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Ask Slashdot: Is It Ever OK To Quit Without Giving Notice?

HughPickens.com writes: Employees and employers alike have the right under at-will employment laws in almost all states to end their relationship without notice, for any reason, but the two-week rule is a widely accepted standard of workplace conduct. However, Sue Shellenbarger writes at the WSJ that a growing number of workers are leaving without giving two weeks' notice. Some bosses blame young employees who feel frustrated by limited prospects or have little sense of attachment to their workplace. But employment experts say some older workers are quitting without notice as well. They feel overworked or unappreciated after years of laboring under pay cuts and expanded workloads imposed during the recession. One employee at Dupray, a customer-service rep, scheduled a meeting and announced she was quitting, then rose and headed for the exit. She seemed surprised when the director of human resources stopped her and explained that employees are expected to give two weeks' notice. "She said, 'I've been watching 'Suits,' and this is how it happens,'" referring to the TV drama set in a law firm.

According to Shellenbarger, quitting without notice is sometimes justified. Employees with access to proprietary information, such as those working in sales or new-product development, face a conflict of interest if they accept a job with a competitor. Employees in such cases typically depart right away -- ideally, by mutual agreement. It can also be best to exit quickly if an employer is abusive, or if you suspect your employer is doing something illegal. More often, quitting without notice "is done in the heat of emotion, by someone who is completely frustrated, angry, offended or upset," says David Lewis, president of OperationsInc., a Norwalk, Conn., human-resources consulting firm. That approach can burn bridges and generate bad references. Phyllis Hartman says employees have a responsibility to try to communicate about what's wrong. "Start figuring out if there is anything you can do to fix it. The worst that can happen is that nobody listens or they tell you no."
What do you Slashdotters think about providing employers notice of departure? Has there ever been a circumstance that warranted quitting your job without any prior notice?

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  1. loyalty is a two-way street by edmudama · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A company cannot fight for right-to-work laws, then be upset when employees exercise their right to not work.

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    1. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Toxic work environment. sexual or other harassment, unilateral breach of the work agreement (pay cut, type of work or location changed). 100% defensible even if your work contract requires you to give notice.

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    2. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I agree: worked @ at DuPont Fibers for 30 years, unit sold to Koch brothers from Kansa ( yes them ) which put us as a private company for them. Had some layoffs and during this time, nobody got a raise for the first 3-4 years under them. Then it was decided to move jobs to Mexico.

      I found another job in 2009 when full-time jobs were hard to get and gave them 2 hours notice on my last Friday at work before starting the new job on Monday, this after 35 years. Reason for no 2 week notice: people that did, got treated like shit during those 2 weeks including a boss. Seen what happened and did what I did w/o any regret. Probably would do same thing at current job, as companies now, really don't inspire or try to build loyalty like they use to.

    3. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but the two-week rule is a widely accepted standard of workplace conduct.

      when companies only offer you 'contract work' when you are over 50 (since its easier to fire you, being a protected age class if you are NOT fulltime) - and they walk your ass out right after the project is over, the days of company loyalty are ALSO LONG GONE.

      I could care less about the company I work for. they could care less about me.

      I hate that. I used to care. but they stopped, and so, I had to.

      its just that simple.

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    4. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by tommyjcarpenter · · Score: 5, Interesting

      yep. Nailed it. If employers want the right to fire you for any reason without notice, then it works both ways. This is really simple.

    5. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by WorBlux · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right unilateral breach makes just about any contract voidable by the injured party.

    6. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by bloodhawk · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree BUT, burning your bridges is never a smart idea if it is not necessary, you never know when the work colleague, boss etc are going to sometime in future have a say over your future prospects somewhere else, they move around employers too and you don't want them having to make a decision about you with that tainted memory in mind.

    7. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2, Funny

      I could care less about the company I work for. they could care less about me.

      Watch and learn something, then you might have a better job finding employment...

      https://youtu.be/om7O0MFkmpw

    8. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      My work place wanted to move me an unreasonable distance from where I used to work. I had just moved to a new apt within the last 4 months to avoid exactly the kind of commute I would of had to do if I started working at the new location. I progressively started to work more and more from home, until I went a whole week without showing up at work. At some point my manager asked me if I was going to start working from the office again, I said no that wasn't very convenient for me. He mentioned a few other things but long story short, I'm still working from home. Pay cheques still get mailed and I'm happy as I could be now that I get to work from home every day.

      Moral of the story: Just like when you're dealing with cops, make sure to distinguish between what they're 'asking you vs 'what they 'demand of you'. Someone with no balls would of returned to work from the office after having the conversation I had. I decided to stand up for myself and do what I felt was right, and I feel like I'm being handsomely rewarded for it.

    9. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by alzoron · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Sometimes you just have to burn a bridge, you want to hold it long enough for your friends to make it across but you have to burn it before the disease ridden husk of a functioning company makes it across and infects the rest of society.

    10. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by sumdumass · · Score: 2

      I quit without notice once and the employer claimed i was fired for not showing up. I actually had to explain that not showing up was proof that I quit at a future interview. I was already into the interview process when the work reference came up but i had already told them I quit the job.

      My reason was being expected to work a 12 hour shift just 4 hours after being held over 6 hours on my previous shift making an 18 hour day. They said I would be wrote up if i was late for the next shift and i asked them to look deeply into my eyes and tell me if they saw somebody that cared. The manager said he knew I cared because i just bought a new car. Had that been true, I might have cared. They called about an hour before the next shift asking why I was still home. I said i quit that's why and hung up then unplugged the it from the wall for a couple days (before cell phones were affordable).

    11. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's all good in theory until they list you as terminated for job abandoning. It also doesn't look good to future employers if they just said you quit without notice. They want some sense of stability when investing in a new hire.

      Of course if it is a similar field in a close area, they probably already understand the conditions or reasons because you wouldn't be the first to do so.

    12. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by mattack2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I could care less about the company I work for.

      So you DO care about them, then.

    13. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 2

      job abandoning

      you made that up. its not 'a thing'. firstly, you QUIT. they can't say anything else. its their word against yours. and you would never list a company you quit from as a ref.

      what planet are you from??

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    14. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      That's a lost battle, friend. The phrase "I couldn't care less" has been misused by enough people for long enough that the popular variant "I could care less" means the exact same thing.

      It sucks that stupidity winds up defining language. But that's the reality we face.

    15. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by ubergeek65536 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Idioms are not required to follow logic. "I could care less" means exactly the same as "I couldn't care less"

    16. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by lgw · · Score: 2

      I would caveat "harassment" to add "and HR didn't fix it".

      Overall, as much as they may deserve it, leaving without notice risks hurting yourself. The one question future employers may ask former employers is "is he eligible for re-hire", and a "no" there can hurt you. Sometimes it's worth it even so, but don't cut off your nose to spiderface.

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    17. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by gfxguy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unless you've done something that justifies immediate dismissal, the company I work for generally gives you notice that you're being laid off ahead of time, and also offers a generous severance to everyone (not just executives). If they had a habit of just kicking people out without warning, I wouldn't feel obliged to give two weeks notice. If the company treats you like crap, though, I don't see where it's written into any contracts that two weeks is required, so too bad.

      I have seen cases where people were asked to leave immediately - even escorted out of the building, but then I don't necessarily know the circumstances of their dismissal. In all cases where I know there was no impropriety, work continued for those people laid off for sometimes a month or more (and then severance after that). I guess the point of what I'm saying is that some employers don't deserve the respect of being given notice, but some employers are really quite good about how they handle their employees, and it behooves the person leaving to not "burn bridges," as the TFA mentions.

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    18. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by gfxguy · · Score: 2

      I disagree... I think perception is skewed because we generally only hear about the horror stories; I don't really think it's the "norm," even if it's too common.

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    19. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by MrKaos · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's an idiom which means they don't care at all.

      I think you'll find it is a colloquialism.

      The English language is not a static language defined by pedants.

      It's a language made to convey meaning without ambiguity. Not that I really care, I care a bit but not like a grammar nazi could care more than I do. I could care less and less until I couldn't care any less but then I couldn't care less when in reality I could care less, it's just too much effort to do so.

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    20. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by ultranova · · Score: 2

      The English language is not a static language defined by pedants.

      It's a language made to convey meaning without ambiguity.

      No, that would be legalese. English, just like any human language, has plenty of ambiguity built right in, simply because context sensitivity makes communication far more efficient - it's a form of entropy encoding - and also because human thoughts and feelings are often pretty ambiguous.

      As a side note, this is the reason why machine translation tends to be so terrible: current computers don't know the context and thus can't correctly decode and re-encode the message.

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    21. Re:loyalty is a two-way street by reboot246 · · Score: 3, Funny

      When I say "I could care less", what I mean is that there's just enough "care" left to keep me from just killing you. If "I couldn't care less", you'd be dead.

    22. Re: loyalty is a two-way street by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      This happened to me. Gave my employer FOUR WEEKS notice, even though contractually I only had to give two. About a week before I was due to finish they realized that my replacement (actually just my boss who was somehow going to do two jobs) was on holiday for two weeks and they needed me to stay on. I refused, I had committed to my new employer and they had work lined up.

      I can't ask them for a reference now as they are adamant that I walked out. Fortunately when I switched jobs again I just explained what happened and they were happy to accept only one reference from my previous employer. Shit like this isn't that uncommon, unfortunately.

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  2. Double Standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Employers LOVE at-will, when it's in their favor. But a lowly employee exercising that same right? Ohh nooo, you're just young and inexperienced.

    If I'm an employee and I fuck up or do something that is grounds for termination... no employer in an at-will state is going to say "Okay, we're firing you, but we're going to let you keep working here for two more weeks while you look for a new job". No, you'll be out on your ass.

    Well, if a company treats me in a way that I view as unacceptable, guess what.. I'm not giving you two more weeks of my life. The whole "employees are expected to give two weeks" bullshit is a such a double standard in many cases.

    I will give you notice if you treat me in a way that deserves for notice to be given.

    1. Re:Double Standard by grahamsz · · Score: 2

      Has anyone ever accomplished much of value in their two week period? It's rarely enough time to replace you, let alone give you any time to transition any worthwhile knowledge to them.

      Usually it seems to mostly involve them groveling and offering more money, but I've never known anyone that said "you know what, that sounds great I'll just stay"

    2. Re:Double Standard by stinerman · · Score: 2

      Yes, what's good for the goose is good for the gander, after all.

      My employer pays out 2 weeks of severance if they fire someone. So I think it's fair to give 2 weeks notice to them. If they didn't, it would depend on the circumstances if I gave leave or not.

  3. Dupe? by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 4, Informative

    If this story leaves you a feeling of dejavu, don't worry, it's just Hugh Pickens cross-posting on /. and SN again to attract more traffic to his site

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    1. Re:Dupe? by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 4, Funny

      Doesn't work since nobody is going to go to his site no matter what. Heck, most people don't even read the summary.

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  4. Karma is a bitch by Locke2005 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    As a contractor, I have more than once had a manager come to me on friday afternoon and tell me, "Don't bother coming in Monday... or ever!" As such, when I was offered $25/hour more than I was currently working to start another contract, but I had to start right away, I didn't bother giving notice, and was informed "yeah, just leave your page and parking permit with the security guard on your way out." As far as I can tell, nobody cares about notice anymore.

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    1. Re:Karma is a bitch by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I worked at cisco as a contractor. was on a 6month contract and on a thursday I got a call from my contract company telling me that tomorrow, friday, is my last day. the boss didn't call me, didn't email me, didn't give a warning, didn't give a repair plan, didn't get SHIT. didn't even have the BALLS to tell me himself.

      to this day, I can't use cisco as a ref since that son of a bitch still works there and its impossible to work at a place like that again if the boss is still there. they WILL find out who he is and he WILL rat on you.

      I've tried to ask the guy, nicely, to not stand in the way of my gainful employment. I did nothing wrong, I was never given a reason for the dismissal but to this day, he refuses to answer any ref calls, not even to just say the minimal.

      he costed me a lot of money and many months of being out of work. again, no fault of my own; something political happened (my best guess) and I was out the very next day. my contractor company would not even tell me. not kidding.

      this is SOP and its why I could care less about bosses, these days. they will happily screw you even though they gain nothing but ego from it. for me, I was out of work a long time and nearly lost my home. he could care less.

      fuck cisco. be warned, young guys; this will happen to you if you work long enough and get old enough. do NOT give companies your loyalty. they will screw you every fucking time.

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    2. Re: Karma is a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Reading your posts over the last 6 months it's 1 of two things or a combination of both.
      1. You have Asperger'sand need to work on your people skills a bit.
      2. You are smart AF and ur boss was scared of ur technical skills.

      I am in the middle of looking for a new hire and I am frightened they will be that much better than me I will be out the door. So looking for the Luke warm porridge is a skill.

      I'd say you should underestimate your abilitiesso you don't frighten your next employer.

    3. Re: Karma is a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      "I'll level with you: I'm a white guy who's over 50 in silicon valley. I'm the last guy they want on their payroll."

      This idiotic line of reasoning will forever blow my mind. I'm an HVAC mechanic, and 50+ guys of any color are solid fucking gold in this business. They are walking encyclopedias. I'm newer, but whenever I'm around early in the morning at the shop and 2 of the older guys are bs-ing about problems they solved recently, I walk right over and listen, and they like my learning initiative, and they clue me in.

      Silicon Valley is a fucking meat grinder.

    4. Re: Karma is a bitch by lucm · · Score: 2

      It's no longer a Bay area thing. It's the same almost everywhere. Infosys alone has currently +30,000 visa workers in the USA, and their biggest markets are Sunnyvale, Charlotte, Houston, Phoenix, Atlanta. They have the same number of people in Seattle, Hartford and NYC. Throw a dart on the map and they're bound to have 800-1200 workers in the closest big city.

      And that's just Infosys. There's Tata, Accenture, IBM, all playing the same game.

      So you're left with two choices. You can swim against the current, or you can find a niche. But make no mistakes: we, qualified non-hipster white males are not a hot commodity at the moment. China and India are creating a million new engineers every year. For the most part it's not skilled labor but the sheer number and the explosive growth can't be beat. Odds are that there's hundreds of Chinese or Indian workers with an identical skill set as yours willing to work for 60% of your income.

      But here's what the numbers don't show. Those qualified workers are a drop in the h1b ocean, and by the time they represent a higher percentage of the flock, the domestic economy in China and India will have improved significantly, creating more opportunities at home. Already it's happening in the manufacturing industry in China (they sell more stuff in China than they export).

      So hang in there. We're on the tail end of a global workforce correction.

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  5. Vacation by DudeTheMath · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have like ten weeks vacay banked. I can give ten weeks notice and walk right out the door.

    I will, of course, generously offer to consult hourly at 90% of the rate my boss charges clients for my time for the first three months.

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    1. Re:Vacation by Guspaz · · Score: 2

      I don't know about where you are, but here there employer gets to say when you're allowed to take vacation time, and you're required by law to give reasonable notice of resignation, which is generally understood to be two weeks. Employers are also required to pay out your vacation time when you quit. So you could give two weeks notice, and then after two weeks, you'd be done, and given ten weeks pay.

      Labour laws vary, of course, but I can't imagine that there are places where employees can take vacation wherever you want. Even if you don't have a required notice of resignation period, you wouldn't be giving ten weeks notice, you'd be giving zero notice and then having your vacation time paid out...

  6. Never by ElusiveMind · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I left a job and gave them two days notice because I saw the writing on the wall. They were hemorrhaging money and couldn't keep talent and I knew the job wouldn't last. I got another job in another city and they asked me to report the following week. This was on Wednesday. So I walked back inside, told them I Friday I was done. They scowled, scoffed, criticized and demonized me to the rest of the company. I even had to pay back a signing bonus I received due to a contract I signed. Didn't care. 10 days after I left the company, they folded - gave everyone pink slips and no severance. Loyalty doesn't mean anything, anywhere, anytime. Look out for yourself. Protect yourself. I gave a company I worked for previously a month's notice and they still complained I screwed them over ... so you can't win. Do what is best for you.

  7. Do Whatever You Can Afford by IonOtter · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're not being mistreated, then don't be a jerk. *Especially* if your leaving without notice will screw over your co-workers, who plan to stay. If you have a good working relationship with your boss and co-workers, then jumping ship to greener pastures is not only acceptable, but even celebrated.

    I know for a fact, that if someone in *my* group were to quit, it would totally fuck over for my vacation plans, and I would lose a LOT of money.

    Your network is absolutely vital in today's job market. Screw over your employer, or worse, your fellow employees? They'll remember that. And they'll post about it on Facebook and LinkedIn.

    But if this is because you're a daily ration of crap? And you're in a right-to-work state? AND you have no reason to expect you'll ever work with your fellow employees again, or your leaving won't hurt them?

    Drop that bomb with pride.

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    1. Re:Do Whatever You Can Afford by Zaelath · · Score: 2

      Giving you 2 weeks notice 2 weeks away from your vacation would change all that, how?

      If your leave was rescinded because someone left, then it would be rescinded if someone was injured/sick as well.

      If your team is that fragile, invest in some travel insurance. If you were posting all over Facebook and LinkedIn about failing to manage risk I'd think you were the jackass.

  8. Depends on your employer... by mhkohne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Quitting without giving notice is rude. That's all, just rude.

    If your employer has been reasonable and supported you with things you want (perhaps flexibility in hours, or training), then two weeks notice is only the polite thing to do.

    If they've been extorting god-awful amounts of overtime from you, perhaps with the ever-present threat of being let go for no reason at all, then a little rudeness isn't out of place.

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    1. Re:Depends on your employer... by bloodhawk · · Score: 2

      Zero reason for politeness or loyalty? wait till one of the employee's or boss you just fucked over with the no notice is working in a position of influence for your next boss or you suddenly need a reference. You also have no clue what connections some of these people have with other companies, Your work history and behaviour can come back and bite you on the arse in a huge way all because you didn't feel the need to be polite. If they haven't fucked you over why would you do it to them.

  9. Re: I always quit without notice by thundercattt · · Score: 2

    Same here. Every job I quit, I just stopped going. I saw that as the equivalent of them saying Friday at 445pm that you're done.

  10. Re:Always by Oligonicella · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Like most blanket statements, that one doesn't hold water. My brother's company stood by him through four years of chemo. Some companies are not douches.

  11. Loyalty to people not companies by TiggertheMad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More to the point, a company can (and will) fire you w/o notice if they feel like it. Why should you not be able to 'fire' them in the same fashion?

    Companies are sociopath entities that are only as good to you as they least friendly person to you in any position of power. They don't care anything about you or your well being. People within the company might, but the company does not, it exists to make money. You might owe people loyalty, but never a company.

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    1. Re:Loyalty to people not companies by mariox19 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're absolutely right in your characterization of things, but this is what a lot of people fail to get. What we have here are two separate moral standards going on.

      Human beings have lived most of their existence in groups of no more than 150 individuals. Even for most of recorded history, most people lived in villages or in neighborhoods in cities where they knew just about every face they saw during the day, every day of their lives. Whatever kind of innate moral sense we have and whatever moral codes we have developed have all developed within this context of face-to-face interactions and persistent relationships. So, human beings have a hard time doing anything that isn't "nice." It's not "nice" to quit without giving notice. What "decent" person does a thing like that?

      Companies, by contrast, operate on a system of profit and loss. I am not saying that's a bad thing. What I'm saying is that people shouldn't kid themselves. When a company decides to show you the door, that's excused as being "nothing personal, just business." In other words, they are doing solely what is the interest of the company: most particularly, their bottom line.

      People need to understand that these are the rules. By all means, when you're interacting with friends, family, neighbors, or even strangers on the subway, do the right thing—the thing that human interactions have relied on for millennia. But when you're dealing with a company—when it's business—think first what's in your best interest, and then do that without a qualm.

      Maybe giving notice is right for you, then and there. Then, go ahead. But, maybe walking right out the door is the best thing for you. In that case then, by all means, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

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    2. Re:Loyalty to people not companies by Solandri · · Score: 2

      Um, most companies which fire you without notice will pay you a severance package of several weeks or months worth of pay. This is equivalent to giving you several weeks or months notice, except they don't require you to work those weeks or month. So the company is actually more considerate to your well-being than an employee who quits with notice is to the company (they'd have to work without pay during the notice period for the situation to be equivalent).

      I suppose people who quit without notice could be required to pay the company the equivalent of their salary for as many weeks or months as the severance package they would've received had the situation be reversed.

    3. Re:Loyalty to people not companies by shaitand · · Score: 2

      "Um, most companies which fire you without notice will pay you a severance package of several weeks or months worth of pay."

      No, no they don't. Such packages exist but they definitely not the norm, even where they do exist they are normally only paid under certain limited circumstances like lay offs.

      Don't kid yourself, the company attaches strings to such offers like not filing unemployment (so they can avoid their rates going up), gag terms, etc. There is nothing altruistic about this.

      On the other hand I've rarely seen people give two weeks notice and then actually work the two weeks. The only reason companies perpetuate the 2 week notice standard is that it's in their interest.

      Also, employers are not permitted to share information such as whether or not you gave notice with future employers. That also is a myth. They can confirm your employment dates, which party terminated the relationship, role, and rate of pay. If a company says something else you can sue them.

    4. Re:Loyalty to people not companies by PortHaven · · Score: 2

      Clearly we can tell who are CEOs and who are not.

      A CEO gets fired, and they get 5 years salary, even if they only worked for a single year.

  12. Better to stick around... by PrimaryConsult · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seriously, if they don't boot you the moment you give notice, the two week "lame duck" phase can be the best part of your time working there. Spend a day finishing your leftover projects and writing some halfassed documentation, bullshit by the watercooler 7 hours a day for 8 more, and turn in your work on day 10. The next guy can deal with any do-overs needed.

    And if you hate your job due to your immediate boss but don't have another one lined up, never quit! Turn it into a job you like until they fire you. Do the projects you like and completely ignore the ones you don't like. Boss complains about 1 hour lunches? Take a 2 hour lunch instead. If you work for a large enough company there's enough red tape and "protocol" to keep you employed for at least a month while you do whatever the fuck you want. Bonus, if you play by the rules they won't even be able to fire you "with cause".

    The man who told me this secret managed to "work" a full extra year while giving 0 fucks at a job he would have hated, had he cared.

    1. Re:Better to stick around... by lucm · · Score: 2

      You sir are a Zen master.

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  13. Of course it can make sense. by SeattleLawGuy · · Score: 4, Informative

    The question posed is "Has there ever been a circumstance that warranted quitting your job without any prior notice?"

    Of course such situations arise. Giving notice should be the default, out of respect for co-workers who may have to juggle their tasks and schedules if you leave and ideally out of a respect for your employer. But if you work in an abusive workplace and have no ability to change that, then leaving immediately is often justified by the way you are being treated or by the way your employer is treating others.

    Whether it is legally advisable, financially plausible, will hurt your career to leave, or will leave good co-workers in the lurch if you leave are all other questions that will influence the decision of whether to actually do it.

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  14. Almost always justifiable by ewibble · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the employee is so angry or annoyed that they are willing to leave without notice, it is probably best that they are just allowed to leave.

    Do you really want a disgruntled employee, serving your customers, maintaining your IT system, managing your finances, ... for two weeks?

    It maybe in the contract but it makes no sense to force someone to stay unless they are very closely supervised.

  15. Two choices by naughtynaughty · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Leave without notice and start working the next day at your new job:
    Result: Guaranteed no lost income

    Leave with two weeks notice:
    Result #1: Company fires you on the spot, walks you out and you lose two weeks of income
    Result #2: Company keeps you on the payroll the two weeks, no loss of pay

    All the risk is yours when you give two weeks notice, you give all the options to the company. When the shoe is on the other foot it is pretty much guaranteed that the company won't give you two weeks notice that they are going to let you go and few will pay you two weeks even though they'll walk you out right after telling you that you are fired.

    My suggestion is spend a day or two putting together a transition folder, hand it in on the day you quit and wish them the best. Tell them that for security reasons you can't provide two weeks notice.

    1. Re:Two choices by QuasiEvil · · Score: 2

      Likewise - I've seen this in a number of companies, regardless of if they know where you're going or not. If you have access to what they consider trade secret IP (despite either having developed it or worked on it for years), I've seen friends get shown the door within minutes of giving notice. However, those companies have always paid them for those two weeks, they just didn't want them to have access any longer.

  16. Depends on the situation by StandardCell · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I just quit without notice from a job at an established old and large corporation after less than three months. The main reasons were:
    • * Being told our group was in a "startup" mode and a huge red flag at any established company, especially with a paltry sum of shares barely above $5k.
    • * The first week I was there I was told the Tier 2 customer care person was leaving and that I'd be taking over their duties in addition to mine - a position that consumed >55 hours/week, but was not told this at the interview and was completely different than the job description I was given.
    • * When I asked about a product roadmap, I was told not to worry about it and to focus on the next six months of work (which didn't matter since the product was obviously not going anywhere and was severely underfunded while architected around a third-party solution that was insanely expensive).
    • * Complete disorganization to the point where development was accused of slipping but there was no product feature backlog nor user acceptance testing, despite being called an "Agile" development environment; just trying to put together a backlog and some processes that remotely resembled a proper development environment was a 60 hour/week job and they wanted to scale!
    • * A micro-manager who gave ZERO positive feedback about ANYTHING, claimed that they were not, who would change their mind on a whim (too much this time, too little next time, too little the following time, etc. etc.) and throw everyone under the bus, indicating a lack of empathy and self-awareness; also the first time I had ever worked somewhere where my office mates had thrown some item at a desk or on the floor out of frustration.
    • * Horrendously long commute which would've been tolerable if it was a good job with good treatment.

    The last day I showed up to work, I was thrown under the bus by the manager in front of our VP and the rest of the team for a lie to cover up the manager's incompetence. I went home, got up the next day, went to my doctor for a note to get the rest of the week off, and marched in on the following Monday to the reception desk with a letter of resignation and dropping off all of the company equipment. Didn't even talk to my manager, and didn't answer any of the manager's phone calls or e-mails, nor anyone else on the team after the day I got thrown under the bus. I, quite literally, disappeared.

    Why did I quit like this, especially without another source of income or health care coverage? Because leaving a gaping hole with a giant question mark in my wake was the only bit of power I had left to send a message for all of the misrepresentation, incompetence, unreasonable expectations and malice of the team that I had experienced . My mental and physical health has improved substantially since quitting, and so has the relationship with my loved ones. That team was screwed either way, but royally so with some of their deadlines that I had left the gaping hole in their roster for. I would've loved to have worked for another part of the company and was more than qualified to do so, but corporate rules prevent changes in position for the first year, and I had no expectation of a good review despite having been a high performing employee at other companies.

    In the end, these issues point directly to the utter contempt that technology employers have for their employees, particularly their low-to-mid-tier individual contributors. What else should they expect when they themselves give no notice to employees when they terminate them? What else should they expect when they treat their employees like trash, expect them to work startup hours while receiving established company pay and bonuses, change job descriptions at a whim, and don't have the decency to form any kind of coherent team environment or structure?

    The real message to HR departments and upper management on this phenomenon is this: if employees are quitting without notice more frequently, your problem is with your current corporate structure, management, and business, not with the employee that quits without notice, and you ignore this problem at your own peril.

  17. The new workplace by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

    In the workplace of today, when employers ditch people in favor of cheaper offshore replacement, or downsize you out of a job with no notice, or the myriad of other crap employers pull, I think quitting with no notice is perfectly acceptable. That road goes both ways after all, if employers treat their employees like disposable commodities, we the employees can and should do the exact same thing.

    That's how I feel at least. My current employer has treated me well, and seems to treat others well, too. So I'd probably be respectful and give notice. But I think if I worked for a company treating people poorly, I would feel no obligation to be courteous about leaving them.

  18. Did that in the heat of the moment once... by sconeu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was working for a major defense contractor. Fortune 500 (probably Fortune 100).

    Manager came in and told me that over his objections, I was being transferred to the Project From Hell. Before I even had a chance to think, the first words out of my mouth were, "I quit!". And my immediate reaction after that was "Oh my G-d... what the hell have I just done?"

    Lucky for me, I was fairly senior, and the two other guys who were supposed to go to said project (who were senior to me) had identical reactions.

    The three of us wound up in a meeting with the division's VP of Engineering. We didn't quit, we didn't have to transfer, and (fortunately), our careers weren't ruined (probably because the PfH had a reputation throughout the division).

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  19. What references? LOL by l0n3s0m3phr34k · · Score: 2

    Many corps have a blanket policy against professional references. I've had a real problem with Hewlett Packard Enterprise in this regard; their HR says are OK with "personal references" but "advise against giving professional references". This is HR speak for "you can't give professional references". I had one company tell me they required professional references from a manager from a position in the last three years; which was impossible since HPE was my only employer for those three years.

    Even more hypocritical is that HPE wants professional references yet refuses to give the same. And what is a "personal reference" anyway? That I can grill a good burger, and am fun at parties? That might fulfill a part of what potential employers are looking for (works well with others) but does little to ascertain how I function in a technical position. Once I finally pinned down their exact HR policy I told them the difference what they would allow for people seeking references; I guess it worked since I'm starting a new job Monday lol.

  20. Re:Always by Qzukk · · Score: 4, Funny

    Based on OP's demand to show as much loyalty that they show you, your brother is now required to give 4 years' notice.

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  21. Re:Other way around? by HornWumpus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right choice.

    Never accept a counteroffer. _Never_.

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  22. Re:Always by sconeu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I have to second this. I work for a small (formerly family-owned) company.

    My wife got ALS. They did everything possible to accommodate me. They realized that company loyalty is a two way street.

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  23. I guess it just depends on the type of person? by adosch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I will caveat this with that I actively have just over 14 years of workplace experience in my "field of employment", which since I am a /.'er, I guess that lumps me into IT in some what shape or form.

    With that, I live in a right-to-work state and spent almost 9 of those years as a government contractor. I endured the typical BS: pay cuts, freezes, lousy raises, a government furlough, health care hikes to make you make less for that year with your raise, benefit slashes with contract renewals going to the next company, shitty co-workers, shitty projects, shitty managers, worker shortage, attrition, ect. I could go on and on. The point I am making is: I was afforded every opportunity, reason to quit and walk the fuck out and there will always will be reason after reason to make you want to quit your job without reason and throw up the double fingers. The grass is never greener anywhere, it's always the same, drab shade it will always ever be, it's just what you make of it.

    When I finally decided it was time to go, and move onto another position I was approached with in the private sector, I had plenty of vacation banked to take off a month paid, then put in a hastily typed immediate resignation letter and walked right out the day after coming back in. Did I? I would have loved to like anyone else dreams of doing but I didn't. I worked out my two weeks faithfully, documented things, properly transitioned work off as best as anyone can and took the high road. Why? What reason did I have to burn bridges? None. What if I want to go back? Would it be worth the happy hour story of being the Robin Hood of Everyone-Wants-To-Be to tell that one story where you told your employer to fuck off? Probably not.

    People have very little reason to in general to spite their employer back and not put in a courtesy two weeks --- usually the things that burn us and drive us to that point all are business or environmental culture things that are most of the time out of our control and end up in the constant cross fire in. Did your job, as long as you did it, always yield a paycheck and some sort of benefits? Isn't that why you were there to begin with?

    I'm not advocating you stay in toxic, cancerous or career suicide workplaces, what I am saying is there is this definite trend in people today, especially the millennial YOLO brats that have an over-inflated ego of worth and dedication. I was raised to do a job, do it well, never half ass and build a brand and name for yourself. Others don't operate that way.

  24. I've always given notice. by SvnLyrBrto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Even in situations where the place was going to hell and was suffering under the worst managers. (In the case I'm thinking of; a big, very bro-y, MBA-ish, golf-buddies-get-promoted, east-coast logistics company acquired the close-knit San Francisco tech company I worked for. The cultural differences were irreconcilable for more than a few of us.) The thing is, I wasn't giving notice for the benefit of the company. I was giving notice for the benefit of my co-workers. (The legacy ones from our days as our own company, that is.). Two weeks may not be enough time to hire an actual replacement. But if you're on the ball, you can cram in a lot of knowledge transfer and not leave your friends and colleagues hanging (Any more than is absolutely necessary as a consequence of your leaving.).

    To provoke a no-notice resignation, I think I'd have to have become aware that the company was breaking the law or engaged in a serious ethical violation. Physical violence, or sexual harassment or orientation discrimination would probably do the trick too.

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  25. My boss and I both documented well in two weeks by raymorris · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I last changed jobs, I spent much of that two weeks cleaning up documentation and writing a simple and direct "introduction to the position" document for my replacement. During that time, my boss and backup did my normal duties. In doing so, she ran into a few hurdles, some questions. I was there to assist. By the day I left, she had been doing my daily job for two weeks. (While interviewing, I arranged for our workload to be light for the following few weeks).

    At my current job, my boss recently quit. During his two weeks, he spent probably 60 hours documenting like crazy and demonstrating stuff for those of us he left behind. That was VERY helpful for us.

  26. Re:Always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    That duty is to shareholders. 51% of employees in the United States are employed by small companies. Some of those small companies are not corporations with multiple shareholders. Sometimes there is only a single shareholder. These owners have no duty to other shareholders and can spend the company money in any way they legally see fit.

    It's amazing how many asshats on Slashdot make blanket statements like ALL COMPANIES WANT TO RAPE YOU ANALLY.

    Jesus Christ, get a grip on reality.

  27. Re:Always by sabri · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I will second this as well.

    My father, an immigrant, had been working for the same company for almost 25 years. Made it from blue collar worker to upper management. At some point, war broke out in his home country. He went to his boss and asked for a leave of absence to get his mother out of the war zone. The next day, he was called into a meeting of top executives.

    He got told: " You have been working for us for 25 years, it's time for us to do something in return". They arranged for flights for him and me, hotel rooms, and at the airport they had a large amount of US currency waiting for us. Needless to say, he got as much time as needed. We ended up saving over 20 family members from the Kosovo war in 1999.

    The company was a large multinational company, not some small family owned shop. Even today, this impresses me. Not all corporations are bad.

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  28. Re: I always quit without notice by lucm · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure they all miss you

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  29. Re:Always by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I work for a small (formerly family-owned) company.

    That's one of the secrets, right there. Work in a place where the decision-makers actually reside and whom you will occasionally encounter, and you have a chance of being treated with respect. If "corporate" is in another town, all bets are off.

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  30. The best way to pull a Jonny Paycheck by laurencetux · · Score: 2

    call in sick and warn the coworkers to call in sick and then park across the street when the FBI/IRS/FTC/FCC does a raid on them.

  31. Untrue by sonamchauhan · · Score: 5, Informative

    No. There Is No Effective Fiduciary Duty to Maximize Profits
    https://medium.com/bull-market...

    I realise what you are saying is effectively believed to be true by millions, but its little more than a cultural myth. I'm writing in the hope people starting new companies don't behave in the crass manner you describe.

  32. Two Way Street by nick_davison · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Does the company give at least two weeks paid notice to everyone it terminates?
    Then my minimum will also be two weeks notice.

    Does the company usually just tell people to gather their things and pay out the minimum it's legally required to?
    Then my minimum will be the same.

    Does the company generally give a couple of weeks severance unless for cause?
    Then my minimum is also two weeks unless I'm quitting due to their cause.

    Does the company have a good standard severance package?
    Then I will also give them the option to have my work out longer.

    Note: I say minimums. I'm also aware that, as poor as their behavior may be, I've also got my own reputation to watch out for. They may be a bunch of asshats. But my next employer is likely looking for reassurance that they'll get a respectful notice period and my quitting without notice, unless it's really easy to justify, just makes me look bad to future employers who background check.

  33. Re:Depends on the job.. by lucm · · Score: 3, Informative

    I get calls all the time from people on my professional network asking about such or such person because they saw on their resume that they worked at a same place I used to. Often if I don't know them I will make a call to whoever I know and trust that still work there, and I'll get the straight dope. There's even been cases of double hops, with my contact reaching out to his own contacts. That's how a good network works.

    When I get those calls I never badmouth anyone, but I've given enough glowing reviews about excellent former coworkers that people who ask me can tell from the lack of enthusiasm when they're dealing with a bad apple. And anyone who leaves without warning is a bad apple in my book.

    Employment verification between HR departments usually serves the purpose of validating the dates on your resume. If the role to fill has any importance, it's the informal calls or discussions during a random encounter at a trade show that will seal your fate.

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  34. As A Manager... by nick_davison · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I'm doing my job properly as a manager, no one should ever be indispensable.

    Highly valued? Sure. I want to build a team where everyone is exceptionally valued.

    But if anyone ever becomes indispensable, I've failed in my job as a manager.

    Why? The hit by a bus factor. That wonderful employee who loves me, who I love... can still get hit by a bus. Can still get sick. Can still have a loved one die. Can still have a relative offer to pay all expenses for a once in a lifetime six week world trip.

    If I have any employee that I can't keep my team running without, even at zero notice, I'm not running my team well.

    It may suck. It may be sad. It may require some juggling I'd much rather not do. But any indispensability means I've done my job badly.

    This means, if someone quits with zero notice, I can handle it.

    At that point, it's actually a good thing anyway. If they're so pissed off that they'd statement quit, I don't need them in the office, poisoning others, dragging their heels through their short timer's disease. Let's get them somewhere where they're happy and get my team of great people back doing great things. We'll live.

    Strange thing? When you have a well run team that you can already be confident in, people rarely statement quit anyway. For some reason, they don't seem to feel the need. Imagine that. And when they do? You've got it handled anyway.

  35. Re:Always by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Hey counsellor, notable legal minds such as Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito disagree with you.

    While it is certainly true that a central objective of for-profit corporations is to make money, modern corporate law does not require for-profit corporations to pursue profit at the expense of everything else, and many do not do so. For-profit corporations, with ownership approval, support a wide variety of charitable causes, and it is not at all uncommon for such corporations to further humanitarian and other altruistic objectives. Many examples come readily to mind. So long as its owners agree, a for-profit corporation may take costly pollution-control and energy-conservation measures that go beyond what the law requires. A for-profit corporation that operates facilities in other countries may exceed the requirements of local law regarding working conditions and benefits.

    Source: Court's opinion in Burwell v Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc.

    There is NO legally enforceable fiduciary duty imposed on companies to "maximize shareholder value" or "maximize share price." Executives and the board have a duty of care -- to make prudent decisions in the governance of the corporation; a duty of loyalty -- to act in the best interests of the organization; and a duty of obedience -- to make decisions and take action that are in accordance with the corporation's mission.

    The corporation's mission can be ANY legal activity or goal. While that mission MAY include "maximizing shareholder value" or "maximizing share price," there is no provision under the law which forces the company to work in the interests of that particular mission, or even adopt that mission as their own.

    Your entire legal argument is, in short, based on apparently a single viewing of Wall Street back in 1987. But thanks for playing, chum.

  36. Re:Always by macs4all · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I work for a small (formerly family-owned) company.

    That's one of the secrets, right there. Work in a place where the decision-makers actually reside and whom you will occasionally encounter, and you have a chance of being treated with respect. If "corporate" is in another town, all bets are off.

    I second that. I work for a Mom and Pop ( literally) software consultancy. They truly do treat their employees like extended family, and bend over backwards to accommodate employees with family problems.

    I could make more at another place; but there is something nice about not having to look over your shoulder nor having to keep your resume polished...

  37. That seems really short sighted today by damn_registrars · · Score: 2

    I've been on the job market - while employed and with my employer fully aware that I am searching - for well over a year now. I hold an advanced STEM degree. The job market quite simply sucks giant blue whale testicles. Yeah, there are lots of jobs out there but in the geographic region I'm in they are looking mostly for engineers while I am a scientist (I try to convince them otherwise and they ignore me). The biggest problem is getting my resume read by an actual living breathing human being; many people know that the vast overwhelming majority of employers do their initial screening with a commercial algorithm that their own HR department doesn't being to know the first thing about. If I manage to hit the right key works to get past there, I find that I applied to a position that the employer already had a candidate for.

    In other words, an applicant faces so many hurdles beyond their control right now that it would be a poor idea for them to place any more in their own way. I've had employers in the past with whom I gave 2 weeks notice to and they accepted it and allowed me to leave earlier to start my new job; this is not terribly uncommon. It is far better to give the notice to retain the positive reference if at all possible.

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  38. Re: I always quit without notice by taustin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The reason you can't find a decent job is because companies that are good to work at won't hire people like you.

    You don't give notice because you give a shit about your (soon to be former) employer, you give notice because that's what a professional does. Walk out without notice and you declare "I am not a professional."

    Small wonder you can only get shitty jobs. You're a shitty employee.

  39. Re: I always quit without notice by Desler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You don't give notice because you give a shit about your (soon to be former) employer, you give notice because that's what a professional does. Walk out without notice and you declare "I am not a professional."

    And yet it's "professional" to just walk an employee out the door without prior notice? Riiiiiight.

  40. 3 months is the rule here... by Terje+Mathisen · · Score: 2

    I have worked previously in the US but I must say that I prefer the Scandinavian setup we have here (in Oslo, Norway):

    You must give notice, typically 3 months from the end of the current month, and if your employer wants to fire you they must also give similar notice, i.e. 3+ months.

    For older/more senior employees the notice interval increases for the employer, up to 6+ months for a worker in her sixties.

    What this means is that both parties know that they have to stay civilized.

    In a case of possible conflict of interest it is common for these long notice intervals to be negotiated down, sometimes to zero. I.e. when I considered leaving my then job to go work for a major client of ours, my CEO told me that I would be allowed to leave immediately. (I didn't accept that offer so the question became moot.)

    OTOH, I have been in a situation where I effectively quit immediately, but that was only an in-house transfer:

    I went to my yearly performance review after a year of effectively being my own boss, but I still needed someone to be responsible for signing my time sheets and travel expenses etc, so the same person was doing my review.

    The guy started the review by saying "Terje, as we both know you aren't really working for me so I had to go out and ask a few of the people you have been helping over the last year, and according to them it sounded like we should put a statue of you outside the corporate headquarters!"

    OK, so at this point I was thinking 'This is going very well!' but then he continued "- but since I have a limited sum to distribute for pay raises I have reserved that for my own people and given you a negative evaluation so you will not be getting anything this year".

    At this point I stood up, saying "I don't think we have anything else to talk about", left the room and went directly to HR telling them they had better find me a new boss to report to.

    Terje

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  41. Re: I always quit without notice by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

    And yet it's "professional" to just walk an employee out the door without prior notice? Riiiiiight.

    It isn't.
    That why most companies don't do that either.

    Asshole companies get asshole employees and asshole employees get asshole companies.

    Most people and companies aren't assholes, and they'll both be decent about ending employment.

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  42. Re: I always quit without notice by ultranova · · Score: 2

    You don't give notice because you give a shit about your (soon to be former) employer, you give notice because that's what a professional does. Walk out without notice and you declare "I am not a professional."

    No, what you are declaring is that you don't consider the company greater than yourself. Two-week notice for one and having guards escort you to the door for the other are primarily an obedience ritual establishing and reinforcing society's power relations. "Professionalism" is really just our version of chivalry and bushido: a set of behaviours designed to transfer power from people to structures, all wrapped in philosophical bullshit which lets people pretend they're "professionals" or "honorable" rather than what they actually are: slaves.

    Small wonder you can only get shitty jobs. You're a shitty employee.

    Of course they are, just like George Washington and his merry band were shitty subjects to the English crown. People with a sense of self-worth tend to make for shitty subjects. It doesn't mean they're wrong, though.

    You're not wrong in describing cause and effect, but you are wrong in taking this causal relation as an unalterable law of nature rather than a social construct which can be changed. An unconditional and livable citizen wage, for example, would instantly depotentate unemployment as a threat and thus make people more free, or at least less beholden to the soulless legal constructs known as companies we've given near-divine status in our society.

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  43. Re:Other way around? by Cederic · · Score: 2

    I had a CIO grab me the day after I tendered my resignation and tell me he wasn't going to make a counter offer because they don't help at all.

    I told him that was fine, as I would have had to decline one anyway as nothing he could offer would address the reasons I was leaving.

    He did however want to know those reasons. People left the company rather less voluntarily as a result. Other changes were made. I'm happier at my new employer, and my former colleagues also have a better working environment.

    Sometimes a well regarded employee leaving is a trigger for senior management recognition that there is a problem; until then it's perceived as bitching, or they think they're dealing with it, or they lack the ammunition to tell their superiors that this is not sustainable. Twice now my departure from an organisation has led to sizeable change to improve working conditions and environment.

  44. Re: I always quit without notice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Glassdoor.com

  45. No they don't. by PortHaven · · Score: 2

    They don't care if they burn out, destroy moral, etc. They'll just import more H1B Visas.

  46. Re: I always quit without notice by shaitand · · Score: 2

    Yes, it is this way. In most corporate environments this is standard procedure. Unless they are mad at you the escort is normally your supervisor or what have you not security. And usually they will tell you at the end of the day or before you start your day. This way an employee has no opportunity to steal company property, sabotage systems, etc.

    Things are generally very different in an environment with 20 people. When I've worked in small environments two weeks notice was never an issue and leaving was treated with dignity and discretion. Although not severance, most small businesses couldn't afford severance. When people are talking about corporations and profit machines they aren't talking about incorporated small organizations. Large organizations including publicly traded are a different animal and it isn't the same problem scaled they enjoy efficiency of scale that allows for larger cash flow and substantially greater profit and can/should be passing the benefits on to their staff. Small business on the other hand has to try to compete with those advantages and trying to do so actually just makes it even more difficult for them... which of course just gives that much more benefit to the large entities.

  47. Re: I always quit without notice by p0larity · · Score: 2