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Google's Algorithm Displays Racist Results Because the Society Is Racist (fusion.net)
On June 6, Kabir Alli, an 18-year old in Virginia, posted a brief video of himself running a couple of quick Google image searches. First he searched for "three black teenagers" and was met with several rows of decontextualized mugshots. Then he searched for "three white teenagers" and was served up stock photos of relaxed teens hanging out in front of various plain white backgrounds. The tweet has stirred controversy, with many people accusing Google of being racist. But is that the case? Alli says that while it's Google's fault in some sense as they should have better control over the things people see, he also believes that at the end of the day, what Google shows us is a reflection of what people think. A Google spokesperson had similar things to say. Our image search results are a reflection of content from across the web, including the frequency with which types of images appear and the way they're described online. This means that sometimes unpleasant portrayals of sensitive subject matter online can affect what image search results appear for a given query. These results don't reflect Google's own opinions or beliefs -- as a company, we strongly value a diversity of perspectives, ideas and cultures.
If you just search for "three teenagers" that's fine. When you start mentioning the race in the search term, YOU are the racist.
captcha "re-arrest". seriously wtf?
Look, I am just curious. Is there anything good about not being the "other" race? Just wnt to know.
We write comprehensible sentences.
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If you google "5 black women" you get photos of groups of black women, however if you google "5 white women" you get pictures of shoes.
Clearly this is some sort of intentional misogy-racist commentary on the relative shoe purchasing power of ethno-genderic foot fetishists. Or something like that at least, can I have my social studies diploma now?
And black males are disproportionately represented in gangs and other criminal statistics. Notice how most of those mugshots are of black men, and pictures of women are for the most part not mugshots.
a statistical fact that black males between ages of 14-17 are 10 times more likely to commit a homicide then Whites and Hispanic's Combines. Can deny the truth all you want but facts are facts.
Everyone is a little bit racist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RovF1zsDoeM
This just in: Search engine displays realities of life, not sugar-coated version of what we want. See other news and weather at 11.
Is it sterotypes and Lies or is it just straight on truth but everyone wants to cover it up? Take 1 guess what group commits 52.5% of the homicides on avg year after year?
When you are in Rome, it's best to be Roman.
Table-ized A.I.
If it's reflective of the content being indexed, the only way to "correct this bias" is to add bias.
You can't keep arguing for equality while at the same time highlighting differences.
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The group that has guns?
Saw this video today, demonstrating google censoring their searches.
Does indeed look valid.
Clearly Kabir we are assigning a negative value to mug shots. That's a value the computer isn't trained to assign or detect. It could be that thug life and mug shots are prized, and the white people shots are "lame" and worthy of chastising, like thingswhitepeoplelike.
This ends up being a bigger commentary on the observer and their biases rather than the neutral computer.
Slashdot's rate-of-post filter: Preventing you from posting too many great ideas at once.
As a white male, I can get a rent-a-white-man job to represent black males in society. Pays quite well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7LOXDA0A0Y
No. It should focus on presenting accurate search results from web sites. Google is NOT an oracle of truth.
Sadly truth is only a defense for fact based discussions. Race based discussions are usually anything but fact based. Much of political correctness is not talking about the elephant in the room. For white people the only winning move is not to play, or to talk in this case.
The group that has guns?
Yes, because all murders are committed with firearms....
Giving accurate results should always be the priority. Biasing data just robs people/society of an accurate self analysis.
What are YOU doing to change that?
So all the soldiers who keep trying to kill me are black, but the one guy at the beginning who just whacks me with a stun baton until I pick up the can is white?
I'm sorry, isn't this completely f***ing obvious? I mean all of it, that society is racist and that Google search results reflect that racism. I don't care whether you're 18 or 80, this really shouldn't be a surprise.
"it's Google's fault in some sense as they should have better control over the things people see"
No. Now fuck off. Oh shit, I guess that makes me a racist I suppose.
Alli says that while it's Google's fault in some sense as they should have better control over the things people see...
In so far as Google controlling how information is displayed, I agree. Google, however, should not control which information is displayed. There is little difference between hiding mugshot photos and hiding photos of tanks in Tienanmen Square; both represent significant social issued we should not hide from view lest they be allowed to continue behind the shadows.
That is to say, it is Google's job to display exactly the information they are displaying: the potentially offensive images and their sources. It, then, becomes our job as a moral society to take those sources to task if they are in the wrong. Google hiding this information would, in reality, protect the people actually perpetrating the offenses.
Sure, you might not have to see it anymore, but that doesn't mean it's gone away. Making it go away is our job; showing it to us so we know we haven't met with success yet is Google's.
The question, then, becomes whether or not what Google depicts is an accurate representation of reality; we already know it's an accurate representation of the sources. If it is an accurate representation of reality, it is on us to change that reality; if it is not, it is on us to convince the sources to change to match reality.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Nothing. I'm not black. They're the only ones who can solve their problems. If you want white people to solve black-on-black violence while the blacks do nothing to help themselves, don't be surprised when the solution that white people come up with displeases the black people.
Also, Google customizes search result based on one's browsing history and past searches, so maybe those results are because of the searcher's history as well. You bring up an excellent point though.
It is all Google's fault that most black teenagers have criminal records, while most white teenagers spend their time hanging out around white backdrops. Lets not even think about putting the blame on those poor black children. They not only face the problem of poverty, but also the problem of childhood obesity caused by all that food stamp money. I blame Google. They should be returning search results based on how we would like the world to be, not how it is.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
No, this is not a reflection of what society thinks. This is a reflection of reality. Quit blaming people (and companies) for pointing out that black people commit crimes, and start blaming the black people who keep committing crimes!
In a sense you're seeing the beginnings of this with Trump. Really I think much of the drama is the 1% trying desperately to keep everyone from noticing that the middle class is disappearing faster than glaciers. Keep everyone riled up over non-issues (bathrooms anyone?) while inequality grows by leaps and bounds.
This is firmly 'your rights online'. Hes saying basically that google should alter its results to show a nicer ideal. That is tech and its social ramifications.
Good-bye
Some groups will do anything to avoid accurate self analysis
If you want white people to solve black-on-black violence while the blacks do nothing to help themselves, don't be surprised when the solution that white people come up with displeases the black people.
How about smiling, being respectful and saying "thank you" to black people? That's the fastest way I can defuse any situation with a black person on the street, as most black people are afraid of crazy white folks.
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So you think that instead of reporting on the world as it is Google should, in their infinite wisdom, decide what the world should look like and then return search results with that in mind?
Moreover, how do you envision Google actually implementing your regime of censorship? Currently the lifetime risk of going to prison for a black US male is about 30%. By age 18, 30% of black men have been arrested. The typical white and black teenager do not have the same life experiences. So how are Google's algorithms supposed to decide when displaying the inequalities of our society is the right thing to do, and when doing so would be too upsetting to the user?
Everyone who complains about racism can't give a coherent definition as to what it is.
It's just whatever they feel like bitching about that they can force the "racial trigger words" into.
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I was reading through before posting and FINALLY someone said the correct answer.
Google's systems are just returning matches from their index. Google isn't creating the content they are indexing. They are not making decisions about society, what you might want to see, or whatever value people want to try and slap on it. CHANGING that behavior is what would introduce bias.
And like it or not, there appears to be far more content on the web to index that has "black teenager" equated with mugshots than "white teenager". And that shouldn't be surprising ot anyone because facts show that to be true in reality, too... not just some bias of the web. We can try to argue WHY this is so, but that doesn't change that it is fact and Google is doing nothing wrong.
Don't pin this shit on anyone but the perpetrators of the gang mentality/thug culture.
The music industry is a big problem.
First do the search WITHOUT the word 'three'. Suddenly you get no mugshots.
It's the word three that's a problem. Nobody labels normal photos with the word 'three' in it. Instead, generally NEWS PHOTOS get that distinction. All the image searches you get when you do a 'three' search come from the news.
Try searching for:
three teenagers
three Jewish teenagers
three Christian teenagers
three Indian teenagers
When you ask for teenagers, you get a lot of black, Hispanic, and white teenagers, all mixed up.
When you specify that you only want three black teenagers or only three white teenagers - YOU are doing a search that embodies the racism. What's wrong with the Chinese teenagers? etc. etc.
But when racists go looking for three white teenagers, they want clean cut photos, so that's what Google gives them. When a racist goes looking for three black teenagers, they want thugs, so that is what Google gives them. When you want three Indian teenagers, you get poor people. Etc. etc. etc.
It's all from the racism inherent in the people asking those kinds of questions, not the search itself.
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Why would I not say "thank you" where appropriate? I don't get the question.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Pick any group, oppress them and you will have more of them in prison and more violence among.
I couldn't find stats for children, but Wikipedia says 4.7% of black adults in the US are incarcerated. That's against a backdrop of a country with an insane incarceration rate, but still...
So there is just no way that returning multiple pictures of arrested children is in any way representative of reality.
It's nonsense like this that perpetuates untrue stereotypes.
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How about smiling, being respectful and saying "thank you" to black people? That's the fastest way I can defuse any situation with a black person on the street, as most black people are afraid of crazy white folks.
Here is the problem though, Blacks kill other blacks in mass on a weekly basis, They need to see themselves first killing each other needs to stop before they expect cops to calm down though blaming cops for everything is just the smoke screen.
That's your assignment, answer your own question.
What could I possibly do to change the decisions others make?
Smile, be respectful and say "thank you" to black people. And not just to black people. Everyone. You might be surprised by the results.
How often do you see picture of 3 black teens that isn't in news over some crime? At this point seeing that on new's is as certain as death and tax's at this point. Funny thing is this stuff has been happening for years but a lot of it been kept to local news. With the internet 1 search you see how much this is really going on and people are mad they are forced to swallow the red bill of truth instead of the blue pill of lie's.
Hmm... murderers?
Thought I would've guessed that it's more than only 52.5%
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
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Go back to where you came from, then
Hear hear!
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Asians were 'oppressed' much more than black people were in the recent past, just ask George Takei (Mr. Sulu). Black people haven't been oppressed for give-or-take 50 years; that's several generations of black people growing up without knowing what it was like to be segregated. Still, historically, black crime wasn't nearly disproportionate as it is today even though they were 'oppressed'. In the early 1900's-1950's race of incarcerated people largely resembled the actual population ratios although it was higher for those of 'negro' decent (that was the word used in context to statistical data), there were many times more white people in prison than any other race.
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Why would I not say "thank you" where appropriate? I don't get the question.
Go to a coffee shop on a regular basis. You might notice that a white barista will get "thank you" almost all the time. A black barista will get fewer "thank you" or not at all.
When you look someone in the eye and say "thank you," you are acknowledging that they are a human being. Too many people don't regard black people as human beings, just animals that deserve to get shot in the street.
It has bad PR, though. If it said Skynet is killing people because people are just fucking STUPID, and cites things like this one, it would actually receive a lot of nodding and a softly sighed "Allright, carry on..."
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Most cultural hierarchies of authority produce down-right horrible human beings
it's possible that groups of black teenagers commit more crimes and get arrested more often than groups of white teenagers"
That's what you'd expect in a racist society.
Here is the problem though, Blacks kill other blacks in mass on a weekly basis,
So it's the Catholic ones that are the real problem? Perhaps you meant en masse?
Inheritance is the sincerest form of nepotism.
Google produced not one but several images that reinforce negative racial stereotypes that do not represent the subject.
Google is a search engine, not a censorship engine, and not a political correctness engine. They absolutely should NOT be controlling what people see. If our society is racist, we should deal with that, rather than trying to pressure corporations into covering it up.
None of that contradicts what I said
Yes, it reflects that America (and more accurately, website and search content regarding American black people) is kind of racist -- not Google.
Search for "Three African teenagers" and you get quite a more reasonable (similar to "Three White teenagers") result: https://www.google.com/search?...
It's not some kind of huge conspiracy.
Google should give you what you asked for.
Indeed, that's what Google should do. However, Google's ability to do that is highly dependent in the data Google has. If all of Google's data (collected from 3rd party sources, mind you) has the text "three black teenagers" next to mugshot photos, Google is going to think those photos depict three black teenagers.
They will fix this quickly.
Yes, I'm sure this will be what pushes them to perfect their image recognition algorithms to no longer have to rely on surrounding text for context.
Except that... well... the surrounding text is how the algorithms learn in the first place.
Google won't fix this because Google can't fix this. We, as a society, must fix Google's data sources, either by making them more accurate or, if they're already accurate, changing the reality they depict.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Hey! what happened to my sarcasm quotes!
Google indexes what's there.
So if "three teenagers" returns mostly white teenagers (which it doesn't by the way, at least not anymore) and "three black teenagers" returns mugshots, one should first of all wonder where these pictures come from.
"Three teenagers" is nothing you'd expect on a Facebook page. Would you classify yourself and two friends as "three teenagers"? No, you'd call it "me 'n my bff" or similar rubbish. The only place I could think of where three teenagers would actually be called "three teenagers" is a news outlet. And likewise for "three black teenagers".
And, lo and behold, a quick Google search reveals exactly that: Most of the "three (black) teenager" pictures are from news pages.
Draw your own conclusion who you should blame here.
If you think there is a problem, blaming Google is barking up the wrong tree. Google is nothing but a showcase room of what's there, it doesn't produce the goods. Silencing Google only means you don't see the problem anymore, it is still where you left it.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Stealing black children and raising them to act white (or asian).
That didn't work too well with Native Americans.
You know it only works when you use the number three.
Go try it yourself.
Search black teenager
Search white teenager
Notice the complete lack of mugshots.
This is a statistical anomaly, not a plot, not an evil plan, not racists trying to color our youths minds. Its a fluke.
a statistical fact that black males ages 14-17 are more than 10 times more likely to end up in prison for the same drug "crimes" than white teens committing the same offense. This is due to the *fact* that the color of their skin makes them more likely to get pulled over, then searched, then indicted, and then convicted.
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And we'll have world peace?
No, but it's a start to return to a civil society.
Dunno about him, but considering that I live in rural Oregon, there's not a whole hell of a lot that I could do, at least locally; seems to be a shortage of non-white-folks out here.
There's help that could be done in in Portland, but the progressive crowd is too busy gentrifying the place - which in turn is driving black folk out of that town faster than redlining ever could. Seriously - something that generations of bigots had tried and failed to do, the Latte Leftist crowd will get done in less than 10 years.
But hey - here's an idea... how about we work to change the culture that black youth are bombarded with on a daily basis? You know, get rid of the music that oh-so-happily promotes misogyny, violence, and worse towards fellow blacks and especially black women? Of course we could also change that whole single-parenting-is-so-awesome-so-abandon-that-bitch-quick paradigm that was a sad byproduct of the '60s sexual revolution. Then we could promote building character, work skills, and entrepreneurialship, instead of simply doling out benefits like the government were some paternalistic entity that thinks poor black folk are somehow incapable of improving their lot on their own...
Everybody wants to make excuses, but no one wants to stand up and do the actual work - mostly because the work that needs done tends to also refute the whole 'progressive' ideology.
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If the data doesn't conform to your politically motivated view of things, the data is biased and wrong and must be censored to save us all from the horror of seeing things as they are on the infosphere and over the real world.
It's not Google's job to censor what people thinks and does on the web, neither lie to us about what people think and does on their search results. The data comes from the way people post information on the web and from the universe around it producing that data, and thus it is what it is.
And if they did change it to conform with some political preference, it would be a very good time to drop Google for another less biased provider.
There's nothing to correct.
The only time you would use the text "three black teenagers" is when race somehow matters. A common case in which it matters is when describing suspects in media reports. Since America is mostly white you don't use "three white teenagers" as often since that's the assumption of "three teenagers" anyway. And of course "three black teenagers" is an uncommon use of language outside of media reporting - and surprise surprise media reporting spends more time on crime than crime rates would make you expect they would.
Couple that with the fact a common stock image description format is of the form "three teenagers on a white background" and surprise surprise you get these ridiculous complaint. Since black is not a common background color and media photos are going to rank higher than stock photos you get fewer on the black search.
How are they not representative?
Lots of highly ranked images on the internet that share a page with the words "three", "black", and "teenagers" happen to be media crime reports.
Lots of highly ranked images on the internet that share a page with the words "three", "white", "teenagers" happen to be stock photos of teenagers with white backgrounds.
That is what you asked when you do the search.
Thank you for what?
Anything, everything. Most people don't say "thank you" anymore.
So just for grins, I ran through it answering as I would if I were the biggest jerk I could imagine. It came back saying I was a shining example of a human being. Almost Godlike.
I told a friend about this and she suggested I run it again with the same answers, only instead saying I was a woman. A woman giving the exact same answers was said to be a major bitch, irritating, neurotic, etc...
The point here is that there is no truly objective Reality. Google's search engine is just software and like any other observer, interacts with what is being observed.
Good point, but it doesn't answer your question
Google results are literally the definition of not racist: they are not modifying their results or algorithm on the basis of race. The results are a reflection of prevalence and linkage of content online, which may reflect a societal racism, but even that is pretty tenuous based on the data presented. A more straightforward example is that online content is representative of statistical data, and/or societal perceptions, neither of which would indicate racism per se.
Moreover, the suggested "fix" to have Google bias search results on the basis of race IS LITERALLY RACISM. The people calling for Google to "fix" their results to be an inaccurate representation of online data are literally calling for Google to employ racism in generating their search results. *boggle*
I expect the twitter-verse to be stupid... but please at least try to not reflect their stupidity on Slashdot, kthanks.
Were you aware that the middle class is disappearing because many are getting wealthier? It's not just middle class becoming poor.
https://www.aei.org/publication/yes-americas-middle-class-has-been-disappearing-into-higher-income-groups/
Yes, the middle class has shrunk by 11% since 1970, but that is because over half of them are now considered wealthy.
...nothing to see here.
PS, if you search for "three aquatic mammals" you don't get three typical aquatic mammals either. You get a picture of a single seal or something because the text doesn't come up so much.
Because people don't take pictures and label them "3 black teenagers", for regular social photos more like: "me and my friends". The people that label photos like "three blahblah teenagers" are stock photography companies or police.
Google gave you what you searched for, it didn't anticipate your context and doesn't have a human level understanding of what a human is, let alone a black teenager.
Treat Google as a simple text and you won't be disappointed. Everything beyond that is a bonus. Google does it better than most, but...
AI, machine learning... there's some smoke and mirrors, some very impressive and valuable niche and specific applications, but does Google have the cognitive ability to hold a human-equivalent realistic model of the world?... that's the AI holy grail, we're not there yet.
Not really. Trump is using "Crooked Hillary" not because he's a two year old, but because he's actually being very savvy by creating a short, media friendly sound byte.
He's using repetition after repletion to make us associate "Crooked" with Hillary, and even if we don't believe it, it has an effect. One of those effects is more media results. It's not a bias, its that the media are having their strings pulled because Trump knows how to play them.
And to be honest, she's kind of an easy target to begin with. She's one of those folks who you never manage to convict, but you can never quite believe she's aboveboard. She's just been in politics too long with too many things happening around her.
When you are in Rome, it's best to be Roman.
No, it's much better to be Visigoth.
Google isn't a news site, its search results come from an algorithm. They aren't hand-picked by employees of the company.
While I think there's some truth in there, I think you've confused "commit" with "be convicted of".
Try Googling "criminal face." Most of the people who appear are white. Try Googling "bad person." You get some cartoons and caricatures and they are mostly white! Likewise "uneducated idiot teenagers" turns up majority white with a small number of minorities. Google searches just aren't that biased against minority skin colors.
Black people make up 13% of the US population and 3% of the British population. That means there are far more white people in each population, which means far more companies potentially looking to buy images of smiling white teens. The demographic breakdown of society isn’t, in itself, racist. However, the fact that companies don’t think white people would buy their products if they had black models advertising them seems like a reflection of society’s prejudices.
Got it upside-down again... if 3% of the population are of one ethnic group how does it make sense that in a perfectly statistically representative world that more than 3% of them would take part in modelling for stock photos... I guess blaming the photographers and people buying photos makes better headlines, truth is that in terms of proportion of stock photos there is no one to blame because there's probably nothing wrong.
In other news photographers are not taking an equal number of photos of extremely rare birds compared to commonly available birds... why do so many people suck at basic statistic, it's just common sense.
It's a flaw. The user asked for images of black children, the images presented are not representative.
No, the user asked for "three black teenagers". Go do a Google image search right now for "black children" and tell me whether or not you think that is representative of the pictures that are online. So, why do mugshots of 3 black teenagers appear when you search for "three black teenagers"? Because guess how often those 3 words appear in a story accompanied by a mugshot. It IS representative, it's representative of the pictures that are posted online accompanied by the search term.
You want proof that it is representative? Go search right now for "three white teenagers". You'll see a bunch of stock photography of white kids, a few mugshots, and several screenshots of Google image results showing a bunch of black people in mugshots, as well as mugshots showing black people. So, class, what have we learned? How come an image search for "three white teenagers" TODAY shows images of black teenagers in mugshots, and screenshots of Google image search results? Do you think those images would have been part of those results a week ago? Do you understand how Google works?
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Weird. Why would someone base saying "thank you" on the skin color of the person to thank?
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
12.5% of the population over there are murderers?
Uh... don't get me wrong, but I think I'll cancel my USA trip.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
Google is good because it interprets what you search for better than other search engines.
And it's good at doing that because it builds its index based upon context and what people are linking to. If you go to Google Images and search for Comcast, you'll see swastikas, a hammer and sickle, and other "inaccurate" images among the top results. That isn't because Google thinks Comcast is run by communist nazis, it's because many other sites out there have posted these images alongside text that refers to Comcast. Likewise, if searching for "three black teenagers" brings up mugshots among the top results, that isn't because Google is racist. It's because many other sites out there have posted those images alongside text that refers to three black teenagers.
Neither of these are Google's problem to "fix," they're examples of Google being good at what it does, as you said. If you don't like Google's results, maybe it's time to ask why the words "three black teenagers" coincide with mugshots so frequently.
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They wouldn't and he's just trolling. Black-on-black violence isn't the fault of white people not thanking black baristas, even if that actually happened in reality.
This is just the typical "white guilt" viewpoint: everything is the fault of the all-powerful whitey. If you buy your froofy coffee drink in the wrong way, minority murder rates will start rising, because those poor savages don't have any self-determination of their own.
If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
But does that take into account their prior convictions?
Most of the time when someone states a similar "fact", it does not.
This isnt a "whites versus idiots" issue; its "non-idiots versus idiots" one. I'm not even close to being white (from a third world country, and brown AF) and i find the idea that google should somehow PC-police their search results preposterous. There are legitimate race issues, why take caricature examples like this and decide based on them that there can never be a rational discussion around race? The winning move for whites, as well as with others, is to call out BS when they see it (like this example) and yet stay engaged in real problems that do in fact affect people everyday.
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'my people'? Nice generalization there, especially for someone who's supposedly against the expression of such things. Most people in the US are the same peasant stock as those in Europe. The US and the UK banned slavery right around the same time, and the emancipation of ex-slaves on both continents was largely simultaneous.
At least, according to this: http://www.reuters.com/article...
America was built by racists and slave labour.
So was Europe. Of course, the countries of your continent have are much better at the whole self-loathing thing, taking in mass numbers of ill-educated barbarians who assault women and demand crazy cultural concessions. Enjoy your islamic future. I'm sure it'll be quite 'progressive.'
Today in the west (at least for now), everyone has equal opportunity, both in the US and western Europe. The current squabble in the states is over affirmative action/equal outcome which is an entirely different animal. It's largely being triggered by well funded agitprop. Personally, I do not like being told I owe something to someone else because of skin color. My ancestors never owned slaves or were aristocracy, not that civilized societies should stoop to blaming sons for the sins of the fathers.. That's so old world.
Racism is making judgements and assumptions about a person based on their race (or apparent race). It's not racist to be aware of race or use it as an adjective. Ignoring those characteristics is called "color blindness" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness_(race)_in_the_United_States) and is rather controversial. You might not like the adjective ("Black" vs "African American"), and that's valid. Just use a different adjective for the same characteristic.
Per that article, 'Martin Luther King, Jr.'s central hope was that people would someday be judged by "the content of their character" rather than "the color of their skin".' He's not saying people shouldn't recognize the color of their skin; just that they should not be judged by it.
In fact, studies have shown that children raised in a "color blind" environment develop their own judgements about their schoolmates, including juvenile observations about race, gender, height, weight, etc that are shockingly biased because they simply haven't been shown anything different. This is especially true in communities that aren't very diverse, where there might only be one or two minority kids available to base those judgements on.
For example, go ask someone who lives in Japan what they think of black people in America.
Use the appropriate adjectives to describe what you're thinking of, and don't make judgements about people simply because they exhibit some of the characteristics described by those adjectives.
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It's really not a racial thing. It's a U.S. problem in that raising three generations of black folk on welfare has generated an increasing dependence on the government for income.
Look at African folks in European and African countries for a balance. The crime problem isn't there.
It's what the U.S. culture/government does with the race that is the root of the problem.
You don't see the same crime, crappy language and behavior coming from people of African descent in other countries.
Heck, you don't even see it in Canada.
NO SUCH THING AS A HUMAN AVERAGE.
If you measured every human, added the results and divided by 7.13 billion there would be.
Doing a Google image search for "two black teenagers," "four black teenagers," and "five black teenagers" shows lots of pics with black teens hanging around (albeit a few mug shots are mixed in). It's only "three black teenagers" which shows mostly mugshots.
Also, most of the "white teenager" pics seem to be stock photos, not actual snapshots. So if there is a bias, it's probably that people looking for stock photos of teens tend to look for white teens (most of the non-mugshot black teen pics look like snapshots). Which could be racist, or could be a reflection of why they would want stock photos of teens. e.g. Maybe the black teen demographic doesn't respond as well to visual ads of generic teens hanging out, and instead respond better to ads with sports or music celebrities (who are disproportionately black)?
On an unrelated note, it's fascinating how often Google Image Search gets the number of people in a pic wrong. You'd think it would be super-accurate given they run facial recognition algorithms in Google Photos.
White and hispanic teens need to step it up a notch.
It is weird, but I have little reason to doubt his claim. Do some digging around and you'll find quite a few studies dealing with what has been termed the 'racial empathy gap'.
Required reading for internet skeptics
Google will likely fix it by demoting the rank of mugshots, the same way they demote porn, that image of Michelle Obama made to look like an ape, stolen photos of celebrities etc. The weighting algorithm takes into account more than just popularity.
I agree though, the real fix is to fix the way society sees black kids.
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"a statistical fact that black males between ages of 14-17 are 10 times more likely to commit a homicide then Whites and Hispanic's Combines."
Even when other attributes are considered? in a multifactor analysis is skin color the one showing the highest prominence? Are Bel Air black teenagers more or less likely to commit violent crimes than white teenagers from a depressed Detroit neighborhood?
Correlation is not causation, do you remember?
"facts are facts"
Yeah, sure, there's no way the way you look at facts can have nothing to do with your view of things.
Remember how people hat algorithmic or even human moderated timelines? They want to see the facts, the posts as they are posted.
For an (image) search it's the same. People do not want to see results moderated (by human or computer) to remove non policial correct stuff. When google finds these kinds of results, then because they were somewhere on the web associated with these keywords. Changing what the search term finds would be lowering the quality of the search, as its function is to find images, which belong to these keywords.
So you may make the mistake and think google image search is a encylopedia. But it isn't, its a mirror of the reality on the web, when it's working as intended. And when high profile sites publish content in such a way, it's found in such a way.
And the correction assumes it as well.
Fix one search term and the people will bring up another problematic one. Failing to see, that the algorithm is neutral to its input and every fix involves humans changing the correct output of the algorithm (which does not judge if the input is correct) to something else.
"Asians were 'oppressed' much more than black people were in the recent past, just ask George Takei (Mr. Sulu)."
Pick any group, oppress them and you will have more of them in prison and more violence among.
"Black people haven't been oppressed for give-or-take 50 years"
so you say so
"that's several generations of black people growing up without knowing what it was like to be segregated"
or working as slaves, so?
"Still, historically, black crime wasn't nearly disproportionate as it is today even though they were 'oppressed'. In the early 1900's-1950's race of incarcerated people largely resembled the actual population ratios although it was higher for those of 'negro' decent (that was the word used in context to statistical data), there were many times more white people in prison than any other race"
Pick any group, oppress them and you will have more of them in (the oppressors) prison and (probably) more violence among
That's part of the definition. Though I'd question the 'more violence' part
Women? They make up just over half the population. And they go bat-shit crazy sometimes. My ex threw a fork at me once.
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"the answer us kill those whose made up mind does not match the decision that you would have chosen. If you can't change a person's mind, destroying it achieve the same outcome"
The question was "What could I possibly do to change the decisions others make?"
Trumps near racist appeals reflect what a significant fraction of US voters think. Trump has avoided being as politically correct as candidates in recent decades. Racist candidates were pretty blatant 40 and more years ago. Any accurate social software is going to capture this bias in society. Perhaps this increased self awareness will help some to improve themselves. And rest dont care.
10 times more likely to be convicted maybe.
"What could I possibly do to change the decisions others make?"
Answers can be found in normal human relations, psychologists and educational therapists could provide some help along those lines. Like if you insult someone they will be more likely to retaliate, so at that level for example you could change your behavior and that would help others make different decisions.
In this case, you can look at it at the level of cultural relations.
I agree though, the real fix is to fix the way society sees black kids.
Rather (as was my point), the real fix is for the source of the bad data to correct their data. Adjusting your algorithms to hide bad data only allows the source to continue producing worse and worse data until your algorithm has so many filters it is no longer capable of displaying anything even close to representative of its input.
Since a racist source is unlikely to self-correct, it's on us as a society to figure face the fact that such racism exists and send a clear message to the perpetrators that we do not accept it.
Expecting Google to sweep it under the rug is basically telling them we're willing to accept it as long as we don't have to see it ourselves.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
Yes, I see my typo, no need to point it out. I had been awake for maybe 5 minutes and not even gotten out of bed yet when I typed this.
APK quotes people (including myself) without context and should not be trusted. Just thought you should know.
I disagree now with what I wrote, please delete
So there is just no way that returning multiple pictures of arrested children is in any way representative of reality.
Google is not meant to be representative of reality. It's an Internet search engine - its purpose is to be representative of the Internet.
And if it so happens that most online photos that can be described as "three black teenagers" are mugshots, then that's exactly what Google should be showing.
As far as fixing this, the onus is on all the websites that publish those images (I'd imagine it's mostly news sites).
I challenge you to thank these people when they smash in the windows of your car, or loot the local CVS in their neighborhood.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
No, we should all marry unwed black mothers so that their children can grow up with a father figure. We are all being selfish by marrying for love while others are selfish for not marrying their "baby's momma".
Much of the problem in the black community has been put upon unmarried mothers raising kids on their own. The lack of father figures in the kid's lives leads to a lack of discipline and respect for authority. But I am sure it is all the fault of the terrible white man that is keeping them down.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
I wish I had mod points, this was one funny comment.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
This can easily be demonstrated as well, if you click on the image (twice) it will bring you to the page the image originated in. The next thing to do it to search for the individual words (not phrase, Google doesn't actually search for phrases often). You will find that the article accompanying the picture refers to three black teenagers being arrested for some crime.
It is quite easy to see what happened, and to see that Google has no place correcting their search, as it is working exactly as it should.
The bias is actually in the media companies and how often the report on black people committing crimes. This bias comes from reality though, so it is difficult to fix.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
Some moved up, some moved down. We keep hearing that there was a recovery and that the economy was doing fine. For the 1% that's true, incomes have rebounded and they are richer than every. For everyone else, not so much. The impression that I get is that more are unhappy than not. If times are as good now as some would have you believe then you don't have to convince everyone, it will be self evident. So ask yourself, as you look around the country and overhear people does it sound all rosy or is the recovery the punchline of a bad joke?
I challenge you to thank these people when they smash in the windows of your car, or loot the local CVS in their neighborhood.
Where in my comments did I say "thank you" was an appropriate reaction for violent behavior?
Are you willing to condemn white people for rioting in the streets after a sporting event?
https://mic.com/articles/105198/9-photos-of-white-people-rioting-put-the-ferguson-demonstrations-in-perspective
Anyone who riots should be thrown in jail for some time. It is wrong, and destructive, with no positive outcome.
APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?