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Google To Step Up Smartphone Wars With Release Of Own Handset (telegraph.co.uk)

According to a report by The Telegraph, Google is working on its first Google-branded smartphone, and plans to release it by the end of 2016. Unlike the Nexus program, in which Google mandates the design and specifications of the phone, but leaves the manufacturing aspect to its handpicked OEM, the new supposed phone will be built from the scratch by Google. From the report:The technology giant is in discussions with mobile operators about releasing a Google-branded phone that will extend the company's move into hardware, sources familiar with the discussions told The Telegraph. [...] The new device, which will be released by the end of the year according to a senior source, will see Google take more control over design, manufacturing and software.NYMag questions company's reported move:It's an unsurprising rumor to hear: Google CEO Sundar Pichai has publicly commented on the company's emphasis on phones, and Motorola's Rick Osterloh was hired earlier this year to head up a new hardware division. And there's also the much discussed Google Ara, a modular phone which lets you swap out pieces like a camera or speakers and is slated for release in 2017. But Google is already working with hardware companies like LG and Huawei on the Nexus line of phones, which are made to the company's exact design specifications but are manufactured by third parties. It's hard to see how Google could take more control over design or software than it already does with Nexus, and while the company is likely eager to move into the manufacturing space, the timeline for Ara hasn't changed, and it seems unlikely that this new mystery Google phone is going to jump in front and actually become available to the public by year's end.

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  1. WTF? by Zak3056 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm convinced that Google, as an entity is absolutely insane and should probably be heavily medicated. They bougth Motorola to move into smartphones, but sold them, because they couldn't integrate them (IIRC there were culture issues) so when they move back into mobile, they hire a Moto guy as CEO? I'm at a loss.

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    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Too much money. No human is able to operate ratioanlly for long without constraints.

    2. Re:WTF? by Hydrian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No. Google bought Moto for Moto's knowledge / personnel. Google got rid of the dead weight of manufacturing.

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    3. Re:WTF? by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Interesting

      No, Google bought Motorola for patents to shake at dick heads like Microsoft and Apple.

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    4. Re:WTF? by swillden · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm convinced that Google, as an entity is absolutely insane and should probably be heavily medicated. They bougth Motorola to move into smartphones, but sold them, because they couldn't integrate them (IIRC there were culture issues) so when they move back into mobile, they hire a Moto guy as CEO? I'm at a loss.

      Google bought Moto for the patent portfolio, and sold the rest off the Lenovo because it was too difficult for Google to deal with other Android OEMs as both a competitor and a partner. Presumably the same issue would arise with Google-made phones (assuming there's any substance to the rumor), but Moto was already a significant competitor in the space whereas Google would be starting from scratch and not a serious threat.

      Google and Moto cultures were quite different, but I don't think there was ever a serious effort to integrate Moto because of the need to maintain a wall between Moto and Android development. And even if culture issues were relevant, bringing in tens of thousands of people in an existing organization and retraining them all into the new culture is a very, very different proposition from bringing in isolated individuals, however senior.

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    5. Re: WTF? by slazzy · · Score: 2

      Correct although think it's unfair to single out any megacorp for being a dickhead. They are all bad.

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    6. Re: WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed, Google bought Motorola for patents so they could be dickheads...

    7. Re:WTF? by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      I have to agree. The phones that Motorola came out with after the Google take over where really good. The Moto G set a new standard for the price point.

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    8. Re:WTF? by mlts · · Score: 1

      I think they bought Motorola Mobile in order to not worry about potential patent litigation from that direction. Now that the patent wars are slowing down, Google seems to be interested in going back into hardware, but not with the baggage attached from an existing cellphone company.

      This may hurt Google in the long term, though, especially with other makers making their own mobile operating systems, so if they get too fed up with Android, they can just leave.

      Also, what would a Google smartphone get me over a Nexus line? The main thing I want is "fastboot oem unlock" and the ability to run my own firmware, be it a GPE based firmware, CyanogenMod, or something I cooked up just to see if it would run. Without this, I'll go elsewhere, as a locked bootloader pretty much means the device will be ready for the garbage can in 1-2 years.

  2. Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Imagine, a phone where you can't turn off Google services because they're baked into the firmware.

    1. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      Google's phones haven't had removable batteries since the Galaxy Nexus 4 years ago, and haven't had SD cards since the original Nexus 1 about 6 years ago. These things aren't going bye-bye, they're already long gone.

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    2. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Drethon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      My old smartphone with removable battery and SD card is working just fine still. Going to see how many more years this continues for.

    3. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And do you blame Dorothy or Cipher for that?

    4. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep and thats exactly why I haven't and wouldn't buy a Google phone.

    5. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      My old smartphone with removable battery and SD card is working just fine still. Going to see how many more years this continues for.

      Ditto. I have a plain-Jane Samsung Rugby Pro and I'll use it until it dies. No apps, no crap, just a phone with modest capability. I'd remove all the junk it shipped with if I could.

      Hmmm, maybe I should buy another one before it dies because by then any phone I buy will probably be tied to some "watchful eye" corporation like Google.

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    6. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by BronsCon · · Score: 3, Informative

      You do realize that the Nexus line is built to Google specs and runs firmware directly from Google, right? Sure, they yank the removable battery and SD slot from those phones, but you sure can turn off the Google services. In fact, you can easily unlock the bootloader (it's a checkbox in the developer tools menu) and flash your own firmware, if you wish.

      I've had phones with removable batteries before, and I used to actually think they were more convenient than USB battery packs. Back then, my phone was the only USB-charged device I owned, so I was probably right. They're definitely more efficient, as every bit of power they store goes to the phone; but, if you own more than one power-hungry USB-charged device, a USB battery pack is immensely more convenient as you can charge just one battery, which you can then use to charge all such devices.

      When I got my first Android phone, a Motorola Atrix, I wished there was a battery charging cradle available for it; after all, it didn't quite match the battery life of my BlackBerry Bold (or the Curve I had before that, for that matter) and I used a spare battery for that. I did buy a spare, but it was a pain in the ass to juggle batteries in the phone for charging, so the spare battery ended up getting lost in a drawer and I bought a USB battery pack.

      When I upgraded to the HTC One X, I had several other USB-charged devices, a few of which did not have removable batteries (bluetooth headsets and such), so I already had a couple USB battery packs. I thought I'd miss the removable battery as an option (even though I hadn't used it in the Atrix). I was wrong, the USB packs were great for the rare occasion that I might be away from power long enough to need one. Mind you, I plan my charging habits around my day, so I plug the phone in to fully charge before I'm going to be gone for an extended period.

      This carried to the HTC One, which also had no removable battery. Then, I got an LG G3, with which T-Mobile included a spare battery and a cradle. I was excited, I had a viable (e.g. externally charged) spare battery again! And I used the USB battery packs... I always had one, to charge my other devices, so the battery itself was just another item to carry, which I never carried, just as spare batteries for the plethora of USB-charged devices I carry on a regular basis would have been. At the end of the day, a removable battery isn't as convenient as it seems on the surface.

      Sure, there are fringe cases where it can be. If you're packing light, you can fit 3 or 4 of them in the space of one decent USB battery pack, which is fine if you only have one device that might need a battery; the moment you have more than that, the USB pack wins. If you actually let your phone's battery die completely, it's quicker to swap in a new one than to wait for it to charge enough to turn on; if you plan your charging habits around your day, though, you can top off that battery long before it reaches a critical charge level, rendering that a non-issue.

      As for the SD slot, this is one thing I was absolutely positive I was going to miss on the Nexus 6, which I got because I wanted to try a plain vanilla Android experience. I didn't miss it one bit, in large part to my no longer carrying tens of gigs of music with me, having replaced that with Rhapsody (free through T-Mobile, though I do pay $6.99/mo to get all the features, including downloading favorite tracks so I'm not stuck without music when in airplane mode). Now, I'm not everyone, and some people might record a lot more video or take a lot more photos than I do; an argument I made for the iPhone having an SD slot at least on the 128GB models, because you're likely in an area with little or no coverage if you're also in an area where you can't find a computer to dump that content onto; but we're talking about Android here, there are options, if you need the SD slot, you buy a phone that has one.

      When I upgraded to the Galaxy S7 Edge, I

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    7. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I blame Apple for it, as well as all the manufacturers that followed suit.

    8. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      The LG G phones still have an SD slot and removable batteries. Pretty much the last flagship phone to do that though.

    9. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There isn't any reason to blame anyone for making phones better. A vocal few people need SD cards and swappable batteries. Fine, but just like with any other thing that only a few people need - don't expect all of the vendors to be in a hurry to supply a niche market. Most people moved on and are happy with lighter, simpler designs.

      On topic with the actual summary - if Google had had as much control over the design of my Nexus 6p as the summary claims, it would have had a compass. Without the compass, Google Sky Map is absolutely useless. All of their prior phones (I only started with the Nexus 4, but I had the 4, the 5, the 6, and now the 6p) had the compass. Maybe if they design their own phones it will have this feature back.

    10. Re: Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by pr100 · · Score: 3, Informative

      The s7 has an SD card slot... it's hardly niche.

    11. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, they are on my radar if my phone breaks. Since Verizon stopped subsidizing phones, I don't feel like blowing $20 a month until I have to.

    12. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      A vocal few people need SD cards and swappable batteries.

      Funny, that argument wasn't valid when Apple launched the iPhone.

    13. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Well, the Moto Z has adopted a novel-ish way to provide this kind of stuff in the future. It's add-ons can contain a hot-swappable battery, which bests the kind that you have to shut down the phone to swap. And I suppose somebody could make a battery+SD card module too. All in what simply looks like a scratch-proof back. It's pretty cool, if it doesn't end up being too pricey. Of course the low-end model has a skimpy enough battery that this may become a necessity. But the higher-end model doesn't skimp.

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    14. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Hylandr · · Score: 1

      Too obscure of a reference for anyone not a crew member of the Nebachanezer.

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    15. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yet, hasn't its success (and massive share of the _profits_) shown that most people truly don't need them?

      If they did, they would have bought the other phones that had it.

    16. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by amRadioHed · · Score: 1

      I figured that it was a reference to the Matrix of some sort, but for the life of me I can't figure out what it's supposed to mean.

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    17. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      > Funny, that argument wasn't valid when Apple launched the iPhone.

      Says who? For me its a good enough reason alone to never buy one

    18. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      One word : music.

      People listen to stuff in the outside on an external battery-powered speaker, and the songs and mp3 "mix tapes" won't store themselves in the built-in 8GB found on most smartphones.
      Having no data plan or limited data plan is common too. Even homeless may people have smartphones now.

    19. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I would also point out, the lack of need of SD slots isn't shown out by the huge number of lightning port external flash devices on the market.

      People want expandable storage, but not enough to buy a different phone. My guess is it is more about learning a new interface, and fear of the unknown.

      https://www.google.com/search?...

      If expandable storage was no big deal, there would be no market for these flash drives, or the USB-C/microUSB equivalents.

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    20. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Coren22 · · Score: 1
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    21. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      30 hours vs 40 hours. I don't know if I would call a 30 hour battery exactly skimping. It is quite thin though, and I would likely lean towards the force instead if only for the screen, but the 40 hours battery would also be nice, as that is a whole weekend.

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    22. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      I dont want to now have to use some inconvenient external dongle to regain what my current phone has already built-in.

      > People want expandable storage, but not enough to buy a different phone.

      You're apparently assuming that people who value expandable storage currently have a phone without it. I would say the likelihood is not true, and the real problem is completely the opposite. The shrinking number of new phones that can replace features that people already have with their current phones.

    23. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, re-reading my first sentence, I realized I missed half the sentence.

      I would also point out, the lack of need of SD slots isn't shown out by the huge number of lightning port external flash devices on the market.

      should read

      I would also point out, the lack of need of SD slots being ok with consumers isn't shown out by the huge number of lightning port external flash devices on the market.

      When there are enough people trying to expand the storage by plugging something into the bottom port, it proves that many people want the feature, not that no one cares. In fact, the external flash drives for phones are a horrible solution compared to SD cards, but people deal with it because it is all that is available for the iPhone and many other phones.

      There are many people who still buy iPhones, but want expandable storage, or else nobody would produce external storage designed specifically for the iPhone.

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    24. Re:Bye bye removable battery and SD cards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the reason for me no to get one, ever since...

  3. Finally an Android smartphone that won't suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And with built-in direct-to-Google data-spying features too!

    1. Re:Finally an Android smartphone that won't suck by chispito · · Score: 1

      And with built-in direct-to-Google data-spying features too!

      How about a phone that gets upstream updates without manufacturer and carrier cruft in the way?

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    2. Re:Finally an Android smartphone that won't suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, there will be cruft galore:

      Google this

      Google that

      Google something else...

    3. Re:Finally an Android smartphone that won't suck by Yvan256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Google's new but soon to be discontinued something...

    4. Re:Finally an Android smartphone that won't suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And with built-in direct-to-Google data-spying features too!

      How about a phone that gets upstream updates without manufacturer and carrier cruft in the way?

      It'll still have a ton of cruft, Google cruft that both don't want and will never use. Not to mention the lack of an SD card slot, got to get you on Google drive, Youtube, Hangouts, G+ and the rest somehow.

      My next phone will come with Cyanogen installed from the factory, either a YU Yutopia or a Wileyfox Storm. Complete control over the installed apps, so that the only Google app installed will be the play store, 90% of my needs are covered by the OSS apps found in F-Droid, the play store is only useful for games.

  4. Re:Another Reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    " boycott Google and it's evil products. "

    Could you boycott apostrophes? At least until you master the fact that it's means it is?

  5. I'll take obvious things for $300 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is a manufacturing plant test run, Alex?

    Anyone who thinks the Ara would be made and released next year from a vaccuum needs to give up their job in speculation.

    1. Re:I'll take obvious things for $300 by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      What vacuum? It has been in development for years now. They have several prototypes, and it isn't like moving from a prototype to manufacturing takes years more.

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  6. Thanks Google... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Google needs to be in every aspect of our lives.

  7. You must have GPS and Data enabled at all times.. by denis-The-menace · · Score: 1

    You must have GPS and Data enabled at all times to use the phone.

    If you cover the the camera and try to use the phone, it will ask you to uncover the camera and block the phone until you comply.

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  8. Re:Another Reason by hawguy · · Score: 1

    This is just one more reason to boycott Google and it's evil products.

    I don't understand. Why would a Google manufactured phone be a reason to boycott Google? If you're worried about evil, surely they can't pack much more evil into a Google Manufactured phone than they could into a phone developed by a 3rd party to their exact specs?

  9. Google SpyPhone by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Introducing the Google SpyPhone, now with 50% more data-mining ability!

    We don't just connect you to the world, we paw through everything you do and say and track everywhere you go in order to monetize you better!

    Free yourself from the constraints of bothersome privacy with the new Google SpyPhone!

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    1. Re:Google SpyPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! I might get...oh, it's too much! I might actually get...ads that for things I might actually be interested in! Oh the horror!!

      I guess I should just buy an iPhone. Oh wait, they hoover up your info too. MS? Yeah right.

      There's always replicant for the truly paranoid.

    2. Re:Google SpyPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      for the truly paranoid.

      How are they paranoid if you yourself admit they are right?

    3. Re:Google SpyPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Touche you cheeky bastard. Just imagine the little slanted hyphen over the e

      captcha: nailed

    4. Re:Google SpyPhone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Once, just once, I used Google to search for a garden shed and now all web pages I look at have adverts for fucking sheds all over them. God I hate Google.

    5. Re:Google SpyPhone by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      OMG, so they might give you an advertisement for something you actually need? The horror!!1!11!

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  10. whining by goombah99 · · Score: 0

    Good golly when are people going to get over "the no removable battery" schtick. The number of people that care about that can barely be measured. There's plenty of external boost chargers that are easier and safer to carry around and easier to charge on the go in your car or off your computer than a second battery. Only people that talk 24/7 need a second battery. I'm surprised you are not complaining that apple only has 1 mouse button. Time to move on.

    Now as for unstoppable google software. Indeed. andorid phones are crippled without a google play store and there's so much insideous opt-out settings to wade through. By default your phone will "listen for wifi IDs" even when Wifi is turned off? By default it sends your location to google. By default it listens on the microphone. All your autocompletes and searches go to google. my guess is it tracks your healthy movements too. It's a total tracking device in every way that it can be.

    They don't need to bake it into the firm ware as most people don't have the time or knowledge to hunt down all these things and turn them off. plus they are so linked to the phone's services that you can't practically do that anyhow.

    I guess the reason, real or imagined, that this bugs me is that Google is trying to monetize this while my impression is apple is not.

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    1. Re:whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spoken like a true Apple Fanboi.

    2. Re:whining by SScorpio · · Score: 5, Informative

      Needing to swap in a second battery in the middle of the day isn't the issue. The problem is that batteries lose their capacity after a year or two. Being able to swap in a new battery and have the same battery life from when you first got the phone can put off that upgrade for another year or two. I can see why manufacturers don't want user replaceable batteries though.

    3. Re:whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Removable batteries extend the usable lifetime of your device. I myself have been without a smartphone for over a month since sending my Nexus 5X in to get the battery replaced after it decided to melt down.

      Also some people like the certainty that their phones are OFF.

    4. Re:whining by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Good golly when are people going to get over "the no removable battery" schtick.

      When batteries stop sucking.

      There's plenty of external boost chargers that are easier and safer to carry around and easier to charge on the go in your car or off your computer than a second battery.

      Oh that will help with the fact my battery has turned to shit and needs replacing. Much harder to do that when it's not built for user replacement. Or do you reckon I should carry round a booster in my pocket to use with the crappy and now dying micro USB charging port?

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    5. Re:whining by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      Exactly. The poster you are responding to is an idiot if he thinks nobody wants replaceable batteries.

    6. Re:whining by Zalbik · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Only people that talk 24/7 need a second battery. I'm surprised you are not complaining that apple only has 1 mouse button. Time to move on.

      I want a removable battery so I don't have to pay a $100-$300 charge when my battery completely dies after a couple of years. I'm still using a Galaxy S3, and am about to switch to my 3rd battery.

      No, I don't upgrade my smartphone like a lemming every year...it's a phone...I don't need a faster processor, more memory, fingerprint scanner, rectal thermometer or any of the other widgets offered on new phones. I think it is insane that society now considers a $500-$1000 computing device "throwaway".

      That being said, I will likely be upgrading in the next year or two for a larger screen & better camera. I will only look at phones with a replaceable battery.

    7. Re:whining by eliphalet · · Score: 2

      But Google isn't going to support OS and security updates on their phones for any longer than the lifetime of the battery.

    8. Re:whining by codepigeon · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised you are not complaining that apple only has 1 mouse button

      Fine; I will complain about the 1 mouse button. It's so abnormal. I feel like i'm wearing a mitten when I try to use their mice.
      :)

    9. Re:whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My "schtick" is with the fact that it is a pain in the ass to change down the line when the battery fails. It was an "anti-user" change to push their customers towards buying a new phone when that failure inevitably occurs.

    10. Re: whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I still DO have a problem with that damn single button! I was able to "get over it" only because we can now finally plug in USB mouse whatever the hell we want, which didn't always use to be the case.

    11. Re:whining by Tx · · Score: 1

      What you seem to not understand is that when we say "non-removable battery", it generally doesn't mean that you can't replace it when it's failed. It means it takes five minutes to replace, and probably requires some tools, as opposed to just unclipping a cover by hand and pulling it out, that's all. Few phones have batteries so glued in or whatever that it actually can't be replaced. Certainly with my Nexus 5 "non-removable" battery, you only have to pop off the back cover with a pry tool and the battery is accessible, you could probably swap it out in two minutes if you were in a hurry.

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    12. Re:whining by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

      Needing to swap in a second battery in the middle of the day isn't the issue. The problem is that batteries lose their capacity after a year or two.

      Bingo, this is exactly why I want a replaceable battery. I tend to keep my phones for several years and being able to swap the battery out once it's degraded is extremely useful.

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    13. Re:whining by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      There are some really great and incredibly cheap Chinese phones with 6500mAh batteries. My brother has this one and it easily goes for days without a recharge, and is a pretty good phone too.

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    14. Re:whining by swillden · · Score: 2

      Being able to swap in a new battery and have the same battery life from when you first got the phone can put off that upgrade for another year or two.

      That can be done pretty easily on all devices with "non-replaceable batteries" that I've used. It generally requires a screwdriver, but that's okay if you only do it once every couple of years (which means you do it maybe once during the life of the phone). Also, today's batteries have better life than those from a few years ago did, so the issue is declining in importance.

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    15. Re:whining by sjames · · Score: 1

      Remember, when you want to make sure you aren't tracked, you should remove the battery from your....OH!, Guess you're screwed.

    16. Re:whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm surprised you are not complaining that apple only has 1 mouse button

      Fine; I will complain about the 1 mouse button. It's so abnormal. I feel like i'm wearing a mitten when I try to use their mice. :)

      Apple branded brain mittens, now there's a thought!

    17. Re:whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really? You really think you have such deep understanding of the issue? And that you've pinpointed what others "seem to not understand"?

      Because frankly your argument is akin to saying the resistors and capacitors on my motherboard are replaceable.

      In theory, yes, of course.

      In practice, this voids any and all warranties ... and since most of the afflicted phones here are iPhones, you void your entire loving relationship with mother Apple.

    18. Re: whining by adolf · · Score: 1

      A screwdriver and a prybar and a heat gun. These devices are held together with adhesive and plastic clips, with an occasional screw.

      Changing the battery on a Moto X tends to destroy the NFC antenna, no matter how careful you are.

      And my 1st gen iPod Touch did not survive battery replacement surgery, back when that was still a current device.

      Hell, further back, I had a Palm Zire 71 which was impossible to disassemble to get at the battery.

      More to the point, there are only two things that end users will probably need to do at some point: Change SIM cards, and replace the battery.

      It should not be any more difficult than replacing the batteries in a children's toy.

    19. Re:whining by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

      It would have been handy to be able to turn off my note 5 after I accidentally dropped it in the water while waiting for it to dry.

      Instead, I have a phone that I have to press the home and power button about 20 times to even have a shot at the screen coming on.

    20. Re:whining by just+another+AC · · Score: 1

      not in habit of replying to AC's but the argument is about batteries failing after a few years. By that time warranties are long gone. So that argument doesn't carry much weight.

    21. Re: whining by swillden · · Score: 1

      Nexus 4, 5 and 6 are pretty easy to replace the batteries in. Dunno about the 6P or 5X (haven't looked).

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    22. Re:whining by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      Built-in batteries are swappable in most phones. Sure, it's a pain to get the back off, but if you only want to swap in a new battery 2 years down the road, that's not much of an issue. I replaced the back on my Nexus 4 - it wasn't too hard to do, and I could've swapped out the battery at the same time.

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    23. Re: whining by RatherBeAnonymous · · Score: 1

      iFixit gives the Nexus 5X a 7 of 10 for repairability
      https://www.ifixit.com/Teardow...

      They give the 6P an abysmal 2 of 10 rating.
      https://www.ifixit.com/Teardow...

    24. Re:whining by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

      ...then again, I've had the N4 for 3 1/2 years, and don't really need a new battery yet. Or at least, I'm closer to wanting a new phone than a new battery at this point - though the N4 runs Marshmallow pretty damn well.

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    25. Re:whining by short · · Score: 1

      When I am recording by GPS a full day trip and read some articles on the display along the way I already need a second battery. And no, I do not want to carry a heavy battery pack in my bag the whole trip.

    26. Re:whining by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only people that talk 24/7 need a second battery. I'm surprised you are not complaining that apple only has 1 mouse button. Time to move on.

      I want a removable battery so I don't have to pay a $100-$300 charge when my battery completely dies after a couple of years. I'm still using a Galaxy S3, and am about to switch to my 3rd battery.

      No, I don't upgrade my smartphone like a lemming every year...it's a phone...I don't need a faster processor, more memory, fingerprint scanner, rectal thermometer or any of the other widgets offered on new phones. I think it is insane that society now considers a $500-$1000 computing device "throwaway".

      That being said, I will likely be upgrading in the next year or two for a larger screen & better camera. I will only look at phones with a replaceable battery.

      You're right; I realized upgrading to the 6s plus was a mistake when I went to use the rectal thermometer.

    27. Re:whining by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      Dreamchaser, I never said the batteries weren't replacable. they are. lots of places to get a professional to replace your worn out batteries. But that's something you do once in the life of a phone not something you need to have a special door on the back for.

      Far more people would prefer a water proof phone for example than a special door on the back.

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    28. Re:whining by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      then go pay some guy $15 to replace your battery. You don't need a special door on the back to make it simple when it's already cheap and a rare occurence.

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    29. Re: whining by adolf · · Score: 1

      Galaxy S5 is easy, too: Remove back panel (using thumbnail in the slot provided), lift battery out.

      I am at a loss as to why they're not all so simple.

    30. Re: whining by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      So, I guess I bought the right one. Unfortunate for my son who broke the glass covering on the screen of his after a month though, as the display assembly isn't cheap.

      At least his screen and touch panel are fully functional, it appears to be just cosmetic.

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    31. Re: whining by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It is the pressure for always thinner phones. Personally, I don't get it, I would rather a rugged phone than a credit card that breaks on the first use, but there must be some segment of the population that wants a credit card phone that is practically single use.

      For me, with camping and other Boy Scout activities, I would be happier with a more rugged version of the Brigadier with thicker glass. That phone didn't even hold up to my house, let alone camping trips.

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    32. Re:whining by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I would highly recommend the Nexus 5X, it is very fast, rarely do you see the pauses of previous phones I have had, and as a previous poster typed, it got a ifixit score of 7/10:
      https://tech.slashdot.org/comm...

      I have had no issues with mine, I kind of miss wireless charging, but it charges so fast, you really don't need it. My son however broke the glass top layer on his within the first month...so your milage will vary.

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    33. Re:whining by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Frankly, it is much easier to carry one of those antistatic bags and throw the phone in there if you really don't want GPS and 4G to work.

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    34. Re:whining by sjames · · Score: 1

      Given how hard it is to get things where the designer shows no sign of brain damage, perhaps. But in a world that puts function over form, it's always easier to have a solution on hand that requires no extra parts.

      But the bag won't help you if your phone locks up (rare but not unknown).

    35. Re:whining by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      There are key combinations to deal with a phone lockup (power and volume down held, or something like that depending on manufacturer). However, I do understand the point, as there is the issue of water damage too. If you can pull the battery and let the phone dry, it is more likely to have no damage than it you can't pull the battery.

      I was just offering a better solution for the paranoid who are afraid of being tracked. The antistatic bag doesn't care if the manufacturer hid a small battery in the phone to run the GPS when the main battery is pulled, and should always work. If you are really afraid of being tracked, you can't just rely on pulling the battery. But then you also can't drive your car, or wear your shoes. Anything could contain a tracking device nowadays.

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    36. Re:whining by sjames · · Score: 1

      Actually, the key combinations depend on the phone not being totally locked up. If it is locked up, there is nothing detecting the key presses. The key combos are just for cases where the touchscreen loses it's mind. The one thing that cannot fail is removing power.

      The truly paranoid will want to remove the battery and put the phone in a shielded bag. However, most will recognize that the manufacturer is unlikely to have spent extra money hiding a secondary battery inside, especially without bullet pointing it as a must have feature.

    37. Re:whining by lsatenstein · · Score: 1

      Needing to swap in a second battery in the middle of the day isn't the issue. The problem is that batteries lose their capacity after a year or two. Being able to swap in a new battery and have the same battery life from when you first got the phone can put off that upgrade for another year or two. I can see why manufacturers don't want user replaceable batteries though.

      Do they still manufacture that model of battery?

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    38. Re: whining by adolf · · Score: 1

      It sells.

      Same as shiny screens on laptops, which all of them in the store have, and almost none of them do if bought from the usual sources online.

      And yes, it's BS. Meh.

  11. open source baseband? by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

    one thing i would really like is if Google/Alphabet made their own open source baseband processor because that's the one part of the phone that is the most insecure because it runs completely independently of the operating system, is 100% closed source, has access to the memory bus of most smartphones and full access to your SIM card. simply put, it's a backdoor to your system that is protected by a black box.

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    1. Re:open source baseband? by dreamchaser · · Score: 1

      I doubt the FCC will ever allow open baseband processors. How would the Government be able to put in backdoors otherwise?

  12. I'm Confused by comhcoinc · · Score: 0

    If Google is about to start making Google branded phones, what is the couple year old Nexus 5 thing in my pocket? Am I a time traveler?

    1. Re:I'm Confused by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's an LG phone made according to Google's specs. It's right up there in TFS.

    2. Re:I'm Confused by comhcoinc · · Score: 1

      My point being this doesn't seem like a big deal at all to me. Also I may be a time traveler

    3. Re:I'm Confused by ZipK · · Score: 1

      If Google is about to start making Google branded phones, what is the couple year old Nexus 5 thing in my pocket?

      It's a phone manufactured by LG.

    4. Re:I'm Confused by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that one is LG, but what about the Moto X that was manufactured by Google in Texas?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  13. Finally by hyperar · · Score: 1

    They took the first step to end one of the two main problem Android has, poor quality phones with bloated bullshit. I just switched to iPhone two weeks ago sick and tired of waiting for LG to update my phone as they did on other parts of the world. Now they need to enforce strong patterns into app devs and then you'll have a decent competitor. All this won't be needed if manufacturers would spend half the time they spend building unnecessary bloated and unstable UIs porting and releasing updates

    1. Re:Finally by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Nexus phones get 2+ years of monthly security updates, with zero bloatware.

    2. Re:Finally by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nexus phones get 2+ years of monthly security updates, with zero bloatware.

      Yeah, and they are taking it to the next level.

  14. Re: You must have GPS and Data enabled at all time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Citation needed.

    Or did I hear a whoosh? I am not sure these days.

  15. MISUSE OF THE WORD WARS AGAIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think you know what wars are?

    https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/03/06/1834211/eric-schmidt-gets-a-job-at-the-pentagon

    1. Re:MISUSE OF THE WORD WARS AGAIN by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You think you know what wars are?

      https://news.slashdot.org/story/16/03/06/1834211/eric-schmidt-gets-a-job-at-the-pentagon

      The Internet is not being tracked for citizen safety. Phones are not tapped and tracked for citizen safety. Facebook doesn't share your info with government agencies for your safety.

      propaganda wars beget wars. keep up the inflammatory summaries for your page hits.

  16. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's one way to drive adoption rates of updates to your OS up. Assuming they can wrest control away from the carriers, that is. Hate Apple and Steve Jobs all you want - that's the one thing they got right with their phone.

  17. Do we need an other phone? by jellomizer · · Score: 0

    Not to sound like an Apple Fan Boy. But nearly all of the Phones out today are based on the iPhone design.
    Square box, mostly all touch screen. All in all rather boring today. If Google is getting back into the handset market again, they better come up with something ground breaking like Apple Did when they released the iPhone, otherwise Google will just be competing against its other Android Market Phones.
    At this point, where most people who have phones already do. If they had Apple they will stick with Apple, if they had Android they will stick with Android.

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    1. Re:Do we need an other phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love something no one else is making: a phone with a hardware keyboard and a microSD card slot, with the ability to mount the phone or the card on your computer (for real, not the stupid mtp crap). I would pay real money for that, but I don't think anyone else would.

    2. Re: Do we need an other phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. That sucks. I vote for 3d display, improved voice input and labor saving tentacles.

  18. Cyanogen phones. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry, I don't want any more of Google's crapware on top of the phone, I'll be getting either the Wileyfox Storm https://www.wileyfox.com/storm/ or the YU Yutopia http://www.yuplaygod.com/product/yutopia/index.html which come preinstalled with Cyanogen from the factory.

  19. Predictable response to legal challenges by Bearhouse · · Score: 1

    Since they've (probably quite rightly) been attacked for "forcing" OEMs to install Google play etc. if they want Android.
    Easy fix; make your own 'phones...

  20. "built from scratch by google" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    and apple makes their own products, too. i don't think so. foxconn or someone will make them, just as they do i-whatevers for apple. all this means is google will keep full control over specs and software instead of letting manufacturers have at least a little flexibility (e.g. nexus).

  21. Then for that ONE time... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ....you need a battery replaced just take it to a tech and pay the $15. In the meantime enjoy a phone that uses the space that would have been wasted with engineering to facilitate swapping.

  22. $300 to swap a battery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You sir, are a moron if you pay that much. Just to to your local Mobile RX and pay $15

    1. Re:$300 to swap a battery? by Zalbik · · Score: 1

      Ok, maybe not $300, but a few years ago a buddy of mine went to a local repair shop to try and get his HTC One battery replaced. They charged him $180, including the battery cost.

      The reason?
      http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/120261-htc-one-teardown-and-repairability

    2. Re:$300 to swap a battery? by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      So go to iFixIt before buying a phone?

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  23. How do you get any tighter? by SB5407 · · Score: 1

    How does Google get any deeper, tighter, more control than they have already with their Nexus phones? What will they do in house then that they don't do now?

  24. Ma Bell Treatment by nuckfuts · · Score: 1

    Google already has a near-monopoly on search, a browser that gets bundled and installed all over the place, an smartphone OS, a widely-used map service, etc. The privacy / surveillance implications of what Google can do is staggering.

    When is Google going to get the Ma Bell treatment?

  25. Customer service . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google will have to involve heavily in creating an entire infrastructure for dealing directly with customers needing service for their purchases. Which now barely exists.

  26. Just a warning... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Make sure it is a compatible 4G protocol.

    As I understand it, both AT&T and T-Mobile are dropping 2G GSM at the end of this year, and T-Mobile is also dropping a number of their 3G services to clear up bandwidth for the 4.5/5G stuff.

    Why do I mention this? Because like AMPS a lot of our phones may be going away. Additionally it helps make it easier to ensure those 4th amendment violations the FBI/NSA/etc are planning are easy to pull off. It's not like you see manufacturers providing phones with physically or logically seperated baseband modems anymore, and they almost all have ring 0 security access.

  27. Hahaha. Oh, they're serious? by piojo · · Score: 1

    My Nexus 4 was the worst phone I've ever had. The phone ran blisteringly hot and was so poorly sealed that it corroded its own power button due to sweat and humidity. 3G would stop working for 30 seconds at a time. It perfectly covered up its own speaker when sitting on a flat surface, so sounds were muted. It was smooth enough to slip off of nearly any surface.

    Now the same company that was in charge of the specifications wants to be in charge of everything? Shoot me now!

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  28. Re:Another Reason by Coren22 · · Score: 1

    My guess is he works for another manufacturer and sees this competition as unfair.

    I remember a while back being at a beverage industry conference, and hearing some guy saying he was going to drop his Costco membership because they were trying to become a "distributor" to get around the distributor lock-in of the various beer and soft drink companies. I thought this was a rather odd position as all they are trying to do is reduce costs to lower prices for consumers, then one of my coworkers reminded me that the guy worked for the distributors, and that is why his position was what it was.

    This AC comment sounds almost exactly the same to me. How dare Google try to improve the user experience and sell phones directly, this will kill my industry that has been raping the consumer for years!

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