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Greenwald: Why the CIA Is Smearing Edward Snowden After Paris Attacks (latimes.com)
JoeyRox points out that Glenn Greenwald has some harsh words for the CIA in an op-ed piece for the LA Times. From the article: "Decent people see tragedy and barbarism when viewing a terrorism attack. American politicians and intelligence officials see something else: opportunity. Bodies were still lying in the streets of Paris when CIA operatives began exploiting the resulting fear and anger to advance long-standing political agendas. They and their congressional allies instantly attempted to heap blame for the atrocity not on Islamic State but on several preexisting adversaries: Internet encryption, Silicon Valley's privacy policies and Edward Snowden."
"You never let a serious crisis go to waste. And what I mean by that it's an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before."
Rahm Emanuel
Aren't politics grand? Gotta further an agenda while the corpses are still warm. (You lose impact any other way, you see.) /s
Except for the one in the Constitution, which would be, y'know, the legal one in his case.
How are they smearing him, again? He's a traitor by any definition. He's lucky to not be executed.
Nice try CIA.
When Russia told the US about the Boston Marathon bombers?
When a flight instructor told the US about people who wanted to fly planes, but not land them before 9/11?
We have replaced credible human intelligence with signals intelligence. Making the hay stack bigger only makes the needles harder to find.
How are they smearing him, again? He's a traitor by any definition. He's lucky to not be executed.
Through false accusations, thats how. Did he break the law? Yes. The paris attacks were proven to have no relation to encryption. Smear him if you will, but smear him with what crimes he ACTUALLY committed.
Is sousveillance traitorous? Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
Some people are too lazy to know right from wrong, so they let the state dictate morality for them. These people are going to hell.
By any objective standard, Snowden has been right on all accounts and the Empire has nothing to say except "TRAITOR!"
>80 column hard wrapped e-mail is not a sign of intelligent
>life
The level of manipulation of Big Media in the United States is shocking and should alarm anyone. The "news" was filled with stories about how there's now suddenly a big debate about encryption and how Silicon Valley is in the hot seat. Really?!? Completely manufactured bullshit brought to you by the oligarchy which very tightly controls Big Media, controls what the agenda is (and is not), and works overtime to manipulate the public to further its agenda of greed.
Thank God Glen Greenwald pointed this out. I guess that's one thing I'm truly thankful for on this day!
Are you being serious?
Let's assume for a moment, that you aren't being a blatant troll here. With that in mind, here's why it is a smear.
1) The paris terrorists did not use encryption at all--
2) The French government, and the US government already had people warning them about the impending attacks.
3) Snowden's leaks centered around *ILLEGAL* intelligence gathering practices, and his leaks were carefully sanitized and redacted by reporters with journalistic integrity.
4) Unless you think Russia is somehow behind the paris attacks, there is nothing that ties Snowden with said attacks-- and even that is just supposition. (There is shit little Snowden has given Russia besides PR.)
The only connection here is that Snowden drew attention to the US's (and its allies') use of illegal data collection for intelligence purposes, which gave the US a black eye, (and a much needed one at that.) and the administrators behind those illegal data collection practices want to try to assert (falsely) that they could have stopped the paris attack, if it hadn't been for that meddling kid-- Erhm-- Edward Snowden.
This is bullshit-- as again, the terrorists were using unencrypted channels of communication, AND were already known about by intelligence agents/agencies-- who already knew the attack was going to happen.
So, why didn't they stop it? Oh-- yeah-- Because Edward Snowden somehow used whistleblower black magic to somehow make it so they couldnt act on the intelligence they had already collected.... Somehow.
All that said-- Seriously, go troll somewhere else.
A new study from the University of Iowa finds that once people reach a conclusion, they aren’t likely to change their minds, even when new information shows their initial belief is likely wrong and clinging to that belief costs real money.
Traitor in the sense that he betrayed the various agencies involved in espionage, sure.
Traitor to the American people, and to a large extent citizens of the free nations of the world, that is an open question.
Unfortunately, it will remain an open question because there is virtually no possibility of him receiving a fair and open trial. Even if we ignore all of the cries for his execution, the laws that he allegedly broke ensure that he is tried by parties associated with the prosecution.
No relation to encryption isn't an issue. He attacked his country's intelligence services, at a bad time it turns out.
At the moment they are fighting propaganda, they will go on and on commenting as hundreds of users per real person and impersonating situational personalities in public spaces to push their agenda. They are fighting against people who just don't care, they are just trying to be truthful in subjects which others have had bad histories with.
No matter what, they will keep on and they can't be beat in their fight. Eventually however people will realize that they are just trying to save their sanity because they came from a world with a very small possibility of global or even communal communication.
It's a generational (perhaps multiple-generation) schism.
It has nothing do with encryption so you call all drop the comments about "But the Paris attackers didn't use encryption!" Totally irrelevant.
There is a book on the subject that details how Snowden negatively impacted US intelligence. You can believe he's a hero if you want, but it doesn't mean that his actions had no effect: The Snowden Operation: Inside the West's Greatest Intelligence Disaster
Go fuck yourself, you boot-licking scumbag. Snowden is a hero who told the American people about billions of felonies committed against us every day.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Because the CIA is fucking evil. Next question?
Seriously, the CIA is responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda as a threat to America, you're welcome for 9/11. Then the CIA was responsible for torturing people and provoking new terrorist recruitment, running the drone killing campaign which spawns ten terrorists for every one it kills, and now we have ISIS which is a result of W. Bush's stupid illegal invasion of Iraq, which HIS OWN FATHER warned him would happen. But Bush and the CIA people annoyed his father didn't do it went ahead anyway, and look where we are now.
That he hurry the Intel community isn't the point either. He showed them to be lying to Congress and operating illegally.
A terrible time for the NSA, indeed.
4) Unless you think Russia is somehow behind the paris attacks, there is nothing that ties Snowden with said attacks-- and even that is just supposition. (There is shit little Snowden has given Russia besides PR.)
I posted before, Assange advised Snowden to go to Russia, and ignore concerns about the “negative PR consequences” of sheltering in Russia because it was one of the few places in the world where the CIA’s influence did not reach.. Snowden himself, chose Latin America, but the consequences proved that Assange is right:
http://www.wired.com/2014/08/e...
The story, by Greg Miller, recounts daily meetings with senior officials from the FBI, CIA, and State Department, all desperately trying to come up with ways to capture Snowden. One official told Miller: “We were hoping he was going to be stupid enough to get on some kind of airplane, and then have an ally say: ‘You’re in our airspace. Land.’ ” He wasn’t. And since he disappeared into Russia, the US seems to have lost all trace of him.
Bolivian President Aircraft was forced to take off for searching Snowden.
Since when have any of those people really cared about what the Constitution says?
but they've used it up.
Just like Liberals use school shootings to push gun grabbing laws and work to repeal the 2nd amendment. Nothing different here at all. Hell, even Obama went on TV before the bodies were cold in Oregon and disgustingly spoke of politics to push his and the rest of the Democrats agenda of gun grabbing. They do this all the time, fear mongering liberals. They even use those horrible incidents to attack the NRA, comparing them to "terrorists" in a grotesque and shallow display of arrogance and ignorance. There is NO DIFFERENCE in what they're doing. It's horrible and they should be held accountable for it, not put on a throne and praised by the ignorant and easily manipulated.
...including "Silicon Valley's privacy policies" in the list of pet peeves for the CIA/NSA. In fact, Silicon Valley IT giants have a steady stream of revenue from providing services to assist the NSA in their private personal data trawling. It's just business. The public rhetoric is simply PR and marketing to keep their share prices up. None of the IT giants are proposing anything that would actually prevent the NSA from bulk data collection and accessing their data warehouses, security certificates, and encryption keys. The greatest facilitators in the most intrusive and pervasive surveillance programme in history are the IT giants themselves. Let's not forget that.
You are a good example for this study:
http://now.uiowa.edu/2015/11/s...
The cited paper is behind a fucking paywall.
Damn, I meant aircraft takeoff from Moscow, while inserted the quote I forgot to delete the phrase!
Sadly the CIA is right wing as is the military, industrial complex. The one thing we know about the right wing is that they lie and lie and lie. For the CIA job security and advancement, all are related to seeing supposed, great threats to the US. If no threat exists they will create one. Further, wars make some people a lot of money when there are active conflicts,
GG signed a movie deal with Sony, partner with the NSA, after the "leaks" were out.
By the way, where are the leaks? Cryptome has been keeping track, and on any scale, he hasn't "leaked" more than 1% of what snowden gave him.
You mean he exposed the real traitors to the US constitution, AKA the US intelligence services?
If you live to be 500, you will never, ever be half the hero and patriot that Edward Snowden is.
You are welcome on my lawn.
What's the point? This detracts from their own goals of safety for USA. And they live there. So wtf? What is the ends here?
The comments on the article make for depressing reading. People seem to have swallowed the horror stories about encryption hook, line and sinker.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Pfft, we've known about cold fjord forever.
LOL
From a previously posted comment: Articles about Microsoft spying:
Microsoft's Software is Malware. "Malware means software designed to function in ways that mistreat or harm the user." -- Gnu.org
How Can Any Company Ever Trust Microsoft Again? -- Computerworld UK
Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages -- The Guardian
Snowden is a criminal. His crime is that of outsmarting the US shadow govt., something they will never forgive him for. You may stop this hero but you can't stop us all. After all ... were all alike.
I might be getting old and grumpy, or it may be the effect of a sixpack or two, or it might be my NoScript allowing Slashdot only, but I came here to whine about "News for nerds, stuff that matters" asking myself why the filesystem-check does this matter for nerds.
To make a good whiney comment, with citations and all, I looked for the slogan on the front page, but... colour [I learned English from a Brit, sue me, Arbeit macht mich frei] me surprised!
At first I didn't see the connection with using a terrorist attack to push political agendas to whichever side. At second, I didn't see the connection of that attack with news for freaking "nerds". At last, I didn't see the mention of nerds anymore.
Should I walk to the east and board an Elven ship to Valinor, for my time has passed?
Stupidity is an equal opportunity striker.
Fellow slashdotter Bill Dog
They care a great deal about what the constitution says. The problem is that they don't seem to care what the constitution means.
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> No relation to encryption isn't an issue. He attacked his country's intelligence services, at a bad time it turns out.
He exposed criminal behavior, both in the US and worldwide, and the waste of millions if not billions of dollars of intelligence efforts aimed at completely innocent people. Because it's proven so very fruitless, it was and remains a good idea to expose it.
Well said
Wow. What a bunch of crap this site is pushing down the throats of the dumb and young.
If we had a sane policy of spying on Muslims or people who were/might be Muslims, and filtering things from there, and if Snowden had blown the whistle on that policy, I'd agree w/ you. But we didn't. In order to avoid being called 'islamophobic', we adapted a policy of spying on everybody, and that's what he called out. And that's what is at issue here.
Snowden isn't the one responsible for the Paris attacks. Decades of allowing Muslims from North Africa to move into and settle in France, away from their North African hellholes - was what caused this. If France and other European countries had kept Muslims out after leaving Algeria and their other former colonies, it's unlikely that they'd have had a ghetto population today being inspired by fellow Muslims abroad to murder people they had been living beside all these years.
No, he's a lawyer doing journalism. Much, MUCH better than being some useless retard like any "journalist"... Much better than Sam Harris, also.
A lot more people have done a lot worse things than Snowden. We have 100s of murderers in our jails who'll have decades of legal battles of their death sentences. Snowden doesn't come anywhere near them. Even if one assumes the worst about Snowden - which I don't - the death of the Paris victims would have been an unintended consequence of his revelations, as opposed to the cold blooded murder of hundreds of people every day.
Kill yourself, boot-licking crybaby coward.
You are scum.
Edward Snowden is a hero and a real patriot who stood up for the ideals of the United States of America and the rights of its people. Most of the people in power in the government along with people like you are the traitors and should either be exiled or sentenced to death.
You mean he attacked the traitors in the US government and exposed many traitor sympathisers like you.
How are they smearing him, again? He's a traitor by any definition. He's lucky to not be executed.
You are a worthless sack of shit, Brett Buck. Please do the world a favour and kill yourself.
Because smearing is easier than doing proper counterintelligence? WMD... anyone?... anyone?...
So you were going to take something out of context to prove a point?
The CIA's former acting director, Michael Morell... Former CIA chief James Woolsey...
These people are not from the CIA anymore, they have no right to talk on the behalf of the CIA and what they say are personal opinions, nothing more.
My mentat computer has come out with conclusive results. It's not tomorrow. Don't get me wrong; something evil happens tomorrow. There will come a day, growing sooner now, when there will be a flash, brighter than the sun, brighter than anything you've ever seen. Tomorrow will be its opening ritual.
/. and other sources reported conclusively that the terrorists used simple unencrypted sms messaging to communicate/arrange their attack. But local media (in Canada that's CTV), still yelped that it was the 'encrypted' Playstation4 that was the handmaiden of the terrorists. And I heard the yelps about Edward Snowden too. And I thought "What the hell? That's a heck of a stretch!" And they repeated it and repeated it until the media started following their lead. And in my head the propaganda alarm went off. And they could have used 1000 other kinds of communication to coordinate. They could have used steganography on any of them and blabbed in the clear and the 5 eyes and the French DGSE, DGSI, and even the BGRE would not be able to pick it apart. And right now someone reading my post is shitting and saying "don't say steganagraphy!" And the security theater goes on. It includes the act that pushes "security by obscurity". But alas, university taught me that "Security by Obscurity is a Fallacy"(tm). But the fiction the 3 and 4 letter agencies like to push (the political show), doesn't like that reality to be told.
We need an Edward Snowden Day. How do you organise one of those things?
No, only spelling mistake. ...", but I was distracted when quoting from the news paper, only recognized after I posted.
I intent to write phrase "takeoff from Moscow", then I think it is not necessary. It would be "... aircraft was forced to land
And most of congress.
Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
Des care wen iz not in rule.
They h8 de constitution
And the Repukians WANT uz to die.
Repukians don't care.
Snowden and the pansy from CA that submitted this article are no jingoists. If Snowden was so happy with what he had done, he would not have run away.
Time to bring back walking with a big stick and not being fearful of someone having their feelings hurt by something said.
It doesn't cover the most common problems.
Unlimited power from the sun
Trollololololol!
What does an established and widely tolerated or accepted domestic surveillance program do after Adolf Hitler wins the election?
Does that actually make sense in your head?
AppleCare doesn't care ably birthday j
Fuck you in your ass with the whole store faggot.
Exactly. As everyone now knows. Snowden is a mastermind hacker who has no peers. You fucking numbwit slashtard gamer faggots STFU
Which is why smart people call it ApplyDontCare.
Do you support Edward Snowden? Then you can't possibly support Anonymous then right? In your mind the U.S. government is too secretive and unaccountable? Anonymous is more secretive and far less accountable.
Not at ammr
You get someone famous enough to declare it.
Nice to see someone unafraid to speak the truth, especially someone involved with the media.
Too bad he'll die in a tragic accident very soon and/or be completely discredited and/or found guilty of being in posession of child porn or illegal drugs or other contraband, and everything he had to say denied as false.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
Go fuckus yourselfus.
I don't know who, but I have an idea how: Don't use anything connected: email, chat, connected-navigation; I would go even for phones and SMS, but I think that's a stretch (especially since they could be useful for meeting details). Basically what every Sunday SHOULD be: BBQ with family. This would be great icentive for sampling the unconnected world, as the current reccomandations do not have immediate or forseable goals, except for authors "trust me! it will be better for you".
My neighbor just attacked me with his politically neutral rhetoric. I'm planning to hang him until dead tomorrow, and before that spreading the community with rumors that he was a sexual deviant and a threat to the children of the community.
Sheep sheep sheep sheep!
Is that cold fjord by any other name?
Read the BBC backgrounder on the terrorists. They met in prison (i.e. no comms) and lived in the same place (so met face to face).
NSA'S HAYSTACK DID NOT CONTAIN THE TERRORIST NEEDLES.
It was the wrong haystack, hence the need to distract people from their failure. Snowden is a hero and they are the problem.
Yeah, really. It scares me to think people like that have voting rights...
So you think that dangerous and criminal enemies of the constitution should not be hurt at all but protected from the results of their despicable acts? Is that what you are saying?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
'by definition'? Are we talking actual dictionary definitions or the General Alexander magic word book?
Snowden swore an oath to uphold the Constitution, not General 'A' and being a traitor to his boss and revealing the lies being told to Congress does not make him a traitor. It means he did his job. What is shocking is how many in the NSA were brainwashed cult members.
You can't have democracy and mass surveillance. Whoever controls the surveillance controls the democracy. General Alexander was clearly prepping for a Presidential run on retirement. Even now he HIRES the NSA CTO for his private company! He would have been a Putin style dictator.
Next time it is Snowden's bday, declare proudly that you're staying offline and disconnect! ... or, declare it the day before or something.
If our politicians hadn't chased him away he mightn't have.
No, preventing the Paris attacks would not have required even more intelligence gathering and breaking encryption. It would have required real persons to really look into matters, really follow the suspects, and catch them before they armed themselves and go for their killing spree. Instead the intelligence community sat there hoping that out of the data cloud a voice would tell them time and location of the attacks.
Mod up.
No encryption, did not apply. But spending $150 million to influence the press is a perversion of justice and prejudicial contempt.
In British law, coming to court with clean, not sullied hands is a must. Those familiar with rules of evidence are going to find not guilty.
Bluntly govt sanctioned cheating is unacceptable. I blame all US teachers for the ignorance of the constitution, which can be bought out for not much. .
We used to hang racist shitheads like you
I offer you an XOR deal. If you want us to prosecute Snowden, we'll also put YOU on trial. If you want amnesty from your gross misconduct, then Snowden must be included.
A/C - which CIA/NSA troll might you be ?
Uh what? They intelligence agencies are supposed to give notice only when times are good?
The pro-surveillance trolls make so little sense these days that it's no wonder the agencies have to buy/extort all the major political parties. Because otherwise whichever remaining party would not regurgitate the same tripe would win the next election.
"dangerous and criminal enemies of the constitution"? Wouldn't that be the CIA and NSA? They clearly are dangerous, they commit a lot of felonies (including perjury before congress, purportedly supposed to control the services, and sabotaging the computers used by the committees supposed to look at their work), and they have a very dim view of the Bill of Rights.
Decades of allowing Muslims from North Africa to move into and settle in France, away from their North African hellholes - was what caused this.
Well, sure, but there are also millions that have escaped those hellholes and are thankful to Europe and France for it.
As a European I'm not going to close the doors in the face of millions of good people just because a couple of dozens are rotten.
And no, my family didn't recently arrive here, I can trace my ancestry back longer than the US has been around.
I noticed the instant anti-encryption spin as well. It was all over TV and in the NY Times as well, with virtually no opposing viewpoints expressed. And it happened so fast that you have to wonder if the FBI had a set of speeches ready to roll out at the next occurrence of a terror attack. It's especially embarrassing for these guys given the fact that it appears that the terrorists used SMS, and that metadata indicating who was communicating with whom was all available and the intelligence agencies still didn't manage to stop the attack. My suspicion is that the intelligence agencies collect lots of data but have no way of sieving through it to find actual useful information.
I read the summary of the book, and pretty much, it says that Snowden hurt the western alliance because it showed how the US was spying on its allies. That's like saying BLM activists are hurting race relations in the US by showing how often police actually murder black people who are doing nothing wrong. You're blaming the wrong actor. IOW, perhaps if we weren't spying on Angela Merkel, she wouldn't be pissed that we were spying on her. Only morons believe that secrets will stay secret forever.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. My god I haven't laughed so much since the last group of pro Snowden morons starting jacking off on Slashdot. The problem with you lot is you think you're living in a fucking Bourne movie. Those of us in the reality-based community understand how these things work. There's a reason Snowden went to live in bastion of freedom RUSSIA, after all.
Guys,
a curious European here.
If what he did was not illegal (treason or not) in US, how could US government prosecute him?
Why did he have to flee at all?
To claim he's lucky to not be executed and to smear on such a hero is clearly an act of terrorism. CIA, please all move to Guantanamo, don't take any money, you are a threat to the USA!
The "surveilance is evil" guys need to propose an alternative way for intelligence agencies to work.
As an example, there are about 1 million Syrian refugees in Europe.
About 13% of them are positive about ISIS.
http://www.clarionproject.org/...
Tell me, pretty please, how you are supposed to monitor 130'000 men.
The same as what they do after George W. Bush or Barack Obama wins the election: they brief him in. He has the choice to be with them, or against them. Not a hard choice for Hitler, and he'll be open to a lot of their more audacious suggestions that some of the Constitution pansies in their past were too finicky for.
Back in the day, before this sig-int shit got so big that everything else suffocates under it, back in the day, people in intelligence agencies had to read (and understand) newspapers, compile reports about articles, people, developments.
That also required a certain level of "intelligence", of course. Which means "able to think".
These days, it looks like that is actually a disqualification...
Why is this worrysome?
Because ISIS is real. And currently, the strategy to defeat them seems to be to get more brutal, more ruthless, more lethal with them. It's a "race to the bottom" we can't win - or only, if we turn ourselves into something that looks very similar to the enemy we want to win over.
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
If you live to be 500, you will never, ever be half the hero and patriot that Edward Snowden is.
Neither will you, I or anyone else in this forum, for that matter.
Hero and Patriot are two of the most overused words in the English language these days. Liberals and conservatives alike tend to get too hung up on the superhero worship syndrome as it is.
Except the terrorists were not using secure communication at all, and no encryption whatsoever. What a blunder on the part of these anti-encryption idiots.
I saw that even Hillary Clinton went in on attacking encryption without even knowing the truth of the situation.
Both Democrats and Republicans are headed by idiots.
Except of course that everything you've written is horseshit. Paris was specifically not enabled by the terrorists' knowledge of encryption, because it has become perfectly clear that they didn't bother using it.
When the security services can manage to prevent all the attacks that they should be able to prevent simply by looking at the unencrypted traffic, then we'll talk about whether they need more help to break encryption. And the answer will still be no, because the damage that would result from government-mandated backdoors being discovered and used by criminals would be orders of magnitude worse than the damage that would result from the occasional terrorist attack. Hell, some of the criminals exploiting such backdoors would _be_ the terrorists, using the backdoors to steal money to fund their operations.
Snowden has already been charged with espionage offences. The constitution wouldn't save him if he were to set foot somewhere he could be extradited from.
Maybe you've been living in a cave the past year or so but it has been the intelligence and law enforcement community screaming like Chicken Little about the dangers of encryption. In fact, immediately after the Paris attacks, the same people were claiming that a PS4 enabled the terrorists to communicate securely to plan the Paris attacks. That turned out to be a complete lie generated by law enforcement to gain sympathy for their "ban encryption" efforts.
For good measure, they also claimed that Snowden's disclosures have made terrorists start using encryption and that Snowden had blood on his hands in Paris. This is ignoring the fact that terrorists have been well-aware of the US' ability to eavesdrop on communications and have been heavily using encryption or non-electronic means of communicating prior to Snowden.
On the topic of Snowden, nobody in the intelligence community has been able to articulate exactly what damage Snowden's disclosures have done in terms of hunting terrorists or legitimate intel sources. That's a pretty strong indicator that all of you armchair quarterbacks, including the one who authored your book, are full of shit.
There is a book on the subject that details how Snowden negatively impacted US intelligence.
He certainly "negatively impacted" US intelligence, though it's a lot like how a police officer "negatively impacted" the criminal he just arrested. The US intelligence agencies did all the harm to themselves, and when you were made aware of their criminal activities, you chose to blame the messenger and the not the criminals.
Fanatically anti-fanatical
It's called "bending the law". Deliberately interpreting it in ways it was never intended to in order to get to someone you want to see arrested. It's done all the time, Dotcom, Snowden, Assange are just prominent examples.
Russia has perfected this method, but the US is a close contender.
What he's done is illegal, and he has been charged. (Whether or not it was a good thing is a separate question) It is not, however, treason, which is the only crime defined in the Constitution and is defined quite narrowly.
Heck, they learned this from the gun grabbers who jump on every shooting and demand more laws, when by golly, the existing laws, if enforced, would do. (see for example, Fast and Furious, laws for gun-free zones, laws against murder no matter how you do it, and so on forever, already existing) Never let a crisis go to waste. Always consider the source...I think this behavior is ghoulish, personally. And when Ed Snowden "hurt" the TLAs, they have a lot of balls to say that hurt the USA - as if they alone were the USA - it helped the vast majority of actual citizens who, unlike them, do obey the laws of the land.
Why guess when you can know? Measure!
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
So, are you saying that he is not adhering to Russia, or giving aid and comfort to any of the US's enemies? I am not sure of the definition of adhering in this context, but it is quite easy to see how exposing the methods used to spy would be giving aid to the US's enemies, it after all led directly to Crimea being invaded and annexed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
If it's so easy to see, then it should be easy to show the rest of us using some actual evidence.
The so called intelligence community has been unable to find a single case where the methods revealed by Snowden has given any useful intelligence on US enemies.
And we are speaking about spying on the domestic population, there are no good reason why spying on American citizens or corporations would give the NSA any such intelligence.
All damaging material was documents about allies and leaking them slightly damaged those relationships, but they are still allies. And not enemies.
Uhm what? If you had some kind of argument or point you forgot to add it to your post.
Yes there is a reason he is hiding in Russia. It's the only place he can hide. That's a very good reason.
There are no strategy to beat them. They are quite useful. Politicians haven't had something this good to ride on since the hight of the cold war.
Now they can hide the huge unemployment with jobs in the intelligence community, the military and the military industrial complex.
Not to mention the billions they get to spend on developing and buying technology, hiding the fact that the computer and tech industry has a crisis.
PC sales are going down. American export are going down. Instead of fixing the problem, they panic and hide it.
Except that in Hitlers case they would have that choice about HIM. He would rather die than compromise, which he eventually did.
All types of insurance and extended warranties are scams.
As long as you don't blow the whistle on the gub'ment.
"They never snitch on themselves, but they want you to snitch on YOU"
-Immortal Technique
Actually the traitors by any definition are the ones who broke the law, spied on everyone way beyond their legal authority, lied to Congress, and provided false intelligence to start unnecessary wars and further their own agendas. The people whose activities Snowden exposed (or confirmed, for those with brains) are the ones who should be arrested, tried, and hopefully imprisoned or executed. Oh, and that includes the ones in Congress who were 'in the know' on this and said nothing.
No surprises here, it's a standard ploy to impress the herd. Example:
http://dailycaller.com/2015/10/18/brady-campaign-labels-nra-terrorists/
For those of you under 50 or so, 'terrorist' is the new 'communist'.
Gun grabbing liberals. I find their usage of the word liberal horrible. Voltaire must be rotating in his grave. Pun intended.
NRA are trying to argue against an enemy that excel in rhetorics and controls the education system. Good luck with that.
Start funding INDEPENDENT education and you may get somewhere.
Unfortunately, those effects have not been anywhare near enough. The tax-sponsored criminals are still doing evil things every day.
it stops dumb merkins asking why do we spend so much money on you spooks and your spying programs on us when you fail to stop major attacks unless it is all theatre?
That's why I think Snowden is a hero whereas Assange is just an ass.
Be fair, don't forget the a fair few judges. After all, doesn't NYC have a law stating that the police can stop and search you at any time for any reason without a warrant, and didn't a federal judge say it didn't break the 4th amendment? Still trying to figure out how that one was justified, the 4th amendment isn't one of those vaguely worded ones.
You can rest assured that the CIA/NSA/FBI have targeted Greenwald/The Intercept with massive misinformation campaigns as well as just plain harassment. Don't read the comments, they're intended to depress & demotivate.
I'm glad not to have mod points tonight because it means I can tell you that that was the most insightful comment I've read on /. ever
"Our opponent is an alien starship packed with atomic bombs," I said. "we have a protractor"
We can start by not letting it get that far.
I think of it all in terms of "insane asylum" rules and the "Lowest Common Denominator". Ideally you should keep the "asylum" population separate from the main population so that the rest of us can live normal lives. When those walls break down and those people flood the main population, the easy thing to do is apply the asylum rules to the main population. But the right thing to do is to keep that population under control, medicated, and/or separate from the main population.
Look at our schools. Where does zero-tolerance come from? It's the result of too many kids going to the regular public schools who should instead be in special mental facilities or alternative schools. If your kid is taking anti-depressants and is suicidal, they need to be somewhere else. If your kid is a thief or a gang member, they need to be somewhere else. The same thing is happening to us as adults. We have too many people among us who don't belong here, who want to kill us, or who are just plain crazy. They belong in a mental institution, their home country (in the case of illegal immigrants), or prison. When you have too many people like that in the main population, the rules shift to account for them, and "that's why we can't have nice things," like privacy.
When it comes to refugees from war torn areas like Syria, I think the threat is too great to accept them into the main population. It's worse than closing mental institutions. It's importing people directly from a country that fell to their own population of crazy people. We will fall as well, if we're not careful. Better to avoid the risk all together, and close up the borders (to all but the strictest form of immigration) until the world regains its sanity.
Illegal only because he didn't work for the govt. directly. Being a contractor means he is not protected by any whistle-blower laws. If he had done things any other way, we would have no proof and he would be in jail for life. We have proof and the NSA is still up to their crap.
Get the fuck out of my country and take your NSA masters with you, traitor.
What he's done is illegal, and he has been charged.
What he's done is NOT illegal. Congress is not the highest law in the land: the Bill of Rights is the highest law in the land.
Snowden's actions are protected under the Bill of Rights, specifically rights arising under the 9th Amendment (open-ended rights retained by the people), and the 10th Amendment (open-ended rights reserved to the people). The espionage laws passed by Congress do not supersede the Bill of Rights.
Long term oversight over government is a fundamental right, and hence protected. There are also times when it is appropriate to do this in the short term. It is always the case that reporting on illegal government activity is a protected right, independent of any laws Congress may have passed, or any precedents to the contrary. This includes activity that violates rights arising under the 9th and 10th Amendments, which means ANY rights the people might to assert.
Rights retained by the people, being retained by the people, can not be taken away by any entity of government, or any combination of such entities. No ruling by any court can change this.
If he has been charged, that is illegal conduct on the part of the government officials involved. It's also unethical practice of law on the part of any legal professionals involved. If he were to be arrested, that would be criminal kidnapping (and any police officers or federal agents thinking of doing that would be well advised to ponder the famous events that happened at a place called Nuremberg, and think about the implications of those events for a society with an open-ended Bill of Rights).
It is not within the authority of the government to grant it's minions either immunity or right to pardon in such cases: that too is a violation of rights arising under the 9th and 10th Amendments.
The problem Snowden is facing is that the US legal profession is in a position of ethical conflict of interest with respect to recognizing the authority of the 9th and 10th Amendments. This has been the case for a very long time, and has had long term influence on the legal system. As a result of that long-running conflict of interest, there are huge numbers of illegal laws and precedents currently within the US legal system. The US legal system is an enormous mess, a jungle of inconsistent and contradictory laws, many of which violate fundamental rights. This jungle provides cover that some elements in the government are trying to hide under, using a host of invalid laws and precedents to create the illusion that their actions are legitimate, instead of being illegal and even criminal.
It's an ugly situation, but not in any way unprecedented historically. The same combination of factors, after all, led to the continuation of slavery, and to the later creation and enforcement of segregation laws (the "Jim Crow" laws), both somehow happening in a nation founded to "protect the rights of man". Both of these, of course, had terrible long term costs (more people died as a result of the US Civil War than all the other ways the nation has fought, put together), and we are still paying today (with a whole host of problems associated with race tensions). For a society based on law, which is to say any modern society, the cost for failing to effectively deal with ethics problems in law is just staggering when one thinks about all the implications. Unfortunately, most of the public hasn't done the math.
Resisting an incoming dictator, particularly if that dictator has already amassed enough power to at least win an election, has historically been an easy way to end up getting labelled a traitor and an enemy of the state, by said dictator, or by his party, or by both.
In principle, a would-be dictator could be hindered through various "checks & balances", but such anachronisms have been undermined for the sake of expedience, pretty much ever since the Civil War...
Explain the NSA and their illegal, warrantless spying then.
It's only paranoia if it's not true. You're just too naive to understand that.
I don't think we need any gimmicky activity, all I'd like is recognition once a year that for a lot of people Snowden is a hero.
I just looked it up and his birthday is June 21. I'll have to try and remember to do something about it next year.
Without Wikileaks, which Julian Assange helped found and maintain despite various forms of illegal political and economic abuse, many people like Edward Snowden would have far less safety reporting abuse and criminal activity. Snowden is a hero, but he's a one-shot hero. He's very unlikely to have another opportunity to reveal such abuses. As much as I may detest Assange's personal habits, and especially his treatment of women, Wikileaks has earned its reputation for verifying stories, protecting sources like Edward Snowden, and publishing genuinely shocking material that deserves exposition. And it is an ongoing effort.
Assange is a flawed hero, but Wikileaks has been a heroic enterprise.
I've read the book, a lot of whining and dull thinking.
Instead of accepting reality and working to improve their processes.
Interesting article here: http://www.spiegel.de/internat...
(in English)
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
Trump voter moron.
Where do you get this crap from, Fox? They are refugees because of Assad not ISIS. ISIS are bad, Assad is worse. Not helping them is an action of craven snivelling cowardice.
Below the speed of light Special Relativity is one of the most accurate theories in physics - above the speed of light..
How is it possible that the CIA and other intelligence agencies have been watching ISIS closely and were unable to capture non-encrypted communications from these terrorists? Since they didn't use encryption or other "evil" technology to hide what they were doing this should have been easy for the CIA and others to intercept communications and connect the dots that they are planning an attack in Paris. This is just another failure by the US intelligence community who could have connected the dots and warned French officials. In the Boston Marathon bombings they received warnings from Russian intelligence on one of the brothers and this brother even called his mom back home talking about attacking the USA but this didn't raise a single eyebrow in the US intelligence community. Snowden's revelations and encryption had nothing to do with this attack. This is an attempt by the US to use this tragedy to gain an upper hand in the war on encryption and pass legislation that they otherwise would be unable to do. Just like the Patriot Act and many other acts were passed right after the 9/11 attacks that again US intelligence failed to connect the dots even though intelligence sources warned that Al Qaeda planned some attack involving hijacked airliners and flight instructors expressed concern over students from the middle east taking flight lessons. If they connected the dots they could have stopped 9/11 and the Boston Marathon Bombings as well.
Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else programmatically update it?
"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.
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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015
Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes
"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...
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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
60++ reputable sources say different:
64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
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32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015
Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.
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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007
http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.
APK
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"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015
Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me
... apk
Encryption or not, tying the hands of the intelligence services did some harm. The very things that are asked of intelligence services would only serve to help people avoid them.
For someone that aided and abetted a traitorous criminal, I'm not sure that Greenwald can explain this one away. They have yet to answer how intelligence agencies are supposed to work when they're supposed to give notice at the worst of times.
Events like Paris are enabled and amplified by the Snowden-caused damage caused to intelligence collecting agencies.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
You do understand that this stuff is classified. It can't just be released.
But what does that have anything to do with what I posted? Defeating strawmen makes you feel good or something?
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Coren22 IMPERSONATES RESPECTED MEMBERS OF THE SECURITY COMMUNITY http://slashdot.org/comments.p...
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"privilege escalation's a bad thing" - by Coren22 on Tuesday September 22, 2015
How else programmatically update it?
"requires elevation to write hosts" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday September 23, 2015
Hypocrite later admits it - hosts do vs. WFP/SFP not my ware. Users set it not programmatic impersonation. Security wares need it.
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"secretary at MalwareBytes took a look at his source code & said it looked all good" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015
Mr. Steven Burn of Malwarebytes
"yes I've seen the code & yes it is safe." FROM http://forum.hosts-file.net/vi...
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"we should avoid your crap it looks like malware." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Monday November 02, 2015 @03:52PM (#50850445)
60++ reputable sources say different:
64-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
+
32-bit model https://www.virustotal.com/en/...
&
Installer-> http://f.virscan.org/APKHostsF...
MalwareBytes' hpHosts Admin (MalwareBytes employee) hosts & recommends it -> http://hosts-file.net/?s=Downl...
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"MiTM... his software provides" - by Coren22 (1625475) on Wednesday November 18, 2015
Hardcoded favs users provide = REVERSE DNS verified & my ware filters 5,500++ false positives - security site hosts data = false positives filtered.
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"Apk doesn't think DNS servers are worth running & believes Microsoft Active Directory can run w/out DNS." - by Coren22 (1625475) on Tuesday October 27, 2015
Show us where I say it? Not illogic logic but where I say it. I say AD needs internal DNS far back as 2007
http://forums.tweaktown.com/wi...
See "To warn users who have ActiveDirectory/AD LAN-WAN setups to NOT use external DNS servers" there.
APK
P.S.=>
"modding you down for trolling in your signature" - by Dog-Cow (21281) on Wednesday November 25, 2015
Dog-Cow's (old acc't. no new sockpuppet from you) thoughts of your signatures about me
... apk
I believe you mean they wipe their ass with the U.S. Constitution every time they take a shit.