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Researcher Measures Brain Reactions To Donald Trump (cnn.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Sam Barnett "has been strapping electrode caps on focus group participants and showing them primary season debates," reports CNN, and there's one clear conclusion. "Seeing Trumps face, hearing Trump's voice, lights up the brain." His data captured big surges in neural activity for hot-button topics like immigration, and revealed that while Marco Rubio actually triggered slightly more brain activity among men, Trump clearly produced the highest reactions among women and overall. "The focus group participants might have been excited by Trump. Or they might have been repulsed," reports CNN. "But one thing was for sure: they weren't bored." Barnett has also used electroencephalography (or EEG) to study advertising, and in the future he hopes to also apply it to other complex forms of brain stimulation like movies and even hedge-fund investing.

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  1. Lie detector by fustakrakich · · Score: 1, Funny

    Not to see if Trump is lying, that's a given :-), but if you are

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    1. Re:Lie detector by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

      From Scott Adams' blog:

      But as I learned in school, you can’t compare something to nothing. You need to compare the risk of a Trump presidency to the alternatives. And that alternative is probably a Clinton presidency that is not too different from the current presidency.

      So how risky would “more of the same” be?

      Budget-wise, we are probably on the road to ruin. The more-of-the-same president is unlikely to stop the special interests and big money players from bloating the budget to the point of crushing debt.

      Nor would we have any reason to expect the economy to have any extra zip under a more-of-the-same scenario. So no matter how bad you think Trump might be for the economy, the more-of-the-same alternative is probably a pathway to crushing debts and financial doom.

      And once the economy dies, we all die. So as risks go, “more of the same” might be the highest risk of all. The only way we would escape economic doom under the more-of-the-same scenario is for some unpredictable future event to change our direction in a positive way. Is that likely?

      Trump, on the other hand, is an unpredictable future event that can change just about anything, as we have already learned. So in terms of economic risk, Clinton is a path to probable budget doom whereas Trump can go either way.

    2. Re:Lie detector by Plus1Entropy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah, everyone always forgets the President is in charge of the budget.

      Oh wait, I have that backwards.

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    3. Re:Lie detector by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Can anyone spot the logical fallacy in the above quoted post from Scott Adams?

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    4. Re:Lie detector by Aighearach · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Can anyone spot the logical fallacy in the above quoted post from Scott Adams?

      No, but I can spot the fallacy in your statement. The first instance of the word "the." ;)

    5. Re:Lie detector by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Not sure about Adams, but "budget-wise" we can go on indefinitely, much more "smoothly" under Clinton than Trump, by a long shot.

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    6. Re:Lie detector by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No

      Then let me help you:

      "So no matter how bad you think Trump might be for the economy, the more-of-the-same alternative is probably a pathway to crushing debts and financial doom...Trump, on the other hand, is an unpredictable future event that can change just about anything"

      Note the confluence of "probably", "unpredictable" and "can change just about anything".

      Think about ceilings and floors. Give it a little time, it will come to you.

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    7. Re:Lie detector by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:Lie detector by Baloroth · · Score: 1

      You, uh, you may want to work a bit on that reading comprehension.

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    9. Re:Lie detector by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      An observation! I have nothing to opine.

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    10. Re:Lie detector by gweihir · · Score: 1

      You overestimate the mental capabilities of the typical /. poser. (No, not a typo.)

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    11. Re:Lie detector by ranton · · Score: 2, Informative

      This all assumes increased debt is the worst thing which could happen to the economy. It isn't, not by a long shot.

      The United States has a net worth of about $124 trillion in 2014 (source). The total federal deficit is about $19 trillion and the federal deficit is $500 billion. But the total US net worth grows by far more than $500 billion per year, so it is very misleading to say the deficit is a large problem. For instance, the total net worth of US households and non-profits grew by $10 trillion in 2014 alone. If I am going $5000 in debt each year, but my total net worth is growing by $10,000 each year, I am still in a pretty good position.

      The risk of damaging the economy with drastic measures is far more dangerous than going a few trillion more in debt. Current federal debt levels are really not that bad when put into perspective, although understandably it is very hard for people to put $500 billion in perspective. But to make it easier, the US is a household with a $248,000 house with $38,000 left on their mortgage, and a family budget losing about $100 per month. That is not a dire situation.

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    12. Re:Lie detector by Aighearach · · Score: 2

      Give it a little more time, and you'll figure out why I pointed out the word "the." Why would I say that? Would it imply that I didn't find any, or does it actually say something else?

    13. Re:Lie detector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      I don't trust NY times when it comes to Trump or Trump related facts. The reason is simple: they hate Trump more than they like the truth.

      I went in and checked their fact check. They have one stating that America has the highest tax rate in the world. NYT states Denmark has the highest tax rate. That would be bad news for Sanders as he seems to want to copy Denmark.

      However doing a bit of digging, Trump says America has the highest tax rate "for companies". I don't recall the numbers offhand, but for companies it was something like 46% for America and 19% for Denmark. In fact just short of 20% seems not that uncommon in Europe. I didn't verify Trump's claim, but NYT's argument is a lie. Denmark does NOT have a higher tax rate for companies than America.

      Trump calls NYT the worst newspaper for them all and he have stated that the media tend to tell lies when it is regarding politics. Sure NYT claims Trump to lie, but it doesn't look good for NYT with their incorrect fact check. Also if I remember correctly NYT endorsed Obama, revealing that they aren't that likely to like any republican.

    14. Re:Lie detector by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I don't trust NY times when it comes to Trump or Trump related facts. The reason is simple: they hate Trump more than they like the truth.

      The link was to a story that has nothing whatsoever to do with Trump.

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    15. Re:Lie detector by swb · · Score: 1

      I tend to agree that debt as measured by picture fiscal policy isn't a significant risk.

      What I find at risk in the economy is any sense of wage growth or the ability of the economy to sustain something like a middle class. My gut instinct is that historically, political economies tend towards plutocracies where significant control is in the hands of a small number of very rich people. A political economy with a viable democracy, a middle class and socioeconomic mobility are unusual byproducts of a set of uncommon historical circumstances and are easily eroded by concentrations of wealth that lead to concentrations of political power.

      Sustaining democracy and a middle-class centric political economy requires significant regulation to maintain them, much like the useful work of a machine requires significant regulation to keep it running. Without that regulation, entropy sets in.

    16. Re:Lie detector by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I find that's true if you look at just a few posts. If you take the time to read a bunch of them then they begin to look a bit less obtuse. Try reading a few from different time periods, when he wrote about different things, and he almost becomes a person with a consistent view. You can then better judge his merits, if you're into that and wanting to make the effort.

      In my opinion, he doesn't improve much when I do that but he does improve a little. He's certainly not someone that I'd want in office or making policy decisions for anything more complicated than the week's grocery list. However, he does improve a bit when you see more of him and think about the times when he made those posts.

      I take that back. It's a marked improvement. It's still not enough to where I'd want him in charge of anything more than the aforementioned grocery list.

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    17. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Congress can't pass a budget that the President won't sign, so it goes both ways.

      Our current President has been impossible to work with, so in return Congress has largely refused to work with him, that also goes both ways, but since he is one and they are many, he needed to show leadership.

      Which he doesn't have.

      Clinton? Congress won't work with her either, so more of the same.

    18. Re:Lie detector by kevmeister · · Score: 1

      For those not familiar with U.S. Federal budgeting, the President traditionally submits a budget proposal every year. There is no legal requirement to do so, but it has been done since the first President. The budget submitted has no legal significance at all and is sometimes simply ignored by the House of Representatives. The Constitution requires all legislation related to authorization and appropriation must originate with the House. Once approved by the House, it moves to the Senate. They may amend the legislation and, once both houses approve, it is then sent to the President for signature or veto. This is the first and only legal involvement of the President. If vetoed, it may still be approved if 2/3 of both houses agree to do so.

      Both sides of this current sad parody of a government of statesmen blame the other for everything including things over which they have no control. Neither side is willing to compromise in any meaningful way and even auto commercials claim that only the weak ever compromise.

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    19. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, everyone always forgets the President is in charge of the budget.
      Oh wait, I have that backwards.

      And don't forget the two big levers on his desk, marked "Gas Prices" and "Stock Market", which everyone apparently believes he can yank back and forth at will.

      The fact is that the president controls almost nothing. He has some influence, but not much. In most cases he deserves neither the blame nor the credit for most of what goes on in the country.

      The president has to work very hard to make things better, and making things better is an uncertain outcome, even with the best of intentions.

      The sad corollary to that is that it's easy to fuck stuff up and make things worse. Making things worse is blissfully easy. It should be the other way around, but it's not.

      Please note that this applies to every president who's ever held the reins of power, from George Washington on up, and it'll apply to every one of them in the future as well.

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    20. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Our current President has been impossible to work with, so in return Congress has largely refused to work with him

      Bullshit. The Republicans in Congress have opposed practically every goddamn thing he's put forth, starting with "make him a one-term president", to refusing to consider anything he's proposed even when it was something they originally came up with. And now the Republicans won't even consider holding hearings on a Supreme Court nominee, which is their fucking job.

      The Republicans shut down the government rather than work with him, or did that little fact slip your memory?

      So don't give me this fucking horsecrap about how he's been "impossible to work with", it's just plain bullshit. The obstructionism Obama has received has exceeded anything I've seen in 50+ years of watching our government at work. Form the Birtherism crap to the "he's a Muslim" nonsense, this Congress has been blatantly partisan in the extreme.

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    21. Re: Lie detector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We'll just ignore the fact that the US dollar-denominated assets are in the biggest bubble of all bubbles, and that all assets are tremendously over-valued. No mind, we can just double the money supply every few years to prop up said asset prices. Rinse, repeat ad infinitum. Everybody wins.

    22. Re:Lie detector by Cyberpunk+Reality · · Score: 2

      Would you rather get another shitburger, or play Russian roulette? That's the Clinton v. Trump "choice". Anyone who thinks a New York billionaire who wasted half his inheritance playing at being a real estate developer is going to change anything is so gullible they make the most ardent Clinton fan look like a sophisticated cynic.

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    23. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Republicans shut down the government rather than work with him, or did that little fact slip your memory?

      When "working with him" means doing what he wants, what exactly would you expect?

      Obama walked in and thought he could do what he wanted. Thus you've gotten 8 years of a bunch of nothing, other than the disaster that ACA has been, and even that was only passed due to a one day gap in the Senate and couldn't have been done any other day.

    24. Re:Lie detector by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

      Can anyone spot the logical fallacy in the above quoted post from Scott Adams?

      Quoting from Scott Adams?

      His cartoon was occasionally funny, but otherwise he's a pontificating idiot.

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    25. Re:Lie detector by khchung · · Score: 1

      So no matter how bad you think Trump might be for the economy, the more-of-the-same alternative is probably a pathway to crushing debts and financial doom.

      By this logic, cancer patients should try jumping off cliffs. "Since you are going to die anyway, anything is worth trying!" only sounds logical to fools.

      The correct thinking is -- "No matter how bad you think things are now, it definitely could get worse." This applies to everything as long as you live, you could only hit "rock bottom" when you are dead.

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    26. Re:Lie detector by TapeCutter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm 12,000 miles away and I've recently heard republican senators say that they would not confirm anybody for SC justice that Obama picked, simply because Obama picked them. That is childish obstructionism and a clear dereliction of duty, Trump is the Frankenstein candidate the republicans created with 20yrs of anti-intellectual rhetoric.He has divided the GOP and in so doing has handed the election to the democrats on a silver platter.

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    27. Re:Lie detector by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      It doesn't matter what rate the US charge when they allow US companies to pay Irish taxes instead of the US taxes.

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    28. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm 12,000 miles away and I've recently heard republican senators say that they would not confirm anybody for SC justice that Obama picked, simply because Obama picked them. That is childish obstructionism and a clear dereliction of duty

      Nonsense... The Senate doesn't have to confirm anyone they don't want to confirm...

      The President nominates people, but the Senate either confirms or rejects them...

      The Senate has unlimited power to reject any and all people nominated by the President, it forces the President to pick someone acceptable to many people, not just him.

    29. Re:Lie detector by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Our current President has been impossible to work with,

      [...]

      Clinton? Congress won't work with her either,

      Doublethink is the price of conservatism.

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    30. Re:Lie detector by vux984 · · Score: 2

      it forces the President to pick someone acceptable to many people, not just him.

      Which is EXACTLY what he did. His nomination is someone the republicans publically said would be a good pick right up until Obama nominated him.

      At this point Obama could nominate Scalia's clone and the Senate STILL wouldn't confirm just because Obama nominated him.

    31. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That is just political posturing. If Obama actually nominated someone with the viewpoints and stance of Scalia, the Senate would confirm him in 2 seconds.

    32. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Informative

      Clinton has pissed in too many cereal bowls, made too many backroom deals. She's damaged goods...

      Frankly, the R controlled Congress could work with Sanders better than it could Clinton, he at least is honest about his viewpoints and isn't bought and paid for.

      While I disagree with many things Sanders says, I do respect him. Clinton? Nope, she's dog meat as far as I'm concerned, nothing she says means anything because she just lies, lies, and lies.

      If she is on the Ticket, then it doesn't matter who the other name is, the ballot might as well say:

      [ ] Clinton
      [ ] Not-Clinton

      If it ended up being Sanders vs. Trump, I'd actually have to give that some thought, because while he is a socialist, Trump is a bit nuts.

      Reality is somewhere in between the two of them. Shame we can't toss them in a blender and take the best parts out and throw away the trash of both sides.

    33. Re:Lie detector by Britz · · Score: 1

      I think once you go hyperbole the whole discussion is already lost anyways.

      "road to ruin"

      "crushing debt"

      "financial doom"

      "budget doom"

      If you are looking at the apocalypse, drastic measures are needed right away. But taking a step back I doubt that there is such a thing as doom or ruin coming to the US. But if you believe in those things or use those terms, no matter if it is about Mexicans, terrorism, China, debt, Illuminati or climate change, the cause is lost anyways.

      I was surprised to see Scott Adams' fascination with Donald Trump, since Trump resembles the pointy-haired boss from his comic. Reading the comic frequently might give some insight, since Adams' seems to have developed a soft spot for his protagonist as well, IMHO. Just like he seems to have grown to like Trump. He shied away from openly endorsing Trump for a long time, even though his preference became quite obvious over time.

      I suppose no matter how obnoxious he is, if you watch him for too long, it is difficult to resist his charm. Though as opposed to Adams I find it far more interesting to research Trump's supporters and see why they support him than analyzing Trump himself, since I believe Trump isn't that difficult to figure out. He simply combines Fox News' methods (which have been dissected over and over) with a sleazy car salesman routine and simply being very good at selling. See here:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    34. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Which is EXACTLY what he did.

      Meh, almost kinda sorta... He was fine in the past for non-SCOTUS positions, but he is too liberal to replace Antonin Scalia.

      It would shift the balance on the SCOTUS, which is already too far left.

      At this point Obama could nominate Scalia's clone and the Senate STILL wouldn't confirm just because Obama nominated him.

      Don't be silly, of course they would.

    35. Re:Lie detector by buck-yar · · Score: 1

      That edginess

    36. Re:Lie detector by buck-yar · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Clinton = Corrupt, evil. Sanders = Far left but an honest good person.

      I wouldn't say Trump is nuts, more like brutally honest. What's crazy is not pandering to the media and all the politically correct crowd.

    37. Re:Lie detector by buck-yar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seems to me the Republicans are the ones to always cave.

      And you speak as though compromise is a good thing..

    38. Re: Lie detector by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The important point (which gets confused) is that the US has one of the higher "official" corporate tax rates BUT the actual amount taxes paid by corporations is among the lowest (because of special deductions and loopholes) .

    39. Re:Lie detector by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about Adams, or Trump?

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    40. Re: Lie detector by jxander · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nothing honest about it. He'll lie to your face if it'll improve his polls. He's a showman, and certainly entertaining. His his relationship with the truth is tenuous as best, if not entirely accidental.

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    41. Re: Lie detector by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      To translate that to Clinton you only need a couple of changes: Nothing honest about her. She'll lie to your face if it'll improve her polls. She's a politician, and certainly non-stop scandals are entertaining. Her relationship with the truth is tenuous as best, if not entirely accidental.

    42. Re:Lie detector by The-Ixian · · Score: 1

      You do realize that under the previous Clinton the country actually had a budget surplus right?

      We started running a deficit again under Bush.

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    43. Re:Lie detector by Karlt1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nonsense... The Senate doesn't have to confirm anyone they don't want to confirm...

      They refuse to hold hearings. Isn't that the minimum due diligence?

    44. Re:Lie detector by godamntheman · · Score: 1

      The President nominates people, but the Senate either confirms or rejects them...

      Except the Senate refuses to do either. Instead, they are rejecting their constitutional duty. They prefer to tie the justice branch to the executive election for some reason. Justice John Roberts (nominated by W. Bush) had an interesting piece on the whole process that should give the Republican controlled senate some thought. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03...

    45. Re:Lie detector by NetNed · · Score: 1

      Ah yeahhhh not much of a fan of history huh?

    46. Re:Lie detector by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Meh, almost kinda sorta... He was fine in the past for non-SCOTUS positions, but he is too liberal to replace Antonin Scalia.

      Since when is a seat on the Supreme Court reserved for someone of a particular political bent?

      Your comment that SCOTUS is already too far left is just your personal opinion.

      When the previous two seats that Obama filled came up Merrick Garland was a name that Republicans like Orrin Hatch mentioned.

    47. Re: Lie detector by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      The important point (which gets confused) is that the US has one of the higher "official" corporate tax rates BUT the actual amount taxes paid by corporations is among the lowest (because of special deductions and loopholes) .

      Sigh... simpleton.

      Only the chosen get the special deductions and loopholes. Try this one on for size:

      The federal government has imposed the highest tax rates in the word on all the industries that do not generously lobby the federal government.

      End all corporate taxes. Seriously. I'm talking to both democrats and republicans here. End em all now you fucking morons.

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    48. Re:Lie detector by Mike+Van+Pelt · · Score: 1

      The United States has a higher corporate tax rate than Cuba. Cuba.

    49. Re:Lie detector by iMadeGhostzilla · · Score: 1

      Another Criteria for me is Clinton has the most wrongful deaths on her account -- thousands in the least from Libya alone, compared to probably zero for others. And while the lowest Trump has been was mocking a disabled person (which is quite low), Hillary mocked a dead person -- Gaddhafi -- with her famous line "we came, we saw, he died, hahaha."

    50. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      They refuse to hold hearings. Isn't that the minimum due diligence?

      So you'd be happier if they held a hearing and then said "pass"?

      What's the difference?

      The R team has clearly decided to wait until the election. The D team doesn't have to like it, but there isn't much they can do about it.

      If YOU don't like it, vote D. :) If you do, vote R.

    51. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Except the Senate refuses to do either. Instead, they are rejecting their constitutional duty.

      Would you feel better if they held a 5 min hearing and said "no thanks"? Would that somehow make you feel like they did their duty?

      Justice John Roberts (nominated by W. Bush) had an interesting piece on the whole process that should give the Republican controlled senate some thought.

      He is welcome to his opinion of course, but the idea of leaving politics out of it is simply not possible.

      Because so many laws are now "written" by the SCOTUS, it is now political. Frankly, who gets on the SCOTUS next may well be more important than who becomes the next President, other than the fact that the next President might be able to nominate multiple judges.

      The path that the liberals want to take us down would be a disaster, frankly, if the Republicans keep control of the Senate and Clinton becomes President, then they can simply refuse to accept anyone for 4 years as far as I'm concerned.

    52. Re:Lie detector by KGIII · · Score: 1

      I don't see how it could be referencing Trump. ;-) If you take what he has to say, en masse and in total, he still doesn't approach that of a person with character and consistency.

      Actually, I don't think Trump's that terrible a person. I'm not sure that I'd want him to be president and I'm very, very unlikely to vote for him even though I don't think he's as horrible as people are trying to make him out to be. I went through a stretch where I listened to Fox News (I had my reasons) and much of what I heard from him were things taken out of context or pithy remarks that are no worse than any other candidate in the grand scheme of things.

      But, we like to be outraged.

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    53. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Since when is a seat on the Supreme Court reserved for someone of a particular political bent?

      Since the SCOTUS started writing laws.

      Abortion is legal in the US, not because of an act of Congress, but because of the SCOTUS.

      Your comment that SCOTUS is already too far left is just your personal opinion.

      Yes, of course it is. I want a SCOTUS that respects the Constitution and the freedoms that we hold dear.

      John Roberts is a traitor to the US, his siding with the liberals on ACA thus forcing citizens to buy a private product from a private company will be (or should be) looked at in 50 years as one of the gravest mistakes of our era.

      The irony is that I am actually ok with single payer health care. I'm not against the idea of universal health care. I just don't believe the ACA is constitutional and John Roberts was wrong.

      Citizens should never be required to buy anything from a private company, just by existing. (I can not buy a car, and thus not need car insurance, but I can't not live and avoid private health insurance)

      By contrast, Universal Healthcare would be "providing for the general welfare of the people", and thus within Congress's power.

    54. Re: Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Nothing honest about it. He'll lie to your face if it'll improve his polls. He's a showman, and certainly entertaining. His his relationship with the truth is tenuous as best, if not entirely accidental.

      Yea, but the same is true of Clinton.

      Frankly, Trump wasn't wrong when he said that he could shoot someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue and not lose support.

      If my choice is Trump or Clinton, then there is no choice, it is Trump. Even if he shot someone.

      I can easily rationalize that by remembering that Clinton is responsible for FAR more deaths and she isn't remotely honest about it. Trump would shoot someone and just say "yep, I did it, so what!"

      Yea, that would make him kinda sleazy, but frankly the hate and contempt for Clinton is so strong, Trump could shoot a dozen people and I'd still vote for him over her.

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      The Democrats are morons to be running Clinton, they could crush Trump in a landslide if they ran Sanders or someone "respectable". Even Joe Biden would be fine.

      Anyone but Clinton.

    55. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      That is why a Sanders vs. Trump would be so hard...

      I'm right-wing, Sanders is left wing. But I think Sanders is more trustworthy than Trump is.

      If it is Clinton vs. Trump, that's easy, I'll pick the "Not Clinton" option. It could be bozo the clown, I don't care.

      The Democrats are nuts to be behind Clinton, they could so easily beat Trump with almost anyone else.

    56. Re:Lie detector by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

      ... this Congress has been blatantly partisan in the extreme.

      Ok, so what is your excuse for when the Democrats controlled congress and they could steam roll anything they wanted through. That's how we ended up with BS from the (non) affordable care act to Frank Dodd. Not even they would pass one of his budgets. Not even they could stomach it. Of course that was by design. They haven't passed a budget since GW Bush, when he bailed out GM, banks and so on. They just keep running it up and up and up, so we have a 20T debt now. Yea, where is all that money going? Answer me that.

      Wake up, Obama is the worst in history. Even Jimmy Carter - the previous worst in history realized it and said so.

      As for one term and so on, a guy at work said that too. I pulled up where Democrats said EXACTLY the same thing (Scheumer for the SCOTUS appt to Reid for other stuff), to Bush and others. All they could come up with is - well just because they did it too doesn't make it right. Complete capitulation on that point.

      Even Bill Clinton mentioned Obama's awful legacy. Hear it from Bill himself if you don't believe it, right about 48 seconds in - http://www.thegatewaypundit.co...

      Ok, now for the usual name calling? Threats? What the crazy left often does.

      50+ years of watching the govt work? That was a good one. Too old to remember maybe? Clearly you forgot about Regan and even Nixon. With Nixon they tried to do a coup and failed. They got Spiro and then went after tricky Dick himself. This guy has had a cake walk. No scrutiny from the press at all. Just some token statements for a token president.

    57. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      SCOTUS, too far to the left, what the hell planet do you live on?

      One in which the US Constitution still applies...

      Freedom of Speech

      Freedom of Religion

      Freedom to Keep and Bare Arms

      Freedom from Unreasonable Search and Seizures

      Those things...

    58. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      You aren't. You can opt to pay a penalty and there are some alternatives you can pursue if you want other means.

      Then it isn't free choice, now is it?

      A choice that isn't one is a lie. That is like saying someone who is being robbed at gunpoint didn't HAVE to give up their money, it was their CHOICE to give it up. Yea, that doesn't fly there, it doesn't fly when they say "buy private health insurance... or else..."

      Wouldn't have happened, the insurance companies would have done anything to prevent it.

      That is the people's problem for electing stupid Congress people then, isn't it? It doesn't make violating the law, the Constitution, and basic morality right, now does it?

    59. Re:Lie detector by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Since when is a seat on the Supreme Court reserved for someone of a particular political bent?

      Since the SCOTUS started writing laws.

      Try as I might I can't make sense of that.

      Abortion is legal in the US, not because of an act of Congress, but because of the SCOTUS.

      I see abortion as a matter of personal freedom and privacy which is well within the purview of the SCOTUS.

      Yes, of course it is. I want a SCOTUS that respects the Constitution and the freedoms that we hold dear.

      Me too. I guess we just have different views of what that means.

      John Roberts is a traitor to the US, his siding with the liberals on ACA thus forcing citizens to buy a private product from a private company will be (or should be) looked at in 50 years as one of the gravest mistakes of our era.

      Hopefully in 50 years it will be looked on as the first step to universal coverage like practically all the other first world countries already have.

    60. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Try as I might I can't make sense of that.

      Then that probably explains why you don't see a problem...

      Of course, to me, it is plain as day, the SCOTUS has clearly written judgement that resulted in law being effectively written.

      Abortion is the easy example, but there are many others.

      I see abortion as a matter of personal freedom and privacy which is well within the purview of the SCOTUS.

      Well, I guess some people are bound to support murder of innocent children as ok, but usually they don't say so out loud.

      That is all abortion is, murder. The irony is that many places WILL charge you with double murder if you kill a woman who carries an unborn child, yet the mother is free to kill that child. The irony is sad.

      Hopefully in 50 years it will be looked on as the first step to universal coverage like practically all the other first world countries already have.

      So you're saying the ends justify the means? No matter what rights you have to trample on in the process, so long as you get what you want, it is all ok?

      Spoken like a true liberal who has no moral compass.

    61. Re:Lie detector by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      You know there are a couple of places in the Bible that imply life doesn't begin until you're first breath. Personally for me it's a matter of when a fetus is able to survive on it's own rather than as a parasite on a woman. Given modern medicine that's a kind of fuzzy definition but it's what I believe. Did you know that some 60-70% of fertilized eggs spontaneously abort within the first couple of weeks? That's a lot of embryo souls in heaven.

    62. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Personally for me it's a matter of when a fetus is able to survive on it's own rather than as a parasite on a woman.

      Thankfully for the rest of civilization, what you personally feel doesn't really matter.

      It isn't a subjective opinion, it is a fact. Aborting a child is murder. If the child does not survive, well, that is life and things happen. But if you take action to end a life, that is murder.

    63. Re:Lie detector by mjwx · · Score: 1

      Clinton has pissed in too many cereal bowls, made too many backroom deals. She's damaged goods...

      I'm not an American, but you lot make it hard to ignore US politics so you're getting my 2 pence anyway...

      You've demonstrated the biggest problem with US politics here and it's something you see a lot more from the Republican side than the Democrat side. The Republicans know they dont have a candidate with an actual chance. Trump is the most popular one and he hasn't got a chance in hell of being president so they've resorted to personal attacks in an attempt to poison the well. Its the same thing we've seen with Obama for the last 8 odd years, because they couldn't actually find a problem with Obama or the Democrat policies, they've had to resort to questioning his birth, religion, choice of pants, so on and so forth. So they're doing the same with Clinton (who realistically has the sanest economic policies) because they know that they're chances of winning means that they may as well start calling her Madam President right here and now.

      When you go after the person, not the policies you're demonstrating that not only do you fail to find fault with their policies, but you also cant find any merit in your own.

      Some countries have a complete black ban on political advertising for a week before the election, personally I think this is a good thing as when the shit slinging ceases, people cant talk about actual policies and maybe be a tiny bit informed about the potential repercussions.

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    64. Re:Lie detector by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      If you're going to start distrusting everyone who hates Trump you're going to find your sources of information are going to be both limited and "interesting".

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    65. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Ok, so what is your excuse for when the Democrats controlled congress and they could steam roll anything they wanted through.

      What makes you think I'd have or want an excuse for that? It's wrong no matter which side does it. If we had a Republican president and the Democrats were obstructing him the way the Republicans have obstructed Obama, you'd hear me decrying that just as loudly.

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    66. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      The Republicans shut down the government rather than work with him, or did that little fact slip your memory?

      Are you sure that is the way it went?

      http://www.washingtontimes.com...

      Or if you mean the budget

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      So, who was not doing their job? The Republicans tried to do exactly what has always been done on every bill, negotiate with the other side. Obama called them terrorists and refused to negotiate, so was shut out. As soon as negotiations started, the issue was resolved. You have an odd memory of these issues.

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    67. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I see abortion as a matter of personal freedom and privacy which is well within the purview of the SCOTUS.

      I see abortion as murder, which it is. The choice was made when sex was engaged in. The only time that abortion should be allowed is in cases of rape or where having a child would kill the mother/harm the child. Otherwise, you are murdering someone because they are inconvenient. If you aren't ready to have children, there is always adoption, which helps couples who are unable to have children.

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    68. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      FYI, the past two elections had 6 names on the ballot, not two. There are other options. I am not sure about the other ballots, but I looked those two up recently to make a point.

      So, if you are picking Not Clinton, you are better throwing your vote at a third party, if they get enough votes, they get more money for the next election, which could bring about real change. I have no honest expectation that a third party candidate will win the next election, but it seems that this election is the best chance for them to breach 5% or whatever the level is to actually get some notice.

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    69. Re:Lie detector by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for you a substantial portion of the population does not agree with you.

    70. Re:Lie detector by riverat1 · · Score: 1

      Why would you allow abortion in the case of rape? That seems inconsistent to me. If you're going to allow it for rape then you should allow it in cases where birth control failed too.

    71. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Um, except what is being said about Hillary is actually true. She ran an email server at home for her official email to avoid possible investigations into her activities. When confronted for the email which is required by law to be turned over she turned over only come of her email after removing half of it as "personal email". In the half of email she turned over, there were 1000s of emails that were marked classified before being sent to her, that somehow became unmarked before she got them. Some of these emails were so blatantly classified, that there is no excuse for her not knowing it was classified information. As secretary of state, it is one of her duties to be able to determine information which should be classified, and classify it appropriately, this is called being an "original classification authority", she has no excuse that she didn't know it was classified information.

      Every single sentence above is a FELONY LAW broken. And you think that she is a better candidate because of her policies? I see policies that are blatantly against the best interests of my country, freedom, and the people.

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    72. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately for you a substantial portion of the population does not agree with you.

      True...

      Of course, once, a substantial portion of the population supported slavery. Are you suggesting that having popular support makes something ok?

      I wouldn't stand too strongly on something just because of popular support, many things have been legal at the time, were widely supported, yet are condemned today.

    73. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Funny, because I have seen Obama on numerous occasions refuse to work with the GOP when they have tried to work with him. He even repeatedly shutdown the entire federal government rather than have a discussion with the Republicans in congress. So who isn't working with who?

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

      I link to articles in that comment to support what I just said, so you can't even refute what I said.

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    74. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Because the woman didn't choose to have sex, and who would want to raise the child of a rapist. In the case of failed birth control, an actual choice was made to have sex, which is known to lead to pregnancy.

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    75. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Except, there is plenty of fault with her policies, the issue is that most people don't want to hear that.

      Unlike idiots who root for their team blindly, I can ALSO find fault with Republican policies.

      If we could sit down and have an intelligent conversation about them, I imagine we could find a quite reasonable middle ground, and it wouldn't be EITHER side's plan outright.

      There of course is much more than economic policies. Clinton is a gun grabber, she is anti-religion, and she frankly doesn't have any original thoughts, she is bought and paid for 10 times over. She has been in government now for 4 decades, she has no real idea of what real people deal with, she says and does whatever she is told to.

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      Now if you don't like Trump (and rest assured, I have my issues with him), fair enough. There are plenty of reasonable people to consider. VP Joe Biden is one, he probably could win as well and he isn't hated the way Clinton is. Even Socialist Sanders, who I don't agree with on many things, is at least respectable. I can listen to Sanders speak, I don't like everything he says, but he doesn't make me want to throw up.

      Clinton? She's worthless, not respectable, not honest, she lies, she cheats, and she isn't worth listening to. I can't watch her speak, I want to throw up every time I hear her, she is a disgusting human being.

      Even Obama, who I do not like, doesn't cause that much disgust. I've had decades to get to know Clinton, she is a horrible person.

    76. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      In reality, the president has tons of control over Wall Street and gas prices.

      Wall Street goes up and down based on the Fed's interest rate, which is why they lowered the interest rate during the recession, and again recently when Wall Street shit bricks when the rate was raised, even after the prior warning of months.

      Gas prices go up and down based on political posturing with other countries, how easy it is to get oil pumping rights (which he just recently revoked in the Atlantic), and things like refusing the application for oil pipelines that will reduce oil spills from shipping oil by rail, and lower the prices of gas in general.

      So, while the president doesn't have levers, he most assuredly has huge control over these things. However, sometimes things don't go the president's way, such as the current oil glut, which Obama wishes wasn't happening as he wants high gas prices. This glut is an intentional reaction to fracking/oil sands, and an attempt to crush Russia's economy.

       

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    77. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      distrusting everyone who hates Trump

      That is not what was said. The distrust is for media that actually resorts to lying to try and smear Trump. There is so much material that requires no lies, but they resort to lies to get what they want.

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    78. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      So, if you are picking Not Clinton, you are better throwing your vote at a third party, if they get enough votes, they get more money for the next election, which could bring about real change.

      Ideally yes, it would work that way.

      But it doesn't. Thanks to our first past the post election system, voting for a third party is actually voting AGAINST your first choice.

      https://youtu.be/s7tWHJfhiyo

      Allow me to share a very good video showing the problems of such a system, thanks CGP Gray. :)

      As long as we have our current election system, there will never be anything but two choices, and the two existing parties like it that way.

    79. Re:Lie detector by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Well, how would you feel if you found out Trump lied to you about business rates?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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    80. Re:Lie detector by godamntheman · · Score: 1

      They refuse to hold hearings. Isn't that the minimum due diligence?

      So you'd be happier if they held a hearing and then said "pass"?

      What's the difference?

      If they pass, they pass. So what? In the option you appear to be defending, the Senate refuses to do their job they were elected to do. The second option is the one where they do their job. See the difference?

    81. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      So, three countries have higher tax rates? How does that compare to NYT giving Denmark as an example of higher tax rates, while utterly ignoring that Trump said corporate tax rates?

      Denmark's corporate tax rate is 22%, while the US corporate tax rate is 35%, according to that chart. That puts the NYT on shaky ground as far as Denmark having higher taxes than the US to disprove Trump's assertion that the US charges high corporate tax rates.

      I don't have the original Trump quote, or even know what he was talking about, I was pointing out that what you said didn't actually have anything to do with what you were replying to.

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    82. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      See the difference?

      Nope, it is just a dog and pony show... there is no difference...

      I guess if you think Congress should spend their time on dog and pony shows, your point makes sense.

      Otherwise, it is silly.

    83. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Those horrible Republicans in the FBI, how dare they talk bad about a Clinton!

      The GOP has nothing going on about Hillary's mail server, it is all the FBI investigating a criminal act. Get off your political high horse and rethink your diatribe.

      I don't give a damn about what the GOP has done in the past, as they have nothing to do with this investigation, it has nothing to do with this conversation.

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    84. Re:Lie detector by godamntheman · · Score: 1

      Nope, it is just a dog and pony show... there is no difference...

      I guess if you think Congress should spend their time on dog and pony shows, your point makes sense.

      Otherwise, it is silly.

      If there is legit reason to pass on the nominee, then lets hear it. If you're so sure they'd hold a farce of a hearing, then let's see that instead. Why are you so afraid of giving an appointment their due anyway? If Obama is so bad at picking nominees, then that will surely come out in the hearing. Or maybe you're afraid the person is duly qualified, and you're just being spiteful?

    85. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      If there is legit reason to pass on the nominee, then lets hear it.

      He is too liberal and not a supporter of the US Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Specifically he is anti-gun.

      Or maybe you're afraid the person is duly qualified, and you're just being spiteful?

      No, the above makes him not qualified. Don't need a hearing to figure that out.

    86. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      In reality, the president has tons of control over Wall Street and gas prices.

      However, sometimes things don't go the president's way, such as the current oil glut, which Obama wishes wasn't happening as he wants high gas prices.

      So in other words, even though he has "tons of control", sometimes "things don't go the president's way", meaning he doesn't really have "tons of control".

      In other words, he controls it except when he doesn't. Have I got that right?

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    87. Re:Lie detector by godamntheman · · Score: 1

      So, you've gone from the president nominates candidates for a hearing to FlyHelicopters chooses who gets a hearing. Glad we cleared that up.

    88. Re:Lie detector by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      It would shift the balance on the SCOTUS, which is already too far left.

      What the fuck have you been smoking?

    89. Re:Lie detector by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      With Nixon they tried to do a coup and failed. They got Spiro and then went after tricky Dick himself.

      Yeah, because they were both proven to be fucking crooks.

    90. Re:Lie detector by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Hillary mocked a dead person -- Gaddhafi

      An avowed enemy of the U.S.
      God, you are desperate, aren't you?

    91. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Either that, or your problem isn't with abortion, and you will have to go into a whole lot of reform of the judicial system to get rid of a number of concepts, including justifiable homicide, manslaughter, and even euthanasia in some jurisdictions

      Since you won't, it's quite clear that you just lack integrity

      You know nothing about me...

      I used to be for the death penalty, until it dawned on me that taking another life was wrong, regardless of the sins committed by that person.

      I would go so far as to say I'm also against life in prison, regardless of the crime. I believe that 100 years from now we'll look back at our supermax prisons and call them "cruel and unusual punishment".

      Humans should never be treated that way and vengeance and revenge is wrong.

    92. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Aborting a child is murder.

      At the time of most abortions, the "child" you refer to is actually not even remotely viable even with the most advanced medical care available on the planet, and in many cases it's little more than a clump of cells. Calling it a "child" is disingenuous at best.

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    93. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      You are so fucking full of shit I can smell it through the screen. Die.

      Wah wah wah.

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    94. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      At the time of most abortions, the "child" you refer to is actually not even remotely viable even with the most advanced medical care available on the planet, and in many cases it's little more than a clump of cells. Calling it a "child" is disingenuous at best.

      So all the other ones done after the first or second trimester don't count?

    95. Re:Lie detector by Stuarticus · · Score: 1

      Because the effective tax rate is not the same as the listed price, exemptions make the stated rate a bit of a sham. Look at the big companies who end up paying nothing.

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    96. Re:Lie detector by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Corporate tax rates are based on profits. If the company spends all its money in various ways, it has no profit, therefore pays no tax. The only way to get around that would be to tax revenue, which would be like humans are taxed, on total income. I just don't see any other way to make it work.

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    97. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      So all the other ones done after the first or second trimester don't count?

      I don't know; do they? Do they count after the age of 18?

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    98. Re:Lie detector by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      I personally think they all count...

      Question: Were the people who ran the Underground Railroad "good people fighting against evil", or were they "the minority who simply didn't respect what was legal"?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      Because if your only argument for abortion is "it is legal" and "lots of people support it", well, that isn't much to stand on.

    99. Re:Lie detector by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Because if your only argument for abortion is "it is legal" and "lots of people support it", well, that isn't much to stand on.

      Who said that was my argument? I never said anything like that. Stop projecting your delusions onto me.

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  2. Really by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Tired of this shit. Human beings have the capacity to flat out ignore their 'brain impulses'. We are not binary creatures with on/off switches. So fucking stupid. :/ If this is the best young science has it should definitely consider another line of work.

    1. Re:Really by gweihir · · Score: 2

      Could not agree more. Physicalists are an utterly demented fundamentalist bunch that mistake their beliefs for science.

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    2. Re:Really by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Could not agree more. Physicalists are an utterly demented fundamentalist bunch that mistake their beliefs for science.

      Even if this were true, why would it be relevant? Why would your thoughts, emotions and impulses being sealed inside a black box science can never penetrate rather than chemical reactions in your brain make it any easier to ignore them? And why would you have any more of a motive to do so?

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    3. Re:Really by gweihir · · Score: 1

      This is a valid question.

      If it is purely physical mechanisms, then the question of ethics and responsibility get eliminated. You cannot be responsible for things you cannot control. Now, I am not arguing that physicalism is bad because it has that effect. I am arguing that accepting Physicalism if untrue or unproven (which is the current state of affairs) is bad because it has that effect. If it should turn out that Physicalism is actually the correct model (unlikely, but not impossible), then we will find that basically all thoughts on morals, ethics, laws, motivation, etc. are all bogus and worthless and that all of that will have to be re-though from scratch.

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    4. Re:Really by ultranova · · Score: 1

      This is a valid question.

      If it is purely physical mechanisms, then the question of ethics and responsibility get eliminated. You cannot be responsible for things you cannot control. Now, I am not arguing that physicalism is bad because it has that effect. I am arguing that accepting Physicalism if untrue or unproven (which is the current state of affairs) is bad because it has that effect.

      Right. So, answer the question: why do you think it's relevant whether the basis of your thoughts, feelings and impulses is physical or not? Because nothing you've said here depends on that.

      Or, to put it in other words, even if you had unlimited willpower, that willpower would still be wielded by you, based on your preferences, your thoughts and emotions. And those preferences depend on humanity's evolutionary history and your local culture, which aren't under your control, and your personal history, which is at best partially so.

      If it should turn out that Physicalism is actually the correct model (unlikely, but not impossible), then we will find that basically all thoughts on morals, ethics, laws, motivation, etc. are all bogus and worthless and that all of that will have to be re-though from scratch.

      I think you're confusing determinism, which is a concept in physics, with free will, which is a concept in law and philosophy. No matter what the basis of your will, you either have reasons to want the things you want, in which case your will is deterministic, or you don't, in which case it's random, or some combination of these. People are bound by their nature, just like they're bound by their skeletal structure; it's the price you pay for existing as a creature with well-defined shape, regardless of whether that shape is made of matter or the singing voices of angelic choruses.

      Physicalism is completely irrelevant to the argument you're making here.

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    5. Re:Really by RespekMyAthorati · · Score: 1

      Physicalists believe in physics, by definition, and the validity of physics has been demonstrated thousands of times.
      You believe in magic, which has never been demonstrated.
      Whose demented?

  3. This is your brain by bobstreo · · Score: 3, Funny

    This is your brain on Trump.

    I'm surprised there wasn't more information about your brain on Cruz. Or maybe it scared the researchers a little too much.

    1. Re:This is your brain by Aighearach · · Score: 2, Funny

      This is your brain on Trump.

      I'm surprised there wasn't more information about your brain on Cruz. Or maybe it scared the researchers a little too much.

      The liberals couldn't tell what the heck he was even talking about, and the conservatives fell asleep. So they had to abandon the study. And the Enquirer reported that Cruz cheated on the test 5 times.

    2. Re:This is your brain by mjwx · · Score: 1

      This is your brain on Trump.

      I'm surprised there wasn't more information about your brain on Cruz. Or maybe it scared the researchers a little too much.

      For most people, the idea of president trump brings about sheer, unadulterated terror. For those that do not experience this, they've found to have very little brain reactions what so every.

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  4. Actually, by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's politically neutral - just the brain reacting to the orange light.

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    1. Re:Actually, by dwye · · Score: 1

      How DARE you not make a partisan rant on this, but criticize a stupid experiment saying nothing but Trump is bad if you need to go to sleep soon!

      Take away this person's 5 digit id!

      (exit sarc mode)

  5. "The focus group participants might have..." by somenickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The focus group participants might have been excited by Trump. Or they might have been repulsed,"

    My guess is both. Trump brings out the "Watch the world burn" in all of us. Morbid curiosity is a very strong motivator.

    1. Re:"The focus group participants might have..." by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 1

      According to statistician Nate Silver's site, the strongest predictor of the amount of support for Donald Trump in a given region is the number of Google searches for racist content. No other demographic indicator even comes close.

      According to Nate Silver's site, congressional endorsements are a better predictor of who will win the primary elections than polling data.

      Oh wait, strike that. That was last November, I still have to catch up on his current position.

    2. Re:"The focus group participants might have..." by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      According to Nate Silver's site, congressional endorsements are a better predictor of who will win the primary elections than polling data.

      Don't conflate prediction with perfect correlation. One is a numerical analysis with built-in error. The other is simply a representation of data. And the data shows a perfect correlation between the number of racist Google searches in a region and the level of support for Donald Trump.

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    3. Re:"The focus group participants might have..." by rmdingler · · Score: 2
      This isn't the first outsider billionaire to seek the Oval Office.The linked article

      Though candidates have attempted a run from the grass roots activism of race baiting, the success enjoyed has never rivaled what this guy is doing.

      Why? What has changed? Perhaps the Freddie Gray, Michael Brown, Eric Garner phenomenon has resonated poorly with some segments of society.

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    4. Re:"The focus group participants might have..." by rmdingler · · Score: 1

      Spot on, coward. Spot the fück on.

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  6. Best joke ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    All those anti trump people have yet to offer one single alternative to trump.

    'He's a nazi we hate him!'
    Ok. what's you're suggestion?
    'He's a nazi and we hate him!'
    You're really not helping...

    Bottom line is... Clinton is one evil bitch for sale to the highest bidder. Sanders doesn't stand a chance anymore. And cruz is a grade A jesus freak

    So unless you want 4/8 more years of the same ol shit. Trump is it. And he's going to win.

    Reality tv? fuck that we have reality politics! gonna be entertaining.

    1. Re:Best joke ever. by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Well, there is Romney.

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      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    2. Re:Best joke ever. by zapadnik · · Score: 1

      Trump is clearly The Enemy !

      He is the enemy of the corrupt DC cartel.
      He is the enemy of international banksters.
      He is the enemy of the privately-held "Federal Reserve"
      He is the enemy of the controlled opposition (Republican Establishment).
      he is the enemy of "globalists"
      He is the enemy of Collectivists
      He is the enemy of the propagandists "mainstream" media
      He is the enemy of the Muslim Brotherhood
      He is the enemy of the Islamic State jihadis
      He is the enemy of bad trade deals
      He is the enemy of those that seek to exploit the US workers
      He is the enemy of those that steal US secrets
      He is the enemy of bad trade deals

      Because Trump is the enemy of all those, he is the friend of US Free Citizens, US sovereignty, US prosperity, and the Free World.

      Isn't it interesting how Slashdot takes the political stance to measure the effect of Trump, but not of other candidates. This is the perfection of propaganda folks - it is called "Disinformation" when it is lots of little suggestions from many, many different sources. Those in power want the US citizens to remain serfs, and will take down anyone (like Trump) who think the citizens should be in the driving seat and not the 'elites'. That is why the Borg Drones lose their mind when Truymp says "Make America Great Again!" - because the Borg Drones have been indoctrinated from birth that America and Americans are bad, greedy, stupid, ignorant, racist, xenophobes and only if they adopt Statist Collectivism and Rule by the Elites (a club which no Slashdotter is a member of) can your "sins" be ignored for now (but never forgiven).

      Now watch the rabid Borg Drones rant based on irrationality and emotion, and without any evidence-based policy positions. 3 ... 2. .. 1

    3. Re:Best joke ever. by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      As long as Clinton doesn't win, I will be happy with the result.

      Trump has ideas I agree with and disagree with, same with Bernie.

      Trump/Bernie 2016? Hah.

      This election has been such a shitshow. It's getting difficult to tell the difference between satire and legitimate news articles.

    4. Re:Best joke ever. by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      4-8 more years of obama-style presidency is by far the superior choice

      You say that now, but in the long run you'd be sorry for that choice...

      But that's ok, plenty of people like to vote against their own best interest...

      The United States has no future under its current system, something has to give. That is why Trump is doing so well, a large number of people can tell that it is broken and change is needed.

    5. Re:Best joke ever. by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Personally I think it will be the "same ol shit" with a lot of crazy talk on top.

    6. Re:Best joke ever. by RoLi · · Score: 1

      Obama-style:

      - Send in NGOs to destabilize countries (Ukraine, Syria)
      - Wage war against BOTH SIDES in Syria.
      - Break UN-resolutions and invade countries (Libya)
      - Send small groups of killers into so many countries that it's not even reported in the media anymore (Pakistan, Yemen, Uganda and certainly some others we haven't heard yet)
      - Bush was bad (broke international law and acted unilaterally) but Obama is much worse (did all that Bush did but he doesn't even tell anybody anymore - or do you remember a public discussion about military advisors in Uganda? Or a public discussion about financing NGOs in Syria and Ukraine?)

      Basically Obama just invades anywhere on the world when he pleases. He doesn't even think it's necessary to inform anybody about it (except after the fact).

      You need quite some brainwashing to see something like that as superior to anything.

    7. Re:Best joke ever. by RoLi · · Score: 1

      But he was rude to Rosie O'Donnell, so we'd rather vote for yet another warmongering Republicrat who is just like Bush/Obama!

    8. Re:Best joke ever. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      But he was rude to Rosie O'Donnell

      Sounds like a reason to maybe support him.

      --
      Time to offend someone
  7. The same study.... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    They also determined that exposure to trum causes the same reactions in nematodes.

    Therefore it is easy to extrapolate Trump supporters are on evolutionary and intellectual scale as common nematodes.

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    Do not look at laser with remaining good eye.
    1. Re:The same study.... by Gojira+Shipi-Taro · · Score: 1

      I think that's a little unkind to nematodes. Don't you?

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      "Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my Presidency. I'm fucked."; ~ Donald J. Trump
  8. The world already burns by SuperKendall · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Look around you, the world already burns. Meanwhile the Democratic answer to the fire is to toss another old log on and let it burn as it has.

    The Republicans mostly hate Trump because they too don't mind the fire as it is, worming those rich enough to stay outside of it. Trump however is like tossing a mysterious pressurized can into the fire, which may well douse the fire but at least it will make sure everyone feels the burn.

    The Democrats hate Sanders for the same reason but they have him on a much tighter leash with zero chance to displace Clinton as the candidate, no matter how many wish it were so.

    It's not curiosity that drives Trump and Sanders numbers; it is a survival instinct. There are lots of people who would vote for either even though that would seem to make no sense if all you can see is through the hoary old bifocals of "Republican" or "Democrat".

    --
    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:The world already burns by somenickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't know if it's fair to compare Trump and Sanders. Sanders has a pretty solid, decades old voting record that gives a pretty clear picture of where he stands. Trump just says whatever random shit pops into his head without regard to the random shit that popped into his head last week. Think what you want about each candidates stance on various issues but, Trumps stance on everything is almost literally, "Fuck it, come on lucky 7". People want him to be president because he's got a pulpit with which to shout their stupidity and insecurity.

    2. Re:The world already burns by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know if it's fair to compare Trump and Sanders.

      When has it matters what these candidates say or have done? What matters is that Trump and Sanders are hated equally by the political elite. Each would take different paths to whatever goals they have, in either case dismantling some of the establishment along the way. Whichever way the embers scatter simply does not matter as much as the overall effect.

      People want him to be president because he's got a pulpit with which to shout their stupidity and insecurity.

      This utter misunderstanding of Trump supporters (and frankly Trump himself) is why people cannot understand how Trump keeps winning and will continue to be so wrong about future success.

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      "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    3. Re:The world already burns by somenickname · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This utter misunderstanding of Trump supporters (and frankly Trump himself) is why people cannot understand how Trump keeps winning and will continue to be so wrong about future success.

      No. I will paraphrase another quote I read here on /. "People are dumb and angry. They don't know why they are angry but, they know that Trump seems to be addressing some form of anger". People who vote for Trump because they think he'll directly change society for the better are idiots. Other people (such as myself) will vote for Trump because we know he will be so fucking disastrous that it may cause real and positive changes to our political system. It's a gamble, to be sure. He could start WW3. As long as he doesn't start WW3, I imagine that his presidency will have a positive legacy on our political system. I just hope we can endure his reign.

    4. Re:The world already burns by ClickOnThis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I will paraphrase another quote I read here on /. "People are dumb and angry. They don't know why they are angry but, they know that Trump seems to be addressing some form of anger".

      Actually, that's close to the mark. The appeal of Donald Trump arises from two factors: (1) he taps into peoples' fears; and (2) he presents himself as the "tough guy" who can eliminate the cause of those fears. In short, he appeals to authoritarians.

      People who vote for Trump because they think he'll directly change society for the better are idiots.

      Really? Because you go on to say:

      Other people (such as myself) will vote for Trump because we know he will be so fucking disastrous that it may cause real and positive changes to our political system.

      Considering how intertwined society and political systems are, I'd say you're contradicting yourself.

      It's a gamble, to be sure. He could start WW3. As long as he doesn't start WW3, I imagine that his presidency will have a positive legacy on our political system. I just hope we can endure his reign.

      So, it sounds like you're an anarchist, and you're willing to gamble with the future of the human species in order to advance your agenda.

      --
      If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
    5. Re:The world already burns by somenickname · · Score: 2

      So, it sounds like you're an anarchist, and you're willing to gamble with the future of the human species in order to advance your agenda.

      I don't know that I have an agenda but, yes, I'm an anarchist, I'm willing to gamble a bit on the future of mankind. Frankly, the status quo doesn't look like it's going to lead us into a bright new future. The D/R establishment has us in the quintessential "slow boil". I think Trump might be terrible enough that we notice that the water is boiling.

    6. Re:The world already burns by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile the Democratic answer to the fire is to toss another old log on and let it burn as it has.

      I'm pretty sure the democratic answer is hope and change. Didn't you know that?

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    7. Re:The world already burns by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 1

      Yeah. He must be confusing Trump with Ted Cruz.

    8. Re:The world already burns by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      And calling people who disagree with your politics stupid and insecure is precisely what keeps Trump going. It must be nice to be able to feel such hatred of your fellow Americans on a daily basis. Keeps you warm inside, right?

      --
      Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
    9. Re:The world already burns by penguinoid · · Score: 1

      People are willing to vote for Bernie or Trump because they hope this time there will be change.

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      Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
    10. Re:The world already burns by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    11. Re:The world already burns by RoLi · · Score: 1

      Sanders wants to jack up the sanctions against Russia, and he also wants to continue the crazy policy of waging war against BOTH SIDES in Syria.

    12. Re:The world already burns by dwye · · Score: 1

      What are the BOTH SIDES in a three or more sided conflict?

    13. Re:The world already burns by The-Ixian · · Score: 2

      Look around you, the world already burns

      As I sip my latte the only burning I see is in partisan rhetoric.

      --
      My eyes reflect the stars and a smile lights up my face.
  9. This is why we get Trump by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Instead of reporting actual news, networks like CNN (and I guess Slashdot) report content-free bullshit like this all the time. Someone must have been in danger of actually thinking about how government works, and this story came just in time to prevent that. Thinking averted, personal biases confirmed based on nothing, crisis averted just in time, remember to wash your clothes in Tide or whatever the hell CNN is selling you today.

    1. Re:This is why we get Trump by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Hehehehe, nice!

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      Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
  10. Here's my reaction: by monkeyman.kix · · Score: 1

    You're FIRED!

  11. Not Obama, much worse by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    Tell me with a straight face you want even four years with this robot at the helm of the country. You do know the Clinton foundation makes money from arms dealers too right? Why do you think she started a needless war in Libya? At least Bush had some motive of saving someone, not just pure profit.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Not Obama, much worse by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      In contrast, Obama has:
      decreased debt % of GDP (see CBO)

      What crack are you smoking? Debt has passed 100% GDP and keeps going up as a % of GDP.

      resolved ballooning hospital operating costs (see ACA)

      Bwahhahha... Oh crap, you actually think that?

    2. Re:Not Obama, much worse by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 3, Informative

      You're very wrong. Look at the graph here, and you'll see current debt as % GDP is below the average for the past 50 years.

      Learn the difference between debt and deficit and you won't make that mistake...

      We're approaching 20 trillion in debt, that is going to kill us sooner or later...

    3. Re:Not Obama, much worse by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Why do you think she started a needless war in Libya?

      Wow, Hillary did that? She's far more capable than I thought possible given past performance.

      It's a bit funny to see a Republican cheerleader not only complain about the removal of Ghaddaffi but to give a bystander reacting after the fact the credit for it.

      She's done a lot worse in reality. Try harder. The Manning leak will help.

    4. Re:Not Obama, much worse by cutinf · · Score: 1

      We're approaching 20 trillion in debt, that is going to kill us sooner or later...

      Why? Its not enough to point at the debt and say "scary, disaster is coming". By what mechanism do you assume our debt will kill us? Everyone's debt is someone else's asset, in the federal government's case about 2/3 is held domestically (http://www.factcheck.org/2013/11/who-holds-our-debt/). That means the majority of that debt is held by US institutions or individuals. Once you understand that, you realize most of our debt is just another form of wealth transfer, and is not more inherently dangerous than taxes, social security, or other wealth transfer mechanisms.

      Just look at Japan - a much more heavily indebted country (but crucially also with its own currency). They have been piling on debt far larger in relation to their economy than ours for 30 years, and it hasn't "killed" them yet, how would ours? http://cdn.tradingeconomics.co....

    5. Re:Not Obama, much worse by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Why? Its not enough to point at the debt and say "scary, disaster is coming".

      If you don't think the debt is a problem, then why not just cancel all income tax and add 4 trillion per year of debt, it is only pretend money after all.

      And yes, frankly it IS enough to point to it. If you don't understand how debt and interest work, combined with inflation, then you shouldn't be part of the conversation.

      Sadly, millions and millions of people ARE a part of the conversation who have no bloody idea what they are talking about, which leads us to where we are today.

    6. Re:Not Obama, much worse by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      We're approaching 20 trillion in debt, that is going to kill us sooner or later...

      Yet, it apparently wasn't a problem when GWB created giant tax breaks for the rich and initiated 100-trillion dollar wars.

    7. Re:Not Obama, much worse by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Except, we haven't had a 100-trillion dollar war and Obama has racked up FAR more debt than Bush ever did.

      But don't let the facts get in the way!

    8. Re:Not Obama, much worse by coinreturn · · Score: 1

      Keep believing those right-wing talking points on debt. https://www.dailykos.com/story...

  12. Nothing to see here; move along by Bysmuth · · Score: 5, Informative

    I conduct research in a lab that uses EEG to measure a very different kind of processing, so it's possible I'm unaware of the relevant background literature (if indeed there is any), but the most charitable thing I can say is that it is impossible to draw any conclusions at all from the results as they are reported here.

    Barnett talks about "neural engagement", but this is not a technical term. Googling around led to his patent on measuring so-called engagement. The relevant part is as follows:

    “For example, if a movie was presented to a group of people, the measure of engagement could show the level of engagement the group (or a subset of the group) displayed in response to different scenes in the movie; the measure of engagement could also show how engaging the movie was overall. The method 100 preferably performs cross-brain correlations of neural data, calculated across pairs (a measure of neural similarity), as input for the measure of engagement. The method 100 additionally may function to provide a measure of engagement across small and precise time ranges. Understanding that one characteristic of engaging content is its ability to generate similar neural responses in different individuals, this preferably enables the method 100 to operate without the need to specify a model for the neural processes of engagement.”

    So as far as I can tell, the fact that Trump generated higher levels of engagement means the EEG responses he elicited in viewers were more correlated with each other than were the EEG responses elicited by other candidates. This could potentially be interesting, but not without a process model explaining why. Even taking this associative, non-experimental method at face value, here's a plausible hypothesis that would render this result totally uninteresting: Everyone has seen and heard Donald Trump a lot. The same cannot be said for, say, John Kasich. It seems reasonable to me that frequent stimuli would be more likely to elicit common responses.

    Maybe this hypothesis is correct; maybe it's not. The point is that without doing the hard work of showing they understand what their analytic technique measures, the results are totally uninterpretable. You can't even say that "Viewers weren't bored" without knowing what the correlations between the EEG responses of bored people would generate!

    tl;dr: A poorly-designed and as-yet unpublished EEG study leads to an uninterpretable result that generated news coverage because readers like it when their latent beliefs are covered with a veneer of scientific acceptability.

    (Professional quibble with the write-up: The term "lights up the brain" is neuroscientific slang used exclusively with methods like fMRI that tell you which regions of the brain are active. I know no neuroscientist who would say the brain is "lit up" based on an EEG reading.)

    1. Re:Nothing to see here; move along by ArylAkamov · · Score: 1

      This is what I was curious about. All it seems to imply to me (Me, being completely ignorant of this kind of stuff) is that people tend to pay attention to him, which was already obvious.

      Seems like a technical way to measure if somebody is bored and not paying attention vs paying attention and excited or interested, whether it is with glee or disgust.

    2. Re:Nothing to see here; move along by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      ...and in related news, a researcher notices people's brains light up when they watch porn, Ren N Stimpy cartoons, cat videos, houseplants, and videos of focus group participants with electrode caps strapped onto their heads. ...further research found strapping electrode caps on focus group participants makes their brains light up, because focus group participants like having electrode caps strapped onto their heads.

      Researcher says that if anyone is interested in having the brains of focus groups light up for them, he accepts Paypal, cash, buds and bitcoin.

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      Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
  13. Sanders' voting record by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2

    I don't know if it's fair to compare Trump and Sanders. Sanders has a pretty solid, decades old voting record that gives a pretty clear picture of where he stands.

    Sanders voted to increase H1B visas at the last round of voting.

    How can you support Sanders when he doesn't care whether you (and in the future, your children) have jobs?

    1. Re:Sanders' voting record by somenickname · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I don't think I said I supported Sanders. I just said that he had a consistent and verifiable voting record. I think that's kind of his charm. He may or may not be a crazy old man, he may or may not have voted for/against your pet issue. But, if he says he's for/against something, he tends to back those words up with his votes. I don't mind tipping my hat to someone like that.

    2. Re:Sanders' voting record by zephvark · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sanders voted to increase H1B visas at the last round of voting.

      How can you support Sanders when he doesn't care whether you (and in the future, your children) have jobs?

      I gather that you believe America will have more jobs if it just stops trading with other nations. And your state will have more jobs if you just stop trading with the rest of America. And your town will have more jobs if you just stop trading with the rest of the state. In fact, perhaps we should entirely do without commerce. That might work.

    3. Re:Sanders' voting record by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I gather that you believe America will have more jobs if it just stops trading with other nations. And your state will have more jobs if you just stop trading with the rest of America. And your town will have more jobs if you just stop trading with the rest of the state. In fact, perhaps we should entirely do without commerce. That might work.

      You have a valid point, and one that deserves an answer.

      In past decades, free trade agreements were sold to the American public as a way to become richer. Economists admitted that wages would stagnate, but pointed out that goods and services from abroad would be much cheaper so that overall we would be richer.

      Wages would stagnate, but costs would go down faster than what wages would have risen.

      It's now several decades later, manufacturing has moved to Mexico and China and India, wages have indeed stagnated, and there are Chinese dollar stores everywhere.

      The problem with this model is that the benefits went mostly to the rich, while the middle class was gutted. We can look at the past couple of decades with perfect hindsight and see income inequality skyrocket while employment tanked.

      Keeping jobs local forces the rich to pay more to produce goods, and acts to prevent this inequality. The extra expenses go into the local economy and benefits Americans, instead of benefiting a people in other countries.

      In fact, perhaps we should entirely do without commerce. That might work.

      Maybe we should outsource all our jobs to other countries. That would work just as well.

    4. Re:Sanders' voting record by khallow · · Score: 1

      What does H1-B have to do with open trade?

    5. Re:Sanders' voting record by RoLi · · Score: 1

      Self-hating whites think that self-mutilation is the highest form of morality.

  14. Then let's eliminate income taxes by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This all assumes increased debt is the worst thing which could happen to the economy. It isn't, not by a long shot.

    The United States has a net worth of about $124 trillion in 2014 (source). The total federal deficit is about $19 trillion and the federal deficit is $500 billion. But the total US net worth grows by far more than $500 billion per year, so it is very misleading to say the deficit is a large problem. For instance, the total net worth of US households and non-profits grew by $10 trillion in 2014 alone. If I am going $5000 in debt each year, but my total net worth is growing by $10,000 each year, I am still in a pretty good position.

    The risk of damaging the economy with drastic measures is far more dangerous than going a few trillion more in debt. Current federal debt levels are really not that bad when put into perspective, although understandably it is very hard for people to put $500 billion in perspective. But to make it easier, the US is a household with a $248,000 house with $38,000 left on their mortgage, and a family budget losing about $100 per month. That is not a dire situation.

    If what you're saying is true, we could eliminate the federal income tax *entirely* and simply go into debt each year for the federal budget.

    That's what you're saying, yes? If the federal budget is $3.5 trillion, and we're increasing our national value by $10 trillion a year, then we're still coming out ahead, right?

    This would be even better than your analogy of going into debt by $5K while increasing in value by $10K each year.

    Why don't we do that then?

    Howcome we don't simply eliminate income taxes(*)?

    (A rhetorical question to illustrate just how ridiculous your explanation is. It doesn't hold up when taken to its logical conclusion.)

    1. Re:Then let's eliminate income taxes by ultranova · · Score: 2

      If what you're saying is true, we could eliminate the federal income tax *entirely* and simply go into debt each year for the federal budget.

      Yes, you could. That would basically end up collecting taxes through inflation rather than explicitly, but is perfectly doable.

      Howcome we don't simply eliminate income taxes(*)?

      People still haven't fully made the leap of abstraction from gold standard to fiat currency.

      (A rhetorical question to illustrate just how ridiculous your explanation is. It doesn't hold up when taken to its logical conclusion.)

      Yes, it does. It will simply result in a different set of problems which may be better or worse than the current system.

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      Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.

    2. Re:Then let's eliminate income taxes by ranton · · Score: 1

      If what you're saying is true, we could eliminate the federal income tax *entirely* and simply go into debt each year for the federal budget.

      That's what you're saying, yes? If the federal budget is $3.5 trillion, and we're increasing our national value by $10 trillion a year, then we're still coming out ahead, right?

      I never said we are increasing our national value by $10 trillion per year. I said one segment increased its value by that amount in a single year. It would take far more than a single Slashdot post to detail the entirety of the USA's financial position; those figures were meant only to put these dollar values in perspective (as I mentioned in my post).

      Howcome we don't simply eliminate income taxes(*)?

      Because regardless of how good the financial position of the USA is, it still needs funding. It couldn't borrow money forever with no intention of every paying it back. People would simply stop buying the bonds at some point.

      Bringing up the health of the USA economy shows that there is more than enough money to pay the federal deficit if that was a goal. But just like a how I put more money into my 401k than I pay towards repaying my student loans, the USA economy has better things to do with its money than pay back the federal deficit aggressively.

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      -- All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke
    3. Re: Then let's eliminate income taxes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Not unlike the taxes!

    4. Re: Then let's eliminate income taxes by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Are they? Lower and middle class households pay far more of their small income as taxes, and it harms them far more than the upper classes. So, how are taxes currently progressive. Please provide links backing any claims you make.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
  15. Scott Adams on Hitler by Okian+Warrior · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Another excerpt from Scott Adams' blog

    According to social media, and the mainstream media as well, Trump might be the next Hitler because he does things Hitler would have done. For example:

            Trump is charismatic and appeals to our prejudices.
            Trump approves of violence against people he thinks deserve it.
            Trump blames “others” for the nation’s problems.
            Trump has an authoritarian vibe.

    All that is true. But it would be equally easy to build a list of why Trump is definitely NOT like Hitler. For example:

            Trump is anti-war. Hitler, not so much.
            Trump asks us to favor legal citizens over non-citizens. He makes no mention of race. Hitler killed his own citizens and mostly cared about race.
            Trump wants citizens to be heavily armed to protect themselves against bad people, including dictators. Hitler didn’t want to arm his potential enemies.
            Trump wants greater freedom of speech that would include politically incorrect topics. Hitler wasn’t so big on free speech for others.
            Trump assures us his genitalia have “no problem.” Hitler had one testicle.

    I really like reading Scott Adams' blog. Unlike most analysis on the planet, he seems to address the issues in a logical, well-reasoned fashion.

    1. Re:Scott Adams on Hitler by djinn6 · · Score: 1
      Trump is not for free speech, or at least, not for free speech that he disagrees with.

      The relevant bit here:

      One of the things I'm going to do if I win... I'm going to open up our libel laws so when [newspapers] write purposely negative and horrible and false articles, we can sue them and win lots of money... So when The New York Times writes a hit piece which is a total disgrace or when The Washington Post, which is there for other reasons, writes a hit piece, we can sue them and win money instead of having no chance of winning because they're totally protected.

      To me that sounds like what a dictator might say. I doubt Trump is capable of pulling it off though, he's widely ridiculed by half of the country, and that's worse than simply being hated.

  16. Joke is on you, as you are electing Trump by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    and quite probably get us all killed in a nuclear war within 2 years?

    You mean of course the nuclear war with Iran that Obama has personally made sure will occur.

    Whoever the next president is has nothing to do with the fact America and/or Europe will be hit with nuclear weapons in the next few years.

    Hell I'd vote for C'thu'lu over Trump.

    So sad to see a handful of otherwise intelligent people so utterly fail to understand what Trump is about and in so doing basically have the opposite impact of trying to stop him they intend.

    The funny thing is that you and your ideological looney pals facilitate his rise with stupid proclamations like that, because the people that hate Trump just sound insane and make Trump sound quite reasonable by comparison - because there is nothing so over the top Trump can say that is not beat by an order of magnitude from his haters, who ignore what Trump has actually done in life.

    I'm not evener Trump - but I see that the people against Trump are utterly insane and can't seem to understand what he's saying or what he wants to do.

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    "There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
    1. Re:Joke is on you, as you are electing Trump by Falconhell · · Score: 1

      You cant have a nuclear war with Iran, they have no nuclear weapons. Just like Iraq had no WMD.
      The cognitive dissonance and outright ignorance shown in your post is astonishing, a quick look at history shows Iran has never started a war in modern times, whereas the US Relies on war to support its economy.
      Your silly paranoia about Obama is making you look even more stupid than usual, and thats saying something for you.

    2. Re:Joke is on you, as you are electing Trump by dbIII · · Score: 1

      So sad to see a handful of otherwise intelligent people so utterly fail to understand what Trump is about

      Since he's a deliberate bullshit fountain of course so many people utterly fail to understand what Trump is about. All we can do is look at his past actions since his words can not be trusted.

    3. Re:Joke is on you, as you are electing Trump by ultranova · · Score: 1

      You mean of course the nuclear war with Iran that Obama has personally made sure will occur.

      Whoever the next president is has nothing to do with the fact America and/or Europe will be hit with nuclear weapons in the next few years.

      Every now and then I get a horrible feeling that conservatives actually believe the ridiculous bullshit they write.

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  17. This is your brain on CNN by WaffleMonster · · Score: 3, Insightful

    CNN isn't worth your time. All they talk about is garbage like this and who said the most ridiculous thing today. CNN is willing and able to bait and troll the public with nonsensical questions like did Trump sieg heil before cutting to commercial.

    Is Anderson cooper a space alien? Is Jake Taper a Russian spy? Does Wolf Blitzer rape goats? All this and more after these messages.

    Apparently they can't be bothered to do any serious investigative journalism on any of the candidates running for office, provide any context or insights into political issues or even bother to explore candidates positions. It is 24x7 talking points and low information bullshit spewed from CNN's cast of lazy idiots.

    1. Re:This is your brain on CNN by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

      Once, CNN had huge potential, back when cable was only about 25 channels and the idea of switching on news any time of the day sounded like such a great thing (this was pre-Internet, for all you young'uns out there). How long did it take for them to figure out that, with 24-hours of time to fill, you run out of interesting content REALLY QUICK. All it takes is a slow news day, and CNN is stuck with nothing to broadcast except panda videos and big-breasted anchor-women looking bored and wondering whether they'd be better paid at Fox. Now, they're little more than bottom-feeders desperately in wait for another OJ Bronco chase, while Fox has given up news altogether in favor of whatever makes its viewers crazy.

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  18. Re:Hitler wasn't boring either by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    He promises to shut Mexican and Muslim immigrants out and send all the illegal immigrants home.

    Source please. He stated that the Mexican wall should have doors where lawful people can walk through. I have not seen or heard anything about denying access to Mexicans if they obey all laws/rules/regulations. In fact if you pay attention he makes it very clear that he considers legal and illegal entry two very different things and he is only bashing the illegal entries from Mexico.

    You are right about the Muslims and illegal immigrants though.

  19. Meanwhile, Watching Hillary Clinton... by Baldrson · · Score: 1

    EEG indistinguishable from brain death.

  20. Re:intellegence by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    That's not "mental stimulation", that's laughter.

  21. Politics On Slashdot by cshark · · Score: 1

    Didn't we learn our lesson last cycle? Or the two before that?

    Look, there's only three factions that read this site. Socialists, Libertarians, and people that believe their pets talk to them telepathically.
    Why bother discussing anything political here?

    This never ends well.

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  22. So, to narrow this down ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 1

    ... why didn't they monitor the gag reflex?

  23. Hate speech works by NewYork · · Score: 1

    http://www.huffingtonpost.in/2016/03/28/the-hate-speech-study-say_n_9556836.html

  24. Possibly politically neutral... by martinfb · · Score: 1

    Possibly politically neutral, yet it does speak to an alarming notion: there are voting adults that are unable to accurately interpret that reaction in their brains; often mistaking it for a positive thing. Drug addicts have similar experiences with dope; they think it is good for them. And, even though many drug addicts have an awareness that it is not good, they still continue to participate. And Trump keeps getting votes!

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  25. Censorship by s.petry · · Score: 1

    The Post is exactly on topic you censors.

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