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FBI Director Comey: 'Highly Confident' Orlando Shooter Radicalized Through Internet (cbsnews.com)
An anonymous reader writes from a report via CBS News: FBI Director James Comey echoed President Obama's statement that he does not think the Orlando shooting was a plot directed from outside of the U.S. "So far, we see no indication that this was a plot directed from outside the United States and we see no indication that he was part of any kind of network," Comey told reporters. The intelligence community, Comey said, is "highly confident that this killer was radicalized at least in part through the internet." CBS News reports: "The FBI first became aware of the shooter, Omar Mateen, in May 2013 when he was working as a contract security guard and he made statements that were 'inflammatory and contradictory,' Comey said. Mateen told his co-workers at the time that he had family connections to al Qaeda and that he was a member of Hezbollah. Comey pointed out that Hezbollah, based in Lebanon, is a 'bitter enemy' of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) to which he pledged loyalty in 911 calls as the attack unfolded early Sunday morning." According to CNN, at least 50 people were killed inside Pulse, a gay nightclub, marking the deadliest mass shooting in U.S. history.
don't blame the messenger
Along with every other idea anyone has.
More likely than "radicalization" is that he was simply someone with mental problems and a history of spousal abuse and violent behavior who bought into the current rhetoric (originating from Trump, Cruz, Limbaugh and other extreme right-wing sources) against the LGBT community. In his eyes it gave him an excuse to do what he wanted to do, and now we have to clean up the mess.
What I find so amusing about all of this is the people most like to spin stories about every Muslim being a villainous terrorist are also the people most likely to complain about the evil gay lobby.
I love how all the social conservatives who hate Muslims and homosexuals, have now started embracing homosexuals. It's kind of amusing, in a sick and ironic way.
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Slashdot poster "Fuzzyfuzzyfungus" highly confident that FBI director Jame Comey doesn't appear to know a goddamn thing about the guy his agency investigated at least twice; but knows to blame the 'internet' thing that damn kids are always getting terrorist propaganda and strong encryption from.
All religions are NOT equal.
Deaths from savage Christians angered by Piss Christ: ZERO
It really does. The Abrahamic religions are barbaric. Let's stop passing these dangerous superstitions onto successive generations.
Because he shot the place up because he hated gay people. Duh.
He also had a documented history of racism, which might explain why he went on Latin Night.
Even without the Internet, this guy could've simply attended a talk by an imam:
(This sort of bigoted hatred is Ok, but arguing that sayers of such stuff should be carefully watched would get you banned from Facebook, Twitter, and Reddit.)
At least, he is not blaming an anti-Islam movie by some weirdo...
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Because the terrorist has done shooting in that nightclub because it was a gay nightclub?
The fact that it was a meeting place for gay people was more relevant for him doing the attack than the fact that it was a nightclub.
The guy was a long-time steroid user.
I'm sure that did not help him to remain chill.
The Orlando Police are going to be dogged by the 3 hour delay. The FBI decided that they need to get in front of the public first so they can get forgotten first.
Legitimately and eventually, the Orlando police will have to answer the question, why they wait 3 hours. They are tasked with protecting the public. So, here we have a situation where they (officers could be killed) risk life. And they sat back until some huge amount of force was assembled. Meanwhile the victims, and these are not hostages, but actual potential targets, crazy dude gets to shoot people for 3 hours.
If you are a police officer, this is a situation where you surly say, I might get injured/killed, but this is my job. People are being killed, I am tasked with protecting the public. Do firemen wait for the fire to burn out before saving people?
I remember that high-school shooting where rich white kids were being shot. Those police did not wait 3 hours.
Even though law enforcement had insufficient evidence to hold him, he was almost certainly suspicious enough to have his Internet/phone usage and weapons purchases spied on.
Table-ized A.I.
AFAIK, the FBI is still waiting to obtain and decrypt all of the shooters electronic devices. Comey's announcement comes after Obama confidently saying the same thing only this morning. I would not normally expect such a proclamation THE FIRST WORKDAY AFTER THE EVENT. Normally an exhaustive forensic effort would result in some bureaucratic report being generated about a year from now.
Are you fucking kidding? 49 people, almost all who were homosexuals, were killed, in a gay nightclub popular in the area, by a man who, from everything we can gather, had a particular grudge against homosexuals.
But nope, nothing at all to do with gays. Nothing at all.
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This is nuts. He was apparently interviewed and investigated previously, probably monitored too. Yet he could still buy a weapon and go on a spree. Why is there surveillance again? Now the story implies that more surveillance is required on the internet. Its not working, so stop the surveillance.
Jesus fucking Christ. It was a gay nightclub targeted by a guy who even his father admits had recently become incredibly outraged by the sight of two gay men kissing.
Why is it that certain people are so fucking keen to trying to minimize the anti-LGBT aspects of this crime. It's almost as if they want to be about Islam, or perhaps no matter what it's about, it shouldn't be about homosexuals.
As I say elsewhere, would you complain that the media talked about the attack on a *black* church in Charleston? Do you think that's inappropriate?
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Countries where people don't have such free access to the Internet don't have these kinds of incidents.
Time for to enact controls on this dangerous assault medium.
No one really needs access to that much Internet.
What's up with these web nuts and their weird pastimes anyway?
Isn't it worth it if we can save just one life?
Our cities are bathed in blood and these Internet companies are profiting from it.
The First Amendment mentioned freedom of "the press". There are no printing presses used to make the Internet.
We just want to register and track Internet users.
And subject them to background checks before they can go online.
And prevent them from using dangerous tools like "encryption" to hide their usage.
We've got to close the WiFi loophole that lets people access the Internet without a background check.
Who could argue with these common sense measures?
If you don't agree with this, you have blood on your hands.
Every time there's a major gay pride event, I see no lack of Christians declaring how appalled they are at all the displays of homosexual love. Various turns of phrase amounting to "Why can't those sodomites stay in the closet" usually come out. I've seen no lack of posts around here during my 13 years posting where some posters show considerable hostility to the LGBT community. It was a few months ago that there were many posters declaring their approval for the "birth gender" bathroom law passed in North Carolina.
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We need common sense internet laws. I mean, why does a person even need a 50 Mbps internet connection? You don't need that much bandwidth unless you are planning on breaking the law. If the internet had been better regulated, this man would have never been radicalized.
This is one of those events which can be reported several different ways, depending on the slant of the reporting agency. It can be a story about radical Islam, a story about homophobia, a story about gun control, etc, depending on how they want to cover it. In reality all of those things are true, it's not like there's 1 piece to this story. It's about a homophobic ISIS supporter who had free access to guns and a desire to kill.
"Our two-party system is like a bowl of shit looking at itself in a mirror." - Lewis Black
His father claims that they walked into a bathroom that was an active gay cruise; 'men touching each other' were the words used IIRC.
Still no reason to go crazy with a gun, but truth matters. Who started this 'edit' in the first place and why?
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Like Mark Twain said "Common sense ain't that common". Your freedom hating sentiments offend me sir.
Dear moron, posting as "fsckinhippies" is as anonymous as posting as "Anonymous Coward". Why don't you "have the balls to say who you are", champ?
...also administered by way of the internet.. a little bit of Bloom County
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Rarely has the dandelion patch been needed as much as these past couple of days.. and this year... and so far, this whole $!@#ing century. I'm so glad Bloom County is back. It was a long dry spell without it. It's only gotten better with age.
I wish I could say the same about the world.
The "Civilized World" jumped the shark ca. 1973.
I didn't say it had nothing to do with gays. I didn't even infer that, so pull your head out of your arse,
I'm saying that as a news headline it's not important. Saying "gay nightclub" is nearly justifying this tragedy on the basis of the kind of people that frequented it. It doesn't. There is no justification for this tragedy.
and its called the Internet.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
oh noes!!! Someone's gonna get the elite hacker 4chan on the case!
Because "anti-Gay" isn't limited to Muslims, and there are many groups in America, many mainstream groups, who make extremely strident anti-gay comments. Do they wish to kill all the gays, well, most of these groups don't, but when you have groups as diverse as the Catholic Church, the Church of Latter Day Saints and several Evangelical churches battling LGBT rights at every turn, you can see that the sentiments of Omar Mateen fall at one end of a continuum, a continuum that is much broader than just Muslims.
Judging by Mateen's history, including spousal assault, we're likely dealing with a person with serious anger issues, who was clearly raised by a bigoted man, and we all know from the history of racism in America that men like this will often turn to violence, whether that's shooting up African-Americans in a largely black church in Charleston, SC, or, in this case, targeting a gay club in Orlando, FL. I imagine if you looked at the history of racial attacks in America, you'd find a lot of Mateens out there, though the religious affiliation will more often be some breed of Southern Baptist. But, of course, now apparently all the God-fearing Evangelicals have decided that gays aren't too bad, when it's the much-feared Muslim doing the shooting.
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And yes, I know being gay isn't a race, but it is an identifiable group, and one that has been the subject of a lot of violence and persecution, both from the State, and from various bigoted groups looking to keep the LGBT in the closet.
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Saying it was the internet is like saying it was over the telephone or a pen pal in the 70's and 80's. Of course it was over the internet but what part. I've seen some articles that say he had a grinder account and was a regular at that club. The clueless noobs they have in charge at the FBI just need fade out and blow away.
What outlet of the media are you watching where you feel it sounds like the shooting is justified?
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Ah yes, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion may not be true, but, y'know, there's this Jewish PR campaign...
It's this sort of thinking that's some distance on the way to out and out hatred of gays. I mean, how dare people in a free and open society take advantage of that, right?
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I said "nearly justifying". I'm saying that I don't think the word "gay" should be in headlines because it's not the cause of this tragedy.
I'm not the one claiming trying to front with dumbass statements like "Color you a dumb ass for not having the balls to say who you are.", you worthless fucking idiot.
It was you who labeled the "gay agenda" a conspiracy. Now you're just moving the goalposts.
No, I labeled the claim that there was a gay agenda a conspiracy theory. It's not my fault your reading comprehension sucks.
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Why even refer to the building? It can just be reported as "Several people of unimportant sexuality in a place in Orlando, Florida were killed by a MUSLIM!!!!!"
You know, political discourse was well-nigh retarded before Trump. Now it's literally at a level where it requires no higher brain function at all, just regular firing of the amygdala when the words "Muslim" or "Mexican" are mentioned.
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FBI spews USUAL fabricated BULLSHIT as "highly confident" "intelligence".
Deeply conflicted individual, drank alcohol. Couldn't recite prayers. Not Muslim to speak of.
The fact is, there is more documentary evidence of his connection with the NYPD than there is for ISIS! LOL.
https://t.co/5OcOKyBMe4
Guess what? NYPD thought he was... GAY!
The Pulse is a place this sad young man was found to visit FOR THREE years! The staff knew him as a semi-regular.
http://m.palmbeachpost.com/new...
He had a Grindr account. He was closeted and took it out on his wife. He hated other gay people that were happy. That's why he killed them. He was miserable on the inside
Yeah, but "ISIS!"
But you'll fall for anything, won't you? So you get this bullshit: "Clinton calls for escalated violence in Iraq and Syria in wake of Orlando attack"
https://t.co/pKBUY6BGv4
That's why it's called brainwashing. You can't even evaluate this contrary evidence. On one hand all defamatory about "big government", until that government is the FBI, telling you your ugly hatred and provincial phobias are valid. Then it's "high confidence".
The only hope for this world is the rapid disintegration and collapse of the United States into a hopeless and internally preoccupied failed state. You can't save a bag of tools this stupid.
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Never been known to fail..."
Just don't think they should be able to coop the term marriage. They can have all the same rights, just call it something besides gay marriage. Also think husband and wife should be used for a man and a woman exclusively. Be creative, come up with some terms that won't confuse everyone when you bring your wife Bob to the family reunion. Most people supported civil unions but that wasn't enough. Now people are being sued for not baking a cake.
I'm also against the current argument that transsexuals can choose the bathroom they feel most comfortable using. I do support allowing people to change their sex, but it needs to be a legal proceeding. Otherwise, they may as well say anyone can use any bathroom, shower facility, etc because anyone at any time can say they feel like a person of the opposite sex. I don't hate gays, just don't agree with their agenda.
Same with Muslims, don't hate them, but not going to turn a blind eye to their religious and political tenants (Islam is both a religion and system of governance). There are lots of Muslim countries and they all seem to have serious issues with their non-Muslim neighbors. And there are Muslim insurgents in secular nations that are trying to turn those into Muslim countries. It is they that have divided the world into the part of peace (Islamic) and war (non-Islamic). They fight amongst themselves because Shia and Shite don't recognize the other as being proper Islam (and thus the other is in the region of war). I also don't like their stance on women and the wearing of the hijab, that they don't allow people to leave Islam (which is un-American), that they do not assimilate, that there are millions who support the tactics of terror, that they blow up and destroy historical and cultural artifacts (especially if they are of another religion), that the rules for their behavior changes if they are in the region of war (allowed to drink, lie, steal, have gay sex, etc if it is in support of Jihad) and I could go on. But I don't hate them, just want them to modernize and reform, which is unlikely cause apostasy is a death sentence in Islam.
BTW, all of your long posts about history are really insensitive. This Muslim inspired massacre occurred this week, not centuries ago.
Why do you hate hippies then?
Time is what keeps everything from happening all at once.
It is because it caters to a minority that is often the object of hate crimes. If it were a Jewish nightclub and this happened they'd probably mention it was Jewish. If it was a club for young teens they'd mention that. If you just say nightclub it suggests there's no specific demographic that goes there. LGBTQ people would want to know that information. It also happened during Pride week. Like it or not, it's relevant.
Or PETA. Or any other of dozens of crazy people who need a cause and don't give a shit whether it's a religion or some kind of social thing.
How about the part where it appears the guy was pretty much closet himself, but likely couldn't come out because the believe system he was raised under basically meant that he would go to hell if he was homosexual?
"I mean, how dare people in a free and open society take advantage of that, right?"
I read this as acknowledging gay activism, or "the gay agenda". Are you saying you deny the factually obvious?
They guy himself was gay. A homosexual muslim shot up a nightclub to buy his way into heaven and make up for his past sins. If a black man shot up a black church because he was conflicted about his race you wouldn't paint the story as a generic racism tragedy.
Firstly, laws change, so when they do, do you really want to be handcuffed by shitty download speeds?
Secondly, not all laws are moral, and so long as I feel no compulsion to abide by immoral laws, then having the means by which to break those immoral laws is necessary.
Like climate activism?
I don't recall ever hearing about anyone yelling "AlGore Akbar" before driving their Prius into a coal mine.
It's often used in the context of "there's no gun problem, there's a gay problem". *you* are safe. It's just that those homos have pissed off God and get what they are due.
Yes, it has to do with "gays" in that it happened in a gay nightclub done by someone with a problem with gays, but that's not the story. It was a human that killed humans. That's the story. The adjectives are there to diffuse and deflect.
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LZ Granderson's TED talk has a hilariously frank discussion of the "Gay Agenda." He claims to have found a copy of the offending document. He then produces it from his back pocket, this secret "Gay Agenda" for which he and his LGBTQ brothers and sisters have been fighting so enthusiastically. It's a manifesto of all of the special rights and privileges that gays don't currently have but which they are dedicated to manipulating, coercing, shaming, and even forcing the US government into ensuring for all gay Americans.
Its a copy of the Constitution.
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