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Copyright Expires On Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf
HughPickens.com writes: Adolf Hitler's Nazi manifesto Mein Kampf was originally printed in 1925 — eight years before Hitler came to power. After Nazi Germany was defeated in 1945, the Allied forces handed the copyright to the book to the state of Bavaria who refused to allow the book to be reprinted to prevent incitement of hatred. Now BBC reports that under European copyright law, the rights of an author of a literary or artistic work runs for the life of the author and for 70 years after his death — in Hitler's case on 30 April 1945, when he shot himself in his bunker in Berlin, so for the first time in 70 years, Mein Kampf will be available to buy in Germany.
Authorizing the book's release into the public domain has been a tortuous process. In 2012 it was agreed, after much consultation between Bavarian authorities and representatives of Jewish and Roma communities, that a scholarly edition should be planned in an attempt to demystify the book. Munich's Institute of Contemporary History will publish the new edition with thousands of academic notes, will aim to show that Mein Kampf (My Struggle) is incoherent and badly written, rather than powerful or seductive. From the original book's 1,000 pages, the publisher has produced a two-volume book that is twice as long as the original, with 3,700 annotations. Christian Hartmann, one of the team of five historians who spent several years working on the academic edition, described his relief at being able to analyze the text, even if he felt in need of regularly airing his tiny Munich office in order to cope with the task. "It is a real feeling of triumph, to be able to pick over this rubbish and then to debunk it bit by bit."
Authorizing the book's release into the public domain has been a tortuous process. In 2012 it was agreed, after much consultation between Bavarian authorities and representatives of Jewish and Roma communities, that a scholarly edition should be planned in an attempt to demystify the book. Munich's Institute of Contemporary History will publish the new edition with thousands of academic notes, will aim to show that Mein Kampf (My Struggle) is incoherent and badly written, rather than powerful or seductive. From the original book's 1,000 pages, the publisher has produced a two-volume book that is twice as long as the original, with 3,700 annotations. Christian Hartmann, one of the team of five historians who spent several years working on the academic edition, described his relief at being able to analyze the text, even if he felt in need of regularly airing his tiny Munich office in order to cope with the task. "It is a real feeling of triumph, to be able to pick over this rubbish and then to debunk it bit by bit."
Good to see copyright expiring in real life. Meanwhile the Ann Franck Fonds sues whoever publishes the Diary, 70 years after her fate.
How much of a work can be included for the purposes of critique, and how much does this vary from nation to nation?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's ready for a certain someone to create a derivative work.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
If only we could apply this to other works too...
I'd love it if all copies of The Communist Manifesto came pre-Fisked. It would help people from getting confused their first year in college.
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Stumbled across a copy in a bookstore once.
Read a few paragraphs.
Wasn't impressed.
Why the fuzz over this old book?
The book has been available in almost all countries except Germany, it is available on Amazon in both German and English, and it is of course available on the Internet, e.g. on www.hitler.org. Anyone interested in Mein Kampf can read it for free or for a few dollars. It hasn't caused a neo-nazi uprise anywhere so far, and it won't even if it is published in Germany.
I don't get it.
Good maybe these Germans will be a little less butt hurt when I call them grammar Nazi's. It's like you call someone a Nazi and its an automatic ban for inciting hatred. Don't get your panties all in a bunch in you jack booted Germans.
Hey, Dice and HughPickens.com, what's with all the posts linking to "The Grauniad"?
It's more like an attempt to bury the book completely in the annotations so nobody wants to read it, including scholars. Which is probably the point of the exercise.
...to tell the world how non-racist he is just to be sure there won't be any doubts about his political stance? Wow, maximum stigma and political correctness.
"It is a real feeling of triumph, to be able to pick over this rubbish and then to debunk it bit by bit."
It was kind of a... triumph of the will.
Somewhat related: also the diary of Anne Frank is now in the public domain under the same rules, since she died about 2 months before Hitler. This is disputed by the Anne Frank Foundation, who claims that her father was co-author and that the work should thus remain under copyright for at least another 15 years. As a protest, the Dutch original text is now put online by several French politicians.
karma police: arrest this man, he talks in maths; he buzzes like a fridge, he's like a detuned radio. [radiohead]
This is about copyrights actually expiring thus "unlocking" the material from the equivalent of the Disney Vault (_citation_) so to speak; oh, if I only had a dollar for every person on Earth that does not know copyrights have an expiration date...
That being said, in still Pre-TPP Canada, our expiration date is "only" half a century after the entire remaining lifespan of the author, so in this (and in many, many others) Mein Kampf has been in the public domain for two decades, and I don't see a large National Socialist Canadian Worker's Party.
When the copyright term is "forever minus a day", live every day like it's the last.
http://www.history.com/shows/hunting-hitler
Very unlikely he died in 1945.
"After tracking Hitler's attempts to return to power through wealthy supporters in Argentina and Brazil, Bob Baer and Dr. John Cencich hit the ground in South America to tackle their biggest lead yet. An FBI report places Hitler in Colombia after unloading from a plane. Bob and John identify the marsh where they believe this plane was hidden, and gain unprecedented access to use state-of-the-art side-scan sonar to locate what could be the Nazi plane that shuttled Hitler to within 2,000 miles of the United States."
"Badly written and incoherent" covers it well enough. We had to read part of it in history class, Hitler just come off as whiny and delusional, though in hindsight his delusions of taking over Germany by lying to the German people in the exact way he promised to use in his book did pan out temporarily. Still hard to imagine anyone taking it serious or him after he wrote it, maybe no one read it? Note I read the Danish translation, maybe the translator wasn't Nazi friendly.
So, now that the anti-freedom of speech policies stemming from the fear have mystified the book, you're going to demystify it while holding your nose? Better call some help from Kabbala mystics and the holders of Gypsy magic. Who knows what kind of necromancing Nazi magic will rise from opening the book. Also, please note that the Der Untergang des Abendlandes is not about being conquered or destroyed, but changed from within voluntarily and willingly.
Copyrighted, of course.
I was thinking the opposite, just publish it. Our societies are more and more afraid of letting people make up their own minds (however much of a struggle that may be) without guidance and context which add their own, often hidden biases.
After reading that editor's comments, I half expect the book to be published with lots of crossings-out and big red scrawls saying, "WRONG!!! Do it again!!!! F minus".
I hope the added material will try to be measured and reasonable for a critical reader to accept and not just say "Hitler bad". Which he was.
I'd not heard of fisking before (outside file-systems) but I highly recommend Robert Fisk's "The Great War for Civilization".
If only we could apply this to other works too... I'd love it if all copies of The Communist Manifesto came pre-Fisked. It would help people from getting confused their first year in college.
Nothing helps freshmen from getting confused in their first year in college. Take away one source of confusion and plenty of others will take its place.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
Such a waste of time and effort can only be from a government contract.
It really is the perfect timing. Trump can have people "write" "My Kampf!" with his name on it, and make a fortune selling it to the dummies.
I don't respond to AC's.
Copyright is based on authorship. So, while the main text of Mein Kampf is in the public domain, this new two-volume work will legitimately claim a new copyright. The new copyright will come from all those notes, which were created through acts of authorship. Contrary to the other contemporary story of Otto Frank, editorship is sweat of the brow, while authorship is creativity (see https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki... , for example). Translation does qualify as authorship, since is an intellectual creative act. (Dunno about machine translation...)
In the US, public domain items often have a copyright claim due to a new preface, or introduction or even cover art. Check some of the "Penguin Classics" in your local bookstore for examples. For Mein Kampf, all that added content will create a mixed item, where extracting just the public domain content (minus notes and whatever else is new) will take some effort. Luckily, the public domain text is already widely available without the new notes.
As mentioned, copyright expiry based on life+70 has no bearing in the US for items published prior to 1978 (https://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Gutenberg:Copyright_How-To). Due to GATT, no copyright renewal was required after 28 years for items published outside of the US to get the full copyright term. The translations into English were not made until after the original German, of course. In the US, copyright will expire 95 years after publication based on the current USC Title 17 (which, as we know, TPP might force to change). But that's another story...
- gbn
If only we could apply this to other works too... I'd love it if all copies of The Communist Manifesto came pre-Fisked. It would help people from getting confused their first year in college.
That, and the Quran, Hadiths, Tafseers and Sira - the 'sacred' books of Islam. That is, take all these works, annotate them heavily w/ the critiques of Ali Sina, Srjda Trifkovic, Bat Yeor and others who have studied it from something other than a devotional approach, and then release it. Outlaw the original versions of Bukhari, Ibn Khatir, Ibn Ishaq, Jalalayn, Mawdidi and so on. It would help decontaminate the mind of today's Nazis i.e. non-agnostic Muslims.
Are you agreeing or disagreeing with GPP?
I agree - just publish it. If you're afraid that the population will be seduced by it, you have bigger problems than the book.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Disney's lawyers could have told them how to make their copyright last forever.
" the Allied forces handed the copyright to the book to the state of Bavaria "
There's your problem right away. They had no right to do that, the guy was never put on trial much less convicted and even if, getting his copyright stolen is not one of any punishments in Germany or any other country.
The Schicklgruber (Hitler's name before they changed it) family should have gotten the money instead.
Those whom s;peak out in a public forum are being moidded out.. /. what have you become :(
I saw another comment regarding outrage at the publication of this article in the wrong place.. it was modded to -1. Thus another sign of the ammount of stupidity, hyprocacy, and blatant censorship of the public concerns regarding subject matter..
You know who else wrote a book? Hilter!
"It is a real feeling of triumph, to be able to pick over this rubbish and then to debunk it bit by bit."
See I read statements like this and I begin to wonder just how poor a work it could really be. It should not be necessary to debunk "rubbish" bit by bit. A short but well evinced essay that knocks out key supports ought to be plenty to cause a book that is supposed to be badly written and not supported by the facts to be widely cast aside.
Usually when you get to the point of need to scrutinize every bit of a volume length work to assess its value its because it isn't so cut and dry that its so much rubbish.
I have never ready Mein Kampf, I don't know. I have always been told its a bunch of racist crap that was badly executed. I am sure that is true. Still when you have people debunking it bit by bit, you wonder if they doth protest to much.
The same for the Bible since there are many different versions, not to mention the Old and New Testaments or the many books the Vatican refuses to acknowledge as part of its history, such as the Gospel of Mary.
If one could get into the underground Vatican library and root around for one day, the amount of contradictory material and hidden treasures of Catholic doctrine being butchered would be very enlightening.
I know someone who's sister does translations of old Latin and has been to the library. According to her, if you don't know the exact title of the book or manuscript you are looking for, the librarians play dumb.
If you do give them the correct name, they get it for you. You are not allowed to go to the shelf/drawer/whatever to get it, presumably so you can't see what else they have hidden.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
If you're afraid that the population will be seduced by it, you have bigger problems than the book.
+5 Insightful . . . probably the most insightful thing that I have read on Slashdot in the last 20 years. Now if my mod points had not only slid down the cracks in my sofa tonight . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Nooooooo! Think of the children! What will happen when someone takes Mein Kampf and adds Mickey Mouse to it in order to make it more appealing to children - then we'll have a bunch of little Nazis running around. What is the wold coming to???
Oh, wait . . . the copyright on the original Mickey Mouse will never expire thanks to Sonny Bono and perpetual copyright extension. Nothing to see here - move along.
"Mein Kampf" was arguably a derivative work itself. There were a lot of others writing similar racialist pamphlets or books in the late 19th- and early 20th- centuries.
Such as Henry Ford. Much of Mein Kampf is plagiarized from a German translation of Ford's The International Jew.
Not to forget the sacred books of all other religions, too. People do tend to get confused by them and take fiction for reality.
>Outlaw the original versions
Outlawing books? What THE FUCK is wrong with you?
If one could get into the underground Vatican library and root around for one day, the amount of contradictory material and hidden treasures of Catholic doctrine being butchered would be very enlightening.
Just read the fucking bible, there's plenty of contradictory crap already in there. You can start with this list: http://infidels.org/library/modern/donald_morgan/inconsistencies.html (List contains more than just contradictions. )
Unless you're a German World War I veteran that feels pretty shitty about how the war went, you probably won't get inspired by the book.
Why should people fear some jews wrath about a book publication?
Meybe we should be outraged about some tora publication? Or some book about collected works of some iraeali minister or rabbai?
This is the only example, to my knowledge, of a copyright expiring during my lifetime.
What I find truly odd about the case, is why anyone would uphold as legitimate a copyright registered under the legal authority of Nazi Germany.
Now his and Eva's ashes and bone fragments won't be able to collect any more royalties.
Fuck off.
Fuck off, coward.
Holocaust denial modded up to +3. Seems like we've got a rash of neo-nazis with mod points.
Sadly I have none, but please someone mod parent down.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You don't understand faith. ... it will be easier to willfully look the other way and propagate the lie than look back and admit one's mistakes and taking responsibility for them.
It's blind belief in something. Meaning that, if their faith is "true" then no matter what you say will sway them. And after committing crimes in that faith's name
Exactly!
There is no need for academic notes, simply reading it will clarify that it's "incoherent and badly written".
The only vague reference to a copyright topic in the summary (and the Guardian article) is
Authorizing the book's release into the public domain has been a tortuous process.
which is of course complete rubbish. The copyright ended according to law on New Years Eve and the book was thus automatically released into the Public Domain. No process needed for that nor was it tortuous. The commented edition which was written by German scholars during the last years (and had to overcome some political problems) is a completely different topic and has nothing to do with the original book now being Public Domain.
So what does this have to do with copyright (except maybe showing that copyright outside the US can still work)?
I agree - just publish it. If you're afraid that the population will be seduced by it, you have bigger problems than the book.
Better still, every book sold could have a percent of the proceeds donated to a Jewish charity. It wouldn't be the first time. I borrowed the idea from a January 1939 newspaper article
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
and the T-Potty
What a really clever retort. I'd have to say that the problem of edumacation extends well beyond your targets. You ever thought about reading a book or something?
I'd love it if all copies of The Communist Manifesto came pre-Fisked
As would I with APK posts. In fact, I feel so strongly about it that I opened a page on my wiki to collaboratively Fisk APK's claims about hosts.
Would it be better to try for an automatic first post by linking to Tech2?
It is a real feeling of triumph, to be able to pick over this rubbish and then to debunk it bit by bit.
It really sounds like their is nothing scholarly about the edition. More like the Mocking Hitler Edition. Coupled with the original text, which judging by its title, this has to be the most vainglorious and conceited book ever written.
But seriously, we cannot just release a book with undoubtable historical significance. Because, it was written by the losing side in one of the most recent wars we have to deface it first?
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
When can we end this insanity that is copyright? How does anyone think it is a good idea to allow copyright to be used to totally prevent and suspress the use of intellectual property?
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
If you're afraid that the population will be seduced by it, you have bigger problems than the book.
Was there any doubt?
That's why governments are afraid of publishing the book: because the population, by large, is borderline retarded, not from an IQ perspective, but from a "bar height" perspective. Meaning most people would fail the rule called "don't readily believe any shit that's thrown your way".
Note: I don't agree with keeping the book under wraps, but I understand why that was desired.
...gis sdrawkcab (usually not responding to ACs; don't bother posting as AC)
The ally imposed a series of drastic law aiming at censoring nazism the idea of them was to avoid resurgence , thus there is strict restriction on showing nazi symbol in germany, which is why among other wolfenstein new order was censored, and south park too. Those law were never revoked.
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Like I suggested, it would be on the same grounds as Mein Kamph. The books I mentioned have a geopolitical agenda not too different from this one. Mr allah's rasool was not too different from der Fuhrer
See, freedom isn't free. A lot of Captain Freedom types forget this, but the ideal of free speech doesn't exist because speech is harmless. It's simply a compromise - the oppression of dangerous speech is considered more harmful than the speech itself.
Populations can be and have been seduced by this kind of material. In fact we are talking about a book that is quite famous for doing just that.
If you truely believe in the principle of free speech you need to engage with this fact honestly and say "I am comfortable with the danger". Others (especially minorities) might take a different view.
Besides which, the original OP's accidental joke about 'editorial staph' was really good.
In that case Mein Kampf would be look on in the same vein as 'To Kill a Mockingbird' by all right thinking academics. Also all the /. posters would be loudly praising the great leader, while they spewed their hatred at all blacks and Jews with the same amount of hatred that they use for against Donald Trump and Glen Beck today. My point is that people are all the fucking same. Jews and Nazis are no different. Both are supremely aware of their own superiority. Just be thankful you are living today at this very moment in time, so that you can have the totally correct view of what is good and evil. If you were living just a few years earlier or latter, you would be totally wrong and either be a racists or a misogynist or something equally bad.
Hitler was evil because he lost the war. If he had won everyone would be saying he was God's gift to man. Thank God the right side won and the Bad guys lost. However the good guys always win and they get to write the history.
Since everything that is withheld from the public is interesting per se, I of course did read "Mein Kampf" (in its original book form). It's such a boring disappointment in every way, poorly written, lots of contradictions in itself, the kind of weird writing you'd expect from a political extremist with mental issues.
The only interesting (and saddening) thing about "Mein Kampf" is how much it is mystified by the governments attempts to keep it away from the public. It should have been one of the original sources you read in school - along with Mao's red book and alike. After all, it's better to know for people what kind of writing to expect from people who later become mass murderers.
... moon, planning his return using Reichsflugscheiben, right? It's funny how people cannot accept mundane occurences of death whenever celebrities are involved.
Like I suggested, it would be on the same grounds as Mein Kamph.
And it would be just as bad of an idea.
Outlawing books is always the wrong answer. Always.
See, freedom isn't free. A lot of Captain Freedom types forget this, but the ideal of free speech doesn't exist because speech is harmless. It's simply a compromise - the oppression of dangerous speech is considered more harmful than the speech itself.
Populations can be and have been seduced by this kind of material. In fact we are talking about a book that is quite famous for doing just that.
If you truely believe in the principle of free speech you need to engage with this fact honestly and say "I am comfortable with the danger". Others (especially minorities) might take a different view.
It was war reparations and the collapse of the German economy in 1931 and then the Great Depression that led to WW2, not a book, and especially not this book.
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Hence the continued popularity of Che t-shirts.
Where do you live that the book is not published? I have an English translation and a copy in its original plastic shrinkwrap from some Soviet Union print shop. I have skimmed parts of the former and, obviously, never opened the latter. I bought it from a collector friend and got a copy of Anna Karenina in the same style of wrapping from him at the same time - though, oddly, I think that one is in German - it's two books and both are wrapped in much the same as the first and in very good condition though the plastic is aged and a bit worn.
Oh, I live in the US. I can get books like that if I want. It's not actually an issue with the government or anything. I don't even imagine that my owning it has put me on any watch lists or anything. Hell, I've even had security clearance with that same government. Whilst there were a bunch of invasive questions on that form, I don't recall them asking if I'd read or owned a copy of the book. At the time, however, I'd have been able to truthfully answer in the negative.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
The parallels are perfect. I know you were modded down since /. is full of the hate America first crowd, but you basically got it right. The only thing I'd correct is drop the qualifier 'Radical' in front of Islam. A lot of stuff in Mein Kamph is there in the Quran and Sunnah, and those are the sacred books of Islam as a whole. In other words, there is no 'moderate Islam' that is even SILENT on Islam's geopolitical goals - let alone explicitly disowning it. And how CAN there be, when their founder Mohammed lived a live very similar to ISIL Jihadis of today
There's a small, but reasonable, argument to be made specifically in regards to this book. Hitler authored (perhaps - there's some credence to the theory that he was not exclusively the author) this book whilst he sat in prison. Well, it was sort of a prison. He had things like guests and quite a bit of freedom but we'll ignore that for now.
Here's the important part:
This book sold like hotcakes. In fact, it made him (and thus the Party) quite a bit of money. This money enabled him to do many things, during his ascent to power. This book also gave him additional fame - fame he might not have had without this book. This book was a significant part of his rise to power, as a contributing factor.
Two reasonable conclusions to make:
This does not, by any means, suggest that I'm advocating censorship of this material - surely you would not think so poorly of me, I hope.
There's some chance, however small, that things might not have gone quite the same way had Hitler never published this book.
Those are the only conclusions that I'm willing to draw. Anything else is speculation and I am not a qualified historian. It is true, however, that the party was kind of well funded prior to this book's publication but Hitler, himself, was not - he also really wasn't that famous outside of his circle until after this book's publication. The book was quit a hit and generated a lot of money for both the publishing house(s) and Hitler.
It's not entirely erroneous to speculate that things may have been different without the *publication* of Mein Kampf. As I think you were saying, it is entirely incorrect to speculate that the *material* in the book was even a major contributing factor to the war. On that we agree. in fact, we mostly agree already - I am pretty sure I'm mostly just adding to what you said.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
You want to outlaw books of a certain nature? While I don't normally entirely agree with you - I don't normally completely disagree with you.
This is a first. I'm sure I needn't write a novella as to why. If I have to then, well, that's a second time. Go home unixisc, you're drunk.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
For amusement, you should read "Another Roadside Attraction" by Tom Robbins.
"So long and thanks for all the fish."
A couple of reasons. One is that the people who do are mainly non-White, even though Muslims are not a race and have an even mix of South East Asians, Semites - Arabs, Mongoloids - Turks and Indo-Europeans - Farsis and South Asians, and blacks - North African Bedouin, Taureg and Barbers. So despite the fact that Muslims have as much issues w/ Infidels of similar races - Christian & Buddhist Indonesians and Malaysians, Buddhist and Hindu Bangladeshis, Hindu Indians, Christian, Hindu and Sikh Pakistanis, Christian, Jewish, Zoroastrian and Baha'i Iranians, Copts, Maronites, Assyrians, Barber Christians and so on, to people in the West, such a face-off looks like a racial divide, even if it is not.
Then there is the other aspect of Islam being a recognized religion, and thereby getting the same deference as other religions, such as Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, et al. Totally glossing over the fact that while there are no geopolitical components to the Bible, Torah or other such literature, there very much is in the Quran and Sunnah.
The end result is that on the Left, you have people who want to appease Muslims b'cos they are non-Whites, while on the Right, you have people who want to appease Muslims b'cos they are devoted theists and thereby presumably allies of Christians in the political war against Leftist Atheism.
Except that from what I know, Indians do not have geopolitical designs on the rest of the world. They're even opposed to getting back Pakistan & Bangladesh, since their Muslim problem would then be bigger & stronger than ever before.
Since we're talking India here, why would teaching kids 'Mein Kamph' be preferable to teaching them what's in the Ramayan or the Mahabharat?
I have never met Nazi sympathizers among US Indians. Where should I look?
Like Debbie Schlussel once said, it's high time Jews and others focus less on the Nazis of yesterday, and more on the Nazis of today - the Jihadis.
He allegedly died in Argentina. It's funny how people automatically assume they're dealing with the craziest possible arguments whenever someone says something that does not fit the established story.
Specifically, I suggest reading The Long Shadow: The Legacies of the Great War in the Twentieth Century for a detailed background of everything that caused both WW2, plus the strife in the middle-east, eastern europe, and other hot spots that were a result of WW1 and post-WW1 policies.
Well, we do have bigger problems than just the book. With people graduating high school unable to read, it's obvious that many more are intellectually disarmed. There are those who will read hate-filled books and be carried along with the message. The failure to get an opposing viewpoint is part of why we're having so much trouble with murderous Muslims today. We don't need more crazies.
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SHITler, still upset that your side lost WW2?
You are so single-minded it's hilarious, yet bordering on worrying. What happened to you? Can a society be that broken that people like you are wilfully released onto the streets? You are getting confused by some very simple terms, and keep on making some rather entertaining spelling mistakes time and time again. Why anyone should listen to your childish hate is beyond me, especially when neither facts nor even spelling agree with you.
GP here (Slashdot sucks, says I'm logged in but has me post as AC): I don't care about the book, I saw it in some shop so it's available in my country. Just saying that some governments don't allow it because their population is dumb enough to be influenced (or so they think).
They didn't get the memo? National Socialism did not exactly perish after publication of "Mein Kampf". It may be incoherent and badly written, but that does not mean that it wasn't powerful or seductive. They are deluding themselves if they think they defuse this kind of crap by pointing out its intellectual shortcomings.
I mean, look at how Trump fares in the primaries. Incidentally, he kept (still keeps?) a copy of Hitler's speeches at his bedstand.
I always meant to seek out an english translation and read it. You know, being one of the most famous books in all of history, feels like I should be familiar with more than its title. I mean fuck, I read Uncle Tom's Cabin and I can't imagine Hitler is half as terrible of an author; then again, maybe he is worst.
I always hated how Stowe would stop the narrative to directly talk down to the reader. "The negro is, not by his nature, violent" still stands out 20 years later. I could almost see Hitler being worst about that.
"I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
I rather suspect you don't know Che's story, just it's conclusion.
Che is living proof of the concept that some heroes live to see themselves become villains.
The things Che fought against are the same things we see and fight against now: the rich and powerful abusing the weak and poor, the inequality, the trampling of right, or just flat denial of them. The history of Latin America long and sordid, and it was only natural that it would give rise to people like Che, to resistance movements that would seek to fight back out of desperation.
The US and USSR bear much blame for the twisting of these movements, as they sought to use them as proxies against each other. What would have otherwise played itself out was then extended and resupplied. In the end, Che loses his humanity. He abandons the why of his fight, and only retains the fight. He becomes an uncaring callous killer.
The story is tragic in its way. But fascinating in its own way, as much of history Is far stranger than fiction, and far more entertaining. Plus, being actual events and people, it gives a better insight into people and events. Latin and Central America are our own Middle East, yet we ignore it other than to yell about needing a wall. But we've been meddling there for as long as we've been meddling in the sandbox of Asia. And in some ways with even worse results for the people.
So you can vilify Che all you want.
He more than earned it.
But you also should seek to understand how he fell and became a villain in the first place, how he was created from a man who originally sought freedom and the wellbeing of his people. Only then will you truly begin to understand the region's history.
I am not comfortable with danger, which is why I'm trying to minimize it. And that means not giving the next Hitler wannabe a fully functional censorship machine to silence any opposition with.
They're free to do so, but in the light of the entire human history that makes them either idiots or Hitler wannabes.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
There's always the problem of impressionable youth being ... well ... a little too impressed by the book. Approaching it with some context might be a good thing. On the other hand, having no way to see how the banality of evil and the nonsense that would so beguile a nation, a major insight into the mind relegated to a footnote, this would be also be tragic in it's burying.
It always seems the fact of oublie is sometimes not a good thing.
As long as they come out of college with tens of thousands of dollars of debt they'll likely be stuck with their whole life they're going to be "confused" by a system which promises free education.
As long as you have social classes the cycle of the topmost class looting those below it until they go too far and cause a social or economic collapse is going to repeat itself. Banning books won't change that. The idea of a better world is inherent in an imperfect one.
But I suppose we could call it "Capitalism 2.0", if it helps.
Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.
I don't know that the scale is necessarily smaller. Sure, Turkey is flexing its muscles vis a vis the Kurds, and enabling people to join ISIS. THAT part is smaller.
But today's Turkey is no longer the Turkey of Kemal, that desperately wanted to re-invent itself as a part of Europe. Part of that fault is Europe's for insisting that Turkey be as democratic as European countries are. Problem w/ that is that the Turkish people are NOT the pluralistic type who tolerate national criticism. For instance, look at their insistence on the denial of the Armenian holocaust. That would have been universally acknowledged as a holocaust had people in the West not been fearful of Turkey taking umbrage. But an 'European' Turkey would have owned up to the holocaust and done what it could to ensure that it never happened again. Also, a European Turkey would have been a pluralistic Turkey, and religious freedom to be not just Muslims, but Christians or other religions as well would also have been there. There wouldn't have been any persecution of either Armenians or Kurds. Problem is that while trying to replace Islamic pride w/ Turkish pride, no attempt was made at a Turkish equivalent of an enlightenment & reformation that would have made Turkey more compatible w/ Europe.
As a result, the European insistence, while resulting in the Turkish army's hold on the country weakening, also resulted in enabling Islamic forces like Erdogan's, who are NOT interested in a future in Europe. Rather, they are interested in reviving Turkey's glorious Islamic past - under both the Seljuq and Ottoman empires. They are rediscovering their Turkic roots and trying to extend their influence to the ex Soviet stans - 5 of which are ethnically Turkic. On the Islamic side - after all, the Ottoman empire was the last caliphate - they are doing what they can to rally Sunni forces around them, and being smack dab next to ISIS in Syria, that is made easier.
So in terms of Syria, what Turkey is doing is a much smaller scale. But if Turkey manages to rally the Sunni world around it, it will be a succession to the last time they did that - under the Ottomans.
I agree - just publish it. If you're afraid that the population will be seduced by it, you have bigger problems than the book.
Ah, but the government wants a populace that will believe any amount of authoritarian self-centric chauvinist crap. They are working hard for it and don't want some dead Hitler reaping the rewards.
I know you'd disagree, but 'Muslims' would be correct. Not all, or even most, of the Jihadi activity that has happened has been Arab. The San Bernardino massacre was done by a Pakistani couple - those people are wannabe Arabs. The Tsarnaev brothers were Chechens - who are Circussian Muslims. While Paris was done by, among others, a Syrian refugee and the Chattanooga by a Kuwaiti, there have been Bosnians (at the Salt Lake mall some years ago), Albanians (at Ft Dix), Iranian (at UNC Chapel Hill) and other Jihadi attacks done by Muslims, but not Arabs. ISIS has been getting support not just from Sunni Arabs - as too many in the West think - but from Sunnis worldwide - Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, the Stans, Libya, as well as Muslim populations in the West. Not to mention people they convert online.
'Radical' is a redundant adjective, given that there is no such thing as 'moderate Islam' that is even silent on Jihad, let alone explicitly condemning and disowning the concept. Only thing I'd agree - this disease is by no means restricted to Liberals. Too many Conservatives - in fact a whole range of Conservatives - are as much in bed w/ the Jihadis as are Liberals. That can easily be gathered from the general Republican establishment reaction to comments on Muslims by both Trump (on banning their entry) and Carson (on not supporting a Muslim for president). Those guys who are equivocal on illegal immigration suddenly get unhinged when anything negative is said about Muslims.
The failure to get an opposing viewpoint is part of why we're having so much trouble with murderous Muslims today.
The majority of Muslims are against murder, same as the majority of Christians. If we're going to hate on all muslims because of the acts of a small minority, then we should also hate on all christians because of the acts of a small minority. Do you really want to go down that road?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Apk did a good job validly technically disproving DK and amijos points and they're unable to validly disprove his list posted there same as on slashdot for years here and the trolls showed up as usual with trolling in the post on "unicorn attacks". It's no small wonder apk's made such headway on posts against clearly inferior inefficient browser addons, and even dns and routers.
There is no such thing as "holocaust denial" - only holocaust skepticism.
The question is not whether it happened, but whether it happened the way we were told (6 million jews gassed to death in concentration camps - which is completely ridiculous).
There has never been any proof of the official version of events - but plenty to the contrary.
"it's high time Jews and others focus less on the Nazis of yesterday, and more on the Nazis of today - the Jihadis."
It's high time Jews and others focus less on the Nazis of yesterday, and more on the Nazis of today - the Zionists.
FTFY.
Or does anybody else feel that all copyrights, trademarks, etc. should expire the moment that person starts ordering the mass execution of people?
It was a lot more complicated than that (most things are). Germany was in a bad way, but there were other ways it could have gone. Hitler played a very large role in going from that situation into aggressive war. Mein Kampf wasn't that important as a book, but it's one thing you can read to try to understand Hitler.
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
I can never remember what directory mein.conf is located in.
Why just a Jewish charity? Many other groups were targeted by the Nazis and plenty others were impacted by their actions.
You know what I find really weird? 364 comments and NO mention of Godwin's Law. Oh well, someone has t do it!
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
I somewhat recall seeing Hitler's book at my aunt's house as a kid (in Canada). Perhaps it was annotated version. Was it illegal to print only in Germany, of it could have been sold elsewhere in the world legally?
Donald Trump has his total party platform free of charge.
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
I guess there's some things to be said about Jews and reaping economical benefits from the sufferings of their fellow man, be it their ancestors or others, and about confirming various kinds of prejudices, but I presume those would hardly be politically correct.
however much of a struggle that may be
I see what you did there.
To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
Do you? Have you read it? I have, and I can tell you, it's just the fact that it was written by Hitler which makes it feared by the politicians of our time, because it's a total pain to read. Not even most of even the most devoted Nazis of their time managed to get through it. It was one of those books everyone was supposed to have, but nobody read.
In fact this fussing over it is totally contra productive, as it makes it out as something controversial, forbidden and interesting. It's not. It's not particularly controversial compared to many other books, none of which are fussed over to nearly the same extent, it's the ramblings of a bitter post card artist, who is caught up in a mix of dreams of the past and the spirit of his time on overdrive. It's not like eugenics, pogroms, world domination and fixation on race ever was uniquely the domain of Nazism, even if we very much want to think so today, or at least the people in charge of writing our history wants us to.
... release of 'Mein Kampf mit dem Zombies'
In the end Che was just a serial killer. He set off on that road to madness and was enabled by powerful outside forces. There are plenty of other homicidal maniacs out there. But college freshmen in the US don't generally wear Noriega, Saddam Hussein, Pol Pot, or Idi Amin tee-shirts.