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Facebook Decides Which Killings We're Allowed to See

Minutes after a police shooting took place in the Falcon Heights suburbs of Minnesota, a Facebook Live video was published on the social juggernaut website. The death of Philando Castile, 32, was documented in harrowing detail thanks to the live streaming tool offered by the social media giant. The 10-minute video was streamed via smartphone by a woman identified in media reports as Diamond Reynolds. She narrates the video with a mix of eerie calm and anguish. The video was removed from Facebook due to, as company says, a "technical glitch." The video has since been restored, but with a "Warning -- Graphic Video," disclaimer. Motherboard notes that Facebook has become the de-facto platform for such controversial videos, and that there's a pattern in these so called glitches -- as they happen very often time after a questionable content is streamed. This makes one wonder whether it is up to Facebook to decide which kind of controversial videos one should be able to watch The publication writes: As Facebook continues to build out its Live video platform, the world's most popular social network has become the de-facto choice for important, breaking, and controversial videos. Several times, Facebook has blocked political or newsworthy content only to later say that the removal was a "technical glitch" or an "error." Nearly two-thirds of Americans get their news from social media, and two thirds of Facebook users say they use the site to get news. If Facebook is going to become the middleman that delivers the world's most popular news events to the masses, technical glitches and erroneous content removals could be devastating to information dissemination efforts. More importantly, Facebook has become the self-appointed gatekeeper for what is acceptable content to show the public, which is an incredibly important and powerful position to be in. By censoring anything, Facebook has created the expectation that there are rules for using its platform (most would agree that some rules are necessary). But because the public relies on the website so much, Facebook's rules and judgments have an outsized impact on public debate.

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  1. It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    It is Their Site. So they make Their rules.
    Based on their business model.

    1. Re:It is Their Site by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      so comcast can do DPI and remove bad review on there ISP link right?

    2. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Someone doesn't understand the difference between a website and a telecommunications provider!

    3. Re:It is Their Site by quantaman · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is Their Site. So they make Their rules.
      Based on their business model.

      So what? Because they're a business acting in their self-interest that makes it proper and ethical and we're not supposed to discuss or criticize them?

      In a free market system consumers are supposed to discuss and judge products and the companies that make them, that's not a bug, that's one of the basic mechanisms that makes free markets work.

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    4. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

    5. Re:It is Their Site by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      Making a joke / what kind of BS they can put into an EULA

    6. Re:It is Their Site by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Usually it's not the baking that's the issue, it's the delivery... But you have a good point..

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    7. Re:It is Their Site by butchersong · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Furthermore, I would hope that facebook would NOT host videos glorifying the deaths of innocents (ISIS propaganda) but would host such videos that have or might have significance to society. It might be a difficult line to walk sometimes but I certainly would feel that obligation if it were my company hosting the material -"Conservative" that avoids facebook like the plague.

    8. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Because Facebook is not differentiating between people. They are making a blanket decision for everybody, and they are deciding it based on the content of the video and not on the person who posted it.

    9. Re:It is Their Site by tsqr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      Usually it's not the baking that's the issue, it's the delivery... But you have a good point..

      If Facebook was pulling videos based upon the poster's expressed sexual preference he might have a good point. But as far as I can tell, they don't, so he doesn't.

    10. Re:It is Their Site by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      A baker can't decide not to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

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    11. Re:It is Their Site by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      Usually it's not the baking that's the issue, it's the delivery... But you have a good point..

      If Facebook was pulling videos based upon the poster's expressed sexual preference he might have a good point. But as far as I can tell, they don't, so he doesn't.

      Hey what if the violent video gets them off sexually? Now does Facebook have no right to pull the video?

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    12. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      A baker can't decide not to bake a cake for a gay wedding.

      Any business owner can decide whom to accept as customers. Maybe I do not millennial generation persons in my privately-run library. I can refuse them entrance and any of them can be ejected at my sole discretion. "No shirt. No Service." Same idea.

    13. Re:It is Their Site by sittingnut · · Score: 1

      facebook has the right to make its own rule in its platform/site, but others have a right to point out (and disseminate with means available) the fact that facebook( ad seller/employer with vested commercial and political interests) is acting like a gatekeeper with hidden criteria on how it decides what to pass and not pass.

    14. Re:It is Their Site by SirSlud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You can't discriminate based on race, religion, sexual preference. You can discriminate based on whether or not somebody decides to wear a shirt. This is the way it is because at large, we deem it to be fair and prevent people from being discriminated against based on characteristics that are fundamental to living as they want or were born.

      We don't deem being able to live your entire life without wearing a shirt to be fundamental to living your life freely. Pretty fucking simple.

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    15. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      Because one is a liberal and the other isn't. Some animals are more equal than others.

    16. Re:It is Their Site by twdorris · · Score: 2

      So what? Because they're a business acting in their self-interest that makes it proper and ethical and we're not supposed to discuss or criticize them?

      Sure you are. And he is doing just that. His statement that they can do whatever they want does not imply that you can't discuss it. That's just his position on the matter. Don't like it? Offer an alternative viewpoint.

    17. Re:It is Their Site by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      So what? Because they're a business acting in their self-interest that makes it proper and ethical and we're not supposed to discuss or criticize them?

      In a free market system consumers are supposed to discuss and judge products and the companies that make them, that's not a bug, that's one of the basic mechanisms that makes free markets work.

      Except you know that's not how this goes. This turns into people talking about what someone running a web site should allowed or forced to do. The headline itself is already into irrational territory on this.

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    18. Re:It is Their Site by davester666 · · Score: 1

      Because Facebook isn't stupid enough to say "We are pulling this video because you are a faggot."

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    19. Re:It is Their Site by avandesande · · Score: 1

      About 2/3 of the article summary is spent talking about how FB monitors and limits its content like it is something special. 100% of public forums or content sites do this. People just get tired of hearing this populist garbage about free speech which is just plain wrong.

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    20. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your analogy is bad. It would be more fair to ask "why can't a foodstuff store refuse to serve a given cake made by a third party", assuming costs of stocking and selling it are negligible.

    21. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I'm ok with it. I'm OK with the baker telling me they won't bake my cake, I'm OK with facebook telling me they won't show my video. Hell, I'm OK with people putting whatever in a box and calling it food (though I wish they would stop telling me my beef is "gluten free").

      I'm not OK with people lying about it. The baker should tell me upfront that he or she won't bake cakes for my big fat gay wedding. Facebook should have listed in their rules that they're going to review videos where people die and decide whether they will let anyone see them or not. The box should have the ingredients listed on them. Failure in any of these cases is a lie by omission.

    22. Re:It is Their Site by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      You can't discriminate based on race, religion, sexual preference. You can discriminate based on whether or not somebody decides to wear a shirt. This is the way it is because at large, we deem it to be fair and prevent people from being discriminated against based on characteristics that are fundamental to living as they want or were born.

      We don't deem being able to live your entire life without wearing a shirt to be fundamental to living your life freely. Pretty fucking simple.

      How about a hat?

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    23. Re:It is Their Site by tsqr · · Score: 1

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      Usually it's not the baking that's the issue, it's the delivery... But you have a good point..

      If Facebook was pulling videos based upon the poster's expressed sexual preference he might have a good point. But as far as I can tell, they don't, so he doesn't.

      Hey what if the violent video gets them off sexually? Now does Facebook have no right to pull the video?

      Not sure what you're getting at. What does sexual stimulation have to do with it again?

    24. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, this is like the difference between public and private spaces IRL. 0% or close to it of public forums do this. 100% or close to it of *private* forums do censorship. Learn the history of the internet and IRC and Usenet and stuff. Then weep when you see what we lost.

    25. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is Their Site.

      How many billion users can you have, before this no longer applies?

    26. Re:It is Their Site by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      You are free to discriminate against hats in the US, or even against people who you believe to have ever worn the sort of hat you have a problem with.

      If it becomes a widespread problem, our society will debate through various forums if we should add hats to the list of protected attributes. Currently, it is considered that choice of hat is purely personal choice, and not rising to the important level of religion, so it is only protected from government interference. The government can regulate if it is allowed to wear hats in a location, or require the wearing of hats in a location, but it cannot regulate the style of hat. (though it can and does regulate the function of hats in certain situations) But a private business is free to discriminate based on content, outside of the things protected. A business can put up a sign, "no hippies" or "no rednecks" and that is totally legal.

      As long as facebook isn't discriminating based on membership in a protected group, they can ban/filter/hide/remove whatever videos they want. If they were the government, they would have requirements of being content-neutral. But they're not the government.

    27. Re:It is Their Site by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      My goodness, a person who can read. On slashdot! `Morning gramps, I guess you remembered your meds today! lol

      Don't look out the window, the state of the lawn might distress you.

    28. Re:It is Their Site by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Any business owner can decide whom to accept as customers. Maybe I do not millennial generation persons in my privately-run library. I can refuse them entrance and any of them can be ejected at my sole discretion. "No shirt. No Service." Same idea.

      Actually, if these millennial generation persons are over the age of 18, then no, in the State of Oregon you are not allowed to discriminate against them solely because of their age.

      Or didn't you realize that the gay wedding cake case was decided based on Oregon State law, and that Facebook is not an Oregon company, so this whole discussion thread is pointless?

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    29. Re:It is Their Site by acoustix · · Score: 1

      You can't discriminate based on race, religion, sexual preference.

      Sure you can. We do it everyday. I can't be a member of the congressional black caucus. I can't be a member of a WNBA team. I can't be a member of AARP.

      Exclusion happens all of the time. It's not always a bad thing.

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    30. Re:It is Their Site by avandesande · · Score: 1

      Yeah, would love to return to the internet the way it was. Last time I checked USENET is still available to those that want it. Remind me what we lost?

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    31. Re:It is Their Site by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      Usually it's not the baking that's the issue, it's the delivery... But you have a good point..

      If Facebook was pulling videos based upon the poster's expressed sexual preference he might have a good point. But as far as I can tell, they don't, so he doesn't.

      A more correct answer is that certain things in our society get 'extra' protection, by law. Race, religion, speech, sex, and in some states, sexual orientation. Sexual orientation is not full protected at a federal level like race/religion, so it can be confusing when determining if what someone is doing is illegal or just being a jerk.

    32. Re:It is Their Site by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      You are free to discriminate against hats in the US, or even against people who you believe to have ever worn the sort of hat you have a problem with.

      If it becomes a widespread problem, our society will debate through various forums if we should add hats to the list of protected attributes. Currently, it is considered that choice of hat is purely personal choice, and not rising to the important level of religion, so it is only protected from government interference. The government can regulate if it is allowed to wear hats in a location, or require the wearing of hats in a location, but it cannot regulate the style of hat. (though it can and does regulate the function of hats in certain situations) But a private business is free to discriminate based on content, outside of the things protected. A business can put up a sign, "no hippies" or "no rednecks" and that is totally legal.

      As long as facebook isn't discriminating based on membership in a protected group, they can ban/filter/hide/remove whatever videos they want. If they were the government, they would have requirements of being content-neutral. But they're not the government.

      Yeah but what if the hat is a religious observance? And someone, who happens to want to discriminate against that religion, has a sign up saying "Anyone wearing a hat will not be served." They aren't stating that they are discriminating against that religion, they might never have made their feelings public. So whats someone who happens to be a member of "obligatory hat wearing faith" supposed to do?

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    33. Re:It is Their Site by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      Usually it's not the baking that's the issue, it's the delivery... But you have a good point..

      If Facebook was pulling videos based upon the poster's expressed sexual preference he might have a good point. But as far as I can tell, they don't, so he doesn't.

      Hey what if the violent video gets them off sexually? Now does Facebook have no right to pull the video?

      Not sure what you're getting at. What does sexual stimulation have to do with it again?

      Maybe its a sexual orientation, so that would make this discrimination on the basis of sexuality.

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    34. Re:It is Their Site by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      It is Their Site. So they make Their rules.
      Based on their business model.

      So how does it benefit Facebook's business model to be reading a discussion thread in which half the videos have been replaced by "Video removed for some mysterious reason"?

    35. Re:It is Their Site by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      The baker should tell me upfront that he or she won't bake cakes for my big fat gay wedding.

      But that's exactly what happens. Person comes in and says, "I want you to create something beautiful to celebrate something you don't support." And the baker says, up front and before any money changes hands or delivery expectations are set, "No, that's not my kind of thing, sorry!"

      I haven't heard of a single case of a baker saying they'd do business with the prospective customer, allowing that person to think they've made arrangements for a delivery of a product or service, and then have the vendor surprise them LATER with, "Oh, didn't I mention I can't provide food to non-Kosher/gay/atheist/whatever meal-related events."

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    36. Re:It is Their Site by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      As long as when faced with an actual religious hat they allow it, then there is no problem. If they actually tell a person with a religious hat not to enter, then yeah, they're screwed; but not for the hat policy. Only for saying no to the one person.

      There is some latitude, if for example the person's religion doesn't require the wearing of the hat, and you know exactly which sect the person is a member of. If it is a stranger, though, that is a dangerous game.

      An example that has been litigated is religious jewelry; if it isn't required by the religion, it can be required to remove it, as long as everybody has to remove it. So a government-run swimming pool can have a "no jewelry" requirement, and it still covers cross jewelry because it isn't a required item, and isn't banned based on content.

      A private business could ban jewelry with peace signs, based on content, but not ones with religious iconography. But they could ban all jewelry, including religious jewelry, but when somebody comes in the door wearing jewelry and says, "it is the first day of Oggliboogli, the Great One commands that all Good People wear their Oggli pin today," you'll just have to let them wear it, unless you're ready to argue in court that Oggliboogli doesn't count as a religion, or that the sect of Oggliboogli that the person is a member of doesn't require the wearing of Oggli pins. A more real-world example, a Pastafarian may be required to wear the strainer on their head for official photos, for whatever reason, but it is known that they're not required to wear it all the time. A blanket ban on hats could be legally extended to include pasta strainers, though you would certainly have to allow somebody to carry their strainer with them during their visit. But you couldn't specifically ban the wearing of pasta strainers as hats, because that would be clear discrimination based on religion.

      * I am not a lawyer, and none of this statement should be considered to be advice of any kind.

    37. Re:It is Their Site by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Why can Facebook decide to pull a video but a baker can't decide not to bake a cake?

      Usually it's not the baking that's the issue, it's the delivery... But you have a good point..

      If Facebook was pulling videos based upon the poster's expressed sexual preference he might have a good point. But as far as I can tell, they don't, so he doesn't.

      Why does this have anything to do with sexual orientation?

      So, if Facebook can filter videos (and I think they CAN) why can the baker not refuse to deliver a cake to specific kinds of events? Say the baker is Islamic refugee from the West Bank and the cake is for the local Jewish Synagogue who is raising funds to buy the IDF weapons? You going to force that transaction too? Where are the limits to what can be mandated while we keep our religious freedoms? Facebook can filter videos, but bakeries cannot refuse to deliver cakes to gay weddings? What kind of convoluted logic do we need to justify this? Shesh.. This is political correctness run amok if you ask me.

      The poster did have a good point, even if you disagree with their conclusion.

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    38. Re:It is Their Site by mcl630 · · Score: 1

      Who was Facebook discriminating against exactly?

    39. Re:It is Their Site by mcl630 · · Score: 1

      It is Their Site.

      How many billion users can you have, before this no longer applies?

      Infinite... it's still their site. Those billions of users are free to move to another site that better meets their needs.

    40. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is Their Site. So they make Their rules.
      Based on their business model.

      So what? Because they're a business acting in their self-interest that makes it proper and ethical and we're not supposed to discuss or criticize them?

      In a free market system consumers are supposed to discuss and judge products and the companies that make them, that's not a bug, that's one of the basic mechanisms that makes free markets work.

      No,
      because Facaebook is a group of people their freedom of the press shall not be infringed. That includes the freedom to choose what they do not "print".

      If Facebook won't show your video you're free to host it on your own web page (blackjack and hookers optional) or use one of their competitors who will instead.

    41. Re:It is Their Site by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      At this point, their website is simply too big to let them do whatever they want with it. And because of the nature of social networks, there's a huge lock-in effect - I mean, we've had one of the other giants in the industry waste how many million dollars on their attempt to get in, and it was still a miserable failure.

    42. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You haven't checked in a loooong time then. The vast majority of ISPs no longer provide USENET access. They haven't for almost a decade. That doesn't mean there aren't tunnels you can use to a few remaining hold outs but it is quite cumbersome now when it used to be so easy. Also, the content on USENET these days is nothing like it used to be since the journalists of those days are long gone.

    43. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can criticize, you can even suggest alternatives and improvements, but they don't have to accept your ideas. It's still their site.

    44. Re:It is Their Site by HiThere · · Score: 1

      But I question whether they shouldn't be called on lying about the reason.

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    45. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it may not be suitable, or appropriate, for, say, a ten-year old to watch their uncle being killed via a facebook video.

      I entirely agree with this form of censorship.

    46. Re: It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Freedom of choice,

    47. Re: It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry, but Oregon makes it quite clear that you can't refuse public services for those reasons, if you want a change to those laws, your first step is the state legislature.

      Same with New Mexico. And Colorado, I believe. Have you even bothered to contact them?

      Besides, you lost that argument in Heart of Atlanta Motel and Shelley v Kraemer. The state is going to be asked to intervene in its role as arbiter of equity, so you need to have a policy in place.

      Not to mention the states like Indiana, Alabama, and North Carolina that are making it state-sanctioned in the other way, so you can't duck the question.

      I'm sorry, but I am going to insist that you make an effective policy part of your methods rather than just whine like a baby.

    48. Re: It is Their Site by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      I'm addressing the GP's comment about this communication happening "up front." Why would you want to hire an artist to create something for you when you and the artist disagree about why the work is being created? Should a black baker be forced to make a beautiful cake for the local KKK chapter? If not, why not?

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    49. Re:It is Their Site by segin · · Score: 1

      My religious freedoms were curtailed when the government deemed it illegal to sell my daugter's hand in marriage to her rapist, to kill gays, to kill those with tattoos, or those that eat shellfish, or those who decide to switch religions, or engaged-to-be-married virgins that get raped within the city limits, or anyone that works on Sunday or forcibly deport most of the Deep South to Mexico, I could go on and on about how "religious freedom" has been so severely curtailed that I cannot carry out the actions demanded by God for these heinous crimes, and will surely burn in hell forever for allowing these acts to go unpunished.

    50. Re:It is Their Site by cr_nucleus · · Score: 1

      You can't discriminate based on race, religion, sexual preference. You can discriminate based on whether or not somebody decides to wear a shirt. This is the way it is because at large, we deem it to be fair and prevent people from being discriminated against based on characteristics that are fundamental to living as they want or were born.

      We don't deem being able to live your entire life without wearing a shirt to be fundamental to living your life freely. Pretty fucking simple.

      I think you mean that it's somewhat acceptable to discriminate about something someone does, not about something someone is.

    51. Re:It is Their Site by bobbied · · Score: 1

      You sir are senseless..

      We all know there are reasonable limits to one's rights and that government CAN and DOES curtail absolute freedom, better known as anarchy. HOWEVER, in all the cases you reference above there is a compelling *reason* to justify the curtailment of individual's freedom. You see, the legal principle here is that government must demonstrate they have good reason before they can put limits on your freedom. Such legal requirements are necessary.

      Where is the justification of compelling someone to violate their beliefs in providing a service such as baking and delivering a cake? I personally don't see justification for governmental action here. There are plenty of cake bakers out there who are more than willing to provide the cake, why must we force the few who object on religious grounds to violate their beliefs? ,/P>

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    52. Re: It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm addressing the GP's comment about this communication happening "up front."

      Poorly, as your reply was not on point, since the states I mentioned have already rejected that option. Namely refusing for those specified reasons.

      I believe in the case of Colorado(and maybe Oregon, not sure about New Mexico), they've even declared that posting a sign is abusive. So what are you going to do? Where is your policy clearly stated?

      Why would you want to hire an artist to create something for you when you and the artist disagree about why the work is being created?

      I've never understood why people never ask a full set of questions, it's like you don't know the extent of the situation, or want to focus on a narrow and inconsequential situation as if it was the whole and complete story. It's not about cakes.

      Why would I want to live in a neighborhood where I'm not wanted? Why would I want a doctor to perform his duties if he doesn't want to save my life? Why would I get medicine from a pharmacist who doesn't think I should have had an abortion? Why would I want a meal from a restaurant if they don't want to serve me? Why would I want to buy from a vendor who didn't want me around? Why would I want a contractor who doesn't want to repaint an ordered color that they got wrong to do so? Why would I want a plumber who refuses to unclog my toilet? (*And see below for an aside)

      All of these questions apply, but they're up to the individual involved, and the base question is the policy of the state, and in the cases I mentioned, they won't support refusing for those grounds already mentioned. Nor posting a sign.

      This is why you need an effective policy. You can't ignore the reality.

      Especially since, as I mentioned already, you have cases like say, Kim Davis in Kentucky, who refused to issue licenses, or say, Alabama, where the state constitution forbid recognition even when another state did recognize a marriage or civil union(And I believe their chief justice is still blathering on about refusing, but all the clerks are ignoring him as far as I know). Or that pharmacist who inquired as to why a woman was getting a particular medicine that prevented bleeding. That was in Idaho. The pharmacist even tried to induce a HIPAA violation. Not to mention the one who refused to dispense viagra because the man's wife had his tubes tied. What, is it the place of a pharmacist to decide whether or not you get to have a healthy sex life with your wife? On the other hand, you have California and New Jersey, where they have a duty to dispense a prescription. What about those states?

      And people like you bitch over having to make a cake. Bitch bitch bitch. Why don't you ever get on anything serious? The Cake is a lie.

      Try to spread your awareness a bit.

      Should a black baker be forced to make a beautiful cake for the local KKK chapter? If not, why not?

      Well, unfortunately for the KKK, it's a terrorist organization, known for its abusive and illegal conduct. Including the violent overthrow of civil governments. As such, it is quite distinguishable from say, a same-sex marriage, where no such thing is necessarily occurring. And the various laws mentioned above do not apply since they do not require serving the KKK, though if it were a pair of same-sex KKK members, then you'd have a problem if your objection was not to them being in the KKK, but the same-sex part.

      Of course, there are abusive marriages, and sham marriages, and illegal marriages, so for that reason, you could refuse to bake a cake, unless a state has passed a law to the contrary, but I am not aware of that being the case, however I'm not aware of every law in every jurisdiction. Still, I'm not aware of any baker who has ever refused for those reasons, let alone one who has had a complaint filed against them.

      And as I said, there's no law against refusing business to the KKK if your reasons are say

    53. Re:It is Their Site by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      It isn't even just delivery (not sure why the AC says it is above). If a bakery refuses to enter into a contract, or sell a cake, they have been prosecuted/persecuted for their religion.

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    54. Re:It is Their Site by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      You can't discriminate based on race, religion, sexual preference.

      According to federal law you are wrong. Sexual preference is only protected by some states, it is by no means a universal law.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    55. Re:It is Their Site by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      A single gay wedding cake case was decided in Oregon.

      http://aclu-co.org/court-rules...
      Colorado had one too.

      https://www.lifesitenews.com/n...
      The opposite happened too, a guy is being charged by a gay bakery owner that he asked to make a anti-gay cake. They refused and hung up, he posted a video of it, and a bunch of people harassed the baker (which is what has happened in these other bakery cases).

      http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
      Also Northern Ireland.

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      APK likes to ask for responses to the same things over and over. Maybe he just likes the responses?
    56. Re:It is Their Site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US is welcomed to join the UN anytime it wants. It just needs to ratify some declarations and such nonsense.. ;)

  2. THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Companies back biased reporting. News at 11

    1. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 5, Insightful

      News at 11: CNN, Reuters, ABC, WashPo, Huffington, Faux News, and every other news source also decide which killings, rapes, assaults, incidents, political mishaps and weather event to report.

    2. Re:THIS JUST IN! by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Companies back biased reporting. News at 11

      The phrase is "film at eleven" - you're hearing this on the news, so the news is now".

      But yes, we've already seen Facebook uses their platform to support their political objectives. That's been obvious for a while really, and most conservatives have left Facebook/Twitter/etc to avoid supporting them in any way. No doubt that was the goal of progressives all along, or anyway delights them.

      But an echo chamber that feeds directly into your selection bias is harmful to everyone. Sadly, that's all we seem to have these days, in both new media and old - it's on you to read both conservative and liberal blogs (or, for the elderly, both listen to talk radio and read the paper). Just realize that social media is a progressive echo chamber these days, so you're not going to find perspective if all you consume is social media, MSNBC, and liberal blogs.

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    3. Re:THIS JUST IN! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Reality has a liberal bias, so the conservatives fled Facebook because they are unhappy with reality. They went to actual walled gardens to hide from the truth, and Facebook, recognizing the users left, displayed a "bias" towards their customers.

    4. Re:THIS JUST IN! by lgw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Reality has a liberal bias, so the conservatives fled Facebook because they are unhappy with reality.

      This is what confirmation bias looks like. When you're part of the "community-based reality", everything your read or hear shows how smart you are, and what idiots the fools on the other side must be - after all, you never see evidence to the contrary!

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    5. Re:THIS JUST IN! by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      most conservatives have left Facebook/Twitter/etc

      I really, really doubt that's true, unless by 'conservative' you mean some subset of 'non-RINOs' whose numbers are too small to really worry about anyway

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    6. Re:THIS JUST IN! by phishybongwaters · · Score: 4, Interesting

      And that's why they left facebook, to live in their bubble. AT least you seem to get it, you need to take the time to delve into both sides to get any type of insight. If you are a "liberal" or "progressive" which I can't ignore the fact that you are using as derogatory terms, you need to take in as much from the other side as possible. If you are a conservative or whatever term you want to toss out, you need to listen to what's coming from the liberal side too, because both groups are living in a confirmation bias bubble. Being mostly in the middle I've noticed a trend. Inventing bullshit arguments and creating strawmen.... from both sides. It's funny though because you attempted to trash on AK, but you ignored the fact that you, yourself, posted this: "No doubt that was the goal of progressives all along, or anyway delights them." So who is living in the fantasy bubble? The people using facebook, the people who left, or the dude who thinks this was all a huge "progressive" conspiracy?

    7. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Sir_Eptishous · · Score: 2

      I am what you would call a "progressive", and I detest FB.

      However, I have conservative relatives who use FB a lot and have their own echo chamber of "news" from what they get through FB.
      It works both ways.

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    8. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Eh... what's the point when those 'biased selections' see only the vase or the kissing people? It's not like there's some middle truth that we'll find for ourselves by broadening our perspective. Indeed, I'd argue that the whole present-both-sides-and-let-viewers-decide myth is exactly what got us to the point you're decrying. Once there was no longer a reputable, respected source willing to call bullshit on bad arguments, there doesn't appear to be any reason not to just drop the arguments your demographic doesn't like.

      It has made us more cowardly, though. I'd probably actually vote for the first Republican to stand up and say, "you know, I don't care what the statistics are, I believe my right to protect-myself theater is more important than your right not to have dangerous shit around you" or "of course there's global warming, I just don't think we should do anything about it because that'd be bad for people I like."

    9. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So an outlet that is censoring content to match their agenda isn't a walled garden but going to an outlet that supports your point of view is? Huh?

      Me thinks you don't understand how a walled garden works.

    10. Re:THIS JUST IN! by matbury · · Score: 1

      It would seem that the alternative view to conservatism among the IT giants (Google, FB, Twitter, etc.) isn't liberalism but neoliberalism of the free market kind: Silicon Valley was founded mostly by Ayn Rand enthusiasts. Even the "liberal" Jimmy Wales is a self-proclaimed Objectivist and graduate of Chicago School economics (think Milton Friedman who himself was a young protégé of Ayn Rand). The liberal media collapsed in the USA a while back and only exists in a few non-profit, independent, small-scale outlets. But yes, we need all voices and views represented in a democracy.

    11. Re:THIS JUST IN! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      The liberal media collapsed in the USA a while back and only exists in a few non-profit, independent, small-scale outlets

      NBC, CBS, ABC, CNN, MSNBC, NY times, etc etc etc.

      You are thinking of the 'openly communist' media. Even there they hold up their propaganda tradition with 'Democracy Now' (News from a non-reality based perspective).

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    12. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Princeofcups · · Score: 1

      That's been obvious for a while really, and most conservatives have left Facebook/Twitter/etc to avoid supporting them in any way.

      Most conservatives have left Facebook? Who votes up this bilge.

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    13. Re:THIS JUST IN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      That's been obvious for a while really, and most conservatives have left Facebook/Twitter/etc to avoid supporting them in any way.

      Why hasn't there been a drop in the number of Facebook or Twitter hits daily?

      Just realize that social media is a progressive echo chamber these days

      Claiming the media is against you is a well-established political sport. It's just noise. We live in a world now where everything that we don't like must be a conspiracy, because our feelings can't possibly be wrong.

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    14. Re:THIS JUST IN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      And that's why they left facebook, to live in their bubble.

      Except nobody left Facebook. It's just a bunch of people posting their Goodbye Cruel World messages - on Facebook. Then checking in to see how many "likes" they got for quitting Facebook. And then rage-quitting for ten minutes.

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    15. Re:THIS JUST IN! by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      The phrase is "film at eleven"

      This always confused me. My entire life, I have lived in the Central Time Zone, and we get our film at 10PM every night.

    16. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conservatives love numbers and facts until the numbers and facts don't match up with what they want to be true, then it's a "Liberal conspiracy".

    17. Re:THIS JUST IN! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Im not part of the community. You are the only one desperate to hear how smart you are. I see evidence for both sides, and weigh it up. That you can't doesn't mean nobody else can.

    18. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed. Most intelligent people have left (or never joined) Facebook. If the intersection set of intelligent people and conservatives is larger than the intersection set between intelligent people and liberals, well, it may seem like most conservatives have left FB.

    19. Re:THIS JUST IN! by ScentCone · · Score: 0

      The liberal media collapsed in the USA a while back

      Hilarious. It's always funny to hear people say that, when what they mean is, "One cable news channel has dared to court an audience that doesn't swoon over the prevailing liberal media bias found in every other outlet, and has an audience." This makes liberals crazy, and instead of wondering why some people may not be blindly devoted to, say, MSNBC, they just throw out this "there is no liberal media any more, boo hoo" sophistry, as if anyone would fall for that.

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    20. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News agencies are curators of content, while Facebook is a platform. Facebook is to this video what the signal band is to a CNN video.

    21. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure, FB isn't biased. Just ask the owners of gun groups who have had their groups deleted and their accounts suspended, even when the group had zero to do with firearm sales.

      Just ask about how they actively want to block good news about one candidate (even though he is odious).

      Yes, it is their network, but they need to give up the pretext of being a common carrier and make it known that they have a way or the highway.

    22. Re:THIS JUST IN! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Everybody does that, and everybody has their thumb on the scale. You too, accept it.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    23. Re:THIS JUST IN! by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      News agencies are curators of content, while Facebook is a platform. Facebook is to this video what the signal band is to a CNN video.

      But this is patently untrue, because if you had ever been on Facebook, you would know that at one time or another pretty much everybody on Facebook has bitched about Facebook messing up their "news feed," prioritizing some posts over others and inserting ads.

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    24. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Companies back biased reporting. News at 11

      The phrase is "film at eleven" - you're hearing this on the news, so the news is now".

      Sorry kid wizard, you don't get to create the cliches, society as a whole does that. And "news at 11" is a standard cliche. You might as well get over it now, because it was already a cliche when you created your account.

      As for the actual real-world usage that the cliche is from, you're wrong there too; the standard cliche is of an advertisement that teases the stories that will be on the news, later. The news isn't "now" in this situation. Right now is evening soaps or sitcoms. News is at 11.

      A google search literally turns up transcripts of news teaser spots, mixed in with cliche uses and simple ads for 11' news.

    25. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Intelligent people don't have to make a show of "leaving," they still have accounts if they have people who they might want to contact who use that as their primary contact, they simply don't make casual use of the service.

      I have better things to do with my time. Slashdot use shows that I do have some time to simply fritter away. But I meter it. Most people have some time they fritter frivolously. It seems reasonable to say that intelligent people do not spend all day on facebook, or a similar activity. However, making a show of it serves no purpose.

      Like if I point out that I don't watch TV, except for PBS sometimes. It does nothing to say I don't watch TV. There is no positive effect. But saying "except for PBS" joins a public debate over how to manage the resource, and what content has unsatisfied latent demand. Listen carefully to No-TV-Guy; often he's making a political statement, not just bragging.

    26. Re:THIS JUST IN! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      Nope. The truly impartial are the cynics. If I hate everyone equally, I'm not biased, but still think both sides are packed with liars.

    27. Re:THIS JUST IN! by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      None of us are equally cynical about all things.

      You have bias in your observations, same as anybody.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    28. Re:THIS JUST IN! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Has nobody heard of Stephen Colbert?

      "And reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert.

    29. Re:THIS JUST IN! by chihowa · · Score: 1

      You have bias in your observations, same as anybody.

      And by denying the bias in his observations, he's even less capable of recognizing its influence on his thinking. Behold the ideologue.

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    30. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Facebook is like East Berlin in the 70s. Lots of people want to leave, but it's really difficult to get out.

    31. Re:THIS JUST IN! by jmcvetta · · Score: 1

      Why hasn't there been a drop in the number of Facebook or Twitter hits daily?

      Good stats on this are hard to find. Perhaps there already has been a drop:

      http://fortune.com/2016/04/07/...

      http://www.investopedia.com/ar...

    32. Re:THIS JUST IN! by mcl630 · · Score: 2

      Most people have some time they fritter frivolously.

      Try saying "fritter frivolously on Facebook" ten times fast.

    33. Re:THIS JUST IN! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      It's only confirmation bias when the other side isn't actually idiots.

      This year, and Trump success in particular, has provided the final and very hefty proof that the other side is, in fact, dominated by idiots (and, perhaps, people who are too afraid to challenge idiots).

      Sapienti sat.

    34. Re:THIS JUST IN! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      You have to admit that, because right wing beliefs conflict with observable facts that much more often (not saying that left wing doesn't do it - but they don't do it quite as often, and quite to that extent), at this point it's largely their sport.

      In the past couple of years, they've started extending this to various fact-checking websites and services, probably due to the sheer number of bullshit that those have pointed out that is readily sourced to right wing politicians.

    35. Re:THIS JUST IN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      Good stats on this are hard to find. Perhaps there already has been a drop:

      The article is about a dip in the number of "personal shares" where people share something or tweet something about themselves, personally. More people are using both platforms as passive news/media sites. If you visit any of the main Conservative hubs on Facebook, you'll find that most of the entries aren't personal shares anyway, but are usually them re-sharing pictures of Hillary photoshopped riding a broomstick or variations on various racist or antisemitic themes. Occasionally one will share something like this:

      https://youtu.be/8Yagjf5B2tw

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    36. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arizona too

    37. Re:THIS JUST IN! by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      And you believe in things you can't know. You believe me an ideologue because someone else accused me of being biased, and I laughed at that assertion, as it didn't even indicate a bias. "You lean politically" That's true of everyone, and has no meaning. "Bias" in a practical sense indicates a specific bias in a specific direction.

      And you apply an illogical catch-22. Anyone who is aware of bias can better recognize them (and thus, is less biased) and anyone who denies a bias must be more biased than someone who claims to have one. You sound like the idiots who don't understand Dunning-Kruger. Experts label themselves experts. Idiots over-estimate their skills. So all experts would claim to be, and some idiots would claim to be. So the pool of self-identified experts may contain either. And the idiots here who misuse that, claim that Dunning-Kruger means that anyone who claims to be an expert is obviously an idiot who doesn't know enough to know he's an idiot.

    38. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hilary winning didn't exactly paint the other side in a great light, either.

    39. Re:THIS JUST IN! by AK+Marc · · Score: 2

      I think that was the Colbert joke. When you are so right, everything else looks left, including the middle, and reality.

    40. Re:THIS JUST IN! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Hillary is bad, but she's the "same old" kind of bad. It's kind of like a chronic headache that people get used to over time. You can live with it, and while it does impede you, it doesn't kill or incapacitate you.

      Trump is more like getting your leg broken kind of bad. With a bone sticking out and all.

    41. Re:THIS JUST IN! by lgw · · Score: 1

      And your understanding of Trump, and of his supporters, is informed by something other than the mainstream media, social media, and liberal blogs?

      People who have lost their job, and would like to see less immigration that directly competes with them, are idiots? I hear that story quite often by non-Trumpkins here on Slashdot on every H1-B story.

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    42. Re:THIS JUST IN! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      My understanding of Trump and his supporters is informed by direct interaction with them. I am a pro-gun liberal (it's a bit more complicated, but it'll do for now), and so my social circles, both online and IRL, involve a considerable slice of right wing, from libertarians to tea party militia types. And, yes, Trump supporters.

      These people are idiots not because of what they want (though some of that is also extremely and obviously misguided), but because they believe that Trump will actually deliver it, and also because they completely ignore the price that the country would have to pay even if (or rather, precisely because) he does all that he promise. Trump's platform is right-wing authoritarian populism, complete with a personality cult - basically one step away from fascism, and some would argue that even said step is mostly nominal. It's not a valid option for anyone who has even the slightest shred of care or respect for constitutional rights, due process etc.

    43. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Conspiracy? They allege no such thing, they just say that people sorted themselves into bubbles.

      It's interesting how you seem to think that only certain people are susceptible to this.

    44. Re:THIS JUST IN! by Cederic · · Score: 1

      But given this is Slashdot..
      http://www.catb.org/jargon/htm...

    45. Re:THIS JUST IN! by lgw · · Score: 1

      Trump's platform is right-wing authoritarian populism, complete with a personality cult - basically one step away from fascism

      Ah, so Trump is Hitler.

      Well, given that Reagan is Hitler, and Bush Sr and Jr are both Hitler, I've learned to be OK with Hitler for president.

      Or maybe, just maybe, there's a bit of media bias at work in these popular beliefs.

      There have been many incidents of mob violence against Trump supporters (in one case while police wathed approvingly), plus the attempted assassination of Trump recently, so the evidence about "due process" etc seems different than the spin, at least to me.

      But all of this is very hypothetical to the guy without a job concerned about immigration. I find myself tired of the arrogance of people who dismiss the other side as "idiots" simply because they don't have the same value or priorities.

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    46. Re:THIS JUST IN! by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      Or maybe, just maybe, because some (bad) people have been improperly accused of it, doesn't mean that the accusation is never valid. Trump is not Hitler, but he's the closest any presidential candidate in this country has come to that figure.

      Like I said, my observations are direct. I don't need the media to tell me that most Trumpkins are either naive, idiots, or "fuck you so long as I get mine" sociopaths. I've seen them myself. I've talked to them. They told me what they are.

      Hell, I've had a Trump supporter tell me that his hope is that once Trump comes to power, "he'll throw some leftists out of helicopters, like they did in Chile to save the country" - and doubled down on it when I challenged him. And no other supporter in that group contradicted him; so, at best, even if they don't agree with this, they don't disagree enough to not look the other way, if it gets them what they want.

      But, of course, it's all just a harmless political movement for jobs and against immigration. I must have misheard or something.

    47. Re:THIS JUST IN! by surd1618 · · Score: 1

      I quit using Facebook about 6 months ago. It sucks. Several times I have missed events or scheduled events that overlapped others, because I am out of the loop. I think if I moved to a city, there would be more diversity in notifications.

    48. Re:THIS JUST IN! by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I quit using Facebook about 6 months ago. It sucks. Several times I have missed events or scheduled events that overlapped others, because I am out of the loop.

      You showed them.

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    49. Re:THIS JUST IN! by surd1618 · · Score: 1

      I was trying to understand your response, and I just realized my post was ambiguous. I meant that it sucks for me to not use Facebook, not that I quit using Facebook because "It sucks."

    50. Re:THIS JUST IN! by matbury · · Score: 1

      MSNBC unabashedly and enthusiastically support the Democratic party and Hillary Clinton as the next president. How is that liberal or even remotely left-wing?

  3. At least it's good to know FB has priorities by dpilot · · Score: 2

    They're only permitting the naughty-bits of human bodies in settings "generally recognized as art." It's just so much more dangerous to society to see the image of a female nipple or other male/female naughty-bits than it is to see live-streamed images of graphic violence. (Notwithstanding the fact that we all have those same bits ourselves, simply covered by clothing.)

    I'm not advocating anything-goes - I'm not sure what I'm advocating. But I know something is out of balance, here.

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    1. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Longjmp · · Score: 2

      Hypocritical society:
      Killing people is OK, "making" people (sex) is not.
      I blame religion.

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    2. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm not advocating anything-goes - I'm not sure what I'm advocating. But I know something is out of balance, here.

      I can tell you what's out of balance because I've said it here before. Facebook, Twitter, and friends have become the new AOL. The younger generation has precious little concept of the "internet." For them, the "internet" is their news feed on Facebook. I know a bunch of people that don't even bother to use Google anymore even though Google is a household name. I hear uninformed people talk about the "dark web," and they aren't referring to tor sites, they're referring to anything outside of the smartphone apps that constitute their walled garden social media experience.

      This is Slashdot, so the audience here is a little older and more technically minded than most. For me, my first exposure to the internet was Usenet, then IRC, both completely uncensored mediums with no corporate agenda. That's what we think of when we think of the internet but we're squarely in the minority. Hell, even sites like Slashdot have occasionally had to censor comments and that was before they had corporate overlords to answer to.

      It's not that Facebook is inherently evil, it's just that it's a large for-profit corporation; they started by censoring what's politically popular to censor, hate speech, ISIS videos, and the like, because they don't want their name tarnished by the association. Then they expanded to censoring other things -- firearms are no longer allowed to be sold in their marketplaces -- that have limited mainstream appeal, because they concluded that the cost benefit wasn't there for them.

      In theory, what they do with hate speech is no different than Applebee's declining to host the local KKK's meet and greet, but in practice they've become so large that they're essentially a gatekeeper to the online community, and as noted it's hardly limited to hate speech. Once you decide that you're going to censor your platform -- and the motivations are too strong to resist for a for-profit enterprise -- it's obvious that you're not going to be able to stop at "hate speech," however defined.

      I don't know what the solution to this is but it does sadden me when I think of how we escaped AOL only to replace it with Facebook and Twitter.

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    3. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Longjmp · · Score: 1

      Thank you for proving my sig.
      Where in my (very) few words above did I say I was blaming Islam (only)?
      Or, in your view, Islam is a religion, whereas christian belief is not? Then what is it, the "Truth"?
      If so, you are among the people who are carrying on the hypocracy.

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    4. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      Islamophobe much?

      Islamosensitive much?

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    5. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by justthinkit · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is all pretty straightforward.

      (1) Media make money when they hide nudity.
      (2) Media make money when they show violence.

      These two rules are used over and over again because...

      (3) Companies want to maximize profit and have not the slightest care nor concern for human beings

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    6. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by IvoryRing · · Score: 1

      Why is that hypocritical?

      Is it impossible for anyone to see a situation that they believe causes problems (for example - too many humans consuming resources on the planet) and promote both a reduction in the current size of the problem (reducing the number of humans living - aka promoting killing people) and in the future size of the problem (reducing the number of humans born - aka discouraging sex)?

      I'm not saying this is my approach, I'm just not sure it's as hypocritical as you seem to think it is.

    7. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      Islamophobe much?

      yeah he is obviously blaming those fundamentalist muslims who were early settlers in North America. I think they are called 'Puritans'.

      Or wait, were they Christians? I have a fucking lot of difficulty telling your religions apart sometimes; Christians, Jews, Muslims, all the same to me. I don't even know how you tell each other apart.

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    8. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by JoeDuncan · · Score: 1

      (1) Media make money when they hide nudity.

      Pretty sure this one's incorrect. Case in point: any HBO show.

    9. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A nipple seen by a child is news. An American shooting another American is not news, it is an NRA protected right

    10. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      There is no money in hiding nudity, the money is in near nudity; the promise or implication of nudity. Implication requires hiding, but the hiding isn't what sells.

    11. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by dadelbunts · · Score: 0

      its really easy actually. look at the ones recently committing terrorist acts. thats the muslims.

    12. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's funny, this guy doesn't look like the people committing terrorist acts but he's definitely a muslim too.

      This guy doesn't look like them either.

      People come in all shapes and sizes. Any religion with members that count themselves in a group of well over a billion is going to have some diversity.

    13. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My religion promotes sex and public nudity. I blame narrow minded people like you.

      captcha: populate

    14. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by kqs · · Score: 1

      In this case:
          - A law enforcement officer killing a citizen, seemingly for no good reason: not a big deal.
          - Facebook showing the livestream of this event: EVIL MEDIA!! CENSORSHIP! CORPORATE OVERLORDS!!!

      I get the sense that TFA would be happier before cameraphones or facebook, when police would kill minorities regularly but since we rarely got pictures of it, we could pretend that it didn't happen.

    15. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      Where in my (very) few words above did I say I was blaming Islam (only)?

      Killing people is OK, "making" people (sex) is not.
      I blame religion.

      What other religion fits this definition? Hell, what other religion is OK with killing people?

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    16. Re:At least it's good to know FB has priorities by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things get really fun if you try to compare the argument Re: allowing depictions of violence with the arguments against violent video games.

      I've always wondered what makes the pixels from a TV much less evil than those from a computer monitor.

  4. Not a surprise... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Facebook is a private company. Facebook users' data (i.e., the "people catalog" data) are the product it sells. Facebook can do whatever it wants, and allow whatever it wants to be shown on its site.

    1. Re:Not a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They are welcome to that, but the public owns the airwaves that all mobile and wireless data use, as well as some of the wired Internet infrastructure. Turn about is fair play. Facebook can indeed do what it wants, but the public can restrict them from transmitting what they want over infrastructure and property that doesn't belong to them.

    2. Re:Not a surprise... by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Spectrum has been sold, very little wired infrastructure is publicly owned.

      Besides which, your fascist plan will fail against network neutrality.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    3. Re:Not a surprise... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...the public can restrict them from transmitting what they want over infrastructure and property that doesn't belong to them....

      Not really. Facebook is transmitted over airwaves that are leased/owned by private telecom companies. The public has little say in what these common carriers are allowed to transmit in cases like this.

    4. Re:Not a surprise... by eam · · Score: 1

      Yep.

      The correct headline should be "Facebook Decides Which Killings It Wants to Show Us"

      If you want something that Facebook doesn't offer, go elsewhere.

      If people are getting all their information through Facebook, then THAT's the real problem.

    5. Re:Not a surprise... by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      The problem is that Facebook also wants everyone to be consuming information through their interface.

      But it's a "problem" in the sense that people need to make themselves aware of that, and exercise their ability to do things like stop using Facebook. It's not one that requires a law or regulation or such (and I say that as a liberal who's not opposed to government action in cases where it makes sense - this isn't one of them). Sunlight is the disinfectant needed - that and some sense on the part of people to not buy into using a closed/locked down platform run by an unaccountable private company by its own terms, where those people (and their personal information and details of their private lives) are the product rather than the actual customer.

    6. Re:Not a surprise... by nmb3000 · · Score: 2

      Facebook is a private company.

      No, they are not. Even ignoring commonly recognized and respected social responsibilities, they are, at the very least, responsible to their shareholders (the public).

      Facebook can do whatever it wants, and allow whatever it wants to be shown on its site.

      Also not true. They must obey the law, same as anyone else.

      Reality is nuanced and multi-faceted, and sweeping generalizations are rarely insightful and usually don't add much to a discussion.

      The reason this matters has little to do with what Facebook is allowed to do, and much more to do with what they should do. For better or worse (hint: worse), Facebook has become "the Internet" to billions of people. Anytime you have such broad influence over so many, morals and good stewardship become much more important.

      --
      "What do you despise? By this are you truly known." --Princess Irulan, Manual of Muad'Dib
      /)
    7. Re:Not a surprise... by robmv · · Score: 1

      Newspaper are private companies too but we as the readers expect them to follow some ethical rules about how they publish news and we personally rate them with our trust. That Facebook is a technology company doesn't mean the people can't expect and try to exert pressure on their managers to make them ethical.

  5. Thank you FB for watching over my soul! by aglider · · Score: 1

    And my wallet! If I'm too sad I cannot spend my money the way you want!

    --
    Sent as ripples into the electromagnetic field. No single photon has been harmed in the process.
  6. Private Company by PvtVoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Newspapers can decline to cover whatever stories they wish. TV news can decline to show whatever footage they wish. Facebook is a private company, and can block whatever content it chooses to block.

    The only really scary thing here is the fact that "two thirds of Americans get their news from social media". No wonder the country is so fucked up.

    1. Re:Private Company by camargue · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Reminds me of the quote : The bigger the information media, the less courage and freedom they allow. Bigness means weakness. - Eric Sevareid . Like it or not facebook is the biggest media out there.

    2. Re:Private Company by minstrelmike · · Score: 2

      The only really scary thing here is the fact that "two thirds of Americans get their news from social media". No wonder the country is so fucked up.

      Before the internet, most people got their "news" from rags like the National Enquirer and New of the World--the top selling newspapers in America. Being stupid and being mis-informed isn't new and it isn't happening because of the internet or the world wide web or facebook or that new-fangled thang called electricity. Entertainment attracts more people than information does.

    3. Re:Private Company by Qzukk · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed.
      If you read the newspaper, you're misinformed.

      -- Mark Twain

      --
      If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
    4. Re:Private Company by Drethon · · Score: 1

      Newspapers can decline to cover whatever stories they wish. TV news can decline to show whatever footage they wish. Facebook is a private company, and can block whatever content it chooses to block.

      The only really scary thing here is the fact that "two thirds of Americans get their news from social media". No wonder the country is so fucked up.

      In other words, if you want to avoid censorship, start by not posting something someone else's server?

    5. Re:Private Company by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      The only really scary thing here is the fact that "two thirds of Americans get their news from social media". No wonder the country is so fucked up.

      Those numbers were probably pulled out of the air and don't reflect reality. Consider that probably at least 1/3 of Americans don't do social media at all - not in any form including Facebook - and then out of the ones who do, some percentage of them will not get their news from it. I have friends, family and former classmates who don't do any kind of social media and refuse to ever do it. If you're a young person and everybody you know is under 30 that may not be true, but there are tons of people over 30 who aren't interested in social media and will probably die never having used it.

    6. Re:Private Company by rholtzjr · · Score: 1
      Well, since the 80's I have seen the decline of actually reporting of the news and more of trying to promote an ideal.

      I have always thought it was the responsibility of a reporting company to actually report events and not try and influence SOME peoples beliefs and/or agenda.

      It is no wonder people are turning to other communication means for current events.

      The downside to this is if we can't trust the source of the information, how are we supposed to get the facts?

    7. Re:Private Company by barc0001 · · Score: 2

      > The only really scary thing here is the fact that "two thirds of Americans get their news from social media". No wonder the country is so fucked up.

      Because things were so much better when everyone got their news from conglomerates? Reliability of the source has been an issue for literally centuries. Back in the day, "Remember the Maine, to hell with Spain" was what Hearst shoved down everyone's throats. And today Rupert Murdoch loves to tell everyone that global warming is a myth and the Muslims are gonna get us all.

    8. Re:Private Company by PvtVoid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Back in the day, "Remember the Maine, to hell with Spain" was what Hearst shoved down everyone's throats.

      Hearst's papers also documented the Spanish concentration camps in Cuba, which were responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths.

    9. Re:Private Company by IvoryRing · · Score: 1
      You may find the wikipedia article on Jounalistic Objectivity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... to be interesting reading.

      I suspect (but don't and can't know) that your perception of "since the 80's" is more about the timeline of your own awareness of reporting than it is about any broad change in what is being written.

      Journalistic Objectivity was created in the early 1800s so that the Associated Press could sell the same product (news) to all their customers (newspapers) because they didn't feel it was economically viable to produce a product that was individualized for each customer.

      That origin doesn't mean that there is no value to 'just the facts' news from the point of view of the consumer of news - but do understand that what you 'always thought' is a standard that is impossible to actually reach for a practical news stream.

    10. Re:Private Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed and unable ask the question.
      If you read the newspaper, you're misinformed but compelled to ask the question.

      Forking Mark Twain and implementing a sentence expansion.

    11. Re:Private Company by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I was alive before the internet. I was even already "online" before the internet. But the reality is that before the internet, people got their news from "social media;" their neighbor, the guy at the barber shop, their bartender, the clerk at the neighborhood convenience store, grandpa, uncle joe, etc.

      National Enquirer was then what it is now; words and pictures in the checkout line for bored compulsive shoppers. When click-bait was checkout-bait. Didn't you notice it was right next to the checkout line candy, the "mommy, mommy, please, mommy, pleaaaaaase, mommmmmMY" stuff?

    12. Re:Private Company by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      The first lesson of the Free Press: you need a press if you want to choose what gets pressed on one of the machines.

      Freedom of the Press was fought for, and won, by people with presses.

      Facebook has a press.

      The great thing these days, anybody with a few bucks for a VPS can set up whatever digital press they want! But they do have to spend those few bucks.

    13. Re:Private Company by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      It isn't a type of question that will produce good data anyways, because a lot of people are going to say, basically, "Gosh I don't care about politics, the important news I get is about my grandkids. And I get that on facebook! Yeah, I get my news from facebook, the important stuff anyways."

      And if you narrow the question enough, well, the average person can't answer a narrowly defined question within the arbitrary parameters.

    14. Re:Private Company by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      They certainly did, but let's not pretend Hearst's motives for doing so were humanitarian in nature. To cite PBS as well:

      http://www.pbs.org/crucible/frames/_journalism.html

      "William Randolph Hearst understood that a war with Cuba would not only sell his papers, but also move him into a position of national prominence. From Cuba, Hearst's star reporters wrote stories designed to tug at the heartstrings of Americans. Horrific tales described the situation in Cuba--female prisoners, executions, valiant rebels fighting, and starving women and children figured in many of the stories that filled the newspapers. But it was the sinking of the battleship Maine in Havana Harbor that gave Hearst his big story--war. After the sinking of the Maine, the Hearst newspapers, with no evidence, unequivocally blamed the Spanish, and soon U.S. public opinion demanded intervention."

      It's worth noting that in 1976 an American naval investigation team concluded the Maine was most likely destroyed by an internal fire or accident in the ammunition room and the Spanish had nothing to do with it.

    15. Re:Private Company by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      If you get your 'question' from a bullshit report, it will almost certainly be the wrong one.

      Get your lame 'lightning bugs' off twain's lightning.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    16. Re:Private Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there's one important difference, namely that a traditional media company selects what they want to broadcast, whereas Facebook is more of a user-to-user communication platform. At some point, it becomes enough of a "communication platform" that censoring it for political gain is at the very least irresponsible. At some point, it really should almost be given common carrier status.

    17. Re:Private Company by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The question rises from the contradiction between the reality and the news report/government or corporate propaganda.

  7. What? by rebelwarlock · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Facebook is not the entire internet. Facebook is not even a significant percentage of the entire internet. It's also free to make up whatever the fuck it wants for rules. You're also free to choose whether or not to use it. Hell, you can use it and, brace yourselves now, also use other websites. I'll wait for your head to stop spinning.

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, I thought only old people used facebook these days, so who cares.

    2. Re:What? by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      You're right of course. But what really annoys me is people who complain about how dumb people are after they only use Facebook for their source of information. Facebook should be able to do whatever they want, and it follows that most people will be dumber for it so get used to living with dumb people and stop complaining about it.

      --
      Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
    3. Re:What? by medv4380 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Facebook's US user-base is about 160 Million, and the US Population is about 300 Million. So over half of the US population is on Facebook, and once you remove children too young for it it becomes ever so much easier to account for those who don't have Facebook like myself. That should be considered to be most of the US internet, and I don't so much care for the usage outside for that given this topic is a US issue not a Europe, or Asia issue. Given the Size, and function of Facebook perhaps its time to consider weather or not it should fall under the FCC Broadcast Ownership Laws meant to stop a single entity from gaining this level of control over the general population. Sure their servers and private owner ship just like a newspaper. If it's so much "Just Like A Newspaper" then treat them like it legally.

    4. Re:What? by SB5407 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Facebook is not even a significant percentage of the entire internet

      That appears to be incorrect:
      "[Facebook] drives a quarter of all web traffic."
      -http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/04/facebook-is-eating-the-internet/391766/

    5. Re: What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Don't you know ? Uber/fb etc arent regulated because *computers*

    6. Re:What? by Fire_Wraith · · Score: 1

      Is that actual individual persons though? How many of those accounts are for corporate entities, never-mind fake profiles? I'd say that the half population estimate is probably high, though it's still a significant chunk of the population (too many, if you ask me).

    7. Re:What? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      News flash: The WorldWide Web is *NOT* the Internet.

    8. Re:What? by rahvin112 · · Score: 1

      Between WWW and Streaming video you've got 99.9999% of all internet traffic. Your SSH session or video game isn't even a single percentage of internet traffic. For all intents and purposes the internet is the WWW and streaming..

    9. Re:What? by painandgreed · · Score: 1

      Between WWW and Streaming video you've got 99.9999% of all internet traffic. Your SSH session or video game isn't even a single percentage of internet traffic. For all intents and purposes the internet is the WWW and streaming..

      I'm not so sure about that. Business interfaces are a lot of automated traffic handling a lot of data 24/7/365. While most is restricted to the LAN, many businesses communicate between each other. Banks, for example, are constantly talking to each other in what would not be WWW or steaming video. Same goes for government departments, hospitals and other businesses with multiple sites, vendor/client application communication, etc. Then there's still email. However, looking around briefly, I can't really seem to find decent data on what is what.

    10. Re:What? by laddiebuck · · Score: 1

      That number would be Monthly Active Users - real users who have logged in within the last 30 days, as reported in their public filings. Big companies take a lot of care to filter out fakes/duplicates/etc when reporting that number.

  8. ... on Facebook, because it's their platform. by JoeDuncan · · Score: 2

    Seems there's a typo in the title, the above text was left out.

  9. Fire the Slashdot editors. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "as they happen very often time after a questionable content is streamed"

    Fire the Slashdot editors.

  10. Back in Grandpa's Day by retroworks · · Score: 2

    Newspaper editors never did this, right?

    --
    Gently reply
    1. Re:Back in Grandpa's Day by bobbied · · Score: 1

      (sarcasim)

      Oh no, they didn't.... And don't forget we USED to have the "fairness doctrine" for media outlets too..

      (/sarcasim..)

      --
      "File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
    2. Re:Back in Grandpa's Day by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Actually, they didn't. Not unless you consider changing the stories in the next edition the same thing. And given that this is user contributed material (that would be a "letters to the editor" equivalent), that was what was expected to happen. So again, it's not at all the same thing.

      This is more like editing a rebroadcast of a news program, and claiming that it's unchanged. Again there are significant differences. You aren't going to find anything really equivalent to Facebook(tm) before computers. The closest is probably the billboards allowing public posting inside some grocery stores. And there anyone might remove anything that was posted. So even that's not a close match.

      So I've got to say that "This never happened back in Grandpa's Day.".

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  11. Two Parts by Infiniti2000 · · Score: 2

    There are two distinct parts to this topic:

    1. Is Facebook inappropriately censoring our videos?
    2. Is Facebook simply trying to cover their ass for a lawsuit?

    Note that FB has usage rights and they could censor stuff, and they do. They block terrorist propaganda, for example. The question here is should it be an all or nothing, or as-decided-by-FB? Regarding the lawsuits, note that in the U.S. there are number of protections on media reporting of minors (as an example). If FB allows such reporting unfiltered, can they be held accountable? I would hope not, but it depends on what the court would agree.

  12. Jayne Mansfield Scalped by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Head was cut clean off. That shot was in all the papers. It would not show on Law and Order:SVU, some 50 years later, and that shows some really nasty sickening things.

    1. Re:Jayne Mansfield Scalped by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      A shot might have been in some papers. But the story at the time was her wig flew off her head. The picture is so grainy you can't tell what it is.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  13. What happened to the OpenWatch droid ap?? by laurencetux · · Score: 1

    a while back there was an ap you could get for your phone that was just for this kind of thing.

    where did it vanish to??

  14. Simple algorithm by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 0

    If CopOnBlackViolence = True Then
    Video.Delete
    fi

    1. Re:Simple algorithm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to say the other way around.

      Black cop shoots white guy and nobody cares. When was the last time that made the news?

  15. ALRIGHT! We get it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    facebook spoon feeds news to its subscribers.

    You know, I've gotten incredibly cynical these last few years. If I see somewhere - anywhere - in the media that the sky is blue, I will stick my head out the window to check.

    For issues that really concern me, I am on constant fact checking - as best I can. There are some issues like human caused global warming that I don't have the background for nor the time (or intelligence) to achieve one. I have to rely on folks at Discover, Science and Scientific American to dumb it down for me to understand.

    I have to rely on trust here.

    I do have an elementary understanding of non-linear dynamical systems and thermodynamics. But to say to someone who has made their life study that stuff that their right or wrong is beyond me.

    It's just sickening that uneducated pundits are believed while scientists who spent the years of study, data gathering and scientific discipline are basically called frauds - all over politics.

    And as Princton found out ...our analyses suggest that majorities of the American public actually have little influence over the policies our government adopts.

    1. Re: ALRIGHT! We get it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not surprised with Princeton's findings, as something like 90% of things I've voted for have gone against me.

    2. Re:ALRIGHT! We get it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      their right or wrong is beyond me.

      I meant "they ARE right or wrong is beyond me."

      At least a temporary time frame to edit? Please Slasdhot? (left that in on purpose)

      Waiting to edit 120 seconds now .....

      Slashdot's algorithms can detect the content on my post with a nice appropriate CAPTCHA but can't let me edit early to correct?

  16. Facebook is a newspaper. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All newspapers have editors and agendas, no matter how many contributors.

    The freedom of the press has always belonged to the owners of the presses.

  17. Where do you _really_ get your news? by berchca · · Score: 1

    Before we fall into minority hysteria over Facebook mind control, it's important to note that the control of news has been in upheaval since the rise of the internet. And if social media is bias, its biggest competitor--whoever's flashy headline reaches the top of search engine results--is even more so. The internet has given us the means to insulate our selves from detracting opinions at a level that rivals--or perhaps mirrors--the days of isolated, like-minded communities. It has also given us unprecedented ability to seek out news from a reliable, (reasonably) unbiased source.

    If there to be any indignancy about the way that Facebook presents news, it should be directed at those who choose to use it for news, and hopefully take the form of encouraging them to do better.

  18. FB is dead to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just airing my 2 cents.

  19. And which company doesn't.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    censor what is posted within their domain?

    Newspapers (Chicago Trib, Sun Times, NY Times, Miami Herald, LA Times, WSJ, Washington Post) - etc. all do.
    TV - ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX.. heck, even PBS does..

    The censorship is a combination of intentional (only so much space, or not pertinent to our viewership), business (will is sell or not sell?), or biases (I'm 'Right or Left leaning' - I don't want to 'confuse' my readership with with contrary messages.)

    They are a private company and can do, promote, say as they see fit. Absolutely no different than a store having a 'public board' where someone can post a business card, ad for the school play, or help finding a lost cat. It is also no different than statements by Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, or Bill Maher.

    The public gets to decide whether to frequent their business or not. Definitely not a role of the government.

    In other words - this is one that is decided in the Court of Public Opinion, not in a Court of Law - they are protected by1st Amendment in the US. Outside the US... that's a different story.

    Fred In IT

    1. Re:And which company doesn't.... by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Censoring their own site is one thing if they admit to doing it, and something else if they lie about what's going on.
      IIUC, exercising this kind of control over what's available makes them legally liable for everything that gets posted. Some DA ought to test that.

      --

      I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  20. Facebook is NOT the only online social media by gurps_npc · · Score: 1

    If they make a mistake and refuse to show something, there are many other options to post your stuff.

    If it is truly newsworthy, one of the others will publicize it, and Facebook will be the one that bears most of the consequences of their mistake.

    Story is not interesting, or worth commenting on (except to say that it is not worth commenting on). Never should have been greenlit

    --
    excitingthingstodo.blogspot.com
    1. Re:Facebook is NOT the only online social media by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      There's no evidence a "mistake" was made. Those outraged over another dead innocent are throwing anger at Facebook for a 'technical glitch" in a new feature. Facebook has indicated it was a "technical" error, and not a censorship error.

      But, in the conservative groups, like Slashdot, the row over the inaccessibility of the video gets covered more than the dead guy shown in it.

    2. Re:Facebook is NOT the only online social media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "you're holding it wrong" defence. How much does FB pays you?

    3. Re:Facebook is NOT the only online social media by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      They pay me $1,000,000 per lie told in their support. $0 so far.

  21. Facebook is not the problem here by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    The problem is that too many people are using it and expecting it to conform to whatever they want it to be. It is their website, they can do what they want with it. Similarly if you created a video that you want people to see, you have the right to take it wherever you want. If one site doesn't want to show it the way you want it shown, take it somewhere else. People treat facebook as if it is the entire fucking web; they have this power only because people have given it to them (intentionally or not).

    --
    Damn_registrars has no butt-hole. Damn_registrars has no use for a butt-hole.
  22. Developers by darkain · · Score: 5, Informative

    If you're a software engineer or a system administrator, you probably already know exactly what the technical glitches are. People are trying to throw a shitfit without understanding technology. "Facebook" isn't just a single server with a single purpose. Information has to be distributed from the content source to the content consumers. If an account normally has a reach of 5-10 viewers, it is easy to have them stream internally though a single server that is handling several streams at once. They are shoved on this particular data delivery path based on past low viewer counts... then all of a sudden they stream something that hits a 100k+ reach? Yes, the content then needs to be moved to high capacity and more dedicated servers. This isn't an instant process. The easiest explanation to the laymen is a "technical glitch", because how many people outside of technology even know what a server or routing digital data even is? This exact scenario DOES happen with other content too, but only when it involves something controversial does it become a conspiracy and censorship theory. A great example of other content that has had this exact issue was the selfie taken at the Grammys that had overf 1,000,000 shares. Yes, that took out an entire Twitter datacenter. Not just a server, the whole datacenter went offline for some time.

    1. Re:Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here just to say this. Occam's razor suggests it's correct. Backed up by the fact that the video wasn't taken down, as it would have been had the "glitch" been intentional censorship.

    2. Re:Developers by tepples · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If the glitch is due to a video being slashdotted, then the complaint becomes Facebook's lack of transparency about the cause. I imagine that a notice to the following effect might have been better received: "This video has become incredibly popular. Please wait a moment while we prepare to handle the crowd."

    3. Re:Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so you're saying that what might have happened is similar to when a site would get affected by a DDOS or the "slashdot effect"

    4. Re:Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed.
      What I find astonishing is the large numbers of posters in Slashdot that seem to be unaware that the Slashdot effect applies to other sites as well and is the likely explanation for these FB's glitches.

      No, wait a sec ... On second thought, I do not find it astonishing.

    5. Re:Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That twitter issue wasn't moving the video to another server, but a specific piece of data (think a DB row) being queried by almost every web server they had at the same time. It was a flaw in their persistence layer. Still a technical glitch but not the one you described. The cause of this is really that twitter (and most other web site) is designed for low latency and other design considerations are often overlooked or ignored in the drive to squeeze latency numbers. This is because latency can be directly correlated with user behavior. So designing an architecture to handle a rare situation like what happens when everyone shares the same picture are ignored in favor of designing for lower latency.

    6. Re:Developers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't understand.Why would twitter shutdown a datacenter just to censor a single photo? What else are they trying to hide?

  23. nonsense by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    facebook isn't deciding anything. there are hundreds of places to post your videos, and it's virtually pennies to spin up your own web-site and host a few videos on your own infrestructure.

    second, it's been a long time since we've had public blood sports and hangings and executions. Does anyone want to see crimes live? No news media outlet has shown that kind of stuff in my lifetime. I have no desire to see it either.

    It's not censorship just because facebook takes it down. Censorship is about ensuring that a person doesn't see it. Facebook is simply culturing their own environment, saying that such content won't be in this one place. That's not censorship any more than no-shirt, no-shoes, no-service. That's not censoring bare feet; it's just running a restaurant; you can be barefoot elsewhere.

    I won't let you have sex in my home, by the way. I'm not censoring sex. I'm controlling my household. You've got your own household.

  24. Regulate Facebook as a public utility by Kohath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's the all-purpose solution to every complaint. Also, I'm sure Facebook supports this sort of regulation elsewhere. Why not apply it where it's needed most?

  25. de-facto bullshit. by geekmux · · Score: 1

    "...Facebook has become the de-facto platform for such controversial videos..."

    And how the hell did anyone come up with this, as if YouTube suddenly disappeared overnight?

    Give me a break. The world does not revolve around one social media platform. I wish more Facebook narcissists would realize that.

    1. Re:de-facto bullshit. by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      I wish more Facebook narcissists would realize that.

      But people really do care about the inane shit I post, or is that shit post.

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      Time to offend someone
    2. Re:de-facto bullshit. by tepples · · Score: 1

      And how the hell did anyone come up with this, as if YouTube suddenly disappeared overnight?

      Facebook: "Welcome to Facebook"
      YouTube: "The site youtube.com does not participate in your plan's zero rating program. Your account has 0 MB remaining. To continue to youtube.com, please enter your payment information."

  26. Zuckerberg is a Republican... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so of course he deletes content that put those racist thugs in blue look bad. He wants the cops to beat minorities, like the rest of his Republican kind. That's how those people be.

    1. Re: Zuckerberg is a Republican... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why he has security at Facebook randomly beat black people.

    2. Re: Zuckerberg is a Republican... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And why he has security at Facebook randomly beat black people.

      If they're beating black people, then it's not random.

  27. Suburb of MINNEAPOLIS - not Minnesota! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stated do not have suburbs - cities do...I guess fly over country doesnt matter to the editors around here, but they would never refer to a town just outside San Francisco or San Jose as a "suburb of California"! Can we get the same consideration out here?

  28. ... on Facebook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook decides what we're allowed to see on Facebook. Why would anyone expect someone else to be in charge of Facebook?

  29. Folks, have your license and registration ready by Solandri · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not that I'm defending the shooting, but by now everyone knows what the police officer will want when they pull you over. Get your license out of your wallet and registration/insurance out of the glove compartment, and have them ready in your hands while the officer is walking towards your car. If it's night, turn your dome light on so he can see inside the car.

    I was pulled over one night for speeding, and happened to have my camera tripod on the passenger seat. The officer asked what it was, and I made the mistake of reaching over to grab it so he could get a better view. Out of the corner of my eye, I saw the officer reach for his gun. They are extremely jumpy about any sudden movements with your hands. Leave your hands in sight at all times, like on the steering wheel.

    As for Facebook, what probably happened is when you upload a video it gets put onto a single server that happens to host your FB wall. If the video goes viral, it needs to be moved to a higher capacity server or server farm, to better handle the load.

    1. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Kohath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about we stop having panicky gunmen micromanage everyone's driving?

    2. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As for Facebook, what probably happened is when you upload a video it gets put onto a single server that happens to host your FB wall. If the video goes viral, it needs to be moved to a higher capacity server or server farm, to better handle the load.

      I'd agree with you if it weren't for the warning added to the video after the"technical glitch"

    3. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The guy supposedly complied with every command from the cop, and ended up dead.

      My dad is a retired cop, he told me the best thing to do was keep my hands on top of the steering wheel until the cop is at your window and asks for your ID. They don't want you reaching over and grabbing something without them watching. Their first assumption in that situation is that you're reaching for a gun.

      I'm glad we lived in a more rural area with little violent crime and that he's been retired for over 10 years now.. there is almost no trust between the public and law enforcement, and that goes both ways. You could have 99 cops do a great job, and 1 incident like this to ruin it for everyone.

    4. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by ljw1004 · · Score: 2

      Not that I'm defending the shooting, but by now everyone knows what the police officer will want when they pull you over. Get your license out of your wallet and registration/insurance out of the glove compartment, and have them ready in your hands while the officer is walking towards your car.

      Leave your hands in sight at all times, like on the steering wheel.

      Those two things you've said are self-contradictory. If the police officer comes over, is the officer going to see you rummaging in your glovebox for your registration (and think you're reaching for a gun)? Or is the officer going to see you with your hands in sight at all times?

    5. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So the benefit of American gun culture is that police offers have to behave like pussies when they pull people over?

    6. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Xrikcus · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Is that a reasonable assumption? For the first couple of years I lived in the US I don't think it was obvious to me that I should even stay in the car when pulled over. When if my wallet was in my bag in the back of the car? No reason to take it into the front just in case I'm pulled over, after all, especially when you come from a part of the world that has no requirement to carry identification in the car in the first place. Certainly back in the UK I wouldn't assume I couldn't leave the car. This peculiar interaction where the driver has to follow careful rules that are only practically spread through word of mouth and watching TV shows, just in case the cop gets nervous, isn't really optimal, and I don't think assuming that "everyone knows" is a reasonable view of the world..

    7. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're right, but there is some variation.

      Turning on the dome light is always welcome by the cops, but a number of them don't want to see you climbing around in the car while they're walking up.

      In my big car, getting to the glove compartment requires unbuckling my seat belt and some climbing over the console, and I want to cop to see me with my belt buckled when he steps up.

      One thing some women do is place their pocketbook behind the driver's seat. This is bad because they can't get to their license without getting out of the car.
      You do not want to get out of the car unless the cop tells you to. Even then, you don't want to, but you should do what he asks.

    8. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by bobbied · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Put yourself in the Cop's shoes and THINK about what they are concerned about, preferably in advance, and don't do anything stupid and you are very unlikely to get shot. Here are my rules.

      1. Limit movements as much as possible when the cop is near the car (both you and your passengers). Get your license, insurance card and registration out onto the dash if you can before they arrive but be sure to be ready to sit still before they approach. Have EVERYBODY in the car put their empty hands in their laps and sit quietly. STAY IN THE CAR, unless instructed otherwise and turn off that radio.

      2. Make sure the officer can see as much as possible. Turn on interior lights, roll down your tinted windows.

      3. IF you need to move or reach for something, ASK PERMISSION. "Sir, my insurance card is in the center console. May I reach for it?" Then announce what you are doing "OK, I'm going to get my insurance card out of the center console now."

      4. No matter what the cop tells you to do, COMPLY, even if you don't think the cop is acting lawfully. If you are one of those who has purposed not to consent to any searches, refuse the 'may I look in your trunk?" requests with a polite "No officer, I do not consent to a search of my trunk" but ALWAYS be respectful, nonthreatening and compliant as much as you can. If you really believe the officer is in the wrong, complain LATER.

      5. Remember that the officer usually just wants to walk away from the traffic stop alive. And that this is one of the most dangerous thing they do. If you go out of your way to keep the officer feeling safe, by showing your hands, moving slow and not being threatening in your attitude you will make their day that much easier. An officer who is more relaxed is more likely to let you go with a warning too, so who knows, all your efforts may pay off.

      I remember a time when I got pulled over in the dead of night with 5 people in a 69VW Bug. I stopped, turned on the dome light and had to tell a girl in the back to keep quiet (she was going off about how unfair it was I got pulled over). It was cold and I had my winter jacket on. There was no way I was going to get my driver's license out while sitting in the car so I explained to the officer the issue. I asked if I could get out of my car. He gave me permission and I got out, stood facing away from him and pulled my wallet from my back pocket and my license from it. I showed him both hands before I turned around and wasn't surprised that he had his weapon in hand. I let him approach me to get the license. Where I think I deserved the ticket, he didn't write one. But I could have been easily been shot because that kind of stop is incredibly dangerous tor cops, dead of night, car full of people, some 6'6" guy in a long coat reaching into his back pocket. I kept him as comfortable as I could by being as non-threatening as I could and I think it paid off for me.

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    9. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by swb · · Score: 1

      Get your license out of your wallet and registration/insurance out of the glove compartment, and have them ready in your hands while the officer is walking towards your car. If it's night, turn your dome light on so he can see inside the car.

      That's how you get shot. You turn on your hazard lights, you pull over and you put both hands on the steering wheel at 10 and 2 and do NOTHING until the cop walks to your car.

      When he asks you for something, you tell him where it is and that you need to reach/move to get it and is he OK with that. You do it slowly and deliberately and one step at a time.

      You start digging around in your car before he's come to your window to talk to you? Of course you're hiding evidence, you're grabbing a weapon, you're doing everything that justifies having your brains blown out.

    10. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by swillden · · Score: 2

      Not that I'm defending the shooting, but by now everyone knows what the police officer will want when they pull you over. Get your license out of your wallet and registration/insurance out of the glove compartment, and have them ready in your hands while the officer is walking towards your car.

      No, don't do this.

      Context: I'm a concealed carry instructor, and what I'm going to say is from the training I received from the state police when I got certified as an instructor.

      Per the state police, here's what the cops want you to do when you're pulled over: Put your car in park, turn off the ignition and put your hands where they can see them. On the wheel, or on the dash -- or if you think the officer might have some particular reason to be worried, put them out the window. When the officer approaches, do not move your hands except as specifically requested. Don't rummage around in the glove box or anywhere else while the officer is approaching -- he has no way to know if you're getting your registration or a weapon. When he asks for your registration, tell him where it is before you reach for it and keep your movements reasonably slow and deliberate. No need to make a big production out of it, but avoid rapid, jerky movements.

      If it's night, turn your dome light on so he can see inside the car.

      Yes, that is a good suggestion.

      Also, just for completeness, if you do have a concealed carry permit, know whether or not local law requires you to inform the officer. In my state (Utah) there is no legal obligation, but odds are he'll know (from running your plate) before he approaches, so it's a good idea to say something like "Officer, as a courtesy I want to inform you that I have Utah Concealed Firearm Permit and I am (or am not, as appropriate) armed." At least in my area, this generally makes the police quite happy with you. Most of them are big fans of lawful citizen carry, and it also means they know that you don't have a criminal record.

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    11. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      From what I read, he only told the cop he was armed _as_ he was reaching for his wallet.

      If that's true, it IS what killed him.

      And that makes all kinds of sense. If he had told the cop he was armed, the cop would have first secured the weapon, not asked for his ID.

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    12. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      How about we stop having panicky gunmen micromanage everyone's driving?

      OK. Will you personally stop the people who shoot cops in the face when they're pulled over for having invalid tags, and for driving drunk or recklessly? You've got that all under control so that the police dealing with assholes all day long for a living won't have a single concern about getting killed because someone's driving on a highway at night with no lights on?

      Thanks for stepping up and preventing all of those assaults and murders. The cops will be hugely relieved that their lives are no longer at risk when they walk up to a car having no idea what they're about to encounter. You're a hero! Appreciate that.

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    13. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by jittles · · Score: 1

      Also, just for completeness, if you do have a concealed carry permit, know whether or not local law requires you to inform the officer. In my state (Utah) there is no legal obligation, but odds are he'll know (from running your plate) before he approaches, so it's a good idea to say something like "Officer, as a courtesy I want to inform you that I have Utah Concealed Firearm Permit and I am (or am not, as appropriate) armed." At least in my area, this generally makes the police quite happy with you. Most of them are big fans of lawful citizen carry, and it also means they know that you don't have a criminal record.

      I know a retired police officer who teaches safety courses for concealed weapons permits in Florida. He recommends that you only volunteer such info to a police officer if retrieving your license or registration could reveal the firearm. But if they ask, do not lie about whether you have a weapon as lying to the police is illegal in every state (I believe). Obviously that may vary by jurisdiction. He said that they train state officers to immediately call for backup and have you sit there until another officer can help them disarm you prior to handling your stop. But for your own safety it is better to tell the officer that you have a gun than risk them finding that out by observation.

      In any event, when I have been pulled over I have typically turned on my dome light, lower the windows on both sides of the car so that they can approach either (or both) sides at their convenience, and keep my hands open, palm down, with my wrists resting on the top of the steering wheel in plain sight. Lowering the windows is especially important if your state allows you to tint all of the side windows.

    14. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      Absolutely. Back when, usually you'd get out of the car, perhaps walk over to the police and discuss whatever the issue was. Or, more commonly, be rooting around for lic and reg. No big deal. Watch any TV show pre-80's and those were the routines (White mode only; other modes vary).

      Then there were huge spikes in cops being shot, and the populace was at war with them, so the police had to fight back. SWAT was created. Military tactics against the civilian insurgent population were needed to save the police. (fyi, I sort of made this up, but, hey, got to have "reasons", so...).

      Come the 80's, and I get stopped for a minor infraction. Ended up with a 45 aimed at me, then a ticket.

      That's when I realized that the object of "To protect and serve" was no longer the public.

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    15. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by sysrammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Lowering the windows is especially important if your state allows you to tint all of the side windows."

      This is a good suggestion, and I will incorporate it into my submission routine.

      Too bad there's no way to remove the tint from our skins during a traffic stop.

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    16. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have 99 cops do a great job, and 1 incident like this to ruin it for everyone.

      It's not 1 incident like this that ruins it for everyone.

      It's how any incident repeatedly is handled by the other 99.

      Everyone knows that the real problem never are the bad/abusive/corrupt/racist/... cops but all the rest that do nothing enabling them. Or worse try to protect them by any means. Even against all the evidence instead of "Protect and serve" the people as all of them promised and for what we pay their wages and benefits.

    17. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by swillden · · Score: 1

      I know a retired police officer who teaches safety courses for concealed weapons permits in Florida. He recommends that you only volunteer such info to a police officer if retrieving your license or registration could reveal the firearm.

      Yeah, know your local laws and practices.

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    18. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's already been proven the police have no duty to protect any individual. They had the foresight to not mention "what" was being protected or served.

      The answer is "the government and economic future of America". I don't think it ever was the public.

    19. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Will you personally stop the people who shoot cops in the face when they're pulled over for having invalid tags, and for driving drunk or recklessly?

      Do you know how often that actually happens? It's several orders of magnitude less common than unjustified shootings of drivers by police during traffic stops.

      Most on-the-job police deaths are due to single car collisions (they crash into something), multiple car collisions, and heart attacks. They're jumpy and panicky because they're poorly trained idiots, not because their job is dangerous.

    20. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't need a reason to behave like pussies; it's a fundamental part of their character. Police are shot so rarely during traffic stops that it may as well not even happen. They're jumpy because they're high on power and itching for a reason to bully someone with their gun (or even better get to shoot someone!!).

    21. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      Only thing slightly off about what you're saying ... SWAT was a TV show from 1975.

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    22. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Cop is a relatively dangerous job. Just not nearly as dangerous as gardener, roofer or machinist. An order of magnitude safer than deep sea fisherman.

      The main danger of being a cop is 'rotted soul'. Near 100% are affected.

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    23. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by jwhitener · · Score: 1

      No matter what the cop tells you to do, COMPLY, even if you don't think the cop is acting lawfully.

      I was just thinking about that an hour ago. Comply now, sue later. Simple. And I would assume if you were a race that is often targeted by police, 'comply now, sue later' would be burned into your brain.

      But it seems to me that the people who are not complying, are not rational people. This could be due to a mental illness or other factors beyond their control. At that point, the cop's training is the only thing standing between a harmless encounter and a deadly encounter.

      And it is pretty clear that officers need more training dealing with the mentally ill. A guilty pleasure of mine is watching that show 'cops'. I think I lose brain cells watching it... but I do. It is so clear to me that tons of suspects are mentally ill, and the officer is treating them as if their brain is functioning properly. A lot of the time, it almost appears as if the officers are getting enjoyment from running mental laps around the suspects logic. "Why'd you run?", "I was scared". "you know you shouldn't be scared of the cops right?", "but I was scared". "Well now you've got a bunch of extra charges, so that was silly of you, next time don't run", silence. (Yeah, and I know 90% of the time people run it is to get rid of evidence.. I'm referring to the 10%).
           

    24. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My info is several years old and is only one anecdote, but in a state like Arizona where open carry is allowed while driving, one time I was pulled over and was open carrying, I kept my hands on the wheel, and when the officer came up I said in a very calm voice, "Good afternoon, sir. I don't want to alarm you at all, but I do want to let you know that I am carrying a gun on my belt in open carry." He dropped quite casually into a ready stance and calmly replied, "Oh, that's quite alright. Do you mind turning it over to me for the duration of this stop?" I replied, "Absolutely no problem at all. As I said, it's on my belt and belted in. May I take my belt loose to remove the holster?" and he said yes and I did so *very* slowly and held the holstered gun to him barrel first. After he secured it in back of his belt he had me get my license and registration, and he ended up letting me go.

      At least, when I lived in the central deserts twenty years ago (and I'm white, so there could well be a difference there,) I'd second that being calm and waiting on the officer's directions go a LONG way towards not getting one shot. (Counterbalanced by the occasional idiot cop who pepper sprays without warning or cause and isn't fired....)

    25. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      "Lowering the windows is especially important if your state allows you to tint all of the side windows."

      Also, my car has electric windows, so I'd want to open my driver's window before turning off my engine. It would suck if the cop thought I was trying to flee because I had to start the car to roll down the window.

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    26. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great write up, and seemingly good steps to take. But they're written from an older, wisened person who understands what professional LEO go through.

      >"... the officer usually just wants to walk away from the traffic stop alive... If you go out of your way to keep the officer feeling safe... all your efforts may pay off. "

      While they may seem obvious to some, your descriptions on #5 take a heck of a lot of self-reflection to for the average Joe/Jane to consider themselves the potential threat and therefore accomidate an approaching officer. Not saying drivers should act crazy or disrespectful, but just normal behavious such as digging in the glove compartment or keeping windows rolled up (as they are all the time), do not qualify as threatening from most drivers' perspective. What you've written, and what the police want, is total lock-up on peoples' movements- total exposure to vehicle's interior at a distance, and total quiet unless asked things.

      Now, again, this seems reasonable from a professional LEO's perspective but it's not intuitive to drivers. Drivers are not constantly living a life of anxiety about their life being on the line, which conversely, is what the LEO 'can' bring with them to the stop. It is up to the driver to be courteous & compliant but it IS up to LEOs to bring coolness to the vehicle... acting jumpy will make the passengers jumpy.

      I'll never forget the jumpy cop who pulled me over (cut corner too closely & tire went off road so he checked to see if I was drunk which I was not). Instead of rummaging through my glovebox ahead of time I smartly waited, (less my bending around in the car be misunderstood). Well when he asked me to retrieve required docs from the glovebox he nevertheless snapped his pistol right out to me, aiming at my torso. It was up to me to be cool.

      Your writeup is good, but remember if this entire laundry list of behaviours, non-movement, yes/no answers is what's expected then local stations need to start giving classes. Because that's a LOT for young or any one really to consider. The police are trained to respond to things we don't even know re things. They should share some tips with the driving public instead of us learning it from movies or news. Your writeup may help, but it should be a class. It really should.

    27. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      Not that I'm defending the shooting, but by now everyone knows what the police officer will want when they pull you over. Get your license out of your wallet and registration/insurance out of the glove compartment, and have them ready in your hands while the officer is walking towards your car.

      In my State they warn you not to try to prepare any documents until asked, because reaching around inside your car could "create a misunderstanding."

    28. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Aighearach · · Score: 1

      I would actually prefer an unarmed person in a traffic patrol car simply scan my plate and have the computer send me a ticket in the mail, with a login code if I want want to go to the website and view what I did wrong, and their description of what I should have done instead.

      There is absolutely no reason for a person with a normal vehicle, with unobscured license plates, to need a jumpy guy with a gun to come and stand in a vulnerable position next to their car... for a minor traffic violation. It is complete idiocy.

    29. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Cop is a relatively dangerous job.

      For the vast majority of cops, any danger on the job only comes from the fact that they're sedentary and spend a lot of time in traffic. Jobs that involve moving in traffic more, like truck driver, cab driver, garbage collector, etc, end up being considerably more dangerous than police work and that's primarily because of the greater exposure to traffic.

      The main danger of being a cop is 'rotted soul'. Near 100% are affected.

      I think that a lot of them already have that affliction on the way in. There are a few good reasons to want to be a cop and a whole lot of bad reasons.

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    30. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by ScentCone · · Score: 1

      For the vast majority of cops, any danger on the job only comes from the fact that they're sedentary and spend a lot of time in traffic.

      Yup, because if they ate more protein, less carbs, and worked out more, they'd definitely be faster than a bullet. Or able to withstand being crushed by a car. If cops weren't so lazy, they'd be immortal, and that would mean that people who try to kill them would be fine and should be left to do whatever they want. Thanks for the insight! I wonder if you personally could stand, say, one week of dealing with dangerous drivers and insane domestic violence - just those two specialties. Would you be comfortable walking up to dark cars in the middle of the night, after running tags and finding outstanding warrants or a laundry list of known gang affiliates associated with the car's owner? No? Why not?

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    31. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Kohath · · Score: 1

      If it were up to me, no police officer would ever be hurt enforcing license tab laws or stopping someone for any other minor driving offense -- those laws would either be repealed or enforced by sending the vehicle owner a ticket in the mail. That would leave more manpower available to safely arrest drunk drivers and truly reckless drivers, and to catch murderers and other real criminals.

      How many cops and drivers need to be killed before we rethink the way we do things?

    32. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by goose-incarnated · · Score: 2

      Not that I'm defending the shooting, but by now everyone knows what the police officer will want when they pull you over. Get your license out of your wallet and registration/insurance out of the glove compartment, and have them ready in your hands while the officer is walking towards your car. If it's night, turn your dome light on so he can see inside the car.

      What country is this? I'm in South Africa, I get pulled over perhaps twice a month, sometimes four times a month (happened just yesterday), so in my lifetime I've been pulled over well over a hundred times.

      Sometimes I get out the car, a few times I got into an argument with the cop simply out of boredom. At night I don't turn the dome light on. I don't bother with keeping my hands on the wheel, I'm normally outside the car digging in my pockets (looking for my license) before the cop approaches. A few times I had to open the boot (before the cop even arrived at the car) to find my license in my luggage.

      I do all this in a country with perhaps 4-5 times the homicide rate of the US, we are well-used to violence, and yet not once did any of the 100+ cops who stopped me think that I was a danger to them. They did not draw, they did not fire.

      Maybe it's just me. Any other South Africans here want to comment on your experiences?

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    33. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I'm not quite sure what you think I was saying, but very little of your response has anything to do with what I actually said...

      The vast majority of cops spend their workday seated in vehicles in traffic or at desks, which is the dictionary definition of sedentary (I'm not joking, look it up). There's no value judgement associated with that fact and it doesn't mean that they're lazy any more than every other sedentary job holding worker is lazy. It is just as dangerous for cops as it is for office workers, though, and it is responsible for many deaths of police.

      I sure didn't mean to get your panties all in a bunch but I'm not going to pretend that all cops are fine people just because a tiny minority of them put their life on the line. I've known a good number of cops over the years and the best of them left the force or were handling investigations. The guys pulling their guns out at every traffic stop in suburbia are just assholes and you don't need to make excuses for them. They were assholes before they became cops and they just like being able to bark at people and wave their guns around.

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    34. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by quantaman · · Score: 1

      Put yourself in the Cop's shoes and THINK about what they are concerned about, preferably in advance, and don't do anything stupid and you are very unlikely to get shot.

      It's good advice but misses the point.

      As a white person I can violate one or more of those rules and I'm still very unlikely to get shot.

      As a black or hispanic person I need to follow those rules to the letter or, like Philando Castile, my odds of getting shot will sky-rocket.

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    35. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No car, no problem. Personal automobiles are consistently used as a tool against their owners by the "authorities".

      As soon as I grew up enough to figure that out, I got rid of my car posthaste.

      I think most people would be amazed at how much more freedom you have by not owning a car.

      No car, no cellphone and no credit card. The freedom from oppression is fucking great man. People only think they need these things. They really do not.

    36. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by bobbied · · Score: 1

      Put yourself in the Cop's shoes and THINK about what they are concerned about, preferably in advance, and don't do anything stupid and you are very unlikely to get shot.

      It's good advice but misses the point.

      As a white person I can violate one or more of those rules and I'm still very unlikely to get shot.

      As a black or hispanic person I need to follow those rules to the letter or, like Philando Castile, my odds of getting shot will sky-rocket.

      And how do you propose we FIX that issue? I can think of three ways... (Assuming we really intend to do law enforcement and don't want to just fire all the cops out there..)

      1. Roast all the cops, condemn them all because some segments of the population seem to be shot at by cops more often and send them to hours of diversity and sensitivity training -- Not going to help at all. If I'm a cop, part of my job is coming home ALIVE at the end of my shift, so if I see a lawful reason to use deadly force because my life is in possible danger, I'm still going to pull my weapon and fire, regardless of what you say. I'd rather be UNEMPLOYED than DEAD.

      2. Mount protests and fire up segments of the population and do all you can to stir up civil unrest over something, stage riots even. (Remember Ferguson MO?) - Again Absolutely NOT helpful at all. This just foments bad attitudes towards police officers, destroys the property of the innocent and causes more folks to get shot. Why? Because you end up having MORE confrontations with bigger attitudes. More folks start to not trust the police and stupidly act out their distrust and disrespect. This results in more violent confrontations and shootings.

      3. Use these incidents as a way to educate the public about how to handle interactions with police and how to effectively air their grievances about how they are policed without upping their chances of having a negative outcome. THIS is the only EFFECTIVE solution here if you think about it.

      So, where I'm agreeing that it can be unfair at times for some segments of the population, I'm saying that the BEST solution for all involved is to ratchet DOWN the rhetoric, clamp down on the attitude and employ the proper channels at the proper time to deal with cops who are a bit too severe. Less people will die (cops and citizens). It's just plain STUPID to be trying to go toe to toe with ANYBODY with a gun, regardless of WHY they are bothering you. Be compliant polite and respectful, regardless of your skin tone, and you can drastically reduce your chances of a bad outcome in an interaction with police so don't be STUPID here. If it's unfair, live to complain about it later by not giving *any* possible reason to be seen as a threat.

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    37. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by quantaman · · Score: 2

      And how do you propose we FIX that issue? I can think of three ways... (Assuming we really intend to do law enforcement and don't want to just fire all the cops out there..)

      1. Roast all the cops, condemn them all because some segments of the population seem to be shot at by cops more often and send them to hours of diversity and sensitivity training -- Not going to help at all.

      Actually not a bad idea. While there are only a few "bad apples" the police culture is to accommodate and protect those bad apples.

      The problem isn't police protecting themselves, in the majority of these incidents there's virtually no hint of danger for the officers, it comes from police officers being able to use force, including deadly force, with basically no consequence.

      Police culture needs to change.

      2. Mount protests and fire up segments of the population and do all you can to stir up civil unrest over something, stage riots even. (Remember Ferguson MO?) - Again Absolutely NOT helpful at all. This just foments bad attitudes towards police officers, destroys the property of the innocent and causes more folks to get shot. Why? Because you end up having MORE confrontations with bigger attitudes. More folks start to not trust the police and stupidly act out their distrust and disrespect. This results in more violent confrontations and shootings.

      Not protesting wasn't particularly helpful either. There's a short term increase in tension but the goal is to create enough of a political issue that significant changes are made.

      3. Use these incidents as a way to educate the public about how to handle interactions with police and how to effectively air their grievances about how they are policed without upping their chances of having a negative outcome. THIS is the only EFFECTIVE solution here if you think about it.

      I'm gonna guess you're white (as am I) because that's an almost completely useless solution.

      Asking a black if they know how to act around police is like asking a white person if they know the lyrics to Y.M.C.A.

      They know they're regularly confronted by police and if they don't act properly they can end up dead.

      There's two big problems with the "educate the public" solution.

      1) You're putting the responsibility on members of the public who have only occasional interactions and can easily screw up. Supposedly this guy was following your rules fairly well. We don't know the exact scenario but seemingly the only mistake he may have made is telling the officer he was reaching for his wallet rather than waiting for the officer to ask him to get his wallet. That's a pretty easy mistake to make if you're trying to be cooperative.

      2) Sometimes members of the public are actually agitated or otherwise not cooperative around police! This killing was actually an outlier, most of these unnecessary killings have involved men who had done something wrong and were confrontational or disobedient but not an actual threat. Educating people about those rules is completely useless for those people.

      3) If you want to be effective then it's far better off to train the much smaller number of police who are the common element in all these interactions. Give them sensitivity training, teach them to de-escalate and not overreact, and when you find the ones who have a history of being unusually confrontational with the public (very common in these cases), fire them if you can't fix their behaviour.

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    38. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Layzej · · Score: 1

      As a black or hispanic person I need to follow those rules to the letter or, like Philando Castile, my odds of getting shot will sky-rocket.

      It may not matter what you do: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGZnB41_e4

    39. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    40. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check if Michael Jackson left some tips. Avoid his pain killer tips.

    41. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by bobbied · · Score: 1

      After the events in Dallas last night, do you still feel the same? If so, you share responsibility for the senseless deaths both of the officers murdered and subsequent deaths connected to your rhetoric...

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    42. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Toshito · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I want to drive a car in the US anymore.

      Your instructions read like the training you have to go through when going in a country that is in a state of war.

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    43. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by bobbied · · Score: 1

      LOL... Consider it instructions on "How to be polite and respectful to others." ((In this case the police) Haven't you realized yet that *your* best interests are usually served by being polite to others, even those you disagree with?

      I'm struck by how many folks have abandoned being polite and well mannered and run around with huge attitudes, all the while wondering why it seems the world hates them. Of course the world will hate you when you run around with a chip on your shoulder, a scowl on your face and your middle finger in the air. Treat others like you'd want to be treated (or better if you can manage it) and things will go better for you.

      Literally thousands of traffic stops happen daily and only a vanishingly small fraction end badly. Cops do a great job, almost without fail. All I'm suggesting here are ways you can improve your odds and keep yourself further from danger by simply being nice, polite and respectful. It costs you nothing to do these things, so why object?

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    44. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Toshito · · Score: 1

      I'm always being polite and respectful with everyone. That's not the point.

      If US police officers are so scared that they'll shoot if anyone in the car is not sitting still with their hands on their lap, maybe it says more about the problem your society is having than a lack of politeness on the part of the ones being stopped.

      Maybe they need more ressources, maybe they need more training, maybe the US needs stricter gun laws, but having police officers ready to draw their weapons in a split second while doing a routine traffic stop is a recipe for disaster.

      I'm not blaming them, I'm blaming those who put the police officers in a situation that any sane human being cannot cope with. And the result is people are dying because of that.

      English is my second language, so I can't express my tought easily, so pardon my lack of skills if anything I said is offensive, that's wasn't my intention.

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    45. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by bobbied · · Score: 1

      You sir are pretty much wrong about police officers.. Don't go with the media's narrative on this, it's totally wrong and dangerous.

      You also miss my point. I'm not saying that if you don't follow these rules you WILL get shot at by police, chances are extremely slim, even if you are mouthing off and generally being an idiot with a chip on your shoulder disrespecting authority. I'm simply suggesting ways you can make the experience of being pulled over the least dangerous for you AND the officer. Don't talk or act like a threat and I guarantee you survive when interacting with police. If you follow my advice, you have a better chance of getting hit by lighting on a sunny day than getting shot by the police.... Act like an idiot, and your chances of getting shot increase. Why not go with the safer option?

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    46. Re:Folks, have your license and registration ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your list goes out the other end of politeness and into subservience though, I think that is what people are objecting to here. It is one thing to say hello to the police officer, ask politely what's up, answer any questions he has and to not waste his time. When you say something like "Have EVERYBODY in the car put their empty hands in their laps and sit quietly. STAY IN THE CAR, unless instructed otherwise" that does not come across merely as politeness.

  30. Installing Adobe should stop anyone from viewing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If I didn't know better, I'd wonder if Adobe was behind police murders.

  31. Hillary desperately needs black votes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    ...so expect the MSM to hype every local shooting of a black person by a police officer as IMPORTANT! NATIONAL! NEWS! between now and November.

    By contrast, crimes committed by illegal aliens and Muslim immigrants will be quickly swept under the rug as not fitting the narrative...

    1. Re:Hillary desperately needs black votes... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please enlighten us as to some of the crimes Muslim immigrants have been committing in the US. Oh wait you don't have any? Well, that explains why the news isn't reporting it, glad we had this discussion.

  32. ISPs feed the beast by zero-rating Facebook by tepples · · Score: 1

    If people are getting all their information through Facebook, then THAT's the real problem.

    To what extent is ISPs' exclusion of Facebook traffic from subscribers' monthly data allowance one of the causes of that problem? Zero rating has contributed to misuse of Wikimedia Commons to share infringing copies of non-free video.

  33. Net neutrality anyone? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Facebook is transmitted over airwaves that are leased/owned by private telecom companies. The public has little say in what these common carriers are allowed to transmit in cases like this.

    Even if the telecom companies choose to include Facebook and Wikipedia without charge but bill the user by the bit for viewing any other website? The public, as lessor of the airwaves, can impose "net neutrality" rules to end this practice.

  34. Facebook Community standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pictures and video depicting a death are a violation of community standards and will be removed. It's right there in the contract. What's there to be mad about?

  35. When everything that isn't Facebook is paywalled by tepples · · Score: 1

    People treat facebook as if it is the entire fucking web; they have this power only because people have given it to them (intentionally or not).

    It's intentional. See Internet.org Free Basics.

  36. How is this any different by Archfeld · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How is this any different from what the newspapers and or TV news used to do ? Editors and in some cases for TV the FCC always ruled over what could and would be published, and often it took a day or 2 before that happened. In the age of instant gratification people expect the news to be available seconds after it happened, or as it happens but that doesn't allow for any sort of verification or fact checking. The power of social media can be wonderful or terrible, it has shown great and horrible things, but without clarification we've seen what a misunderstanding can do to someone's life, and I think we can see that kind of instant publicity often drives what some people can and will do. In some cases it is better not give the bad guys what they want but to sensor some details to aid in criminal investigation and preserve the privacy and dignity of victims or families. I think there is certainly room for discussion and some rules need to be established for what can and will be seen. There are other ways to publish video content, e.g. YouTube and if Facebook becomes undependable or tyrannical then some other source of app will fill in the gap.

    Note : I don't use Facebook but manage to keep abreast of current events.

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  37. Facebook is a private company. by penguinoid · · Score: 1, Insightful

    How much are you willing to bet that Facebook doesn't receive National Security Letters with a gag order instructing them to voluntarily remove dangerous content? Just because Facebook can legally censor, doesn't mean that the censorship Facebook is doing is in fact legal, and even if it were it doesn't mean we have to approve of it.

    Legality =/= Morality

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  38. politicians by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But the politicians want more money for their cronies! You can't deprive them of the $$$MONEY$$$ /sarc

  39. Land of the free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow. So you ran a red light and now you deserve to die because you reached for your glovebox out of habit. Land of the free indeed.

    1. Re:Land of the free by sysrammer · · Score: 2

      Wow. So you ran a red light and now you deserve to die because you reached for your glovebox out of habit. Land of the free indeed.

      Yeah. I remember all the propaganda about the nazi and commie secret police, and how we were the land of the free.

      Well, they say that one becomes what one hates, so, here we are.

      The largest prison population in the world.

      Land of the free indeed.

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  40. If you are over 14... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and have a Facebook account for anything other than keeping up with your relatives and a few friends, you are a fucking moron.

    If you have more than a handful of people in our Friend list, you are a fucking moron.

    Facebook is a a life sucking money grubbing, power seeking parasite that thrives on weak people's need to be acknowledged.

  41. Re:When everything that isn't Facebook is paywalle by ScentCone · · Score: 1

    So somehow Facebook is causing other web sites to charge for content and access? This is Facebook's "intentional" result of providing their service for free? Are you even listening to yourself?

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  42. Don't use facebook for news! by TheMadTopher · · Score: 1

    People would be better off using the National Enquirer for news than facebook.

  43. FACEBOOKISTAN by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 2

    Just watched this last night, while I've heard of the issues with content moderators previously, this is the first time I've seen it all laid out including the censorship of legal political parties. Also to be found in the usual places if you'd like a download.

    Facebookistan Site
    Watch on YouTube Facebookistan english version

  44. Several thoughts on all of this.... by King_TJ · · Score: 2

    First of all, the whole "technical glitch" claim when this new "live content" is suddenly pulled *could* be legitimate. I'm not saying Facebook has done much to deserve the benefit of the doubt based on its actions in the past.... but it's quite possible these live streams of very popular "breaking news story" type content are overloading the servers they're getting hosted on. Maybe FB has to pull stuff when it gets too many simultaneous views and move it elsewhere, to keep it from impacting performance of the rest of the site? I don't know what they have to juggle behind the scenes to keep everything working properly, but I imagine there's a lot of this manual intervention required. Even our MS Exchange mail hosting service has struggles with automatic load-balancers and regularly pins the blame on them when strange things start happening with devices not receiving mail.

    Second, I think there have to be some expectations set with "social media" as a whole. Just because social media sites are adding capabilities like live-streaming video doesn't make them a substitute for a commercial news station. At best, they have the same status as your run of the mill blogger. Certainly, some breaking news happens thanks to these sites distributing it first. But there's no guarantee the content will reliably stay online to reference it for others to view or read it, and it's liable to be presented with a strong bias attached.

    IMO, there's a weird symbiotic relationship between news media and social media going on. While social media is happy to grab up a lot of the "eyeballs" that would traditionally have watched television news or read printed news instead? The news media benefits, in turn, by selectively rebroadcasting some of the content, straight from social media sites, vs. incurring the expense of sending news teams to record that content themselves all the time. Even if we're talking only printed news -- they can literally break new stories based solely on what they saw happen or read about on social media.

  45. Copyright take-downs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Typically, when you have a video posted to Youtube (or other sites which respond to DMCA take-down notices), any time you are trying to look for a video with controversial content or positions, greater than 50% of them will have been hit with copyright claims and have already been taken down. This is almost certainly because the system is being heavily abused. Facebook is no different - their moderators' biases are known, and the takedowns will follow those biases.

  46. Let's go back to FB's original purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. To make craploads of money.
    2. To let Harvard boys meet girls.
    3. ?????
    4. Profit!
    5. Let's all get our news from al-jazeera, the last bastion.

  47. Facebook is not news! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone who gets their news exclusively from Facebook is and idiot and deserves to be misinformed! Facebook is a social media site not a news site.

  48. Real Name Policy - Off Topic by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

    Anyone know how to get around the stupid "real name policy"? I go by a different name due to my association with the fringe art community, and they are trying to force me to upload ID that shows my real name, which I've heard then locks you into using that name. I don't need potential employers knowing that I shoot nude pics for fun.

  49. Folks, have your anal lube ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Put yourself in the Rapists's shoes and THINK about what they are concerned about, preferably in advance, and don't do anything stupid and you are very unlikely to get shot. Here are my rules.

    1. Limit movements as much as possible when the rapist is near the car (both you and your passengers). Get your panties, bra, and pants off onto the dash if you can before they arrive but be sure to be ready to sit still and spread your legs open before they approach. Have EVERYBODY in the car put their empty hands in their laps and sit quietly. STAY IN THE CAR, unless instructed otherwise and turn off that radio if it's playing anything other than sweet sweet Luther Van Dross.

    2. Make sure the rapist can see as much as possible. Turn on interior lights, but don't roll down your tinted windows. It let's the stank out.

    3. IF you need to move or reach for something, ASK PERMISSION. "Master, my lube is in the center console. May I reach for it?" Then announce what you are doing "OK, I'm going to get my lube out of the center console now."

    4. No matter what the rapist tells you to do, COMPLY, even if you don't think the rapist is acting lawfully. If you are one of those who has purposed not to consent to any rapings, refuse the 'may I put my dick in your trunk?" requests with a polite "No Papi, I do not consent to a penetration of my trunk" but ALWAYS be respectful, nonthreatening and compliant as much as you can. If you really believe the rapist is in the wrong, complain NEVER.

    5. Remember that the rapist usually just wants to walk away from the raping alive. And that this is one of the most dangerous thing they do. If you go out of your way to keep the rapist feeling safe, by showing your tits, gyrating slow and not being threatening in your attitude you will make their day that much easier. A rapist who is more relaxed is more likely to let you go with a warning too, so who knows, all your efforts may pay off.

    I remember a time when I got pulled over by a rapist in the dead of night with 5 people in a 69VW Bug. I stopped, turned on the dome light and had to tell a girl in the back to keep quiet (she was going off about how unfair it was that I was gonna get raped). It was cold and I had my winter jacket on. There was no way I was going to get my pants off while sitting in the car so I explained to the rapist the issue. I asked if I could get out of my car. He gave me permission and I got out, stood facing away from him and pulled my jeans and thong down. I showed him both holes before I turned around and wasn't surprised that he had his cock in hand. I let him approach me to get the pussy. Where I think I deserved the raping, he didn't gimme one. But I could have been easily been shot and raped because that kind of stop is incredibly dangerous tor rapists, dead of night, car full of people, some 5'6" gal in a long coat reaching towards his zipper. I kept him as comfortable as I could by being as non-threatening as I could and I think it paid off for me.

  50. God you're stoopid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We did not gas six million Jews, we gassed six million people wearing stars. We fucking hate those things!

  51. Well, public, you asked for this.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .... By giving control of your voice over to a corporation instead of paying for your own hosting and taking the effort to aggregate blogs of those you like. Or, to put it another way:

    Good evening, Internet.
    Allow me first to apologize for this interruption.
    I do, like many of you, appreciate the comforts of everyday routine, the security of the familiar, the tranquility of repetition. I enjoy them as much as any bloke.
    But in the spirit of commemoration, where upon important events of the past, usually associated with someone's death or the end of some awful bloody struggle, are celebrated with a nice holiday, I thought we could mark today by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat.
    There are, of course, those who do not want us to speak. I suspect even now, orders are being shouted into telephones, and men with guns will soon be on their way. Why? Because while the truncheon may be used in lieu of conversation, words will always retain their power. Words offer the means to meaning, and for those who will listen, the enunciation of truth.
    And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this Internet, isn't there? Cruelty and injustice, intolerance and oppression. And where once you had the freedom to object, to think and speak as you saw fit, you now have censors and systems of surveillance coercing your conformity and soliciting your submission.
    How did this happen? Who's to blame? Well, certainly, there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable.
    But again, truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror. I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. They were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now sixth richest person in the world, Mark Zuckerberg.
    He promised you a tidy user interface where all your friends are, he promised you cat pictures and lots of opinions that agreed with your own, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent.
    Last night, he sought to continue that silence.
    Earlier than last night, I decided that I would do my best to never use Facebook again, to remind my friends and family of what it has forgotten.
    It is not just one person four hundred years ago. Many have tried over the centuries to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words; they are perspectives.
    So if you've seen nothing, if the problems with using Facebook as your journal remain unknown to you, then I would suggest that you just go back to your censored version of the web.

    But if you see what I see, if you feel as I feel, and if you would seek as I seek, then I ask you to stand beside me, now. Quit Facebook while you can, and make the effort to inform yourself from sources which as of today still cannot be silenced. Purchase your own webspace and make yourself heard, and together we shall give them a free Internet that shall never, ever be forgot.

  52. Re:When everything that isn't Facebook is paywalle by tepples · · Score: 1

    What's happening is that Facebook is paying ISPs to make Facebook and Wikipedia available without charge, while billing people for data when accessing any other site. It's a paywall imposed by the ISP to which the viewer subscribes, not by the operators of completing sites.

  53. Facebook can choose its terms of service by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Facebook can choose what it will block, just has to say so in its terms of service. You can choose to accept that Facebook has truth and ethics, or that it has a bias. I believe it has a bias. I will read what it has to offer, but I don't take it as gospel. Similarly, newpapers are intended to make a profit selling papers, not promoting truth ... cross-reference what they tell you with other sources of information.

  54. Wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    White people can't belong to the congressional black caucus.

    White people cannot get scholarships from the United Negro College Fund

    Black people cannot run LaRaza

    Men cannot play on women's athletic teams (there will be no men in the women's Olympic events in Rio)

    The examples are endless

    You only cannot discriminate against the people the elites decide are to be protected at any particular time based on the particular whims of the elites. The society will be manipulated via news and entertainment to see whatever forms of discrimination the elites support as OK and normative, and whatever forms the elites oppose as bad and outrageous. The courts will ignore whatever discrimination they have been told to ignore, and punish whatever forms they have been told to punish. The standards for which forms of discrimination are "good" and which are "bad" are fluid. Modern society DEMANDS that laws NOT be equally applied, and true freedom (including the freedom to be a bigoted jerk AND the freedom for everybody else to avoid anybody they see as a bigoted jerk) NOT actually be available. Some argue that these arbitrary and variable rules for the application of freedom are good, but I would argue that they do not actually change anything. I believe they just frustrate average people with their arbitrary nature, minimize true bigotry by mixing it with faux-bigotry, pervert the basic rule of law, and, worst of all, just drive the true bigots underground where they soak in their hatred and hang-out with their friends like Klansmen under sheets at rallies - with LESS visibility and possibly more volatility while the normal people around them are possibly less aware of them and less wary of them.

  55. Conspiracy theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This smells of a conspiracy theory

  56. Since when? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They guy setup several organizations to trick Republicans into voting for Democrats and Democrat policies....

    The guy is a big Obama/Hillary supporter...

    Just where do you get the claim that he is a Republican?????

  57. Absurd title. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How much of a scummy click bait article is this? Is Slashdot now buzzfeed?

    And facebook is deciding what they host and publish not what you see. What next, if they don't allow porn videos are they preventing you from seeing sex?

    So fucking stupid. Fuck this asinine article.

  58. Re:When everything that isn't Facebook is paywalle by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

    What's happening is that Facebook is paying ISPs to make Facebook and Wikipedia available without charge, while billing people for data when accessing any other site. It's a paywall imposed by the ISP to which the viewer subscribes, not by the operators of completing sites.

    I suspect that would not be as helpful for facebook as they like to think. Sure, they get the brownie points for helping people see their site for free, but facebook is not the reason why facebook exists. They don't actually exist to help you stay on top of your cousin's favorite coffee drink and your high school best friend's uncle's neighbor's dog groomer's dentist's son's favorite public restroom. The purpose of facebook is, of course, to sell personal data to vendors and advertisers. Hence if the users aren't accessing the sites that are paying to advertise on facebook - because they have to pay data charges to do it - facebook isn't getting paid by those vendors and advertisers.

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  59. Facebook is dying by Roodvlees · · Score: 1

    As grandmothers are more active on Facebook the young flee from it. Hopefully this will only speed that up.

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  60. Facebook need to get real by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is time facebook got with the fact that they are there to provide an service now they are not now just another thing on the computer they need to start behaving like so as well Stop mesing with what people post , if someone wants to post a video of an egg&spoon being offed so what .

  61. Why I don't use facebook by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    This is just one of those reasons I don't use facebook, and why I believe more people shouldn't.
    Yes, it's convenient. But that's about it's only pro...

  62. Facebook glitch was actually the police? by Kiralan · · Score: 1

    Found this on 'The Register' - The deadly shooting of 32-year-old Philando Castile by a cop during a routine traffic stop in Minnesota on Wednesday just got murkier. Multiple sources have told The Register that police removed video footage of Castile's death from Facebook, potentially tampering with evidence. Castile, his girlfriend Diamond Reynolds, and her four-year-old daughter were pulled over by police in the Falcon Heights suburb of Minneapolis for a broken tail light. Using her cellphone and Facebook Live, Reynolds web-streamed footage of her dying boyfriend after he was shot by a police officer as he reached for his ID in his wallet. The video was mysteriously removed from her Facebook profile as it went viral across the internet. On Thursday, Facebook said a âoetechnical glitch" caused the recording to be pulled from its social network. However, Reynolds claimed officers seized her phone and took over her Facebook account to delete the evidence. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2...

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  63. see www.facebook.com/johnny.superzar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    See this guy's page. Facebook is basically law enforcement datamining.

    From this post: https://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=9359049&cid=52475845