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Microsoft Will Stop Supporting Windows Live Mail 2012 (office.com)
An anonymous reader writes: "Windows Live Mail 2012 users are on notice: Switch to a modern email client or lose access to any Microsoft email accounts they have," reports InfoWorld. In a Thursday blog post, Microsoft informed users of their Windows Live Mail software that "the time has come for you to upgrade to a new email application." Outlook.com is moving to a new Office 365 infrastructure which uses protocols not supported by Windows Live Mail, meaning its users "will not be able to send or receive Outlook.com email from Windows Live Mail 2012 after your account is upgraded." InfoWorld points out this affects users with email addresses ending with @outlook.com, @hotmail.com, @live.com, or @msn.com.
The Outlook team's corporate vice president posted on the Office.com blog that "We recognize that changes like this can be difficult and apologize for any inconvenience this causes you..." adding that "we are confident that you will love the benefits and performance of the new Outlook.com," and recommending users switch to the Mail app on Windows. The Inquirer reports that Microsoft also emailed the software's users, suggesting that "If you are using Windows 7, you can upgrade to a newer version of Windows to enjoy the Mail app and the other benefits."
The Outlook team's corporate vice president posted on the Office.com blog that "We recognize that changes like this can be difficult and apologize for any inconvenience this causes you..." adding that "we are confident that you will love the benefits and performance of the new Outlook.com," and recommending users switch to the Mail app on Windows. The Inquirer reports that Microsoft also emailed the software's users, suggesting that "If you are using Windows 7, you can upgrade to a newer version of Windows to enjoy the Mail app and the other benefits."
... Outlook.com is moving to a new Office 365 infrastructure which uses protocols not supported by Windows Live Mail,
Soooo.... which one doesn't support the standard email protocols that the rest of the world seems to use, the new Office 365 infrastructrue or Windows Live Mail?
Microsoft, how come much of what you do these days makes life more miserable for computer users instead of making it easier?
I stopped supporting Windows a long time ago
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
- Errors about message having changed if marked read before deleting, so have to switch out of folder and back in.
- Delete doesn't properly mark as deleted, and if you set effect of deleting to move to Trash folder, half the time deleting from there does nothing.
I realise that most Microsoft development work is outsourced now, which means it's not actually written by people with a clue but rather thrown together and tested by listening to the biggest corporate clients and vaguely noticing the most important remaining bugs via "telemetry". But it's kind of annoying because Outlook 2007 was just the right balance of openness and trademark MS integration, and I don't know of a Windows calendar (go fuck yourself if you're about to suggest anything in the Cloud) that's as neat and stable as Outlook's.
Another example of Microsoft moving relentlessly towards their wet dream of a walled garden.
This is useless bullshit- there is NO need to move to a mail app on Windows just to send and receive mail.
This is one of the most basic functions of the internet, and there are loads of full-featured webmail clients that work just fine, but that's not restrictive enough for Microsoft- they're going to insist that all your mail gets funneled through them so they can exercise even more control.
Sorry Microsoft, I won't be playing along with your horsecrap.
They say that users "will not be able to send or receive Outlook.com email from Windows Live Mail 2012 after your account is upgraded."
What kind of "upgrade" locks you out of your mail and restricts your ability to send and receive on the platform of your choice? A Microsoft "upgrade", of course!
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Evolve or die!
Or just just use services and mail clients based on established, independent standards, and spend your time on more important things than Microsoft's upgrade treadmill.
Register yourself a domain name of your own so you can control which service(s) will receive your mail in the future while you're at it.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
They used to, at least much better than this. That's the saddest thing about the Microsoft strategy in recent years: not only are they not delivering the kinds of benefits they should be to justify the lock-in they're asking their customers to accept, they're actually going backwards in several important ways that those customers will notice. They're so busy trying to beat Google and Apple at their own game (and failing) that they've forgotten how to be Microsoft.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Will this be an opportunity for Thunderbird?
*** On the Internet, no one knows you're using a VIC-20
Surely, I thought, Microsoft had come up with the best way possible to terminate a service - initially give it the name "Windows Live Service X" then on termination change the name to indicate status.
But here we find Windows Live Mail 2012 will NOT be renamed to Windows Dead Mail 2012, instead it will BE Dead while named Live. How does that make any sense?
Well as the old saying goes, naming is one of the hardest problems in CS...
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
What is Windows Live Mail? Is it an email client? Did it come bundled with an OS? I've never heard of it before, and I work in a 100% MS shop.
I don't respond to AC's.
Setuping your own mail server is fine. I do that. But it's far more time consuming that upgrading a mail client... especially when from time to time your ip block get banned for no reason. Requesting reviewer and get unblocked.... with hotmail.com domain you don't have to deal with that.
I agree in the past it seemed they chose backwards compatibility over innovation/changes to justify the lock-in. Now they seem to give less attention to backwards compatibility.
How modern is this client crypto implementation? If it lacks TLS 1.2 support, forcing users to migrate until it is too late is probably a good thing for them.
What? That gobbledygook made no sense at all. They forgot how to be microsoft? Man, don't drink and post.
Despite Windows having been a "Unicode OS" since the NT days the commandline find and findstr tools still don't support UTF8 and UCS2 encoded files.
This is due to backwards compatibility. PowerShell and select-string supports Unicode fine, but it is the console window itself that is the limiting factor. If you run the PowerShell ISE then it displays the Unicode correctly, but under the console (prior to Windows 10) it just shows question marks. They have reimplemented the console in Windows 10 and PowerShell now displays the Unicode characters correctly.
The command prompt and findstr still don't work, but I suspect that this is considered to be legacy code so I doubt that they will fix this. There is a new shell in town!
Insulting me won't make your argument any more convincing.
Microsoft have had the dominant desktop OS for decades. They also have a significant presence in the server and back office space. With their long term support and ubiquitous presence, they were the adult player in an industry full of impetuous children, the business that business could count on.
And now they've thrown away that reputation in barely more than months, because cloud and subscriptions and devices and stuff.
If you disagree, post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like.
Registering a domain name gives you options - but you don't have to run your own server. I use my own domain for mail, but at the moment I'm just using gmail to handle the mail. But I can switch anytime...
There was no argument, just you spouting nonsense. Your follow up was only slightly more lucid. I get the picture though. The only thing you can count on with Microsoft is spending lots of money. I don't know how many times their upgrades broke everything here. I remember the Vista rollout, half the computers were down at any one time for months. Really it was never right until windows 7 came out. You know you're the shit when you can get people to pay you to test your alpha software for you then pay you again for the bugfix. We are still on 7 here and I'm hoping I retire before they go to win10.
Less attention? It seems to me they're actually working against it to push people to move to Windows 10
Can't help but compare the Windows 10 situation where they're pushing many changes that many people don't like to the Xbox One release where they had to back down on many of their plans because people where threatening to go en masse to the PS4.
Conclusion: Competition good, monopoly bad
I really get zero spam and phishing emails. Only program that allows me to really control my email.
Jack of all trades,master of none
there are loads of full-featured webmail clients that work just fine
To me, "just fine" includes the use case of going online to send mail, going offline to read it and compose replies, and going back online to send the replies. That used to be common when dial-up was pay-per-minute. It remains common nowadays on laptops to avoid having to subscribe to cellular Internet to read mail while riding the bus. In theory, webmail could work offline using IndexedDB and Service Workers, but in practice, I doubt that this works across all major browsers and all major webmail providers.
A native mail user agent is supposed to communicate with the mail server using SMTP AUTH for outgoing mail and IMAP for incoming mail. But historically, webmail providers have declined to deploy these protocols for two purposes, one being control of automated generation of spam and the other being advertisement display. Some have offered a free tier with only webmail and a subscription tier with SMTP and IMAP.