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North Korea Launches Missile From Submarine (cnn.com)
schwit1 shares breaking news from CNN: North Korea has fired what is believed to be a submarine-launched ballistic missile off the east coast of the Korean peninsula, the South Korean Joint Chiefs of Staff said Saturday. The missile was fired at 6:30 p.m. local time (5:30 a.m. ET), South Korean officials said, and appears to have flown for about 30 km (about 19 miles) -- well short of the 300 km (roughly 186 miles) that would be considered a successful test... Pyongyang carried out its fourth nuclear test in January. It said it succeeded in miniaturizing nuclear warheads to fit on medium-range ballistic missiles -- which U.S. intelligence analysts say is probably true.
We need a dramatic and overwhelming response NOW to this aggression. Lets send some students to protest!
NK is the perfect troll. There are days when I think we should just poke them till they level SK. Then just level all of NK. Use that as an example forever to the rest of the world "Don't be a dick".
But most days, I kind of wish we all just ignored them. Just stop feeding their ego and encouraging their tantrums. Their system will collapse pretty quickly. Their own people will fix it to stop the suffering.
OH, any idiot that goes there and gets captured. Tax payers provide one way tickets to anyone who wants to go visit them.
... just grasping the nettle and invading North Korea? We seem to be just waiting for them to develop a viable nuclear ICBM. This is insane. Frankly it's worth a few 10,000s of deaths in Seoul. Not to sound too callous but in the long run reuniting Korea under Seoul rule will save WAY more lives and stabilize the region.
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Kind of puts things in perspective. The last few minutes of the movie (China bomb) is a bit surreal.
We (USA) launch missiles all the time. You don't hear anyone bitching about that.
I think the North Koreans are going to push the envelope until there is an actual military conflict (whether by intention or by accident due to miscalculation). Either way, the risk of the Korean peninsula winding up as a nuclear battleground strikes me as being rather high. I don't see negotiation as being a successful strategy with them as all previous agreements have been treated more as "temporary guidelines" by the regime. Hopefully, a way is found to bounce the crazies before the folks who are already suffering from pretty dreadful hardship in North Korea pay the ultimate price.
Sad state of affairs.
I'd be more impressed if they launch a submarine from a missile.
"As we live a life of ease (A life of ease) Everyone of us (Everyone of us) has all we need (Has all we need) Sky of blue (Sky of blue) and sea of green (Sea of green) In our yellow (In our yellow) submarine (Submarine, ha, ha)" -signed Dear Leader
Dear Mr. Kim,
You have 24 hours to resign and surrender to the EU to be prosecuted for human rights violations. If you do not comply, there will be a mushroom cloud over Pyongyang and a line of mushroom clouds just north of your southern border.
Sincerely,
The EU
We could send Karl Rover or Dick Cheney. Of course, to REALLY mess things up, we should send Donald Rumsfeld with the other 2. Then you have the 3 stooges there.
WHY do we keep sending "humanitarian" aid to a country devoting a huge portion of its GDP to building offensive weapons instead of food for its own people?
Apparently you are already fucked,
It has been 70 years already since the first nuclear bombs were used in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, it is only to be expected that scientific and technological progress democratizes these things. My phone has more computing power than every single 1945 computer in the world put together.
Millions of people know fairly advanced physics and electronics.
I am not a Naval buff, but NK apparently lost a submarine at sea a few months ago. I wonder if that was a failed test. Do any enthusiasts know whether NK has hidden drydocks to work on submarines, and whether NK's subs generally have the ability to launch missles?
Sounds like a perfect cover, all missiles never work, everything fails. They will never be a threat. Thats a pretty good track record, 0 success, everything blows up after a perfect launch. Build up a working arsenal, while everyone thinks nothing works. Nobody expects the fool.
Didn't the CIA send Tommy Lee Jones to take out the sub that NK was converting to fire missiles?
Pretty soon North Korea will have a boat capable of reaching Japan (depending on the winds and tides).
Pretty clueless, aren't you. There's more going on and more at stake in the world than whether or not the NK is literally invading your neighborhood.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
No. There is absolutely nothing else at stake. Only thing at stake is your fear when you hear the propaganda fed to you. Some of us are immune to it....Here kitty kitty, kitty......
Re: "It said it succeeded in miniaturizing nuclear warheads to fit on medium-range ballistic missiles..."
Reminds me of that episode from SCTV, titled CCCP1 ("Three CP One"). It was a spoof of old Soviet propaganda, setting them up as a pirate broadcast forcing it's way into North American airways. They boasted about their "new Soviet mini-cam", and even showed the camera on air. Think of those giant old floor mounted cameras on dollies, used back in the golden era of TV back in the 50's and 60's.
On air the "mini-cam" catches fire and it doesn't even faze the hosts! They just calmly announce the end of their broadcast while crews are putting the fire out...
That was some good comedy right there.
Hold on, I'll check with some of the million or so people killed when the North Koreans tried to force their rosy form of socialism onto the south. I'm sure you're thinking that's all imaginary, of course.
Don't disappoint your bird dog. Go to the range.
We were too chicken shit to nuke them proper so apparently it didn't matter that much. Look how good of a country Japan is now after we nuked them. Now South Korea can nuke them if needed. So again, I repeat....Here kitty kitty kitty
You are correct of course. 99% of American's thinking on foreign policy is clouded by the delusion of American "exceptionalism." We literally think the world would descend back into the Dark Ages if it weren't for the USA.
Do you think it's just as easy as putting some foreign troops into the country and saying "We won! North Korea be united!" ?
The reality contrasting with the thoughtless fantasy idea of how invasion would turn out was demonstrated by the huge disaster in the middle east in the last 15 years. We're still dealing with the fallout. The invaded countries, the region as a whole, and all countries involved on the "winning" side are all WORSE OFF because some people just couldn't get enough of simple, warlike answers to the wrong questions.
Warlike leaders rely on never being challenged by a public who are half Yosamite Sam cosplayers and half intellectual cowards who will accept a simple, wrong answer to a difficult, complicated situation rather than admitting they don't have a clue what to do about North Korea. You will play right into their hands if it ever comes down to it, unless you start to THINK IT THROUGH!
Since when did u.s. Intelligence analysts suggest that NK likely miniaturized a warhead? Citation or link anyone?
We are making a huge deal out of North Korea doing test shots of missiles. How many have they done in the past year, 10 maybe 15?
In the US we do at least that many per month and not a damn person bats an eye. I know, I've taken part in such tests.