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Police Asked Facebook To Deactivate Woman's Account During Deadly Standoff (abc7.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from KABC-TV: In the midst of a five-hour standoff that turned deadly, Facebook granted an emergency request from the Baltimore County Police Department to take offline the social media accounts belonging to a woman who wielded a shotgun at officers. Baltimore County Police officers shot and killed Korryn Gaines, 23, after she barricaded herself inside her Randallstown apartment with her 5-year-old son and pointed a shotgun at officers attempting to serve an arrest warrant. Police Chief Jim Johnson said Tuesday that the department made the emergency request to have Gaines' social media accounts suspended after she posted videos online showing the standoff. People who saw the postings, Johnson said, responded by encouraging her to not comply with police. Videos posted on Facebook and Instagram appeared to show Gaines, who was black, talking with police in the doorway to her apartment and to her son during the standoff. The standoff Monday began after three officers went to Gaines' apartment to serve arrest warrants on her and her boyfriend, Kareem K. Courtney, 39, according to police. Gaines' bench warrant stemmed from charges during a March 10 stop, including disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. Authorities said she was armed with a 12-gauge pistol grip shotgun that was legally purchased last year and toward the end of the negotiations pointed it directly at an officer and said, "If you don't leave, I'm going to kill you." An officer shot at her and Gaines fired two shots, but missed the officers, who returned fire and killed her, police said. Facebook's policy says that it may grant law enforcement permission to suspend accounts in cases where there is a substantial risk of harm. Facebook has received roughly 855 requests for emergency disclosures of information to government agencies due to the threat of harm or violence between July and December 2015, according to their Government Request Report. About 73 percent of those requests were granted.
how the hell does one get in contact with facebook anyway?
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On facebook people were reportedly egging her on telling her no to give up and fight til the end. Pretty much pushing her to try to kill cops. Police have asked FB to keep a record of it all pending a warrant later.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Nothing of value was lost.
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Like that her supporters on Facebook were egging her on?
That she was pulled over for having a cardboard license plate.
That she was one of those "free range Americas" that have opted out of the government and believe its law does not apply to them.
She refused to go to court because she did not recognize its power over her.
There is only so much a Police Officer can do.
More fodder for the BLM trolls. I can't wait to see how they twist this one.
What does being black have to do with anything? The cops were black too.
The cops wanted it turned off so there would be no video recording of them killing her that could be used against them.
"Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
officer: a woman is barricaded in her home with child and weapon. we are escalating the situation slowly but surely, however negotiators are on scene to try and reason with this woman. we have all the time in the world to calmly and rationally approach this very critical situation
Lieutenant: lets get facebook to close her account. I heard someone live streamed their husband getting the ole "serve and protect" and frankly id like to make it to the golf course on time.
Good people go to bed earlier.
Police effectively silenced both this woman's right to free speech and those communicating with her.
If the speech were criminal in nature, those contributors could have been prosecuted instead of silenced.
Just a thought.
So cops shot at her first and she fired back in self defense then they killer her? Uh...
Just another case of suicide by cop. Think of it as evolution in action.
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I'm impressed how quickly the powers that be got the whole "live streaming" thing under control. As for the whole black lives matter aspect that part makes me nervous. I'm not really worried about overt racism so much any more as the casual kind. Were they more likely to use force or just plain more aggressive because they were dealing with a black perp. That's what makes the issue so hard, and that's what folks mean by "Institutional" racism.
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Government shutting down social media accounts represents a prior restraint on subsequent speech. From one view, it's like cutting off your ability to write letters to a newspaper because you wrote one and then somebody posted a letter urging you do do something illegal. In terms of precedent, similar acts could prevent her from livestreaming in order to ensure police behavior remains professional while she is arrested.
On the other hand, the person or people urging her not to comply with police is clearly engaging in behavior not protected by the First Amendment, i.e. inciting imminent lawless action likely to occur, and police absolutely have to have the ability to terminate that kind of outside input. Keeping it Constitutional might require having very clear standards for under what conditions they do it, allowing (deferential but meaningful) judicial review after-the-fact, and perhaps only terminating *incoming* messages when that is a practical option...
This would be an interesting case to argue on either side.
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A long time ago, a man named Randy Weaver barricaded himself in his remote Northern Idaho cabin against federal agents, who wanted him to infiltrate the Aryan Nations. Weaver had refused, fearing that the Aryan Nations knew he was not a white supremacist and would kill him.
The siege was widely reported in the news media at the time. Police of all stripe described Mr. Weaver as a white supremacist, racist, and all sorts of other names. In reality, Mr. Weaver was opposed to white supremacy and its movement.
During the siege, a helicopter carrying a large object was seen flying towards the cabin. But here's the actual quote from the time:
Mr. Gritz said that he and a local real estate agent were in the area near the cabin. They saw a helicopter approach with a large object hanging from the helicopter -- like one of the fire-fighting helicopters.
Both men were out in the open and Mr. Gritz was sure that they were spotted by the men aboard the helicopter. The helicopter changed direction and left the area.
Mr. Gritz suggested that just possibly the Weaver cabin was about to have a fire -- I can spectulate how it would have been reported -- "White supremacist kills wife, children, and self with arsenal of napalm bombs and flamethrowers! Federal agents look on in horror, wait for rest of arsenal to explode."
I personally remember Mr. Gritz being interviewed at the time on camera by someone famous (perhaps it was Morely Safer), and my memory of his verbal account matches the one quoted above.
I'm uncomfortable with this "turn off all social media" sort of action, because it also turns off the victim's ability to call for help, give their side of the story, and perhaps prevent law enforcement from telling a one-sided narrative.
We've recently seen how law enforcement's version of events don't track with video camera footage of events.
I'm very much in favor of keeping all channels of information open.
It keeps both sides honest.
(*) Weaver was later awarded 3.1 million dollars for the death of his son and wife, and the government admitted no guilt in the matter.
If she's dumb enough to take advice from FB crowd that are urging her on to resist ARMED police at her front door that are trying to convince her to surrender peacefully, she deserves everything she got.
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Why don't you go talk to some black cops and ask them what they think...
You people (fuck there's like an army of you idiots) are so paralyzed by self-doubt you can't think. You look at statistics like "wow LOOK, there are more black people getting arrested per capita for such and such a crime! and then you scream "THAT'S WRONG, THAT'S NOT FAIR!"
Here is the simple, OBVIOUS explanation: Blacks used to treated less than human in this country, slaves. Long story short, that means blacks have WAY MORE poverty than whites. There was no 40 acres and a mule, no reparations, no casinos.
POVERTY is the root of crime.
sooo... OF COURSE blacks have a higher incidence per capita of most crimes.
please GET YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ANUS.
From disorderly conduct to death. That really escalated poorly. If I were the cops I woulda backed down until I could use a taser or another non lethal approach.
You have no right to a internet connection or access to facebook while in an armed standoff with the police, especially when they were serving an entirely valid warrant..
Erm... I don't believe that's correct.
Unless I'm mistaken, you have *every* right unless it's specifically forbidden by law.
Or has that changed? Admittedly, it's been a long time since civics class...
"Korryn Gaines, 23", "who was black," well thank you for stating that so bluntly. It doesn't matter what race she was. She was an American citizen, that's all that should matter to anyone within the US, everything else only serves to marginalize.
"The greatest country on earth" with yet another example of greatness. Why would someone be allowed to "legally own" a shotgun?!
Fuck those assholes.
Are they deliberately dropping this shit during DEFCON?
This is all Zuckerbergs fault. He is the murderer who deserves to die, and I hope he burns in hell along with fuckerbook.
I submit that "whiteness" is cultural, and that anyone can become "white". Here are a few simple rules to do this:
a) When in Rome, do as the Romans do.
b) While in Rome, do not find fault with the Romans.
c) Remember that anyone, by following the above rules, can become a Roman.
Indeed, if you can understand how Romans act, and act that way yourself, you are perceived by the Romans as one of them -- or, at the very least, an ally. You will find that Romans reward those who are their allies, and prefer to do business with other Romans. And, since most people with money in Rome are Romans, it does one best to cultivate their company.
If you constantly find fault with the Romans, you are not one of them, and they will close ranks in both subtle and overt ways against you. You will find that Romans do not want to do business with you, and anything you want to do which needs Roman help becomes harder.
Indeed, what has happened to the Africans -- the most notable of the not-Romans? They have been bought off by rich Romans -- been thrown a few slices of bread and been given a few circuses -- so that they can feel like they have accomplished something, while their schools are deliberately given undereducated teachers who look like them to prevent upward mobility, and their children are convinced that single parenthood is liberating -- exactly the opposite of what is needed in Roman society to excel.
A few escape that trap and become Romans -- only to be told by their peers that being Roman is something ugly which severs them forever from non-Roman Africans. Indeed, those who fight to become Romans are beset both by those rich Romans who do not want them, and by their own people, who do not realize that it might do them far better if they were to achieve true Roman citizenship. And yet, many manage; if their children can ignore the besmirchment of their parent by non-Romans, they are easily set up to be Romans too.
To understand this, just watch TV.
I'm amazed at people asking about technical details about IT in this case.
Now, let's do this thing right: approach the woman when she's distracted and make sure you get her while she's away from her gun. Do whatever you want, arrest her, talk to her, subpoena her... anything. That would be better that what has been done. Any two-day in job officer should know that.
But first unkill her.
Blue lives matter.... ...
Or blue brain matter?
The correct answer is that it depends intimately on the circumstances surrounding their showing up at your door.
Good ol America....
we aren't racist - but have to point our every time someone isn't white..........
So you're advocating the use of human shields? I mean, fuck, if I can grab a 5 year old and be immune to arrest, let's go hit a bank.
"In retrospect, I feel that I was foolish to checking to see how I was trending in my social media while engaging in an armed standoff with all the collective tri-state SWAT teams. I think I will be more focused, and I will definitely be on my 'a' game next week when I have a stand off with the ATF agents at my fortified compound."
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Is every arrest warrant is a license to kill?
They actually wrote "who was black."
As if dying makes black people into some other race.
O.o
If you've made it to LEO, you may as well just nuke them from there. It's the only way to be certain.
Is it just my observation, or are there way too many stupid people in the world?
This is Maryland we are talking about - a hot bed of statist infringement upon civil rights. Maryland's government routinely ignores the constitution, including the requirement that a warrant be supported by evidence that meets the requirement of probable cause. Most judges in Maryland have a big rubber stamp for warrants, evidence or not.
The woman was well within her rights to document what the police were doing and publish it online.
Now they have a kid whose outlook of cops will be "the bad guys that shot my mom who was just trying to keep me safe." Not sure there was anything else they could do, though.
What the hell are "roughly 855 requests for emergency disclosures" FFS ?
Was that 855,23 before ? I am probably naive to assume that much like pregnancy there is or there isn't so that number should be an integer anyway...
So you can share your amok-running or terrorist activities unhindered.
But more seriously, as we saw, after the fact, the culprit's iPhone can't be decrypted. so it would be better to make them believe their account still works but not share it with the rest of the morons, only the cops.
And so do all of you clueless tools that use it.
When Faceberg starts dictating laws and telling officers what they can and can't do, you fucking KILL Zuckerberg.
That is the sum of the parts.
Facebook data is all given to spy agencies at any whim. It is a government control apparatus. So are Microsoft and Google.
All spy networks paid for by you.
true. Jews think law. they always seek precedent. never let them do this.
Going from a disorderly conduct charge (which could be anything), to getting shot, just sad.
Hard to defend anyone who pulls a shotgun, but what a waste.
"...Instagram appeared to show Gaines, who was black, ..."
Is she still black?
Could have something to do with her skin color...
Oh we're bringing philosophy into this? Ok, if they are morally obliged to return to their families, then they shouldn't be police. The likelihood of dying is pretty high so to VOLUNTEER for such a service is selfish on the part of the officer. They have some inner desire to seek fame, recognition, and be the hero that goes beyond the standard "providing for one's family". If you join law enforcement or the military, at some level, you desire to kill someone as it is a requirement of the job. How is desiring to kill someone, even if they are a "bad guy", morally justified? I don't think it can be on any level.
Except that the government didn't take illegal action except in your deluded mind. Nowhere does it say that it's illegal to ask a web site to suspend a user. The reason you piss off people is because your arguments come from a 13-year-old's simplistic imitation of logic. Fact-free, same as your claim that the police took illegal action to ask Facebook to suspend the account.
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Except that the government didn't take illegal action except in your deluded mind.
The government ordered Facebook to take down her account and access. Facebook complied. The government silenced her. You assert that the government silencing citizens it doesn't like is 100% legal. You are the one holding a deluded mind.
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Only in the legal sense that they won't be tried for murder.
In every moral sense, they had an obligation to deescalate the situation. She was not a threat to anybody but the cops, and the video proves it.
Just...no. You don't win a moral argument by trolling morality.
Certainly, they had a moral obligation to act. But morals aren't absolute. They shift based on context. The minute she leveled that shotgun, the context changed.
The video proves that the cops grokked the situation rightly. You can't deescalate a situation that is already escalated. You did notice that part, right? Maybe in your ivory tower, you can, but here in reality, you don't negotiate with somebody who is saying they are going to kill you while simultaneously bringing a weapon to bear on you.
The new context obligated the cops to preserve their own lives and the lives of bystanders (you did notice the five-year-old bystander, right?)
She was a threat to the cops, to the bystander, and a case could be made to society at large (pulling a weapon on a cop with the stated intention to kill him is, by any definition you care to invoke, sociopathic behavior.) Leaving aside the threat to society (and the host of morals that would, according to you, obligate all sorts of action) the cops acted morally by acting to preserve their lives and the life of the bystander.
Since you opened this with a troll, I'm going to close it with an ad hom. What would you have done differently in that context? I strongly suspect you have neither the training nor the temperament to react rationally (let alone morally) when threatened with deadly force. I think you would have just crapped your pants and froze.
"The government" did no such thing. Either produce the court order or quit lying. The police asked Facebook did as requested. Anyone could have asked Facebook to take it down because it was clearly in violation of the TOS.
Same as when a blogger account was illegally selling pharmaceuticals from Canada. I asked google to take it down, and they did within hours. Sure I "silenced" them - they too were in violation of the TOS. And I'm not the government.
There is no requirement for anyone, either as an individual or a business, to give a platform to anyone doing illegal stuff. Her making death threats while holding a shot gun is illegal pretty much everywhere, including Somalia. So again, start acting your age and not your shoe (or penis) size.
If you don't like the rules, change them instead of lying about them, trying to miscast events to suit your own assinine libertarian "the people can do no wrong" agenda.
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The police asked Facebook did as requested.
Produce the request or quit lying.
Anyone could have asked Facebook to take it down because it was clearly in violation of the TOS.
Anyone "could have". But the government did it. The government initiated the act that resulted in the take-down. Legally, this is the same as if the government did it. This doesn't make sense to you, but you obviously hate personal rights, and like a strong Nazi-like authoritarian government.
To reduce the ability for the government to influence people, simply asking is legally the same as a court order, when it comes to "fruit of the tree" and such. That you don't understand the law, doesn't mean it isn't the law.
If you don't like the rules, change them instead of lying about them, trying to miscast events to suit your own assinine libertarian "the people can do no wrong" agenda.
That you are too dumb to understand the rules doesn't mean I'm lying about them.
And you are a liar. I've stated I'm not libertarian, and you keep spreading that lie. Stop lying. Quite the hypocrite. Always lying, while accusing everyone else of lying. Even you accusations of lies are lies.
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Police Chief Jim Johnson said Tuesday that the department made the emergency request to have Gaines' social media accounts suspended once they realized the videos were online. People who saw the postings were encouraging her to not comply with the police, he said.
So quit lying about who asked (not ordered - asked).
And you're the one who needs to learn about the law. Asking is not "the equivalent of a court order." Ever see anyone say "sure, when you come back with a warrant?" Or are you so cowardly off-line that you would do anything and everything the police asked you to do because, in your own words "simply asking is legally the same as a court order." What a dummy.
So, stop spreading lies. Learn how the law actually works, and how individual rights work. In other words, grow up and start thinking like an adult instead of spewing lies and innuendo.
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So quit lying about who asked (not ordered - asked).
Legally, they are the same. If a police officer asks you to get out of the car, it's an order. Even if he asks, and asks politely. That you are dumb doesn't change reality. When the people with the guns "ask" for something, it's considered an order.
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Boy, are you stupid. There are plenty of videos on youtube of people refusing to get out of their car when the police request without giving a valid reason. Same as there are videos of people refusing to stop making videos of the cops when asked to.
And they're dealing with cops with guns. Same as I've told cops with guns to go fuck themselves when they've asked me to do something that I wasn't required to do by law. Like I said, you are a coward. You don't know your rights. You are too scared to do anything but obey "the man with the gun." You'd be worse than useless at any civil rights protest - you'd just get in the way of those of us standing up for civil rights. In other words, you're a sheeple!!!
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Boy, are you stupid. There are plenty of videos on youtube of people refusing to get out of their car when the police request without giving a valid reason.
And a number of them getting pulled from their car and (optionally) beat. Often the result ends in an arrest. OMFG, you saw a youtube video of a traffic stop, where the cop decides to not press the issue when they could have, and that's proof the cop couldn't have pressed the issue.
You are an angry, evil person. You can't handle someone willing to tell you a truth you don't like. And you are lying about me, because you know you've lost on the facts.
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Or are you now going to claim that they should be obeyed even when they're acting outside their jurisdiction? I dare you.
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