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Microsoft To Make Saying No To Windows 10 Update Easier (zdnet.com)

Less than a week after a California-based woman won $10,000 lawsuit against Microsoft over Windows 10 upgrades, the Redmond-based company has announced it will make it easier for users to say no to Windows 10 updates. The company plans to change the Windows 10 update prompt to make it clearer and easier for Windows 7 and Windows 8.x users to schedule or reject upgrading to Windows 10. ZDNet reports:Microsoft officials said late on June 27 that the new update experience -- with clearer "upgrade now, schedule a time, or decline the free offer" -- will start rolling out this week. Microsoft also will revert to making clicking on the Red X at the corner of the Windows 10 update box dismiss the update, rather than initiate it, as it has done for the past several weeks. Microsoft officials said they are making the change "in response to customer feedback."

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  1. Too little too late by LichtSpektren · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have no doubt that this was all planned by Microsoft. Perhaps they didn't anticipate the backlash, but making it easier to deny the update without manually removing KB3035583 or installing a third-party program (GWX Control Panel, Never10, etc.) in the eleventh hour is too little, too late. There's only another month of the "free" "upgrade", so who's left to take it? The people who intentionally waited for the last possible moment in order to get the most stable upgrade, but they've already decided to go to Windows 10 anyway.

    In other words, the damage is already done. Now's the time to cry for your government to begin imposing criminal penalties to Microsoft and cancel their contracts with them, or MSFT will get away with it.

    1. Re:Too little too late by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Now's the time to cry for your government to begin imposing criminal penalties to Microsoft...

      Unless they can revoke their corporate charter there are no penalties that can harm Microsoft. And canceling the contracts and switching systems will be very expensive, but they should not be included in any future contracts.

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    2. Re:Too little too late by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      Now's the time to cry for your government to begin imposing criminal penalties to Microsoft...

      Unless they can revoke their corporate charter there are no penalties that can harm Microsoft. And canceling the contracts and switching systems will be very expensive, but they should not be included in any future contracts.

      I disagree. Treat all those computers that were auto-"upgraded" to Windows 10 as if they were hit with ransomware or otherwise intentionally broken by Microsoft.

    3. Re:Too little too late by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      The government didnt punish them after they were CONVICTED of being an abusive monopolist, what do you think they are going to do to a non-monopoly MS?

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    4. Re:Too little too late by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      To late??

      So what happens if the update auto runs after the free time is over so your new windows 10 will not pass activation but you don't get any info about that till after 30 when it is too late for you to roll back what will happen then?

    5. Re:Too little too late by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Well, if MS started using their in-depth spyware to expose criminal activity on the part of politicians, the government would conduct armed raids of the offices and homes of non-monopoly MS' officers.

      So long as the spying is only used to increase the wealth and power of the aristocracy, the government won't do anything.

    6. Re:Too little too late by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Okay, and then what?

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    7. Re:Too little too late by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

      Treat all those computers that were auto-"upgraded" to Windows 10 as if they were hit with ransomware or otherwise intentionally broken by Microsoft.

      Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that your made-up analogies would ever have any legal bearing.

      Treat all those drivers who speed as if it were attempted vehicular homicide. Treat all those Linux distributions as if they stole code from UNIX.

      Forcefully altering somebody's OS in order to integrate spyware is illegal. For the people that paid for Windows 7 and 8 and had their computers broken during the forced upgrade, Microsoft actually did break their computers. It's not as far off as your two analogies.

    8. Re:Too little too late by LichtSpektren · · Score: 2

      Okay, and then what?

      Then reimburse all of those people of the cost to reinstall Windows 7 or 8.1, or the whole cost of the computer itself.

    9. Re:Too little too late by Z00L00K · · Score: 3, Informative

      The trust is already broken, and I have disabled Windows Updates now.

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    10. Re:Too little too late by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they didn't anticipate the backlash...

      Right now a Dota 2 tournament is on hold because a Windows 10 update started in the middle of it.

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    11. Re:Too little too late by macs4all · · Score: 1, Informative

      Anyone have any advice on the best way to rollout OS X to 1,500 Dell OptiPlex computers?

      Quite simple, actually.

      1. Fill out Purchase Requisition for 1,500 Mac mini computers. You should be able to use the bottom of the line version, but I would suggest the BTO RAM upgrade option to 8 GB, just because. Other than that, if these are being used for typical front-office applications, you should be absolutely fine. Contact Apple for a Governmental and Large-Purchase Discount.

      2. Fill out Purchase Requisition for a volume license for Microsoft Office for Mac. Again, Microsoft is likely to give you a large-purchase Discount. And you will likely be able to install Office from a single Server-based copy.

      3. When the hardware and software comes in, take the Dell computers' Hard Drives out and recycle the now-useless carcasses of the Optiplex computers. But don't forget to retain the Monitors, Mice (ewww! Dell mice!) and Keyboards (ewww! Dell keyboards!) for use with the newly-purchased Mac Minis.

      4. Unbox and setup the Mac minis, using the existing Monitors, mice and keyboards; setup to join your Domain, then install MS Office. ProTip: If your setups are similar, you can even set your Macs up to NetBoot from a single image. But most non-educational users find that approach a little too restrictive for individual users.

      With 1500 machines, I would DEFINITELY put in a Requisition for a copy of the most-excellent Apple Remote Desktop's Admin Console (the "server" side is built into OS X/macOS). It is QUITE nice for managing a googolplex of Macs (and it reportedly can do limited Windows and Linux admin. tasks, too).

      5. You're done.

    12. Re: Too little too late by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Words are important when talking about legal action.

      What you just said is different, that they broke stuff. I'm not debating that, negligence doesn't get them off the hook. But you originally said "ransomware" (which is not at all related to the issue) and "intentionally broken" (which is specifically different from just "broken") and thus you were very much mischaracterizing the situation.

      So no, they shouldn't just act like those are the same, because they are very different.

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    13. Re:Too little too late by rtconner · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep. I'm a life long Windows user. But I'm in the process to transitioning to a mix of Mac and Ubuntu as my OS's. I can't trust Windows anymore, so I guess I won't use it.

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    14. Re:Too little too late by thegarbz · · Score: 4, Informative

      There's only another month of the "free" "upgrade", so who's left to take it?

      I'll bet you a marsbar that the free offer extends beyond the coming month.

    15. Re:Too little too late by Nethead · · Score: 1

      Submit a ticket to Dell to have that added to KACE.

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    16. Re:Too little too late by macs4all · · Score: 1

      Why is this informative? It straight up doesn't answer the question since it doesn't roll out OS X to ANY Dell OptiPlex computers. Or am I missing a joke? It's really hard to tell unbridled fanboy idiocy from sarcasm nowadays.

      It IS informative and is NOT a joke; because it adroitly sidesteps the weak sarcasm in the original "request" by actually outlining the top-level steps necessary to switch from being a Windows-based office to a Mac-based one.

    17. Re:Too little too late by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      There's an answer right here... http://www.movetoamend.org/
      Take away their grossly overdone influence on legislation/politics and they may decide to play nice with consumers again. As is, they could give a flip about our problems, there is no down-side to abusing their $ enabled power.

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    18. Re:Too little too late by PsychoSlashDot · · Score: 1

      It IS informative and is NOT a joke; because it adroitly sidesteps the weak sarcasm in the original "request" by actually outlining the top-level steps necessary to switch from being a Windows-based office to a Mac-based one.

      Come on. If it was informative, it wouldn't be missing:

      2.5 Read your your e-mails wherein your Purchase Requisitions were denied.

      2.6 Goto 5.

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    19. Re:Too little too late by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's all pointless. Who at this moment has not yet heard of the Windows 10 update availability? Are they concerned that someone somewhere hasn't heard about this and so they're intent on pissing everyone off just to reach this one person? Everyone has already either upgraded, ignored the upgrades, or taken active steps block the updates that trick you into upgrading. Why the hell are they still at this? The answer is NO, they gotta LET IT GO!

    20. Re:Too little too late by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Microsoft loves screwing up the OSX versions of Office. If you think Office sucks on Windows then you don't want to see how bad it is on Mac. Seriously get OpenOffice, LibreOffice, or anything else.

    21. Re:Too little too late by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Probably true. I suspect you're not able to get the free offer now but use it later. You can get the ISOs for it for archiving (I have them), but once you install it's going to ask for your authorization code. You can't even get that auth code until after you install it. So if you want to take advantage of the free offer today but then install it next year when it's not so hectic then you're out of luck. This is not like the old Windows where you get a DVD and a printed auth code.

      I tried it out in a VM, but without the authorization code it's stuck in a "trial" mode where I can't change the UI and other personalization. So it's stuck with the uglified new start menu (ads and all). But I don't want to waste my one-time-only upgrade from "Pro" edition. Applying for the authorization code is done from within Windows and I assume it would be applied to the VM image only and so if I upgrade again on my real computer it would likely complain that I already used up my upgrade. So doing a "test drive" here is difficult, unless you upgrade your computer and later rollback, but that's not completely safe and is very time consuming if it screws up.

    22. Re: Too little too late by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      Completely agree. I tried the upgrade for kicks on my Windows partition. It failed, no way back. I had to dig out my Win 7 disc and do a fresh install. After all their advertising how great it was, left me without a working PC. Had I not been a computer guy, it would cost $ to reinstall the os by a professional. Then reinstall all my games. Windows is only used for gaming , other 95% of the time Debian.

    23. Re: Too little too late by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your point, but my comments on this article are not a legal filing. I was merely saying in what fashion the government could strike back at Microsoft; approach the matter as if Microsoft had attacked those computers with ransomware. Because it's not that far off from the truth.

    24. Re:Too little too late by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I would not bet against that.
      Also it already is extended with a loophole.

    25. Re: Too little too late by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Any such action by government would be subject to court, where a legal case must be presented. Your argument is legally flawed, therefore fundamentally invalid as government action.

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    26. Re:Too little too late by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      Never10 seems to be working fine for me.

      Info about it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

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  2. Decline by sinij · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >>>"upgrade now, schedule a time, or decline the free offer"

    Based on past performance, clicking decline the free offer would lead to Win10 update and the bill in the mail.

  3. Only LUDDITES refuse Appdows 10! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Modern app appers know that ONLY apps can app apps, and Appdows 10 is the appiest apperating app available! Only LUDDITES would refuse to app Appdows 10!

    Apps!

    1. Re: Only LUDDITES refuse Appdows 10! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Finally, the app guy starts making some sense.

    2. Re: Only LUDDITES refuse Appdows 10! by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      It's like that scene in Mars Attacks. "App app app, we are your friends, app app app."

  4. Microsoft has no choice now by sshir · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Basically, everybody and their dog, who heard about that woman's court case, will rush to enable recommended updates in order to screw up their system and go claim their $10000.

    1. Re:Microsoft has no choice now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You have to demonstrate $10,000 in losses. "everybody and their dog" does not run a business on a Win7 machine that got auto-upgraded, and then broke.

    2. Re:Microsoft has no choice now by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why was this modded insightful? The woman didn't get a windfall. She didn't get massive punitive damages. She got covered for actual damages and had to take her case through the courts and even into an appeal.

      Anyone stupid enough to think this is a financially sound deal and voluntarily entering into it (which would make them pretty much instantly lose their case) won't be laughing to the bank but rather crying into their lawyer's invoice.

    3. Re:Microsoft has no choice now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      now there is a precedent so next person wouldn't need to go though and the class action lawsuit can go ahead.
      fuck MS

    4. Re:Microsoft has no choice now by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There's a non-binding precedent that Microsoft is liable for harm caused by such OS changes. There's no precedent whatsoever that says that it causes harm in all cases.

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  5. risk assessment by Lead+Butthead · · Score: 2

    I am sure legal risk assessment was done before their sordid attempts to force themsel... win10 on all existing windows installations, and it was deem to be acceptable by the management of highest level.

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    1. Re: risk assessment by thundercattt · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      I was thinking the same thing. Most Yank corporations seem to force things until they lose in court. Then they follow the rules. If it only costs them 10k (assuming nobody follows suit), that's a good gamble on their part.

    2. Re:risk assessment by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I am sure legal risk assessment was done before their sordid attempts to force themsel... win10 on all existing windows installations

      If an assessment was done, they ignored it.

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    3. Re:risk assessment by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Or they accurately concluded this was exactly as much as they could get away with. $10k to Microsoft is barely worth noting.

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    4. Re:risk assessment by dbIII · · Score: 1

      See Volkswagen (and GM before them) for another example of taking a gamble that the gains would be greater than possible punishment.

    5. Re: risk assessment by Darinbob · · Score: 3, Insightful

      CEO: So what's the worst thing that can happen with this plan?
      Marketing: The entire world will hate us.
      CEO: But the entire world already hates us.
      Marketing: That's the beauty of it, there's nothing left to lose.
      CEO: Ok, let's pass it by legal.
      Legal: We're lawyers, the entire world hates us too. I say screw em!

    6. Re:risk assessment by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      People keep saying that the precedent is non-binding so they haven't really opened themselves up to lawsuits yet.

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  6. Timing by dan_waggoner · · Score: 4, Informative

    They could have done this months ago and not taken a single bit of negative PR.

    1. Re:Timing by zlives · · Score: 1

      all publicity is good marketing... said some marketing guy

  7. How to fix for good: by DogDude · · Score: 4, Informative


    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx] "DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate] "DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

    Although granted, one shouldn't have to do this...

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    1. Re:How to fix for good: by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I find it faster to google for Never10 and run it than to launch Regedit and find the keys. (Both do the same thing.)

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    2. Re:How to fix for good: by DogDude · · Score: 1

      Sure, you can just put this into a .REG file:


      Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx] "DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate] "DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

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    3. Re:How to fix for good: by DerpQuake · · Score: 2

      Yes, I've done the same on every system I touch. Too bad it took a lawsuit to get them to understand common sense. I will be so pleased to "decline the free offer". Someday perhaps they will realize that gaining market share for a new product isn't worthwhile if it means alienating your customer base. Windows 10 could have been a reasonable option and worth considering, instead it became something we all had to protect ourselves and our families from being forced into without informed consent. It was a bad call and it set a bad precedent for how MS will treat it's customer's digital sovereignty over their own computers and purchased software.

    4. Re:How to fix for good: by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Yea, you should obviously have to say the magic dword if you want your OS to not be completely replaced while you sleep.

      Linux now, man. It's time.

    5. Re:How to fix for good: by cfalcon · · Score: 2

      https://www.reddit.com/r/pcmas...

      No, you need to remove kbs and services.

    6. Re:How to fix for good: by Chromium_One · · Score: 1
      How about when Windows Update helpfully reverted this change for you?

      http://www.infoworld.com/artic...

      How about when Windows Update helpfully started the upgrade process on domain-joined systems, despite MS claiming it wouldn't?

      (take your pick on links) https://duckduckgo.com/?q=wind...

      MS keeps demonstrating that they can't be trusted, and I for one am tired of having an adversarial relationship with them.

      I'm done, they can go fuck themselves.

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  8. Re:Argh, FU MS by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    but a simple LAN card swap (to play nice with a hackintosh install) triggered the whole authentication process with piracy accusations

    Assuming you had a free slot, you could have simply added the new LAN card and not used (and/or disabled) the old one. I have a system with a 10Mbit NIC on the motherboard and added a 1Gbit card w/o any authentication issues. I have still used the original NIC to configure my WiFi AP as it came with a default IP on a different subnet.

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  9. "Customer feedback"? by grasshoppa · · Score: 1

    Does anyone really feel like they need "Customer Feedback" to understand that deceptive practices are something customers don't want?

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    1. Re:"Customer feedback"? by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Does anyone really feel like they need "Customer Feedback" to understand that deceptive practices are something customers don't want?

      Yes. Marketroids.

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    2. Re:"Customer feedback"? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      "We are making the change in response to customer feedback, not in response to common sense or the past 25 years of Microsoft UI design."

      DUH!

    3. Re:"Customer feedback"? by plover · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "We are making the change in response to customer feedback"

      s/customer/litigious bastards/

      Funny how there's only one kind of feedback that they actually respond to.

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    4. Re:"Customer feedback"? by Livius · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Microsoft has very little insight into what customers want.

    5. Re:"Customer feedback"? by nukenerd · · Score: 1

      FTFA :-

      Microsoft officials said they are making the change "in response to customer feedback.

      New keyboard when I read that part. Microsoft's term for being sued is "Customer feedback"

  10. Timing! by thevirtualcat · · Score: 1

    I'm sure their management will deny up and down that this had anything to do with the case they just lost and that the timing is "purely coincidental."

    But I suspect that their legal department emailed someone in management an Excel spreadsheet detailing the costs of losing that case and how much it would cost to defend similar cases now that there is precedent. The manager probably multiplied that number by some number that may or may not reflect the actual number of users with similar claims and said "Shit, that's actually a lot of money. Maybe we should stop."

    Still doesn't change the fact that they spent the last 11 months gleefully burning the modicum of trust in Windows Update they had had managed to build up over the last few years.

  11. surprise buttseks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    MS- bend down now, bend down in a few seconds, or decline to receive anally this free cock
    U- GO AWAY (click X)
    MS- excellent choice! forceful insertion of cock now in progress

    1. Re:surprise buttseks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 does come with a 3D printer app, so the customer can indeed print his or her favourite cock or butt plug models. This way at least some of the customers end up happy and don't vote for #win10exit.

  12. Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by jdagius · · Score: 4, Informative

    There are two Boolean flag vars in the Registry which turn off the automatic update and free-offer notifications. Using the builtin registry editor ("regedit") drill down to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows] and look for key entries 'WindowsUpdate' and 'GWX'. If they're not present then use the editor to create new key names WindowsUpdate and GWX in the Windows key list.

    Then to disable auto-update add a dword named DisableOSUpgrade under WindowsUpdate and set it to 1 (true)
    "DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

    To disable the freeWin10 upgrade offer notification add a dword named DisableGWX under GWX and set it to 1 (true)
    [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
    "DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

    That's it. Now you can turn the automatic Windows-update back and not worry about Win10 being installed. Also you won't be nagged about the free Win10 offer.

    1. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      There are two Boolean flag vars in the Registry which turn off the automatic update and free-offer notifications. Using the builtin registry editor ("regedit") drill down to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows] and look for key entries 'WindowsUpdate' and 'GWX'. If they're not present then use the editor to create new key names WindowsUpdate and GWX in the Windows key list.

      Then to disable auto-update add a dword named DisableOSUpgrade under WindowsUpdate and set it to 1 (true)
      "DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

      To disable the freeWin10 upgrade offer notification add a dword named DisableGWX under GWX and set it to 1 (true)
      [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX]
      "DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

      That's it. Now you can turn the automatic Windows-update back and not worry about Win10 being installed. Also you won't be nagged about the free Win10 offer.

      Tell you what. Talk a your average user through that process, including the editing, without doing it remotely for them and then we'll talk.
      By the way, the average user I'm talking about is the same one that's claimed to not be able to use Linux on a daily basis, who has trouble knowing what a browser is and when asked to click on "my computer" thinks you mean your actual computer.

    2. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

      I've had multiple machines with those registry keys set for at least 6 months, none of them have shown any sign of a Windows 10 upgrade since.

      It's tried, it's tested, it's permanent.

    3. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

      It does nothing about that. No one ever claimed it did.

    4. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      mebbe if your mother-in-law isn't savvy enough to HACK THE GIBSON and build her own lightsaber she would be better off APPING APPS on an APPPAD.
      This also solves the problem of finding a birthday present one year out of three.

    5. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by cfalcon · · Score: 1, Funny

      > two Boolean flag vars in the Registry
      > drill down to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows]
      > not present then use the editor to create new key names
      > add a dword named DisableGWX under GWX and set it to 1 (true)
      > That's it.

      Oh, that's it? Well, I see why people use windows. You only have to use a proprietary binary editing tool, move to an address with a hugely named space, instantiate and name correctly a 32 bit binary number, set it to the correct value, and do it all again.

      Super easy! I mean, in Linux, you sometimes have to type a thing on a command line. Whoa, nerdy-mcnerd face! I'm much more comfortable with fucking Gate's dword editor.

    6. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by cfalcon · · Score: 1

      Be sure to specify her number as a signed DWORD value on architecture with two byte words, or OP might get confused.

    7. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      I sure hope you do not do QA for any company, and if you are a programmer this speaks volumes about your inability to understand bounds checking. It implies an inability to perform root cause analysis and utter failure at applying the scientific method. Determining that six months on "multiple machines" without change is "permanent" because you've "tested" it. Wow. Just wow.

      I hate to post this anonymously but I'd rather not undo moderation. Oh well.

      I work for a major software company and can back him up. We have 110k Windows 7 machines and a few hundred Windows 8 installs. We pushed the GWX change to every single workstation within a week of the "Upgrade button" showing up back in July. It hasn't come back yet. So the people who this is happening to either did it incorrectly or performed a Windows update and installed recommended updates (not critical) without reading what they were doing.

    8. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by Tharkkun · · Score: 1

      There are two Boolean flag vars in the Registry which turn off the automatic update and free-offer notifications. Using the builtin registry editor ("regedit") drill down to [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows] and look for key entries 'WindowsUpdate' and 'GWX'. If they're not present then use the editor to create new key names WindowsUpdate and GWX in the Windows key list.

      Then to disable auto-update add a dword named DisableOSUpgrade under WindowsUpdate and set it to 1 (true) "DisableOSUpgrade"=dword:00000001

      To disable the freeWin10 upgrade offer notification add a dword named DisableGWX under GWX and set it to 1 (true) [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\GWX] "DisableGWX"=dword:00000001

      That's it. Now you can turn the automatic Windows-update back and not worry about Win10 being installed. Also you won't be nagged about the free Win10 offer.

      Tell you what. Talk a your average user through that process, including the editing, without doing it remotely for them and then we'll talk. By the way, the average user I'm talking about is the same one that's claimed to not be able to use Linux on a daily basis, who has trouble knowing what a browser is and when asked to click on "my computer" thinks you mean your actual computer.

      It's really tough. You can download the change in a single file that imports the registry change. Double click, click yes and reboot.

    9. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by richy+freeway · · Score: 1

      No I don't and no I'm not, but what's that got to do with anything?

      The only method I've applied is setting those keys on any machine a customer doesn't want the Windows 10 upgrade happening on.

      I couldn't tell you if it's 100 machines or 1000 machines, all I know is no one has ever come back and complained it didn't work.

      Apologies if that's not scientific enough for you, I'll try not to bring anything anecdotal to the discussion ever again.

    10. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      The majority of "average users" won't care, and frankly they're going to be better served by being on the latest OS with security updates and support for many more years. Getting the masses upgraded is a huge positive and will actually save people money by helping older hardware continue to be useful for a longer time.

      If options are buried in the registry, so be it. I totally agree with the philosophy of making dangerous options difficult to change.

      However, I still do not agree with any tactics that are intended to confuse the user or override choices that the user explicitly made. I know what I'm doing, damn it; let me do with my device as I wish.

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    11. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      You'll still get the spyware though. Automatic windows update is always a bad idea. Inspect each one before manually applying.

    12. Re:Simple fix. No 3rd party required. by houghi · · Score: 1

      Can I give you the number of my grandmother and her friends and could you explain it to them?

      Yesterday they knew almost how to not go via Google to go to a website. Only took me 40 minutes to explain where to type the address.
      Why almost? She was tired and it was tea time in the home she is and if you is not in time, that bitch from next door will take the nice cookies.

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  13. If you didn't know about Microsoft a long time ago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You are probably already hosed.

    This site had the old school way to block it all if you did the other manual steps using the hosts file.
    https://github.com/WindowsLies/BlockWindows/

    A slashdot commenter had made a video of "wiresharking" his Windows 10 and posted it on YouTube. For those unfamiliar it is a packet sniffer and detects and displays the nature of each incoming and outgoing network packet. By nature I mean IP address, protocol as in TCP, UDP, RDP, etc name it.

    That video was pulled from YouTube nearly immediately, and obviously there was no moral reason to pull a video showing how your OS connects to Microsoft and Markmonitor servers. (among other tracking hosts)

    Then there were many articles and they are still around about how to do it manually, and even grc.com has a small portable app called Never10 that is reckoned to block installing Windows 10 over 7/8/8.1 etc.

    The problem and pertinent factors are thus. They snuck new server lists in other "security updates" and never disclosed the change. I haven't checked recently but there was a period (maybe still is) that Microsoft decided to not disclose what is actually in their so-called security updates.

    What I mean by problem AND pertinent factor is why they even force spyware on you at all. Bill doesn't need the money and it is not for anybody's protection that they track everything you do on your PC. The lies are asinine. The deceit shameful. The employees and Bill himself are forced by the US spy agencies to incorporate every possible tracking you can imagine. This is the same with Google and Facebook and others. The higher the traffic, the higher the priority to force tracking on you. Slashdot connects to myriad CA Cert servers that change on a daily basis it seems. Sometimes more than once a day.

    You should use NoScript (and remove the XSS default-to-allow permissions under advanced, and uncheck all boxes on the ABE tab). You should also use Adblock Plus or similar. Ghostery is no good any more because it's settings rely on remote server to change and it chats with it. BetterPrivacy for flash cookies is the 4th I would recommend to run on Firefox.

    Now this is important. Spy agencies and Google (gstatic, google-analytics, etc) track you all over the Internet and yes it is cross-reference-able. From your porn likes to your Facebook profile to your bank account to your SMS log on your cell phone to your shopping history at Walmart if you use a card. By face recognition too if you already have their special attention. It is accessible by any US government spy agency at will in the name of "security" but like Microsoft, it is the same lie.

    They know all about browser parameters and whatnot but blocking works. THIS IS THE BIG TIP OF THE DAY.

    Ready? Set your PC time to an inaccurate time. Change time zones. Make it as screwy as possible unless you need to sync implicitly for something. They rely on time logging and IP addresses as a failsafe tracking mechanism. This totally messes up their monitoring ability. Better than that is to use Tor, but you will notice you bump into Google captcha after Google captcha. I don't intend this to be a long tutorial but just set a wrist watch or your phone next to your monitor and keep your clock on your laptop/desktop coming from Liberia or whatever. That little clock is a itsy bitsy little teeny weeny convenience for you.. and night/day for the monitoring ability of US spy agencies.

    Also, your data is shared internationally especially Facebook profiling because the FBI has an unconscionable amount of moles.

  14. Pure Malware by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 1

    Microsoft also will revert to making clicking on the Red X at the corner of the Windows 10 update box dismiss the update, rather than initiate it, as it has done for the past several weeks.

    Nothing more, nothing less...

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  15. Translation: by kheldan · · Score: 2

    Microsoft Gives End-Users A Real Way Out Of Windows 10 Upgrade Because They Don't Want To Get Sued More

    Now that there's legal precedent, the floodgates of legal action against Microsoft can now open, and they damned well know it.

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    1. Re:Translation: by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      What flood gates? The actual number of users who would be able to show in a court of law actual damages sustained as a result of a windows update completely borking a computer would be puny. There wasn't any massive legal windfall here, no major awards of punitive damages. Anyone thinking this makes sound financial sense when their computer didn't royally get screwed and their business didn't shut down as a result deserves the bill they get from their lawyer after losing their case.

    2. Re:Translation: by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      No precedent. They dropped the appeal and paid her to avoid setting one.

    3. Re:Translation: by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

      Genuine question from someone not living in the US:

      If there was a court decision in the first instance and an aborted appeal, does that mean
      -the decision from the first instance stands, creating a precedent
      -or is the decision from the first instance somehow nullified?

      Any lawyers willing to answer?

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    4. Re:Translation: by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There is, as far as I know, no class action lawsuit. This means that everyone who actually kept the receipt has to individually sue Microsoft. Even in small claims court, it's probably not financially advantageous.

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    5. Re:Translation: by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Dropping the appeal means that Microsoft lost in court and decided not to lose in a higher court. The original decision is a precedent, although a non-binding one. (Note: I am a pseudonymous guy on Slashdot who has never studied law.)

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  16. Re:Argh, FU MS by mschwanke97402 · · Score: 1

    Various commentards on other sites have suggested to me that I should suck it up and just update to Windows 10 already because everyone is going to have to sooner or later...

    Meanwhile I have moved to a Mac at home. At work I'm transitioning to a FreeNAS based file server and will be dumping my Windows server in the near future. The minute I can find a suitable (read as cheap), simple Point-Of-Sale / Jobs Manager for my small computer repair business I will be moving to Mac or Linux on my shop PCs.

    Pardon the language but F**K Microsoft and their brazen, heavy-handed tactics. They've finally proved to me they're just not to be trusted or relied upon.

  17. I may be a conspiracy theorist... by cyberjock1980 · · Score: 2

    Anyone else notice that the "12 month" window to 'upgrade to Windows 10 free' is closing (tomorrow in fact) and so they can now change the behavior and try to act like a poor victim while perhaps posting "1 year adoption rates" much higher than would have been otherwise.

    When this crap started I told myself that this will be "rectified" once they have 1 year of Windows 10 being out. Then they can post "their great numbers" which will, naturally include, a lot of accidental upgrades and other people that didn't even want to upgrade.

    It really sickens me, and is why I'm still on Windows 7, and dual boot with Linux and FreeBSD. Microsoft's behavior is totally unacceptable.

    1. Re:I may be a conspiracy theorist... by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

      The "free upgrade" window closes at the end of July. https://support.microsoft.com/...

    2. Re:I may be a conspiracy theorist... by richy+freeway · · Score: 2

      It's the 29th July that the offer ends, but yes they've left it a bit late.

  18. Re:Handy tool by turbidostato · · Score: 1

    "...Windows 10 install manager, now only available in Windows 10."

    Well, you are not to far away: "Windows 10 install manager, now only available in Windows".

    So far, it's been quite easy for me to avoid it.

  19. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by flyingfsck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you dismiss the alternatives too easily. I haven't used Windows for about 10 years now and I can't say that I miss the malware and high maintenance experience.

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  20. Re:Argh, FU MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...F**K Microsoft and their brazen, heavy-handed tactics. They've finally proved to me they're just not to be trusted or relied upon.

    "Finally"? Really? You must not have been in this business for very long...

  21. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by LichtSpektren · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What level of cognitive dissonance is required to simultaneously assert that GNOME 3 and systemd were "forced" on Linux distros and then immediately talk about why one wouldn't want to use Linux distros that have voluntarily opted to not use systemd?

  22. Re:Argh, FU MS by flyingfsck · · Score: 1
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  23. Re:If you didn't know about Microsoft a long time by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

    Why mention Bill at all? He hasn't been the head of Microsoft for a long, long time.

  24. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by unrtst · · Score: 3, Informative

    Using old, potentially-vulnerable versions of Windows long after they're no longer supported isn't a real option, of course.

    See here: https://support.microsoft.com/...
    Windows 7 end of mainstream support: 2015-01-13 (extended is 2020-01-14)
    Windwos 8 end of mainstream support: 2018-01-09 (extended is 2023-01-10)

    How is that "long after they're no longer supported"?
    And yes, I know 2015 is less than now, but it's not long after, and it's still in extended support. For that matter, vista is still in extended support until Q2 2017!

    I shouldn't be feeding the trolls at all, but continuing to use those *should* be a valid option. That said, I'd still recommend GNU/Linux or MacOSX.

  25. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by LichtSpektren · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem goes far beyond systemd and GNOME. Linux is great for servers, not so much for the desktop. When Linux Torvalds first created Linux it wasn't designed to be a mass-market operating system. It was designed by geeks for geeks. A bunch of fucktarded neckbeards who don't give two shits about usability, only blind adherence to an Orwellian mindset of "the only way to be free is to do exactly what I say."

    Yes, when it was first designed, it was a school hobby project by a kernel hacker. But that was over 20 years ago. And assuredly you're not going to say that anything that begun as a hobby must be a toy for its entire lifespan?

    But you don't need to list all the ways that Linux sucks and is horrendously inferior on the desktop. Just one simple fact says it all. When you put everything on a level playing field -- Linux is free and so is a pirated copy of Windows -- people always choose Windows.

    Really? I didn't choose Windows. Nor did the millions of people that use desktop Linux.
    People only use (and pirate) Windows because billions of dollars of legacy x86 apps that were written when Microsoft had a monopoly on the OS market due to their lucky deal with IBM. Don't believe me?--how much money has Microsoft written off for Windows Mobile and Windows RT, again?

    Even when Windows isn't free (i.e., businesses who need to keep things legal so they don't get shaken down by the BSA Mafia) they still choose Windows. The only place you're seeing any adoption of Linux on the desktop is a few European companies, and that's due to anti-American sentiment more than any technical superiority.

    Instead of verifying that you don't know what you're talking about and/or are lying, why don't you do some simple research? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

  26. is it easier then quitting MS Skype now? by 4wdloop · · Score: 1

    I cant wait for all Windows programs will stop existing and instead go minimize or "better" yet assume 'OK' on any dialog: "format drinve C: Ok Cancel?"

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    1. Re:is it easier then quitting MS Skype now? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Following the windows 10 example it wouldn't be Ok / Cancel. It would be format C:? Now / Later.

      This was the problem, when the dialog initially appeared there were two selections, either of them gave permission to install windows 10. The only way to reject the install was to hit the close X in the upper right (which microsoft later removed). You're arguably trying to deceive users when you give them a choice to install something but both choices are yes.

  27. Nice Try, Assholes by ewhac · · Score: 3, Informative

    I'm still not installing KB3035583.

  28. Re:If you didn't know about Microsoft a long time by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    He is still a majority stockholder, only Ballmer has more. Its still his company whether hes on the board or not..

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  29. In response to customer feedback? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ...Microsoft officials said they are making the change "in response to customer feedback."...

    Oh please. If Microsoft had cared in the slightest bit about customer feedback, they would not have been on the losing side of a lawsuit in the first place.

    .
    Instead, Microsoft lowered itself to using some of the sleaziest tactics a vendor could use. Changing Windows UI guidelines to trick the customer into doing something the customer explicitly did not want to do? It is beyond belief that any vendor, much less a reputable vendor, would resort to such low-life trickery of their customer base.

    imo, Microsoft knew all along exactly what they were doing and the effect it would have. I would be surprised if Microsoft's legal department were not involved at every step of deception.

    In my view, Microsoft blew their reputation. Big time. Blown right out of the water.

    It may take years for Microsoft to regain the confidence and trust of its customers once again. But by then, I have to wonder how many of those customers have moved on to Linux or MacOS. I know I am testing Linux on my notebook now. It is doing all that I need it to do, so much so that I have wondered why I even bothered with Windows in the first place.

  30. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

    If Windows is due to legacy of the 80s and 90s then where's the linux freeware, payware and shareware?
    There's fuck all on that front. 99% is free and open source software. Typically on a system the only linux proprietary software you'll find is Oracle Virtualbox (some of the "extended" features), Google Earth and (few) Steam games. Some crap like Skype for those who want it.

    It's great that way, but I miss the Windows days, with more software and less OS upgrades.

  31. Re:Why only windows 10 by istartedi · · Score: 1

    This. They're killing the "Windows is easier than *NIX" argument. You can trust any free *NIX package manager to only update the packages you need. If you can't, it dies fast and you install one of the many others available.

    The trouble is, since these other "vendors" don't sell software you're subject to the whims of their various other funding sources. It used to be we could bypass all that drama simply by ponying up $$$ for Windows, and now we can't because MS is emulating the worst aspects of those other ecosystems.

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  32. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by macs4all · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yes, when it was first designed, it was a school hobby project by a kernel hacker. But that was over 20 years ago. And assuredly you're not going to say that anything that begun as a hobby must be a toy for its entire lifespan?

    No. With well over a hundred different Distros and more petty squabbling and "religious-war" infighting than the U.S. Republican Party, "Linux" is doing a fine job of that all on its own...

  33. What coincidence! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    A month before ending the "free" offer, they graciously allow us to not update if we so please.

    Microsoft? Hi. Listen, please do us a favor? Go play with something explosive, will ya?

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  34. I know..... feeding the trolls.... by gosand · · Score: 3, Informative

    The only place you're seeing any adoption of Linux on the desktop is a few European companies, and that's due to anti-American sentiment more than any technical superiority.

    Sure, we all know you are trolling. But why not throw in some fun (actual) facts?

    There is a company who uses Linux on their desktops. They are slightly technical, and you may have heard of them - Google.
    And although it was about 4 years ago, there was a nice article about Goobuntu (their modified version of Ubuntu) on ZDNET. Another interesting fact from the article is that they were paying customers for it, and not the largest. Things may have changed since then, I don't know. But I do know that they haven't switched over to Windows.

    What I really don't understand is what you get out of your copy/paste trolling. Or do you really believe what you posted? Either way, you're obviously wrong. But then again, you're posting as an AC, so what else could be expected.

    I remember back in the good old days when trolls at least had a little bit of skill.

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  35. Re:If you didn't know about Microsoft a long time by LVSlushdat · · Score: 2

    I did the "Wireshark" thing a few months ago. Put a remote packet capture daemon on my router, and pointed a copy of Wireshark at it, and watched what a "castrated" install of 10 talked to, and then, as a control, an UNcastrated, default-install of 10, provided by friends.. Bottom line, there was hardly any difference between the two captures... Which tells me one VERY important thing.. All of the cutesy-tootsie toggle switches that make you *think* you're disabling the spyware aspects of 10 are just a smoke-screen... Sooooooooooo very glad I gave up the Windows addiction when I retired in 2010....

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  36. Re:Argh, FU MS by macs4all · · Score: 2

    At work I'm transitioning to a FreeNAS based file server

    Genuinely curious. How does FreeNAS work with OS X? Have you tried it yet?

  37. Wonderful ... by Dishevel · · Score: 1

    How nice of them to do this after the free upgrade period is over.

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  38. License cutoff by phorm · · Score: 1

    Actually, one thing I was wondering is how exactly the licensing works. For what I do use windows for, I'd currently rather stay with Win8. However if there is some need to move to win10, I was thinking of just imaging my OS partition for now, installing, and grabbing the license key for future installs (then restoring the image)

    Anyone know if this should work or would that invalidate my license on the older OS? Having the image will also be nice in case win10 (likely) blows up with my dual-bootloader config etc.

    1. Re:License cutoff by jonwil · · Score: 1

      I haven't tried it yet (will be trying it this week) but this forum post I found on another forum
      https://www.gog.com/forum/gene...
      shows what is claimed to be a way to get the free Windows 10 upgrade without actually needing to install Windows 10 or replace your existing Windows install.

  39. new rule: let us eat cake by epine · · Score: 1

    in response to customer feedback

    ... as filtered through legal counsel.

  40. Re:If you didn't know about Microsoft a long time by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

    Genuine question: Did you also do a Wireshark session on a Win10 machine after running both Spybot Anti-Beacon and O&O ShutUp 10? They appear to do more than the regular placebo that the toggle switches, but I definitely would be interested in whether they cause a reduction in that sort of traffic.

  41. Re:If you didn't know about Microsoft a long time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How the hell does your local time figure into this at all?

    If you're not using javascript, the server can't get your local time. Last I checked, no timestamps are sent over HTTP GET/POST requests.

    And the server has it's own timestamps for everything, so the fact that your IP is logged at a certain time is inescapable.

  42. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by Lonewolf666 · · Score: 1

    For the potentially-vulnerable aspect extended support is sufficient. Extended support means that the OS still gets security patches, just no more functional updates.

    For drivers it depends on the hardware vendors, some stop making drivers for old operating systems before those reach their end of extended support. Case in point:
    The PC I built in 2007, with a then fairly new Nvidia GeForce 8600 GT. Windows 2000 was still in extended support, but Nvidia did not make any more drivers for Windows 2000. I ended up switching to XP because of that, otherwise I'd have kept Windows 2000 for a few more years.

    BTW, the other way round (old hardware on new OSes) Nvidia are fairly good at long term support. Support for the 8600 GT lasted almost nine years after release. The final driver is version 341.95 from March 2016, supports Windows 10 and is still available for download.

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  43. Re:Why only windows 10 by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

    They're killing the "Windows is easier than *NIX" argument.

    It has always been just an argument, never the truth. What's dieing is the spin.

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  44. Microsoft Marketing 101 by emaname · · Score: 2

    Axiom #10: It's easier to ask for forgiveness that it is for permission.

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    1. Re:Microsoft Marketing 101 by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Axiom #11: It's easier to tell the customer that they're using it wrong than to actually make the product work correctly.

  45. So Microsoft is going to learn that NO means NO ? by DickBreath · · Score: 1

    I find myself skeptical. What about Microsoft's "forced install" culture?

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  46. Win. 8 vs. Win. 10 by nevermore94 · · Score: 1

    Can someone provide a honest non-paranoid schizophrenic listing of reasons to or not to upgrade from Windows 8 to Windows 10?
    This is for my dedicated Windows gaming machine. I have other Linux servers and Android devices for other things.
    I currently run Start 8 on it to make it look pretty much like Windows 7 and I would run Start 10 on it if I upgraded to do the same.
    DirectX 12 support is already one big reason to upgrade.

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    1. Re:Win. 8 vs. Win. 10 by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Windows 8, probably worth upgrading. Older Windows 7 computers may have problems with Windows 10. There's the spyware, but reportedly Microsoft's been putting it into Windows 7 and 8. You lose a media player, IIRC, with Windows 10, and you lose a lot of control over updates, but if it's a gaming machine that shouldn't be a concern.

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    2. Re:Win. 8 vs. Win. 10 by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Conspicuously missing from your analysis was any benefits to upgrading...

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    3. Re:Win. 8 vs. Win. 10 by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      First step: come up with a rational reason up upgrade to Windows 10. I haven't seen one so far. Sure, if you're on Windows XP then upgrade to something. But if you're on Windows 7/8/8.1 then I haven't seen any reason to upgrade. Don't upgrade if there's no point to it, no matter which OS it is - it's time consuming and a headache, and a major time waster and major heachache if it screws up.

      The whole reason for all this adware and begging and subterfuge to get people to upgrade to Windows 10 is because Microsoft knows there's not much there to entice people into upgrading normally. If they had a solid product then customers would upgrade voluntarily on their own. Especially when it's FREE and people are still wary of upgrading then you know something's off.

      If it's for gaming, note that no one's really using DirectX 12 yet, just a couple games that no one is every going to miss, and there's no real advantage to using it instead of DX11. Future games will see that so many customers are avoiding Windows 10 that they will be hesitant to remove DX10/11 support and piss off the paying customers.

      I would suggest getting Windows 8.1 over Windows 8 if you haven't done that though.

    4. Re:Win. 8 vs. Win. 10 by b783719 · · Score: 1

      Emm, these are a few reasons you may not want to upgrade from Win8 to Win10

      - Compatibility of Software
      - Driver Availability / without Issues or Bugs (You can install an older driver in Win10 if it works)
      - Windows Stability (not vulnerability. If you clean install Win10, it should have a better stability)
      - Separate Touch Mode (Some people favor Win8 touch features)
      - Controllable Update Option (In Win8, you can control windows from deleting software, auto update and resetting preference. In Win10 even after you look for all option, you can only pick either install all updates or install none)
      - Privacy (More settings/ items to disable around in Win10 compare to Win8. Note changes to privacy may break Win10 internet features)

      and other reasons you may want to upgrade from Win8 to Win10
      - Start Menu
      - Contana Assistant
      - Up-to-date Windows Store Apps
      - A little Faster Boot
      - Up-to-date Security
      - Task Bar Internet Search

      In short, if you don't have that many games or software, you likely won't find too much Bugs or incompatibility from Win8 and upgrade to Win10 won't be too bad. If you have doubt, get yourself a new hard drive and install Win10. If you like it, you upgrade it. If not, you switch back.

  47. if you've had enough of abusive corporations... by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    ...hit 'em with a leg sweep... http://www.movetoamend.org/
    Mebbe some of them will decide to play nice once we snatch their teeth out.

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  48. Re:Argh, FU MS by dbreeze · · Score: 1

    Burn yourself a variety of Linux liveCD's to try out and see which one works best with your hardware, and you. You'll really be kicking yerself in the butt for not ditching Microsoft earlier...

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  49. Re:Why only windows 10 by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Technically, it's always been harder to install Linux than it has been to just use the version of Windows the computer came with. I've had slightly less trouble installing Linux than Windows, when I did the installation.

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  50. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by TangoMargarine · · Score: 2

    When Linux Torvalds first created Linux it wasn't designed to be a mass-market operating system. It was designed by geeks for geeks. A bunch of fucktarded neckbeards who don't give two shits about usability

    Don't confuse "Linux Torvalds" with the GNOME devs. He does and has given various arrogant developers both barrels when they do something stupid. In fact he specifically called out GNOME3 for that exact thing.

    A bunch of fucktarded neckbeards who don't give two shits about usability, only blind adherence to an Orwellian mindset of "the only way to be free is to do exactly what I say."

    Or a more accurate way to say it, "if you don't like how I do it, fork it and do it your own way." I'd like to hear about how you think proprietary software is any more free than that.

    When you put everything on a level playing field -- Linux is free and so is a pirated copy of Windows -- people always choose Windows.

    Like the other replier said, not true. You kids and your silly absolute statements.

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  51. Are they not merciful? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Well, aren't they?

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  52. Re:The best solution by secretsquirel · · Score: 1

    " If my kindle fire tablet has advertising, that's fine, I bought it with that understanding and at the end of the day, it is a toy that the kids watch Netflix on."

    agree to disagree

  53. Re:Argh, FU MS by Duckman5 · · Score: 1

    Genuinely curious. How does FreeNAS work with OS X? Have you tried it yet?

    Amazingly well. FreeNAS supports CIFS/SMB and AFP among others so you can share files with pretty much any platform you can imagine.

    Also, when you're setting up an AFP share, there's a check box that just says "Time Machine." If you check the box, when you can use OSX's built in Time Machine backup service to back up to that share. You don't have to dedicate an entire drive as I'm told you have to do with the official Apple hardware and you can even set up quotas for the dataset that the backup is on so that Time Machine will autoprune it and it won't get out of control.

    I used Windows Home Server for a few years, then tried Amahi, then rolled my own server, but I'll never go back to any of them since I started using FreeNAS. I don't think I've run into a single sane thing I've wanted to do that I haven't be able to do yet. Be warned, though, that ZFS is one heck of a memory hog. That being said, I'm running my system with 6.5 TB of storage on only 4 GB but I wouldn't recommend it. I'm going to upgrade the system as soon as I have the free cash.

  54. Hey $10000 for Windows 10 upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I don't think she deserved it. The rest of us deserve it, we clicked on the red x which is the Roman numeral representation of TEN.

  55. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    The functional updates are generally pointless anyway. Most updates of any value only ever shows up in the latest releases. Once there's a new Windows version the previous version stops getting anything useful except for some crash fixes. Windows 8 has mainstream support until 2018, but I can say with high confidence that they will never port DirectX 12 to it for example.

  56. Re:Argh, FU MS by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    That's never going to work, that's where I put the mother in law.

  57. Re:Argh, FU MS by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Greatest feel good marketing slogan of all time: "You have to upgrade sooner or later so may as well do it now and get it over with."

  58. Re:If you didn't know about Microsoft a long time by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    You can block with the router. However the script I saw that tried to do this was extremely broad. It blocked skype for instance, not just some part of skype but "*.skype.com". I don't use skype but it didn't give me a good feeling that they were using pinpoint accuracy.

  59. Re:Still not sure what everything is about... by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    You need to get around more then, or read more news, because it is real and people have been upgraded without ever clicking on a "yes" button.

  60. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by houghi · · Score: 1

    People only use (and pirate) Windows because billions of dollars of legacy x86 apps that were written when Microsoft had a monopoly on the OS market due to their lucky deal with IBM

    The fact that so much software was written for it was a result. The reason really is pre-installation.

    People just has happily buy Apple or Android stuff now. Sure, some people will be installing Windows because they need a specific software to work (and I even include games here). The majority of people will not need that. They will need to be able to use the Google and Facebook. They might need sometimes need to print out a letter. And they need to listen to music and watch films and the pictures of their grand children.

    That is the majority of people. So why don't they use Linux? Because it did not come with the PC.

    Just like car radios, there are way better radios available, yet people just go with what is already in there.

    I know there are some PCs you can buy with Linux, but people who are interested in that will already know what distro they want and will install it themselves anyway. I am talking about the PCs at Amazon and Best Buy and the like where your neighbours grandpa gets his PC from.

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  61. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    Yes, when it was first designed, it was a school hobby project by a kernel hacker. But that was over 20 years ago. And assuredly you're not going to say that anything that begun as a hobby must be a toy for its entire lifespan?

    No. With well over a hundred different Distros and more petty squabbling and "religious-war" infighting than the U.S. Republican Party, "Linux" is doing a fine job of that all on its own...

    Isn't it amazing, macs4all, that even despite all the conflicts, we Linux users still have an abundance of freedom of choice and customization, and still have a superior experience to Macs?

  62. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by LichtSpektren · · Score: 1

    Isn't it amazing, macs4all, that even despite all the conflicts, we Linux users still have an abundance of freedom of choice and customization, and still have a superior experience to Macs?

    I agree that you have an abundance of freedom of choice and customization; because that's all you have. But a "superior experience"? Not even close.

    That's nice. I'm glad you're happy with your computer. I'll be using one with equivalent specs but half the price, better performance, and a workflow customized to my liking.

  63. This happend deliberately too late by dddux · · Score: 1

    They will make it easier to decline W10 installation because the main goal has been already achieved - the dumbest part of the population have already been upgraded and there's no point in doing it any more. Also, losing the case in court helped, too, as they want to avoid losing money like that. It's all really carefully pre-calculated. They're not as dumb as you might think. This is like saying sorry to your neighbour after you've already shit on his porch.

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  64. Re:What are the alternatives for Windows users? by macs4all · · Score: 1

    That's nice. I'm glad you're happy with your computer. I'll be using one with equivalent specs but half the price, better performance, and a workflow customized to my liking.

    ...and a Warranty that... Oh, wait.

    What "workflow" are you talking about? Every OS on the planet has pretty much solved the same challenges is pretty much the same way. The GUI may be slightly different (or in the case of the UI-Formerly-Known-As-Metro, completely different); but underneath it all, OSes are like DNA: The similarities from one species to another FAR outweigh the differences.

    So I can't even fathom what you are trying to communicate with your "Workflow customized to my liking" comment, seriously. Your words are a non-sequitur. Your facts are un-coordinated.

    STERILIZE! STERILIZE! STER-I-LIIIIIZE!!!!

  65. Re:Why only windows 10 by istartedi · · Score: 1

    No. It was the truth, at least it was in the late 90s. All the Linux guys were like, "woohoo, I got it to install". One time I asked them "what's the equivalent of find all files and folders containing X?", and I got 3 different line-noise answers that sort of made sense to me but would have befuddled most regular people. Also, installing was considered an "accomplishment" and as recently as 2007 our solution to "Red Hat doesn't install on that machine" was "Install Ubuntu".

    Face it. Although Linux has closed most of the gap, it took its own sweet time.

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