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Latest Windows 10 Update Breaks PowerShell (infoworld.com)

Posted by BeauHD on from the broken-features dept.

whoever57 writes: According to a report via InfoWorld, the latest Windows 10 update [KB 3176934] breaks Desired State Configuration (DSC) functionality in PowerShell. Some things that were broken in the prior update, such as support of many webcams and a freeze issue, don't appear to have been fixed in this update. Windows PowerShell Blog reported last night: "Due to a missing .MOF file in the build package, the update breaks DSC. All DSC operations will result in an 'Invalid Property' error. If you are using DSC from or on any Windows client, take the following steps: Uninstall the update if already installed [...]; If using WSUS, do not approve the update. Otherwise, Use Group Policy to set the 'Configure Automatic Updates' to '2 -- Notify for download and notify for install' [...] A fix for this issue will be included in the next Windows update which is due out 8/30/2016."

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  1. The MS Merry Go Round. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    A fix for this issue will be included in the next Windows update which is due out 8/30/2016

    I dread to think what that update will break.

    1. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Angeret · · Score: 5, Funny

      There was a time when windows update would give you a list of what was fixed. Now it seems to be a list of what was/will be broken.

    2. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      I suspect that Microsoft's plan here is to save money by making Windows 10 Home edition users be the QA team.

    3. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      There was a time when windows update would give you a list of what was fixed. Now it seems to be a list of what was/will be broken.

      But t's like a new surprise each time. the fun part is listening to the shills try to blame it on the victims, So we have audio drivers, Ethernet adapters, Cameras, Powershell and more. I wonder if the dreaded predicted XPocalypse is actually going to happen instead with a windows 10 update bricking everything. The shills might have to use Linux or OSX to post their defense of the bricking as a good thing.

      Windows 10 - the gift that keeps on taking.

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    4. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      OSX has had it's bad updates as well. Didn't they mess up email a few years ago?

    5. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Ain't no suspecting required, just look up Barancles Nerdgasm's "I was fired" video on YouTube. He was part of the testing team and talks about how pretty much all the QA and testing teams for Windows were fired and makes it clear the vibe at Redmond was pretty much Insider for alpha testing, Home and Pro is the beta, Enterprise is the actual product...which is of course the only version you have to rent instead of buy.

      This is why I'm telling my customers to stay far away from Win 10 and if they get a new PC with that POS OS? I point them to Win 8 OEM which you can get quite cheaply (and once upgraded to 8.1 with Classic Shell is just Win 7 with some speed tweaks) because even with the new OEM systems it doesn't take more than one or two patches before I'm getting calls that shit is broken.

      Now I've had every version of windows since 3.1, including the shitastic WinME and the bloated irritating Vista...Win10 IMHO is the worst product they have EVER came out with bar none. WinME? You could hack in some files from Win98 SE and make it a decent if not good OS. Vista? You could use NLite to chop out the crap and make an okay, not as good as XP X64 but an okay OS for daily use. And of course Win 8/8.1 you could just slap on Classic Shell and take out the crapstore and telemetry crap and its a good solid performer...Win 10? IMHO its not even beta quality, with every update just as much shit gets broke as gets fixed and frankly until Win 10 I had even forgotten what a BSOD looked like simply because how well previous versions past XP handled major errors. Its just not a good OS folks, its buggy, has baked in spyware and ads, it doesn't even look nice, its just a bad product.

      Hopefully by the time 8.1 (if not 7) is reaching EOL they will have given Nutella his walking papers, if they haven't? Well I don't think there will be a Windows business to worry about really, it'll just be legacy installs while everyone is on Google or Apple OSes. Ballmer tried to kill the company being a faux Apple, Nutella is trying to finish the job by being a faux Google.

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    6. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by donaldm · · Score: 2

      Actually, Barancles Nerdgasm used to work for Microsoft and has a few Youtube videos on Windows 10 which he fully admits is a reasonably fine operating system. However, he pulls no punches when it comes to the privacy features of windows 10 which he finds appalling.

      I installed Windows 10 Genuine Malware edition :-) on a virtual machine running under Linux and even after turning off all the privacy features the OS still likes to call home ( Wireshark is your friend here) and that is even before I log into the OS. Needless to say, I don't trust Windows 10 and I have not started up its virtual machine since then.

      Note: I actually use the following IP address lookup site to determine which machines Windows 10 was talking to and "You Guessed it" they were all owned by Microsoft. It would not be too bad (well maybe) if those sites were in the country where I live which is Australia but they were in other countries including the USA. I can understand authentification at a stretch but the sheer amount of information being sent was ridiculous.

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    7. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I'll have to disagree on that. Windows 10 has many many warts and even more bugs, but Windows ME was actually self destructive. It was an OS we always joked where you did not turn your computer off and on again because a soft reset would make things worse.

      For all the Windows 10 bugs I've seen and heard of, it pales in comparison to Windows ME where I'm not sure I've ever seen or heard of an installation that got through it's life without complete system crashes and re-installs.

      I'm finding Windows 10 tolerable (and actually haven't been hit by any of the show stopping bugs *touch wood*) but after the 3rd complete reinstall in a short period of time I actively down(up)graded Windows ME to 98 again before moving to XP.

    8. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by RDW · · Score: 1

      ...and "You Guessed it" they were all owned by Microsoft.

      It would be rather more worrying if they weren't.

    9. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Everyone has themselves to blame. If you install win10 voluntary then fuck you. You asked for it, m$ provided.
      The only question is what to think about, for example a single non-tech parent buying a notebook for their child... I think in that case fuck the OEMs who install shit on their computers.
      All techies who use windoze 10, fuck you. You asked for it.

    10. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The problem is that general purpose computers with general purpose operating systems are geek toys, and are far too complicated for the average guy on the street... In their failing attempts to make windows more suitable for such users, they are making it less palatable to the more technically minded users too.

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    11. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      OSX has had it's bad updates as well. Didn't they mess up email a few years ago?

      Nothing on OSX that didn't get fixed readily. Having lived through the Mail problem, it pales in comparison to say, my W10 machines that were updated, rebooted, then could no longer access ethernet. Windows 10 update experience is "What's next to break?" Because at this point, the day after updates, the web comes alive with what got hammered.

      Assuming of course, the machines still have access to the web, or boot.

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    12. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The problem is that general purpose computers with general purpose operating systems are geek toys, and are far too complicated for the average guy on the street... In their failing attempts to make windows more suitable for such users, they are making it less palatable to the more technically minded users too.

      The problem with what you are saying is that there is no problem at all with having a computer that can satisfy Grandma and ubergeek at the same time. OSX and Linux are both that way, and very seldom break. The hated Hipsters get along okay, and power users do as well. And yes, there are a lot of power users that use OSX.

      And if the average user wants a device that is completely free of fuss and muss as well as reliable, they can use a Chromebook like the one I'm using right now. Cheap and reliable. And boots Linux if I need it.

      It is getting really, really difficult to stand up for what Microsoft is doing at this point. As AC pointed out, Pro isn't Pro any more, and they are working enterprise toward a subscription service. You can't stop the fail - it will enter your computer and bitch it up whether you like it or not.

      The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.

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    13. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      What's really funny is that the apologists/shills (I think most of them are really apologists, not paid shills) have long trotted out the tired old meme about Linux "not having drivers", even though it's mostly BS. Yet Linux never has problems like this where drivers actually get broken in new releases, whereas apparently it's now a real issue with Windows.

    14. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.

      Why should they? Reliability costs money: it takes more engineering resources (and higher quality ones too) to make software reliable instead of just slapping features in . Why should MS do this? It'll just detract from their bottom line. They can be more profitable by doing less engineering (and having less engineering staff too), and just letting customers deal with the problems. It's not like the customers are going to abandon Windows.

    15. Re: The MS Merry Go Round. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Fortunately Bash still works on Windows. It is only Powershell that is broken.

    16. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Hopefully by the time 8.1 (if not 7) is reaching EOL they will have given Nutella his walking papers, if they haven't? Well I don't think there will be a Windows business to worry about really, it'll just be legacy installs while everyone is on Google or Apple OSes.

      I'm sorry, I completely disagree.

      First, I applaud Nadella; he's doing a great job. I for one am really enjoying watching this shit-show. It's very entertaining watching Windows users suffer.

      But this idea that MS will go under due to this is silly. We're already seeing it now: Win10 is a semi-disaster, but it doesn't matter because customers are sticking with it anyway. It really doesn't matter what MS does, as long as Windows mostly works (just like old British cars mostly worked, they only needed to visit the mechanic a few times a month or so, but they could probably be counted on to work about 50% of the time); most customers simply will not abandon the Windows platform, no matter what. Some home customers might, going to either OSX, iOS, Android, or Chomebooks, but enterprise customers absolutely will not. After all, if your business gets its IT support from HP Enterprise, you already have bigger problems with reliability than Windows 10.

      I'm just surprised it took MS this long to realize they had free reign to screw over their customers without any repercussions. It's about time. This will be good for their profitability and their stock price.

    17. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by TroII · · Score: 1

      Windows 10 - the gift that keeps on taking.

      Linux: Free as in speech.
      BSD: Free as in beer.
      Windows 10: Free as in herpes.

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    18. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I dread to think what that update will break.

      I don't; I look forward to it with glee. I'm having a lot of fun watching Microsoft users being tormented by Windows 10.

    19. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Oh, please. These businesses and governments have been threatening to move to Linux for years and years; they never do. They only say this so they can get a discount from Microsoft when they're negotiating their license costs.

      Show me a significant number of companies, or any really large companies, that have actually made a move to Linux. We're all familiar with a small handful of standout examples: City of Munich, Ernie Ball, etc., but these are exceptions, not the norm.

      I'd really love it if businesses and governments all moved to Linux, but after everything I've seen about how these organizations work, I'll believe it can happen when I actually see it, and I expect to see pigs fly first. The morons running these places don't know anything besides MS, so they aren't going to change no matter what. It's entirely to MS's advantage to screw over their customers for more profit, because these customers aren't going anywhere.

    20. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Sorry Hairy but did you read the news earlier this week>?

      Windows 7/8 will get the same updates starting in October! So will server too! All cumulative.

      What I do is use the Windows 10 pro and setup defer updates. This will delay 3 to 4 months any upgrade besides security. It is the only option by October for stability.

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    21. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      Hopefully by the time 8.1 (if not 7) is reaching EOL they will have given Nutella his walking papers, if they haven't? Well I don't think there will be a Windows business to worry about really, it'll just be legacy installs while everyone is on Google or Apple OSes.

      I'm sorry, I completely disagree.

      First, I applaud Nadella; he's doing a great job. I for one am really enjoying watching this shit-show. It's very entertaining watching Windows users suffer.

      But this idea that MS will go under due to this is silly. We're already seeing it now: Win10 is a semi-disaster, but it doesn't matter because customers are sticking with it anyway. It really doesn't matter what MS does, as long as Windows mostly works (just like old British cars mostly worked, they only needed to visit the mechanic a few times a month or so, but they could probably be counted on to work about 50% of the time); most customers simply will not abandon the Windows platform, no matter what. Some home customers might, going to either OSX, iOS, Android, or Chomebooks, but enterprise customers absolutely will not. After all, if your business gets its IT support from HP Enterprise, you already have bigger problems with reliability than Windows 10.

      I'm just surprised it took MS this long to realize they had free reign to screw over their customers without any repercussions. It's about time. This will be good for their profitability and their stock price.

      Windows 10 was almost awesome! It could have been the next XP/7 if MS kept the QA team and didn't spy on everyone. Yes he did awesomeness with Azure, linux interopibility and Visual Studio, but Windows is freaking trash now and is the glue that holds their ecosystem together.

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    22. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Everyone has themselves to blame. If you install win10 voluntary then fuck you. You asked for it, m$ provided. The only question is what to think about, for example a single non-tech parent buying a notebook for their child... I think in that case fuck the OEMs who install shit on their computers. All techies who use windoze 10, fuck you. You asked for it.

      A mind is a terrible thing to waste.

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    23. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      What's really funny is that the apologists/shills (I think most of them are really apologists, not paid shills) have long trotted out the tired old meme about Linux "not having drivers", even though it's mostly BS. Yet Linux never has problems like this where drivers actually get broken in new releases, whereas apparently it's now a real issue with Windows.

      I suspect many of the people who Installed Linux but it didn't have drivers either tried that in 1999, or haven't ever touched a Linux powered computer.

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    24. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Ravaldy · · Score: 1

      Needless to say, I don't trust Windows 10 and I have not started up its virtual machine since then.

      I won't argue that Windows 10 calls home or that it may or may not collect sensitive data. I will however say that if one owns are smart phone or uses one of the major search engines, Windows 10 is in no way worst.

      I'm one of those that moved to Windows 10 because I live in the MS world and I honestly like it. I didn't care much about the call home AS LONG as it doesn't ruin my experience using the OS and doesn't send my files just because it can. All signs point to usage data being collected for both OS improvements and the pushing of ads. Unfortunately the last 2 patches have plagued me with the well know LOCK UP issue. They collect data to help solve it which I 100% approve of.

    25. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      The least they could do for this compilation of fail is give us machines that are reliable.

      Why should they? Reliability costs money: it takes more engineering resources (and higher quality ones too) to make software reliable instead of just slapping features in . Why should MS do this? It'll just detract from their bottom line. They can be more profitable by doing less engineering (and having less engineering staff too), and just letting customers deal with the problems. It's not like the customers are going to abandon Windows.

      That's assuming there is no level at which their customers will abandon them. I've effectively abandoned them for the second time now. "Effectively" because the one program that I need that requires Windows is now taken care of on Mac and uses Windows 7. But they get no more money from me. And I've routed a lot of people to either OSX machines or installed Linux on a lot of people's ex Windows machines. I suspect that there might be some limit to the abuse. In any event, if people are masochists, there is a platform just right for them. 8^)

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    26. Re: The MS Merry Go Round. by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

      the funny thing is launching a normal CMD window via shift+rightclick > open command window here, is also broken in the latest version. "the filename, directory name, or volume label syntax is incorrect" "c:\windows\system32>" launches in the correct directory though if you type cmd into the path bar of explorer.

    27. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I have a big example: the French gendarmerie, more than 85 000 computers switched to Linux. The thing is, it takes time, and most organizations couldn't react and got screwed, but now they know it is possible to switch, and many don't intend to pay again.

      I've actually seen a conference by one of the guy who was in charge of that switch, and since then, he has been hired as a consultant to advise organizations (including South Korea, where there government didn't get a dollar of discount on the thousands of licenses they bought, and are quite pissed of having spent millions on them) on how to plan it for them.
      And one of his main advice is to shut up about the progress of the project, because as soon as it becomes serious, microsoft representatives come regularly to ask questions and monitor the progress, and microsoft lobbyists try to slow it down through politicians.

      The gendarmerie soon stopped all communication about it and let people think nothing much was actually happening anymore, to stop being constantly harassed by microsoft and by microsoft influenced politicians.

      You'll see, windows seven will be the last windows version many organizations will ever buy.

    28. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      The main customer who will not abandon Windows no matter what are businesses (esp. large ones) and governments. The US government just loves MS (plus HP Enterprise); even if all their individual customers and most businesses left them, they could just jack up their prices to $1M per computer and the US government will happily pay that.

    29. Re: The MS Merry Go Round. by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I am always terrified during an update. Will I still have a working computer afterwards?

      Luck of the draw. I went s few months with no problems. Lately it's been every update.

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    30. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by hlavac · · Score: 1

      Reliability costs money, unreliability costs customers. Whoever came up with the idea of firing the whole Microsoft testing division deserves to be lynched by a pitchfork wielding mob of angry paying customers...

    31. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You're completely wrong here.

      If you were talking about a normal, competitive industry like cars, you'd be correct: reliability costs money, and unreliability costs customers. Detroit knows that lesson all too well. Sell someone an unreliable car, and they'll badmouth it and start looking for another car in the same price range with a better reliability reputation. This is why Japanese brands have commanded higher prices than similar American cars for a long time; it takes a lot of time (esp. in the car industry since people keep their cars for years) to fix your reputation. It's even more pronounced in other markets where the products cost less and people don't keep them as long (cars are the second-most expensive items consumers typically purchase, behind houses).

      Microsoft does not operate in a competitive industry. If someone thinks Windows 10 is unreliable, what are they going to do? They could buy a Mac, but those are much more expensive than Windows machines; you're not going to get a Mac for $300 or $400. And the Mac won't so easily run their Windows software, unless they run it in a VM (like with Parallels) but then they're still going to have the same unreliability problems since that's really Windows. They could run Linux, but there again you have the software compatibility problem, and on top of that most people don't even know what Linux is. In the enterprise space, it's really worse because even though they have professional IT, those IT pros only know Windows (you'll have to lay off your whole IT department and start from scratch to switch OSes), and they run all kinds of crappy "enterprise" software that only runs on Windows.

      So, since the customers aren't going anywhere (except holding out with their older Windows versions as long as possible), what incentive exactly does MS have to invest in reliability? None. It's really a waste of money for them, and hurts their profits. It's better for them to make Windows as shoddy as possible to save money (while not making it completely non-functional because then they can suffer class-action lawsuits, returns, etc.), and keep profitability high while letting the customers suffer with unreliability.

      So, since the

    32. Re:The MS Merry Go Round. by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Yep and I'll be advising customers to disable updates, which won't be an issue since the browser runs in a sandbox and all web pages are scanned before load.

      Meanwhile all my business customers are looking at exit strategies, some looking at Apple, some looking at Linux with a Windows VM for the Windows centric software that is required. All MSFT is doing is shooting themselves in their face with this dumb shit because a desktop is not a cellphone and the shit people will put up with on a cellphone the majority will NOT put up with on a desktop. I should know as uninstalling windows 10 is frankly one of my most popular services, it even surpassed Win 8 uninstalls awhile back, its just too fucking buggy.

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  2. Well by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 3, Funny

    I guess BASH was put in just in time, eh?

  3. Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What a complete disaster.

    1. Re:Windows 10 by surfdaddy · · Score: 2

      LIpstick and spyware on a pig.

  4. Latest W10 update breaks by turkeydance · · Score: 1

    stuff

    1. Re:Latest W10 update breaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Permanent headline?

      It's not going to end you know.

  5. Soon: One last update to end all misery by skaag · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mark my words: The day will come when an update from Microsoft will nuke the Windows installation beyond repair. ISPs will suddenly see a massive drop in traffic. Downloads and streaming will suddenly be super fast for everybody else. Spam, Ransomware, DDoS Bots and Trojans will vanish from the planet for 24 to 48 hours until people reinstall Windows on their machines and will access infected sites, get infected again... and the whole thing will start all over again :-)

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    1. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by zlives · · Score: 1

      24-48 hours of good dsl service is worth it.

    2. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by whoever57 · · Score: 1

      DDoS Bots and Trojans will vanish from the planet for 24 to 48 hours until people reinstall Windows on their machines and will access infected sites, get infected again... and the whole thing will start all over again :-)

      Quite likely, it'll be worse than before. Many of those machines will be browsing the web without the benefit of all the updates from Microsoft, so a very high infection rate is to be expected.

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    3. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They did say that Windows 10 is going to be the last version of Windows.

      If they keep this up, then maybe enough people will dump Windows to make that a reality!

    4. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by Gr8Apes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Aren't you a ray of fucking sunshine

      He is. For many of us, such an event would be a major positive development.

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    5. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by Sperbels · · Score: 2

      I don't understand comments like this. I get 20 Mbps which isn't even the fastest DSL service in my area and it seems plenty fast. High Def streaming...installing several gigabyte programs quickly, etc...it's quite fast, and it's been down once for a couple hours in the last 1 1/2 years. It's just as good if not better than comcast and I don't have to deal with comcast.

    6. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

      perhaps you have also just described the cyclical nature of the entire universe, including what the big bang (our local one) was. on a cosmic scale, of course.

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    7. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by skaag · · Score: 1

      I actually wrote about this a few years ago (2008) in my blog:

      http://skaag.net/2008/09/17/a-new-big-bang-theory/

      I think it's kinda silly and a bit stupid. I did have a few beers while thinking it up. Don't take it seriously please :-)

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    8. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Under ideal conditions a 1GB app will take 7 minutes to download at 20Mb. So if you are installing "several", let's say 7, that will take you a little under an hour in the best case. Not what I would call "quickly".

      That's assuming everything is perfect and you are the only user, not doing anything else with the connection. Once your household has more than 1 person trying to use the connection, those times at least double. Also, if one of you is saturating the connection, it makes interactive stuff slow for the other.

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    9. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by Sperbels · · Score: 1

      I didn't think we were at the point yet where 1GB in 7 minutes is considered worthy of sympathy.

    10. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Why is it that every time I make a comment about Seattle, referencing posts like yours here (I haven't actually been to Seattle, much less lived there and tried to sign up for ISP service), some Seattle person chimes in telling me that it's all lies and they have no trouble getting high-speed internet service there?

    11. Re:Soon: One last update to end all misery by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

      I get 1.2 megs a second in Houston Texas. Yes it is bad, but Comcast is my only other option

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  6. Re:PowerShell by zlives · · Score: 1

    it was always just a shell of shell anyway

  7. Re:There's a better fix for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I prefer this: https://www.linuxmint.com/

  8. Re:There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How to fix your PC: http://www.ubuntu.com/download...

    How do I run MS Office and Adobe CC on that?

  9. Re: No surprise here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Out major investor in 2009 was Ignition Partners. The confirmed PowerShell was going to be dropped and required us to not use it.

  10. All or nothing forced updates by Dracos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is the latest demonstration of why the all-or-nothing forced updates coming in October are a terrible idea.

  11. To the devs by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

    Windows code is such a mess, don't try to modify it. Just take Windows 7 code (the CD with the code must be in the same drawer as in 2009, 2nd from top), recompile it, and put a Windows 10 sticker on it.

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    1. Re: To the devs by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      s/Windows 7/Windows 10/g

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  12. Re:There's a better fix for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    Libre Office is a good enough alternative to MS Office.

    Adobe's stuff is a bit trickier, but try to run it under Wine.

  13. So? by ooloorie · · Score: 1

    Nothing of value was lost.

  14. Re:There's a better fix for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I prefer whiskey....

  15. Please sue Microsoft already by brxndxn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Anyone that attempts to sue Microsoft is a hero, IMO. Their business model is basically to piss off users and waste peoples' time.

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    1. Re:Please sue Microsoft already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Because the defendant has demonstrated a clear and blatant history of low quality, problem-riddled products, and of generally pissing off users, the plaintiff had no reasonable expectation that a mandatory update would permit the computer equipment to continue to function. Case dismissed."

  16. Re:Bountiful Bashing, Batman! by ewhac · · Score: 2
    Just so I understand your latest directive from Minitrue correctly: When one witnesses gross engineering incompetence, and then publicly describes said gross engineering incompetence as gross engineering incompetence brands one as an asshole.

    Got it.

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  17. wherefore art thou, QC? by e432776 · · Score: 2

    Lately the quality of the updates reminds me of Windows ME. I was affected by this mess just recently, now dealing with broken PS.

  18. Re:Bountiful Bashing, Batman! by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 2

    > This is why I hate going to Slashdot. Not the factually incorrect articles, not the summaries needing proofreading, not the occasional "advertising". It's the asshole users.

    As opposed to the asshole MS that force upgrades your Windows 7 / 8 and admits they can't disable tracking.

    Methinks your priorities are out of whack.

  19. You know what they say... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    Windows ain't done until Powershell won't run!

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  20. LOLOL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    And that's why my Win 10 installation process goes:

    1) Install
    2) Run updates once, make sure everything's ok
    3) Disable updates, Cortana, scheduled maintenance, and antimalware from the registry, and disable Windows Search and Superfetch from Services
    4) Never worry about an update breaking my system or the never effing ending HDD grinding or SSD wearing

    1. Re: LOLOL by mspohr · · Score: 1

      So... No malware fixes?

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  21. Already happened by random_ID · · Score: 1

    Yesterday my Windows 10 machine installed updates that caused the BIOS RAID setting for my boot drive to be disabled. "Error loading operating system" GG

    1. Re: Already happened by mspohr · · Score: 2

      You publicly admit that you have a Windows computer?

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    2. Re: Already happened by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Microsoft does not need trolls. It's perfectly capable to wreck that reputation all by itself.

    3. Re:Already happened by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Ah, don't feel bad. I left windows with Win whatever back in 94 that took it upon itself to erase the CMOS on my EISA motherboard upon the final reboot during installation. Did it three times (the third was to verify exactly where in the process the damn thing erased it). It only happened with 2 drives attached, if there was only 1, install went fine. If you've never had the pleasure of booting an EISA board with no configuration, trust me, it's painful and made any windows install look positively modern and fast in comparison. You could even configure and build gentoo faster the first time you ever saw linux after learning what a keyboard was.

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  22. Re: No surprise here by wilder_card · · Score: 1

    So they're killing a useful and surprisingly well designed product because it doesn't fit their "philosophy"? What philosophy is that? Write C# for every little scripting job?

  23. Re: No surprise here by mspohr · · Score: 1

    What is PowerShell?

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  24. Re:Bountiful Bashing, Batman! by bondsbw · · Score: 2

    Well, there's more to it than "complete disaster". Updates are a disaster. The fact that they are secretive about what telemetry really does is a disaster. The resetting of settings and registry changes made on purpose by the user is a disaster.

    I don't think those things are due to engineering incompetence... more like decisions at the upper level that someone hopes will translate into shareholders being happy. Those issues aren't a big deal to a lot of users, and there is a lot of improvements in other areas of Windows 10. This has translated into a 24% stock price increase since Windows 10 went RTM, and shareholders are happy. Goal met... definitely not a "complete disaster".

    But I don't really think Microsoft is helping itself long-term with this strategy. It had better have a solution to the bridges that are being burned with the power users. Google is seriously within reach of being able to compete with Microsoft in areas like desktop/laptop/business OS. Chrome proves they can kill a Microsoft monopoly, while Android proves they can (at least help) build a new market that replaces a market that is heavily vested in Microsoft technology. Maybe Azure+Office is the endgame, but I see Microsoft peaking soon and going downhill very fast if it isn't hard at work in the background on fixing this problem.

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  25. Does anyone actually use PowerShell DSC? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Okay, before you all bash Microsoft, honestly, does anyone actually use this? PowerShell DSC is a horribly over-complicated thing with such limited power - I wouldn't be surprised if this didn't get picked up in QA because this feature is so ... pointless, that nobody sane actually uses this on Windows 10.

    Hence why it took SO LONG to be found out after the anniversary update came out. Doesn't this mean that NONE of the people using Windows Insider builds encountered this issue? Means none of them are using this.

    Frankly, it's an advert for sliming Windows down and, over time, getting rid of the dozens of ways of doing something and reducing it down to just one, sane, one.

    SOME People might use it as a means to deploy configure windows server instances as part of their deploy an image type software... although honestly, docker containers will probably obsolete this approach. But... that's all SERVER deployments, not W10.

    Microsoft QA will no doubt include this into their automated tests though to make sure it doesn't happen again.

    True, it's not good... but... this particular case doesn't seem to me to be a showstopper.

    1. Re:Does anyone actually use PowerShell DSC? by Christopher_G_Lewis · · Score: 1

      Yes, *I* use DSC quite a bit. In fact, pretty much daily. But as upi state - *** For my server builds. ***

      This broke Windows 10 version 1607. I run it at home, and at work on a couple of test desktops, but i know of no instances of 1607 under our SCCM - for that matter, we only have about a 5% deploy of Windows 10.

      So yes, this slipped through, but I think the actual exposure will be quite small. Lots of crowds and torches on slashdot, but this is probably a very small blip.

        In fact, by virtue of how Fast Track gets deployed I don't think I'd ever see this issue -

          Win10 install from SCCM or ISO
          Apply DSC config as part of the build or part of a configuration script
          manually enable fast track
          wait for MS to update the box to fast track
          get the new build
          finally get the bad patch

      If I were MS, I'd look at creating a better patch/update exposure matrix - the Fast Track for Insider Updates includes all sorts of telemetry, and I would imagine that they could look at a patch and compare the functionality to the actual use telemetry - "This patch updates DSC. DSC has been used by 1% of all fast track users over the past 10 days. Risk of patch++"

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  26. Powershell on Linux???? NOOOOOOOOO by LVSlushdat · · Score: 1

    I read where MS "opensourced" PowerShell and are gonna provide it for Linux.. Geez.. Keep that MS garbage off my computer.. I dumped Windows about 6 years ago for 100% Linux, and it will be a sub-zero day in hell before ANYthing MS writes goes on ANY machine *I* control..... (shudders)

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    1. Re:Powershell on Linux???? NOOOOOOOOO by BringsApples · · Score: 1

      Just wait till BaSH has the same problem. You won't be able to boot! [/sarcasm]

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    2. Re:Powershell on Linux???? NOOOOOOOOO by rastos1 · · Score: 1

      I read where MS "opensourced" PowerShell ...

      See? This is a proof that once something goes opensource it instantly becomes less secure more buggy!

    3. Re:Powershell on Linux???? NOOOOOOOOO by umghhh · · Score: 1

      If not MS then Lennart will finish Bash off.

  27. Works for me by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    But then, on a Mac I guess everything Just Works, including Microsoft products... :-)

    I think Microsoft constantly breaking Windows is a sort of technological freudian slip. Even they are tired of Windows.

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    1. Re:Works for me by Z80a · · Score: 1

      Until the foxconn mobo gives in, or the thing overheats.

    2. Re:Works for me by chrish · · Score: 1

      Other nice things about being on Mac are that you're not distracted by popular video games anymore, and you don't have to worry about new hardware making your laptop obsolete, since Apple seems to have completely abandoned their computer business a few years ago...

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    3. Re:Works for me by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      First time i ever saw OSX crash, it was down to microsoft software (msoffice) being installed... I had similar problems with their RDP client too.

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    4. Re:Works for me by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

      Other nice things about being on Mac are that you're not distracted by popular video games anymore,

      Neither are PC users; popular games these days are all for consoles.

      Only niche FPS and tactical games ever come out PC only anymore.

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  28. Re: There's a better fix for this... by old_kennyp · · Score: 3, Informative

    Your so called Defacto Standard Keeps breaking compatibility with itself whenever a new version of itself is released so what is different?

    and yes Libre Office usually has less compatibility issues with MS Office files than MS Office does!

  29. Re:There's a better fix for this... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1
    Ubuntu is optionally built into Windows now.

    Of course why anyone would run Powershell on Windows when it runs natively on Linux...

  30. Re: There's a better fix for this... by GrumpyNope · · Score: 1

    Libre Office usually has less compatibility issues with MS Office files than MS Office does!

    Nope. I have yet to see a Word file that contains anything more advanced than some unformatted text display properly in LibreOffice.

  31. Re:PowerShell by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 1

    it was always just a shell of shell anyway

    sounds somewhat russian, to me. I don't trust it.

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  32. Satya, you screwed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Microsoft software has been a bug-ridden mess in every iteration since Windows XP and Office 2003, which were the last relatively stable versions your company ever released. Had you spent the intervening years ensuring Windows and Office had fewer and fewer bugs, were secure, and adhered to open standards instead of closed proprietary stuff, you would be much loved and cleanly earning money now.

    Instead, you ignored the bugs, ignored the security, ignored the standards, and instead went down the primrose path of telemetry and subscription models, copying others instead of blazing your own positive path.

    And now the chickens are coming home to roost. Why does your company always embrace the wrong things? Just a simple re-focus on avoiding buggy software would have brought you so much good will.

    But modern Microsoft software is a buggy mess, and has been for 15 years or so. Why, oh why, do smart people act so foolishly?

    1. Re:Satya, you screwed up by gweihir · · Score: 1

      Why, oh why, do smart people act so foolishly?

      Greed, arrogance, narcissism.

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    2. Re:Satya, you screwed up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Greed, arrogance, narcissism.

      Don't forget really big wire transfers from the NSA.

    3. Re:Satya, you screwed up by gweihir · · Score: 1

      While I think that falls under "greed", good point.

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    4. Re:Satya, you screwed up by gweihir · · Score: 1

      No idea. I am not into men in latex costumes.

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  33. No Great Loss. by DougReed · · Score: 1

    Maybe this will accelerate Bash integration. I tried to play with the Powershell years ago... YUK! Lets take a shell and make it Object Oriented... Huh? Why? it's a F*ing command prompt. Why oh why make it so complicated?

    1. Re:No Great Loss. by surfdaddy · · Score: 1

      Microsoft makes everything so complicated.

    2. Re:No Great Loss. by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Not only complicated, but different for the sake of being different...
      Pretty much every other system has the same standard shell with the same standard commands, maybe adding a few of their own but the basics still all work the same. Why reinvent the wheel (poorly) rather than starting with a standard unix like shell and maybe adding some extras?

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  34. Re:There's a better fix for this... by rastos1 · · Score: 1

    How do I run MS Office and Adobe CC on that?

    Well if you have to "run MS Office and Adobe CC" then I feel sorry for you. However if you need to run an office suite that includes a text processor, spreadsheet, presentation and vector drawing, and a photo editing software, then the suggestion of GP is not without merit.

  35. Re:There's a better fix for this... by donaldm · · Score: 1

    How to fix your PC: http://www.ubuntu.com/download...

    How do I run MS Office and Adobe CC on that?

    Oh! you mean the free genuine green parrot editions of MS Office and Adobe CC?

    Well, you can use "Wine" or a virtual machine running Windows 10 genuine Malware edition which you can get here for free.

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  36. Re:There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Many people replied, most were just silly MS hate...

    The suggestion of Wine is not a useful one, running applications like Office and Adobe CC in an emulator (or whatever you want to call it) vs the native OS is not likely to be a great experience.

    Why bother, when Windows works fine?

    The MS hate here is silly, Windows has issues, but so does Linux, neither are perfect...

  37. That is as expected by gweihir · · Score: 1

    MS wans to go back to the bad old days where their products were really crappy, but their revenue was king. So, since Win8, they have tried to fix the damage they did by releasing the actually reasonably good Win7, first by breaking the GUI and now by regularly breaking other things. Of course, this cargo-cult approach will not bring their revenue back, but it will remind everybody what MS really stands for quality-wise: Cheapest possible.

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  38. Re:Sad by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Would you do Fast Ring updates if you needed your machine to work because you do actual work with it? I think MS has not thought this "testing" scheme through.

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  39. Re: There's a better fix for this... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

    That hasn't been true since Office 2003, and from Office 2007 onwards with the .docx format it's been pretty much a non-issue for most people. The company I work at has a mixture of 2007, 2010, 2013 and 2016 and does not suffer from compatibility problems. We use some macros, revision/change tracking etc.

    I use Libre Office at home. Where it tends to fail badly is on macros. A lot of Excel sheets that use macros to calculate stuff for programmers and electronic designers don't work with it. Otherwise it's fine, although the old-school toolbars and menus could do with an update.

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  40. Re:There's a better fix for this... by present_arms · · Score: 1

    I prefer http://trinity.mypclinuxos.com... myself. Seriously though, I am pissed off at Microsoft for these problems as being the local "go to" guy I'm sick of people expecting me to fix shit that even the Microsoft devs themselves can't seem to. Yes I get paid for it, at the cost though of wasted time spending on stuff I shouldn't have to. Moan over

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  41. Re:There's a better fix for this... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 1

    The MS hate here is silly, Windows has issues, but so does Linux, neither are perfect...

    Another two imperfect things: Adolf Hitler and Mother Theresa.

  42. Re:There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    However if you need to run an office suite that includes a text processor, spreadsheet, presentation and vector drawing, and a photo editing software, then the suggestion of GP is not without merit.

    There is a difference between having a "text processor" and Microsoft Word, those two aren't interchangeable...

    Then there is "photo editing software", and then there is Adobe Photoshop, again, not the same thing...

    For just changing and making adjustments to images, there are a thousand free programs for that. Those programs don't do what Photoshop is really used for however...

  43. Re:There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    Programs run "native" with Wine. A simple explanation is that executables compiled as Windows PE binaries instead of Linux ELF just need a different loader to initialize a process and look up dependencies and Wine tries to implement both the loader and most dependencies. That it calls into a Linux kernel instead of an NT kernel is an implementation detail most processes don't care about.

    Don't be shocked, but I know that, hence the "or whatever you want to call it" comment...

    The problem is... it works until it doesn't... It works until an update breaks it... Then you have no support if it doesn't work...

    Yea, sorry, I have real work to do, I can't afford to hope it all works out somehow... Remind me who I call for support if Adobe Premiere Pro has an issue on Linux under Wine?

    These are business tools, not toys...

  44. Re: There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    MS office and photoshop lack of linux support is a fake argument and you know it.

    But the vast majority of people definitely don't need ms office or photoshop at home

    Running Windows at work and Linux at home is silly... Why learn two different OS? That is just more work...

    You're just blindly full of MS hate to make that suggestion...

  45. Re:There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    As many people dislike being spied on without an accesiible opt out for non IT experts, they dislike not having easy and proper control over the installed updates, and they most definitely do not like the idea of RENTING an OS.

    The number of people who use Google and FaceBook would seem to refute your statement...

    Also, who is renting their OS? I think you have some imagined idea of Windows that doesn't exist for normal people...

  46. Re:There's a better fix for this... by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    Many people replied, most were just silly MS hate...

    The suggestion of Wine is not a useful one, running applications like Office and Adobe CC in an emulator (or whatever you want to call it) vs the native OS is not likely to be a great experience.

    Why bother, when Windows works fine?

    The MS hate here is silly, Windows has issues, but so does Linux, neither are perfect...

    You know I was a zealot anti MS guy 15 years ago. Then switched pro MS around Windows 7. Now turning back due to Windows 10.

    No Windows did work fine under XP after SP 3 and Windows 7. It does not anymore. Plug in a kindle BAM BSOD. Install AMD Catalyst drivers after last weeks update? BAM need a re-mage to install the driver. Need Powershell DSC ... now need to fire a Windows Server 2012 R2 VM for my labs and certification. This is rediculous.

    I would say go Apple, but Apple too has had bugs with updates on MacOSX Yosemite. Wifi is a mess there too@! I just want to give up on any OS regardless. But too many older computers have hardware where the drivers are constaly over written with MS ones that break it! Windows Update keeps getting less and less customizable for the pro users. Last night I tried to setup it for Windows 8.1 style of let me decide when to reboot it. Now the option is grayed out and I just have a time to reset it where it will reboot without asking. WTF.

    Will I loose my work? Yes. That is unacceptable and Windows 8.1 just gives a warning and prompts to save at least before it reboots for an update.

    Windows 10 is awesome in many ways. But without QA, forced updates, and spyware MS dropped the ball as this could have been the next XP and 7.

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  47. Re: No surprise here by Billly+Gates · · Score: 1

    So they're killing a useful and surprisingly well designed product because it doesn't fit their "philosophy"? What philosophy is that? Write C# for every little scripting job?

    That is not true. MS has a video on Powershell DSC which shows IIS using it for administration. You practically need Powershell DSC to do anything automated on IIS farms or Exchange clusters.

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  48. Regressions happen, but... by EndlessNameless · · Score: 1

    I understand that sometimes bad things come with updates. Old bugs get back in, compatibility breaks, new bugs are introduced. It happens to every software package sooner or later.

    But if Microsoft wants to make updates fully automatic and even put them outside of the user's control, then they need to perform due diligence to minimize the risk of problems. Screwing up your build process in new, exciting, and trivial ways is not cutting it.

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  49. Re: There's a better fix for this... by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

    No it doesn't. MS Excel is leagues above Libre Office - especially with its implementation of multi-core CPU support. Processing can take time and Libre Office is a lot slower. Also a lot of features that Libre Office has to match MS Office are actually 3rd party addons. These addons can go outdated, don't have commercial support, and may stop working with newer versions/being developed.

  50. Re:There's a better fix for this... by mlw4428 · · Score: 1

    Let me tell you about my trials getting Ubuntu installed on my Thinkpad 11E (generation 3). Ubuntu (live flash drive) would not boot. I could get it working by using a deritivative of Ubuntu and then installing Unity manually (I like Unity). Know what I had to do for Windows 10 to work? Nothing, nothing at all. It just worked (tm). I spent a good 6-10 hours hunting around for a distro that worked, settled on Fedora, realized I hated Fedora, settiled back on Ubuntu and the rest is history. I posted on the Ubunut forums, I posted on the Ubuntu Subreddit, I posted on websites and couldn't get any help.

    I used Ubuntu, but it's far from perfect and has plenty of issues on its own.

  51. Re:There's a better fix for this... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    when Windows works fine?

    I think I spotted the flaw in your argument.

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  52. Re:There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    You think that Windows is installed on a billion computers and doesn't work fine?

    I think I spotted the flaw in your point...

  53. Re:There's a better fix for this... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Fine in the way that Vista did? Me? "Fine": I do not think that word means what you think it means.

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  54. Re:PowerShell by zlives · · Score: 1

    excellent, a missing "a" labels me somewhat Russian, next time i will remember to add Konrad or something

  55. Re:There's a better fix for this... by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

    Vista was not NEARLY as bad as people like to remember...

    After SP1 and some decent hardware, it was fine...

  56. Re:There's a better fix for this... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Yeah, but I had to use it when it was brand new and crappy. Fortunately, I didn't get one of those dubious "ready for Vista" computers, but it still had serious problems.

    However, the point is that perceived popularity of a Microsoft operating system has very little bearing on how good it is. There's a whole lot of them out there because systems are preloaded with W10, and most people don't change their OSes. Most people want to run some software that is Windows-only or Windows-or-Mac, and most of them don't want the Mac. (There are people with simpler needs, but they've largely moved to tablets.) If Microsoft produces a crappy OS, hundreds of millions of people are going to use it. Given the extreme measures Microsoft took to deceive W7 and W8 users to go to W10, massive "acceptance" was inevitable.

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