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Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14361 Released (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader writes from a report via BetaNews: Windows Insider chief Dona Sarkar announced in a blog post that they are releasing Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 14361 for both PC and Mobile to Windows Insiders in the Fast ring. This new release includes new features, some improvements to existing features, and various bug fixes that the company hopes to iron out before the Windows 10 Anniversary Update. A LastPass extension for the Microsoft Edge browser, and Hyper-V Container, which will let you use Docker natively on Windows 10, has been added. A series of improvements have been made to Windows Ink, and the Settings app, which includes changes to the colors so it's more obvious where you are. The Blu-ray icon and Network Quick Action icon have also been updated. You can read the full list of improvements and fixes for PC here.

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  1. Not impressed... Yet by subk · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wake me up when Windows 10 Ultimate Final Gold Infinity comes out

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    1. Re:Not impressed... Yet by khelms · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wake me up when Windows 10 Ultimate Final Gold Infinity comes out

      Wake me up when it's safe to turn updates back on for Windows 7.

  2. Nothing for me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    A bunch of new icons and some changes to the settings dialogs. I guess that's called innovation nowadays.

    I'm glad I'm still using Windows 7 for gaming and Linux for everything else.

    1. Re: Nothing for me by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      How does anyone expect anyone else to do something useful for them if they don't want them to listen. I used to be a lot more concerned about the clandestine nature of the trade agreements until I got a good look at the people they were keeping them a secret from. I'm still somewhat concerned, but still... Just who am I supposed to be rooting for in the big "Samaritan"/"The Machine" "Person of Interest" mash-up knowing what I know now?

  3. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    If they really want to pay for all that bandwidth and storage just to find out what porn everyone is watching, I say more power to them. Let them collect as much noise as possible; they'll never be able to find anything useful in all of it. Not that there's nothing useful to be found, just that there's so much noise and next to no signal.

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  4. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by shaitand · · Score: 1

    You seem to think a human being is doing the looking.

  5. Sexually Transmitted Downloads by Hylandr · · Score: 2, Funny

    Windows 10 is just another way to say 'Herpes'.

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    1. Re:Sexually Transmitted Downloads by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Hmm you might want to try a metaphor the readership here can relate to.

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    2. Re:Sexually Transmitted Downloads by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Don't plug your windows 7 box into the internet, basically the same deal.

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    3. Re:Sexually Transmitted Downloads by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 2

      Windows 10 can see your searches about herpes and serve you ads for medication. Windows 10 knows. Windows 10 cares.

    4. Re:Sexually Transmitted Downloads by Brewmeister_Z · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 is a different virus.

      Windowstenfluenza - Symptoms include can't find your files, nausea, headaches, fits of rage...

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  6. Er...thanks for posting the release notes? by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

    Er...thanks for posting the release notes? (What a lot of boring cruft.)

  7. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What color is the sky in your world?

  8. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Troll

    JEsus Christ, this shill never fucking stops.

    Edge is horrible. It has to be the most featureless, unstable piece of shit seen in the browser world in years. I'd rather use a nightly build of Firefox than that worthless hunk of junk.

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  9. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    One has to eventually or it doesn't matter. Do you really care is a machine sees your porn collection? If so, perhaps don't store it on one to begin with.

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  10. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by PublicSchill · · Score: 1, Troll

    Fast? Responsive? Wow, you must be use a nice computer... just scrolling is a magnitude slower than Firefox, and Firefox is already slow. Not to mention you can't use adblock so thus pages already load as if you're on dial-up compared to a browser with cookie/advertisement blocking. Oh, and there are other browsers forked from Firefox if you hate chromium so much. Ones that don't include Mozilla crapware preinstalled.

  11. Docker: Windows or Linux images? by bigdady92 · · Score: 2

    Does this docker image allow for micro instances of both linux and windows or strictly windows?

    This matters to me as I have a ridiculously overpowered workstation (Thank you MS/FB for selling all your 2011 v2s for pennies) that would be able to run Docker machines without breaking a sweat. I wouldn't bother with Windows Images, but Linux images would be awesome.

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    1. Re:Docker: Windows or Linux images? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

      Does anyone use this docker shit? What is it actually for?

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    2. Re: Docker: Windows or Linux images? by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      I hear it has something to do with pants.

    3. Re: Docker: Windows or Linux images? by clovis · · Score: 1

      I hear it has something to do with pants.

      Yes, I believe Dockers is the pants for pouring hot grits down.

  12. Re:Nope! Not even once! by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 1

    Problem is, Steve is playing by the rules Microsoft laid down, Microsoft is not...
    https://tech.slashdot.org/story/16/05/25/1812233/microsoft-backtracks-on-nasty-trick-upgrade-to-windows-10

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  13. Ad blocker? by Fragnet · · Score: 1

    No ad blocker for edge yet, then? The web experience without one is fucking terrible.

    1. Re:Ad blocker? by WheezyJoe · · Score: 2

      Yes! Edge HAS Adblock Plus, starting with Insider Build 14342. Testing it in Virtual Box, working as advertised. Not quite enough for me to switch from Chrome, but this puts Edge ahead of mobile Safari or mobile Chrome, which to my knowledge still do not support extensions (if Google permits AdBlocking extensions on Android, I'd like to know about it).

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    2. Re:Ad blocker? by Fragnet · · Score: 1

      Oh wow. So not long to wait then.

  14. The Windows "nanoserver" docker image is 817MB by pointybits · · Score: 1

    According to the quickstart guide the Windows "nanoserver" docker image is 817MB. The Alpine Linux image is 5MB. Which is more "nano"?

  15. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    "One has to eventually or it doesn't matter."

    This shows a STUNNING lack of imagination. I dont think you understand how quickly we are racing to an AI controlled world where bots will make decisions based on things like your porn collection.

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  16. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by subk · · Score: 1

    Says the guy who used a hyphen to do the job of a semi-colon.

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  17. How is this particularly newsworthy by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    I haven't been particularly attentive to my computer lately and I 've been running these builds, and Slashdot got me this info before I got it from the Feedback Hub just because I happened to check Slashdot on my Android phone. Steam hasn't been displaying web pages on recent builds, but I haven't seen much noise about it so that might be a misconfiguration unique to me. Microsoft's determined to make Windows even more of a black box they don't want people to see inside, which will be just fantastic for malware makers and may help them get their foot in the door for making console malware.

  18. Re: Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by hackwrench · · Score: 2

    Hey, like you, I don't like Edge, but not like you, I appreciate the ability to file bugs that unlike any other browser comes with using Nightly, keep on top of your bugs and they do get fixed... for the most part and I 've had a better track record with Nightly than release versions of the other browsers, which largely revolves around how I'm visually impaired and how browsers respond when I crank the font size up... got a tracking bug on elements of Nightly that do not play nicely with Windows 10 default font sizes set to 20. Microsoft does its part in messing with me by resetting the default font sizes to 9 every time it installs a build, which it probably will do again when I download this build.

  19. Re: so by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Don't remind me how Microsoft decided the Edge favorites menu in the previously current build needed to be completely broken and not just hobbled as in previous builds.

  20. Whoah by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The Blu-ray icon and Network Quick Action icon have also been updated"

    Updated icons? Good lord, will this astounding innovation ever stop?

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    1. Re:Whoah by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      It's every bit as innovative as a rose gold watch band from Apple. The future is here. Flying cars can't be far behind.

    2. Re:Whoah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Oh please, fuck off. If you don't mind a UI that looks like rotten ass, head on over to Distrowatch and cram a Linux distro up your ass.

      Ah, it seems we have a tough guy from the Windows 10 team posting, displaying the same attitude in print as the operating system does in action. Lovely, isn't it? Explains a lot, too.

  21. Re: Upstream bandwidth required by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Wait... I WANT them to find something useful... to me. In fact, while I don't assign them the noblest of motives, at least I'm aware of what all of this is supposed to be about which is companies providing services and things to people that they actually want.

  22. Re: Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Mostly I'm trying to point out the extreme level of disrespect with which you treat anyone who doesn't agree with your views. Perhaps you should be a little nicer to people. Treat people with a little more respect and this won't happen.

  23. Re: Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    Just remembered... I don't know how standards compliant Edge is, but apparently there was a page the other day that Edge couldn't handle, apparently because the page wasn't standards compliant enough, and Edge offered to pass it to IE for me.

  24. Colors by Daetrin · · Score: 1

    Have they made it so i can change the color of the taskbar to any color i want? (Without installing Classic Shell.) More importantly, have they made it so i can change the text color in the taskbar, and more importantly the systray? Really it would be nice if they just enabled all of the settings that you _used_ to be able to set via the .theme files.

    I was able to change the color of my taskbar to a nice light grey with Classic Shell and by switching to the AeroLite theme i was able to get black text in the actual taskbar. But the text in the systray is still white on light grey, making it practically unusable.

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    1. Re: Colors by hackwrench · · Score: 1

      The color of the Taskbar can be changed, but it shares that color with other Windows elements. I've submitted feedback for more granular control.

    2. Re: Colors by Daetrin · · Score: 1

      Good point! It _is_ possible to change it, but as you said it's linked to other elements that i don't necessarily want to be the same color as the taskbar, and the choice of colors they give you is _very_ limited. Even if i were willing to have the title bars be the same light grey that color wasn't an option without resorting to a 3rd party program.

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  25. Re: Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by pezpunk · · Score: 1

    id like to express the exact opposite of every single thing you just said.

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  26. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by sexconker · · Score: 2

    A semicolon would have been inappropriate there; "they're fundamental" shouldn't be separated from the rest of the sentence that way. The hyphen was used correctly, though I could have also used parentheses. I chose not to because the formatting of my sentence was specifically crafted to use a hyphen (in order to highlight the errors the AC committed).

  27. Re: Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Wow, you have anger management problems. That is incredibly clear through your history of extremely aggressive posts on here. I've seen you fly into massive fits of rage whenever someone posts or replies to you and expresses doubt that humans are causing global warming. It's as if, despite the extreme preponderance of evidence that humans aren't causing global warming, you're desperately wanting it to be true and lashing out at anyone who says otherwise. It sure seems that whenever someone says something you don't like, you feel that you have justification to attack them with little or no bounds to your bad behavior. Apparently your abusive posts extend beyond global warming. But no matter how much you say otherwise, Edge is a good browser and humans aren't causing global warming. Accept that people have different views than you, which are actually supported by strong evidence. Move on and chill out. You'll be glad you did.

    Ok, lets see if MightyMartian is a SJW.

    Windows 10 and global warming are definitely not LBGTQ issues. They have absolutely nothing to do with trans community please stop trying to drag the LBGTQ agenda into absolutely everything.

    grab popcorn.

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  28. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    Not everyone is a native English speaker, rude moron.

    And many people who are native English speakers can't be bothered fussing over every little detail of English grammar or spelling!

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  29. Re: Was the biggest feature.. by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    No, the biggest feature of the Windows Insider builds is that they start letting you have some say in what W10 should be, or pretend to let you... I'm sorry, but I find myself having trouble typing this with whatever's the text equivalent of a straight face.

  30. Re:Hyper-V by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

    The steady work on Hyper-V seems impressive with each release... M$ seems to be giving this product a lot of love, but does M$ permit you to run another M$ OS in it, or am I right they expect you to buy another license?

    It kinda feels like a rip to pay full-price for a license for an OS that's only gonna run in a virtual machine. Running as a guest, you'll never realize the full benefits of many of the OS' features (e.g., Direct X). So, why pay full price?

    Windows 7 Pro gave you a free licensed copy of XP, back when XP was still a supported OS. Apple let's you run as many instances of virtualized OS X as you like (so long as your host is Apple hardware, if you're reading the fine print). Linux, of course, is free. But having a virtualized M$ OS is just convenient to have, for testing, rolling back an undo drive, true virtual workspaces, all sorts of stuff. If M$ packaged a canned version of 10 with Hyper-V, that could get interesting.

    What virtualisation system is used to run OSX VMs?

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  31. Re: updated bluray icon by Pop69 · · Score: 1

    What blu ray icon ?

  32. Re:Hyper-V by WheezyJoe · · Score: 1

    OS X El Capitan builds and runs as a guest under Virtual Box, although the "additions" don't work and you don't get sound (I've tried it, it works).

    OS X as a guest is also fully supported by commercial products like Parallels Desktop 11 and VMware Fusion (for Mac).

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  33. Re:Hyper-V by armanox · · Score: 1

    Also works on VMWare ESX[i] if the host is a Mac.

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  34. Re:Hyper-V by armanox · · Score: 2

    If you have the licenses you can run Windows VMs (including virtualized copies of appropriately licensed physical machine), and you can run some Linux VM (Ubuntu, Red Hat, Cent, and SuSE). Other operating systems (non-blessed Linux versions, OS X, BSD Unix, Haiku, Solaris, IllumnOS, etc) generally do not work at all.

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  35. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by Darinbob · · Score: 2

    Can it do noscript and adblock? If not, it's not worth looking at. Maybe Firefox is slow to some people, but with most javascript disabled it's feels pretty responsive to me. I don't know how you'd get a "superior brownsing experience".

  36. I am sure after the Titanic was listing at 10%.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yep, I am sure there were some that started to bail water when the Titanic hit 10%... How did that work out???

  37. Re:Nobody cares. by JDeane · · Score: 1

    All electronic communication can be tracked, encryption is probably the one form of control or privacy you have and even that is questionable as to how effective it can be. Best way to not get caught doing something? Just don't do it...

    With every government on the planet wanting to know everything everyone is doing, odds are multiple agencies are profiling and cataloging your very thoughts..... not mind reading but writing patterns words chosen. Browsing habits times dates everything cross referenced they can probably tell things about us that we don't know about ourselves at a conscious level.

  38. Re: Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by gl4ss · · Score: 2

    why you need to download a new os and nuke your settings, which it says it preserves.

    the real problem with using a combo of windows 10, visual studio(latest megauberblabla kit), chrome and firefox is....

    that it becomes almost impossible to tell if you have actually a virus or some bitcoin miner on your kit. because of the virtualization and shadow copies and other ntfs options and pisspoor firewall defaults and even poorer cert management/verifying, and stuffing everything to run in the services process for no reason at all.

    and since ms decided to enable by default all different sorts of ways to tunnel data(for their shitty telemetrics, no doubt) you can't easily just throw it behind a router/firewall either. you have to disable half the operating system after install.

    and then fuckin' google comes in and decides to not give an option to disable webrtc on android chrome, so wtf, should I put then on separate networks?

      - and you know what they actually want you to do? buy a friggin MDM solution. MS is to blame for a lot of shit on windows 10 but thats just because they're copying stuff from others.

    coming up on next version: pay a software provider a fee that the sw provider uses to pay MS for a license : to install a proper firewall! I mean, samsung is getting away with that shit already on android(yes, samsung provides apis for uninstalling bloatware, adjusting fw and everything on non-rooted android devices, but it involves a license from them. if you ever wondered why there isn't a free working system package disabler for latest galaxy devices then that is it, you need to have an enterprise license to enable that functionality without rooting).

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  39. Re:Microsoft: bring Edge to Linux and OS X! by MoarSauce123 · · Score: 1

    Why? Because Linux and OS X have not enough crappy browsers to chose from? Edge is a carbon copy of IE11 with the legacy support stripped. Microsoft even copied the same bugs over into Edge.Edge is by far not standards compliant. Sadly, none of the browsers available today are. They are standards compatible at best.

  40. Re:Hyper-V by armanox · · Score: 1

    Huh...? Linux is a first class citizen. And FreeBSD has the drivers built-in for Hyper-V.

    Not been my experience. You have to be very careful about which versions of which distros you install, what generation of VM you use for a particular version, etc. Give you an example - Networking did not work at all for Oracle Linux 5 with Oracle's kernel (and it was a situation where I had to match another system that was setup (matching the Linux configuration found on an ODA). I've also had some interesting networking issues with Ubuntu 14.04 where the NIC randomly receiving traffic (but can still send).

    I'll also admit to not having tried FreeBSD (recently). Last BSD I tried was OpenBSD and there were too many missing drivers (once again, networking)

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  41. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by shaitand · · Score: 1

    I certainly do care if a machine under the control and access of someone else sees data I haven't chosen to share, porn or otherwise.

    That data can be used to track me, identify me, identify my habits, waste my attention and money with better targeted ads, and spot the dozens of things I (and everyone else) do on a daily basis that violate one of the hundreds of thousands of obscure lines of law on the books.

    That last one is huge. Almost everything is illegal by the strict letter of the law. The reason we aren't all in prison (including the law enforcement) is that humans are enforcing and judging the law and even a supreme court justice will only be aware of a tiny fraction of the law. An AI won't have that problem. I don't care who you are, you DO have something to hide even if you don't know it.

    Forget your porn. Are you good with Microsoft and anyone they choose to sell the processed and evaluated data to knowing about your finances and your tax data? That time you engaged in unauthorized systems access by taking a look at HBO go with your brothers credentials to decide if you wanted to subscribe? Keep in mind, we are talking about an AI world with no common sense or reasonable exceptions and the courts have decided they can lie and instruct juries that they are only allowed to judge the facts for strict technical violation of the law and not the justice in applying the law to a particular case.

  42. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    and spot the dozens of things I (and everyone else) do on a daily basis that violate one of the hundreds of thousands of obscure lines of law on the books.

    That last one is huge.

    It's also an extremely stupid (thus unlikely) move for MS to make. Think about it, when your OS starts calling the cops on you, you move to another OS. Only a company hell-bent on putting themselves out of business would do that. Since the rest of your post is based on that premise, well, the rest of your post is going to be ignored.

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  43. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by shaitand · · Score: 1

    Yes, it isn't that a machine saw your data. The issue is that a machine controlled by someone else and with a purpose potentially in conflict with your interests saw your data. Windows 10 turns your personal computer into such a machine. Facebook, google, and your phone all do much the same. More and more your devices are no longer machines that you control, they are machines you pay for but are still controlled by third parties that don't share your interests.

    Once they've got your data they can mine it with smart algorithms including more and more sophisticated AI.

  44. Re:Hyper-V by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

    So basically you are making statements of fact about the present based on very very dated experience?

  45. Re:Hyper-V by armanox · · Score: 1

    Not dated. Most of these attempts (OEL 5 and OpenBSD) were done summer/fall 2015, and the Ubuntu try was Jan 2016. There has been no new release of HyperV in that time (using Microsoft Windows Server 2012 R2, Ubuntu 14.04 was the most recent LTS release at the time, and OEL 5 is the current OS release for the Oracle Database Appliance (next version Oracle tells me will move to OEL 6).

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  46. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by shaitand · · Score: 1

    "It's also an extremely stupid (thus unlikely) move for MS to make. Think about it, when your OS starts calling the cops on you, you move to another OS."

    We are talking about windows 10... where they are already doing this.

  47. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    So someone's been arrested because an AI turned them into police after reviewing their Windows 10 telemetry? Wow, I must have missed that story, that's truly frightening!

    Oh, wait, no, that didn't happen at all. I'll point to the text you quoted for why it never will.

    Now, I wouldn't keep any trade secrets or documents relating to un-filed or pending patent applications on a Windows machine at this point. But fear of your OS calling the cops on you? That's just retarded.

    Mind you, I really wouldn't much mind if Microsoft did take steps to put themselves out of business in short order. It might get Adobe to release their stuff on Linux (so as not to be beholden to Apple) so I can finally run my platform of choice for every purpose other than testing. I just don't think that's how they're gonna do it; it would take only a single prosecution based on a false report and everyone from the project manager who greenlighted it on up to Ballmer himself would be up to their balls in charges. The company might pay for Ballmer's defense, but the rest of the lot would fry for it.

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  48. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by shaitand · · Score: 1

    "So someone's been arrested because an AI turned them into police after reviewing their Windows 10 telemetry?"

    Straw man.

    You didn't say it would be an extremely stupid move for MS to have an AI turn someone in to the police resulting in an arrest. You said it would be stupid for MS to have your OS call the cops on you. The NSA/FBI are executive enforcement branches and therefore count as "the cops" and since windows 10 sends data to the cops your criteria is already met. Whether it's MS mining the data or the NSA is it undoubtedly being mined and the algorithms and AI doing that data mining is only going to get more sophisticated from here.

  49. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    That last one is huge. Almost everything is illegal by the strict letter of the law. The reason we aren't all in prison (including the law enforcement) is that humans are enforcing and judging the law and even a supreme court justice will only be aware of a tiny fraction of the law. An AI won't have that problem.

    That's what I was replying to so, no, my argument was not a straw man, it was what was, in fact, actually being discussed.

    In fact, those were your words.

    since windows 10 sends data to the cops

    Oh? Evidence?

    your criteria is already met

    A) The AI reviewing and reporting was your criteria.
    B) No, it has not.

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  50. Re: Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    I was merely attempting to point out that the sheer volume of data being collected means they'll likely be unable to find anything they deem useful about a specific individual, even if some very targeted algorithms are able to pick out some key information useful to the advertised services (e.g.the ones the users is using and, thus, useful to the user himself).

    One complaint is that you can't turn off all telemetry in Win10 and that what you can turn off gets turned back on again by updates. Personally, while I do see the former problem, I've yet to experience the latter. Perhaps it's an issue with the beta release tracks, which should not be used on production systems to begin with and, thus, should not pose any privacy threat beyond that which was agreed to when joining the "inside track" program.

    Another complaint is that a lot of the data that is (supposedly) being collected has nothing at all to do with providing you anything you may want. I also think it's a way overblown concern, as all the particularly nasty shit that could be done with this data would essentially put Microsoft out of business overnight and land everyone from the manager who greenlighted it, on up to Ballmer himself, in prison. The data we're talking about here is fingerprints of executables being run on a system, along with path and filename information, stack traces, and various other bits of performance and stability related data, in snapshots taken when certain events occur. For example, when an application crashes or an installer reports that it did not complete its installation task correctly.

    The approach they're taking is a bit heavy handed and I don't particularly like it myself, but reality keeps me from screaming of rapidly descending atmospheric components and such. I have a sneaking suspicion you and I are on the same side of this.

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  51. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by shaitand · · Score: 1

    "A) The AI reviewing and reporting was your criteria."

    The strawman was adding the requirements that they be conclusively caught doing so and that someone be publicly arrested.

    You are right, I can't prove they are shipping this data to the NSA at this point. It's new, give it time. But given that we are talking about the company that bought Skype for it's perception of security and then re-engineered Skype for the sole purpose of making it possible to wiretap, a set of actions that serves no purpose but to dismantle a secure communications platform for the benefit of authorities, my assumption they are doing so is in perfect keeping with MS past behavior. They've put their money contrary to where their mouth to the tune of millions before.

    Suggesting otherwise is akin to suggesting your local PD doesn't share any data with the FBI.

  52. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    The strawman was adding the requirements that they be conclusively caught doing so and that someone be publicly arrested

    If it never leads to an arrest or any other consequence, who gives a fuck? I should say the real strwaman is that it matters at all if nothing ever comes of it. If not that, then that law enforcement agencies, most of which operate on tight budgets, would take this data, which brings with it a very real cost for acquisition, storage, analysis, and verification, and do nothing with it. In short, if this was happening, we'd know by now.

    But given that we are talking about the company that bought Skype for it's perception of security and then re-engineered Skype for the sole purpose of making it possible to wiretap, a set of actions that serves no purpose but to dismantle a secure communications platform for the benefit of authorities

    Two words: targeted advertising. There's your other purpose.

    Suggesting otherwise is akin to suggesting your local PD doesn't share any data with the FBI

    Logical fallacy. And, unlike you, I'm going to support my claim as I'm making it. You see, it is expected that law enforcement agencies share data, so one would be silly to suggest that they don't. That said, I have friends and family in law enforcement, at every level from small town cops and county Sheriffs, up to some of the TLAs you really seem to be worried about and the biggest complaint I hear is how difficult it is to not only get information from other agencies, but also to share information with other agencies. It's a common problem, across the board, and for damn good reason. Unless an investigation is already underway between two agencies and those agencies join forces to complete a joint investigation (after agreeing on who gets credit for it, of course), no agency is willing to trust another agency's data; a botched conviction looks bad even if it's based on someone else's bad data. But hey, how would I possibly know any of this? I'm sure my friends and family are just lying to me so I don't catch on that they all know what I did last summer.

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  53. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by shaitand · · Score: 1

    "If it never leads to an arrest or any other consequence, who gives a fuck?"

    Who said anything about never leading to an arrest or other consequence. You seem to be living in an ancient world where people aren't snatched, convicted in a secret automatic conviction court, and then stashed in an undisclosed location all under gag orders as easily as breathing the word "terror."

  54. Re:Upstream bandwidth required by BronsCon · · Score: 1

    You seem to be living in a world where people have no friends or relatives who might report their disappearance. While this might describe you, I can assure you it does not describe the majority; though, having no ties to anyone who might report you missing is cause for investigation. Again, though, how would I know this? Think.

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