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Microsoft Fixes Windows 10 Anniversary Update Freezing Issues (betanews.com)

An anonymous reader writes: The Anniversary Update may have introduced a whole host of new features but it has also caused a fair number of problems for Windows 10 users. Among the most annoying issues reported since its release in late-July are freezes on systems equipped with SSDs. Microsoft has acknowledged the problem and provided a couple of workarounds that users could try, promising that a permanent fix would eventually be made available. Microsoft now says that it has addressed the freezing issues in the latest Cumulative Update that it just released. "After the launch of the Anniversary Update for Windows 10, Microsoft received a small number of reports of Windows 10 freezing when signing into Windows after installing the Anniversary Update. With the help of users and MVP's who posted on this thread an investigation determined that a small fraction of users who had moved app information to a second logical drive could encounter this issue," explains Microsoft.

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  1. SSD Hell by A10Mechanic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Six months ago Windows 10 ate my SSD array. Totally creamed it, with no recovery possible. Glad to see they're making progress on the issue, he said tongue-in-cheek.

    1. Re:SSD Hell by rubycodez · · Score: 2

      We non-consensual forced upgraders to windows 10 on SSD drives should be especially heartened by this news

      go Microsoft!

    2. Re:SSD Hell by phishybongwaters · · Score: 2

      I've had no issues with win10 on my ssd. I have, however, had the issue with it rebooting, or thinking it rebooted, when coming out of sleep. Anniversary update flipped that back on. mind you, I'm not doing RAID so I suspect that's the issue, you'd think MS would have tested this a little

    3. Re:SSD Hell by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Six months ago Windows 10 ate my SSD array.

      In my experience, users tend to blame Windows for just about everything, even when Windows isn't remotely to blame...

      While it is possible you're correct, I've learned to assume when someone says "Windows broke my computer" that usually it is "anything BUT Windows broke my computer"

      I'm right more often than I'm not...

    4. Re:SSD Hell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They fired all the testers so they could focus on marketing.

    5. Re:SSD Hell by FrankHaynes · · Score: 2

      A big source of trouble that is most overlooked is simply clean a.c. power. SO MANY PROBLEMS without ready explanation can be solved by providing clean u.p.s. power to the computer and yet too many home and small business users carelessly don't bother.

      If it's a laptop or battery-operated handheld device that is not an issue, but for traditional desktop machines it certainly is.

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    6. Re:SSD Hell by donaldm · · Score: 1

      A big source of trouble that is most overlooked is simply clean a.c. power. SO MANY PROBLEMS without ready explanation can be solved by providing clean u.p.s. power to the computer and yet too many home and small business users carelessly don't bother.

      If it's a laptop or battery-operated handheld device that is not an issue, but for traditional desktop machines it certainly is.

      Having a UPS is important if you have machines that are deemed mission critical, however, you also have to ask the question "How long do you want the UPS to stay up after the main grid power goes out?" The answer can result in hundreds to hundreds of thousands of dollars being spent on a UPS infrastructure.

      As for home use a UPS is not really necessary if you live in town or city where the normal power supply is clean and reliable (read most first world countries). Sure there is always the possibility of a rare power outage but pretty much all desktops can handle that. What may be a problem is the operating system and pretty much all Linux and BSD OS's can handle a forced outage easily.

      As a consultant I was once asked by management how do they test failover on a cluster. My solution was to go to one of the machines and flip it's power switch. That is what we call a "Kodak moment" but it was an excellent demonstration because the whole idea of a cluster it to allow for catastrophic failure and all computers unless you are willing to spend millions and even then there is no 100% guarantee will eventually fail. In case you are interested the cluster performed perfectly and there were no issues just some shocked managers but it was a good test.

      BTW I have also seen expensive (read over one million dollars) UPS fail so there is no such thing as 100% possibility of providing clean and reliable power.

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    7. Re:SSD Hell by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

      The most frequent occurrence is a brown out or voltage spike that glitches computerized electronics of all kinds: computers, Roku boxes, IoT devices powered by the a.c. mains. It's not about run time when the power goes clean out, it's about smoothing out the bumps on the a.c. mains that occur often enough in first world countries that they ARE a concern. Particularly for those with nearby industry that might put a big but brief hit on your feeder when they fire up a big motor or illuminated sign.

      Don't be a guinea pig, don't be an ostrich: lay out less than $100 to buy a decent UPS to save yourself some needless, preventable headaches. I speak from experience.

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    8. Re:SSD Hell by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

      Yup. American/Canadian cities with their low voltages have horrible issues, especially in older neighborhoods, where the grid was not designed for the increased modern load. I have found that a UPS will make most PC issues go away.

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    9. Re:SSD Hell by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I agree. I also have had zero problems with Windows 10.

      That doesn't make it any less the most complained about and bug riddled OS that MS has released. I have had nothing but good experiences with it, but I also won't shut my eyes and stick my fingers in my ears and pretend that it is anywhere near as stable as prior OSes.

    10. Re:SSD Hell by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 2

      That doesn't make it any less the most complained about and bug riddled OS that MS has released.

      Citation needed...

      And I say that seriously, with no snark... The complaints on Slashdot frankly don't count, the Linux zealots here really aren't unbiased enough to have an objective viewpoint.

      I deal every day with people who wouldn't know a MHz from a GHz, they just want to use their computer and get on with life. Without exception, Windows 10 works fine, I don't see all the problems with it that others do, and this includes running it on everything from brand new machines to 10 year old Core2Duo machines.

      People love to complain, but I'm just not seeing the issue... And complaints about privacy don't count when it comes to "crashes and bugs", that is a separate issue and one that I find to be rather hypocritical coming from people with Google accounts and Android phones and who use credit cards and reward cards and who drive cars that track them anyway...

      MS is way late to this party...

      I personally drive a GM truck that has OnStar, I carry an iPhone with location services turned on, I use GMail for everything, and I pay for everything everywhere with plastic. I would be completely delusional to think that somehow Microsoft is going to be the source of all my privacy woes. That ship has sailed and isn't coming back.

    11. Re:SSD Hell by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      The complaints on Slashdot frankly don't count

      Slashdot? Try the Microsoft support forums, or just turn on the news. I mean some of the things aren't directly a problem with Windows 10 such as the debacle that rendered millions of webcams useless, but frankly given the now rolling nature of the release, boneheadded moves by Microsoft issued in updates can be lumped in with Windows 10 especially since they are unavoidable.

      I deal every day with people who wouldn't know a MHz from a GHz

      So do I, and these are the people who come to me saying they are sick of doing system restores. I have not had problems with my personal systems, but that doesn't mean that I haven't been present with some physically bizarre behaviours, e.g. a Surface Pro 4 on the day it was taken out of the box, on first reboot after getting up dates ... infinite reboot loop, a factory reset later and a perfect repeat of updates and it works just fine. Or my girlfriends attempt to install windows 10 twice on her laptop. The first the the CD drive didn't work. The second time it did. No explanation why.

      I do agree though Slashdot is mostly whining about privacy, and a never ending string of issues that could best be explained by being unable to handle change but that doesn't seem to stem the never ending string of bizarre self destructive reports I see on Windows 10.

    12. Re:SSD Hell by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Slashdot? Try the Microsoft support forums, or just turn on the news.

      Anything used by hundreds of millions of people is going to get that level of attention...

      Try going to the Ford or GM forums, you'll see endless complaints from unhappy owners, that doesn't mean that the odds of me getting a good truck are poor.

      So do I, and these are the people who come to me saying they are sick of doing system restores.

      I must live a blessed life! :) If you say that happens, fair enough, I have no reason to doubt you... all I can do is say that my experience is different, but perhaps my circle of contacts is different in some way, it isn't large enough to be "the market" as a whole of course.

    13. Re:SSD Hell by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My big annoyance so far is that Microsoft seems to think that the time I turn my computer on is excellent for doing long processes that don't allow me to use the computer for anything.

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    14. Re:SSD Hell by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      What we're looking at here is a scenario that runs: GP had a working computer with a working SSD array. Microsoft forced an update. GP's SSD array stopped working.

      In other words, a Microsoft action that GP couldn't stop trashed his SSD array. There's no way Microsoft can dodge the blame for that. It may be that his SSD array was put together faulty, and it was just luck that it worked in the first place, and in that sense it might not be Windows' fault specifically, but the fault of the Windows 10 update system.

      Look up Raymond Chen, "The Old New Thing". He wrote about working to make sure everything that ran on Windows 3.1 would run on Windows 95, on the principle that, if the user upgraded the OS, and stuff stopped working, the user would blame the OS. He went to the extreme of modifying the memory manager to handle one application separately. When software wouldn't run on Windows 95, he took it personally. That attitude seems to have left Microsoft long ago.

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    15. Re:SSD Hell by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      thanks for the sample size of one organization, AC!

    16. Re:SSD Hell by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      What we're looking at here is a scenario that runs: GP had a working computer with a working SSD array. Microsoft forced an update. GP's SSD array stopped working.

      Correlation is not causation...

    17. Re:SSD Hell by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      There was one change, and the SSDs stopped working. I suppose that if I showed up at your place and let the air out of your tires, you'd think "Damn, there's a correlation between what david_thornley did and my tires going flat. I wonder what happened."

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    18. Re:SSD Hell by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      The most important complaint is not how well it works, but all the spyware baked into the OS.

    19. Re:SSD Hell by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      The most important complaint is not how well it works, but all the spyware baked into the OS.

      Anyone complaining about that has simply not been paying attention for 20 years...

      You more or less have to live a digitally disconnected life to avoid it all now, Windows is not going to be the source of your privacy doom...

      If you think so, then you're uninformed about the modern world...

    20. Re:SSD Hell by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      Did I forget to mention that the Windows 10 EULA is the most invasive ever published? That it states that Microsoft has complete access and control of your computer for any reason? That they go so far as to explicitly state in that EULA that they use a key-logger? How about the part where they give themselves permission to examine, alter, copy, or delete any and all of your personal files?

      If you think that the Windows 10 privacy issues are no worse than most other OS's then you seriously need to sit down and read the damn EULA you have apparently agreed to hundreds of times already.

    21. Re:SSD Hell by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Did I forget to mention that the Windows 10 EULA is the most invasive ever published?

      No, but you failed to understand my point or how little privacy you really have...

      If you think that the Windows 10 privacy issues are no worse than most other OS's then you seriously need to sit down and read the damn EULA you have apparently agreed to hundreds of times already.

      Try reading the terms and conditions for your bank account and credit card some time, you might be shocked...

      Unless you pay for everything with cash, don't carry a cell phone, don't use any online e-mail services, don't use any social media, then your privacy has been gone for some time. Windows didn't cause it.

    22. Re:SSD Hell by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I have read them, and they don't compare to the Windows 10 EULA.

    23. Re:SSD Hell by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      Then you didn't read them closely enough...

      You're delusional if you think you had privacy before Windows 10 and only lost it after...

    24. Re:SSD Hell by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      You're delusional if you think that Windows 10 isn't pushing it much farther than before.

  2. Race condition between upgrade dialogs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It looks like you're trying to do some work, would you like some help bricking your computer?

  3. ya know, microsoft... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    if updates weren't forced down our throats, maybe only a small percentage of users would be affected by a bad update before you got your shit together and fixed it....

    WE ARE NOT YOUR BETA TESTERS.

    1. Re:ya know, microsoft... by TimSSG · · Score: 2
      Actually, I am afraid we are now MS beta testers. Does the minimal wage laws apply for beta testers? Tim S.

      if updates weren't forced down our throats, maybe only a small percentage of users would be affected by a bad update before you got your shit together and fixed it....

      WE ARE NOT YOUR BETA TESTERS.

    2. Re:ya know, microsoft... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      WE ARE NOT YOUR BETA TESTERS.

      Apparently, you are. Whining about it and making bold proclamations to the contrary won't change it, or how Microsoft treats you. If you don't like being their beta tester, then maybe you shouldn't use Microsoft products.

    3. Re:ya know, microsoft... by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      Actually, Microsoft gets Windows 10's newer updates out to tens of thousands of beta testers months in advance. They work though the entire development process, with some only receiving updates a month before they go into production, others receiving new features much earlier. Shit happens when you take something that works for 80,000 users and put it on 80,000,000 users's hardware and unique software configurations.

    4. Re:ya know, microsoft... by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 1

      no you pay for beta software now days.

    5. Re:ya know, microsoft... by rastos1 · · Score: 2

      Shit happens when you take something that works for 80,000 users and put it on 80,000,000 users's hardware and unique software configurations.

      You know that. I know that. Everybody here knows that. Microsoft however, does not. Or, more likely, they do not care. All they have to do is to let the user choose what updates to install and when.

    6. Re:ya know, microsoft... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 1

      No, but the sad reality is that you're Microsoft's bitch.

      Bend over.

      And take the broken "updates" whether you like it or not.

      When are you going to stop allowing MS to control your life?

    7. Re:ya know, microsoft... by pkinetics · · Score: 2

      On top of it,the 80k testers are strongly recommended to test in a VM environment, so they aren't even testing on their actual devices. So no wonder things like "hey we changed how video works cause it works fine in VMs" backfires.

    8. Re:ya know, microsoft... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      WE ARE NOT YOUR BETA TESTERS.

      Well then I'm sure you've not run the Anniversary update yet which hasn't been pushed out to anyone who has "defer updates" ticked in their settings.

      You know, that specific setting that lets Windows update know you only want software that has it's shit together? You have ticked that right? Well then what are you complaining about, you're going to receive the Anniversary update without this bug.

    9. Re:ya know, microsoft... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      MS gets so much grief about the forced updates, but what is the better solution for their customers who NEVER update?

      Maybe forced updates a month after live date instead of as soon as they hit the computer?

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    10. Re:ya know, microsoft... by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      They tried that, for the whole history of Windows, and you know what they found out of it? Most users never update. They just ignore the update prompts and leave their computers completely unpatched from the day they buy them.

      If you are a technical person (which most of us are) you can turn off the auto update without much issue, you already know how to do it. Why all this hate, I don't get, just set it up the way you want if you don't want immediate updates.

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    11. Re:ya know, microsoft... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I spent the extra hundred bucks for 10 Pro, so I can at least delay updates.

      One solution for the forced-update problem is for Microsoft to do good QC on updates, which they don't. I know it's a really big deal, but MS could certainly do better.

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  4. Windows 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Windows 10 is the worst OS I've ever used, and I've use Windows ME! Also some of the most unstable Linux distros (Fedora, Debian Sid, Gentoo).

    It's slow, bloated and invades my privacy for no practical gain. The Anniversary Update resulted in a BSOD + reboot loop. One clean install later, and my webcam doesn't work.

    Windows 7 was pretty much perfect. Windows 8 was at least tolerable. Windows 10 is the Worst. OS. Ever.

    1. Re:Windows 10 by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Not to defend the way 10 has been forced down people's throats, or how Microsoft has introduced data mining w/ 10, but I find 10 a lot better than 8. Not so much as 7, though, but I doubt I could run 7 on a Surface.

  5. What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-OS by aliquis · · Score: 1

    ... should really fix:

    EITHER OR:
    1) DON'T REBOOT MY FUCKING COMPUTER WHEN I DON'T WANT TOO! Now you don't even get a time mentioned, and you can't delay it (using their own user shown user-interface at-least), you can't set active hours less for more than 12 hours a day either. Microsoft will reboot your computer whenever the fuck they want too. Such as last night.
    2) FIX THEIR FUCKING OS SO THE WHOLE MACHINE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE REBOOTED FOR EVERY FUCKING UPGRADE!

    Fuck the anti-human dictatorshit idiots at Microsoft.
    Trash by design. But it runs the most games.

  6. Kindle crashing problem? by DiSKiLLeR · · Score: 1

    Right, but does this fix the kindle crashing problem? The one where you plug your kindle over usb into your PC and windows instantly bluescreens....

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  7. I haven't run into this issue either, but ... by King_TJ · · Score: 3, Interesting

    There are definitely quite a few misc. problems and quirks involved with running Windows 10 -- and surely more with the "Anniversary edition" update.

    One odd thing I've noticed is that I run a Surface Pro 4 (Microsoft's OWN hardware, so should be completely optimized for Win 10!), and it seems to occasionally lose contact with my Microsoft branded bluetooth mouse. It doesn't happen *often*, but I'd say if I leave my system running and attached to its dock, and don't come back to it for a couple days, there's a good probability the mouse won't work. Turning the mouse off/on again does nothing. Only real solution I've found is a Windows restart. I think I lose control of the mouse like this once or maybe twice while in the middle of using the computer too, during the middle of the day. So I can't really blame this entirely on a "sleep mode" problem or what-not.

    1. Re:I haven't run into this issue either, but ... by RogueyWon · · Score: 1

      There are also any number of issues with the new taskbar. In particular, the taskbar now has a habit of refusing to go away (even if you click the box to auto-hide it) on top of programs running in borderless-windowed fullscreen mode. Doesn't happen all the time, but seems to trigger and then go away again almost at random for me.

    2. Re:I haven't run into this issue either, but ... by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      I have had this problem before. I also have had a problem with the pen not writing which was also fixed by a windows reboot.

      What I ended up doing was buying a new mouse and pen both of which now work 100% perfectly. Microsoft's hardware lacks a lot in the QC department.

    3. Re:I haven't run into this issue either, but ... by suss · · Score: 1

      I remember something similar to this with serial mice in Windows 95 and you had to manually edit an .ini file to stop it from losing the connection... I wonder if the bugs are related.

    4. Re:I haven't run into this issue either, but ... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I had a problem once with the start screen. I could bring it up and send it away, but Windows wouldn't launch any program no matter what I tried, which was clicking repeatedly on its tile, repeatedly selecting it from the "all apps" list, or typing the executable name in. I had to use the power button on the laptop to shut it down, since it wouldn't let me shut it down normally. Fortunately, that hasn't happened again.

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  8. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by JamesTRexx · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's at times like this that I'm glad I was able to dump Windows many years ago and had at least at home a fun computing environment.

    Too bad I still have to fix stupid stuff on Windows server, Exchange and other proprietary software.

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  9. Baloney by 110010001000 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I'm typing this on my Windows 10 laptop and it is working fi

    1. Re:Baloney by antdude · · Score: 1

      Geez. Samsung Galaxy 7 and Windows 10. :)

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  10. Adios Windows/Microsoft by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Just more confirmation that Windows 7 will be my last windows version, ever. When Windows 7 stops getting security updates/gets crippled by MS update I will go Ubuntu/SteamOS for my desktop and console for my gaming.

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    1. Re:Adios Windows/Microsoft by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 2

      You should disable the Windows Update Service from Windows 7, now. And I am well aware of the security problem that this will cause, but lately the microsoft updates are causing more problems than a virus.

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    2. Re:Adios Windows/Microsoft by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Just more confirmation that Windows 7 will be my last windows version, ever. When Windows 7 stops getting security updates/gets crippled by MS update I will go Ubuntu/SteamOS for my desktop and console for my gaming.

      This is so sad, isn't it? Windows 7 is the most functional and best OS I've seen from MS since the beginning of their OS... OSing. Of course most all good things end with a bang. It's unfortunate I can't use my handgun to shoot software. :(

    3. Re:Adios Windows/Microsoft by Leslie43 · · Score: 1

      It's not because they fixed the bug, it's because they introduce a show stopping new bug every couple weeks that requires a second patch to correct, none of which you can opt out of without causing some sort of issue.

      Yes, they fixed it, but it took a month.
      You might be able to limp along for a month, but some cannot, especially small businesses. Even if you can, what about the next show-stopper or how about one that bricks the computer, it's not like they haven't bricked any machines before (Surface tablets). This whole forced update system is a major accident just waiting to happen. If you think a major virus is bad, just wait.

    4. Re:Adios Windows/Microsoft by Leslie43 · · Score: 1

      The new Win7 update method will end up with the same problems as Win10 has.
      You may not be forced to install them, but the new updates come as a single package, you won't be able to pick and choose anymore. If you get one update, you get them all.

      Also, I don't see it as some huge security loss to disable the updates. It took a month to fix this problem, a virus can spread world-wide in less than 10 minutes. If MS updates is your security blanket you already lost.

  11. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

    If you don't like it, don't use it.

    I don't use it. And when friends or family ask me about it, I tell them "anything but Windows 10." Most can get by with just a tablet, a Chromebook, a Mac, or even Linux. I am currently configuring a laptop for a friend of the family who is just starting college. Guess what he's not getting? Windows 10. Guess what he is getting? Linux.

    All this complaining about Windows 10 is getting really old and tired.

    And so is the crap coming from MS.

  12. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I have games.

    It's ok to dislike something you use. You don't have to like it.

  13. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I used to use the BSDs and Linux distributions but also OS X hack and OS X on a Macbook Pro but the Macbook Pro was trash too (ohnoz! Not that one too! At-least I follow what the GP asked for and haven't bought a new one.)

    However I've bought games for what? $2000?
    If I don't run Windows (or wine) 90+% of them become useless.

  14. The title is too long by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

    It should simply have read "Microsoft Fixes Windows 10". But then I guess they'd have to call it "Windows 7", and Satya Nadella would no longer have a job shafting Microsoft customers.

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  15. Re:maconha é droga? hahahahah by TheDarkMaster · · Score: 1

    I am a native portuguese speaker, and I can tell you I could not understand what happened to the author of the comment. My suspicion is that he is under the influence of drugs or is a example of the "HUEHUEBR" plague.

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  16. Well this explains by kilodelta · · Score: 1

    My system rebooting three times in three days for updates. Way to go Microsoft - fucking shit up.

  17. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Too bad I still have to fix stupid stuff on Windows server, Exchange and other proprietary software.

    You "have to"? I'm assuming this is part of your job. If so, that's not a problem: the whole reason you work is to make money, and part of doing work is doing stuff that's not any fun. I work with Windows some at work too. I don't really care there, because if it crashes or anything, then it's the IT department's problem and I get paid to sit around and not do anything. If you're paid to fix these dumb problems, that's no different than being paid to dig ditches or flip burgers; you'd rather do something else like go to the beach, but you do this job because it gives you money, and presumably fixing Windows problems isn't quite as horrible as digging ditches or flipping burgers or cleaning toilets every day while paying far better to boot.

    Your work computing environment is mostly out of your hands, and not your concern. Your home computing environment is entirely in your hands, and your personal time should be valuable to you, too valuable to waste on bullshit.

  18. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    No one forced you to waste $2k on games which require you to run a horrible OS. That was your own choice. If you don't like the OS, stop using it and sell the games.

  19. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    I don't use it. And when friends or family ask me about it, I tell them "anything but Windows 10."

    Yeah, I do the exact same. I'm just sick of people buying and voluntarily using Win10, and then bitching and complaining about it. It's like going out and buying a brand-new Yugo and then complaining about how unreliable it is. I refuse to coddle people who make poor choices.

    I am currently configuring a laptop for a friend of the family who is just starting college. Guess what he's not getting? Windows 10. Guess what he is getting? Linux.

    Yeah, I recently did this for an older friend of the family who's about 75. He's using Linux Mint 17.3 KDE. He says it "works like a charm". Other than one support call early on, I haven't heard anything back from him, because it just works.

    And so is the crap coming from MS.

    On the contrary, I find it funny, I just get annoyed at the complaints about it. But it's kinda funny to watch people suffer so much and then keep going back for more abuse, and justify it somehow, sorta like Stockholm Syndrome.

  20. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by chipschap · · Score: 1

    If you don't like it, don't use it.

    All this complaining about Windows 10 is getting really old and tired.

    Well, thank you, I don't use it and won't use it.

  21. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Voluntarily and repeatedly using something you really hate, when you have no really good reason for it (such as your livelihood depending on it, so you don't get fired and become homeless), is indicative of a psychological problem IMO, perhaps some kind of addiction.

  22. Microsoft demise? by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

    From my armchair at the old folks home it seems Microsoft has given up whatever advantage they have with desktop computing. All they needed to (continue) doing was provide a stable platform for their office suite and PC games. The growing pains of NT and ME should have been adequate lessons learned for them. It's as if they have no idea where they are headed or who their customers are. Business and consumers are fed up.

    1. Re:Microsoft demise? by chipschap · · Score: 1

      It's as if they have no idea where they are headed or who their customers are.

      I understand your point, but I think MS does know where they're headed and who their customers are, but they don't care very much about them, if at all. That's a different kind of problem, much worse than just lack of direction.

      My surmise is that MS knows their direction: getting everyone, eventually, onto a subscription model. Corporate customers are to a greater or lesser extent there already, but now MS has to round up those pesky consumers who haven't been anything like fully milked for revenue. What money does MS get from them now? For the most part a few dollars when they buy a computer with Windows preinstalled, and maybe some money for Office. Relatively slim pickings.

    2. Re:Microsoft demise? by OffTheLip · · Score: 1

      Or they see Open Source offerings such as LibreOffice and the various, mature Linux distros as a threat. Maybe not for gaming and Outlook, which is why I cited those two niches. Their relevance is not a given; we've seen how Android has been adopted to users who just want to use a device to access the web or create some documents.

    3. Re:Microsoft demise? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Slim pickings maybe, but if they're not careful they will wish they took the slim pickings instead of getting nothing.

      MS is today where IBM was in the late 1970s and early 1980s. A huge IT player, dominating the field and dictating the direction. When IBM decide to scratch an itch, the IT world trembled. Actually, they were even more than MS is today, they pretty much owned the commercial mainframe market, which was back then pretty much all there was in "serious" computing. Sure, there were a few "home computers" like the Apple II or similar projects that got a patronizing nod from IBM. Cute. Really. They think they can make computers. But they cannot haul about data, they can't provide mainframe solutions, WE are the ONLY place you can go if you want REAL computers!

      And they had an attitude that makes MS look tame in comparison, actually. If you think Win10 is trying to force-feed you crap and make you call it chocolate pudding, this is nothing compared to IBM back then. The conditions required for you to be "deemed worthy" to even be allowed to buy one of their mainframes sound ridiculous by today's standard. You had to have an "IBM certified professional" (alternatively you could of course "rent" one from them, essentially forcing a guy into your staff that did, well, nothing, really), every configuration change, no matter how minimal, costed extra (think SAP, just expensive) and whenever IBM didn't think you should deserve their service anymore, they'd simply cut you loose. Your data? Stored at IBM, why, you thought we'd allow YOU to as much as look at our holy machines?

      And so on.

      You might remember how it ended. People were fed up, and eventually fed up enough to look at alternatives. Yes, that transition was painful, but better an end with terror than terror without end.

      Fast forward to today, IBM is still there, and they still have solutions for large data requirements. They're actually pretty good. But today, they're but one of many. And a lot of people are now in a position of decision power who despise them, still back from the days when they acted like they own you, who would sooner filter terabytes of data manually than buy anything from IBM.

      There's a lesson to be learned here: You can piss off your customer, but don't overdo it. They will be looking for alternatives if you push them past their breaking point.

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    4. Re:Microsoft demise? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      With MS customers, "breaking point" seems to literally be "breaking" point. Like, unless you totally break their computer to the point of being unusable, they will use Microsoft shit. Telemetry? No problem. Ads? No problem. Shitty UI? No problem. Forced updates? No problem. Forced reboots? No problem. Stupid app store? No problem. Random lockups when using SSD? No problem. Massive updates that cause bugs all the time? No problem. Regular accidental-on-purpose resets of your privacy settings? No problem. Etc...

    5. Re:Microsoft demise? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Mmmm... not really sure about that, to be honest. I have a few (non-tech) friends who already ask for alternatives because they're fed up with the whole shit. And that's usually the kind of people who only ask me for aid when they can't see their browser window anymore due to 200 "browser bars" and other crap clogging it, i.e. who usually only notice that "something is wrong" when their i7 8000 is running like a Pentium II due to virus load.

      Don't forget that they know that there was a time when it was better, notably Win7. Some already told me to return their machine to the "old" system, they learned that "new=better" isn't always the case. Others have actually started taking an interest in Mint Linux.

      There is movement. Not much yet, mind you, but we're still far from the point where it becomes unbearable for most people. Remember that most don't even know of the things you mention. Telemetry? Unknown. Ads? Not on the desktop. Shitty UI? Like it's ever been good. Forced updates? Well, technically I did that to them before Win10... Forced reboots? They're used to that, Windows has been doing that for a while. App store? Uh... where? I haven't seen it yet. Lockups? Didn't encounter any to be honest. Updates with bugs? So far they have been spared. Resets of privacy settings? They don't notice that.

      And despite all that I notice people asking for ways to get away from MS. I do actually consider this promising.

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  23. Re:s/cummulative/trichobezoar by wbr1 · · Score: 1

    s/cummulative/trichobezoar

    Anyone else?

    I'm sort of thinking about the kind of pachypatch trichobezoar that results when an anxious elephant plucks and nibbles too many of its own nose hairs.

    Of course, under the new model, a discerning elephant can't just selectively incisor the one long, black, thick nose hair that's spiralling out of control. No, now it has become a daring feat of all or nothing, certain to well up elephant tears.

    Here's another option:

    s/cummulative/wallop

    Fear wallop hell.

    Question... Acid, shrooms or salvia?

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  24. Telemetry? by MMC+Monster · · Score: 1

    You would think that with all the telemetry data Microsoft is getting from Windows 10 installations they would have figured this out quite quickly.

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  25. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Excellent! Finally, someone with some sense around here!

  26. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by donaldm · · Score: 1

    If you don't like it, don't use it.

    All this complaining about Windows 10 is getting really old and tired.

    I do agree with you and I personally don't run any Microsoft products. Unfortunately, what you have said has no effect on people who have been effectively locked into using Microsoft products even though there are alternatives. What is even sadder is the fact that most people can't even see or comprehend that they are being screwed over even when they are told.

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  27. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, what you have said has no effect on people who have been effectively locked into using Microsoft products even though there are alternatives.

    See, that's where I have to disagree. I think these people need some "tough love": maybe if they get bashed over the head with the idea that this is largely their own dumb fault, and that their only rational course of action is to stop using MS software as soon as feasible (since MS is not going to suddenly turn into a company that cares about its customers' feelings, and is enabled in their behavior by their monopolistic position which was granted to them by all these people willingly using their software). some of them will finally put out the effort to actually switch to something else, even if it causes them some short-term pain. Coddling them and just agreeing with them about how bad and awful MS is isn't going to change the situation or help them in any way.

    What is even sadder is the fact that most people can't even see or comprehend that they are being screwed over even when they are told.

    No, most can't. But I don't really care about that, as long as a minority finally figures it out, then alternatives will gain more traction, and maybe ISVs will finally start supporting them better. A lot of stuff actually does even support other OSes: a lot of engineering software does run on Linux, for instance, but too many stupid employers still just use Windows because that's the default and that's what their shitty email system runs on and what their dumb MSOffice-using cubicle dwellers use and what their IT departments know. And for these people whining about how their games don't run on Linux, maybe if a lot more of them stopped buying that crap, and wrote letters to these companies telling them they're not buying any more of their games until they make Linux/Mac versions, the game companies would get a clue and start developing for those platforms. There's been some action there with Steam after all, it's not like you can't play *any* commercial game on Linux. The only way there's going to be change is if users demand it.

  28. small numer? wtf? by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    "Microsoft received a small number of reports [...] a small fraction of users [...]"

    F*ck it, these PR-morons never learn. When you have millions of users, no number is small, and no fraction is small, and when you say it is, you make yourself look like an idiot. And if you don't know that, then it's more than just the looks.

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  29. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    I just tell people that I don't do Windows, since nobody pays me to fix my own computer all the time. Their immediate assumption is that I use a Mac, which is partially true - typing on one now. When my mother & nieces needed computers, I bought them Macbook Airs. Life is too short to waste on never ending MS support.

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  30. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by flyingfsck · · Score: 1

    'Stockholm Syndrome' - good one. I like to call it 'VW Beetle Syndrome'. A beetle engendered a feeling of empathy. The little steam engine that could. Some people just loved to work on the goddamn things every weekend.

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  31. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by JamesTRexx · · Score: 1

    FYI, the work environment IS my concern because right now I'm the only one with enough experience and skill to take care of problems at the clients.

    And I actually quit part ownership of the company because the stress of having to deal with the increased stupidity of marketing companies like Microsoft all day and night got to me.
    Now I just help out with the difficult stuff as long as the guys don't know what to do and as for the rest, *shrugs* I stopped caring about life so who cares what happens next.

    I'm writing now and despite it not bringing in any money I feel better than ever.

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  32. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I hate their enforced restarts and need it for games. Now fuck off.

  33. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming this is part of your job. If so, that's not a problem: the whole reason you work is to make money, and part of doing work is doing stuff that's not any fun.

    That doesn't mean either GP or his employer wants to have more crap to wade through. Intelligent companies spend some money on making sure people can do their jobs, and aren't fond of suppliers that make life difficult for their employees.

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  34. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    You don't *need* to play games, you *choose* to play games. Apparently, you're willing to live with all the negatives that come with Windows 10 in order to play your precious games. So fuck off yourself and enjoy your enforced restarts in the middle of your games.

  35. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    You're assuming here that management is smart enough to figure this out and find the best suppliers. They aren't. If they were, HP Enterprise (formerly EDS) would not be in business.

  36. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by david_thornley · · Score: 1

    Some management is smart enough. I've seen it. It's been over fifteen years since my faith in the ineptness of C-level management was shaken. I've had good middle managers. Pity about the rest....

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  37. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I don't need to have a computer at all.

    Yes, of course. And Microsoft still suck for demanding it you idiot.

  38. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

    You can complain about them all you want, but you're the fucking idiot for continuing to use their crap. Have fun with that. I'll be laughing at you and your misery, and I hope it drives you insane.

  39. Re:What the assholes at Microsoft with their toy-O by aliquis · · Score: 1

    I assume it can be fixed out of the regular user-interface if one really want it.

    I doubt companies HAVE to deal with this shit for machines which absolutely can't have it.

    These seem pretty bad since they kinda disable it, I know know if anything have changed with Anniversary update (previously I could at-least pick a date and time when I wanted to upgrade - I'm not allowed to any longer.)
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/go...

    Seem like when a restart has been scheduled one can go in and change Restart options to a different day now too under update status. I don't seem to be able to have that the default though.

    No idea if this old tips work:
    http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/d...
    http://answers.microsoft.com/e...
    http://tweaks.com/windows/6573...

    I'm not sure the later actually work, then again considering the number of hits and that it should be possibly somehow for some people to actually refuse it ...

    Guess if nothing else one could block the network connections to Microsoft for checking for updates ..