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Utah Governor: 'Porn Is a Public Health Crisis' (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader writes: Utah Governor Gary Herbert said on his Facebook page: "Pornography is a public health crisis. The problem is rampant, yet it thrives in secrecy and silence." He emitted this thought on signing a resolution which says porn is "a public health hazard leading to a broad spectrum of individual and public health impacts and societal harms." In addition, it "perpetuates a sexually toxic environment." The resolution doesn't just stop there. It goes on to say "due to advances in technology and the universal availability of the Internet, young children are exposed to what used to be referred to as hard core, but is now considered mainstream, pornography at an alarming rate." The resolution says pornography "equates violence toward women and children with sex and pain with pleasure, which increases the demand for sex trafficking, prostitution, child sexual abuse images, and child pornography." It requests "the need for education, prevention, research, and policy change at the community and societal level in order to address the pornography epidemic that is harming the people of our state and nation." In the words of Gov. Gary Herbert, "Today's bills will start an open discussion." I couldn't agree more...

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  1. slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is just the continuation of the "public health crisis" excuse to ban something people don't agree with. Smoking, Sugary drinks, guns, etc. The slippery slope continues.

    1. Re: slippery slope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You've got to be joking. Consider this: The air initially exists free of smoke, and cigarettes are not natural, this is the most basic state. I have the right to not be forced to breathe cancer inducing air from someone who chooses to pollute their own body with such things. If you are smoking in a common area, that is free to anyone, then you are taking away that freedom. I'm not taking away your freedom, the most basic state of the park was free and open air - you smokers are imposing your own will on that air and my body with no choice to myself.

      I used to smoke. I'm all for people being allowed to smoke. They should just be given a sealed phone booth in order to do it so the rest of us don't have our rights infringed.

    2. Re:slippery slope by Z00L00K · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If you think outdoor smoking ban is ridiculous then you don't realize how much air one cigarette can contaminate.

      Personally I'd like to see a total ban on all smoking tobacco.

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    3. Re: slippery slope by Imrik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem is that a lot of smokers think its a good idea to smoke anywhere they are allowed to smoke, regardless of who may be nearby.

    4. Re:slippery slope by mark_reh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Holy crap! /. has handed you a perfectly good opportunity to talk about porn and you guys decided to talk about smoking?
      What is wrong with you?

    5. Re:slippery slope by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I can guarantee you that my BBQ in one summer "contaminates" more air than I did as a smoker when I did so would you also support total bans on BBQ? You should see the billows of smoke I can get that thing to give off when I load it up with wood and choke off the air supply. It gives the meat and veggies a wonderful flavor and does tend to add an odor to the entire neighborhood. How about camp fires as they produce lots of smelly smoke?

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    6. Re:slippery slope by Shortguy881 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Source? I'd like to see the study that not only shows correlation, but causation between access to porn and rape statistics. Don't just make up stuff to make yourself feel better.

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    7. Re:slippery slope by jittles · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Personally I'd like to see a total ban on all smoking tobacco.

      Not to worry, that's just your inner petty tyrant trying to be let free. Fortunately, you and your "there ought to be a law" ilk are *usually* just laughed at and openly mocked. I suppose next you'll be wanting to ban all sex, except for the purpose of procreation and only in the missionary position? We might as well try that whole banning alcohol thing.

      'Cause, you know, banning is effective and your need to control other people is insatiable. "Stop doing things I don't like!"

      Disclosure: I do smoke cigars but you'd be unlikely to actually witness me smoking unless you were in my home. Can't have me enjoying my cigars now, can we?

      I Just don't want people to smoke while I'm eating or outside my doors and windows. Smoke all you want, I don't care. I'll even hang out with you while you smoke (outside, while I stand upwind of you). Have a blast. I just don't want to smell it. Feel free to have all the wild and crazy sex you want, also. I probably don't want to watch that, either. Smoke at a park, I don't care. Just don't smoke upwind from the playground. Really it's more common courtesy than anything else. I think the real problem is that courtesy is no longer (was never?) common.

    8. Re:slippery slope by Cederic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      C'mon, it's much more than that. The men in the US are not getting married, and having fewer children.

      You wouldn't attribute that to the increased demands and expectations from women that makes it harder for some men to find a partner then?
      You don't think an improved awareness of the economic disadvantages fatherhood imposes on a man is involved?
      You think the gender bias in the legal system isn't putting men off marriage and the subsequent damage caused by a potential divorce?

      It's increasingly difficult to justify marriage, fatherhood is a risky proposition when so many men end up paying to raise a child they're prevented from seeing and men are being told at school and university that they must adhere to a feminist ideal that in turn puts off many women that want a successful alpha male as a partner.

      I guess it could just be all down to porn though. Yeah, porn and sexbots. Fuck me.

    9. Re:slippery slope by Noble713 · · Score: 5, Informative

      most nudity that is porn portrays abusive behavior

      Citation needed. If I pull up Xvideos or Redtube or some other site mega-site, most of the videos on the first few pages, which is a reasonably diverse selection of heterosexual-oriented porn, doesn't look like it features chicks getting fishhooked, donkey punched, facialed, or otherwise degraded.....well, beyond the stereotypically rapey Japanese stuff, anyway. There is some for sure, but definitely not >50%, which I would consider a minimum cutoff for "most". And given the rise of camwhore shows and amateur couples uploading their sexcapades, I'd say abuse in porn products is overall in a decline. The sort of stuff produced by the crew at Facial Abuse is not an industry standard.

    10. Re: slippery slope by phishybongwaters · · Score: 4, Insightful

      i've heard this before many times. Now I'm not about to call you specifically a liar. What I am going to pass along is the fact that every single human being I've encountered in "real life" that said they had an allergy to "cigarette" smoke in fact had an allergy to other people smoking, and didn't like the smell... which is fine in it's own right, but to instead lie, and invent an allergy (in some cases a "deadly" one) instead of just asking people not to smoke around you, it's pretty above and beyond selfish. THAT SAID... as a former smoker myself, I do have issues with smoking in public buildings and certain public spaces. Walking trails? no, sorry, that's just silly. Open air parks? Again,no that's silly. I have a real, REAL HONEST allergy to certain perfumes and aftershaves, but that doesn't stop woman from drowning themselves in it, and it doesn't stop guys from swimming around in Axe body spray. The exhaust from your cars are causing cancer and many other ailments attributed to second hand smoke, yet I don't see any bans on those, and who the hell would actually support them anyways? But... this isn't about smoking, it's about porn. And the fact is, it's possible to an extent right now for these sites to block access to minors. If you are an idiot parent who gave your un-monitored child a credit card in YOUR name, then it's your fault. It's actually quite surprising what you can get access to, for free, without any verification, from paid legit sites. That can be fixed. Pirated porn? There's no way to stop it. And that's the point, because once you link something to child porn, everyone is onboard with whatever it takes to stop it. And the name of the game is destroying online privacy, terrorism and child porn have been, and always will be the poster child for restrictions on your rights, privacy and freedom.

    11. Re: slippery slope by jonnythan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Secondhand farts aren't dangerous.

    12. Re:slippery slope by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I can guarantee you that my BBQ in one summer "contaminates" more air than I did as a smoker when I did so would you also support total bans on BBQ

      To be fair BBQ smells excellent, cigarette smoke does not.

    13. Re:slippery slope by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A standard "facial" is hardly abuse. They're barely outside of mainstream, and many women find them erotic. As for degrading, that's subjective. Is it degrading to be mildly submissive? For people with a fragile ego, perhaps, but most of us are submissive in some form to some people every day, as a part of a normal, healthy existence. That the context is sexual rather than, say, working behind a counter doesn't magically make it wrong. When it becomes abusive or degrading is when there's a lack of consent or choice. That's also when it becomes a crime.

    14. Re: slippery slope by Immerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've met a few (blessedly few) women of such temperament, even a few friends, and I say go for it woman - be as blatant about it as you like, it makes it all the easier for me to steer clear, and there's certainly no shortage of men trying to buy women's attention with flashy cars, big bankrolls, etc. I say the two groups deserve each other, and may their financially-based relationships bring them as much happiness as money can buy.

      If you've been suffering such a stream of repeated encounters with such women to breed the bitterness you're giving voice to, then let me offer a bit of advice: You know all those hot women with well-sculpted bodies, beautiful hair, and flawless makeup that invariably catch your eye? That almost always takes work, a LOT of work, to maintain. Between personal grooming and cosmetics, plus maintenance throughout the day, and regular exercise to maintain that sculpted body, you can easily be talking an hour or two per day. Plus almost completely depriving themselves of the sweet and fatty foods we all love. Assuming they also have a job to pay the bills, and sleep the recommended 8 hours a day, that can be over 1/4 of their daily free time spent on activities geared toward creating an image unnaturally attractive to men. That's ferocious long-term dedication to a "hobby", and you can reasonably expect they want a return on investment. Enjoy their work as you would any other art exhibit, and walk on past.

      If you want a woman who will stand beside you as an equal or helpmate instead, then try focusing instead on women who look a bit more like, well, you. Possibly a bit more of a belly because they generally have a metabolism better optimized to storing calories against the lean times than you, Comparable cleanliness and grooming. Not much makeup on a regular basis. Start there, and you'll at least be much more likely to be dealing with a person you can actually relate to, who spends their free time doing things they actually enjoy rather than trying to snag a good "catch", and who is looking for a partner to share their life with, rather than an investor in their beauty.

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    15. Re: slippery slope by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And none of them seem to have a problem leaving a trail of butts behind them.

      I can be sitting on a park bench surrounded by the evidence of smokers being there.

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    16. Re: slippery slope by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Isn't this exactly why everything is regulated? I can't drive a hummer down the footpath either and not because those damn pedestrians keep getting blood on the tires.

      If you truly think about a public space you would be absolutely amazed at how much regulation there is in those places, mainly because we as a species simply lack the ability to share and get along.

  2. If only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If only we had a way to instruct these children about responsible sexual practices. If only we could gather children together 5 days a week in public buildings and teach them sexual education along with math, science and history to demystify sex so that porn isn't their only reference.

    If only...

  3. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Another attempt by the far right to legislate its religious morality. Maybe we should call religion a public health crisis. It damages people's ability to think rationally. Porn is like any other film; it's staged. Of course, the right doesn't call action movies a public health crisis, even though they tend to contain plenty of violence; action movies don't violate their religion's morals.

    1. Re:Great by mwvdlee · · Score: 5, Interesting

      which increases the demand for sex trafficking, prostitution, child sexual abuse images, and child pornography

      When I look at porn, I don't feel a need to abuse children. And I think most people don't either.
      If this governor feels the need to abuse children when watching porn, then by all means he SHOULD stop watching porn.
      In fact I strongly believe that anybody who feels watching adult sex leads to wanting sex with children should seek help and should absolutely stop watching porn.
      But please governor, stop projecting your own feelings on the rest of humanity.

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    2. Re: Great by kqs · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You have a good point. Utah is known to have very few right-wing religious folks, but is full of liberal feminists. So logically, this bill was passed by feminists.

      Either that, or you have an irrational hatred of feminists, probably due to deep and perfectly valid feelings of inadequacy, and try to blame them for everything.

    3. Re:Great by AmiMoJo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A fairly compelling argument can be made that porn actually reduces abuse but providing an outlet for perfectly normal, powerful feelings. As the Catholic church demonstrates, abstinence certainly has some pretty severe psychological consequences.

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  4. No control group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That's a bold statement... If he's got proof, I'd like to see it (for free, obviously)

    Science would be great here, although any limitations are going to be severely limited by both the first amendment.

    I remember hearing a few years ago that the effects of internet pornography were difficult to study because it is too difficult to find a control group.

    1. Re:No control group by TheReaperD · · Score: 4, Informative

      Especially in Utah!

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    2. Re:No control group by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Time.

      When porn was legalized in Denmark in the 1970'es, rape went down significantly. Later studies have shown that the places with the most and best internet connections[1] have the lowest number of rape cases.

      [1] The internet is for porn[2], obviously.
      [2] Insert AvenueQ video here.

    3. Re:No control group by KGIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Later studies have shown that the places with the most and best internet connections[1] have the lowest number of rape cases.

      This is an excellent time to remind everyone that correlation is not causation. Those places with the best 'net connections are also the most stable societies, the wealthier societies, etc... I suspect those have far more influence on the number of criminal sex offenses than the access to speedy porn. Just a hunch...

      I bet you can probably say that those countries also have, on average, a greater availability of clean water. Surely, it's the clean water that's preventing the rape!

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  5. Correction Governor.... by Lumpy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Exposure to politicians and their desires to push their own ideals on others is a public health crisis.

    WE should outlaw politicians at once!

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  6. He's Right! by Thanshin · · Score: 4, Funny

    And not only Porn! Also:

    - Videogames
    - Role playing games
    - Rock
    - Divorces
    - Sodomy
    - Being black
    - Heresy
    - Witchcraft
    - Barbarian..ism?

  7. Huh? How's that work then? by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    Utah Governor: 'Porn Is a Public Health Crisis'

    Why would porn cause a pubi-

    Oh, public. Never mind.

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  8. Re:fucking wankers by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can't they just let it go

    Given their porn usage, the thing they really can't let go is clearly "it". As it were.

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  9. Re:Well, he has a point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Utah has the highest consumption rate of porn, and there really hasn't been a good explanation for it.

    Sexual repression leads to higher porn consumption.
    Utah is predominantly Mormon.

    Q.E.D.

  10. Re: Proof? by gweihir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is and from multiple sources. The problem is that it says what the prohibitionists are doing is actually quite harmful and increases rape and other problems. In addition, they often think they are on a mission from "God" (or against male dominance) and if they would admit the facts, it would not only look like they are exceptionally stupid, but outright malicious. Hence this evil and harmful crusade continues, like some other ones do.

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  11. Our govner is right by mnemotronic · · Score: 4, Funny

    He's purdy much right. In fact, one of my wives swears up & down she'll be taking me to porn addicts anonymous meetings. As soon as she's old enough to drive. In about 3 years. Provided she is pregnant. Again.

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  12. Cause and effect to determine public health crises by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    They've all been restricted to some extent, with attempts made to expand the restrictions.

    The way you can tell if something is actually a public health issue is to figure out if it is a cause or problems or a symptom.

    The problem is that sugar is needleslly subsidized so their economic cost isn't realized in their market price. Some consumption of sugar is fine but as a society we've gone WAY beyond what is demonstrably healthy. So over consumption of sugary drinks is a public health crisis because it is a significant factor in obesity, diabetes and other conditions common in the population. Eat too much sugar and you get fat and/or diabetes and/or other illnesses. Cause and effect.

    Smoking IS a genuine public health crisis. There are innumerable diseases with clear causal relationships to smoking. It's not even a debate that it is a public health issue. Smoking clearly causes illnesses

    Porn is NOT a genuine health crisis. Arguments to that effect are people looking for an excuse to interject their own morality in most cases. At most it is a symptom of people who have genuine mental health issues but the porn isn't the cause. Porn doesn't cause mental health issues but mental health issue might result in porn. You won't make the mental health issue go away by suppressing or removing access to porn. Even nasty stuff like kiddie-porn does not cause mental health problems - it merely shows us where they already exist.

  13. Re:Proof? by gmack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    That is an interesting assumption on your part. On the other hand, from people I know who work at schools, there is an increasing problem of boys who don't seem to realize that girlfriends don't like being treated like porn starts and girls who think it's normal for sex to be all about the man's sexual gratification and not the woman's.

    At the very least, we have a problem with porn being the only sexual education some of these kids are getting.

  14. I hate to be cliche... by 101percent · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Honestly this is something ISIS would say.

  15. Re:Cause and effect to determine public health cri by Immerman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I seem to remember some studies that suggest that porn watching among teenagers *in the US* does in fact tend to bias them towards more extreme activities likely to induce pain, humiliation, etc.

    As I recall though, those same studies suggested a much more practical solution - stop treating sexuality as a taboo subject. It's arguably the single most important biological drive, and as that drive gets activated as teenagers hit puberty they're naturally going to seek out information and stimulation. In the US today, that pretty much means pornographic depictions of often dubious activities*, since depictions of healthy, well-adjusted sexuality are banned from general media, and are insufficiently titillating to be the focus of much porn.

    *I should clarify that I have nothing against "dubious activities" between consenting adults. But it makes for very poor education of what a healthy baseline sexual relationship looks like.

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  16. The behavior is the public health problem by sjbe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    most nudity that is porn portrays abusive behavior and feeds a need in the viewer that probably is not healthy.

    People are horny whether or not they have access to porn. "Portrays abusive behavior"? In some cases sure but the porn isn't the cause, it is the result.

    I've done a lot of counseling sessions with people whose relationships and lives were ruined by the persons addiction to porn.

    Addiction is a real problem but it doesn't follow that porn = public health crisis because some people cannot manage their libido effectively. Alcoholism is a disease but that doesn't make alcohol a public health problem. It makes alcoholism a public health problem. See the difference? Alcohol consumed responsibly is a non-problem. Alcohol consumed to excess routinely and/or in an irresponsible manner (i.e. alcoholism) is a problem.

    Seriously, this is a Mormon lawmaker trying to legislate his own morality on others. Let's not pretend there is any credibility to calling this a public health crisis because it isn't.

    I have yet to do a single one where sugary drinks, for example, caused it.

    And exactly how do you get to the conclusion that obesity and diabetes are conditions best treated by counseling?

    1. Re:The behavior is the public health problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Seriously, this is a Mormon lawmaker trying to legislate his own morality on others. Let's not pretend there is any credibility to calling this a public health crisis because it isn't.

      As an ex-mormon living in Utah I can say that it actually *is* a public health crisis. But, for exactly the *opposite* reasons mr. mormon lawmaker thinks. For decades Utah has found itself in the top-10 list of many bad things: #1 anti-depression pill use per capita of any state. Most teen-age pregnancies.

      The thing is, it is the *result*, not the cause. The *cause* is the damned oppressive religion. You get kids that aren't allowed to even talk about their own bodily functions so hormoned up (naturally) and curious that when they do cross the line they are completely unprepared and don't just "sin" away their virginity--but get knocked up. Then they feel mentally and emotionally devastated to have 'failed" themself, their god, their religion, their "cleanliness" that they become depressed. It highly exacerbates the mental states and swings experienced.

      You get married men "using" porn (yes, they love the term "using" to spread the bias of their opinion around like it's an illicit drug) because even after marriage discussion of sex is still largely prohibited, and doing anything much more than missionary is discouraged. Hellfire and damnation being at stake, of course. They are still curious--and for most of them their cultured wives aren't willing to risk trying anything "dirty" to have more fun. In short, they get bored and frustrated by whatever is still prohibited to them.

      If you think I'm just being anti-religious-biased you probably have not truly been exposed to mormonism enough to know that there is a *huge* body of corroborating evidence. Get on exmormon.org and read "The Double Bind in Mormonism", then go read the forum posts. You may very well be amazed at how bad the experience really can be for a majority of the people.

      Legislating this kind of stupid crap is just an extension of the cult's mindset. No different than the silly 2 shot limit at bars (yes, you *cannot* legally mix a long-island tea in a public bar because it has *ghasp* *4* shots).

      The saddest fact of the matter is that historically Joseph Smith drank like crazy and sexed up women like crazy. If he were alive today he'd be a registered sex offender. He shared men's wives, stole men's wives, smoked, drank, and was quite a slick talker. This is all documented in their own church archives--but most members still have on the blinders of cognitive dissonance. SLC even supported a brothel for decades in the early years--frequented by members in leadership and non-members alike, and they made their own booze back then too.