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Apple Deprecating Quicktime For Windows, Micro Trends Urges Users To Uninstall (trendmicro.com)
harryjohnston writes: Usually when a vendor deprecates a software product and stops releasing security updates, they provide some sort of advance notice that they're intending to do so. The least we would expect is for them to announce an unexpected end-of-life themselves. However, Trend Micro released a security advisory today describing two zero-day vulnerabilities for Quicktime for Windows, and according to them, Apple told Trend Micro -- but apparently nobody else -- that they have deprecated Quicktime for Windows and will not be releasing a patch. The Register has an article on the announcement. Apple did not respond to their request for comment.
Apple simply stopped updating Safari for Windows, no announcement or notice, just quietly stopped releasing updates.
Do you know the difference between "Trend Micro" and "Micro Trends"?
Neither does the submitter.
How do you manage to get the name of the company issuing the advisory wrong in the TITLE? You've got it right in the summary? Where did "Micro Trends" come from?
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QuickTime does power a lot of professional video workload, perhaps Apple tried to say that they are dropping the browser plugin via removing it in an update which is seriously overdue. Apple wasted a great technology but whatever, days of plugins are long gone.
If there is no misunderstanding, that should be a final wakeup call to creative professionals.
Apple Deprecating Quicktime For Windows, Micro Trends Urges Users To Uninstall
However, Trend Micro released a security advisory today describing two zero-day vulnerabilities for Quicktime for Windows
Is Slashdot now running on one of those "not always right" chips? Micro Trends, Trend Micro, close enough.
Fasttime for Windoes deprecated by Pear.
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Oh come on... Windows users have deprecated Quicktime ages ago!
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Haven't had that piece of junk on my computers for years! Anyone getting hacked through that shit, deserves it fully!
Quicktime was shit.
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Who the fuck was still using Quicktime in 2016?!?
Off with their heads!
VLC actually "plays" QuickTime (well, mostly MP4 these days?) files just fine.
The problem is creating the file. I work in a video game industry, and for things like trailers, sometimes clients/partners requires use of certain settings which assumes QuickTime is in use. I have tried some alternative software to do this task, but I have often observed them often creates non-satisfactory result, especially when it deals with non-PC consoles.
Having said that recently, software like blender, start to be able to produce fairly consistent/reliable results, it has been very messy to generate appropriately formatted results, and I can see there still may be edge cases where lack of access to QuickTime can be an issue. (Though, I'd say, 90% of them, it no longer is a problem.)
So do other things, like MPC for instance.
Of course, I haven't installed quicktime on a computer in a very very long time. I always find something else to play it if I have to.
I am on a Mac and rarely find myself using Quicktime. It had its day, but the MPEG4 container has for the most-part taken its place. The Quicktime player is even less used. Its a shame clients/partners haven't made the shift.
There are indeed edge cases, like when Apple uses an atom that the MPEG4 specification doesn't yet support, such as TimedMetadata.
BTW For the most part, converting a recent .mov to an .mp4 is as simple as specifying ffmpeg with 'copy' for vcodec and acodec, since it has the benefit of simply copying the audio and video atoms, rather than transcoding them.
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Yes, except some of those places would actually specify for QuickTime format itself rather than MP4. Granted most of places happily accept something other than that, but some sectors of video game industries are very conservative on things!
Quicktime has been dying for years. In Safari 9 the Quicktime plugin is disabled and unless you really need it Apple recommends leaving it that way.
You can go into Safari plugins and enable it, but clearly I think Apple has totally washed its hands of it. The reason no body knows this, is that hardly any one but
Apple and a few developers ever used Quicktime in the first place.
If Apple really have deprecated Quicktime then it would be nice if, in their next iTunes update, they remove the nag screen that keeps popping up telling you to install Quicktime.
I ended up installing it to stop the damn thing appearing.
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Now I have to call you on your BS here, the phone Apple refused to unlock was a government issued phone, there was no need to force unlock it, it was not a secure phone to begin with (from a terrorist stand point). And lets ignore the fact that all of the other attacks used straight up sms, no encryption, no magic whatsapp and no bullet codes on walls inside call of duty. And the next BS I have to call you on is "Linux" Linux isn't a company, linux isn't even an Operation System. Linux is an ECOSYSTEM of operating systems. Comparing an open community to a closed company highlights your bias. Apple sucks, Microsoft sucks, and to an extent, blatant linux fan boys suck worse.
I thought Blender (3d modeling / rendering software for those who don't know) was able to export to all of the expected formats, that was kind of the point of an open source 3d tool to replace maya, 3dmax and lightwav.
This is luddite shit, the apps guy was much better
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What's the PTB?
It seems like people don't really use Quicktime any more. Thankfully, I haven't actually seen a mov file in literally years. Are they going to stop pushing their stupid proprietary video format on their own platform as well? It seems like not bothering with the Windows software can only be part of recognizing that no one uses it, and that it's dead. If your format isn't cross-platform, nobody should care about it...
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Really? Is that mainly an issue with specific platforms, or many-to-all platforms? I'd kind of expect it for Mac/iOS development, but if you're developing a PC or console game and running into the issue, then that's baffling. Why do they expect Quicktime?
According to Tevanian, Apple executive Peter Hoddie asked Microsoft officials, "'Are you asking us to kill playback? Are you asking us to knife the baby?'" He said Microsoft official Christopher Phillips responded, "'Yes, we want you to knife the baby.' It was very clear."
http://www.businessweek.com/mi...
So the baby has finally been knifed, some 18 years later.
While I don't use Quicktime anymore, this just reminds me to donate more to the products that I DO use and rely on, like VLC.
I am a Linux proselytizer and I have to call bullshit on you. Apple is very good about fixing updates that bork devices, and they support devices for a very long time (although it'd be nice if they were more clear about which ones are EOL...). And how exactly are they "deliberately protecting the communication of known terrorists" any more than anybody who uses the Internet?
good riddance.
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Increasingly they are being touted as "the most secure" platform by this fanboi base. While normally that would be harmless, this base seems to include hipster-run "tech" (and I use that term lightly) websites like wired and engadget who gleefully distribute whatever propaganda the Apple PR department dreams up. While most informed people know these publications are garbage, they become a source of citogenesis for the naive and deluded helping Apple skew reality and incessantly reinforce their "good guy" image. The best run, most noble, most secure platform that is always looking out for the little guy right? Utterly laughable to the informed, but many people believe this.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
If you want to allow Unity Editor to import video formats it doesn't directly support (it only seems to support OGG) you need QuickTime installed. I just installed it less than a month ago on my work PC.
I stopped using Quicktime long ago and switched to FFmpeg. I haven't looked back.
The both of them engaged in play acting. The FBI wanted to oblige Apple to respond to thousands (or tens of thousands) of FISA requests a year. Also, Apple was happy to have a PR image of being secure while the FBI was happy if dumb criminals thought the iPhones were safe to store incriminating information on.
Nitpick:
Linux is just a kernel, nothing more - and certainly not this nebulous ecosystem thingy you describe. Yes, just a kernel - and not even a whole OS, let alone a group of them. It's up to the distro makers (e.g. RedHat, Novell/SuSE, Debian, etc) to take that kernel and make a whole operating system around it.
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pedantically referred to as gnu/Linux
FTFY. Typically, it's referred to as Linux.
Don't you know how to Google? It's the Physikalisch-Technische Bundesanstalt. I don't know what this has to do with metrology, though.
... and Apple has depreciated QT for the Mac years ago. Some of the previous functionality of earlier versions of QT is in the latest release.
converting a recent .mov to an .mp4 is as simple as specifying ffmpeg with 'copy' for vcodec and acodec,
You could just rename .mov to .mp4. Quicktime's container was adopted relatively unchanged for MPEG-4. It should be close enough to let it open.
The both of them engaged in play acting. The FBI wanted to oblige Apple to respond to thousands (or tens of thousands) of FISA requests a year. Also, Apple was happy to have a PR image of being secure while the FBI was happy if dumb criminals thought the iPhones were safe to store incriminating information on.
Citation, please, or STFU.
I am a Linux proselytizer and I have to call bullshit on you. Apple is very good about fixing updates that bork devices, and they support devices for a very long time (although it'd be nice if they were more clear about which ones are EOL...). And how exactly are they "deliberately protecting the communication of known terrorists" any more than anybody who uses the Internet?
Someone please mod this up!
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I'm kind of sick of these billion dollar software vendors dropping support for stuff at the drop of a hat. There are plenty of community driven options, and frequently packages like VLC have far better support for legacy formats than the new whizbang stuff from Apple or Microsoft.
(why would I need to play a legacy video format? probably because that's what I had available when I took videos of my childhood pets)
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The judge ruled Tuesday that the Cupertino-based company had to provide "reasonable technical assistance" to the government in recovering data from the iPhone 5c, including bypassing the auto-erase function and allowing investigators to submit an unlimited number of passwords in their attempts to unlock the phone. Apple has five days to respond to the court if it believes that compliance would be "unreasonably burdensome."
Source: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/judge-forces-apple-help-unlock-san-bernardino-shooter-iphone-n519701
"Reasonable technical assistance" somehow got spun into "creating a permanent backdoor". I'll let you figure out who was doing the spinning.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
"ISO Media" is the MPEG-4 container. What does that version of file output when given the name of an MPEG-4 file? And what codecs are used in each?
Yes, I know. It's clear there's an organised attempt to spread misinformation in this case. The angry mob is all in agreeance that the FBI wants a permanent backdoor and is trying to use corruption and intimidation to achieve it. This, of course, is complete hyperbole. Objective analysis is never applied due to Apple being notoriously good at marketing themselves as "the good guys". They couldn't be trying to pull one over on us could they? Why not? Remember people, this is a for-profit billionaire company several times over.
Furthermore, if the angry mob understood how encryption actually worked they'd realize there's little cause for alarm. Encryption is math. Good encryption is not breakable by anyone that doesn't have the key without significant work. The problem Apple encounters with it's encryption is there's no user convenient way to encrypt the data. Most people will tolerate, at most, a 4 or 5 digit numeric pin due to the complexity of input on a touch screen, and the frequency at which phones need to be accessed from a locked state. A 4 digit pin offers a measly 100,000 possibilities. Brute forcing 100,000 possibilities is a trivial task for even 10 year old consumer hardware. To protect against this, the software that analyses the password input will irreversibly erase the complex encryption keys in the chain after 10 failed pin attempts. An informed person might ask "well couldn't you just mount the data externally from the Apple software? ". Of course. And this is likely what the FBI did. They likely copied the data, mounted it externally, found someone that reversed engineered the encryption algorithm iPhones use, and brute forced the pin outside the iPhone.
Apple knows all this is possible. So you have to ask yourself "why would they bring attention to this?" Now the whole world knows that's it's pretty easy to break into an iPhone, and any phone for that matter. So why do it? Well, it could be that a major iPhone version is releasing this year. A major iPhone version that, by most leaked accounts, is shaping up to be pretty unimpressive. What better way to boost sales than to create an unnecessary controversy, scare everyone, and then sell the solution? Don't be surprised if the iPhone 7 very heavily campaigns on increased security, as was probably their intention all along - they just needed a controversy that would help sell it.
What will no doubt make this whole charade even more nefarious is that there's only really two ways increase security: further obfuscate and complicate the encryption method, or store the keys online. The more you complicate the encryption the more you sacrifice performance. It is also not a guaranteed solution. The guaranteed solution would be to store the encryption keys online. While certainly inconvenient it could easily be sold as a necessary burden for critical data - like with corporations. Of course, this would also have the added benefit of further entrenching iPhone users and companies into the Apple ecosystem. It will truly give Apple all the keys to the castle - all the control. Make sure you can always see the forest for the trees.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Well, I don't mind that I might have stimulated the historical branch of the thread, though my take is again philosophical. I think that acquiring companies for their IP is fundamentally wrong and mostly prevents innovation. However, I'm too tired and short on time right now to treat the topic as deeply as it deserves.
In contrast, I somewhat do mind that the slashdot system moderation continues to reek like the big dog's m0e. (Technical usage from the same period as my Apple II programming.)
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
So, not the industrial vacuum pump repair/refurb company then? I guess not, "The PTB Sales" doesn't really fit grammatically with the rest of the comment. Of all the acronyms Google came back with, the German meteorologist group is the only one that does fit, but I thought Germany solved it's cannibalism problems.
Oh no, not meteorologists, metrologists. Study of measures. Human flesh is measured in kilograms.
Oh, and in case you weren't joking at all, it's The Powers That Be.
OH! Not as funny as your other answer, but it does clear things up for me. Sort of. Now I'm just left with the mystery of who or what he thinks the PTB are. Is he really suggesting that the planet is run by Time Lords ("regeneration period") with a penchant for cannibal voyeurism? On it's own, an odd fetish; for a fictional alien race, even stranger.
The both of them engaged in play acting. The FBI wanted to oblige Apple to respond to thousands (or tens of thousands) of FISA requests a year. Also, Apple was happy to have a PR image of being secure while the FBI was happy if dumb criminals thought the iPhones were safe to store incriminating information on.
Citation, please, or STFU.
Well I can't respond to the "Apple was happy to ..." blabla that is sheer speculation, but for the first part, Director Comey is on record for saying that he hoped the Apple case could set a precedent (after saying the case would not be used to set a precedent) and be used by other courts to order the unlocking of phones in ordinary criminal cases. Source