely for the ruling political Party, for the safety of our Sohne and Töchter, for the future of the Fatherland.
Burning the blueprints and subversive books is only a first necessary step in bringing safety to our good, honest nation. Those who do not see the rightness of this action are so blinded they see the sky as green and fields as blue, and ought to be sterilized.
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Hey... 16 shot in a park in the USA today, film at 11.
...in a "Gun Free Zone".
The conventional defense against bringing firearms into crowded places (like sports stadiums, political speeches (when four of your presidents get shot (McKinley, Lincoln, TDR, Kennedy) it's kinda an issue), airports) has been metal detectors. If you start making guns that can bypass metal detectors, you open up a new vector of attack in said crowded places.
Given that using firearms in a crowded place to defend people is a Bad Idea (TM) because of collatoral damage, how do you propose we protect people? Americans, after all, have a long history of disarming people in crowded places that goes back to the Old West and further.
-- Political fascism requires a Fuhrer.
We've seen this kind of thing before, but it was even more ridiculous when the U.S. government tried to claim that it was illegal to export code that implemented the RSA algorithm.
Those not familiar might be interested in this link...
RSA in 3 lines of perl
This is an ex-parrot!
I suppose OZ will next ban nylon chopping blocks on there way to banning fire.
None with points.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
A kid can be expelled from school and thrown in jail for making the shape of a gun with his fingers, under the "making terroristic threats" statutes.
If I label my 3D file "for wood carving", it very clearly is not "for 3D printing". I hope they made it illegal to load files labelled "for wood caring" into a 3D printer.
Is this limited to firearms?
Or do the retarded Australian government include things like Nerf guns, or water pistols?
If anyone wants to e-mail the guy (and attach a 3D printed handgun CAD), his e-mail is:
dubbo@parliament.nsw.gov.au
There is a BIG problem in the state of New South Wales with criminals getting hold of guns and using them as part of crimes.
Violent criminal gangs in particular are causing major issues (and shooting each other up all the time).
The new law has nothing to do with wanting to put the 3D printing genie back in the bottle and everything to do with making it harder for these criminal gangs to get more guns to shoot people with.
In addition to banning 3D printed guns, the law also increases the penalty for tampering with serial numbers and identification marks on firearm barrels, extends the penalty to other gun parts (not just barrels). It also does some stuff to penalties for possession of such parts. And it strengthens the penalties for using, supplying, acquiring or possessing a stolen gun (or gun parts).
Oh and the ban doesn't just cover 3D printer plans, it covers plans for use with milling machines and other things too (i.e. any digital plans that can be used to make guns or gun parts are covered)
Then why not just make it a crime to possess a firearm?
Criminalizing CAD files just because someone *might* use it to print a firearm (Oh look, A always leads to B mentality!) is borderline retarded.
As someone who lives in the UK, and where possessing firearms is a crime (although I could argue that's malum prohibitum), I have a copy of the Liberator CAD, not because I plan to print it, but simply because I can.
In the blessed United Kingdom, licences are extremely hard to come by - basically hand guns are outlawed entirely. So, no, get a licence, get a gun doesn't work. Not sure about Australia.
perhaps also the plans to print the brass cartridges, lead bullet, gunpowder, and mercury fulminate should also be banned?
Are knitting needles illegal too? How about cleavers?
What the fuck happened to the world and why are people so shit scared of their own shadows that they feel the need to go crying to the government for yet more authoritarian garbage? They're literally demanding their own prison. I wouldn't have a problem with that, but these fascists are demanding it for everyone else as well, and that has got to stop.
They should outlaw the sale of forks next. One slip, and BOOM! there goes your eye.
I know there are a lot of gut toting nut case American NRA members complaining left right and centre, but guess what guys: We like it.
We like being safe on the streets at night. We like being able to send out kids to school knowing they will come home that night. We like being able to leave our 4 year old in the living room and not come back to find brains on the walls.
You can have your "right" to bear arms. We can have our right to be secure and keep our kids alive instead.
And frankly, ours is the better way.
14 years. They found a USB drive in my bedroom that was my Ex-wife's. It has a 3d printer file for a gun. Somehow it's my fault I didn't get rid of it.
Hah, I knew you're lying. The right answer is nothing. You get 20 years for the 3d printer files. Nothing gets you 14 years.
You'll love the gulag after a while.