Apple Deprecating Quicktime For Windows, Micro Trends Urges Users To Uninstall (trendmicro.com)

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Apple Deprecating Quicktime For Windows, Micro Trends Urges Users To Uninstall (trendmicro.com)

Posted by BeauHD on Thursday April 14, 2016 @07:01PM from the shhh-don't-tell-anyone dept.

harryjohnston writes: Usually when a vendor deprecates a software product and stops releasing security updates, they provide some sort of advance notice that they're intending to do so. The least we would expect is for them to announce an unexpected end-of-life themselves. However, Trend Micro released a security advisory today describing two zero-day vulnerabilities for Quicktime for Windows, and according to them, Apple told Trend Micro -- but apparently nobody else -- that they have deprecated Quicktime for Windows and will not be releasing a patch. The Register has an article on the announcement. Apple did not respond to their request for comment.

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Not the first time... by Richard_at_work · 2016-04-14 19:03 · Score: 5, Interesting

Apple simply stopped updating Safari for Windows, no announcement or notice, just quietly stopped releasing updates.
1. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:13 · Score: 0
  
  less redundant crapware is a good thing.
2. Re:Not the first time... by freeze128 · 2016-04-14 19:18 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  What's next, iTunes?
  
  Oh please, oh please, oh pleeeeease.....
3. Re:Not the first time... by shanen · 2016-04-14 19:39 · Score: 1
  
  What's next, Flash?
  Oh please, pretty please with sugar on top.
  Actually, I think there is an underlying philosophic problem there. Content below appearance, and from that perspective I sort of want to give Adobe more credit for at least picking a name for mindless flash that captures its essence. In contrast, Apple's "Quick" could be considered better as a distraction, a misdirection of interest, so to speak. Still evil, but I hate Adobe more precisely because they were more successful in imposing their threats and risks on most of the market, if not the actual universe.
  
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4. Re: Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:10 · Score: -1
  
  Lol, more flash hatred.
  You do uni l understand that any major software will have security flaws, right?
  Nobody targets you unless you're a useful product and have 75%+ market dominance / install rate.
  Once flash is gone, i will guarantee you browser based exploits will dominate.
5. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:15 · Score: 0
  
  "quick" was a prefix for apple's line of APIs comparable to microsoft's "direct". How you get from "time" to "video player", I have no idea, however.
6. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:35 · Score: 0
  
  Because time is an important part of playing movies and sound (sound was included in the quicktime api). In fact half the api was dealing with time, to keep both audio and video in sync. In fact in quicktime time wasn't even required to be linear, inside the movie you where allowed to change the time base and therefor speed up or slow down the movie.
7. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:38 · Score: 0
  
  What's next, iTunes?
  Oh please, oh please, oh pleeeeease.....
  For one of the richest tech companies on the planet, Apple's software record is nothing short of disgraceful. We can all joke about how pathetic and shitty their win applications are, but let's be realistic, these are created by professionals. Perhaps it's time to farm out design and coding, and stick to icon design and repackaging other companies' off the shelf components.
8. Re:Not the first time... by Overzeetop · 2016-04-14 22:29 · Score: 2
  
  Don't throw me into that brier patch!
  
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  Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
9. Re:Not the first time... by TheReaperD · 2016-04-14 22:36 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  Flash is being depreciated and Adobe has already given a timeline for the discontinuation of the product so that companies that currently rely on it will be able to migrate to a different product with a minimum of hassle. Of course, many will still wait until after it is discontinued and they get hit by a horrendous attack to try and migrate. I have no sympathy for them.
  
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  "Be particularly skeptical when presented with evidence confirming what you already believe." -
10. Re:Not the first time... by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:37 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Honestly, I wouldn't stop at their win apps, below the bells and whistles they layer ontop of the same OS they release every damn year, you'll see a trend of half-assed-ness that's beyond disgraceful. And I'm talking about their products on their platforms here. I'm not even talking about them purposefully gimping non apple software on apple devices (when MS did this, it was pure evil remember) and I'm not even mentioning the nasty certificate authority that was handing out forged certs for a bunch of google services that Apple decided to keep allowing while every other responsible company blocked the shit out of that CA. At this point, without a fundamental shift inside the company, I wouldn't even trust them with slapping skins on other peoples software.
11. Re: Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 23:14 · Score: 1
  
  Quicktime's been around several years longer than any Microsoft "Direct" family products, which were introduced starting with Windows 95. QuickTime Media Player has been around since 1991.
12. Re: Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 00:08 · Score: 1
  
  It seems like a good chunk of the malware infections these days come from flash. Adobe tries to patch it up, but by its very design it is insecure. So yes, flash needs to die. Quickly.
13. Re:Not the first time... by quetwo · 2016-04-15 00:37 · Score: 1
  
  Except it's not, and no announcement has been made. In fact, Adobe release a PR for the next version of the Flash Player two days ago.... http://labs.adobe.com/technolo...
14. Re:Not the first time... by CrankyFool · 2016-04-15 01:03 · Score: 2, Informative
  
  Technically, Flash was first a Macromedia product. Adobe got Flash when it purchased Macromedia in the early 2000s.
  (Possibly few people will care about the distinction -- I worked at Macromedia at the time, and Adobe was considered our singular nemesis, so I ... kinda like to remind people Adobe didn't come up with Flash. Of course Flash being what it is, I'm not sure that's a good thing :) )
15. Re:Not the first time... by Stormwatch · 2016-04-15 01:33 · Score: 1
  
  Actually, Flash is a contraction of FutureSplash.
  
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  Circumcision is child abuse.
16. Re:Not the first time... by Stormwatch · 2016-04-15 01:36 · Score: 4, Informative
  
  Technically, Flash - or FutureSplash Animator - was first a FutureWave product.
  
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  Circumcision is child abuse.
17. Re:Not the first time... by Applehu+Akbar · 2016-04-15 01:42 · Score: 1
  
  What would be even better would be for Adobe to drop Acrobat Reader, forcing Microsoft to embed PDF support in Windows, just like the Other Guys. Approximately one third of a Windows user's working day seems to be installing Acrobat updates.
18. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 01:46 · Score: 0
  
  No one forces you to use it. What's up with you fucktards who cry about something that you're not forced to use? Is that all you got in your life?
19. Re:Not the first time... by stealth_finger · 2016-04-15 01:49 · Score: 1
  
  We can all joke about how pathetic and shitty their win applications are, but let's be realistic, these are created by professionals.
  But that's how they design them. Then they can say it works much better on a mac, why don't you buy a ma? C'mon, buy a mac.
  
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  https://www.redbubble.com/people/stealthfinger/shop?asc=u
20. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 02:00 · Score: -1
  
  You are venturing forth through the savannah. On the horizon the sun hangs low, bathing everything in a warm, golden glow. You feel relieved that the day is nearly done and welcome the respite that you will soon have from the blistering heat. As you continue on, the path you are walking upon becomes ever more overgrown until it finally disappears in the thick, tell grass.
  Will you set up camp here or press onward?
  > press onward
  You press onward, hoping to get as much travel into the day as possible, for it will be nightfall soon and it will be impossible to navigate the plains, especially with the path enshrouded by the dense foliage. After hiking approximately four more kilometres, you come across an old, dead tree and decide that this will be a good place to set up camp. The tree would be useful, not only for the lean-to, but also because the dried branches would make for excellent firewood.
  Just at that moment you hear rustling from behind you. Turning around, you see a NEGROID WARRIOR jump out from the brush. What will you do?
  > look at negroid warrior
  The NEGROID WARRIOR stands before you, his tall, dark body adorned with a large necklace made of various animal teeth. He is clothed in only an animal skin loincloth and he is carrying a sharp, wooden spear. He glares at you menacingly.
  > inventory
  You are carrying:
  Blanket
  Bottle of beer (40oz)
  Box of matches
  Canvas tarpaulin
  Canteen of water
  Penknife
  Short rope
  > give forty to negroid warrior
  The NEGROID WARRIOR quickly snaps up the bottle of smooth, refreshing beer and drinks it down greedily. Casting the empty bottle to the ground, he looks to you and speaks, "It works every time!", before running off into the cooling twilight of the open plain.
21. Re:Not the first time... by Carewolf · 2016-04-15 02:27 · Score: 1
  
  What's next, iTunes?
  Oh please, oh please, oh pleeeeease.....
  They are more aggresive with iTunes. Instead of just not updating it, they are updating it to make it worse. You are still supposed to get the hint though.
22. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 02:36 · Score: 0
  
  They announced it when they stopped updating Safari, you must have just missed it.
23. Re: Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 02:52 · Score: 1
  
  Quicktime's been around several years longer than any Microsoft "Direct" family products, which were introduced starting with Windows 95. QuickTime Media Player has been around since 1991.
  And don't forget, Microsoft's video standards and players were originally based on STOLEN QuickTime Source Code.
  
  So in a very real sense, QuickTime for Windows will continue to live on.
24. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 03:11 · Score: 1
  
  Perhaps it's time to farm out design and coding, and stick to icon design and repackaging other companies' off the shelf components.
  You're so full of shit, it's pathetic.
  
  To be sure, just like every other tech company, Apple uses many off-the-shelf components.
  
  However, UNLIKE most other tech companies (e.g. Lenovo, Dell and HP), Apple designs many, many custom components for their products, e.g. sound processors, memory controllers, I/O controllers and much, much more. And that doesn't even touch on their custom cases, power supplies, plus a boatload of custom cables, connectors and adapters; this list goes on and on.
  
  There are many examples over the years (most of which are very hard to find references for); but even if we restrict the list to JUST their mobile SoCs, you are easily shown to be quite the liar. Or fool. Take your pick.
25. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 03:12 · Score: 1
  
  purposefully gimping non apple software on apple devices
  
  Citation, please?
26. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 03:13 · Score: 1
  
  No one forces you to use it. What's up with you fucktards who cry about something that you're not forced to use? Is that all you got in your life?
  Yep. You must be new here...
27. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 03:17 · Score: 0
  
  Windows has supported PDF out of the box since 8.
28. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 03:18 · Score: 0
  
  The reason you're so obsessed with race is because you're an utterly broken, pathetic individual.
29. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 03:23 · Score: 0
  
  Windows has supported PDF out of the box since 8.
  IOW: The vast majority of Windows users, especially in a business environment, have to install Acrobat Reader, or some other utility to view PDF files.
30. Re:Not the first time... by CauseBy · 2016-04-15 03:26 · Score: 1
  
  Same with Hypercard. And MacDraw. And CyberDog. And Graphing Calculator.
  What, is my beard getting too long?
31. Re: Not the first time... by neilo_1701D · 2016-04-15 04:05 · Score: 2
  
  And don't forget, Microsoft's video standards and players were originally based on STOLEN QuickTime Source Code
  Did you read that website? The claims and timeline are completely totally wrong for DOS; why would you trust it for Quicktime?
  From the page:
  
  Course 1: the Desktop OS Monopoly
  Microsoft snared CP/M code to sell as DOS, then blocked Digital Research from competing with its own product.
  Microsoft partnered with IBM to use it as a vehicle for establishing its purloined MS-DOS as a standard.
  After Compaq cloned IBM's hardware, Microsoft dumped IBM to court PC clone makers.
  Microsoft used its remaining charms to get IBM to develop OS/2 as its DOS replacement.
  After hiring away VMS engineers, Microsoft used that company's technology in NT, and dumped IBM's OS/2.
  NeXTSTEP, Solaris/Intel, and BeOS were all prevented from competing through exclusive OEM contracts.
  The first point is wrong; the second point occurred before the first AND was the other way around; the third point never happened, the fourth point is the wrong way around; the fifth point has seeds of truth, and the sixth point only has seeds of truth. You can refute all of the above with just two books "Hard Drive" and "Showstopper!".
  Parts of Quicktime may have indeed been "stolen" from Apple, but I wouldn't trust that site to supply meaningful facts.
32. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 04:15 · Score: 0
  
  Just because you don't read the email sends to people authoring for flash doesn't mean that they haven't sent it. EOL for the flash player has been set, and adobe is doing the (only time ever) right thing by continuing to support it until the end. Their authoring tools have already migrated to HTML5 primary with flash as a secondary target, and will stop supporting flash as a target in, IIRC, 2 years.
33. Re: Not the first time... by Old+Man+Kensey · 2016-04-15 04:30 · Score: 1
  
  QuickDraw was the original graphics toolkit built into the Mac system software from its birth, so that's at least back to 1984.
  
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34. Re:Not the first time... by tlhIngan · 2016-04-15 04:32 · Score: 1
  
  What's next, iTunes?
  Oh please, oh please, oh pleeeeease.....
  Except there are valid uses for iTunes that you really should use it if you have an iOS device.
  Backups - iCloud works, but iTunes backups, especially encrypted ones, are far better and back up more data (encrypted backups will backup authentication information, for example, so you don't have to set up your email. Regular and iCloud backups don't capture that because Apple not only doesn't want that information, Apple doesn't want it to appear unencrypted either).
  Plus, local backups - aren't we always saying we should have local backups of our stuff and not rely on the cloud?
  Second - archiving. When an app is removed from the App store, it continues to function where it's installed. (Apple so far has not disabled nor remotely removed any app from anyone's devices). if you sync with iTunes, iTunes will capture the app and save a copy locally. The app can then be synced over and installed on other devices even though it is no longer possible to download them. (You will need iTunes to back up the data for that app as well).
  So there's some necessity in iTunes if you want to be paranoid and keep local backups of everything.
35. Re:Not the first time... by TrancePhreak · 2016-04-15 04:53 · Score: 1
  
  When an app is removed from the App store, it continues to function where it's installed. (Apple so far has not disabled nor remotely removed any app from anyone's devices). if you sync with iTunes, iTunes will capture the app and save a copy locally.
  They removed this functionality. https://imazing.com/why-did-ap...
  
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  -]Phreak Out[-
36. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 05:36 · Score: 0
  
  Actually it's because I'm not stupid and blind like you, junior.
37. Re:Not the first time... by Etcetera · 2016-04-15 07:23 · Score: 1
  
  What's next, Flash?
  Actually, I think there is an underlying philosophic problem there. Content below appearance, and from that perspective I sort of want to give Adobe more credit for at least picking a name for mindless flash that captures its essence. In contrast, Apple's "Quick" could be considered better as a distraction, a misdirection of interest, so to speak.
  What are you talking about? The "Quick" in QuickTime is in parallel to QuickDraw, which dates back to the earliest, original Macintosh Toolbox and had concepts from the Lisa. The "Time" (obviously) is from its focus on time metadata in the .mov format. Data over time is the key concept within the original QuickTime API.
  And yes, things have moved on, but the container format was deemed flexible enough to be used virtually unchanged in MPEG4. Show some respect.
  
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38. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 07:43 · Score: 0
  
  Oh, wow! I had a feeling I'd see you on this article, here to defend the fruit of Steve Job's loins. Once again I must say, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. Macs4all? No thank you. They've been making computers for hipster faggots before hipsters even existed. Gimping non-apple software on apple devices? Personally I have no idea. I don't touch apple shit, but it sounds exactly like something they would do. Just like when they gimped Bluetooth so you couldn't receive send/receive files to non-apple devices. But, I guess when you're getting rammed up the poop-chute by Tim Cook, everything is OK with you.
39. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 07:55 · Score: 0
  
  WOW! The king of Apple shilling calls other's trolls and liars! Now I've seen it all. Apple does NOT design their own silicon. Never have. Never will. Stupid motherfuckers like you want to believe they do, but they don't. That's why citations are hard to find. Requesting a chip with a specific set of specifications is NOT chip design, you dumbass! Yes, Apple calls that Jew a "chipmaker", but that's just typical marketing fluff from the greatest tech marketing company of all time. Apple is no Texas Instruments, Intel, or NEC. Not even remotely close.
40. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 08:59 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, wow! I had a feeling I'd see you on this article, here to defend the fruit of Steve Job's loins. Once again I must say, GO FUCK YOURSELF YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE. Macs4all? No thank you. They've been making computers for hipster faggots before hipsters even existed. Gimping non-apple software on apple devices? Personally I have no idea. I don't touch apple shit, but it sounds exactly like something they would do. Just like when they gimped Bluetooth so you couldn't receive send/receive files to non-apple devices. But, I guess when you're getting rammed up the poop-chute by Tim Cook, everything is OK with you.
  Such erudite discourse. I'm not sure I can keep up...
  
  So, IOW, you ARE just talking out your ASS, Anonymous COWARD.
41. Re: Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 09:17 · Score: 1
  
  Parts of Quicktime may have indeed been "stolen" from Apple, but I wouldn't trust that site to supply meaningful facts.
  Ok, so you don't trust Roughly Drafted? Howabout Wikipedia?
  
  Ok, so you don't trust Wikipedia? the IT Law Wiki?
  
  Ok, so you don't trust the IT Law Wiki? Howabout The Register.com?
  
  Ok, so you don't trust The Register (don't blame you)? Howabout the U.S. Courts?
  
  Idiot.
42. Re: Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 09:28 · Score: 1
  
  QuickDraw was the original graphics toolkit built into the Mac system software from its birth, so that's at least back to 1984.
  Before that, actually. QuickDraw was originally written for the Lisa, which began development in 1979. In fact, the reason that the Mac was fitted with a 68K CPU is that no one wanted to port QuickTime to the 6809 that was originally going into the Mac (which began Development in 1981, BTW).
43. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 09:31 · Score: 1
  
  Windows has supported PDF out of the box since 8.
  Wow. Only took them what, like THIRTY YEARS? Color me Unimpressed...
44. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 09:50 · Score: 1
  
  Honestly, I wouldn't stop at their win apps, below the bells and whistles they layer ontop of the same OS they release every damn year, you'll see a trend of half-assed-ness that's beyond disgraceful.
  Have you ever watched a single WWDC Keynote? Apple typically announces HUNDREDS (and sometimes THOUSANDS) of new and updated APIs and Frameworks EVERY SINGLE VERSION of OS X and iOS. And many of those changes are ENTIRELY "under the hood". The typical User just sees better battery life, faster gaming, etc.
  
  HARDLY just "bells and whistles", Hater.
  
  And as you pointed out, that's typically about EVERY year.
  
  Unfortunately, without wading through Keynotes, or tons of Developer docs, it is hard to come up with citations to these changes; but if you challenge me, I will find some examples.
45. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 10:05 · Score: 0
  
  Hear, hear! Someone that knows what they are talking about. Way to drop knowledge. Kudos.
46. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 10:14 · Score: 1
  
  WOW! The king of Apple shilling calls other's trolls and liars! Now I've seen it all. Apple does NOT design their own silicon. Never have. Never will.
  I am an embedded developer with about 4 DECADES of paid experience. I do not shill. No need to. Not to brag; but to quote Todd Rundgren "Don't need to sling the scat, 'cuz my resume is too fat." But I digress...
  
  Apple DOES develop their own "Silicon" (chip DESIGNS) "from scratch" (they do NOT "fab" it, however. And you obviously don't understand the difference. They (wisely!) rely on others to do that, such as Samsung, TSMC and others. They started that WAAAY back in the day, when they used VIA Technologies and others to "fab" their custom Glue Logic, Sound Processors, and GPUs (we're talking 1980s and '90s here). But even THEN, the DESIGNS were Apple's. They might have (probably did) contract some of the Design work out in those days; but they haven't even done that much at all in this Century.
  
  For example, in the ARM space alone, they have the highest-level ARM License you can have, an ARM "Architectural License", (and I think they are like one of 15 companies in the WORLD that has that) (and oh, BTW, they are one of the ORIGINATORS of ARM; look it up). Their ARM license does NOT just let them play "cut n paste" with other ARM IP; but rather, they actually can (and do!) make changes to base-level ARM designs, as well as "roll their own".
  
  To quote the Wikipedia Article:
  
  "In addition to licenses for their core designs, ARM offers an "architectural licence" for their instruction sets, allowing the licensees to design their own cores that implement one of those instruction sets. An ARM architectural licence is more costly than a regular ARM core licence,[64] and also requires the necessary engineering power to design a CPU based on the instruction set.
  
  Processors believed to be designed independently from ARM include Apple's (architecture license from March 2008[65]) A6, A6X, and A7[66] (used in iPhone 5, iPad and iPhone 5S) [as well as the A8 and A9 series developed after this article], and Qualcomm's Snapdragon[67] (used in smartphones such as the US version of the Samsung Galaxy S4). There were around 15 architectural licensees in 2013,[68] including Marvell, Apple, Qualcomm,[64] Broadcom[69] and some other."
  
  So, FOAD, fuckhead. You have ABSOLUTELY no idea what you are talking about.
47. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 11:12 · Score: 0
  
  If you just need reader functionality, there are literally dozens of apps that can do that, and they're not nearly as vulnerable. Do some research.
48. Re:Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 17:43 · Score: 0
  
  Are you fucking dense? How about the walled garden that is iOS?
49. Re:Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-15 22:43 · Score: 1
  
  Are you fucking dense? How about the walled garden that is iOS?
  You Haters will stop at nothing to demonstrate your ignorance, paranoia and disingenuousness.
50. Re: Not the first time... by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-16 03:36 · Score: 0
  
  I don't think they ever intended to port QuickDraw to the 6809. Raskin wanted a bitmapped machine, but it was Bud Tribble who saw what Bill Atkinson was doing with LisaGraf (later QuickDraw) and persuaded Burrell Smith to do a 68k Mac board. I don't think they had any graphics routines for the Mac at that point; they were still drawing stuff by hand in assembly.
51. Re: Not the first time... by BasilBrush · 2016-04-16 04:45 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know about Quicktime, but he's not an idiot for doubting that site, given that the DOS claims are indeed horse-shit.
52. Re:Not the first time... by doccus · 2016-04-16 05:39 · Score: 1
  
  YEs, well, the whole board of directors were probably counting the minutes until Steve died in order to finally turn Apple into a "real company". That is , one with profits over and above everything else. This unhealthy obsession he had with respecting the apple users community and other "ethical" programming was lousy for the bottom line. Had it not been for him they could have made triillions instead of billions every year.
  Or so they, in their overwhelming arrogance, seem to believe...
  *See Jane run*...
  oops.. it's...
  *Watch Apple swim!*
  *Watch Apple gasp for air!*
  *watch Apple thrash around*
  and..
  *Watch Apple sink*
53. Re: Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-16 07:37 · Score: 1
  
  I don't think they ever intended to port QuickDraw to the 6809. Raskin wanted a bitmapped machine, but it was Bud Tribble who saw what Bill Atkinson was doing with LisaGraf (later QuickDraw) and persuaded Burrell Smith to do a 68k Mac board. I don't think they had any graphics routines for the Mac at that point; they were still drawing stuff by hand in assembly.
  Some of that comports with what I have read, too; but I swear I read the bit about no one wanting to port Atkinson's LisaGraf to the 6809 somewhere. Hang on while I try to dredge that up....
  
  OK, I give up. It does seem that the decision to switch to the 68k was made long before QuckDraw was even an issue, and was made for different reasons (but I still know I read the other thing somewhere!)...
  
  But I DID find a great article on the Mac's development that I never ran into before (part I of the article is linked near the top). I share it here for you of anyone else interested in Mac history. One of the more interesting things in the article, at least to me, was that it was obvious from some of Jobs' statements that he read a much better grasp of hardware design issues than I ever thought.
54. Re: Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-16 07:44 · Score: 1
  
  I don't know about Quicktime, but he's not an idiot for doubting that site, given that the DOS claims are indeed horse-shit.
  Which part?
  
  Most, if not all, of the facts in the Roughly Drafted article, including the stuff about Gary Kildall AND CP/M and DOS and IBM and Compaq are contained in many other articles and books.
  
  So, if you have demonstrable proof to the contrary, I'm all eyes...
55. Re: Not the first time... by BasilBrush · 2016-04-16 08:00 · Score: 1
  
  All the parts the other poster already pointed out. He's right, the web-site is wrong. I'm not going to waste my time googling for you. I know he's right and the article is wrong, because I'm old enough to remember most of it.
  And bear in mind I'm saying this as someone who's often accused of being an Apple Shill. I have no reason to defend Microsoft.
  Choose to believe we're both wrong if you want. Your loss if your historical knowledge remains ill-informed.
56. Re: Not the first time... by macs4all · 2016-04-16 09:26 · Score: 1
  
  All the parts the other poster already pointed out. He's right, the web-site is wrong. I'm not going to waste my time googling for you. I know he's right and the article is wrong, because I'm old enough to remember most of it.
  And bear in mind I'm saying this as someone who's often accused of being an Apple Shill. I have no reason to defend Microsoft.
  Choose to believe we're both wrong if you want. Your loss if your historical knowledge remains ill-informed.
  I'm old, too. But unless I'm the victim of Oldtimer's , I seem to remember that stuff going down about that way. I must admit that I never paid that much attention to the DOS crowd, though. Been an Apple guy since the Apple 1, and still have the Apple 1 to prove it... ;-)
  
  So, I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. Maybe I'm wrong. But we're talking about MS; so, meh.
57. Re:Not the first time... by shanen · 2016-04-16 16:14 · Score: 1
  
  I was referring to user (AKA victim) perception of "Quick", not the technical or even etymological history of the usage.
  Perhaps the real problem between us is also philosophical. I am NOT an Apple fanbois, even though one of my first professional programming projects was for Apple II. It would be hard for me to decide which corporate philosophy is most detestable. They all stink so badly. My primary "beef" with Apple relates to my sig insofar as I think Apple deliberately decided to withhold much of the data needed for meaningful choice.
  
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58. Re:Not the first time... by Rakarra · 2016-04-20 05:41 · Score: 1
  
  What's next, iTunes?
  Oh please, oh please, oh pleeeeease.....
  For one of the richest tech companies on the planet, Apple's software record is nothing short of disgraceful. We can all joke about how pathetic and shitty their win applications are, but let's be realistic, these are created by professionals. Perhaps it's time to farm out design and coding, and stick to icon design and repackaging other companies' off the shelf components.
  You sound like someone who's had to deal with Mac ports to Windows. Quicktime for Windows and iTunes for Windows have always been dreadful, but they're pretty decent on the Mac side.
59. Re:Not the first time... by Rakarra · 2016-04-20 05:42 · Score: 1
  
  Gimping non-apple software on apple devices? Personally I have no idea. I don't touch apple shit, but it sounds exactly like something they would do.
  So you're running at the mouth and trolling then. Good.
60. Re:Not the first time... by Rakarra · 2016-04-20 05:44 · Score: 1
  
  What's next, iTunes?
  Oh please, oh please, oh pleeeeease.....
  They are more aggresive with iTunes. Instead of just not updating it, they are updating it to make it worse. You are still supposed to get the hint though.
  MORE aggressive with iTunes? Quicktime is the package that had a redesign that people hated so much the product basically forked itself, with the newer Quicktime 10 and the more-fondly-remembered Quicktime 7.
DUH! by freeze128 · 2016-04-14 19:04 · Score: 5, Funny

Do you know the difference between "Trend Micro" and "Micro Trends"?

Neither does the submitter.
1. Re:DUH! by ChunderDownunder · 2016-04-14 19:17 · Score: 1
  
  2 companies I've never heard of ? :)
2. Re:DUH! by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 01:05 · Score: 0
  
  Do you know the difference between "Trend Micro" and "Micro Trends"?
  Neither does the submitter.
  Neither does the "editor".
3. Re:DUH! by harryjohnston · 2016-04-15 09:04 · Score: 1
  
  Nope, not taking the blame for that one. :-)
  https://slashdot.org/submissio...
Editors? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:06 · Score: 3, Insightful

How do you manage to get the name of the company issuing the advisory wrong in the TITLE? You've got it right in the summary? Where did "Micro Trends" come from?
1. Re:Editors? by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:39 · Score: 1
  
  and the source link beside the title makes that fail about 1000 times worse. I'd say it's a spell check auto correct type thing but......... it can't be.
2. Re:Editors? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 02:51 · Score: 0
  
  Clearly the editor or the submitter was was talking about some old management book that apparently prophesied Apple eventually deprecating its awful video plugin for Windows.
yes please by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:10 · Score: 0

yes please uninstall the counterfiet malware version of our product that you are somehow running
Drop Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:12 · Score: -1, Troll

There's a simple solution. Stop using Apple products. Between bricking iPhones, quietly dropping support for their products, and deliberately protecting the communication of known terrorists, Apple is doing a lot of evil. Linux would never do any of these things. Switch to Linux and none of this will be an issue.
1. Re:Drop Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:33 · Score: 0
  
  If Linux backdoored my computer and uploaded all of my "known terrorist" files to the FBI, criminals certainly wouldn't use it, that's for sure. Nobody else would either.
2. Re:Drop Apple by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:42 · Score: 4, Insightful
  
  Now I have to call you on your BS here, the phone Apple refused to unlock was a government issued phone, there was no need to force unlock it, it was not a secure phone to begin with (from a terrorist stand point). And lets ignore the fact that all of the other attacks used straight up sms, no encryption, no magic whatsapp and no bullet codes on walls inside call of duty. And the next BS I have to call you on is "Linux" Linux isn't a company, linux isn't even an Operation System. Linux is an ECOSYSTEM of operating systems. Comparing an open community to a closed company highlights your bias. Apple sucks, Microsoft sucks, and to an extent, blatant linux fan boys suck worse.
3. Re:Drop Apple by LichtSpektren · 2016-04-15 00:30 · Score: 1
  
  I am a Linux proselytizer and I have to call bullshit on you. Apple is very good about fixing updates that bork devices, and they support devices for a very long time (although it'd be nice if they were more clear about which ones are EOL...). And how exactly are they "deliberately protecting the communication of known terrorists" any more than anybody who uses the Internet?
4. Re:Drop Apple by tom229 · 2016-04-15 00:51 · Score: 0
  
  Now I have to call bullshit on you. The FBI didn't want Apple to unlock it, they wanted them to assist in getting around the security runtime so they could attempt to break the encryption without reverse engineering the methods. A reasonable request. As we know, they were forced to go the reverse engineering route because Apple decided to run a PR campaign with the case If you want to be pedantic to discredit an argument, calling Linux"an ecosystem of operating systems"is a poor way to do it. Linux is a kernel. A kernel commonly used with a core of gnu programs to produce an operating system typically referred to as gnu/Linux. Different flavors of these programs are called distributions, and when talking about gnu/Linux it is very common to just say "Linux".
  
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5. Re:Drop Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 01:48 · Score: 0
  
  So you're dropping Android based on the same criteria? I didn't think so. You're just another bitchtard faggot.
6. Re:Drop Apple by Spamalope · 2016-04-15 01:52 · Score: 1
  
  The both of them engaged in play acting. The FBI wanted to oblige Apple to respond to thousands (or tens of thousands) of FISA requests a year. Also, Apple was happy to have a PR image of being secure while the FBI was happy if dumb criminals thought the iPhones were safe to store incriminating information on.
7. Re:Drop Apple by Penguinisto · 2016-04-15 02:24 · Score: 1
  
  Nitpick:
  Linux is just a kernel, nothing more - and certainly not this nebulous ecosystem thingy you describe. Yes, just a kernel - and not even a whole OS, let alone a group of them. It's up to the distro makers (e.g. RedHat, Novell/SuSE, Debian, etc) to take that kernel and make a whole operating system around it.
  
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8. Re:Drop Apple by omnichad · 2016-04-15 02:46 · Score: 1
  
  pedantically referred to as gnu/Linux
  FTFY. Typically, it's referred to as Linux.
9. Re:Drop Apple by macs4all · 2016-04-15 03:14 · Score: 1
  
  The both of them engaged in play acting. The FBI wanted to oblige Apple to respond to thousands (or tens of thousands) of FISA requests a year. Also, Apple was happy to have a PR image of being secure while the FBI was happy if dumb criminals thought the iPhones were safe to store incriminating information on.
  Citation, please, or STFU.
10. Re:Drop Apple by macs4all · 2016-04-15 03:15 · Score: 1
  
  I am a Linux proselytizer and I have to call bullshit on you. Apple is very good about fixing updates that bork devices, and they support devices for a very long time (although it'd be nice if they were more clear about which ones are EOL...). And how exactly are they "deliberately protecting the communication of known terrorists" any more than anybody who uses the Internet?
  Someone please mod this up!
11. Re: Drop Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 03:30 · Score: 0
  
  No, the FBI did not have a reasonable request. Reasonable would have been to ask for help with that particular phone. What they asked for, and got an order for, was for Apple to develop software that could unlock ALL iPhones of that type. That is so far away from 'reasonable' I can only conclude you work for the FBI, are a troll, or a paid shill.
12. Re:Drop Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 03:32 · Score: 0
  
  I am a Linux proselytizer and I have to call bullshit on you. Apple is very good about fixing updates that bork devices, and they support devices for a very long time (although it'd be nice if they were more clear about which ones are EOL...).
  Here you go
13. Re:Drop Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 04:02 · Score: 0
  
  Now I have to call bullshit on you.
  Careful, now.
  
  The FBI didn't want Apple to unlock it, they wanted them to assist in getting around the security runtime so they could attempt to break the encryption without reverse engineering the methods.
  Uh-huh.
  
  A reasonable request.
  Not in this universe, no.
14. Re: Drop Apple by tom229 · 2016-04-15 06:44 · Score: 1
  
  Yes they did. What you are relaying is simple misinformation, something this case has been utterly full of.
  
  The judge ruled Tuesday that the Cupertino-based company had to provide "reasonable technical assistance" to the government in recovering data from the iPhone 5c, including bypassing the auto-erase function and allowing investigators to submit an unlimited number of passwords in their attempts to unlock the phone. Apple has five days to respond to the court if it believes that compliance would be "unreasonably burdensome."
  
  Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701
  
  "Reasonable technical assistance" somehow got spun into "creating a permanent backdoor". I'll let you figure out who was doing the spinning.
  
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15. Re: Drop Apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 17:07 · Score: 0
  
  Actualy the court order (following the FBI's request) specifically allowed for Apple to limit the "special sw" to that one phone (IMEI, MAC ids, SPU seriel or whatever).
  And since it had to be uploaded via DFU mode it had to be signed with Apple's private key, thus the software could not be modified by the FBI or any outside agency to work on any other phones - unless you believe that Apple has already lost control over their private keys ??
  All in all it was a pretty good proposal. You could argue whether it should be allowed or not, but it wasn't a bad proposal.
16. Re: Drop Apple by tom229 · 2016-04-16 03:25 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, I know. It's clear there's an organised attempt to spread misinformation in this case. The angry mob is all in agreeance that the FBI wants a permanent backdoor and is trying to use corruption and intimidation to achieve it. This, of course, is complete hyperbole. Objective analysis is never applied due to Apple being notoriously good at marketing themselves as "the good guys". They couldn't be trying to pull one over on us could they? Why not? Remember people, this is a for-profit billionaire company several times over.
  
  Furthermore, if the angry mob understood how encryption actually worked they'd realize there's little cause for alarm. Encryption is math. Good encryption is not breakable by anyone that doesn't have the key without significant work. The problem Apple encounters with it's encryption is there's no user convenient way to encrypt the data. Most people will tolerate, at most, a 4 or 5 digit numeric pin due to the complexity of input on a touch screen, and the frequency at which phones need to be accessed from a locked state. A 4 digit pin offers a measly 100,000 possibilities. Brute forcing 100,000 possibilities is a trivial task for even 10 year old consumer hardware. To protect against this, the software that analyses the password input will irreversibly erase the complex encryption keys in the chain after 10 failed pin attempts. An informed person might ask "well couldn't you just mount the data externally from the Apple software? ". Of course. And this is likely what the FBI did. They likely copied the data, mounted it externally, found someone that reversed engineered the encryption algorithm iPhones use, and brute forced the pin outside the iPhone.
  
  Apple knows all this is possible. So you have to ask yourself "why would they bring attention to this?" Now the whole world knows that's it's pretty easy to break into an iPhone, and any phone for that matter. So why do it? Well, it could be that a major iPhone version is releasing this year. A major iPhone version that, by most leaked accounts, is shaping up to be pretty unimpressive. What better way to boost sales than to create an unnecessary controversy, scare everyone, and then sell the solution? Don't be surprised if the iPhone 7 very heavily campaigns on increased security, as was probably their intention all along - they just needed a controversy that would help sell it.
  
  What will no doubt make this whole charade even more nefarious is that there's only really two ways increase security: further obfuscate and complicate the encryption method, or store the keys online. The more you complicate the encryption the more you sacrifice performance. It is also not a guaranteed solution. The guaranteed solution would be to store the encryption keys online. While certainly inconvenient it could easily be sold as a necessary burden for critical data - like with corporations. Of course, this would also have the added benefit of further entrenching iPhone users and companies into the Apple ecosystem. It will truly give Apple all the keys to the castle - all the control. Make sure you can always see the forest for the trees.
  
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17. Re:Drop Apple by Rakarra · 2016-04-20 06:05 · Score: 1
  
  The both of them engaged in play acting. The FBI wanted to oblige Apple to respond to thousands (or tens of thousands) of FISA requests a year. Also, Apple was happy to have a PR image of being secure while the FBI was happy if dumb criminals thought the iPhones were safe to store incriminating information on.
  Citation, please, or STFU.
  Well I can't respond to the "Apple was happy to ..." blabla that is sheer speculation, but for the first part, Director Comey is on record for saying that he hoped the Apple case could set a precedent (after saying the case would not be used to set a precedent) and be used by other courts to order the unlocking of phones in ordinary criminal cases. Source
People still use Quicktime? by advocate_one · 2016-04-14 19:19 · Score: 4, Insightful

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1. Re: People still use Quicktime? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:57 · Score: 0
  
  Anyone using Safari on Windows trying to play html5 media in that browser.
2. Re:People still use Quicktime? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 21:49 · Score: 0
  
  The only reason I've ever had it is because a lot of games need it to display cut-scenes. In that sense, QuickTime has on Windows always been like Smacker and Bink; nobody actually used it to watch series and films.
3. Re:People still use Quicktime? by j235 · 2016-04-14 22:22 · Score: 1
  
  I wouldn't say "a lot" of games. The only Windows game that I can think of that requires Quicktime is Escape Velocity Nova.
4. Re:People still use Quicktime? by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:43 · Score: 1
  
  I'd say I play a lot of games. I haven't seen quicktime as a requirement, or included on an install disk or iso, in a very very long time.
5. Re:People still use Quicktime? by thegarbz · 2016-04-14 23:07 · Score: 2
  
  Interestingly yes. Major camera makers still use the Quicktime container to store MP4 video. Major editing vendors still require Quicktime installed to play videos.
  As for people using Quicktime to play videos... I don't think this was ever the case.
6. Re:People still use Quicktime? by thegarbz · 2016-04-14 23:08 · Score: 1
  
  because a lot of games need it to display cut-scenes
  Most games definitely do not use quicktime. Typically BinkVideo or some other proprietary codec which can scale with system load and not bog down loading in the background.
7. Re: People still use Quicktime? by stealth_finger · 2016-04-14 23:09 · Score: 1
  
  Anyone using Safari on Windows trying to play html5 media in that browser.
  Why would anyone on windows use safari?
  
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8. Re: People still use Quicktime? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 23:26 · Score: 0
  
  To test websites on MSIE, FF, Chrome[-ium], and Safari without having to purchase over priced hardware?
9. Re:People still use Quicktime? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 23:33 · Score: 0
  
  Granted, ‘a lot’ is a bit subjective, but if you haven't come across a game using QuickTime you definitely haven't played a lot of games. It's used a lot, especially by older games and point-and-click adventures.
10. Re: People still use Quicktime? by Gavagai80 · 2016-04-15 00:18 · Score: 2
  
  You're not really testing Safari if you're testing the deceased Windows version of it. It's not the version that any users are using.
  
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11. Re:People still use Quicktime? by Scoth · 2016-04-15 00:45 · Score: 1
  
  Certainly not for more than the five or ten seconds it takes to change the default back to your preferred media player because Quicktime stole the file association again, dammit.
12. Re:People still use Quicktime? by Malc · 2016-04-15 01:11 · Score: 1
  
  ProRes is really quite popular especially in the professional space. What are alternative solutions for decoding ProRes on Windows?
13. Re:People still use Quicktime? by qvatch · 2016-04-15 01:21 · Score: 1
  
  it's easier since realplayer isn't also waiting to steal them
14. Re:People still use Quicktime? by Penguinisto · 2016-04-15 02:29 · Score: 1
  
  As for people using Quicktime to play videos... I don't think this was ever the case.
  Back in the 90s and early 2000s this was often the case (see also files with the *.mov extension), but as time went on the requirement slowed.
  You don't see it as much these days because apps like VLC already have Quicktime decoders built-in to their product, and they just play it as a matter of course.
  
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15. Re:People still use Quicktime? by PPH · 2016-04-15 03:11 · Score: 1
  
  People still use Windows?
  
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16. Re:People still use Quicktime? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 07:57 · Score: 0
  
  I was actually using quicktime up until I read this article. Then I hopped in my time machine, went back in time 10 years, and told myself to stop using it.
17. Re:People still use Quicktime? by DreadPiratePizz · 2016-04-15 08:15 · Score: 1
  
  If it's an mp4 file, it's not using a quicktime container. The quicktime container is .mov.
18. Re:People still use Quicktime? by thegarbz · 2016-04-15 10:38 · Score: 1
  
  I didn't say MP4 file. I said MP4 video, being common shorthand for video compression complying with the ISO standard for MPEG-4, a standard which defines things like video compression (h.263 is a derivative of Part2 of the standard) and the MP4 container file format which is defined in Part 12.
  Incidentally Part 12 is originally based on the QuickTimeFileFormat (.mov) and the that format is a fully compliant extension of the standard. The annex of the MPEG-4 standard which details the container format actually directly references Apple and indirectly the quicktime format. So in a way even if I did incorrectly say MP4 file it actually IS still using a quicktime container, or something so close to it that it would be hard to tell it apart given that in many cases you can happily rename the .mov file to .mp4 and have the MPEG-4 container CODEC still make sense of the streams in the file.
19. Re:People still use Quicktime? by Farmer+Tim · 2016-04-15 18:56 · Score: 1
  
  There are a few alternate ProRes codecs and converters out there.
  
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the straw by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:21 · Score: 0

Not able to afford to fix some cross platform problem or unable to maintain it ?? Who really needs QT?
My camera / tablet and phone records Mpeg. This might be the "straw" the economy is waiting for a burst.
Hire some more windows people before it's too late dipple...
The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:22 · Score: -1

The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY to maintain their human appearance
Human flesh exists in a lot of foods today. Sometimes it makes the news. These are PTB slip ups, and/or conditioning this reality.
They rely on the consumption of human flesh to retain their human appearance. They all have the same scent. They exist from the bottom to the top of the pyramid. Some are bums, some are middle/upper class, some are those dancing for you on TV, in a web of deceit to keep your mind and body occupied.
If you want to try and let one of them know that you know what they are, you might say to them:
"This hamburger is really quite human"
(inhale deeply) "This planet is filled with creatures which all smell the same"
"I hope you enjoyed your flesh burger"
"How long did your last regeneration period last?"
"What office do you work for?"
1. Re: The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:11 · Score: 0
  
  ^this guys got some potent crack.
2. Re: The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:44 · Score: 0
  
  and is the reason that I'd vote 100% to disable AC posting, even though it's roughly 1% of the AC posts that are like this and the apps apper apeshit asshat
3. Re:The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by stealth_finger · 2016-04-14 23:10 · Score: 1
  
  This is luddite shit, the apps guy was much better
  
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4. Re:The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by sabbede · 2016-04-14 23:30 · Score: 1
  
  What's the PTB?
5. Re:The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by omnichad · 2016-04-15 02:52 · Score: 1
  
  Don't you know how to Google? It's the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt. I don't know what this has to do with metrology, though.
6. Re: The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 05:48 · Score: 0
  
  I've been using /. almost daily since 1999, I have never and will never make an account here.
  Who is writing has nothing to do with the content of what is being written.
  Also, only LUDDITES need usernames, etc.
7. Re:The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by sabbede · 2016-04-17 23:39 · Score: 1
  
  So, not the industrial vacuum pump repair/refurb company then? I guess not, "The PTB Sales" doesn't really fit grammatically with the rest of the comment. Of all the acronyms Google came back with, the German meteorologist group is the only one that does fit, but I thought Germany solved it's cannibalism problems.
8. Re:The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by omnichad · 2016-04-18 01:20 · Score: 1
  
  Oh no, not meteorologists, metrologists. Study of measures. Human flesh is measured in kilograms.
9. Re:The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by omnichad · 2016-04-18 01:22 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, and in case you weren't joking at all, it's The Powers That Be.
10. Re:The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPLY by sabbede · 2016-04-18 23:09 · Score: 1
  
  OH! Not as funny as your other answer, but it does clear things up for me. Sort of. Now I'm just left with the mystery of who or what he thinks the PTB are. Is he really suggesting that the planet is run by Time Lords ("regeneration period") with a penchant for cannibal voyeurism? On it's own, an odd fetish; for a fictional alien race, even stranger.
I hope there is a misunderstanding by Ilgaz · 2016-04-14 19:23 · Score: 5, Insightful

QuickTime does power a lot of professional video workload, perhaps Apple tried to say that they are dropping the browser plugin via removing it in an update which is seriously overdue. Apple wasted a great technology but whatever, days of plugins are long gone.
If there is no misunderstanding, that should be a final wakeup call to creative professionals.
1. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by myid · 2016-04-14 19:50 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  Regarding browser plug-ins, this article on Apple's website tells you how to remove QuickTime 7 for Windows. The article states,
  
  Uninstalling QuickTime 7 also removes the legacy QuickTime 7 web plug-in, if present. Websites increasingly use the HTML5 web standard for a better video-playback experience across a wide range of browsers and devices, without additional software or plug-ins. Removing legacy browser plug-ins enhances the security of your PC.
2. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by Lumpy · 2016-04-14 22:16 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  There is. The summary and the story is completely freaking wrong.
  It's the browser plugin only that is discontinued. Quicktime is still supported as it is a big part of video editing on both platforms. Hell my latest canon 4K pro camera writes video in MOV format natively.
  
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3. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 23:15 · Score: 0
  
  QuickTime is shit. Always has been. Despite Apples attempt to make it popular by initially forcing movie studios to release movie trailers only in Quicktime format, people saw through the bullshit. I haven't installed QuickTime since I left Windows 98. On the professional side of things, I've done non-linear editing and video production since the Amiga 2000. No one I know, including myself, would use QuickTime for anything. You've obviously been drinking the Apple kool-aid.
4. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by omnichad · 2016-04-15 02:54 · Score: 1
  
  QuickTime does power a lot of professional video workload
  Yeah, and they want to power that on the Mac. What do they gain if other video editing software is built on their backs and they don't get a dime?
5. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by ChunderDownunder · 2016-04-15 03:05 · Score: 1
  
  My recollection of the dialup era is that the codecs that Apple bundled with Quicktime (Sorenson?) gave it an edge initially over AVI and MPEG.
6. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by omnichad · 2016-04-15 03:05 · Score: 1
  
  DaVinci Resolve installs Quicktime as part of the installer. Its main purpose is not an NLE, but it's a pretty major piece of software.
  It's only been recently that Quicktime wasn't installed by default with Adobe Premiere Pro.
  And what about ProRes?
7. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by Solandri · 2016-04-15 03:07 · Score: 5, Informative
  
  MOV is just a container format (as are MP4 and AVI and MKV and a bunch of others) . Containers wrap up separate video, audio, subtitles, chapter lists, etc. files into one package so it's easier to move them around. The actual video file is usually h.264 (almost everything new) or MPEG4, the sound usually AAC or AC3 or MP3, subtitles are .srt or .sub, chapter lists are usually just a text file, etc. There are a bunch of other supported formats as well. Read all about them here.
  
  When your computer "plays" a container file, it first demuxes (de-multiplexes, or separates out) the individual files, then uses the appropriate codec to play each one. That's why sometimes one MOV or AVI file will play fine while another does not - you are probably missing a required codec for the latter file, or your codec is out of date. "Support" for a container format is trivial, as it just amounts to what types of files are supported, what order you're putting the actual files in the container, and what kind of padding and indexing is added. Some containers add more features though, which is where you start getting into trouble with vulnerabilities. If you give your container format the ability to change the kitchen sink, then a browser extension which supports your container will allow a website to change the user's kitchen sink.
  
  A long, long time ago, back in the RealPlayer days, Quicktime was an actual video format. But it's long since been superseded (it was rolled into MPEG4).
8. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by macs4all · 2016-04-15 03:20 · Score: 1
  
  QuickTime does power a lot of professional video workload, perhaps Apple tried to say that they are dropping the browser plugin via removing it in an update which is seriously overdue. Apple wasted a great technology but whatever, days of plugins are long gone.
  If there is no misunderstanding, that should be a final wakeup call to creative professionals.
  I just got a QuickTime for Windows Update for my Win 7 laptop offered to me by Apple's Software Update Service like less than a month ago; so it's not dead yet.
9. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 05:00 · Score: 0
  
  it first demuxes (de-multiplexes, or separates out) the individual streams
  
  you are probably missing a required codec for the latter stream
  
  "Support" for a container format is trivial, as it just amounts to what types of streams are supported, what order you're putting the actual streams in the container
  FTFY.
  And "Quicktime" was never a video format. It was always just the framework/API, the player, and the .mov/MOOV container format. Back in the day, the video codec was usually Sorenson in those MOOVs. Audio was usually AIFC/uLaw. MPEG-1 came along a while later and improved things a little.
10. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by hjf · 2016-04-15 08:27 · Score: 1
  
  Lightroom whines that I don't have Quicktime installed if I try to import a folder from my camera that has MOV files in it.
11. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by omnichad · 2016-04-15 08:41 · Score: 1
  
  Gotta generate those thumbnails.
12. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by harryjohnston · 2016-04-15 09:18 · Score: 1
  
  Do you have a reference for that? I'd love to see something from Apple to explain what's going on. If they're actually going to release a patch, that's great, but why did they tell Trend Micro they wouldn't?
  We're not talking about Quicktime as a standard, by the way, just the Quicktime for Windows software. This news doesn't (directly) affect your camera.
13. Re:I hope there is a misunderstanding by harryjohnston · 2016-04-25 10:36 · Score: 1
  
  It's official now.
What Else To Use? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:28 · Score: 0

If not QuickTime Windows, then what else to use to play Quicktime files??
Dumb article.
1. Re:What Else To Use? by mikaw · 2016-04-14 20:35 · Score: 0
  
  I was wondering the same and at least VLC media player "says" it will play those.
  I think I might have some music cd's or other where there are Quicktime-files. Not that I've seen those in many many years.
2. Re:What Else To Use? by UnsignedInt32 · 2016-04-14 20:49 · Score: 3, Interesting
  
  VLC actually "plays" QuickTime (well, mostly MP4 these days?) files just fine.
  The problem is creating the file. I work in a video game industry, and for things like trailers, sometimes clients/partners requires use of certain settings which assumes QuickTime is in use. I have tried some alternative software to do this task, but I have often observed them often creates non-satisfactory result, especially when it deals with non-PC consoles.
  Having said that recently, software like blender, start to be able to produce fairly consistent/reliable results, it has been very messy to generate appropriately formatted results, and I can see there still may be edge cases where lack of access to QuickTime can be an issue. (Though, I'd say, 90% of them, it no longer is a problem.)
3. Re:What Else To Use? by meerling · 2016-04-14 21:14 · Score: 1
  
  So do other things, like MPC for instance.
  Of course, I haven't installed quicktime on a computer in a very very long time. I always find something else to play it if I have to.
4. Re:What Else To Use? by Midnight+Thunder · 2016-04-14 21:39 · Score: 2
  
  I am on a Mac and rarely find myself using Quicktime. It had its day, but the MPEG4 container has for the most-part taken its place. The Quicktime player is even less used. Its a shame clients/partners haven't made the shift.
  There are indeed edge cases, like when Apple uses an atom that the MPEG4 specification doesn't yet support, such as TimedMetadata.
  BTW For the most part, converting a recent .mov to an .mp4 is as simple as specifying ffmpeg with 'copy' for vcodec and acodec, since it has the benefit of simply copying the audio and video atoms, rather than transcoding them.
  
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5. Re: What Else To Use? by UnsignedInt32 · 2016-04-14 22:03 · Score: 2
  
  Yes, except some of those places would actually specify for QuickTime format itself rather than MP4. Granted most of places happily accept something other than that, but some sectors of video game industries are very conservative on things!
6. Re:What Else To Use? by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:47 · Score: 1
  
  I thought Blender (3d modeling / rendering software for those who don't know) was able to export to all of the expected formats, that was kind of the point of an open source 3d tool to replace maya, 3dmax and lightwav.
7. Re:What Else To Use? by sabbede · 2016-04-14 23:40 · Score: 1
  
  Really? Is that mainly an issue with specific platforms, or many-to-all platforms? I'd kind of expect it for Mac/iOS development, but if you're developing a PC or console game and running into the issue, then that's baffling. Why do they expect Quicktime?
8. Re:What Else To Use? by omnichad · 2016-04-15 03:11 · Score: 1
  
  converting a recent .mov to an .mp4 is as simple as specifying ffmpeg with 'copy' for vcodec and acodec,
  You could just rename .mov to .mp4. Quicktime's container was adopted relatively unchanged for MPEG-4. It should be close enough to let it open.
Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by wonkey_monkey · 2016-04-14 19:29 · Score: 5, Funny

Apple Deprecating Quicktime For Windows, Micro Trends Urges Users To Uninstall

However, Trend Micro released a security advisory today describing two zero-day vulnerabilities for Quicktime for Windows
Is Slashdot now running on one of those "not always right" chips? Micro Trends, Trend Micro, close enough.
Fasttime for Windoes deprecated by Pear.

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1. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:06 · Score: -1
  
  Slashdot is horrible these days. The new owner is a joke. The guy who spams their agenda (whiplash or whatever) is such a shill. All talk, no action. As long as the summaries keep getting worse week by week there isn't much they can promise us in the future. However, at this point I do not even care what happens next...
2. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:34 · Score: 5, Interesting
  
  Is it really any different from when CmdrTaco ran Slashdot?
  There were always plenty of dupes. Stories were full of misspellings and awful grammar. Some of the summaries had significant problems with them. Taco wrote a rant and posted it as a story one time saying that he wanted Slashdot to be that way. He defended the story selection in another rant.
  And people always complained about Slashdot sucking and said it used to be better. They hated user accounts, moderation, Slash 2.0, the friends/foes system, D2, and so many other things. Most of the comments in any JonKatz story were complaining about JonKatz. They complained the quality of comments had declined. One person in particular, Bruce Perens, threw a huge fit saying that there were too many user IDs with names similar to his, which is why Slashdot shows the user ID numbers in comments to this day.
  There have been some changes to how stories get posted. For one, there haven't been any Forbes links posted in a long time. This seems to be an editorial policy in response to the demands of users.
  The single biggest issue I have is that Slashdot's CMS should be open source like it used to be. I firmly believe the new management could do that right now if they desired it. As a show of good faith, release the source and put it back on Sourceforge. That's the one thing that really irks me.
  Otherwise, I think most of the complaints are BS. If you don't like the stories being posted, vote them down in Firehose and submit better ones. Fix the grammar and resubmit the story to Firehose before it gets posted. Grow some stones and do something instead of bitching about stuff that actually is in your power to change.
3. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 22:15 · Score: -1
  
  "Grow some stones and do something instead of bitching about stuff that actually is in your power to change."
  Umm, what? Why don't YOU fix the horrible summaries and worthless crap news with ads and other nonsense? Because you don't care? Okay...
  Just because someone is "bitching" about the quality does not necessarily mean they would have to do it all by themselves. You should grow up. And this site was a lot better back in the CmdrTaco days (and you know it).
  And about the Forbes thing. If they really fixed it then that is just great. It shows that "bitching" actually works for the better. But hey, if you just want to go along with the flow without ever raising any concers then be my guest... But please don't throw that "do it yourself or stop whining" garbage. The readers are just as important as are the submitters and this site still gets its revenue from ads (99.99% which get viewed by others than submitters). Remember that.
4. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 22:19 · Score: 0
  
  Back in the CmdrTaco days Slashdot had 10x more articles a day. At that pace small grammar errors were not such a big deal since you got quantity over quality. And usually the topics were interesting or somehow relevant. Nowadays we have, what 10-15 posts a day about things we have already learned from other places a day or two before? And even those are written by an eight year old. That is just lazy and stupid if you ask me...
5. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Lumpy · 2016-04-14 22:21 · Score: 1
  
  Slashdot USED to have a lot of celebrity and A list tech people here, but the trolls making countless accounts with the names insanely similar to their posting crap is what drove them off. The troll problem here has always been horrible and very little done to try and fix it. and whenever any fix came out, People whined and bitched.
  
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6. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:50 · Score: 2
  
  While I agree that complaining about dupe posts and horrific grammar/spelling as well as blatantly wrong or misleading summaries has always been a part of slash dot... I disagree at the proportion of non-geek news articles that have been hitting the site, this has been on a steady increase, but the truth is, that started before the change of hands. Let us not forget this is a community driven site, if you are not seeing articles on the topics you want, there's an easy fix.
7. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by phishybongwaters · 2016-04-14 22:54 · Score: 1
  
  Well slashdot has always been a nicer 4chan. Getting rid of the AC posting is a first step. We all have the option to flag and report posts, I typically reserve that for the really horrible stuff and I haven't had to do that in a long time. What would your suggestion be? Moderators? I think we both know how that ends up working, a few good mods, a lot of bitching, 1 bad mod, a loss of community members. i'm not sure there IS a fix, other than trying to hammer the site with quality, relevant, articles ourselves. But you know what? People will STILL complain. People will complain when you make an insightful comment, people will complain when YOU complain. there is no winning here.
8. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by AmiMoJo · 2016-04-14 23:04 · Score: 1
  
  I think Taco deservers a lot more credit than he generally gets, although I'm sure others had some influence too. He created what is a nearly perfect comment and moderation system. For all the complaints about it, it's by far the best anywhere on the internet. People have been trying for years to game the system, with only limited success.
  The only outstanding flaw seems to be that newly created accounts are more likely to mod points. Thus people keep creating new accounts, doing a few posts and some meta mods to build up their karma and get some mod points, and then mod-bombing people they disagree with. It doesn't matter that they account gets burned by meta-mods later, those Troll and Flamebait mods still stick.
  
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9. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 23:21 · Score: 0, Offtopic
  
  I've done my share of trolling, and I'll defend it. Proper trolling isn't a whole lot different from satire. There are a lot of people here who don't think for themselves, have horrible biases, and make Slashdot a lot less interesting to read. There's a definite anti-US bias in many of the comments. Rather than actually considering whether something is good or bad, right or wrong, people will accept when Europe does certain things but not when the US does. People are quick to criticize Microsoft for anything and everything, without considering whether MS is doing some good or bad, or even whether or not something is factually correct. There's a blatant bias against law enforcement, even when they follow the Constitution and get warrants to investigate a particular suspect with probable cause that's very real. There's also a bias in favor of piracy, because copyright must be bad when the movie studios and recording industry uses it, but not when it's used to enforce the GPL. We live in a world where there are shades of gray rather than clear good and bad. The article summaries and comments on Slashdot frequently don't reflect those things.
  When I troll, I try to counter that bias with satire that makes people stop and think. Trolling and satire are very much related; both rely on absurdity to achieve their effects. When people actually have to stop, argue with someone, defend their position, and not merely partake in the groupthink, well, I think that's a good thing. People need to put aside their biases and actually think for themselves.
  I think there's been a downward trend in the quality of stories and posts, long before the current ownership took over. There used to be a lot of intelligent, well thought out discussion that took place on Slashdot. That is in decline, and has been for some time. Slashdot used to have a lot more comments and, presumably, a lot more mod points in circulation. The editors would spend some time using their unlimited mod points to send the true crap to -1. The remaining mod points would mostly go to modding up truly interesting posts. You could rely on the moderation system to highlight which comments were worth reading and discussing. I don't see as many truly insightful comments being modded up anymore. And I don't care to wade through 40 "Republicans hate us and want us to die" comments from a single jackass that are still at 0 to find the gems that haven't been modded up yet.
  There's a lot of stuff that's been lost, too. Users frequently submitted their own features and book reviews to Slashdot. Inteviews were another common feature. Some of the people being interviewed would hang around and comment in those stories. Those are long gone.
  Just my opinion...
10. Re: Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 00:06 · Score: 0
  
  How did this get -1? Mod points can be such bs.
11. Re: Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 00:15 · Score: 1
  
  AC posting was what made Slashdot a good forum. Anyone can drop in and comment with little effort.
  Sure there are downsides but my fellow members of Anonymous are not what has killed Slashdot. Selling to Andover and then being sold and resold a few more times after that is what killed Slashdot.
12. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by Gavagai80 · 2016-04-15 00:25 · Score: 1
  
  The single biggest issue I have is that Slashdot's CMS should be open source like it used to be. I firmly believe the new management could do that right now if they desired it. As a show of good faith, release the source and put it back on Sourceforge. That's the one thing that really irks me.
  Quite possibly it's full of crufty security flaws they'd rather not make easier to find.
  
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13. Re:Micro Trends, Trend Micro, same thing, right? by yoshi_mon · 2016-04-15 03:04 · Score: 1
  
  > Well slashdot has always been a nicer 4chan.
  I'm guessing you mean that in the sense of what 4chan represents as an internet culture not literally. Given that /. was launched in 1997 and 4chan in 2003.
  But I do agree with your underlying point as all online forums face similar issues. And this is even bigger than a online issue rather an issue with human nature. I personally think that keeping AC around is a good thing because it gives the opportunity for people who would otherwise not want to be able to speak out that option. It is a form of speech that is chilled without it and we then all lose.
  So what I have learned to do, and mind you it is not easy, is try to just sift though the much and take what gems you can find. Much like RL.
  
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Deprecated by bickerdyke · 2016-04-14 19:39 · Score: 1

Oh come on... Windows users have deprecated Quicktime ages ago!

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Finally! by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 19:48 · Score: 1

Haven't had that piece of junk on my computers for years! Anyone getting hacked through that shit, deserves it fully!
1. Re:Finally! by Mascot · 2016-04-14 20:44 · Score: 1
  
  A number of video editing solutions require it for functionality, though. Which was lazy of them to begin with, I'd agree, but it is what it is.
  On the other hand, I don't see much reason to panic. Avoid the browser plug-in, use a different player for any video files, and I don't see what attack vectors might remain.
2. Re:Finally! by stealth_finger · 2016-04-15 00:22 · Score: 1
  
  A number of video editing solutions require it for functionality, though. Which was lazy of them to begin with, I'd agree, but it is what it is.
  True, but it only gets installed because it has to be for codecs or whatever reason it is then it never gets used. Ever. It's worse than the real media player used to be.
  
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3. Re:Finally! by MrNiceguy_KS · 2016-04-15 02:42 · Score: 1
  
  I've encountered a number of programs that use QT codecs for handling mp4 files, including, I believe, some versions of Powerpoint. I help out with some of the tech work at our church, and I know that the presentation software we use won't play mp4 files without QuickTime installed.
  
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4. Re:Finally! by stealth_finger · 2016-04-15 05:51 · Score: 1
  
  Yeah, I bet you never use quicktime to play anything. You'd damn the whole congregation by association. Hell only has QuickTime installed.
  
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Re: People still use Safari? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 20:22 · Score: 0

n/t
Good by stealth_finger · 2016-04-14 20:25 · Score: 1

Quicktime was shit.

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And nothing of value was lost by allcoolnameswheretak · 2016-04-14 20:31 · Score: 1

Who the fuck was still using Quicktime in 2016?!?
Off with their heads!
1. Re:And nothing of value was lost by meerling · 2016-04-14 21:16 · Score: 1
  
  Who was using it in 2010 ?
2. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 21:23 · Score: 0
  
  obligatory insensitive clod u
3. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Ash-Fox · 2016-04-14 21:45 · Score: 1
  
  Who the fuck was still using Quicktime in 2016?!?
  Apple's iTunes.
  
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4. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 22:15 · Score: 0
  
  I haven't used QuickTime for Windows since the 1990's.
5. Re:And nothing of value was lost by arakeen · 2016-04-14 22:16 · Score: 1
  
  iTunes broke the link to QuickTime a few years back, so QT isn't needed for basic iTunes functionality any more. I think it's still needed to play some old videos, but for the most part iTunes can run on its own (well, apart from Apple Application Support, Bonjour, Apple Mobile Device Support...)
6. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Dutch+Gun · 2016-04-14 22:51 · Score: 1
  
  Someone who never bothered removing it from their browser perhaps? I actually had it installed on my music workstation because so many music-related sites used it for their antiquated music sample players, etc, but that was years ago. I just now went and purged it all from my system.
  
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7. Re:And nothing of value was lost by sabbede · 2016-04-14 23:43 · Score: 1
  
  Oh, like you're not playing Myst? Don't deny it, you love your 90's era, QT based, interactive screensavers.
8. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 01:00 · Score: 0
  
  This.
  I have avoided the piece of crap since I realized that uninstalling it completely required a complete reinstall... of Windows 2000.
9. Re:And nothing of value was lost by tom229 · 2016-04-15 01:13 · Score: 1
  
  Maybe people that liked it, or people that assume it's still the only way to play an avi. I personally still see people install winzip with all it's glorious spyware the minute they encounter a zip file, even though Windows has had native zip support for years. The point is, you have to tell people when you stop supporting a product. Perhaps if they saw a way to improve their image in the media they would have told us. "FBI and trend micro wants backdoor in QuickTime so they can hurt your children". Missed opportunity for their shameless PR machine indeed.
  
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10. Re:And nothing of value was lost by harryjohnston · 2016-04-15 10:09 · Score: 1
  
  In an enterprise environment, taking anything away is risky, because you can never be sure you know all the possible dependencies. Leaving Quicktime in place meant deploying the occasional update, but only a few times a year; next to Firefox, Thunderbird, Acrobat and Java it barely registered. It was way less work to update it than it would have been to figure out whether or not we could safely remove it.
  Basically, well, what your .sig says; it wasn't broken, so we didn't try to fix it.
  Now it's broken.
11. Re:And nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 10:47 · Score: 0
  
  Oh, like you're not playing Myst? Don't deny it, you love your 90's era, QT based, interactive screensavers.
  No, YOU'RE a 90's era, QT based, interactive screensaver.
12. Re:And nothing of value was lost by toddestan · 2016-04-15 17:55 · Score: 1
  
  How old is your system? I don't think I've installed Quicktime (or any of Apple's shoddy Windows software) since the Windows 98 days...
This will cause you to convert by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 21:22 · Score: -1

Most of the gay porn uses quick time. I guess apple, being a gay company, has decided to to boycott MSoft due to their blatantly heterosexual bent.
Can't really blame them. Faggot's need to stick together if they want to take over the world. You will be assimilated by the penis. Remember women are icky and saying 'Hi' to them will get you brought up on charges of sexual harassment.
Penis Pride!!!
Faggots Rule!!!!
Quicktime plugin disabled in OSX too by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 22:04 · Score: 1

Quicktime has been dying for years. In Safari 9 the Quicktime plugin is disabled and unless you really need it Apple recommends leaving it that way.
You can go into Safari plugins and enable it, but clearly I think Apple has totally washed its hands of it. The reason no body knows this, is that hardly any one but
Apple and a few developers ever used Quicktime in the first place.
iTunes and Quicktime by Mr_Silver · 2016-04-14 22:17 · Score: 2

If Apple really have deprecated Quicktime then it would be nice if, in their next iTunes update, they remove the nag screen that keeps popping up telling you to install Quicktime.
I ended up installing it to stop the damn thing appearing.

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1. Re:iTunes and Quicktime by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 00:33 · Score: 0
  
  I only install iTunes for jailbreaking purposes, so I don't know everything. You can extract the iTunes installer with, e.g., 7-zip. Inside are the component installer MSIs (e.g., iTunes itself, Bonjour, the updater). Then you can just piecewise install the things you want. Before installing iTunes, instead of QuickTime, you can install QuickTime Alternative. Then, I don't think it will bug you.
more sad security from apple by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 22:20 · Score: 0

Apple have an atrocious security record. I think they believe if they simply keep quiet each time there is an issue or just keep marking security updates as just regular updates that it will just fade away, for many of the apple faithful this approach sadly seems to work too. If you ask 99% of them they don't have a clue and think apple actually do security well.
1. Re:more sad security from apple by tom229 · 2016-04-15 01:27 · Score: 1
  
  Increasingly they are being touted as "the most secure" platform by this fanboi base. While normally that would be harmless, this base seems to include hipster-run "tech" (and I use that term lightly) websites like wired and engadget who gleefully distribute whatever propaganda the Apple PR department dreams up. While most informed people know these publications are garbage, they become a source of citogenesis for the naive and deluded helping Apple skew reality and incessantly reinforce their "good guy" image. The best run, most noble, most secure platform that is always looking out for the little guy right? Utterly laughable to the informed, but many people believe this.
  
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Re: The PTB rely on HUMAN FLESH in the FOOD SUPPL by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 23:04 · Score: 0

There's no reason for that.
This shit can be safely deleted. Nobody is going to cry if staff would delete off topic nonsense.
Is that you Sen. Feinstein? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-14 23:07 · Score: 0

and is the reason that I'd vote 100% to disable AC posting, even though it's roughly 1% of the AC posts that are like this and the apps apper apeshit asshat
*sigh* People like you are why the PATRIOT Act passed.
Deprecating on Mac, too? by drinkypoo · 2016-04-14 23:35 · Score: 2

It seems like people don't really use Quicktime any more. Thankfully, I haven't actually seen a mov file in literally years. Are they going to stop pushing their stupid proprietary video format on their own platform as well? It seems like not bothering with the Windows software can only be part of recognizing that no one uses it, and that it's dead. If your format isn't cross-platform, nobody should care about it...

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1. Re:Deprecating on Mac, too? by Ash-Fox · 2016-04-15 00:17 · Score: 1
  
  Thankfully, I haven't actually seen a mov file in literally years.
  
  My Nikon SLR camera produces mov files for videos, but fortunately they're playable by pretty much everything, so it's not really a big issue.
  
  It seems like not bothering with the Windows software can only be part of recognizing that no one uses it
  Windows 7 and higher have had full native .mov support, so I don't think it's even necessary on Windows for a variety of reasons.
  
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2. Re:Deprecating on Mac, too? by omnichad · 2016-04-15 03:22 · Score: 1
  
  They got their container adopted as an ISO standard, albeit with a different filename (mp4). I wouldn't say it's dead. It's just so widely supported that the Quicktime Player itself isn't usually needed.
3. Re:Deprecating on Mac, too? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 04:11 · Score: 0
  
  Yeah, tell Apple to stop releasing their nasty proprietary formats and submitting them for standards approval so they become the worldwide file format standard for video (MP4)!
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG-4_Part_14
4. Re:Deprecating on Mac, too? by tepples · 2016-04-15 04:53 · Score: 1
  
  My Nikon SLR camera produces mov files for videos, but fortunately they're playable by pretty much everything, so it's not really a big issue.
  If the mov files have MPEG-4 video and audio inside, you can rename them to mp4 and they'll still work. The MPEG-4 container is compatible with the QuickTime container.
5. Re:Deprecating on Mac, too? by Ash-Fox · 2016-04-15 08:02 · Score: 1
  
  If the mov files have MPEG-4 video and audio inside, you can rename them to mp4 and they'll still work.
  But that doesn't mean that suddenly become MP4 files from what I can see here:
  
  $ file DSC_1731.MOV DSC_1731.MOV: ISO Media, Apple QuickTime movie, Apple QuickTime (.MOV/QT) $ cp DSC_1731.MOV DSC_1731.mp4 $ file DSC_1731.mp4 DSC_1731.mp4: ISO Media, Apple QuickTime movie, Apple QuickTime (.MOV/QT)
  
  Also doesn't appear to open in my mp4-only editing tools.
  
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Knife the Baby by Rob+Lister · 2016-04-14 23:46 · Score: 3, Interesting

Blast from the past ...

According to Tevanian, Apple executive Peter Hoddie asked Microsoft officials, "'Are you asking us to kill playback? Are you asking us to knife the baby?'" He said Microsoft official Christopher Phillips responded, "'Yes, we want you to knife the baby.' It was very clear."

http://www.businessweek.com/mi...
So the baby has finally been knifed, some 18 years later.
Remember to Donate. by geekmux · 2016-04-14 23:56 · Score: 1

While I don't use Quicktime anymore, this just reminds me to donate more to the products that I DO use and rely on, like VLC.
This is why Apple doesn't belong in the enterprise by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 01:05 · Score: 0

Its examples like this that show why Apple isn't an enterprise player. They have no roadmaps. They act on a whim and don't inform their customers. It's impossible to prepare an environment when you don't know what changes are coming.
and nothing of value was lost by danbob999 · 2016-04-15 01:10 · Score: 1

good riddance.
Well crap by SuiteSisterMary · 2016-04-15 01:20 · Score: 1

Now how am I going to play The Daedalus Encounter? Oh, youtube. That's how.

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Required for Unity Video Import by The+MAZZTer · 2016-04-15 01:31 · Score: 1

If you want to allow Unity Editor to import video formats it doesn't directly support (it only seems to support OGG) you need QuickTime installed. I just installed it less than a month ago on my work PC.
I stopped a long time ago by HideyoshiJP · 2016-04-15 01:44 · Score: 1

I stopped using Quicktime long ago and switched to FFmpeg. I haven't looked back.
Pathetic Apple Queers by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 02:35 · Score: -1

This is what happens with you hire and promote a Queer to the CEO!
His first policy: Hire The Queer. No programming experience, knowledge or understanding needed.
Soon, iPods, iTunes, computers are relegated to the dust bin.
Then the Queen of Queers Timothy Donald Cook pulls month after months of Gay Panic Attacks about the lov of diversity.
Now he has 10,000 queers in the cement basement at Infinity Loop, oh brother does that fit or what, and no body knows even WebKit.
Go there and ask Queer of the Day what is C++: "Ooooo Thaths Preeethy, I will put thath on my FB page as '+C+' because Apple has plus Cock plus and the secret sauce too."
What a joke. Everybody laughs.
QuickTime for Mac by jltnol · 2016-04-15 03:10 · Score: 1

... and Apple has depreciated QT for the Mac years ago. Some of the previous functionality of earlier versions of QT is in the latest release.
iTunes for Windows depends on QuickTime for Win? by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 04:50 · Score: 0

I thought that iTunes for Windows depends on QuickTime for Windows? So, does this mean iTunes does not use or will not be using QuickTime for displaying videos like movies and tv shows?
Seems fine to me by SuperKendall · 2016-04-15 05:04 · Score: 1

If you spit in a swamp, are you really obligated to put up a sign saying it might have germs?

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I'll stick with VLC by OrangeTide · 2016-04-15 05:32 · Score: 1

I'm kind of sick of these billion dollar software vendors dropping support for stuff at the drop of a hat. There are plenty of community driven options, and frequently packages like VLC have far better support for legacy formats than the new whizbang stuff from Apple or Microsoft.
(why would I need to play a legacy video format? probably because that's what I had available when I took videos of my childhood pets)

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How will this affect iTunes by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 05:48 · Score: 0

So does that mean Apple will be updating iTunes to not require Quicktime? Probably not, but I can dream.
"ISO Media" is the MPEG-4 container by tepples · 2016-04-15 10:20 · Score: 1

"ISO Media" is the MPEG-4 container. What does that version of file output when given the name of an MPEG-4 file? And what codecs are used in each?
1. Re:"ISO Media" is the MPEG-4 container by Ash-Fox · 2016-04-15 11:29 · Score: 1
  
  For the file I posted about, the codecs are:
  Video: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
  Audio: PCM S16 LE (sowt)
  For a regular MP4, file says:
  
  $ file "THYX - Network Of Light.mp4" THYX - Network Of Light.mp4: ISO Media, MP4 Base Media v1 [IS0 14496-12:2003]
  
  The codecs are:
  Video: H264 - MPEG-4 AVC (part 10) (avc1)
  Audio: MPEG AAC Audio (mp4a)
  
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2. Re:"ISO Media" is the MPEG-4 container by tepples · 2016-04-17 03:45 · Score: 1
  
  The file command uses a library called libmagic. It turns out that libmagic tries to distinguish QuickTime-flavor ISO Media files from MPEG-4-flavor ISO Media files by what chunk type comes first. But does this difference cause incompatibility in practice?
3. Re:"ISO Media" is the MPEG-4 container by Ash-Fox · 2016-04-22 01:24 · Score: 1
  
  I really don't know the technical reason behind this, however I am unable to get virtualdubmod to open the .mov files even after being renamed to .mp4. I am in other editors, but they also say they support QuickTime files too, so that isn't surprising.
  
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WELL THAT TEARS IT! by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 10:59 · Score: 0

So to use Quicktime or software that depends on Quicktime, I will need a Mac? Fuck it, even though I just bought this gaming rig for several thousand dollars and installed Windows 10 on it, I'm going to chuck it in the trash and buy a Mac, because Quicktime is super important to me!
JK+LOL.
Homo CEO vs Spyware company by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-15 17:31 · Score: 0

distrowatch.com
Get a Linux, install it "bare metal" on a second partition or put it on a thumb drive or SD card etc.
and/or
https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads
Use your Windows piece-of-shit that came with your PC and put Linux in a VM (and/or BSD and/or Mac OS X)
VLC for free right there along with MANY other softwares that are better than Apple/Windows.
-If you install Virtualbox, enable vt-x and install guest additions in your guest OS. Google it.
At the very least you can use a Portable VLC in Windows. No install required just extract to any folder and make a shortcut to the executable (exe).
http://portableapps.com/apps/music_video/vlc_portable
So many non-stories.
This may be the download link to their most recent by Anonymous Coward · 2016-04-16 16:15 · Score: 0

version.
http://appldnld.apple.com/Quic...
I don't know how long this link will remain active, but it is for, what I believe to be, the most recent Windows version of
QuickTime.
It probably is the 32bit version and not 64bit, though. Expect this link to go dark soon.
I doubt anyone at /. will see this post though but I hope it helps someone.
Protecting IP to stimulate innovation? by shanen · 2016-04-16 16:19 · Score: 1

Well, I don't mind that I might have stimulated the historical branch of the thread, though my take is again philosophical. I think that acquiring companies for their IP is fundamentally wrong and mostly prevents innovation. However, I'm too tired and short on time right now to treat the topic as deeply as it deserves.
In contrast, I somewhat do mind that the slashdot system moderation continues to reek like the big dog's m0e. (Technical usage from the same period as my Apple II programming.)

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