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Donald Trump Signs Pledge To Crack Down On Internet Porn (pcworld.com)
Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has pledged to crack down on Internet pornography via corporate partnerships -- and he could possibly establish a federal commission on the harmful effects of porngraphy, a nonprofit announced Monday. The announcement comes a day after the New York Post ran a full-page nude photo of Melania Trump, wife of Donald Trump, on its cover. PCWorld reports: Enough is Enough, a nonprofit dedicated to confronting online pornography, child pornography, child stalking and sexual predation, published Trump's signed pledge on Monday. Trump's opponent Hillary Clinton refused to sign the pledge, Enough is Enough said, though her campaign told EiE that she supported its goals. "Preventing the sexual exploitation of youth online requires a multi-faceted holistic strategy with a shared responsibility between the public, industry, and government," Donna Rice Hughes, the chief executive of Enough is Enough, said in a statement. "The need for aggressive enforcement of existing laws and adequate funding for Law Enforcement to do the job is long overdue. For nearly two decades, bi-partisan government commissions, task forces, Internet safety groups, and researchers, who have recognized the significant risks associated with unfettered Internet access by youth, and have called upon the government and law enforcement to take aggressive action."
This makes no sense.
Porn is a menace. We should ban it.
Ban everything.
Everything is bad.
Let the kids fap?
You are being ripped off every second of every day, so that advertisers can help rip you off even more tomorrow.
It's time for the ringer to throw the election and make sure the Clinton Coronation proceeds unfettered.
if this isn't a deal breaker for the 22% of slashdotters who would vote for Trump https://slashdot.org/poll/2997...
Build a firewall and make the internets pay for it!
So much for being the cool candidate.
America, land of the sexually repressed and violent.
Man he is really dedicated to getting back that sex tape.
He's done. If he thinks, Hillary or Ted are annoying, prepare for a 100 Million horny nerds...
Without porn the Internet would be a ghost town.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/...
The artist got beat up a couple times for this.
I want to hear from the feminist advocates, especially from Melania Trump herself.
Pornography wouldn't be such a big deal if the level of prudery in the US were toned down a bit. OMG A NIPPLE ON TV, MY KID COULD HAVE SEEN THAT!
You know what, we're all born nude, most of us have been fed at the breast, and we're all physically different. Whether male or female, who cares? It's like the Streisand Effect. Drawing attention to it is what makes it worse. Nudity shouldn't be taboo. Being taboo is a big driver for the porn industry.
Trump: "Porn’s not going to go into the Internets, all right? You can mark it down. You can put it down. You can take it anywhere you want."
Can't wait to see how this is going to turn out...
Wasn't Donna Rice Hughes the chick that was screwing the married Senator Gary Hart? I remember her. She was screwing a married man. Let me guess: she is a Born Again Christian? Christians would be funny if they weren't so harmful and pathetic.
I'm pretty sure he just lost the election right now...
This might look like a moral crusade to you but porn has fundamentally altered the relationship dynamics of the modern world.
Perhaps, but whether that is for better or worse is debatable and a matter of opinion. I would argue that allowing legal outlets for people to indulge their inner fantasies is a good thing. It is almost certainly better than living in a more conservative society where such people would be forced to break the law just to satisfy harmless urges.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
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Crack down on porn == Think of the children and allow us to implement internet censorship (it won't just be used for pron).
This is a perfect manoeuver to peak against net neutrality rules. "Well, porn *is* legal, so if we craft specific online channels, those who want evil, filthy smut can pay a premium for it." This will be the first step in covering that slippery slope in Astroglide.
Why was that an AC post? Lack of appropriate evidence? Without saying whether or not I would personally look at any porn, I can present such evidence:
Around '97 I was working for one of the first ISPs in this country, and the president came right out and said that porn was paying for the Internet. I can't remember his exact words, but that was the gist of it. (Can't ask him now because he got shot to death when he was visiting the States a few years later (but that's another diversion).) I feel like the context of the discussion had included the newsgroup alt.binaries, which I had been running through UUCP between two other ISPs... His company owned one end of a major fiber link and the traffic volume was heavy on the porn. A frame relay pipe? Bad sign when all the personal details start feeling like histories of the Greeks and Romans.
Having said that, maybe this is a case of the broken clock being right twice a day? Here's Bill Maher's version in text form:
http://www.hbo.com/real-time-w...
Another bad sign? I remember the video as though it was much more recent than 2011, but the text seems to match my memories pretty well.
Porn considered harmful?
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
Parental responsibility?
In the USA? Are you kidding? A place where parents can't leave their kids in a car 5 minutes while they run an errand? Can't let their kids play in a park next to their home? Can't let a 14 year old stay at home by themselves for an hour before parent gets home from work?
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
Then why don't you talk to this "Enough is Enough" group and tell them to take the non-child pornography off the list of things they want to ban?
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
Couldn't find an HBO version, but here's a link to the video:
http://yourbrainonporn.com/com...
Did I mention that I worked in a convenience store during my student days...
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
I assume what he means is now that he's removed Melania's Bio website he will be issuing take down notices to all the sites sporting nude photos of his wife during her modeling career.
I think the real interesting bit, which the summary decided to leave out, is in TFA:
Clinton's campaign reportedly says that it supports the pledge's goals.
If memory serves (and I could be wrong), wasn't Clinton one of the advocates for greater control of video games back when that was the menace du jour that we must protect children from?
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Child porn is already highly illegal, buddy. Did you not notice that, or what?
Also, just more evidence that apparently he has NOT read the Constitution.
Be against child porn? Absolutely. No problems with that, it's already against the law and is obviously harmful to children because it exploits them and damages them -- but all pornography? No. A legal adult viewing content created using legal adults is not anything that should be 'cracked down on'. You don't like it, don't watch it, but don't tell me or anyone else what we can and can't watch.
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My parents did a lousy job when it came to pornography. I had to go over to a friend's house to look at his father's stack of Playboy magazines. I have fond memories of Playboy back in the 1970's.
By that he will lose 98% of his constituency
The NY Post just ran a story this weekend about Melania Trump posing nude in a lesbian-themed photo shoot. This is open hypocrisy, really.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the nude photos of Trump's wife.
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He's just trying to drive up the price of the booth rentals and DVDs in his porn shops, *Step right in, all girl show, come inside*. The internet is competition.
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Did you see the picture of the guy (Alé de Basseville) taking the photos? Seriously, I think he might be a vampire.
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Trump's opponent Hillary Clinton refused to sign the pledge, Enough is Enough said, though her campaign told EiE that she supported its goals
So essentially, the other band said "We're not signing this but we are totally for fighting child pornography". I think the main issue is that the NGO mixes child pornography (illegal and universally condemned) with regular pornography (legal and with mixed reception among voters), so they could not take a stance without getting in a position where they could be accused of assisting child pornographers or something like that.
This might look like a moral crusade to you but porn has fundamentally altered the relationship dynamics of the modern world.
Humans have been fundamentally altering the relationship dynamics of the modern world ever since the first human decided they knew exactly what a "perfect" relationship should be.
Porn wasn't invented yesterday. Neither was divorce, so perhaps we can stop with blaming the Tinder generation now.
...because they're not trying to ban porn. They're trying to ban child porn, and they're trying to restrict access to all the rest to those old enough to view it. How do they think they'll pull this off? That's anyone's guess. It'll probably even be impossible to achieve. However there's nothing wrong with the goals. We don't let minors buy porn mags, why would we let them surf porn on the internet?
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OMG!
He's just trying to prptect us. Sudder the thought if that ever became public. Only two worse things come to mind, GHWBush and Babs. Hill and Huma witha naked Bill watching and whining "Can't I join in."
that he will be able to take down all the porn on the internet?
The best he can do is slow it down. Which means there will still be 100 times more porn than you can watch available.
. . . I don't suppose DT bothered to check and see just what demographic of America he's been attracting every time he tries to channel Archie Bunker, but just to say - he might consider doing a quick back-walk on this one . . .
....time he does an interview then, eh?
which is FABULOUS
My bad, I shouldn't have assumed when they listed regular pornography in a list of things that are illegal and should be banned, it was because they wanted to ban regular pornography too. Maybe we should confront pedophiles, terrorists and PR people?
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
who could be elected president. His fan base are white racists - they have no other options.
It's clear there is a section of his support base for whom this is true, but if that were all he had, or even most of what he had, he'd have no chance. No, much more of his support comes from people who deeply oppose globalization and people who are just mad at the establishment and want anything else.
I have to admit that the clearly racist part of his base is, sadly, much larger than I thought it could be.
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Well, sure, but as we all know, as soon as you tack on the words "on the Internet" then everything becomes novel.</sarcasm>
Log in or piss off.
Just like George Bush expanded the size and intrusion of the government over the people via the TSA and the Department of Homeland Security, Trump will blindly follow his lead and create an even larger, and more expensive, federal government while at the same time claiming he'll cut taxes to increase revenue.
Where have we heard this fantasy before?
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
Would you Bernie-or-bust trolls shut the fuck up? If you can't tell the difference between Trump and Clinton then you're being fucking stupid.
Finally... Donald Trump misfires on the one issue that actually hits people at home. No one will vote for him now...
Exactly. Hilary Clinton is a bulldog in makeup and Donald Trump is an Oompa Loompa with tiny hands. Clearly not the same.
Pornography wouldn't be such a big deal if the level of prudery in the US were toned down a bit.
We would be the 3rd english speaking country to enact anti-porn laws. Apparently we are not the biggest prudes.
This seems to just be a random invented issue to cause people to bicker. Ban alcohol, ban gambling, ban drugs, ban violent games, ban guns, ban ban ban. Cite a few people who can't control themselves as evidence that there's an epidemic. Ignore the masses of people who use the substance in question as intended, without any issues, or at least marginalize them as "people with self control" and focus on the need for laws too deal with people who have no self control.
It's certainly much easier to do than fix real problems, wherein the problems are frequently people who pay for politicians to get elected so they don't get fixed.
I am completely against this. It bothers me on a couple different levels.
1) Can we stop using bigger government to solve problems that don't need to be solved by government? There are plenty of routers and filters available for parents to purchase if they don't want their children to see anything bad on the internet. Or better yet, if you are so concerned, maybe don't give your child their own phone at 7 years old and then expect the government to protect them.
2) As a Christian, I don't want to restrict your God given freedoms by imposing my morals on you. I think I have a better way. I don't want to force that on you. I want you to see (through how I live my life) that my way is better and willingly and voluntarily joining me on this path. I am so tired of Christians trying to force religion on other further alienating non-Christians.
Do I think porn is good for relationships? Absolutely not. But why is it the governments responsibility to "protect" relationships? If you want messed up relationships (assuming porn causes messed up relationships), go for it, it is your God given right.
My apologies to everyone whose God given freedoms have been restricted by Christians who are trying to do "what is best for you" and treating you as children as a result...
Thank goodness for this crackdown. It is well past time that someone did something to improve the quality of Internet porn.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
...harmless urges...
At the risk of sounding like a far-out social conservative crossed with a radical feminist, do you have any evidence to support your assertion that viewing porn satisfies a 'harmless urge'?
It is widely claimed that the subjects of pornography are typically vulnerable girls, and that the profits pass largely into the hands of powerful middle-men. It is also widely claimed that porn stars often struggle to maintain a happy family life off-screen, and that their economic prospects are bleak once their breasts begin to sag or they suffer scarring from a caesarian section. Some people claim that porn stars are discouraged from using condoms and are particularly likely to suffer unwanted pregnancies or life-threatening sexually transmitted disease.
I don't know if these claims are true, although they certainly sound plausible. If they are true, viewing pornography is no more a harmless urge than the 'harmless' urge once felt by cotton farmers to maximise their profits through the purchase of slaves.
Unfortunately, simply asserting that something is 'harmless' doesn't actually make it so. It is entirely plausible that your appetite for the consumption of porn leads to human misery and disease at the other end of an https connectiion.
what something as obscure a jerking it for a while to get past what ails you so you can move on with life?
Simply asserting that something is harmful doesn't actually make it so.
I'm sick of headline having nothing to do with the post. Even the article's headline had nothing to do with the article. There's a huge difference between cracking down on porn, and cracking down on child porn.
WTF are you talking about, AC? "It is widely claimed" is some of the best evidence I've seen in years!
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to stop selling me out to mega corps & the 1% maybe we'll talk. Until then at least Hilary's shit got reigned in by Bernie. Who do you guys got? Mike Pence? Sam Brownback? Yeah... you can just keep on walkin' with that.
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A desire of iPhones and laptops leads to human misery. A good many products consumed in the Industrialized World create human misery.
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If you click deeply enough to read the actual pledge, it's about child porn and the use of the internet to groom and target children for sexual exploitation. There's something vague about keeping kids away from viewing porn, which could mean anything and so means nothing.
Yes, Hillary will be different. She may still be the establishment candidate, but she's not a fucking moron who just spouts out shit seemingly at random. She's hardly the greatest candidate ever, but compared to Trump she's an intellectual and moral giant.
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because they don't make enough money to have and maintain successful long term relationships. Yeah, I know I'm feeding the trolls here, but somebody out there actually believes what this assclown wrote. His comment doesn't exist in a background. It came out of a right wing think tank that's working to divide the working class into voting blocks that win elections for them.
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Humans have been fundamentally altering the relationship dynamics of the modern world ever since the first human decided they knew exactly what a "perfect" relationship should be. Porn wasn't invented yesterday. Neither was divorce, so perhaps we can stop with blaming the Tinder generation now.
I'm pretty sure porn is just a small pawn in it, what you're really seeing is contraception + legalized abortion + time. If you were 18 at Woodstock you'd be ~65 by now, even the people who weren't hippies probably got a far more nuanced picture of the relation between love and sex than the generations before them. And those generations, well they're now dying out. Out of the liberal 60s and 70s came a big scary panic about STDs and AIDS and maybe a counter-reaction as they became parents against "free love" and all that but the doomsday predictions lost steam. People have sex and for the most part nothing bad happen, there's nothing wrong with just having sex in order to have sex. And that people watch sex (porn) for the same reason is more a symptom than a cause, though there's feedback loops all around.
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"a federal commission on the harmful effects of pornography" - the outcome is already defined before the "investigation" begins. Perhaps a non-bias investigation to find facts would be better?
if you think anyone is lame enough to believe your BS you are deluding yourself and insulting the intelligence of everyone around you.
Parental responsibility?
In the USA? Are you kidding? A place where parents can't leave their kids in a car 5 minutes while they run an errand? Can't let their kids play in a park next to their home? Can't let a 14 year old stay at home by themselves for an hour before parent gets home from work?
Had CPS at the house, my son had his kids given to him one day (instant parent). His 4 year old asked me if he could have a Pepsi as he grab for one; I said ya I guess, but I really dont know how to handle this one.
All heard, and eyes were on the door as we came out, saw it was a Pepsi and grined. Whew, it was Ok this week.
Even when I was 14 I wouldn't have considered that fap-worthy..... the good old days, when we rooted through the city dump to find discarded issues of Hustler and Penthouse....
love is just extroverted narcissism
Give me a break. You are just echoing Fox "News" spin-memes.
There is absolutely no evidence she KNOWINGLY lied about her emails or Benghazi*.
Saying there "were no X in my emails" when it turned out there were X is not necessarily lying. She may have honestly not known they contained a problem.
We all agree she was careless with her emails, but I screw up emails also. 30k messages passed her way; that's a lot to get 100% right. My own email error rate is probably about 2%. (They should have put a vetting system in place; a second set of eyes who can focus on those things.)
As far as influence peddling, it's been happening for hundreds of years, and made worse recently by the GOP-pushed Citizens United ruling. Most conservatives didn't appear to care at all UNTIL the Democrats (allegedly) got an advantage from it. Crocodile Tears.
And the majority of the mined ore cannot be sold outside the US, it's only a matter of company ownership, not transfer of ore.
* The Benghazi attack party was likely BOTH pre-planned, and enlarged by video rage. The main perp admitted the video bothered him. It's not an either/or situation, like GOP spins it. Nor did they disprove her claim that the intelligence changed over time. GOP produced no change-log or equiv that contradicted her characterization of events.
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He's Mussolini with a three-inch dick
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
While I agree she isnt the greatest candidate ever (but neither was Bernie), she is an intellectual regardless of who you compare her to. Unfortunately in these times being an intellectual is a no-no.
On the other hand I agree that she is a moral giant only compared to Trump. I laugh at all these idiots who say she has a history of corruption, when Trump's history is just as sordid if not more. If there is one class of people worse than government officials in terms of corruption, its business people.
As much as I agree with you it is far simpler than that. It is nothing more than subterfuge. If the morons focus on bullshit like porn they will not be looking at the fact that the banking and insurance industries are doing the very same bullshit that caused the crash in 2006. They will not be looking at the fact that the rich and the large multinationals are orders of magnitude better off at the expense of the middle and lower classes. They will not notice the fact that the separation of church and state is eroded to the point of being a farce and a joke now. They will not care that the churches protect pedophiles while at the same time they bring on out right attacks on the rights of woman to self determination and what they can and can't do with their own bodies. They will not notice the overwhelming body of evidence that the earth is on a path to extreme weather swings that will forever change the lives of their kids and every other creature on the planet. They will not notice that the control of the internet is being seeded to an international group of countries bent of the suppression of of free speech and the open exchange of ideas. They will not be focused on the continued war that kills their kids and makes the military industrial complex richer by the day. They will not be focused on the need to tighten up on weapons background checks as at least some measure to get the stupidity under control. Fuck it, the uneducated will vote for that fucking moron because they are just that, FUCKING MORONS!
I have to admit that the clearly racist part of his base is, sadly, much larger than I thought it could be.
Citation needed. Or did you just pull it out of your fucking ass like the rest of your post?
I don't know what is more depressing, the fact that you would hand over your country to a guy like Trump for a little job security or the fact that you actually think Trump can reverse the effects of globalization and technological automation without making the U.S. the next North Korea. . .
Trump is not a candidate, he is an intelligence test. You failed the test.
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You moron.
You have lumped perfectly normal healthy adults with child molesters and kiddy porn.
I am sure that's going to end well for you you stupid orange twat.
that I have to vote for him.
Do you seriously believe that the girl working at a low-wage service job for $7.25 an hour is not being exploited, doesn't struggle with family life because of the erratic schedules and long shifts, or has better economic prospects than a girl working in the Adult Films industry?! It really is just another way to make income. I don't see anyone calling for a ban on Rodeo Clowns because of the danger to life, a dead end career and the high levels of alcoholism associated with it
Regardless, Trump's fate has sealed.
I woudl consider voting for a bulldog in lipstick that had an Oompa Loompa with tiny hands as as running mate, or vice versa.
He has one demographic he's ahead in, white men, and he wants to end internet porn? It's official August 1st Donald Trump conceded to Hillary Clinton.
At least in my case, I have to look no further than my facebook feed. The most bigoted, racist, xenophobic people that I've known for years (don't blame me, I live in Indiana), are almost all trump supporters.
who could be elected president. His fan base are white racists - they have no other options.
It's clear there is a section of his support base for whom this is true, but if that were all he had, or even most of what he had, he'd have no chance. No, much more of his support comes from people who deeply oppose globalization and people who are just mad at the establishment and want anything else.
I have to admit that the clearly racist part of his base is, sadly, much larger than I thought it could be.
A simpler theory is simply that "leaned Republicans" (in Pew Polling terminology, self identifying Republicans plus Republican leaning "independents") will vote as they always have, pulling the lever for the "R" regardless of how qualified or unqualified that person might be. 85% of all "leaned Republicans" plan on voting for Trump. Evangelical Republicans support Trump at a rate of 94%, they constituted nearly half of all the votes Romney got.
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
She refused to sign the same thing, so to call them the same is directly contradicting reality.
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Every seat in the house is up. You know, like, all of them? Every two years? But don't sweat a thing. The smart money is still on the regular 95% reelection rate. Don't wanna rock that apple cart.
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
...because they're not trying to ban porn. They're trying to ban child porn, and they're trying to restrict access to all the rest to those old enough to view it. How do they think they'll pull this off? That's anyone's guess. It'll probably even be impossible to achieve. However there's nothing wrong with the goals. We don't let minors buy porn mags, why would we let them surf porn on the internet?
...because they're not trying to ban porn. They're trying to ban child porn,
Yes they are. They were initially explicitly an anti-pornography organization and added anti-child-porn to their platform later. They supported (and still support) raiding magazine stands, anti-porn education in schools, and were heavy lobbiers for the Communications Decency Act of 1996 and the Child Online Protection Act of 1998. They criticized the .xxx domain, because they didn't think that adult sites on the Internet should ever be legitimized. They absolutely hate "regular pornography," and they're using an age-old tactic that often works: combine two issues, and count an attack on one to be an attack on the other. They know that just attacking regular pornography is not an issue that that many people care about. But people are scared to be thought of as condoning child molestation or child pornography.. so you combine the two. "Oh, you don't want to sign our pledge to investigate the harm of internet porn and prosecute pedophiles? Why, do you support child pornography?"
And what do you mean "they want to ban child porn?" Child Porn is already illegal in the US, it's one of the most underground of illegal online activities.
"Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has pledged to crack down on Internet pornography"
What a fucking imbecile.
It's okay for his wife to pose naked by herself and in the arms of other women, but apparently if other people want to watch porn, that's wrong.
I repeat: what a fucking imbecile.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
It's clear there is a section of his support base for whom this is true, but if that were all he had, or even most of what he had, he'd have no chance.
That's all he has, and it's still close.
I have to admit that the clearly racist part of his base is, sadly, much larger than I thought it could be.
The BLM-haters say that there's no race issue. But reality seems to indicate otherwise. Millions of people voting for Trump, who promises racism and hate. Maybe 5 of those 40,000,000 don't think he's actually racist and like his economic policies, but I think that'd be a generous estimate.
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Job security is a red herring. At best you can choose whether you have someone move to the US to take your job, or whether your job moves out of the country without you. If those are vastly different to you, then feel free to use that as a test for the candidates. If being unemployed is unemployed, regardless of where your job is, then they have the same job results. Note, Trump has all his "Make American Great Again" swag made outside the USA, along with his suits, and almost everything else.
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...because they're not trying to ban porn. They're trying to ban child porn
If you listen to these people, you'll realize they use the two terms interchangeably. They don't seem to recognize any sort of difference between adult and child porn.
In actuality they are both establishment candidates, and so is Johnson. The world ruling class have the deck so heavily stacked, you need not bother dealing with politics as usual. Instead get educated about Hobbes and his underling Locke and how Locke doesn't fall as far from the tree as people claim. Learn about how The Federalist Papers tried to manipulate the people and how they stacked the deck for the passage of the Constitution.
"in these times being an intellectual is a no-no."
As opposed to which times?
I am prepared for the apocalypse. I have enough porn to last decades. Trump will have to take my porn from my cold, hard wanking hand.
A lot of this is due to a fellow called Hobbes who was a religious nut who believed that the people could not learn to govern themselves, the state must have absolute power, and any attempt to learn to govern themselves must be stopped. Locke toned it down a little bit, but the founders that prevailed, among them the infamous James Madison who said, "If men were angels, we wouldn't need government," believed the general message. Sure there were the Articles of Confederation, but the Hobbes believers quickly and seemingly tirelessly worked to promote the idea that they were completely unworkable, and that they were the only possible alternative.
GOERING: Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.
GILBERT: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
GOERING: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.
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Because I was not an Immigrant.
Then they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Muslim.
Then they came for the Porn, and you can bet your ass I spoke out then!
From the 1930's to about the 1950's or so, most normal people idolized the cream of the intelligentsia, Albert Einstein was quite the celebrity in his day, even among common folk. Werner Von Braun and the Rocket Kids of the 1950's-1960's were probably the last of the scientists regular people looked up to.
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It is widely claimed that the subjects of pornography are typically vulnerable girls, and that the profits pass largely into the hands of powerful middle-men.
I have bad news for you. The powerful middle-man is a woman. Nor is this unusual today. Sure in the '70s the industry was financially dominated by men. Those days are over. The Internet was the great emancipator of porn stars. Nowadays, savvy girls are busy building their personal brand, complete with a personal website featuring live shows and special deals on recordings, taking 95% of the revenue for themselves.
It is also widely claimed that porn stars often struggle to maintain a happy family life off-screen...
Judging by the divorce rate, so does 60% of the population.
...and that their economic prospects are bleak once their breasts begin to sag or they suffer scarring from a caesarian section.
Sure. And if you're a software developer, your economic prospects are bleak at about the same age. Nobody said porn or software development is a lifetime career.
Some people claim that porn stars are discouraged from using condoms and are particularly likely to suffer unwanted pregnancies or life-threatening sexually transmitted disease.
Such people are idiots speaking from ignorance. The entire industry has heard of The Pill and uses it. The vast majority of the industry is also vociferous about STD testing since an AIDS outbreak in the '80s. Since 1998, the industry tests every actor every 30 days, initially at AIM Healthcare, now at Performer Availability Screening Services.
Note, Trump has all his "Make American Great Again" swag made outside the USA, along with his suits, and almost everything else.
You might want to check snopes and other sources before you post things.
It's not terribly difficult, and will prevent other from calling you out as a liar.
Fist they came for the Mexicans, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Mexican.
Then they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Muslim.
Then they came for the Obama Care, and I did not speak out— Because I was not on the 16% of uninsured Americans.
Then they came for the Porn! Thanks God we didn't repeal our Second Amendment Rights.
.. hack into Trumps computer and publish his stash of porn. .. Ohh wait he will appologise and turn to be deporned christ, and people will love him for his bigotery.
At this point we're making dueling assertions, and neither of us has anything to back them up beyond anecdotal experience. In my case that experience is of talking to a few dozen Trump supporters, and reading the comments of many more. What's yours?
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That's an inadequate explanation, especially for the evangelicals who have many reasons to despise Trump.
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I have to admit that the clearly racist part of his base is, sadly, much larger than I thought it could be.
Citation needed. Or did you just pull it out of your fucking ass like the rest of your post?
It's anecdotal, certainly. What have you got?
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And yet when men are objectified as providers and faceless mooks, no one cares.
It's okay if you don't like it. However, plenty of people are able to distinguish between fictional ""objectification"" and the reality of relationships.
Women aren't more moral. They just have different preferences. That's why 50 Shades was a thing.
An interesting enough proposition, but I'm not convinced, at least yet.
I did not live those times myself, but I would have guessed that even though Einstein and von Braun had their fame, most normal people had their long term attention focused on things they could better understand.
Did people even look up to the "Rocket Kids"?
Banning porn is obvious, but will he also ban sites selling Slovanian brides?
Slashdot social media options: AIM, ICQ, Yahoo, Jabber and Mobile Text. Why no MySpace?
Are you kidding? (Pun intended) The entire "Space Age" had the world completely enthused in the 50's and 60's, everybody looked up to the astronauts and rocket scientists, as they were thought to hold the promise of a better future for all. Oh, well...
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Smarter just means she's better at doing whatever she wants to do.
I have to admit that the clearly racist part of his base is
Well, part of the problem is that population of people has been called racist so many times for their personal beliefs over the last decade, they're starting to not care and the word doesn't mean anything anymore.
If anyone on the Democrat side ever wants to bring these voters over, they'd try and do their best to understand that wanting to protect one's culture, even if you're white, doesn't amount to racism.
They do, but remember that all those reasons to despise Trump apply just as much to Hillary. That's why they despise Trump: On the key issues for evangelicals - abortion, homosexuality, government-sponsored prayer - he is no different from a Democrat. The only position he has that they do agree with is his proposal on kicking Muslims out of the country.
...harmless urges...
At the risk of sounding like a far-out social conservative crossed with a radical feminist, do you have any evidence to support your assertion that viewing porn satisfies a 'harmless urge'?
I think you raise an interesting question, especially if we focus on the outlet of the urges and not the urges themselves.
Just like in (my) software development, there is an ideal solution and then there are the solutions we can complete given time, money, and person-power constraints. Of course, we may not be able to agree on any of these.
I look at the abortion issue this way too. In an ideal world there would be little need for abortions except for medical reasons. Unfortunately our world is very far from ideal, especially around many of the situations where an abortion seems like a good option for someone.
I think it is essential to look at porn in the same way. IMO in an ideal world there would be very little need or demand for it because almost everyone would be getting their urges met with other consenting adults. But just like a high demand for abortions indicates a world that is far from ideal, so does a high demand for pornography. It is not useful to ask if viewing pornography is harmless or not. The useful question to ask is if it is more or less harmless than the alternatives.
Some people maintain that sexual repression in the West is tied to its exploitive, capitalistic structure. I'm not saying they are necessarily right but it is hard to deny that sexual repression is deeply ingrained in our society. I also think the high demand for porn is linked to this systemic sexual repression.
YMMVG but IMO the ideal solution involves getting rid of the sexual repression so people in general get laid more often. I really thing this would have a huge impact and make the world a much better place. For example, I wonder if the mass shootings (or shootings in general) would be diminished if the would-be shooters were getting laid more often.
Unfortunately, sexual repression is deeply ingrained in our society so we are not going to get the (my) ideal solution anytime soon. If it is true that pent up sexual frustration causes some people to lash out violently against strangers then of the many non-ideal solutions to wide-spread pent up sexual urges, it could well be that making porn widely available is the least harmful of the lot.
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The polls and the actions and reaction of Trump supporters.
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"We are dedicated to continue raising public awareness about the dangers of Internet pornography." - Enough.org, main page.
"The two primary Internet dangers today are children's free and easy access to all types of pornography, and sexual predators' easy and anonymous access to children." - Enough.org, 'about us.'
"[Enough is Enough President] Hughes says combining the policing of raunchy footage of consenting adults with advocacy against child abuse makes sense, citing what she says are high rates of teens viewing bestiality and group sex, and the potential that viewing hardcore porn could be a steppingstone to further depths." - http://enough.org/news/2IB385Y...
Yes, they just want to ban child abuse, right?
Read their website and you see why: They repeat a claim many times that pornography is just a gateway that instills the urge to view child abuse somehow - never mind that if that were the case, half the population of the US would be trying to sneak into a playground right now.
Here's one example but you don't have to look far to find others:
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[EiE President] Hughes says combining the policing of raunchy footage of consenting adults with advocacy against child abuse makes sense, citing what she says are high rates of teens viewing bestiality and group sex, and the potential that viewing hardcore porn could be a steppingstone to further depths.
"Bestiality and anal sex online, that's the new normal," she says. "This entire sex industry is tied together, so it's like fighting the drug war ... just completely ignoring the obscenity laws [but combating child porn] would be like saying, 'We've got a war on drugs, but we're only going to concentrate on meth and heroin.' That's not going to do a very good job."
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http://www.usnews.com/news/art...
Porn can cause problems for many people. The root causes, however, are not with porn. One is failure to develop sensible disciplined habits around viewing it, and just as failing to develop sensible disciplined habits around driving makes driving a liability, and likewise with consumption of alcohol, and many other things. Second is trying to live a life where, in trying to meet the expectations of others, you end up effectively in a silent war with a caged and frustrated sex drive in a world saturated with beautiful young potential mates (of either gender). In this state, as soon as your brain senses an outlet, it is akin to desperation for a drink of water, or to take a pee. If you give in, and many will give in, (and many who do no will develop mental health problems due to the levels of stress, anxiety and confusion involved), your brain will remember the path to what it was desperate for (whether food, drugs, porn, sex, or whatever) as if it is a life-saving escape route. Just as with breaking under torture, once you give in once, your brain will be rewired and it will be almost impossible to hold out again. But humans do not, and cannot have, in general, anything like the infinite resolve and discipline required for the unicorn powered dream of people marrying in strictly monogamous heterosexual marriages and not having or desiring sex in any other circumstances. In the modern world, people must have safe effective and readily available outlets for sexual drives which would otherwise cause problems. Restraint is akin to holding off to go to the bathroom: an important short-term solution which in the case of toilet training everybody has learned, but holding off from taking a pee until you've found the one true toilet you can use for the rest of your life and formed and exclusive relationship with it. To be clear, I am not likening sex and lovemaking to taking a pee, but at the level of our fundamental drives, they are alike in how they work in our brains.
I like to point to an article from the guardian about pure O, and do read there how porn was used in a disciplined therapeutic setting. Discipline, awareness and being sensible make all the difference, but must be learned. https://www.theguardian.com/so...
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http://enough.org/objects/EIE-...
While it is true they speak of internet child porn, they also speak about NORMAL porn. Look for obscenity as a keyword (good luck defining that) and look up paragraph 4 and the research section among others : they are speaking of normal porn impact on youth , NOT child porn.
Only women though. Men in the porn industry don't have any issues of course.
Business people can be ethical and honest. It just happens that Trump is neither ethical nor honest. He has fucked over so many people, businesses and banks that it's amazing he can still find anyone to do business with.
Yeah, all those fucking racists wanting equality, and no more. How dare they want to be able to walk down the street without being executed.
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where such people would be forced to break the law just to satisfy harmless urges.
You're forgetting the biggest benefit of all that. When they're under scrutiny because of that, you can check out their politics. If they're compatible with the rulers, let 'em go. If not, disappear that guy into the prison system. Helps cleanse doubters of the Great Orange Tiny-Handed One from the population.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
that he hopes for to be elected mainly by angry white older men...
If anyone on the Democrat side ever wants to bring these voters over, they'd try and do their best to understand that wanting to protect one's culture, even if you're white, doesn't amount to racism.
I'm not a Democrat by any means, but most of the time it really does, regardless of what color your skin is.
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The polls and the actions and reaction of Trump supporters.
Polls support my argument. The actions and reactions of Trump supporters don't really say much at all, because the only ones you see are those that get the media's attention because of their extremism. That says a lot about the extremes, but doesn't do anything to give you insight into the rest. Well, other than that they're willing to ignore the extremists... but Trump supporters are willing to ignore all sorts of stuff.
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On the other side we have Trump, who wants to move the illegals out of the country and prevent them from coming back, and renegotiate some of our globai agreements.
I was going to say "if you believe that then you're a staggering idiot" and then I saw your username and remembered, you're a staggering idiot. Trump runs an H1B mill of his very own, he actually feels exactly the opposite about this as what he said, and what you believed, because you are that idiot.
That's not cognitive dissonance, it's called "prioritizing".
It's called cognitive dissonance when Trump abuses the visa program and then you think he's going to fix the visa program because that's what you want him to do, and believe. But he doesn't, so he won't. And meanwhile, you're buying his shit. What a tool.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's comedy Jim, but not as we know it.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Humans have been fundamentally altering the relationship dynamics of the modern world ever since the first human decided they knew exactly what a "perfect" relationship should be. Porn wasn't invented yesterday. Neither was divorce, so perhaps we can stop with blaming the Tinder generation now.
I'm pretty sure porn is just a small pawn in it, what you're really seeing is contraception + legalized abortion + time. If you were 18 at Woodstock you'd be ~65 by now, even the people who weren't hippies probably got a far more nuanced picture of the relation between love and sex than the generations before them. And those generations, well they're now dying out. Out of the liberal 60s and 70s came a big scary panic about STDs and AIDS and maybe a counter-reaction as they became parents against "free love" and all that but the doomsday predictions lost steam. People have sex and for the most part nothing bad happen, there's nothing wrong with just having sex in order to have sex. And that people watch sex (porn) for the same reason is more a symptom than a cause, though there's feedback loops all around.
HIV/AIDS still kills over a million humans per year.
Herpes is still an incurable disease, which affects tens of millions of humans every year.
We probably shouldn't even discuss the damning statistics behind HPV strains in the human population. Yeah, it's that bad.
The concept of dating and being sexually active in today's world is scary. I don't even want to imagine what you define as a "doomsday", and fail to understand how you feel the human population has somehow avoided it.
I'm supporting "Extinction-Event Asteroid" this November considering the current choices....
Damn right, no one with a brain is voting for Trump.
No kidding, it's OK to Kill kill kill on TV and in movies, but "Oh noes!! It's the sexing!"
Hoping "they will not notice" nothing.
It's intentional. Make "Democrats" and "Republicans" look so polar opposite and keep the regular folks that are getting screwed by the wealthy everyday fighting with each other over meaningless shit IS the plan. Keeping the masses distracted so they don;t see and turn their full wrath on them where it belongs is how they stay in power behind the scenes.
but...but... but... "Religion!" and and and uh... "Think of the Children!!!!"
Before they invented modern "liberal arts", so that people who couldn't handle the rigors of Mathematic, Philosophy, Physics, or Natural Science could still get a degree and claim to be intelligentsia.
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"... who have recognized the significant risks associated with unfettered Internet access by youth, and have called upon the government and law enforcement to take aggressive action" sounds to me like "we can't trust the parents to watch their children's online activities." Which then would make it easier to put controls on adults' surfing as well. I thought republicans didn't want the government so deeply entrenched in our lives?
Well, other than that they're willing to ignore the extremists... but Trump supporters are willing to ignore all sorts of stuff.
The left likes to play "let's you and him fight." They demand Republicans turn on each other and denounce this person or that person because they uttered something not nice. In the meantime BLMers shoot cops and the Dems "denounce the violence," but then still say "Black Lives Matter" and Obama has BLM leaders to the White House.
Punching right doesn't do you any good. After Ted Cruz's backstabbing speech at the RNC, every liberal rag ran stories about how "principled" that was. Great. But, ah, anybody from HuffPo ever going to vote for Ted Cruz?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
From the 1930's to about the 1950's or so, most normal people idolized the cream of the intelligentsia, Albert Einstein was quite the celebrity in his day, even among common folk. Werner Von Braun and the Rocket Kids of the 1950's-1960's were probably the last of the scientists regular people looked up to.
I used to have some respect for Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson but since the politicalization of science, they both have gotten too political and are nearly as bad as the anti-fact people they rail against.
Even those who arrange and design shrubberies are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.
"significant risks associated with unfettered Internet access by youth"
That's not a thing that exists, unless as a parent you're doing a really shitty job of being a parent.
The press release says it all. "Unfettered internet access" leads to people getting all sorts of confusing information, alternate viewpoints, non-religiously-restricted perspectives, and all of the ills of modern society. People are just too free, dammit. We need to restrict their thinking, and the first way to do it is to restrict their access to information. Porn is just a straw man; most people would agree that child porn is bad (I agree too), which is why it is already mentioned in law, but we do not place restrictions and surveillance on all magazine publication to prevent printed child porn, and we should not place such censorship power in anyone's hands.
The problem with garnering votes by continually scaring angry grandpas is that eventually they all die off.
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There still are scientist superstars - Stephen Hawking and Jane Goodall are pretty much household names. You could throw in a few that AFAIK don't have any major discoveries but are well known celebrity scientists like Bill Nye and Neil Degrasse Tyson, as well.
That said, I think what you mean is that people worship celebrity more than intellect these days, and that I completely agree with. Reagan was an early example of that, and turned out to be a decent leader, despite some flawed principles (trickle down economics being the one I like to skewer). I certainly wouldn't ever have picked Reagan for my Quiz Bowl team, though.
I wish that were true. I know several people that will vote for Trump because they perceive "Shillary" or "Crooked Hillary" as the worse option. They say with Trump you may get a misogynist bigot, but at least you know what you're getting. With Shillary you get a two-faced weasel that will stab you in the back the second she gets elected.
And yes, that is what they honestly believe. Telling them Trump is the biggest lying weasel in politics won't sway their opinion (going by Polifact). In any case, I won't vote for either of them. Two sides of the same coin bought and owned by Corporate America(TM). Whatever it takes to keep the oligarchy strong, right?
I don't know where you are getting this, but according to Articles_of_Confederation#The_United_States_of_America_under_the_Articles there was essentially no president of the type under the Constitution, so your statement makes no sense. That wasn't supposed to be the role of the person who presided over congressional goings ons.
Can't say for one way or another how things would have turned out, but would it really have been all that bad if the United States, the contemporary Italian peninsula or the remains of the so-called Holy Roman Empire had stayed the way they were
You can call virtually any group the establishment and not be completely wrong. There is the world ruling class and that is the establishment of which I speak.
If you believe your job is at risk (and it is, right now from mild automation and imported labor and exported roles, soon to be joined in spades by various machine learning technologies which will enable much more comprehensive automation), it's considerably more in your self-interest to vote Democrat in every election for a federal seat, because it's the Democrats that are generally in favor of social safety nets, and who will put SCOTUS judges in who will back those ideas the most effectively.
Voting Republican because you think you might lose your job... that's truly shooting yourself in the foot.
What you want -- if you want to eat and have a roof over your head -- is Democrats in strong majority across both houses of congress, the presidency, and the courts.
Of course, to understand this, one has to use reason and facts. Looking at the Trump demographic, that's not exactly a standout characteristic.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Except they're constantly being replaced by new angry grandpas. Now get off my lawn!
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And America is too distracted by stupid shit like American Idol (or what ever the popular "reality show" is), D vs. R, Apple vs Android, Apple vs. Microsoft, Sports team vs. Sports team, etc to deal with the REAL problem
and the reality of relationships.
Porn has NEVER ruined relationships ...
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Um, not even close to 60%, even at the peak in the 1970s.
The divorce rate by all measurements is actually down. Also the divorce trend is down, so even the projected numbers that say 40-50% are probably bad. This is based on a measurement called a Cohort rate, which determines a trend by the current group being studied (so basically a statistical guess over the lifetime of the marriage). Baby boomers had a hideously high divorce rate, which is why that number is so high, but later generations are getting divorced far less, so even 40% is probably a pessimistic number. By another statistic, about 2% of marriages end in divorce every year (the short game measurement - keep in mind that includes remarriage and divorce, or you'd have 40% in 20 years).
It seems to me that the more "prudish" societies have a higher birth rate. Anyway, the west has become so open-minded that it's collective brains have fallen out. Oh well, the fallout from that will be for younger generations to deal with...
I think that in the latter half of the 60s and part of the 70s, most people did look up to the astronauts, but hardly the scientists.
Fortunately, some did.
Yes, Hillary Clinton would never attempt to curb free speech in a pathetic political attention grab. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertainment_Protection_Act
I think if someone says "they're trying to ban child porn" you can pretty much ignore the rest of what they have to say. Listen to someone who isn't wasting your time instead.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
And those people you know are just as right as you are, maybe more so, maybe less. You don't know. Their opinion is perfectly valid, just as much as yours.
If they tried to claim Trump was a great, ethical person, then sure you could claim they're obviously wrong, but they're not claiming that at all. They're acknowledging that he's terrible, but in their judgment Hillary is even more terrible, and you have no way of proving that. (No, Politifact is not an unbiased source or a way of proving who's a bigger liar.)
Not voting for either of them is certainly a valid approach, and the one I intend to take too, but given that due to Duverger's Law either Hillary or Trump is almost certain to win, you can't fault those people for wanting to prevent who they see as the worse candidate from winning.
Personally, I'm leaning towards preferring Trump, for many reasons all related to Hillary (1. she wants to start more wars, 2. I don't want to reward her and the DNC for their obvious rigging, 3. she's a criminal who can't be prosecuted for the email fiasco because she's too powerful), but he's so awful I don't think I can bring myself to vote for him either, so I plan to vote for Stein. I'm still not convinced that Trump is actually genuine here; it still looks possible that he's only there to destroy the RNC from within and give Hillary the election.
It doesn't help that most American women are obese.
The divorce rate by all measurements is actually down.
That's because the actual marriage rate is down. People just aren't getting married as much any more.
Baby boomers had a hideously high divorce rate, which is why that number is so high, but later generations are getting divorced far less
Yeah, that's because the Millenials aren't getting married at all. It's hard to get a divorce when you never got married in the first place.
Yeah, and police officers shoot black people without justification and some elected officials still have something to do with police. Got any evidence that #BlackLivesMatter has any policy to shoot police, or are you saying that any movement with a few despicable fanatics going along with its main thrust is bad?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
If you think that then you're really not paying attention to the anti-fact people.
I've been paid by people who cared nothing for me as a person, but only about my hacking code and not upsetting the office. I've been referred to as a "resource" instead of a software guy. This is perfectly normal in my field, and I find myself not entirely sympathetic about complaints about "objectification". I don't see why I shouldn't in general pay money to see nude women (although I strongly disapprove of being disrespectful of them). I pay other people money to produce things to satisfy my fantasies (the helicarrier taking off in Avengers was a prime example); so what's wrong with a fantasy of a couple of beautiful women doing anything I want sexually?
"When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
First I am going to point out that EiE is mainly about protecting children. Second, if porn is so good for us why aren't we healthier with better relationships. See this story for more.
You hate the left, and anyone you hate has a double standard. Some lefties use AT&T! Others denounce capitalistic monopolies! Double standards Everywhere!!!
Your inability to comprehend the issues doesn't make them contradictory. Trump explicitly joked about assaulting protesters. Protesters were later assaulted. How is it a double standard to consider that somehow linked to Trump himself? BLM has said "stop the violence". All of it, against police, and by police. So when a mentally ill vet with no links to BLM kills some cops and talks about BLM, it's BLM that made him do it? Thankfully, the police killed him before he could be interrogated or tried, so we'll never know what he was thinking. White extremist (after all, that's the label given to minorities) shoots people from a bell tower at University of Texas and he's diagnosed as a good vet with a brain tumor, and essentially forgiven by the country. Where's the level of interest in the Black extremists motives? If you are looking for a double standard, you are looking in the wrong place.
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We already have Trump Tower, Trump Steaks, Trump Apparel, Trump Fragrance... Now we'll also have Trump Porn! No thanks!
The day Microsoft creates a product that doesn't suck, it will be known as the Microsoft Vaccuum Cleaner!
Yeah, this looks like a classic example of the motte and bailey doctrine. They support, but cannot defend, the claim that all porn is bad and needs to be banned. When people assail this position, they retreat to their metaphorical motte (a well-defended tower where you could hole up and resist attackers) claim of "but we're trying to stop child porn! Child porn is terrible and you're evil if you don't want to stop it!" Of course, as soon as people agree that stopping child porn is good and righteous, they head back out to their metaphorical bailey (the valuable but indefensible land around a motte) and start campaigning against porn in general again.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
I will not argue against that one bit. It is a simple fact that they are both in the pockets of the rich and the corporations to our detriment and their enrichment. Good point and one I am well aware of, I should have pointed it out as well. Thanks
Trump's opponent Hillary Clinton refused to sign the pledge,
Looks like it's an organization that wants to do something instead of being a perpetual victim. Therefore, the SJW candidate won't sign out of fear of offending her vocal minority.
Twitter supports and protects racists - by smearing their critics with the "Hate Speech" label.
Did they change, or did the environment change around them?
Scientists have always made statements with political implications. And.... we used to give their statements great weight. Now half the country just goes "stupid liberal scientist, he is totally involved in the global warming conspiracy".
Seems like the country has gone to crap in terms of science reporting and understanding, not that scientists are all of a sudden more political.