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Unprecedented DDoS Attack At Swedish Government, Media Outlets (www.dn.se)

Flu writes: Yesterday, at 19:30 CET, an unprecedented DDOS attack shut down both Swedish government sites and all major news outlets, including www.aftonbladet.se, www.expressen.se, www.svd.se, www.dn.se, www.di.se and others. The attack was announced in advanced in a tweet stating 'The following days attacks against the Swedish government and media spreading false propaganda will be targeted'. A large amount of traffic was detected from Russia. Tension between Russia and Sweden has slowly but steadily intensified during the latest years, causing Swedish relocation of military forces to strategic location and increased cooperation with NATO.

125 comments

  1. Fair is Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's your link of German Chancellor Merkel demanding that Mark Zuckerberg censor Facebook of 'anti-immigrant sentiment', which just so happens to be the same as 'the majority of my country, who do not like my policies'.

    1. Re: Fair is Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the people's task to agree or disagree with the laws. They must just obey without question.

    2. Re: Fair is Fair by Archtech · · Score: 1

      Note to Facebook administration: we really badly need a moderation score of "Irony". It's used a lot, and I feel all too often unrecognised by some.

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    3. Re: Fair is Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      even if the law is unjust?

    4. Re: Fair is Fair by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially then. It is easy for the people to obey just laws. The challenge to their duty comes when they are asked to follow unjust laws.

    5. Re: Fair is Fair by Stoutlimb · · Score: 1

      Facebook bought Slashdot?

  2. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assange could of course just go to Sweden and fight it out, he seemed OK to be in the UK before all this, but going to Sweden would mean extradition to the US?

    Anyways, it was media pages that were attacked, not the government.

  3. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assange is a wanker and got what he deserved. BTW the whole Russian lead is just bullcrap.

  4. How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    These sites are the largest in Sweden and still they are vulnerable to DDOS. So: ask Slashdot: how do you cope with DDoS? What are the best tools to protect yourself and what to do when the attack is on?

    1. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      how do you cope with DDoS?

      Send all packets back where they came from. They are raping our servers. They flood our network routers. They bring in DOS. Some of them, I suppose, are nice packets.

      I love network packets, I have thousands and thousands sent to me every day. But these packets were sent by nasty, nasty criminals. You know what we did in the old days with these criminals. They are drowning our servers in packets.

      What are the best tools to protect yourself

      Build a firewall, and let the hackers pay for it.

      and what to do when the attack is on?

      Vote for Donald J. Trump.

    2. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These sites are the largest in Sweden

      Source?

      The old media tends to talk big. When you start to look at their numbers they tend to look more like a hobby project.

    3. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These sites are the largest in Sweden

      Source?

      http://www.kiaindex.se/sok/?section=6

    4. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh, I misunderstood. I assumed what you meant largest sites over all in Sweden. Not largest "old media" sites.
      KIA only lists traditional media. Forums like Flashback or Xhamster are not listed there.

      As for the particular DDoS it is probably hard to target only one of them. They all have their offices in the same part of Stockholm and probably share the same servers anyway. Mainstream journalism in Sweden is a monoculture of people that seldom travel outside the same half of Stockholm.

    5. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So: ask Slashdot: how do you cope with DDoS? What are the best tools to protect yourself and what to do when the attack is on?

      Well, if I was media outlet, I would likely look into Google's Project Shield. For other cases where security/privacy isn't the priority number I would consider CloudFlare. To protect government sites where you are not allowed to rely on service outside of your country, you would need to figure out how much you are ready to spend. Like if you have unlimited budget, you could build your own CDN with multiple 100Gpbs of capacity per IXP and then start filtering it before passing it to your core.

    6. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by phorm · · Score: 1

      Send all packets back where they came from.

      Actually that could be an amusing solution. Perhaps temporarily changing the ARP records for Russian so that the DDOS'ing machines start sending traffic back at some internal target would get the problem cleaned up quickly....

    7. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 2

      You appear not to know how TCP/IP works.

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    8. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Whenever a DDoS appears just shut down for a while and wait until the shitstorm passes. Nobody can run an attack forever.

      Another way to cope with attacks like this is to run servers on multiple IPs but have different IPs serving domestically compared to foreign traffic. Not a perfect solution but would at least make a DDoS attack a bit harder to execute. Even having transparent proxies may make a DDoS attack harder. Traffic shaping slowing down requests from high frequency sources is also possible.

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    9. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for the fact that most DDOS attacks come from compromised computers so reversing a DDOS attack simply makes things worse overall and does nothing to stop or mitigate the attack.

    10. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ARP records

      You really should stop commenting on any story involving network technology.
      Seriously, you're just making yourself look like an idiot.

    11. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my gosh, you're that guy from the Internet!

    12. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by phorm · · Score: 1

      It's not TCP/IP so much as BGP, which is often already used in DDOS protection. Normally it would be used to filter traffic through a DDOS (protection) provider but perhaps instead they could push a route change to the Russian side and send all the "fun" traffic back at some networks in the homeland.

    13. Re:How to cope with DDoS? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      You said ARP, not BGP. If you'd said BGP I wouldn't have commented, as it would nearly make sense.

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  5. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Actually, both government and media sites were attacked. It's misleading to simply say that Assange was in the UK. He was, but at the Ecuadorian embassy. The diplomatic status of the embassy prevented the UK from arresting Assange while he was in the embassy. Your post is quite misleading and inaccurate. And yes, going to Sweden might mean extradition to the US, provided the US requests it and the extradition treaty would allow for it.

  6. Correction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No government sites, and many but not all major news sites.

  7. Information warfare by haeger · · Score: 1, Interesting

    It's a bit scary how easy it is to knock peoples main source of information offline. This time I don't think there was anything more to it, but in case a real attack is happening, cutting people off from what's happening is one of the first things that you do.
    Could we use p2p in some form here, making sure that information can be distributed as long as there are people connected?

    .haeger

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    1. Re: Information warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ham radio.

    2. Re: Information warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ham radio.

      What good will that do? You can only contact hams with those and there is no way to verify that the source is who it claims to be.
      The problem is to get verified official messages in a possible crisis. If I want to hear gossip my neighbor is a way better source.

    3. Re: Information warfare by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      AMPRNET - Internet network 44.

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    4. Re: Information warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you have a better alternative, let's hear it. At least ham radio has a barrier of entry that repels 99% of the people who would spam and troll a p2p internet solution for spreading news.

    5. Re:Information warfare by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not that easy but Putin put a lot of resources and is ahead of the U.S. in this info war:
      http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/20/the-baltic-elves-taking-on-pro-russian-trolls.html

  8. This might be part of the reason... by aralin · · Score: 1, Informative

    Here is an article describing what is happening in Sweden with security services and press and might help to explain partly why this attack might be happening.

    http://theindicter.com/paid-ag...

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    1. Re:This might be part of the reason... by skastrik · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Here are couple more articles. The level of government sponsored propaganda in Sweden is reaching pretty unprecedented levels ...

      How on earth can this be tagged as informative?
      The first article discusses possible responses to real growing tensions with Russia. The second is a neo-nazi website, which either tells something about the poster or that he just blindingly googled some crap.

    2. Re:This might be part of the reason... by aralin · · Score: 0

      Yeah, the second URL was not supposed to be there, obviously, I had a different link, but I only noticed I pasted a wrong URL when I already posted the comment.

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    3. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I modded so posted as AC!
      From right-wing so it must be wrong!?
      I consider myself left-wing, but fact is the fact, your argument just like German media, "you should not be convinced by right-wing populist propaganda, believe me!".
      OK, if the links aarlin posted above is from neo-nazi, how about this:
      It’s not only Germany that covers up mass sex attacks by migrant men... Sweden’s record is shameful
      Now Swedish officials face claims of covering up migrant sex attacks

      For the first link, it's so FUNNY that Sweden mentioned 'fighting Russian propaganda war'. I wonder whether if they found out the Russian sub? Oh, how panicked Sweden media reacted as they found a Russian sub sank in early 1900s? or French fighter violated Sweden's airspace was missed identifying as Russian one? or use 'gay ads' to repel Russian submarine?

    4. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Considering the current political climate in Sweden right now it is way more likely that the DDoS was made by some neo-nazi that "doesn't have ties with a particular right wing party other than being friends with some dude high up."
      An attack form Russian computers doesn't mean that the Russian government is involved. It's not like you can't buy time on botnets.
      OTOH a lot of neo-nazi movements in Europe have gotten Russian support lately, so you can't really rule that out either.
      The nationalist movements like to push the "other nations aren't our problem" and get out of EU agenda so it's a cheap way to make it easier to do landgrabs in eastern Europe.

    5. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Archtech · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's quite simple: Assange raped a Swedish woman, and sexually assaulted another one. And now he refuses to face the court. He's a refugee from justice.

      In fact, Assange raped no one. He slept with two Swedish women, both of whom were so eager to do so that they bragged about it to their friends for days before and after. He raped neither of them, and in fact neither of them has ever said that he did. When the charges were first brought, Assange waited in Sweden - despite his busy schedule - until it was made entirely clear that the charges were dropped (because the women said he had done nothing wrong). He then travelled to Britain, at which point a wholly new prosecutor popped up (obviously politically motivated) and began saying Assange should be charged (again).

      Here is the BBC's "timeline" of the charges against Assange: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...

      There are a couple of things missing from this timeline, however. They happened before the BBC's record of events begins.

      "In April 2010, WikiLeaks published gunsight footage from the 12 July 2007 Baghdad airstrike in which Iraqi journalists were among those killed by an AH-64 Apache helicopter, known as the Collateral Murder video. In July of the same year, WikiLeaks released Afghan War Diary, a compilation of more than 76,900 documents about the War in Afghanistan not previously available to the public". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      April 2010: WikiLeaks published gunsight footage of the murders in Baghdad.
      July 2010: WikiLeaks releases "Afghan War Diary"
      August 2010: Assange charged with rape (although he had never before been accused of any such behaviour)

      The pattern is all too familiar to those of us who are familiar with the US government's methods in moving against anyone it wants to destroy.

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    6. Re: This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I cited the neo-nazi propaganda by accident, you can believe me when I say that I'm being honest!"

    7. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When leftists from Spain, German, Italy... support Russia in conflict with Ukraine, they blame European leftists for being bribed by Putin.
      When SPD of German and Gerhard Schroeder be a closed friend of Putin, they blame leftwing parties for support Russia.

      Now, when migrant crisis presses across EU, and all of the so-called centrist, leftist governments shot themselves on the foot, they blame rightwing movement be populist and bribed by Putin.

      Fucking stupid!

      Just two recent articles by Spiegel (English) show perfect the real face of Germany, in particular, and EU in general:

      Third Republic: Germany Enters a Dangerous New Political Era

      "They don't trust the journalists and believe in their own truths"
      "the roles long played by journalists is that of gatekeeper, filtering out the hate, conspiracy theories and other lunacy."

      Most Germans Think the Press Is Lying to Them About Refugees

    8. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Kiuas · · Score: 1

      Assange likely has very little to do with this, although the Russians will probably be delighted if people think so. If it is the case that the attacks originated from Russia, then this is likely to be just the latest addition in the information warfare campaign that Russia is waging across Europe. It's very much within Russia's interest at the moment to play as much with the migrant crisis and the media as they possibly can to sow political distrust. They've been running their own 'news' channels (Sputnik) with English language content but additionally they're supporting the so called "anti-media" or "underground media" sites which are basically anti-immigration/anti-EU blogs that run hearsay or entirely made up stories mixed in with bits and pieces of actual news.

      Russia does not give a flying fuck about Assange, or Snowden for that matter. They might say they do, but again, do you think Russia for example is not doing exactly the same type of surveillance on its people than what Snowden revealed in the US? Hell, this is the country in which people have recently been jailed both for being openly atheist as well as for criticizing the invasion of Crimea or calling for a change of leadership.

      So what are the odds that this country launches a cyber attack against a north-European nation because they care so much about justice and the rights of individuals for a fair trial, or any of that? Slim. Extremely slim.

      This is geopolitics, plain and simple. Divide and conquer etc.

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    9. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Z00L00K · · Score: 0

      And Putin leans back and smiles at all the confusion created.

      He doesn't care about left or right, he just cares about creating diversions to take interest from more pressing matters.

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      If builders built buildings the way programmers wrote programs, then the first woodpecker would destroy civilization.
    10. Re:This might be part of the reason... by jodido · · Score: 1

      First of all, what government does not do all this? Second, this is the result of thinking it's OK to not let people you disagree with have the same right to speak as you do. How is this different from what Anonymous does? Or in the US, the people who think it's a good idea, because they don't like Donald Trump, to keep him from speaking?

    11. Re: This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly what I was thinking.
      Kind of like posting a link to 4chan and then saying "I don't read that nonsense, honest".

    12. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The thing is, though, that it's the right wing that supports Russia.

      A Swedish journalist mapped how the Swedish right wing (the Sweden Democrates party) voted in EU parliament and compared it to how the left voted.

      In short: On any issues involving russia, the right wing would always vote pro-russia, and the left wing would always vote anti-russia.

      You can see this pattern as well on right wing websites where the right wing is always pro russia. I see much admiration for their "tough stance against homosexuality" and similar junk.

    13. Re: This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because sources that sides with nazi-terrorist mass murderer Anders Breivik is where I would go for neutral non-disinformation.

        http://www.dailystormer.com/anti-human-swedes-denying-political-activist-anders-breivik-his-human-rights/

    14. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The assange case is not that straightforward. The women are not personally involved in the case any longer. They were not the people to take this to court.

    15. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Except that Assange has no legal liability for those releases so why is the US going after him. The guilty party is in prison for a long time and is now claiming to be a female.

      As to the rape allegations, under Swedish law they are legitimate accusations.

      Finally that video is not nearly as inflammatory as you claim. The "Journalists" were walking with individuals openly carrying AK rifles. You'll note that the international community expressed no outrage at it. Only the Interweb expressed outrage. Actual nation states looked at it, and said that at most they were collateral damage, but as the 'Journalists" were accompanied by armed individuals carrying AK's and possible RPG's it was a legitimate act.

      The Interweb screamed "Oh Noes, War Crimes!" in it's collective ignorance of what a war crime actually is. But nobody (Nations) that actually matters or understands combat and the Laws of Land Warfare was upset. They understand what is actually a war crime and what is not.

    16. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Archtech · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The Interweb screamed "Oh Noes, War Crimes!" in it's collective ignorance of what a war crime actually is. But nobody (Nations) that actually matters or understands combat and the Laws of Land Warfare was upset. They understand what is actually a war crime and what is not.

      Every single act of violence done (or provoked) by Americans and their allies in Iraq was a war crime, and that continues to be the case. The invasion was a perfect example of what the Nuremberg Tribunal called "the ultimate international crime" - an unprovoked war of aggression. The USA attacked and invaded Iraq, overthrew its government, killed more than a million of its people, and quite deliberately destroyed its infrastructure. Ask yourself what those Americans in that helicopter were doing even being inside Iraq. They had no business being in the country, let alone killing people for any reason at all. If Iraqis wish to carry guns in their country, that is their affair. (In any case, the objects were not guns - that is just what the bloodthirsty, highly imaginative US soldiers said).

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    17. Re:This might be part of the reason... by ultranova · · Score: 1

      I still laugh uproariously every time that Assange thing comes up.

      I just think it's sad that a nation that aspired so high has fallen so low.

      If he would have just kept his dick in his pants, he'd be a free man today.

      Any excuse will serve a tyrant.

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    18. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How!? Did you read those articles?
      My point is they blame everything on Russia, just for convenience, now they blame the rightists are bribed by Russia.

      The first article, Spiegel whines how good they are, but the people don't understand, and too easy to be lure by populists.
      The second one, they show the fact that most of Germans don't believe in MSM. If one doesn't know why, read the previous article.

      It's not Russia's fault or 'rightwing populist', their fault!

    19. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He smiles, may be, but "all the confusion", thanks to stupid Merkel and EU politicians!

    20. Re: This might be part of the reason... by Prune · · Score: 1

      What's wrong with 4chan? Come at me bro

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    21. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      http://politics.slashdot.org/c...

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Unprovoked? What crack are you smoking. War crimes? Again, that must be some good shit. The UN said, in a resolution, the equivalent of if you don't let us inspect everything, we will attack you. Iraq didn't let the inspectors in, but we are horrible mass murders for following through with the UN's threat?

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    22. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Um, having sex with a woman while she sleeps because she said no the night before is rape in most countries.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    23. Re:This might be part of the reason... by Archtech · · Score: 1

      From the Wikipedia page you cited:

      'On 8 November 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15–0 vote; Russia, China, France, and Arab states such as Syria voted in favor, giving Resolution 1441 wider support than even the 1990 Gulf War resolution.

      'While some politicians have argued that the resolution could authorize war under certain circumstances, the representatives in the meeting were clear that this was not the case. The United States Ambassador to the United Nations, John Negroponte, said:
      “ [T]his resolution contains no "hidden triggers" and no "automaticity" with respect to the use of force. If there is a further Iraqi breach, reported to the Council by UNMOVIC, the IAEA or a Member State, the matter will return to the Council for discussions as required in paragraph 12. The resolution makes clear that any Iraqi failure to comply is unacceptable and that Iraq must be disarmed. And, one way or another, Iraq will be disarmed. If the Security Council fails to act decisively in the event of further Iraqi violations, this resolution does not constrain any Member State from acting to defend itself against the threat posed by Iraq or to enforce relevant United Nations resolutions and protect world peace and security.[3]'

      As it happened, Iraq could not be "disarmed", as it had no WMD of the type discussed in the UN proceedings. And the resolution emphatically did not authorize the use of force, even if Iraqq had had any WMD.

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  9. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Mats+Svensson · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually, the papers that were targeted had mostly Assange-positive articles. And The current regime in the Kremlin, are those that has been yelling the loudest about how we all deserve to die for standing up to their ministry of lies. Fuck Putin! Sincerely, Sweden

  10. Please down vote this thread. by emj · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you have any accusations of the government doing any sort of propaganda then post them, insinuations have never helped against propaganda. Those links are not informative in any way, I would say that the second link is propaganda of the worst kind, and the first is made into propaganda from you by a strange context.

    1. Re:Please down vote this thread. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about the boss at the biggest daily swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter declaring just after he started working that the newspaper would from now on focus on, agenda setting journalism, i.e. propaganda.

      Since then, they have been caught fabricating articles a number of times and interviews are being sprinkled with insinuating bullshit to make the reader think the interviewee said something much worse than they actually said.

      Additionally one our new chief of polices first major decisions, besides the restructuring of the force which now has about 80% of the police officers looking for a new job, was to introduce "Code 291" which is there to hide incidents at asylum homes from the media.

    2. Re:Please down vote this thread. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you are saying Sweden is becoming UK? Two kingdoms in a royal pod, it seems.

    3. Re:Please down vote this thread. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Provide evidence or prepare to look indistinguishable from propaganda peddlers. Do you not see the irony in railing against baseless assertions by making baseless assertions? I guess not...

  11. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    WTF are you talking about? As if the two events would be related in any way.

  12. FALSE FLAG by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Probably the lefties must be brought into line.

    Things like that are done by the swedish elite.

    Another tactic is to "search for submarines". They really perform searches, even though there is no reason at all.

    The key reason is that they are too cowardly to directly confront their lefty and commie politicos.

  13. Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This was Russia again. They are always trying to crush neighbouring cuntries. Look at the three baltic states as well as Poland and Finland. Now Sweden is finally waking up to the truth.

    1. Re: Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Waking up? We have fought several wars with Russia throughout history and Russia has always been seen as the great enemy in Sweden.

    2. Re: Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      well you shouldn't have colonised them in the first place!

  14. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Archtech · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    Come on Mats, you guys are still just smarting from the Battle of Poltava, when you got as far into Russia as (roughly) modern Novorossia, and then were sensationally obliterated in one of the great battles of history. Matter of interest, why did you feel the need to invade Russia? It's not smart and it's not funny, and everyone who does it regrets it.

    Unfortunately, they often end up with a lingering, festering hatred of Russia. Which isn't really fair, because all the Russians did was defend themselves.

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  15. news that matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sweden is nine million people. Frankly, who gives a fuck?

    1. Re:news that matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Those who live there perhaps? How stupid can you be?

    2. Re: news that matters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how many states do you have with 9 million people or less?

    3. Re: news that matters? by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      The US have 10 states that have a larger population than Sweden (9,858,794 at January 31st 2016).

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  16. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Place+a+name+here · · Score: 2

    It's not smart and it's not funny, and everyone who does it regrets it.

    Tell that to Genghis Khan.

  17. Packets are refugees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SWEDEN YES

    Sweden needs to take in more refugees, no matter the cost.

  18. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Historically Russians are a mix of Fenno-Ugric and Proto-Slavic people governed by "Swedish" kings, with later mix-in of Mongolian blood and governance.

    In Finnish and Estonian we still call Sweden "Rossi" and the country east of us is "Veneja" (or Boat People) :)

  19. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    You fucking dumbshits still going on about battles that happened hundreds of years ago? Who gives a rats ass?

  20. Hello cold_fjord by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is the pay any worse when you post as AC?

    1. Re:Hello cold_fjord by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

      Pay zero regardless, no difference when posting as AC.

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  21. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1, Informative

    Which isn't really fair, because all the Russians did was defend themselves.

    The war started when the Russians invaded Poland. Also, Poltava isn't in Russia, it is in Ukraine. It is silly to say the Russians were only defending themselves when the war both started and ended outside their territory. And the Swedes only lost that day because Charles XII wasn't feeling well. There should be a re-match.

  22. No goverment sites was attacked by a_n_d_e_r_s · · Score: 1

    It was just commersial newspapers. Public service companies was not targeted and their web sites was not down during the attack.

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    1. Re:No goverment sites was attacked by ddtmm · · Score: 1

      I visited all the sites listed. They all load fast. Not sure what the problem is.

  23. Sweden has two government websites? by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

    Such profligacy.

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  24. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ask the president of Uruguay about persons of interest to the USA and going between countries.

  25. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    Considering that there are people that have evaded the Vietnam War Drafts in Sweden that aren't extradited then it's not too likely he would be sent to the US.

    Today Assange is a moot point anyway, he's actually not that important (he may think so himself, but that's another issue). Also realize that he was primarily wanted for a hearing. If that hearing hadn't yielded anything of value then he would most likely have been sent on his way. As it is now he basically imprisoned himself at the embassy. The time he spent at the embassy is also very likely to have exceeded any imprisonment by a great deal when it comes to a first time offense in Sweden. People sent to prison for 6 months are often let out after 3 provided they don't behave badly.

    So it's hardly likely that it was Assange that was the factor that drove this attack. It's more likely that it had something to do with submarines or islamists.

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  26. Russia is not behind this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get real. A large part of the bot-net used is infected computers in Russia, just that. I understand why someone would want parts of Swedish media to literally shut up, because there IS a huge amount of bullshit propaganda coming out from them, but this is not the Russian government's doing, it's some bunch of hackers with access to a large botnet. They might as well be American for all we know.

  27. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by johanw · · Score: 1

    You should hear some Americans talk about that skirmisch they call "civil war".

  28. It is the Russians by Cederic · · Score: 1, Troll

    There's a level of irony that the confirmation this is the Russian state is the sheer volume of astroturf posts on here.

    Just check the Anonymous Coward posts. It's truly comical.

    1. Re:It is the Russians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's comical is how someone like yourself, a successful victim of the propaganda and demonization of Russia, China, India, South America etc., is seeing Russians everywhere, and posting to let us know about it.

    2. Re:It is the Russians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree that there is some hardcore demonization of Russia and China going on.

      However, how do you respond to the accusation that the Russian governments have told their citizens before that they will not punish, prosecute or even discourage them from targetting Americans with malware and other malicious code and attacks?

    3. Re:It is the Russians by Nostalgia4Infinity · · Score: 1

      And you went out of your way to prove his point.

    4. Re: It is the Russians by Stoutlimb · · Score: 0

      Unilaterally redrawing European borders in Ukraine with military arms earns whatever demonization Russia gets.

    5. Re:It is the Russians by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Ha! That didn't take long, did it?
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    6. Re: It is the Russians by aralin · · Score: 2

      I give you that sure. Now when is US going to stop the annexation of Guantanamo Bay? And please, don't give me any of that crap you lawfully rent it from the Cubans against their will. :)

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  29. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you are a paid shill are you not?

  30. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by GNious · · Score: 1

    Also, Poltava isn't in Russia, it is in Ukraine.

    To be fair, he did say Nonorossia, which is Putin-speak for Ukraine.

  31. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The parent is bullshit, probably written by a Russian agent, modded up by a sock-puppet account.

    This attack has nothing to do with Assange, at all. The current facts are the following:

    1. We have seen an highly increased activity by Russian under-cover agents travelling in Sweden, taking special interest in our infrastructure.
    2. We know Russia is reinforcing its forces in the Kaliningrad area, they are adding more troops, additional and more modern aircraft and more modern SAMs with much longer range, and they are building more landing-crafts.
    3. We know that the big thing in Russia lately have been "the restoration". The reinstatement of the Soviet Union, and re-establishment of Russians as the eastern European master race.
    4. Putin is getting old. He's getting increasingly desperate about his legacy, and restoring the Soviet Union is way out of his power, and outright dangerous. Outright occupation of the Baltic states, Poland or the former Czechoslovakia is probably not possible. The only target for expansionism within reach with unclear alliances and weak defensive capacity is Sweden. Putin might gamble that Sweden could be a new Czechoslovakia. If he could get it, or juicy parts of it, like Gotland, he'd create a substantial legacy, and put NATO in a very bad situation on it's flank. The real risk here is that Putin gets too tempted, gets blinded by his ambition and completely disregard the risk that Sweden instead of becoming a new Czechoslovakia becomes a new Poland.
    5. Russia at the moment are running numerous psy-ops both in their own country, and in Sweden. We have already seen fake "letters", purportedly written by high-ranking Swedish officials circulated in Russian media, and we've seen high-ranking Swedish officials and journalist repeating the Russian talking points.
    6. We see an increasing amount of sock-puppets like the parent, run form Moscow, trying to destabilize Sweden, and tarnish it's reputation abroad.

    The sum of all the facts is that Russia is preparing its military for a action in the west, and they are preparing their population for a war with Sweden by spreading disinformation and pulling up old historical crap, like claiming Sweden wants revenge for Polatava and what not. (In fact relatively few Swedes would even know about Poltava, much less give two shits about it), and preparing the way in Sweden by psy-ops to try to destabilize the society by sowing dissent and create tensions between various groups and to discredit it internationally.

    The signs are worrying indeed.

  32. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by jellomizer · · Score: 0

    So Sweden is the bad guy for trying to prosecute sexual predators?

    Perhaps he should work with a more neutral country as Sweden is known for it stance on taking sides.

     

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  33. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's still relatively fresh compared to the Russo-Swedish wars. The conflict has also been conserved in memory to a much higher degree.

    There are no photographies, no memorials and extremely few - if any - letters remaining from the Russo-Swedish wars. Remember, the general populous at this time were still mostly illiterate and mail wasn't even a thing. Frankly speaking, I don't think we even know who most of the soldiers who fought it were, like their name, where they came from and in which battle they died. Those wars were something men went away to die in, in some place far, far away. Quite the difference.

  34. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wish I had mod points and wish we were both were not AC's :). Recent events in Syria could also easily be seen as a geo political "enhancement" of current refugee crisis in europe, specially sweden. Putin is choking you guys in syrian refugees. The trick here is to keep the eye on the ball and not implode into right-wing facist constructs - cause thats excatly what he wants, thats the story he's been selling at home for years. Dont make the lie come true. Handle the crisis AND respond to Russia with force. Turkey have the right idea.

  35. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by dwillden · · Score: 1

    Further Assange never broke US law. He didn't steal the classified information. Manning did. He didn't reveal the classified information to unauthorized persons (he is one). Manning did. The US has no case against him, he never signed an SF-12 NDA regarding classified information. The old Intel community joke of I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill you is wrong. It should be I'd tell you but then I'd have to kill myself is more accurate. A non-cleared person is not at fault when a person with a clearance reveals classified information to them.

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  36. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, we're not. We simply don't care. The only people who care about the battle of Poltava are historians, and people in Russia who are so stupid and ignorant they think Swedes are as easily played as they are themselves.

  37. Ineffective by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody but the attackers will ever know what propaganda are they talking about. Since the access to the sites is disrupted, nobody can go see the propaganda and verify its existence. When the attacks are over the interested part of the population have already forgotten that there was somebody who claimed the propaganda existing. DDoS is like the radio interference during the Cold War, ineffective.

  38. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    going to Sweden would mean extradition to the US?

    If the US wanted to get their hands on him, they'd have done it while he was in custody in the UK.

  39. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, because governments and nation states are honest. What you see is what they mean.

  40. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    Which is exactly why I continue to believe that America will do nothing to him. We have nothing on him. OTOH, Sweden does and may go after him.

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  41. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by bytesex · · Score: 0

    He didn't reveal the classified information to unauthorized persons (he is one).

    Assange had need-to-know on the American classified data? That seems unlikely...

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  42. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

    Modern DDOS are botnets. You don't need, and few have, a giant pipe from their computer sufficient to deny a company or government anymore, as they themselves have cheap large connections for daily business.

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  43. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Z00L00K · · Score: 1

    And since he's not an US citizen he's the one outside the fence that did receive it. And if he did receive it outside US turf then he can at worst be prosecuted on that turf for something.

    The only thing left for the US to do is to discredit him, kill him illegally or just stress him to do something stupid.

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  44. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We have nothing on him.

    I wouldn't find that particularly comforting in his position to be honest. It doesn't make that much difference, at least in the short to medium term.

  45. Can only mean one thing: by fard69 · · Score: 1

    Invasion.

  46. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So Sweden is the bad guy for trying to prosecute sexual predators?

    LOL Sweden welcome migrant rapists. Also Assange is not even accused of rape. Go spam your propaganda to Jezabel or some other trash publication.

  47. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Considering that there are people that have evaded the Vietnam War Drafts in Sweden that aren't extradited then.." You think Assange is accused of something that trivial?

  48. Russians Trolls vs Rest of the World by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/03/20/the-baltic-elves-taking-on-pro-russian-trolls.html

  49. In Soviet Russia, pining for the fiords is YOU by swschrad · · Score: 0

    guess what, the Russkies can't browbeat Sweden. so they try to isolate them. makes no difference whether it's state-sponsored or state-"oh, gee, we couldn't possibly have miscreants inside our borders" not-officially-sponsored. free interchange of ideas and Putinism don't mix well.

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  50. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's likely that the immigrants did not flow into Europe before Russian bombing?
    It's likely that the ISIS "is stronger" before Russian bombing?
    Fuck you both for your stupidity!

  51. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your second paragraph is full of errors.

    The country is called Venäjä (Finnish) or Venemaa (Estonian)

    It has no relation to 'vene' (fi/ee for 'boat'), but derives from a proto-Germanic word for 'slav' according to wiktionary.

    Sweden is called 'Ruotsi' in Finnish and 'Rootsi' in Estonian.

    The Finnish ethnic slur for Russians is 'ryssä' which comes from the Swedish 'ryss' (not pejorative in Swedish.)

    There are no words that sound like 'Rossi' that would refer to either Sweden or Russia in Finnish.

  52. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, because Greenwald is really living a life in a work camp because of publishing all of Snowden's stuff? Nope, he is living quite comfortably in Brazil.

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  53. Re: Sweden gets what they deserve by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Yeah, just like the US did to Glenn Greenwald for publishing all that stuff Snowden gave him. I hear he is dying from all the hard labor they put him to.

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  54. Re:Sweden gets what they deserve by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    Also Assange is not even accused of rape.

    http://www.theatlantic.com/int...

    Considering the only charge left is rape, how do you get to that assertion?

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