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AT&T Thinks Drones Can Fix Terrible Reception At Baseball Games, Music Concerts (marketwatch.com)

Cell services are at some of their worst behaviors at music concerts, baseball games and other similar large public gatherings. AT&T thinks it might have a solution for it. In a blog post today, the carrier company announced the idea of building cell extensions into drones and flying them in to handle the large dense traffic demands. From a report:AT&T has dubbed the drones "Flying COWs" -- the COW stands for âoeCell on Wings.â The drones would boost LTE coverage to areas in need of it during occasional large events. They would be tethered to the ground to prevent them from going rogue and flying away. The trial project is part of AT&T's just-launched national drone program, which will focus on how AT&T and its customers can benefit from drones. The program director, Art Pregler, said they wouldn't have to fly too high, perhaps just under the roofline of stadiums or buildings. AT&T also envisions that Flying COWs could provide boosted coverage in disaster response situations, particularly when vehicles aren't otherwise able to drive into the affected areas.

114 comments

  1. I bet the FBI wants in on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Flying Stingrays!

    1. Re:I bet the FBI wants in on this by Woldscum · · Score: 1

      Already in place. Not on drones but in Cessnas.

    2. Re:I bet the FBI wants in on this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      +1, depressingly accurate

  2. Sky hook by QuietLagoon · · Score: 2

    ...They would be tethered to the ground to prevent them from going rogue and flying away....

    And they could be tethered to a sky hook to prevent them from going rogue and falling out of the sky onto people.

    1. Re:Sky hook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why aren't these blimps?

    2. Re:Sky hook by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Because drones! Why use a tethered blimp when you could use a dangerous, noisy, power-gulping drone that's been tethered in place to remove all of its mobility advantages?

      A few possible answers:
      - Large gatherings are actually only a test case for new experimental hardware - eventually cell "tower" drones could also be used to adapt to changing population densities throughout the day, as well as being deployed in less well-organized settings, such as disaster relief, Burning Man, etc.
      - Blimps have more issues with wind - unless using a triple tether tripod they're going to wander around considerably in even moderate breezes
      - Maybe Google's Project Loon (and others) have enough patents related to cellular blimps that AT&T, with their deep pockets, don't want to make themselves a legal target?

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    3. Re: Sky hook by WarJolt · · Score: 2

      Drones legally can't fly over populated areas and until you prove to me these things can fall out of the sky safety without causing undue hazard to people I say sports events are a dumb place to fly.

    4. Re:Sky hook by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      or they could pack the equipment into a motorized scaffold type structure with extendable 'arm' to raise the antenna portion of the gear.... throw a couple of those into a 24 foot box van with liftgate........ put one in every major city that has these types of service 'issues'. drive it to the venue, use the venue's cooperation for equipment placement, power, and security....... then pack it back up when finished for the next time. existing technology works wonders, no need to legitimize the use of 'drones' for use cases where it makes no sense to 'reinvent the wheel' and where a 'drone' has absolutely no practical advantage.

    5. Re: Sky hook by tchdab1 · · Score: 1

      I'm worried about evil-doers attaching nasty stuff to drones and sending them into crowds like a packed stadium. Prolly not a good idea to allow flying things near crowds until they can be regulated, monitored, controlled.

  3. Drones are the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Would not a balloon be better?

    1. Re:Drones are the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Why not put them on poles? Doesn't that make it all a lot simpler?

    2. Re: Drones are the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't Apple and the music industry trying to make it impossible to use your phone at these shows anyhow?

    3. Re: Drones are the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, but the Artists are. Anyway, it's more of a problem at sporting events than concerts. I tried to use my phone at a Colts game a few months ago and it was unusable.

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    4. Re:Drones are the answer by danbert8 · · Score: 1

      How about mounting them on the Goodyear blimp?

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    5. Re:Drones are the answer by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      Or, since they want to put them "just under the roof line", just stick access points to the roof?

      ( But, naw, that't not hip enough. )

    6. Re: Drones are the answer by ZorinLynx · · Score: 1

      In retrospect I'm surprised at how well my phone worked when at an Orioles game this past Sunday. No problem sending photos from the game and looking up player info. Usually in such crazy crowded conditions my phone becomes useless.

      I guess AT&T has seriously beefed up network capacity at Orioles Park.

    7. Re:Drones are the answer by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

      Somebody wants to save money on equipment. Rather than put a permanent installation on a stadium that's not in use all the time, they want to move extra bandwidth over the highways during rush hour, then "downtown" during the day (or over whichever shopping center / industrial park pays for it). It would be cheaper to use cherry-picker trucks, drive them on station and put up the antennas, but yes, not hip enough, and requires paying a driver while the truck is standing there waiting to be vandalized. The ability to cover a spontaneous location, like a concert or a moving demonstration, would be a bonus.

    8. Re: Drones are the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see it now. Massive protest ended abruptly when signal boosting drones were moved into the path of the protesters, allowing them to catch many more Pokemon.

    9. Re: Drones are the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, you could just watch the game. You are there, after all.

    10. Re: Drones are the answer by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I have never had issues using my phone at Orioles games, but it may be due to the lack of people in the stands.

      But yeah, Camden Yards probably has some pretty beefy wireless infrastructure, it may be because of M&T stadium and Camden Yards so close together. My Verizon phone has never had issues at the game.

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  4. âoeCell on Wings.â??? by mykepredko · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Aren't we at the point where enough is enough?

    To the /. powers that be, could you please update your systems so submitters can copy and paste with a reasonable expectation that characters like double quotes (") don't get mangled? At the very least, downgrade your editor system so these issues can be seen before the item is released?

    Isn't this supposed to be the premier site for âoepropellerheadsâ? I think that it is long past when annoyance this should have been fixed.

    1. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do people have to keep copying and pasting? Why do websites keep posting text written with curly quotes?

    2. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

      ...Isn't this supposed to be the premier site for âoepropellerheadsâ?...

      It used to be... then it got sold.

    3. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Aren't we at the point where enough is enough?

      Shortly after the new overlords took over this year they kept promising that unicode support was just around the corner. Unfortunately the interaction from the overlords seems to have dropped off in recent months.

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    4. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by Yvan256 · · Score: 1

      Probably because the email address for the overlords is WeAreÉvil@slashdot.org

    5. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's bizarre that this character encoding bug does not bother the operators of the site. Slashdot has passed through several owners. None of them cared to move to UTF-8. It's weird. It's really annoying. It's lame.

    6. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      A few years ago I wasn't able to log anymore because my login name was "Frédéric", I managed to log with Fr&#E9d&#E9ric or something like this, then after another update I was not able again, and I had to email the developper so they changed my login name in the database to Frederic54...

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    7. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It used to be (... then it got sold)**n

      I've fixed the form of your equation, but I've lost count of how many n is.

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    8. Re:âoeCell on Wings.â??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yep, feels pretty rudderless. lots of crap. more than usual and particularly inane.

  5. OK COWGUY! by cfalcon · · Score: 1

    Ok Cowguy, here's your chance. Tell us what drones say, or what we say, or whatever. This is it, your big chance!

    1. Re:OK COWGUY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The drones say moo. Moo cows moo. You drones.

    2. Re:OK COWGUY! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Modern app appers know that only apps can app cow drone apps. Only LUDDITE cows go mooooo. You LUDDITES!

      Apps!

  6. What? by Thelasko · · Score: 1

    I can't hear you over the sound of the drone hovering over my head!

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  7. More Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Yes, just what everyone wants, more people shoving more phones up to take pictures of an event they're not even looking at.

  8. Yeah. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 1

    What we really need is for everyone to get used to drones flying around crowded stadiums.

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  9. Just think! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What if when you go to a music concert, baseball game, or any other large gathering, you watch what you paid for instead of staring at your stupid facebook app all evening? Then there will be plenty of bandwidth available at that location. Problem solved.

    Or if you really can't just stop staring at the screen. Go home! You're ruining it for everyone else.

    1. Re:Just think! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Ever been to a baseball game? Aside from the delays on the field, every inning break has to be two minutes long to insert commercials. There's quite a bit of dead time, with nothing more exciting to watch than infield practice.

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  10. If they're tethered use a damn balloon. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is all.

  11. Balloon? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it is tethered anyways why would you do a drone instead of a balloon?

  12. Technology overkill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they are going to tether the drone, wouldn't it be cheaper to attach the cell signal extender to a balloon instead? Why spend the money on a noisy drone that is going be hovering in a fixed position, when some mylar and helium can do the job for a fraction of the cost?

    1. Re:Technology overkill by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      If you're going to tether the drone anyway, wouldn't it be cheaper to stick it on a wooden pole and hire somebody from the Home Depot parking lot to hold it up for three hours? I mean, I'm being slightly sarcastic here, but this use of drones might be the most bizarre idea I've heard in a long time. I can't imagine they'd be able to keep the weight below the legal safety limits for drones flying over populated areas....

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  13. tethered? ever heard of balloons? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why do they need tethered drones? ever heard of balloons?

  14. Why Drones? by nicholasjay · · Score: 2

    Why does it have to be 'drones?' If they are tethered to the ground anyway, why wouldn't balloons be an easier and cheaper solution than a hovering quadcopter?

    1. Re:Why Drones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not as much media hype when you use the term 'balloon'

      I mean, they could also tell the venue owners to install antennas in their stadiums, but that would be significantly less cool.

    2. Re:Why Drones? by ClickOnThis · · Score: 1

      Why does it have to be 'drones?' If they are tethered to the ground anyway, why wouldn't balloons be an easier and cheaper solution than a hovering quadcopter?

      Because America.

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    3. Re:Why Drones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or a fucking mast... Sometimes these golly-gee tech worship articles are nauseating. How about 3D printed drones from a private space colony with asteroid mined rare earth minerals? Yeah, man, it's the future!

    4. Re:Why Drones? by kwerle · · Score: 1

      Why wouldn't you just plant another pole? Or put it on existing poles. It's not like these stadiums are mobile.

    5. Re:Why Drones? by messymerry · · Score: 1

      AT&T dispensed with Occam's Razor ages ago. Someone else suggested they be put on poles. I have another solution: Instead of enhancing LTE services, let's have blocking devices and make it a "No Phon Zone".

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    6. Re:Why Drones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why does it have to be 'drones?' If they are tethered to the ground anyway, why wouldn't balloons be an easier and cheaper solution than a hovering quadcopter?

      Because drones require remote control, and if you're gonna use up a lot of extra bandwidth to please people, why not use a hair more RF to endanger them? Always someone else to blame!

    7. Re:Why Drones? by asavage · · Score: 1

      Yeah exactly. There is a big event at most sport arenas multiple times a week. It should be much cheaper to just install more fixed towers in the area.

    8. Re:Why Drones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or if inside a stadium, just put it on the inside of the stadium roof, or on the lights. How does a "drone" help other than being the current cool thing?

    9. Re:Why Drones? by ItsJustAPseudonym · · Score: 1

      Quadcopters are noisy, too. And have limited flight-time. I don't see any advantage.

    10. Re:Why Drones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet google has a patent of using balloons to create any network coverage from its internet balloons project. So they have to use drones, because that is a totally new invention.

    11. Re:Why Drones? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, that way doctors and IT professionals can't see any games, as they'll be on call can have no way to answer a call (and slip away to where their call won't bother the opera-like quietness you typically get at a sports field). I'm sure the nerds reading this site will be happy with that.

    12. Re:Why Drones? by apoc.famine · · Score: 1

      Maybe, maybe not. I'm I bet there's more paperwork for permanent structures than temporary balloons. There wouldn't be any rent to pay, for one. And servicing something that is only off the ground temporarily might be easier than having to climb a tower. I could see them using this a few times per year, then once a month, then applying for a yearly pass on "whenever we need to" which the powers that be would happily stamp that because they're getting sick of approving the repeating paperwork for a "temporary" cell structure.
       
      It seems to me to be a way to get permission to stick a "cell tower" up anytime they want, anywhere they want, with less regulation and paperwork, and maybe less cost.

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    13. Re:Why Drones? by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Why does it have to be balloons? Most of these events are at stadiums or other places where a simple fixed installation plus an extension cord can make all the equipment work as needed.

  15. Go lower tech maybe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If they have to be tethered anyway, why not just use balloons? No computer guidance needed to achieve much the same thing... right?

    1. Re:Go lower tech maybe? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Poles are lower tech than balloons, and you don't have to worry about wind.

  16. I'd rather have drones jam phones at live events by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because izombies with their face constantly down in their phones during live events make me weep for the future of humanity.

  17. who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares when your service is already garbage, overpriced, price gouged, and still operating like a monopoly?

    No one really cares what AT&T thinks.

    1. Re:who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who cares when your service is already garbage, overpriced, price gouged, and still operating like a monopoly?
       
      They're regulated by government powers. Why do you expect them to work any better than the regulators?

  18. Stadiums: No. Emergencies: Yes by SB5407 · · Score: 2

    Hmmm, how to handle large crowds at large, permanent venues? Drones?! Why not just install more permanent hardware?

    It makes sense for emergencies where you have a temporary need though.

    1. Re:Stadiums: No. Emergencies: Yes by ColdWetDog · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, how to handle large crowds at large, permanent venues? Drones?! Why not just install more permanent hardware?

      It makes sense for emergencies where you have a temporary need though.

      Not really. Drones, except the million dollar a pop military type, have limited flight duration. When you want a bit of emergency communications, you probably want it for something on the order of a least multiple hours. Besides, ATT already has mobile cell towers on trailers. Complete with a generator and a week's supply of diesel. If you need some elevation, put the damned wire on a balloon like a dozen other posters have already mentioned.

      Hell, ATT, do we have to do all of the work for you?

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    2. Re:Stadiums: No. Emergencies: Yes by SB5407 · · Score: 1

      I think you're right. This sounds like marketing and not something from their engineering department.

    3. Re:Stadiums: No. Emergencies: Yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Drones with tethers presumably have an almost unlimited flight duration and could be made fairly cheaply as they don't even need to be efficient.

      Balloons is a quippy answer but there are several limitations with balloons compared to powered flight; it's very hard to fix the orientation or position of a balloon in flight and the amount of balloon they'd need is physically large.

      I agree this press release might be more fluff than fact but let's at least make sure our own criticism technically valid before declaring them incompetent.

  19. Flying COWs by Fwipp · · Score: 1

    Okay, "why not use a balloon" aside:

    "Flying Cell-On-Wings" - doesn't the "Wings" part cover that? Unless you're gonna go the whole mile and dress these things up like cows and pronounce it "Flying Cow" (instead of see-oh-double-you).

    1. Re:Flying COWs by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      "Flying Cell-On-Wings" - doesn't the "Wings" part cover that? Unless you're gonna go the whole mile and dress these things up like cows and pronounce it "Flying Cow" (instead of see-oh-double-you).

      Yeah, it's redundant, but Flying COD (Cell-On-Drone) doesn't quite have the same humor factor.

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    2. Re:Flying COWs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it is because COW is already a used term in the mobile industry for cell on wheels. These are deployed for big crowds and emergency services already. The program director for the "flying COW", Art Pregler, sounds like a knob and the entire idea is stupid.

    3. Re:Flying COWs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Flying Cell-On-Wings" - doesn't the "Wings" part cover that? Unless you're gonna go the whole mile and dress these things up like cows and pronounce it "Flying Cow" (instead of see-oh-double-you).

      Yeah, it's redundant, but Flying COD (Cell-On-Drone) doesn't quite have the same humor factor.

      Wouldn't that be a Flying MCRXFTW (Max Cell Range eXtender For The Win)?

    4. Re:Flying COWs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MOO say the COWs.

  20. how does this solve the interference problem? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

    you still have tens of thousands of people broadcasting on the same frequencies and phones still have to filter all that traffic out. how does more towers or drones solve this issue?

    1. Re:how does this solve the interference problem? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      First, you don't have tens of thousand of people broadcasting. But, the solution comes because the temporary cell sites can use different channels and not be on the same ones that the permanent ones are.

    2. Re:how does this solve the interference problem? by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      but since phones can receive at least a dozen frequencies each, isn't each device filtering out all the traffic in the air around it that isn't destined for that device?

    3. Re:how does this solve the interference problem? by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      but since phones can receive at least a dozen frequencies each, isn't each device filtering out all the traffic in the air around it that isn't destined for that device?

      Of course. Too many channels in use and the phones not being selective enough isn't the problem. The problem is that there aren't ENOUGH channels available.

      Each site has a subset of the band to use. That way it doesn't interfere with surrounding sites. For a temporary, small coverage area (like this use) you can use some of the channels used by the surrounding sites because it is unlikely you'll interfere, and if you do, you can live with it for a few hours.

      Plus, if you can bring in a site that's on a different band, then you've added capacity without interfering with neighboring sites.

    4. Re:how does this solve the interference problem? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two components come to mind with respect to the overall radio noise floor: directional antennas and reduced transmission power. If you put 6 cell antennas in a stadium, around the inside perimeter of the seating area, each of those antennas could point outward and only transmit to a subset of the devices in the stadium. And those devices would all -- as they are already programmed to do automatically -- reduce their transmit power to whatever level the tower tells them is sufficient for clear broadcast, so their signals would be significantly less powerful and produce less interference even though they are omnidirectional.

      Certainly there's still a saturation point; your phone only broadcasts so quietly, and you can only sub-divide the stadium into a finite number of chunks. But with clever antenna placement you can make things a lot better just by ensuring that everyone links with a hyper-local tower.

  21. Who cares about events? by hierofalcon · · Score: 1

    How about all the cell phone service providers increase the number of towers so you can get a reliable signal in buildings and not have to go outside to make a call. That'd make a lot of customers far happier in the long run than the inconvenience of not being able to use your cell phone at an event where you're most likely not wanting to be bothered with a call at all and are likely to be asked to keep your cell phones OFF.

    1. Re:Who cares about events? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about all the cell phone service providers increase the number of towers so you can get a reliable signal in buildings and not have to go outside to make a call. That'd make a lot of customers far happier in the long run than the inconvenience of not being able to use your cell phone at an event where you're most likely not wanting to be bothered with a call at all and are likely to be asked to keep your cell phones OFF.

      That costs money. I don't believe they (gov't) have come up with a plan for buying airspace (literal) for the use of wireless technology yet.

  22. How exactly are these cells uploading their data? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How exactly are these cells uploading their data?

    Obviously if the drone cell is getting local data from phones, where/how is it sending that data to completely the call?

    Actual towers are usually hardwired, sometimes wireless using a different technology solution, but I could see lots of wireless cells sitting in a small area being a serious issue overloading the wireless technology solution.

  23. Not a radio engineer... by wbr1 · · Score: 1
    But, I do go to lots of concerts and large events. It seems that this is not a good solution. Most venues I have been to have great signal. The problem seems to be backhaul not enough for demand, or not enough bandwidth (frequency space) in the spectrum.

    Perhaps drones could create micro cells with short range and use a different frequency to comm back to the main tower. However, it would seem cheaper and more prudent just to put a small AP like antenna mounted under certain seats or to other structures in the venue. Even then that does not fix backhaul issues. If your DS3 is full you are just not getting more through it, and in the carrier's defense, it does not seem financially sound to add more backhaul to a place that only sporadically sees high traffic demands.

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  24. Okay neat, but listen. by bistromath007 · · Score: 1

    Sold save some electricity by giving them a place to land, then. Like, say, a little tower? The drones could just pop out of little alcoves and sit in top of the towers. Or heck! Why bother with the alcoves! They can just sit there the whole time! Maybe even weld them right into the towers so they don't fall off.

    I'm not sure what you'd call these towers with little cell radios on them, though. They don't fly anymore... Just COWs I guess? Oh, I know; you're saving alot of money, so you can call towers with cell phone drones attached to them Cash COWs!

    I'm a genius.

    1. Re:Okay neat, but listen. by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 1

      If you only expect to need such a tower for a few days every year - or even a month - it could easily be far more cost effective to use drones. They can be up and down in minutes. You couldn't say the same for a 50 or 100m tower. You also couldn't fix a broken one in the middle of a big event, whereas you could just send up a backup drone.

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    2. Re:Okay neat, but listen. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you only expect to need such a tower for a few days every year - or even a month - it could easily be far more cost effective to use drones. They can be up and down in minutes.

      Most of the venues where these sorts of things would be used are in use year-round, so mounted antennas with cables run back to a trailer in the basement would probably be the easiest solution. Park the trailer, hook up the cables, test everything out, and you're good to go. It's still going to take time to map out the optimal location for each device, though having one or two drones for this phase could be useful. You're also going to need a control station in any case and the drone solution adds a lot more (literally) moving parts, so I'm not sure what's really saved here. Venues will want this sort of capability, so you can probably get them to handle the bulk of the infrastructure. That limits the utility of this solution to outdoor and/or temporary event locations (where towers will likely be set up anyway for other purposes).

      You couldn't say the same for a 50 or 100m tower. You also couldn't fix a broken one in the middle of a big event, whereas you could just send up a backup drone.

      Never plan on doing repairs in the middle of a big event. Install double the capacity you think you'll need and let things fail as the event goes on. At least, that seems to be the bathroom philosophy... In the case of drones, you're not going to want these things moving around when large crowds are present (or so the lawyers will tell you), so swapping them out on the fly isn't going to be an option. Unless they're parked in an area accessible by ladder or catwalk, in which case, why not just mount something instead? This is a solution in search of a problem and I'm not sure we've encountered the right problem yet.

  25. Other option by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People could just watch the event instead of their phone.

  26. Re:I'd rather have drones jam phones at live event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, judgmentally watching all the people around you during an event, deciding whether or not their device usage and other activities are appropriate for your subjective standards, that's a worthwhile activity, and not at all a waste of a live event. Especially the part where you break into tears over the future of humanity. Not causing a scene there, no-sir-ee.

  27. Re:I'd rather have drones jam phones at live event by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You assume too much, like I would actually have to go looking for said phone users instead of wading through izombies like unwashed brain dead masses. You literally can't avoid them anymore.

  28. 2 birds by A10Mechanic · · Score: 1

    Why not an inflatable pig cell hub? At a concert. It might be just the incentive needed to get Pink Floyd back together again.

  29. Ummm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why take the most complicated option possible? Oh... because disrupt. Gotta show those kids that AT&T is the cool dad that is hip to all the jive the kids are rapping about. Word to your mother.

  30. Great idea! by godrik · · Score: 1

    Drones hovering over peoples head in an area where balls are batted at high velocity. What could possibly go wrong.

  31. Drones over stadiums - "Black Sunday" by DutchUncle · · Score: 1

    For the youngsters: a 1977 movie (based on a book) about hijacking and booby-trapping the blimp covering the Super Bowl so that it will blow up over the stadium.

    1. Re:Drones over stadiums - "Black Sunday" by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I wondered how far I'd have to scroll to see the word "blimp". The obvious solution is to build lighter-than-air craft to do this job, and sell advertising on them too.

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  32. Wait, I have a better solution! by kheldan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's my solution:
    If you go to an athletic event or music concert, how about you go to an atheletic event or music concert to watch the bloody gods-be-damned athletic event or music concert, and not fuck around on your gods-be-damned phone the entire time! Or is that just too triggering for you people addicted to your gods-be-damned phones?

    Stop walking through your lives with your eyes glued to your stupid phones and actually live your life!

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    1. Re:Wait, I have a better solution! by Webmoth · · Score: 1

      Just think of all the Pokemons spawning at the event attended by hundreds of thousands of people that you'd miss out on!

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    2. Re:Wait, I have a better solution! by DRJlaw · · Score: 0

      Here's my solution: ...
      Stop walking through your lives with your eyes glued to your stupid phones and actually live your life...

      by spending your days staring at a computer monitor and attempting to tell the masses how to live their lives instead!

      Well, they'll certainly reform now that some pseudononymous oldster posting on slashdot has shown them the error of their ways.

      Or simply continue to do what they're doing while waiting for you to todder off into oblivion. Like younger generations always have.

    3. Re:Wait, I have a better solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Knows JACK SHIT about me
      Sees fit to mouth off about it anyhow
      Meanwhile he's just another mouth-breather staring idiotically at Angry Birds or Candy Crush or whatever other inane twitch-game lemmings like he is wastes time with this week

      How about you shove it up your ass, you fucking two-digit-IQ jerk? ANYTHING I do with my time makes more sense than you autistic throwbacks drooling all over your rediculous phones and their even more rediculous, nonsensical, waste-of-time-and-money 'apps'. Why don't you just admit that you're angry for being called out for the waste of oxygen that you are?

      Oh, and you're probably fat, weak, disgusting, and alone. Is your phone your waifu, too?

    4. Re:Wait, I have a better solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen

    5. Re:Wait, I have a better solution! by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Here's my solution:
        If you go to an athletic event or music concert

      Those two are not the same thing. Unless you're talking about a music festival where you may be faced with countless boring acts you can't give a crap about.

      A large show for a main band is all good and fine, but many gathers for people have people interested in just a few key items. No one is watching intensely as tennis players sit on the sideline drinking water. No one cares for an athletic event full of people you're not interested in is on while you're waiting for the person you care about. And god forbid that some weirdo who is actually interested in every moment of a football game exists, they don't need a phone but rather a psychiatrist.

      Stop telling people what they should and shouldn't be interested in.

      Though I do agree shits on their phones can be really damn annoying.

    6. Re:Wait, I have a better solution! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about just before the event and everyone is calling their friends trying to meet up in the parking lot, or the same thing after the event is over? On the 4th of July I was trying to meet up with some friends before fireworks and it was pretty clear the cell network was overloaded, so I could barely make calls or send text messages. That town is really only that busy once or twice a year and something like this would be perfect for them.

  33. Re:How exactly are these cells uploading their dat by zlives · · Score: 1

    ding ding ding, you get a COWdrone

  34. ...which renders this bit of doggerel obsolete... by Ann+O'Nymous-Coward · · Score: 1

    Little birdie flying high,
    dropped a message from the sky.
    As I wiped it from my eye,
    I thanked the lord that cows don't fly!

  35. This will happen... by KermitJunior · · Score: 1

    ...when cows fly.

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  36. Concerns by mysidia · · Score: 1

    Roving Radiofrequency Interference source; We need to get a FCC rule limiting such mobile Cell stations to 1.5 Watts PEP transmitter power......

  37. This would last only until DHS shuts it down ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

    ... Probably right after the first drone-carried bomb, false-flagged as a communication company's bandwidth-booster, goes off over, or in, a stadium crowd.

    Although why terrorists keep using bombs has always puzzled me, since an aerosol of a nerve agent or disease spores would do far more damage - and the latter might not even be noticed until long after the event.

    Or start with firebombs at the exits. Mass murders with "fire in a crowded venue" have historically had FAR higher body counts that "deranged shooter in a gun-free zone" incidents. (Especially when the exits are blocked - usually by venue operators, in violation of fire codes, to avoid people sneaking in without paying.) Muslims might not go for this, though, since they do have a prohibition on using fire in war (though some of them seem to keep finding exceptions to that rule). But they're far from the entire population of terrorists.

    It's also puzzled me why they always seem to go after crowds of ordinary people, rather than the ruling class. Cultural issues, maybe? Easier targets? An ideology that says every voter is responsible for a republic's bad deeds?

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  38. Who cares? by plopez · · Score: 1

    Now drones delivering beer, that's "Stuff That Matters"(tm)

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  39. OH AT&T by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The company that wiretaps all your shit has drone plans.

    OH ok.

  40. As expensive as basebal and concert tickets are... by rnturn · · Score: 1

    ... you'd think the attendees would, you know, actually pay attention to the event. Silly me.

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  41. Tether for power by bobbutts · · Score: 1

    That solves the battery problem. With a power feed in the tether the flight time should be virtually unlimited.

  42. Re:This would last only until DHS shuts it down .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The goal of most terrorists is *not* to kill the highest number of people, and certainly not with any concern about efficiency.

  43. How does the signal get out of the building? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there is a spectrum bottleneck, how will more antennas help? My phone can reach one of the multiple flying antennas, but how will the data get out of the building?

  44. "social media posts with photos" is the new unit? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    During the 2011 Super Bowl, 177 gigabytes were used on AT&Tâ(TM)s in-stadium network. That number increased in 2016 to 5.2 terabytes, which is equivalent to 15 million social media posts with photos.

  45. ATT drops Alicia Keys sponsorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  46. Re:This would last only until DHS shuts it down .. by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    The last terrorist attempt using nerve gas I know of was that one in Japan, that killed 12 people in a jam-packed subway system. The terrorists had high-tech assistance (or they wouldn't have had the nerve gas) and failed to do anything serious about making sure it got dispersed. Dispersal is, I believe, tricky. Bombs are easier to get, lower tech, and are fairly easy to get right.

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  47. Is this some type of flash-mob baseball game? by MiniMike · · Score: 1

    I was under the impression that these baseball/concert stadiums are relatively permanent structures. Why can't they just mount a few of these on the overhang above the fans/field? Seems simpler, cheaper, and easier to implement. If the cost of the communications equipment is prohibitive, they could just have a few mounts in each stadium and move the equipment around as needed.

  48. So stupid by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    Let,s see. The cell tower is expensive, so it's not worth building more for the occasional event. The drone costs $2K, so it's cheaper. I get that. And we don't want it to fly away, so we'll tie it to the ground. So much for ease, convenience, and on-the-fly deployment. And, of course, we get the buzzing sound over music concerts, that'll go over great.

    Here's a better idea. Build the drone for $2K, tie a helium baloon to it, and tie the baloon to the venue.

    Here's a simpler idea. Build the drone for $2K, and just glue it to the ceiling. The 10 million dollar stadium can have a $2K cell booster as the budget overage.