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FBI Director Comey: 'Highly Confident' Orlando Shooter Radicalized Through Internet (cbsnews.com)
An anonymous reader writes from a report via CBS News: FBI Director James Comey echoed President Obama's statement that he does not think the Orlando shooting was a plot directed from outside of the U.S. "So far, we see no indication that this was a plot directed from outside the United States and we see no indication that he was part of any kind of network," Comey told reporters. The intelligence community, Comey said, is "highly confident that this killer was radicalized at least in part through the internet." CBS News reports: "The FBI first became aware of the shooter, Omar Mateen, in May 2013 when he was working as a contract security guard and he made statements that were 'inflammatory and contradictory,' Comey said. Mateen told his co-workers at the time that he had family connections to al Qaeda and that he was a member of Hezbollah. Comey pointed out that Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, is a 'bitter enemy' of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) to which he pledged loyalty in 911 calls as the attack unfolded early Sunday morning." According to CNN, at least 50 people were killed inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, marking the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
don't blame the messenger
Along with every other idea anyone has.
Slashdot poster "Fuzzyfuzzyfungus" highly confident that FBI director Jame Comey doesn't appear to know a goddamn thing about the guy his agency investigated at least twice; but knows to blame the 'internet' thing that damn kids are always getting terrorist propaganda and strong encryption from.
The shooter's old man sounds like a peach, a supporter of the Taliban who basically said, "I never taught my son to kill homosexuals", but then goes on to explain how God will punish them. One can imagine a man from a backwards culture who schooled his son in what to hate, and the son simply took it to the next level. After all, once someone has decided that God's gonna need to start killing some blasphemers, it's not that hard to decide that maybe God needs a helping hand, or in this case, an AR-15.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
This whackjob was apparently a bad egg long, long ago.
Cheering while watching the events of 9/11. https://www.washingtonpost.com...
Wow. Ridiculous. Ignore the fact that there are Muslim nations that execute homosexuals. The religion itself is extremely homophobic. Ignore the rhetoric the radicals of the region spew out every day online. Then you somehow think radio "talents" in the United States are the radical ones. WOW. Just WOW.
It really does. The Abrahamic religions are barbaric. Let's stop passing these dangerous superstitions onto successive generations.
Because he shot the place up because he hated gay people. Duh.
He also had a documented history of racism, which might explain why he went on Latin Night.
Even without the Internet, this guy could've simply attended a talk by an imam:
(This sort of bigoted hatred is Ok, but arguing that sayers of such stuff should be carefully watched would get you banned from Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit.)
At least, he is not blaming an anti-Islam movie by some weirdo...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Because the terrorist has done shooting in that nightclub because it was a gay nightclub?
The fact that it was a meeting place for gay people was more relevant for him doing the attack than the fact that it was a nightclub.
I spent some time on a traditionalist Catholic forum, and there's nothing the father of the shooter said that hasn't been said by many Catholic posters on that site. Most of those posters were clearly fluent English speakers, so I'm assuming they were American, Canadian, British, Irish and Australian, so we're talking residents of the First World, and they often had the same view. "Oh sure, you shouldn't attack homosexuals, but you know, they're going to pay for their unnatural acts!"
In fact, in certain religious communities, like traditionalist Catholicism, Evangelical Christianity (and related groups like the Pentecostals, Seventh Day Adventists, and the like), and in conservative Islam, there's an incredible obsession with homosexuality. Some of it may come from Judaeo-Christianity's roots, the Old Testament made it pretty clear homosexuals are to be executed, and even ol' St. Paul made it clear in the New Testament that homosexuals were part of a special group of really bad sinners. And this was passed on to Islam well, but all clearly linked back to the Mosaic laws prohibiting homosexual acts.
You should spend some time on these sites, to get a window into the kind of mind that believes there's an infinite omnipotent being that apparently obsesses about what is done with our genitals, and has a special place in Hell for those that insert them in the wrong place, or who pick a life partner that doesn't fit the narrow view. While Omar Mateen may be at the harsh end of the spectrum, before people pat themselves on the back for being so very secular and advanced, state-level sodomy laws were only finally thrown out in the US in 2003, and major religious organizations like the Catholic and Mormon Churches fought tooth and nail to prevent gay marriage, so while none of them advocated the murder of gays (well, most did it, there were some social conservative types who certainly want to make it illegal again), they were doing everything in their power to deprive homosexuals of full constitutional and legal rights.
I think a number of churches and religious sects really need to do some soul searching. This bizarre, almost fetishistic need to constantly rail against the LGBT community, to invoke conspiracies like the "Gay agenda", to constantly promote fear and, yes, hatred, needs to be confronted.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
The Orlando Police are going to be dogged by the 3 hour delay. The FBI decided that they need to get in front of the public first so they can get forgotten first.
Legitimately and eventually, the Orlando police will have to answer the question, why they wait 3 hours. They are tasked with protecting the public. So, here we have a situation where they (officers could be killed) risk life. And they sat back until some huge amount of force was assembled. Meanwhile the victims, and these are not hostages, but actual potential targets, crazy dude gets to shoot people for 3 hours.
If you are a police officer, this is a situation where you surly say, I might get injured/killed, but this is my job. People are being killed, I am tasked with protecting the public. Do firemen wait for the fire to burn out before saving people?
I remember that high-school shooting where rich white kids were being shot. Those police did not wait 3 hours.
AFAIK, the FBI is still waiting to obtain and decrypt all of the shooters electronic devices. Comey's announcement comes after Obama confidently saying the same thing only this morning. I would not normally expect such a proclamation THE FIRST WORKDAY AFTER THE EVENT. Normally an exhaustive forensic effort would result in some bureaucratic report being generated about a year from now.
> Deaths from savage Christians angered by Piss Christ: ZERO
Well, they certainly tried to kill people over a Scorsese movie - firebombing theaters where it was showing.
And then there are the 8,000+ killed by christians in the Bosnia genocide.
Are you fucking kidding? 49 people, almost all who were homosexuals, were killed, in a gay nightclub popular in the area, by a man who, from everything we can gather, had a particular grudge against homosexuals.
But nope, nothing at all to do with gays. Nothing at all.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Jesus fucking Christ. It was a gay nightclub targeted by a guy who even his father admits had recently become incredibly outraged by the sight of two gay men kissing.
Why is it that certain people are so fucking keen to trying to minimize the anti-LGBT aspects of this crime. It's almost as if they want to be about Islam, or perhaps no matter what it's about, it shouldn't be about homosexuals.
As I say elsewhere, would you complain that the media talked about the attack on a *black* church in Charleston? Do you think that's inappropriate?
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Countries where people don't have such free access to the Internet don't have these kinds of incidents.
Time for to enact controls on this dangerous assault medium.
No one really needs access to that much Internet.
What's up with these web nuts and their weird pastimes anyway?
Isn't it worth it if we can save just one life?
Our cities are bathed in blood and these Internet companies are profiting from it.
The First Amendment mentioned freedom of "the press". There are no printing presses used to make the Internet.
We just want to register and track Internet users.
And subject them to background checks before they can go online.
And prevent them from using dangerous tools like "encryption" to hide their usage.
We've got to close the WiFi loophole that lets people access the Internet without a background check.
Who could argue with these common sense measures?
If you don't agree with this, you have blood on your hands.
Ammunition didn't kill anybody. The guy that pulled the trigger killed. People get run over every day, many times it is with malice. Did the gasoline (or diesel) kill the person?
We need common sense internet laws. I mean, why does a person even need a 50 Mbps internet connection? You don't need that much bandwidth unless you are planning on breaking the law. If the internet had been better regulated, this man would have never been radicalized.
and its called the Internet.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
FBI spews USUAL fabricated BULLSHIT as "highly confident" "intelligence".
Deeply conflicted individual, drank alcohol. Couldn't recite prayers. Not Muslim to speak of.
The fact is, there is more documentary evidence of his connection with the NYPD than there is for ISIS! LOL.
https://t.co/5OcOKyBMe4
Guess what? NYPD thought he was... GAY!
The Pulse is a place this sad young man was found to visit FOR THREE years! The staff knew him as a semi-regular.
http://m.palmbeachpost.com/new...
He had a Grindr account. He was closeted and took it out on his wife. He hated other gay people that were happy. That's why he killed them. He was miserable on the inside
Yeah, but "ISIS!"
But you'll fall for anything, won't you? So you get this bullshit: "Clinton calls for escalated violence in Iraq and Syria in wake of Orlando attack"
https://t.co/pKBUY6BGv4
That's why it's called brainwashing. You can't even evaluate this contrary evidence. On one hand all defamatory about "big government", until that government is the FBI, telling you your ugly hatred and provincial phobias are valid. Then it's "high confidence".
The only hope for this world is the rapid disintegration and collapse of the United States into a hopeless and internally preoccupied failed state. You can't save a bag of tools this stupid.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Just don't think they should be able to coop the term marriage. They can have all the same rights, just call it something besides gay marriage. Also think husband and wife should be used for a man and a woman exclusively. Be creative, come up with some terms that won't confuse everyone when you bring your wife Bob to the family reunion. Most people supported civil unions but that wasn't enough. Now people are being sued for not baking a cake.
I'm also against the current argument that transsexuals can choose the bathroom they feel most comfortable using. I do support allowing people to change their sex, but it needs to be a legal proceeding. Otherwise, they may as well say anyone can use any bathroom, shower facility, etc because anyone at any time can say they feel like a person of the opposite sex. I don't hate gays, just don't agree with their agenda.
Same with Muslims, don't hate them, but not going to turn a blind eye to their religious and political tenants (Islam is both a religion and system of governance). There are lots of Muslim countries and they all seem to have serious issues with their non-Muslim neighbors. And there are Muslim insurgents in secular nations that are trying to turn those into Muslim countries. It is they that have divided the world into the part of peace (Islamic) and war (non-Islamic). They fight amongst themselves because Shia and Shite don't recognize the other as being proper Islam (and thus the other is in the region of war). I also don't like their stance on women and the wearing of the hijab, that they don't allow people to leave Islam (which is un-American), that they do not assimilate, that there are millions who support the tactics of terror, that they blow up and destroy historical and cultural artifacts (especially if they are of another religion), that the rules for their behavior changes if they are in the region of war (allowed to drink, lie, steal, have gay sex, etc if it is in support of Jihad) and I could go on. But I don't hate them, just want them to modernize and reform, which is unlikely cause apostasy is a death sentence in Islam.
BTW, all of your long posts about history are really insensitive. This Muslim inspired massacre occurred this week, not centuries ago.
Why do you hate hippies then?
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.