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Why I'm a Defender of YouTube (vortex.com)

Lauren Weinstein writes: In a time of fascist politicians spouting simplistic slogans about race, religion, terrorism, and censorship, along with whatever other pandering platitudes they believe will win them votes, prestige, power, and control — it's worth remembering how much good the Internet brings us, and how much poorer we'd all be in so many ways for the shackling of Internet services like YouTube, in the name of such self-serving proclamations and damaging false solutions.

138 comments

  1. Who cares? by Threni · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sorry, who are you? YouTube is the successful product of a wealthy and powerful company. It doesn't need defending.

    1. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Odds are they are a pedantic narcissist. After all, who writes In a time of fascist politicians spouting simplistic slogans about race, religion, terrorism, and censorship, along with whatever other pandering platitudes they believe will win them votes, prestige, power, and control unless they feel they are somehow above it all and better than the rest and therefore in a position to judge?

    2. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      Lauren Weinstein appears to be a wackjob, from the looks of his twitter feed.

    3. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. YouTube can stand by while copyright trolls commit perjury on a continual basis to censor videos all they like and never once have to lift a finger in defense of this contribution to illegal activity.

      I don't recall one single AG or DA even considering the possibility of upholding the DMCA's provisions against perjury that are being perpetrated literally thousands of times a day via YouTube on unsuspecting innocent content providers.

    4. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ye gads. Just looking at his feed reminds me of why I quit Facebook in the 2012 election year.

    5. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...forest for the trees type.

    6. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For reals though, it's hardly difficult to not be a fascist politician -- and it's quite clear that he's talking about Donald Trump.

    7. Re:Who cares? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      At least he makes a case for freedom. I just hope it doesn't infer exceptions for criticism of his own political views. There's been plenty of that on youtube. Groups who can't handle criticism abuse the fuck out of the tos.

    8. Re:Who cares? by bobwyman · · Score: 2

      Lauren has been on the Internet longer than most of you have been alive. I've been following him since about 1980 or so, but he's been on the net longer than just about anyone. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Lauren: Thanks for your posting.

    9. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for confirming that NetKooks have been around as long as the Net!

    10. Re:Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone judges and everyone is entitled to. If you say otherwise, you are a fucking liar and a hypocrite.

  2. Slashdotted by NotInHere · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Interesting that this still happens...

    1. Re:Slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      youtube got slashdoted? wholly shit!

    2. Re:Slashdotted by NotInHere · · Score: 1

      The only link in TFS doesn't point to youtube. And it did appear to load very slowly when I wrote that post, my other internet was fine.

  3. But there IS a problem by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Youtube's biggest problem isn't really the struggle that the article presents, it's that it's a monolithic entity that can be censored or manipulated by the nation-state, even if that state is limited to blocking. It's also subject to the whims of the corporation that owns it, as was demonstrated very poignantly by the integration of a social networking site and the adjustment of the way that usernames and the comments system function.

    Granted, Youtube is not the sole video site on the Internet for personal content, and sometimes the huge amount of content that is acceptable to a nation-state makes it hard for them to justify blocking the whole site just to get a little bit of unacceptable content, but when one site emerges as the de facto default it becomes more likely that users don't even consider other sites or other options. Usually a competitive system is a healthy system, and this lack of competition threatens the health as it leaves the concept threatened to unilateral manipulation despite the interests of the users.

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    1. Re:But there IS a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      YOUTUBE f.....g sucks! A service that relies on delation to block content is nothing but a Nazi stooge! As a Jewish woman I am sure you will understand... Any of the other video services are better Vimeo, DailyMotion, RUtube and others.

    2. Re:But there IS a problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go to vimeo then. Sheesh.

    3. Re:But there IS a problem by lord_rob+the+only+on · · Score: 1

      or Youpr0n :p

  4. Its a COLLECTION not a CREATION at least for news by Yew2 · · Score: 2

    I replied to one of these "YouTube is not a news source" groupie for HRC and it really dawned on me how important the collection, aggregation and the ability to compare and contrast news stories is - really critical if one wants to be well informed at a time when bias and outright lies are being propagated throughout the media.

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  5. Fascist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Newspeak for 'people I don't agree with'.

    1. Re:Fascist by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Newspeak

      This "article" is not even news . . . it's a rant in a blog.

      A new low point for Slashdot.

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    2. Re: Fascist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It's not Bennett though...

    3. Re: Fascist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nor FartsWithABang...

    4. Re:Fascist by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      Newspeak

      This "article" is not even news . . . it's a rant in a blog.

      A new low point for Slashdot.

      You must be new here.

    5. Re:Fascist by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      A new low point for Slashdot.

      Wow people really have no recollection of the past.

      Articles like this have always come through every so often. Not especially frequently, but not never. To claim it's a "new low" is just an ignorant (literally---ignorance of slashdot's past) cheap shot.

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    6. Re:Fascist by stealth_finger · · Score: 1

      Newspeak

      This "article" is not even news . . . it's a rant in a blog.

      A new low point for Slashdot.

      Newspeak is new speak not news peak.

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  6. BFD by Cornwallis · · Score: 2

    "In a time of fascist politicians spouting simplistic slogans about race, religion, terrorism, and censorship, along with whatever other pandering platitudes they believe will win them votes, prestige, power, and control..."

    Which is to say *all* politicians.

  7. Huh? by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Who are you?
    What on earth are you talking about?
    Why do you write a sentence instead of a summary?
    Why the hell is that sentence so long and so difficult to read?

    Even if I was interested in what you had to say, I don't know why or what you're on about. But any inkling I may have had to click that link has disappeared due to fear that I will have to spend 10 minutes attempting to understand what each poorly constructed sentence actually means.

    1. Re:Huh? by PPH · · Score: 1

      Why the hell is that sentence so long and so difficult to read?

      72 words, one sentence. All I can say is, "Yes, dear."

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    2. Re:Huh? by ilctoh · · Score: 2

      Hopefully Bennett Hasselton will add his insight and clarification promptly.

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  8. Did I miss something? by Bartles · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only time in memory that I can think of a fascist action against youtube or a youtube poster, was after the Benghazi embassy was attacked, and some guy was arrested and imprisoned for posting a video critical of Islam. I'm sure that's not the kind of Fascism that TIMMMAAAY! or Ms. Weinstein had in mind, as I'm sure they are both Obama, and Clinton supporters. They should really re-evaluate their political inclinations. Nice straw man, though.

  9. What?! by CrashNBrn · · Score: 3, Insightful
    So I was trying to figure this out, I think I got about half-way...

    In a time of fascist politicians spouting simplistic slogans about race, religion, terrorism, and censorship, along with whatever other pandering platitudes they believe will win them votes, prestige, power, and control — it's worth remembering how much good the Internet brings us, and how much poorer we'd all be in so many ways for the shackling of Internet services like YouTube, in the name of such self-serving proclamations and damaging false solutions.

    So there are bad politicians trying to gather power. And because of that bad thing, it is somehow worth remembering that the internet is good. Furthermore without that good we would be very poor somehow in many ways without the "shackling of Internet services" ... uh what? "in the name of such self-serving proclamations..." - oh wait the politicians are self-serving and youtube has damaging false solutions? No...

    Yeah so, can anyone turn that run on sentence into an actual coherent thought?

    1. Re:What?! by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      Remove the last comma?

    2. Re:What?! by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      It makes you wonder how we ever survived the disagreeable politicians of the past (McCarthy, etc.) without the help of YouTube.

      Is this person serious?

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  10. I stomp on dogs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dogs bark and bite. They are annoying and dangerous. That's why I stomp on them. When I see a dog I stomp on it. When I see more than one dog I stomp on all of them. It's what I do. I stomp on dogs. Stomp stomp stomp.

    1. Re: I stomp on dogs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Marry me you beautiful bastard

  11. Media bias and misrepresentations by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One thing has struck me recently, which is that YouTube allows us to catch out misrepresentations and media bias.

    In previous years, we would *only* have the media interpretations of current events. My parents, for instance, would read the newspaper article about some incident or other, and have no way to judge whether the opinions and position were in any way correct.

    Nowadays we can easily dig down to the source, and verify what we are told.

    As an example that everyone knows about, we can look to some of the things said about Trump:

    • The New York Times: “Trump’s claim that illegal Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.”
    • Time Magazine: “Trump’s comment that Mexican immigrants are ‘rapists.’”
    • Associated Press: “Trump called Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals”
    • CBS News: “Trump defends calling Mexican immigrants ‘rapists.’”
    • L.A. Times: “describing Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
    • Fortune: “in a speech branding Mexican immigrants as criminals and rapists.”
    • Hollywood Reporter: “he referred to Mexican immigrants as ‘rapists.’”
    • Huffington Post: “He called Latino immigrants ‘criminals’ and ‘rapists.’”
    • The Washington Post: “He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.”

    What he actually said:

    They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

    An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion.

    This was taken so completely out of context that WaPo rephrased it as "He referred to Mexicans as “rapists.", with the implication that he insulted the entire population of another country, and a fair portion of our own citizens.

    It's highly interesting to me that, as individuals, we now have the ability to find the evidence and come to our own conclusions, rather than blindly listen to the pronouncements of the elite.

    And a little bit, I think that's why Trump's supporters are so immovable. When the MSM cries "but he's a *racist*!", most of the people who were at the rally think "he didn't actually say that".

    It's definitely interesting the effect that YouTube has had on the political landscape.

    1. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Informative

      My parents, for instance, would read the newspaper article about some incident or other, and have no way to judge whether the opinions and position were in any way correct

      Your a bit young so I guess I should point out that in my parent's day, you simply wouldn't have opinion in newspaper articles. You would have statements by people related to the stories and the who, what, were, why, and when facts and the statements were clearly marks as somebody said something. That is old School Jounalism. The opinions were saved for the op-ed pages which everyone knew was not news but opinions and editorials. I recently saw someone citing an op-ed page as if it was reported fact when it was just someone's opinion so I guess no one can tell the difference any more.

    2. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by rossz · · Score: 2

      I've found that the moment you try to correct one of these stories attributing a false statement to candidate-x, you are immediately labelled as candidate-x fan-boy. And it goes down hill from there.

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    3. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've found that the moment you try to correct one of these stories attributing a false statement to candidate-x, you are immediately labelled as candidate-x fan-boy. And it goes down hill from there.

      To be fair, I *am* a Trump fan.

      For the past decade or so we (ie - Slashdot readership) have lamented the high-level of corruption in politics, and have identified the root cause as campaign contributions in return for political favours(*). A games-theory analysis shows that any normal political candidate will end up catering to the wishes of corporate interests in order to get elected.

      As an example, consider [then] Senator Obama's flip flop on telecom immunity six months before the election, and for which he received generous campaign contributions that allowed him to win the presidency.

      We've often wished for a candidate who can avoid the soul-selling and do things in the interests of the people. In this election, we have two: Trump and Sanders.

      I'm a fan of both. Having a Trump/Sanders election would be the best thing for this nation, and serve as a wakeup call to the elites.

      The people are tired of corruption in politics, and want something in return for their votes.

      (*) I'm referring to American politics, but it probably applies in other places, such as Canada, the UK, and Australia.

    4. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by alexhs · · Score: 1, Insightful

      What he actually said:

      They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

      An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion.

      That's plain wrong and apologetic. A more accurate representation of what he said would be "some illegal immigrants might not be criminals". He only "assumes" that some are not criminals, but states as a fact that "by default" they ARE criminal (clearer with more context, like "they’re not sending their best"). It's a run-of-the-mill weasel word technique, which won't impress any seasoned journalist.

      Yet I would agree with you that the WaPo title is awful, as is he's clearly talking about Mexican immigrants, not Mexican people in general.

      And the whole idea of a country "sending" its problematic people across the border is stupid anyway. Poorest people that have nothing to lose leave the country in the hope of a better life across the border, of course if they were the brightest they wouldn't have a reason to leave (especially illegally), but that doesn't mean they're criminal by default.

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    5. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by tsqr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Your a bit young so I guess I should point out that in my parent's day, you simply wouldn't have opinion in newspaper articles.

      Newspapers have been full of biased reporting and sensationalism since long before your parents were born. The term "yellow journalism" was coined about 125 years ago.

    6. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority are illegal immigrants, which makes them defacto "criminals" right off the bat. So yeah, it would be correct to assume that by default, most are criminals.

    7. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Donald Trump has been the one buying the politicians over the past 25-30 years. What makes you so sure he is immune to the influence of money? Because he told you so?

    8. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals",

      Oh, I don't think so. Media has been misquoting and misrepresenting everyohne, Trump included, but I think you chose a wrong example.
      A phrase like this:

      They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

      Clearly implies that majority are rapists, with some exceptions, which he obviously doubts. The implication is that he has evidence (or it is well-known fact) that majority of immigrants are 'criminals' and 'rapists'. At the same time he thinks that some are good people, but has no evidence to back that.

      If anything, the news titles are surprisingly accurate.

    9. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion.

      The problem with even that statement is that it doesn't jibe with my personal experience at all.

      None of the illegal immigrants that I've met are criminals (although, I do realize that my experience is anecdotal and isn't worth a shit statistically speaking, and that I have no way to tell who is a criminal and who is not).

      That being said, I find that illegal immigrants are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators since in many cases, they can't even go to the authorities for help and they're targeted because of that. And as to rape, yes, there is a lot of rape that comes with illegal immigration, but that's mostly illegal immigrant Mexican women crossing the border that are getting raped or raped and killed in the process.

      And to me at least, when I hear about a significant portion of illegal Mexican immigrants being rapists, I am wondering where the hell Trump has gotten that from.

    10. Re: Media bias and misrepresentations by kenh · · Score: 1

      There's also his 'stop all Muslim immigrants' statement - oddly all the news sources end their quotes right before trump says "until we can properly vet them"...

      His supporters know what he actually said, and when news sources say otherwise they prove their bias...

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    11. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A games-theory analysis shows that any normal political candidate will end up catering to the wishes of corporate interests in order to get elected.

      But with Trump we can just cut out the middle-man and have direct corruption and cronyism based upon Trump's personal desires. Because that's obviously an improvement.

      We've often wished for a candidate who can avoid the soul-selling and do things in the interests of the people. In this election, we have two: Trump and Sanders.

      Trump will look out for Trump. You're not one "of the people" in his eyes. You're a loser. What makes you think he'd do anything to improve your situation? And before you argue that he'd do orthogonal things and so you'd still be better off, that's basically what most politicians do and people (like you) do tend to be better/worse off as more a product of luck. Ie, no real improvement is made because no attempt is made, yet still the introduction of new laws, regulation, and waste occurs. I don't see why you believe Trump would be better except in that Trump might be so self-destructive he might cripple the government's ability to function and hence indirectly produce what you (and others) desire, a return to State control.

      Meanwhile, Sanders is a sell-out too. I don't think he's had to sell his soul as much because even in a minority there's enough backers to support a lone horse. Yet clearly Sanders has flip-flopped on issues (the reason why he was against H1B Visas, for example), and so even that lone horse knows he needs to pander. But, yea, even then as a sell-out at least he seems more aligned to where I want the country to head.

      tl;dr Voting for Hitler directly isn't an improvement just because it cuts out a middle-man.

    12. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by lgw · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Opinion and "facts" were divided better, but rampant bias was still present in story selection and the truthy factoids chosen for publication. Look at US news coverage of the Vietnam war with with a jaded eye, and you'll see it: did you know we won every major battle in Vietnam? That's not the story the press told, because they wanted us out so very badly. Just like today, the press thinks of itself as smarter than the peasants, who are in need of having their beliefs "corrected". Read some earlier Heinlein stories where is opinion on the press leaks out: literal "newsclowns" in fright wigs and floppy shoes show up in multiple works. Same thing, different generation. Go back further and you reach the height of "yellow journalism".

      Newspapers have always printed fiction inspired by true events, slanted to produce a desired result. Only the sports page is trustworthy, and then only the scores.

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    13. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      No, not really. This is "good ole days" nostalgia that was never actually true. Methinks you need to read up on people such as William Randolph Hearst.

    14. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      So your solution is to support one of the very people who was corruptibg politicians with money? Yeah that sounds logical!

    15. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ALL THAT SHIT

      [Citation Needed]

      Also, muh hitler is not an argument.

    16. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by lgw · · Score: 2

      It's looking more and more like we might actually have a Trump/Sanders election. Trump is more likely than Sanders (unless Hillary gets indicted), but both are doing remarkably well given the RNC and DNC hate them with the burning passion of a million Suns.

      Personally, I think Trump will betray 50% of the promises he makes to conservatives, which makes him infinity-times as reliable as the typical GOP candidate, who betrays the voter on 100% the promises he makes to conservatives.

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    17. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by penguinoid · · Score: 0

      They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

      An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion.

      Sorry, no. What he says reads as "The majority of them are rapists, drug dealers/users, and criminals, but (and I have no evidence so I have to assume) some of them are good people." The press summed it up rather accurately, even though they're journalists.

      What Trump could have said about the problem, which would be more accurate but too boring for the sheeple, would be to note that illegal immigrants have a *much higher* proportion of criminals compared to the general population of either Mexico or USA. Of course, then people might wonder just how good an idea it is to prevent people from obtaining a legal source of income.

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    18. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump doesn't need the money of corporate sponsor because he has his own corporations to finance him. He really doesn't need that money to help his work as president.

    19. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump's sentences could hardly be any simpler, and yet you've failed at parsing them. He's speaking of immigrants and says "They're rapists", with "they" clearly referring to the immigrants. The concession that some immigrants may be good people is weakened by "I assume". So he presents "Immigrants are rapists" as a fact, while "some immigrants are good people" is just an assumption he pretends to be willing to make in their favor. Could it be any clearer?

      In your quotation you omitted who, in Trump's conspiracy worldview, does the sending: "When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best". So he confabulates the state of Mexico deliberately sending out people who "are rapists" to the US. That's even worse than just saying Mexican immigrants are rapists.

    20. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't it better that egomaniac Trump burns his money in his own campaign, rather than supporting a political candidate who might actually win?

    21. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      of course if they were the brightest they wouldn't have a reason to leave (especially illegally)

      On the contrary, the people who make this dangerous journey are generally the most resilient ones, the most likely to succeed and support their families that stay behind. This is how it works everywhere except in places (Syria) where the situation is so horrible that most of the population is trying to leave at any cost.

    22. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The problem is the people who do this for shits and giggles and don't need the campaign contributions also seem to be outright batshit crazy, or may even be sociopaths which is quite common among people with that much money.

    23. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Read again what he actually said "..some, I assume, are good people." In other words, he said that the general mass are rapists, which is a pretty racist comment.

    24. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I absolutely support a Trump/Sanders election and agree it would be the best thing for this nation, but never would I consider myself a Trump *fan*.

      He's essentially a fascist without ethics. The past few presidencies have been terrible for the constitution and civil liberties, but have you heard Trump speak? And just because he doesn't have external corporate interests, judging by his past and his personality he has plenty of his own financial interests that will show themselves if he were to ever be elected. I personally assume the only reason he original ran was for publicity, and then it just took off.

    25. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      I agree with this comment 100%. Have my virtual upvote.

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    26. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Jiro · · Score: 1

      The implication is not that the majority are criminals. The implication is that enough are criminals that it's something to worry about, which isn't the same thing.

      And even if that was the implication, that doesn't mean the press is being truthful. Reporting "the politician said X" when it's really "they said Y and I conclude that they mean X" is itself a lie. You're making the conclusion, but you're not presenting it as a conclusion. Just because you believe the conclusion doesn't mean it's not a lie to leave that part out.

    27. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      did you know we won every major battle in Vietnam? That's not the story the press told, because they wanted us out so very badly.

      We have a name for such victories. We call them Pyrrhic.

      Just like today, the press thinks of itself as smarter than the peasants, who are in need of having their beliefs "corrected".

      Guess what? They're right. At best, the majority of the peasants are unwashed and uninformed.

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    28. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      To be fair, I *am* a Trump fan.
      For the past decade or so we (ie - Slashdot readership) have lamented the high-level of corruption in politics,

      And you want more. Trump has failed on the face of it at almost everything he has done, and only still has money because corruption works. His company gets pushed out of everything eventually, after it fails to deliver on its promises. He is a career criminal, executing one fraud after another.

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    29. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by rhazz · · Score: 1

      They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists, and some, I assume, are good people.

      An accurate representation of what he said was "some illegal immigrants are criminals", which is true simply by the law of averages, with the implication that if they went through a vetting procedure we could perhaps filter out the criminal portion.

      I agree that Trump has been misrepresented by the media on a number of things, particularly the muslim registration thing, but the statement by itself does seem generalize mexican immigrants as rapists, and only some of them happen to be good people. Otherwise it would have made far more sense to say "They're good people, but some of them are rapists" - but that doesn't quite invoke nearly as much fear. Maybe he misspoke, but given all the other stuff coming out of his mouth it really seems to align with his narrative.

    30. Re: Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is actually the case for Syrian refugees as well. It is quite expensive to make it into Europe.

    31. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The 50% will be because he is an old rich white businessman not because he is a conservative. I get why he stirs up the conservatives. I don't understand the liberal end-game of all the vocal hatred against him. Trump has never been a firm conservative. He's a rich guy who supports the issues that gain him the most money. My only guess is either they are building up Trump as a straw man for the general election or they are building up an at heart moderate Republican in case they lose in the general election.

    32. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      (*) I'm referring to American politics, but it probably applies in other places, such as Canada, the UK, and Australia.

      No it doesn't. The US has unlimited corporate spending in elections. In Canada it's $0. That's right, corporations can't fund politicians. Only people can, and there is a very low maximum amount. That's why we don't have as much climate change deniers within our political elite.

    33. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by danbob999 · · Score: 1

      He said "they're rapist". What more do you need? He could have said "a very small minority of them are rapist". But he chose to say "they're rapist" instead. He chose to be provocative and yes, this is racist.

    34. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by 110010001000 · · Score: 1

      Trump doesn't have as much money as you think. And for guys like Trump, you can never have too much money.

    35. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Oh good, so instead of getting a regular useful idiot politician who has to pander to a (somewhat) wider constituency, we get a Constituency of One who can be his own lobbyist and do what's best for his own self interest.

      Doesn't sound like you're making a very good argument in favor.

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      Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
    36. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Coming across the border without permission is illegal, but not criminal. Would you call copyright infringement "theft"?

    37. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One could make the argument that they become criminal when they do not use the legal path to immigration. I know that the SJWs are trying to rebrand this as "undocumented" immigrants, but that's just a nicer term for what it is - people that have entered the country without following the legal methods for doing so.

    38. Re: Media bias and misrepresentations by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      I would like to know how he plans on doing that. Some kind of religious test? A 'shibboleth' if you will? Because it's impossible for the people we want to keep out (terrorists, murderers, etc.) to get coached in order to pass such a rigorous government test that will be posted on the Internet six weeks before it's ever actually enacted due to either a leak, or a Freedom of Information Act request.

      It's a preposterous notion that such a ban could ever be enforced - just like gun control, you would be preventing the immigration we want, and creating the conditions for immigration we don't want to continue.

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    39. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      What makes you think the press is any smarter? It's not like they're chosen by the gods. They're just people, every bit as stupid as the idiots on the street.

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    40. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by lgw · · Score: 1

      Guess what? They're right. At best, the majority of the peasants are unwashed and uninformed.

      There's a name for the sort of system of government you favor. No, no, I'm not going to call you a fascist or commie or anything like that. You want a small ruling class of well-educated people who Think The Right Things, and choose the direction for the nation while helping to correct the peasants, and take care of them in hard times since they can't take care of themselves. That's a feudal system. It works better than communism in practice, but not by a lot. Thing is: even if you get to pick who's in that ruling class to start with (and you don't), two generations later is has all gone to shit.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    41. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by lgw · · Score: 1

      The 50% will be because he is an old rich white businessman not because he is a conservative.

      No, the 50% will be because he's a populist, and that has strong overlap with both usual GOP voters, and usual Dem voters. He appeals to people who think the job of the American government is to put America first. More people feel that way on the right than on the left, but it's a strong and rising sentiment across the board.

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      Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
    42. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      There's a name for the sort of system of government you favor.

      Today? I prefer proportional representation with mandatory participation. That'll get some goddamned attention. Someday? A bioregional socialism. But first people have to recognize that they shouldn't shit where they eat... you have to compost that shit for about a year.

      You want a small ruling class of well-educated people who Think The Right Things

      Actually, I've often spoken loudly in favor of free education for all, and the general need for more education among our populace so that it can make informed decisions. That's not what we have now, though.

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    43. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're claiming that he didn't say that the Mexicans are rapists. Yet you also quote Trump as saying the following:

      They’re rapists

      So - how, exactly did he not say that the Mexican immigrants are rapists?

    44. Re:Media bias and misrepresentations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well actually what he said was they are all rapists, but some of those rapists are good people.

      he really needs to take English as a second language, that's an awful mess

  12. TIMMMAAAAYYY!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although the submitter chose to use his full given name of Timothy in this context, clearly he is in fact the television celebrity known as "TIMMMAAAAYYY!!!!"

  13. Newsletter? by CrashNBrn · · Score: 2

    Which is far more interesting than TFA's actual "summary-run-on-sentence".

    1. Re:Newsletter? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not a run-on sentence. It's just a bit long. 'Run-on' doesn't mean 'runs on and on'. It means something else. The only issue is that em-dash, which isn't necessary; a comma would be fine.

  14. Learning by DaMattster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    YouTube opened a whole world of learning available to people. YouTube is more than just entertainment, it's educational and informative as well. It's almost the best thing to come to the Internet since the World Wide Web.

    1. Re:Learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You can train yourself to be oblivious to advertisements. I don't even use ad blockers. When the occasional survey of what advertisements you've seen recently on youtube, I honestly can't answer.

      I used to pick none of the above but recently changed the strategy to all of the above in hopes of keeping it free. I watch maybe an hour a day of educational and instructional videos.

    2. Re:Learning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Youtube quietly cultivates the content it wants to defend and takes down all others due to DMCA excuses. There is nothing educational about a one sided echo chamber. Education comes from having unfettered discourse with multiple viewpoints.

  15. Why? by tsotha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In a time of fascist politicians...

    If you're going to start your post with "I AM AN IDIOT", how can you expect other people to take you seriously?

    1. Re:Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump objectively sounds just like a fascist. Just like an early Mussolini, at the beginning of the movement.

      You can ignore this all you like, but since the fucker is increasingly unstoppable as the GOP nominee and in a world where IDIOTS think that anyone with government experience is somehow unqualified for the presidency, let's just have this discussion in a few years.

      The GOP are lining up behind Trump, even though they are exasperated by him. Just as people lined up behind a young Mussolini even though he was an obvious dickweasel. The comparison is a good one, and the people Trump scares (and threatens with absolutely unconstitutional interference) have every reason to draw parallels between themselves and those terrified by Mussolini.

    2. Re: Why? by kenh · · Score: 1

      The only reason democrats have to fear a candidate like trump is if they are afraid trumps positions/policies might resonate with a larger block of voters than their own candidate's positions/policies. In other words, the only reason for democrats to fear a trump candidacy is if he stands a chance of beating their candidate [Clinton|Sanders]...

      So since Democrats are 'light their hair on fire' afraid of Trump, they must think he has a reasonable chance of winning in the General election... Otherwise why worry about it?

      --
      Ken
    3. Re: Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't consider myself a Democrat, but most of my beliefs are from the left. I cringe when I hear people I generally agree with wring their hands about Trump.

      Trump winning the Republican would actually be a fantastic thing for the country (despite making it look like 30% of us are neo-Nazi) because it would shake up both parties, demonstrate anti-Wall Street sentiment on both sides of the fence, show people are sick enough of career politicians to do something about it, and (barring multiple major catastrophes/scandals) hand the election to the Democrats at the same time.

  16. Slashdot channeling Trump ? by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    Just say stupid things hoping people will keep watching ?

  17. Controlling information is pure power by Beeftopia · · Score: 2

    Being able to control the information being fed to the population creates a tremendous of control over that population. Television and radio are loudspeakers into people's homes. And now so is the Internet. Television and radio are very strictly controlled by those that own the airwaves, and a very expensive medium on which to advertise.

    Being able to control information on the Internet is a very dear goal to the powers that be, either elected or not-elected. ALL spectrums of politicians want this power, not just the ones you or I disagree with.

    1. Re:Controlling information is pure power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The forest frequently missed.

  18. Who the fuck is this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re: Who the fuck is this guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny thing is that Trump with all his fascist tendencies is more liberal than the so called liberals. He may want to censor the media but what are the liberals already doing? The fact that you somehow think that YouTube is a liberal place just because the things that you and the owners of YouTube agrees with is hilarious.

      Media including YouTube is owned and controlled by Wallstreet which also sets the agenda for so called liberal politics. They practically runs the government. That's far closer to the idea's of fascism than the ideas Trump is putting forward.

      The funding fathers who were true liberals put a clear separation between parts of the government in order to combat the concentration of power that we now are seeing, and put in place a free market for fast economic growth.

      However that market became infested with unfair business tactics leading to monopolies. The first dangerous monopoly was standard oil which was crushed and new laws were put in place.

      But the concentration of money stayed intact and those that had that money adapted by diversification and creating the illusion that there are no monopolies. This while less than 200 people holds over 90% of the voting power in the so called western world.

      Ironically anything that preserve that balance of power is liberal and anything else is oppressive in some way.

      Bitcoin for example is somehow oppressive and "non-liberal" because "dangerous" and "oppressive" groups that mainly use dollars and banks somehow use it for "money laundering".

  19. YouTube is TRUTH! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    If it wasn't for YouTube, I'd never have learned that Alex Jones was a secret agent for the Knights of Malta and the Jesuits.

    https://youtu.be/0ZLIoEOjNhY

    I'd never have learned that the Moon was a hologram.

    https://youtu.be/_3axPn65MGM

    I wouldn't have learned that jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

    https://youtu.be/DXRDq9nKJ0U

    And most important, I'd never have learned that Jay-Z was an Illuminati time-traveler,

    https://youtu.be/-lf4zco47Gc ...and possibly a clone.

    https://youtu.be/AYDRHySPyDE

    So don't you fucking tell me that YouTube doesn't need defending. There's no better place to learn the truth than a platform where anyone can have a voice. We don't need journalists when we can get the straight shit from other people like us.

    --
    You are welcome on my lawn.
    1. Re: YouTube is TRUTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shut up, get raped, and die, you filthy subhuman mongrel.

    2. Re:YouTube is TRUTH! by Bartles · · Score: 1

      Eloi say that fire can't melt steel. But this Morlock will show how he's smarter than Eloi. I know which side I'll be on.

    3. Re:YouTube is TRUTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah, but see, you have been swindled. Those links you post... they are not to www.youtube.com, the honest-to-god, communist-fearing, red-neck-bearded AMERICAN service sprouting the gospel truth as given to us by Kennedy, Bush, Kennedy, Clinton, Bush, Clinton & associates.
      What you link to is youtu.be, a Belgian service, at the heart of the European Union.
      Those filthy socialists. We have always been at war with Eurunion!

    4. Re: YouTube is TRUTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have the truth without also having it blended with various things that ain't true. That's because of two reasons.

      The first reason is that when you have censorship for any reason the truth will be censored as much as the lies.

      The second reason is that if you don't get all the facts including the crazy one's then you don't learn to separate fact from fiction. Then in turn you don't know if anything is true.

      If you don't go through the content you refer to, fact check them, and decide for yourself if they are true or not - then your claim that they aren't true is a lie.

      Of course I have already done that for several of the videos and know that they are wrong. However if I claimed that they are wrong I would still be wrong myself. Because without telling others how I came to that conclusion, people shouldn't believe me.

      So what you are doing are no more true than the videos you are referring to. You are making unfounded claims about them. They may not be unfunded in your head because of things that you know, but they are unfounded in your text because of there is nothing there to make it otherwise.

      What you write is not in any way different than the videos you link to. You present your opinion as if it was facts, just like those videos does.

    5. Re: YouTube is TRUTH! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You can't have the truth without also having it blended with various things that ain't true.

      That's stupid.

      If you don't go through the content you refer to, fact check them, and decide for yourself if they are true or not

      Except you're not in a position to fact-check anything yourself. You're just going to go look at other sources, that uncurated, may or may not be true.

      You are making unfounded claims about them.

      What "unfounded claims"?

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      You are welcome on my lawn.
    6. Re:YouTube is TRUTH! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I'd never have learned that the Moon was a hologram.

      That is wonderful - that there are people in the world who would see such an effect on camera, and conclude that the effect they're seeing is NOT in the camera, but ACTUALLY on the moon!

      As they say, there's no cure for stupid.

  20. Why I've moved to lobste.rs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Let's face it /. is dead. Long live lobste.rs (or atleast for the next 20 years)

  21. slashdot keeps getting lower by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The last several weeks, I've been seeing some non-tech pieces. Some even have a mild political orientation. I guess slashdot is in the slow slide, like MSNBC did. soylentnews had a rapid slide, and FOX NEWS was born down there. Mediocrity triumphs again.

  22. Politics, Not Tech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This does not belong on /.

  23. (((Lauren Weinstein))) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No surprise the Jew ((Weinstein))) whines about Trump. Jews can't control Trump and they're s******g their pants.

  24. Trump isn't Hitler by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

    tl;dr Voting for Hitler directly isn't an improvement just because it cuts out a middle-man.

    Trump isn't Hitler!!!

    Hitler could paint...

    1. Re:Trump isn't Hitler by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      But don't you know that supporting [Candidate x] means you are literally Hitler or are voting for literally Hitler?

      It's like you don't even know it's [THE CURRENT YEAR].

    2. Re:Trump isn't Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea, yea. I know I was just Godwinning at that point. Trump obviously isn't Hitler. Hitler was also charismatic. Hitler wrote a book that actually sold well. Hitler was a demagog who didn't merely flirt with ideas of racism and genocide but actively embraced them.

      But the point still stands, to vote for X in lieu of Y who does the bidding of people like X is not inherently some improvement. Be it voting for Hitler, the Pope, or whoever. And it's on that point which I couldn't support Trump because Trump as an egotistical asshole who knows more about running businesses into the ground than anything really social, I can't see how he'd be a particular good representative of the US people except in an overly literal sense. But, then, that's not how democracies are supposedly structured. The idea isn't to vote for the average idiot because that's a good representation of the people.

      But, then, that brings us back to Hitler. The whole reason Hitler got into power is precisely because the people did support him. Not by a majority but by the same sort of plurality that votes in the current leadership. And the rabid hatred of the Jews wasn't a Hitler invention; his rise to power was a manifestation of centuries of scapegoating on the Jews. So, Trump is no Hitler. But maybe Hitler is a Trump.

  25. I can't read this by p0p0 · · Score: 1

    I can barely concentrate on reading the blog-pretending-to-be-news post over the sound of Timothy furiously masturbating while crying and quietly murmuring "They love me. They really love me. I'm s smart,"

    Feck off!

  26. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What an arrogant, self-agrandizing load of shit. You dehumanize those with whom you disagree so that you can be evil towards them.

    From the Internet to the article author: Fuck you.

  27. Dumbest shitpost ever by rebelwarlock · · Score: 1

    But hey, at least you got all that attention you were desperately seeking. I assume that's what the point of this "article" was, since there's clearly no other point. Also, most of the attention might have consisted of people telling you to fuck off, which you've certainly earned.

  28. Thinly veiled political diatribe by the poster by BigChigger · · Score: 1

    Not unexpected on /. But still you guys should try harder when pushing your agendas down people's throats.

  29. Oh look... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Offended SlashBots...

  30. Re:mod do3n by Bartles · · Score: 1

    That domain has been gone for years. How long have you been posting that without checking? Not that I can blame you for not looking.

  31. Conjuction Junction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In the mornings, when I am usually wide awake, I love to take a walk through the gardens and down by the lake, where I often see a duck and a drake and I wonder as I walk by, just what they'd say if they could speak, although I know that's an absurd thought.

  32. Stupidest submission ever by Jack+Griffin · · Score: 1

    Wow. Just wow. Can Slashdot get any lower?

  33. More Precisely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fascist == "Person who does not submit themselves to an elite who is accustomed to Rule Over other people, without consulting them".

    Or

    Fascist == "Person who does not submit himself to the idiocies of the Banksters and their assorted propaganda organs"

  34. YouTube mostly worthless fluff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, occasionally you find some worthy videos on YouTube and yet much of what you find is worthless fluff or self indulgent creations only meant to uplift someone's ego. Its like the badly out of tune singer who thinks stardom is just a video away. Or the person who reviews a product with no real knowledge of the product or even how to use it. It becomes worthless dribble that wastes everyone's time. No useful information, no entertainment value and in most cases wouldn't make most other venues. But for YouTube its a release factor for all those striving for their 5 minutes of fame. The rest of YouTube is awash in commercial stuff that benefits from YouTube's central format of presentation. YouTube is not something most people would ever pay for. That's how much its worth to people.

  35. Not Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If a corrupted (by Wahabists and NY finance) candidate is again elected, EVERYBODY (including IT employees) will suffer their "brilliant" craziness.

    This posting was aimed at Trump, because he promises to reign into the narcissists of NY. They are fuming, because they can no longer do whatever their sick minds are concoting.

    Wahabist intelligence even ventures out to Germanic lands in order to silence people like me. So they are very pissed, too.

  36. Clinton Supporter by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Weinstein is one of the useful idiots of NY and Riad. Move along, nothing to see here.

  37. Churchill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Dogs look up to us; cats look down on us; pigs treat us as equals".

  38. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The internet is different in the sense that it is DECENTRALIZED.

    If you have interesting facts and some endurance, YOU can actually influence politics.

    Of course the rich, powerful and corrupt hate this.

    See Clinton's comments about the internet.

  39. Protip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Read media from all relevant political blocks:

    RT.COM

    economist.com

    presstv.ir

    bbc.com

    welt.de

    (some chinese outlet)

    (some indian outlet)

    Then correlate all what you read. Given that each party will present the "bad facts of the other parties", you will get a much better picture of what REALLY goes on. For example, they currently want to sell is the idea of "west fights ISIS", when in reality the OPPOSITE is done.

    Erdogan and the Saudis and the Pakis are nasty triple-crossers who will lie you in the face without a wrinkle. The are behind ISIS and they are also coddled by America and Britain. "WMD" all over again, just with a new "approach".

  40. Hillary sounds like Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Can we call her Hitlary ?

    After all, we lob shit and what is good for the gander is good for the goose...

    1. Re:Hillary sounds like Hitler by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Can we call her Hitlary ?

      Evidently Bill's nickname for her behind her back was 'Hilla the Hun.'

  41. Yes, Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We should vote you and your corrupt NY friends into office for five more years of unchecked, unpunished finance crimes (Dick Fuld-style bookcooking, AIG "credit insurance" etc). That will enable them to completely finish off the American economy and drop almost all other countries into the bin, too.

    Only the Norks and Butan will be spared of your insanity...

    While we are at it, we should let the Saudis massacre more Christians, because they have bribed you, too.

    Yeah, Trump is Hitler and you are our saviors. NOT.

  42. Sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If Clinton gets elected (thats what you want ?) then we get five more years of unchecked corruption in the NY finance system.

    Do you want that ? Want to risk 1929 on steroids ?

  43. Get Education by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...then come back to youtube. You will find that it has some interesting nuggets of information about many, many, many subjects.

    For example, I recently followed the technological development in an important sector.

    Or maybe you want to learn something about the people of Butan ?

  44. Ummm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You don't seem to realize that these candidates' supporters are also using the internet to organize their own efforts. So, if there were no internet/YouTube, then these candidates would not have the prominence that they do today. We would be looking at something more like Mondale vs Dole :-)

  45. Define fascist and fascism by franblets · · Score: 1

    Terms used when people don't like something - usually they are clueless about the actual history and people involved.

  46. Re:YouTube is now just slowly dying off. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    youtube seems to be the only one that works without flash

  47. Defender? HA! by iq145 · · Score: 1

    Lauren Weinstein is probably a "defender" of Suckerberg's Facebook too :-)