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Colin Powell's Private Email Account Has Been Hacked (theverge.com)

According to The New York Times, Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has been hacked and a password-protected archive of his personal emails has been published by DC Leaks. The Verge reports: DC Leaks is the same site that first published emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee, which many took as an explicit effort to influence the U.S. election process. Many experts in the U.S. intelligence apparatus have attributed that attack to the Russian government, although no public attribution has been made. Thus far, there's no evidence tying Powell's hack to Russia, and similar hacks have been carried out by mischievous teens without government affiliation. The immediate result of the hack has been political fallout for Powell himself. Last night, BuzzFeed News reported on an email in which Powell called Republican nominee Donald Trump a "national disgrace," and another in which he said the candidate was "in the process of destroying himself."

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  1. Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Spy+Handler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Even though he was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama.

    This does not bode well.

    1. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by bettodavis · · Score: 1

      I doesn't seem that weird to me.

      People can vote for people or for parties. You can choose not to vote for someone just because of the clique they hang with too.

    2. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Spy+Handler · · Score: 2

      I didn't say this was weird, I said it does not bode well [for Democrats].

      The forces that lifted Obama to the Presidency do not seem to be present for Hillary.

    3. Re: Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Being a token white woman isn't as flashy as a token black person.

    4. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by amicusNYCL · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They are two completely different people. The things that made people want to vote for Obama aren't necessarily present in Hillary, and the reasons why people don't want to vote for Hillary weren't necessarily a factor for Obama. Hillary has a lot more baggage than Obama ever did.

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    5. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by unixisc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Even though he was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama.

      This does not bode well.

      One thing that's never made sense to me was his claim of being a Republican. He had very few Republican positions, and as Secretary of State, he was one of the most Left Wing members of the administration. The reason Iraq (and Afghanistan) went to hell in a handbasket was his influence - the idea of making nation-building a part of the mission was his idea, not just W's. Also, the Valerie Plame leaks - which Scooter Libby was convicted for - was the doings of his deputy Dick Armitage, who now supports HRC. All the things that Libby was accused of - endangering a CIA desk agent - was something that Armitage actually did, and for which paid NO price!

      It's funny how Hilary's minions (to steal Powell's phrase) have totally pissed off Powell from being a never-Trumper to a Hilary-neither voter. Sit at home, Colin!

    6. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even though he was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama.

      This does not bode well.

      Colin Powell can endorse Jimmie Johnson for all it matters, it's not like he's going to win the Sprint Cup either.

    7. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think people may agree or disagree with Obama on the politics but he doesn't appear to be a POS or a corrupt person. Clinton on the other hand...

    8. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually, what he specifically said is "I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect". He then refers to her age, her ambition, and her inflexibility.

      I feel the same way as Powell does. I would rather not have to vote for her - but the Republican Party left me with no choice.

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    9. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      Obama really had virtually no history. He never really did anything special in the Senate. It seems that more and more having actually worked in Washington is not a good thing to brag about on the campaign trail.

    10. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by quantaman · · Score: 0

      Even though he was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama.

      This does not bode well.

      One thing that's never made sense to me was his claim of being a Republican. He had very few Republican positions, and as Secretary of State, he was one of the most Left Wing members of the administration. The reason Iraq (and Afghanistan) went to hell in a handbasket was his influence - the idea of making nation-building a part of the mission was his idea, not just W's.

      This is a novel strategy. How do you deal with the biggest US military disaster since Vietnam? Blame it on the people who opposed it!

      If I recall that's the same strategy that was used for Vietnam as well.

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    11. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by AJWM · · Score: 1

      Most recent Presidents (Carter, Reagan, Bill Clinton, GW Bush) had a background as a state Governor before becoming President. Makes sense, that's an executive position rather than a legislative one, just like the presidency.

      While Obama was a less-than-one-term US senator when elected President, he was running against McCain who had 3+ terms as a senator and two as a representative, which seems to have put McCain at a disadvantage. Second time around, Romney had been a Governor, but Obama had the incumbent advantage and trounced him in the Electoral College vote although the popular vote was much closer.

      So yeah, agree with your point that having actually worked in Washington is generally not a thing that's going to help on the campaign trail. Disadvantage Clinton there with 1.5 terms as Senator and her, um, tainted stint as Obama's Secretary of State, but while Trump has an executive background, it's been in the private sector, not as a governor.

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    12. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by AJWM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Nonsense, you've got all kinds of choice: Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Darrell Castle, write in somebody else, or just leave that space on the ballot blank.

      People who insist on holding their nose and voting for whichever of the two major party candidates they dislike least because they don't want to "waste their vote" are part of the problem -- and are wasting their votes.

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    13. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      This is the most negative campaign I have ever observed. Nothing compares. The vast majority seem to be voting against a candidate instead of for one. It's reaching hysterical proportions as we get closer to November.

    14. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by dbIII · · Score: 1

      He was political roadkill the second he fell on his sword for Bush with the obvious WMD lies to the U.N.
      It's a pity really since he's a better person than most in Washington from both parties, but as it stands his endorsement or not will mean exactly zero for the rest of his life.

    15. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by AmiMoJo · · Score: 0

      Normally you would have a point, but this time the stakes are too high to risk getting the worst candidate. You are better off voting for someone you can live with just to make sure Trump loses.

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    16. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I disagree. In most of the previous recent elections, there was an okay candidate and a bad candidate. This time, there are two very bad candidates. Trump is probably slightly less bad in practice, because he has fewer Washington connections and most of Congress hates him, so he'll have worse policies but less chance of getting them through. Clinton has marginally less bad policies, but is sufficiently familiar with the Washington machine that she'll probably pass a lot of them.

      W wouldn't have been so bad if he hadn't been a Bush. If he'd not had the family connections with experience to help get things done, he'd probably have been an ineffectual and unmemorable president.

      Given that it's going to be bad whoever wins, you may as well vote for someone you actually want to win, in the hope that next time they'll seem electable enough that people will vote for them thinking that they might actually stand a chance.

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    17. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      I don't think his attitude on the WMD lie story has been well understood. He must have known perfectly well all the public reasons for going to war were just an alibi. The painful thing was that even the alibi didn't hold up which damaged him. I can appreciate Powell as a person but politically he hasn't much to offer.

    18. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If Trump gets in it will result in a lurch to the right, and the GOP will support the worst if his polices. He will screw things up internationally too.

      Hilary may not be great, but the potential for catastrophe is much lower.

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    19. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      Not necessarily. The right wing of the GOP might support him, though many of them hate him for other reasons (especially the Christian Right), but the moderates and the democrats won't. He doesn't have the diplomatic skills to persuade people who don't like him to go along with his policies. The rest of the world pretty much hates you anyway, so he can't make things much worse there.

      A few commentators have argued that Trump getting in would be better for the left, because it's likely to result in a backlash from the electorate and a swing back to an actual left-wing candidate, rather than a slightly-less-right candidate like Hilary next time around. In contrast, a successful Clinton presidency would just provide more support for the Democrat's slide to the right.

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    20. Re: Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's what the bushes do: they get their loyalists to destroy their reputations for them.

    21. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Interesting theory, but it's still one hell of a risk. What's the absolute worst that could happen under Clinton?

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    22. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      I would suggest that Trump's closest parallels abroad would be Berlusconi and Putin. Neither caused a backlash lurch to the left, and both were/are able to abuse their positions to stay in power - it took some significant scandals to get Berlusconi out of power, and Putin, of course, still is in power.

      Trump is a populist demagogue, the history with these people is not positive - they remain popular with a large enough subset of the population, and they remain destructive.

      Trump, if elected, will serve eight years and probably find a way to remain in a position of power that outlasts the presidency, something we've never seen in the US before. Clinton will serve four years and be defeated by what's more likely to be a credible, sane, Republican in 2020. I'd prefer the latter, though I don't like either scenario.

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    23. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Not necessarily. The right wing of the GOP might support him, though many of them hate him for other reasons (especially the Christian Right), but the moderates and the democrats won't. He doesn't have the diplomatic skills to persuade people who don't like him to go along with his policies. The rest of the world pretty much hates you anyway, so he can't make things much worse there.

      A few commentators have argued that Trump getting in would be better for the left, because it's likely to result in a backlash from the electorate and a swing back to an actual left-wing candidate, rather than a slightly-less-right candidate like Hilary next time around. In contrast, a successful Clinton presidency would just provide more support for the Democrat's slide to the right.

      Trump's opposition in the party has come not from the Christian Right or any Right, but from the Liberal Establishment types within the party. People like the Bushes, Powell, McCain, Graham, Whitman, Fiorina and so on. Like if you look at the 16 guys who opposed him, who were the ones who happily went on to support him? Guys like Huckabee, Carson, Santorum, Walker and from the moderates, Christie & Rubio. The ones who opposed him - Bush, Graham, Kasich, Fiorina - none of them Right Wing. Cruz was somewhat unique - Trump actually played that hand badly by tweeting about Heidi Cruz, as well as that conspiracy about Rafael Cruz being associated w/ Lee Harvey Oswald, thereby permanently pissing him off. Otherwise, Cruz too would have been an enthusiastic Trump supporter by now, in the same vein as Huckabee or Carson.

      The people who have left Trump - on the Left, Meg Whitman, Christie Todd Whitman, Lindsay Graham, Jeff Flake, Kelly Ayotte - and on the Right, a bunch of media establishment types, like George Will, Jonah Goldberg, Charles Krauthammer, Brit Hume, Steve Hayes and so on. But on the Christian Right, you'd expect them to have found their guys in Cruz, Walker, Huckabee, Santorum or even Rubio. But guys like Falwell (Jr) have happily endorsed Trump, pointing out the wholesome family he has - none of his kids do the type of stuff he was infamous for. Even the Duck Dynasty guy who initially was for Cruz followed his son's lead in embracing Trump, once the convention was over.

    24. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      There is an excellent discussion on how to choose between Clinton and Trump on here http://scotthorton.org/intervi... . Both Horton and Gitlin think they're two bad choices but their conclusions are opposite. Their interpretation of what is the least evil choice is different. For Horton the belligerence of the mainstream establishment, and certainly of its right wing to which Clinton belongs, is the most pressing problem, for Gitlin the erratic and unstable behavior of Trump is the biggest danger.

    25. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Given her track record: An increase in corporate power, more wars, and a big step up in the deployment of the surveillance state, coupled with a greater deduction in credibility for the left making it even harder to undo.

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    26. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by bfpierce · · Score: 1

      That's because by and large Obama has failed many of the forces that lifted him to the presidency.

    27. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by bfpierce · · Score: 1

      Who gets elected here isn't really the big problem on this planet. The EU imploding is an even worse one nobody seems to want to talk about.

      Even when the US swings Nationalist, we've never gotten to Europe level of hatred.

    28. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by FrankHaynes · · Score: 1

      Those "fringe" candidates don't have the broad infrastructure of local and state party operatives the way the Democrats and Republicans do, so they would have essentially no base on which to govern. They need to start from the ground up and build popular support before reaching for the top.

      The bigger problem with Trump is not Trump himself, but the goons he would hire to run the country: imagine Vinny for Treasury secretary, Moose for Defense, and Rocco for Homeland Security. With all the corruption and favoritism that would bring. Be afraid. BE VERY AFRAID!!

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    29. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Nation building fails when the stabilising situation that the previous president achieved by a surge in troops and allying with ones former Sunni ennemies is tossed away by an administration that cuts and runs

      That would be the Bush administration, that failed to negotiate a status of forces agreement so decided to withdraw from Iraq, right?

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    30. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      Obama really had virtually no history. He never really did anything special in the Senate. It seems that more and more having actually worked in Washington is not a good thing to brag about on the campaign trail.

      He had charisma and ran on a platform of hope. McCain, who I think is a good man (and I voted for him in 2008) sadly was forced to run on a doom and gloom campaign propelled from the ground up by people who were hell bent in believing Obama was a crypto-muslim homosexual anti-crist funded by illegal mexicans from China.

      Obama's win in 2012 was also based on his charisma, and the GOP constituency, rather than learning its lessons, harked back into more doom and gloom that ended up turning off a whole bunch of people. For an example of the idiotic doom and gloom pandered by the GOP during Obama's first presidency, I refer to you to Chuck Norri's 1000 years of darkness warning (seriously, I can't make this shit up):

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ud3pK5Wa90

      I'm not having a hard-on on Obama. He has committed some serious blunders. And yet, the combination of his charisma and message are/were more palatable than the ZOMG ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE monkey-flinging shitshow that the GOP constituency has embarrassed the country with for the last 8 years.

      Obama could have had as much more political baggage as Clinton and chances are he would have still won the 2008 and 2012 elections simply by not being what his opposition was: a horde of shit-flinging monkeys pandering doom-and-gloom piss kool-aid and Orwellian 2 Minute Hate Sessions to the wretches who must find an external enemy to blame for their personal and social shortcomings.

      But here we are now, having to select two detestables: Hillary or Trump. One way or another this country, and the imbecilic proles in it, will get the leader it deserves.

    31. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Hell of a show though.

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    32. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the absolute worst that could happen under Clinton?

      Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
      Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes!
      The dead rising from the grave!
      Human sacrifice! Dogs and cats living together! Mass hysteria!

    33. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      You left out the best part: Colin Powell talking about Bill dicking bimbos.

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    34. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 2

      Nonsense, you've got all kinds of choice: Gary Johnson, Jill Stein, Darrell Castle, write in somebody else, or just leave that space on the ballot blank.

      People who insist on holding their nose and voting for whichever of the two major party candidates they dislike least because they don't want to "waste their vote" are part of the problem -- and are wasting their votes.

      Under normal circumstances I would have agreed (and I have had voted for 3rd party candidates in the past.) But not now.

      See, I'm a naturalized US citizen that looks Mexican and who has had to face racism in more than one occasion, married to a permanent resident of Japanese origin, with a Muslim brother-in-law and many friends who are either Muslim or Muslim-looking as per the logic of angry wretches.

      And I'm staring at a vulgarian reincarnation of George Wallace promising religious tests, who claims an entire ethnic group is majoritarily composed of rapists and murders, who claims a US born judge is unable to perform his duties because of his ethnic background, and who was the king of birthers, going against the first African-American president of the US by attacking his very birth right.

      That political position you are making? Good for you. But because of who am I, and because of who people I care for are, it is something I cannot afford.

      No matter what, this is a crap-shot, an election of detestables. One way or another, the United States, by virtue (or lack thereof) of its constituency, it will get the leader it deserves. And that is a very sad statement of fact.

    35. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I disagree with your assessment of Cruz. Cruz has proven he cannot work with anyone, and will only ever work with Cruz. Reagan said "My 80% ally is not my 20% enemy." Cruz seems to think his 80% ally is his 100% sworn enemy.

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    36. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Do you really think that the increase in corporate power would be worse than under Trump? And deduction of credibility, worse than what Trump will do to your government and country? Even by politician standards, the guy lies a lot. Pretending to be your own press secretary is just childish.

      More wars... Well, yes, Trump is against that, but his plan seems to be to turn the military-industrial complex inwards and use it to start mass deportations.

      Your worst fears pale in comparison to Trump's announced policies.

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    37. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Scroatzilla · · Score: 1
    38. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      who claims an entire ethnic group is majoritarily composed of rapists and murders

      Trump never did that. He said a majority of the illegal immigrants from Mexico were rapists and murderers. Now, that's still bigoted and bad, but he didn't say that Hispanics were rapists and murderers.

    39. Re: Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Let's stand for God and country, and make sure God blesses us in the polls"

      LOLLOLOL I'm done. Some people are just morons man. All there is to it.

    40. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by unixisc · · Score: 1

      But at the start of the campaign, Cruz was getting along fine w/ Trump. Yeah, they'd probably have crossed swords over Ivanka's plan to get childcare subsidized by the government, or on normalized relations w/ Cuba. But they are on the same side on many things - Iran, the wall, mass deportations... Cruz would probably have preferred Trump, especially w/ the support of guys like Jeff Sessions and Mike Pence. In his case, it's Trump who spoiled it by getting needlessly personal

    41. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More wars... Well, yes, Trump is against that, but his plan seems to be to turn the military-industrial complex inwards and use it to start mass deportations.

      Your worst fears pale in comparison to Trump's announced policies.

      No, what's worse is that Trump says he is against war, but somehow, somehow, wants us to believe he's the Supreme General who has all the problems solved, thus he's his own battlefield commander as well, and he being a tough guy, will solve our war problems for us.

    42. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      who claims an entire ethnic group is majoritarily composed of rapists and murders

      Trump never did that. He said a majority of the illegal immigrants from Mexico were rapists and murderers. Now, that's still bigoted and bad, but he didn't say that Hispanics were rapists and murderers.

      Claiming that a majority of a group (illegal Mexicans) are made of rapists and murderers is not (in)morally different from claiming that they all are as a group (since Mexico is not sending their best).

      Split hairs as much as you want, that was a clear dog whistle since people who listen to that crap tend not to make any differentiation between an illegal immigrant or a US national of Hispanic background (be it a naturalized citizen like me or someone with roots stretching back 300 years.

      Cuban, Mexican, Puerto Rican, what's the difference, they are all the same shit. I know that because I've seen it and hear it in the flesh. Let me show you a little pice of this reality. I know that this is purely an anecdotal piece, but it is not some random shit, but something very common that, sadly, I've seen way too many times: https://twitter.com/luisespinal/status/756649054344474624

    43. Re:Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillary by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      The choice is usually "business as usual vs. business as usual", excepting a few issues that candidates (or really, parties) use to differentiate themselves. Two crappy choices, but equally crappy. Now with Trump it's more like "business as usual vs. total nation-destroying shitshow". There's still no good choice, but the stakes are higher than ever before.
      I'll be voting for the first time ever this year, after having been eligible for a decade. Hillary didn't get me to vote. Ted Cruz wouldn't have got me to vote. Trump is getting me to vote... for whoever can win, that isn't him. This is the reason why I think polls are particularly useless in this election. Many of the people who vote this year aren't going to be the "likely voters" that get tracked in the polls.

  2. They're boring in a good way by chispito · · Score: 0

    All his comments look relatively restrained and not particularly "juicy," but that never stopped a good news story before.

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    1. Re:They're boring in a good way by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 5, Informative

      He refers to Hillary as "unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home." That didn't bore me at all!

    2. Re:They're boring in a good way by bettodavis · · Score: 1

      Yep, that's pretty good tabloid headline material.

    3. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Pictures! We want pictures!

    4. Re: They're boring in a good way by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      No, you really don't want pictures.

      Powell is a straight-up kind of guy; what you see is what you get with him. He may not be particularly fond of Trump, but I doubt he could ever force himself to vote for Hillary.

    5. Re:They're boring in a good way by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      All his comments look relatively restrained and not particularly "juicy," but that never stopped a good news story before.

      He refers to Hillary as "unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home." That didn't bore me at all!

      chispito said "juicy" not "what everybody already suspected/knew".

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    6. Re: They're boring in a good way by Boronx · · Score: 0

      And his UN presentation on Iraqi WMDs was a steaming pile of horse shit.

    7. Re: They're boring in a good way by amicusNYCL · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I would be comfortable with Powell in charge. He always preferred diplomacy over a military solution, and he was not in favor of any military action that didn't serve the interests of the US. We could do a lot worse than that.

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    8. Re:They're boring in a good way by dbreeze · · Score: 4, Interesting

      That's more than just tabloid material. It's indicative of the type of characters making decisions and taking actions on behalf of you and me. Guess who gets to pay the bill and clean up the mess when these types are done feeding their egos and wallets?

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    9. Re: They're boring in a good way by unixisc · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it was wrong intelligence. Or else, why did UK, run by a Left wing government run by Tony Blair, back that? They could easily have told the US that Iraq had nothing, and that would have worked, but everybody's intelligence agencies seemed to suggest that Saddam had chemical and/or biological weapons

    10. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was an idiot who allowed himself to be deceived and in turn helped deceive others about Iraq. He didnt have the balls to correct his mistake either and followed along meekly.

      I would rather have Hillary than him, and I dont like her either.

      heh captcha is appropriate, 'despise'

    11. Re: They're boring in a good way by dbreeze · · Score: 1

      You may want to read some more of his emails. He's just another elitist poo-pooing the concerns and desires of the common people.

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    12. Re: They're boring in a good way by Boronx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Did you watch it? His best evidence was a satellite picture of trucks leaving a building. He had no evidence, and he presented no evidence. To his credit, he at least didn't try to show any fake evidence. To his everlasting shame, he did make it sound like the evidence was damning. Your horse shit is just more on the pile.

    13. Re:They're boring in a good way by chispito · · Score: 1

      He refers to Hillary as "unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still dicking bimbos at home." That didn't bore me at all!

      Really? For a candid, off the record appraisal of Hillary Clinton, by a Republican-aligned former official, that doesn't seem tame?

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    14. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      To be fair, what evidence we do have suggests that intelligence services genuinely believed that at the time. They were wrong, but it was an honest mistake on their part.

      Saddam himself went far out of his way to make it look as if he had the weapons. It was his way of discouraging conflict - not only from the US, but also from the Kurds, the Iranians, and every other local faction that hated his guts (which was most of them). In the end it backfired spectacularly, but it might still have been his best chance for hanging on to power.

    15. Re: They're boring in a good way by MobyDisk · · Score: 4, Informative

      You asked "why?"

      why did UK, run by a Left wing government run by Tony Blair, back that?

      1. Because warhawks are warhawks, and allies are allies, regardless of party affiliation. After 9/11, Europe sympathized with the US.

      everybody's intelligence agencies seemed to suggest that Saddam had chemical and/or biological weapons

      2. Actually, the intelligence agencies didn't suggest this. The politicians claimed that the intelligence agencies said this, but they really didn't. The agencies don't really speak publicly, they speak through the elected officials that they report to. We now know that what they told the president and prime minister isn't the same as what the president and prime minister said publicly.

      For example: We now know that for example, at the time that George W. Bush gave a speech about the supposed "yellow cake uranium," that he knew it was falsified evidence but proceeded with the speech anyway. The UK did the same thing, leading up to the invasion, asking BBC reporters to basically make-up phony facts.

      If you look back at the evidence, it was clear that the evidence was being used to justify an already decided-upon conclusion. For example: The UK and US cited a shipment of aluminum tubes as evidence that Saddam Hussein was developing nuclear weapons. It turns out that the tubes were used for the much more mundane purpose of rockets. If you saw an aluminum tube that could be used for rockets or nuclear weapons, and you knew the country was developing rockets, why would you assert that these tubes are evidence of nuclear weapons? Certainly, it is possible. But they didn't present it as "well, it was probably used for rockets, but maybe it is for nukes (shrug)." It was presented as "OMG This is proof that they are developing nukes!" A lie of omission is still a lie.

      You asked "Why?" It is important to understand why. It is because well-intentioned people can sometimes lie to support what they believe is right. The populus and the media in particular, must be vigilant against such things. The New York times, has since, apologized for being the white house's mouthpiece.

    16. Re: They're boring in a good way by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Europe's 9/11 sympathies for the US expired once Operation Enduring Freedom was complete, and Hamid Karzai was installed as Afghanistan's president. In that atmosphere, Tony Blair too could have taken an anti-US position, particularly given that it was a Conservative administration in DC.

    17. Re: They're boring in a good way by unixisc · · Score: 2

      That's exactly what I was arguing. Saddam wanted to scare particularly Iran by making them believe that he had WMDs. While the Iranians probably knew that he was bluffing, they also played very smartly in letting the US overthrow him, knowing that any democratic replacement of that regime - like happened in Kabul - would result in the Shi'ites coming to power, and the Iranians getting a Shi'ite crescent by default.

    18. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      He was an idiot who allowed himself to be deceived and in turn helped deceive others about Iraq. He didnt have the balls to correct his mistake either and followed along meekly.

      I would rather have Hillary than him, and I dont like her either.

      heh captcha is appropriate, 'despise'

      Just a quick reminder, senator Hillary Clinton voted in favor of the Iraq invasion. And voted for the Patriot Act and later for its expansion.

    19. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Arguably, you just described every politician ever.

    20. Re: They're boring in a good way by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, it was wrong intelligence. Or else, why did UK, run by a Left wing government run by Tony Blair, back that? They could easily have told the US that Iraq had nothing, and that would have worked, but everybody's intelligence agencies seemed to suggest that Saddam had chemical and/or biological weapons

      Read the damned Downing Street Memos
      The policy is to invade, and the intel is being fixed around the policy
      That's 2002. Seriously, brownnosing Bush won't help change the war crimes committed in our name.

    21. Re: They're boring in a good way by quantaman · · Score: 1

      No, it was wrong intelligence. Or else, why did UK, run by a Left wing government run by Tony Blair, back that? They could easily have told the US that Iraq had nothing, and that would have worked, but everybody's intelligence agencies seemed to suggest that Saddam had chemical and/or biological weapons

      Because Blair had already agreed to go along with whatever Bush did.

      Sure, everybody thought Saddam had WMDs, but none of the intelligence agencies were certain and they didn't believe he was a threat.

      I don't know how dubious Powell was of the evidence at the time, but the intelligence agents who produced it were very dubious. Powell gave the presentation he did because it was his job to push the administrations agenda and the administration really wanted war.

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    22. Re: They're boring in a good way by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Quit confusing the issue with facts.

    23. Re: They're boring in a good way by amicusNYCL · · Score: 0

      Colin Powell might be a lot of things, but I don't think an idiot is one of them.

      I would rather have Hillary than him, and I dont like her either.

      As far as I am concerned, a vote for Hillary is a vote for corruption and the political status quo. I can't do it, not against any candidate (I won't even vote for her to keep Trump out, that's how much distaste I have for her and what she represents). Powell would make a far superior president than either of them. He would get more respect in his diplomacy from foreign leaders than either of them could ever hope for. He would also take the job seriously as a public servant and make decisions that he genuinely thought would benefit everyone, which again is something that I think neither Hillary nor Trump are capable of. You're welcome to read his books and read about the generals that mentored him to see what kind of guy he is and who helped shape him. My opinion is that Powell represents the best things about the Republican party, he's the kind of person that other Republicans should aspire to be like. In fact he represents some of the best things about Americans in general.

      He didnt have the balls to correct his mistake either and followed along meekly.

      Saying that he serves at the pleasure of the president is exactly what you would expect a respectful member of the cabinet to say.

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    24. Re: They're boring in a good way by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Except for that "Using curveball to make outrageous claims in order to murder 1 million+ innocent Iraqis" thing. While knowing Curveball was a fraud.

    25. Re: They're boring in a good way by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      No one in Germany thought so, and they actually HAD curveball and said he was both unreliable and most likely a fraud
      Meanwhile, Blix and Ritter BOTH told us the stories were a lie.
      Powell, like any apparatchnik, protected the boss and lied.

    26. Re: They're boring in a good way by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I would expect and hope that anyone elected to be president is someone that we would refer to as an elite American. Colin Powell would be one of them, yes. I don't want a plumber or electrician or carpenter getting thrust into a job like that, no disrespect meant to those professions. I consider myself to be unqualified as well.

      Powell is a 4 star army general (there was pressure by the public and Congress to award him a fifth star, the sixth person who would hold the modern rank, but Clinton's team shut it down in case he decided to run against them), he was the chairman of the Joint Chiefs under Bush 41 and Clinton (and, as the most senior member of the military, counseled diplomacy before force), he was the National Security Advisor to Reagan and the Secretary of State to Bush 43. He is experienced in public service. He is well-respected by members of both major parties as well as other world leaders. If he doesn't understand all of Joe The Plumber's concerns then maybe he can be excused for that, I don't think that Joe The Plumber understands all of a 4 star general's concerns either. But presidents have advisors.

      The president *should* be considered elite, it is a uniquely elite office to hold. And, just like the generals who mentored Powell, he was in a position where he had the concerns of his soldiers (and, at times all military personnel) on his mind. He's an experienced leader, even if it's different to lead civilians instead of soldiers. He's also the kind of person who can learn from his mistakes, which is yet another quality that I have yet to see demonstrated by either Trump or Hillary. Neither candidate will even admit what mistakes they've made, let alone try to take credit for and learn from them. All they do is deny and shift blame. The only problem is that Powell is 79, so we're not going to see him become president. He would have made a good one though.

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    27. Re: They're boring in a good way by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I don't think he knew anything was a fraud. In fact, I also think that Bush didn't even know the intelligence was wrong (more accurately: Bush was not told that he was being lied to and didn't bother to try to find out by other means). If you have statements made by either of them to that affect I would be interested though. I think that Cheney was the architect of the entire thing. Cui Bono, and all that. Cheney got to make a lot of money while Bush and Powell looked bad.

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    28. Re: They're boring in a good way by Gussington · · Score: 1

      No, it was wrong intelligence. Or else, why did UK, run by a Left wing government run by Tony Blair, back that?

      Are you seriously asking that question?
      Tony Blair has already answered that himself. He had a man crush on the American Cowboy and blindly bought into his bullshit.
      The intelligence was always flakey, but weak minds were easily led.

    29. Re: They're boring in a good way by quantaman · · Score: 2

      No one in Germany thought so, and they actually HAD curveball and said he was both unreliable and most likely a fraud
      Meanwhile, Blix and Ritter BOTH told us the stories were a lie.
      Powell, like any apparatchnik, protected the boss and lied.

      They knew individual parts of the puzzle were a lie, they may not have realized the conclusion was also wrong.

      Saddam having an active WMD program (at least wrt chemical weapons) made a lot of sense. He'd used them before to protect himself from Iran and suppress internal dissident. He even hinted that he did have WMDs since he wanted to scare away the Iranians.

      My opinion at the time was three things.
      1) Saddam probably had a WMD program.
      2) Saddam was content to stay in Iraq and was not an imminent threat.
      3) The desire to invade Iraq had very little to do WMDs or an immediate terrorism threat and was more a desire to remake the middle east.

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    30. Re: They're boring in a good way by shanen · · Score: 1

      I am unable to understand how Powell can still identify himself as a member of today's so-called Republican Party. How can Con Man Donald pretend to lead the party originally led by Honest Abe? Even more distance between the pragmatic governing GOP of Teddy and Ike and the absolute obstructionists claiming the label today. As proven again by his email, Powell is pretty realistic, and yet he evidently cannot accept the reality that it's just a brand hijack and his principles have no place in that party.

      Oh, and by the way, no way he could have gotten their nomination, but if he had crossed over to the Democratic side, I think he could have beaten Hillary for the Democratic nomination. He obviously doesn't want the job.

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    31. Re: They're boring in a good way by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Not just wrong but it turned out a PR company was paid a LOT to "fix it up".
      It was a downright Soviet way to massage information and something to make us all hang our heads in shame.

    32. Re: They're boring in a good way by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Or else, why did UK, run by a Left wing government run by Tony Blair, back that?

      There was an inquiry in the UK into that which published it's findings just a few months ago. It appears that the only reason was to support what Bush was doing whether it was based on truth or not.

    33. Re: They're boring in a good way by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      He lied to the UN about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction. His presentation is the image always used to illustrate the deception, especially that notorious sketch of an extremely dubious mobile chemical weapons facility.

      At the very least, he lacks international credibility.

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    34. Re: They're boring in a good way by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      Blair wanted a legacy and a nice easy victory to his name. Always makes you seem more statesman like after you liberated some dictatorship. Instead he gets to go down in history as a war criminal.

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    35. Re: They're boring in a good way by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Sorry to burst the bubble but it was all very clear at the time and required shitloads of PR and lies to try to make it less clear.
      Saddam was broke and had killed off the weapons programs and in some cases literally killed off the people running them.
      The intelligence agencies knew this. Some people quit their intelligence jobs and said so.

    36. Re: They're boring in a good way by dbIII · · Score: 1

      I also think that Bush didn't even know the intelligence was wrong (more accurately: Bush was not told that he was being lied to and didn't bother to try to find out by other means)

      That's some mighty huge wishful thinking there Tex.

      I think that Cheney was the architect of the entire thing

      As more information comes to light every day it's looking less and less that Bush was some poor sap dragged around by a guy in a position that typically has very little power but that Bush did what he did for his own reasons and needs to take responsibility for his own actions. Cheney certainly said a lot, but without the President on their side a VP can't do much at all.
      The axis of evil and invading Iraq looks like it was 100% Bush with little or no reference to reality. Bush said Saddam was evil and Bush told those close to him that George W. Bush was God's agent on Earth and had to deal with him. Deluded or using it as an excuse to delude other doesn't really matter - the result was the same when you take the line that anything is allowed when fighting pure evil - torture, invading the wrong country, anything.

      He knew.
      He even went to far as to order others to "find intelligence", which of all things a PR firm provided, to give him an excuse for what he had already decided to do.

    37. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tony Blair is right-wing. Are all USAians as politically inept as you?

    38. Re:They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not really. How about "Bill dicking bimbos"?

    39. Re: They're boring in a good way by unixisc · · Score: 1

      The former Prime Minister of UK's Labour Party is Right Wing? Does London have the same availability of pot as Amsterdam?

    40. Re: They're boring in a good way by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Hilary's Superdelegates would have beaten him, so figured upfront that he'd be better off running on the GOP side. If he didn't want the job, he'd have run as a Democrat

    41. Re: They're boring in a good way by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      To be fair, what evidence we do have suggests that intelligence services genuinely believed that at the time.

      No. Rumsfeld had to set up a separate operation to sideline the CIA just to get some pretexts for the war -- look up the story of the Office of Special Plans for details.

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    42. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He was being fed information from the intelligence community and making decisions based on that. Garbage in, Garbage out. If anything, I would say the lingering doubt he has in the IC as a result of the BS they fed him is a positive towards higher office rather than a negative.

      If the IC had said "we don't know where his WMD info came from", then I would assume it was some political shenanigans. Rather, they backed it fully (at that time)

    43. Re: They're boring in a good way by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      What has availability of pot got to do with being left wing? Is Colorado more left wing than France?

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    44. Re:They're boring in a good way by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      None of your, or his, business?

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    45. Re: They're boring in a good way by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Typically, the information posed in public is not the full extent of the information because that would reveal the capabilities of a countries intelligence gathering assets (i.e. it's classified). They may have had pictures that show what's inside the trucks in visible or another wavelength, or similar extra detail on the arrival or departure facilities.

      What actually happened is that the Intel community didn't show Powell the full suit of data they had. Managers dumbed down the analysts reports to simply give him info that "made Bush happy". There's more to the whole story, but it was part of a DIA training class (kind of a Intel 101) and I don't want to get into FOUO stuff. The short is that it's an ongoing problem that was prevalent in that decision and has been very, very tough to weed out of the current management--but necessary as it has caused major problems in latter OEF and OIF military operations and some very high up have complained about it in the news. The reports of bad intel WRT progress against ISIL (unfounded optimism) is the same issue. This is the same politics-over-actual-information issue in as was management "involvement" in the Challenger and Colombia disasters as reports by their respective investigative commissions.

    46. Re: They're boring in a good way by Boronx · · Score: 1

      There's no reason to believe they were WMD trucks. There's no evidence at all that more was known about the trucks than what Powell said in the meeting. There are a lot of *stories* that came out from people somewhat near the action, but they are quite varied and often contradictory.

    47. Re: They're boring in a good way by mjwx · · Score: 1

      No, it was wrong intelligence. Or else, why did UK, run by a Left wing government run by Tony Blair, back that? They could easily have told the US that Iraq had nothing, and that would have worked, but everybody's intelligence agencies seemed to suggest that Saddam had chemical and/or biological weapons

      Labor under Blair only slightly more left wing as the Conservatives under Cameron. Both were very centrist and tend to follow the Third Way.

      However Blair followed Bush for the same reason Howard, Australia's PM at the time followed Bush. They both had their tongues so far up Bush's arse that they became the lump in his throat.

      You've got to be kidding yourselves to think that Blair and the UK Brass didn't know the intelligence was a complete fabrication. Much like the US military heads they thought that Iraq would be a pushover and the people would meekly accept a western occupation, the military would get a nice budget boost and politicians would get a nice boost in the polls.

      Both Blair and Howard lost the next election after 2003, Iraq was no small part of the reasons they lost.

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    48. Re: They're boring in a good way by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about being Left Wing? I said anybody who thinks UK's Labour Party is Right Wing is snorting either crack or meth

    49. Re:They're boring in a good way by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      "onus was on Saddam to provide evidence" WHICH HE PROVIDED per Blix.
      Stop lying

    50. Re: They're boring in a good way by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      Except for that whole " Blix report" making the entire story a shambles and a lie, I agree with your conclusion.

    51. Re: They're boring in a good way by AutodidactLabrat · · Score: 1

      WRONG! As G. Tenet testified to the Senate in 2004, Bush KNEW the Curveball claims were likely false and ORDERED the CIA to doctor their report to Congress to eliminate all reference to Curveball being a fraud and liar
      so, the WMD claims were false
      He KNEW they were false
      He covered up the certainty that the claims were false.
      So yes, it's a lie
      Cheney can take some credit, but the entire Project for a New American Century clique were placed in Intelligence (including Douglas Feith) to create a false story and Bush, not Cheney, did that.

  3. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Former Secretary of State Colin Powell has been hacked

    A synth! First Magnolia and now this :(

  4. Wups! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe if we can get some current and relevant politicians hacked, like Hillary (again,) Obama, Trump, and.... oh there are no other relevant politicians. But maybe if they get hit something meaningful will be done to ensure hardware and software manufacturers truly harden their systems for security.

    Or maybe the headlong rush into, "Oooh! Teh Internets are so yummy I'll just throw all sorts of shit that don't belong on computers out there and get an app for that!" should finally go away.

    Nah.......

    1. Re:Wups! by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Does he still have his AOL account?

      These stupid people (add to them, the Director of TSA and the Director of the CIA) all have/had AOL ISPs.

      My Grandma had one (RIP).

  5. I'd have more sympathy if... by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    People stopped annoyingly pronouncing his name as Co-lon instead of Colin.

    1. Re:I'd have more sympathy if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People stopped annoyingly pronouncing his name as Co-lon instead of Colin.

      It's their way of implying that he's full of shit.

      Captcha: messiest

    2. Re:I'd have more sympathy if... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      He chose that pronunciation after a WW2 B-17 pilot. His parents pronounced it the other way.

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  6. It's his own fault by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    Colin Powell never should have talked shit about Donald Trump. You mess with the bear and you get the h4xx0rs.

    http://www.nbcnews.com/politic...

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    1. Re:It's his own fault by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      In fairness, on June 17th when Powell said that Trump was "in the process of destroying himself, no need for Dems to attack him," that was actually true. Since then Trump has managed to levelize and maintain some discipline, but in June it was like watching a sinking ship and the captain bailing water in.

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    2. Re:It's his own fault by Kaenneth · · Score: 1, Troll

      Am I the only one concerned about Trump's Russian mob connections?

    3. Re:It's his own fault by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're also the only one whose momma Colin Powell referred to as "the ho on the pole".

    4. Re:It's his own fault by gtall · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. Jethro Clampett was concerned early on but he's gone along with the rest of the Republican party and replaced his backbone with an overcooked spaghetti noodle.

    5. Re:It's his own fault by unixisc · · Score: 0

      If Powell is opposed to Trump, it means that Trump is doing things right. Powell is one of the leading RINOs which is the reason that this primary saw the rise of Trump, Carson and Cruz.

    6. Re:It's his own fault by dbIII · · Score: 2

      Since so many don't give a shit about his New York mob connections in the past why would they care about his funding from Russian banks run by mobsters now?

      If somebody had written a novel about this election a few years ago the editor would have thrown it at a wall and told the author never to darken the door again. A million unlikely things before breakfast. At least he's ditched the PR guy who also did the work for Russian fighters in Ukraine - hard to get a positive spin on shooting down civilian airliners.

    7. Re:It's his own fault by user+no.+590291 · · Score: 1

      Given his status as a multimillionaire and international playboy, it is unsurprising that Mr. Clampett takes a more cosmopolitan approach to politics, especially given his extensive elementary education (to the sixth grade) and his exhibition of other markets of social sophistication. This is in contrast to the eccentric liberalism espoused by his sister, Elly May, who was reputed to have never worn shoes in her Beverly Hills home to illustrate the plight of the backwoods unfortunates who could not afford them due to regressive economic policies such as those advocated by the local bank president, Mr. Drysdale.

    8. Re:It's his own fault by Cajun+Hell · · Score: 1

      People prioritize their concerns. It's not that people don't care; it's just that there are more important/interesting things to talk about.

      And keep in mind who Trump's biggest challenger is: another powerful person. They're expected to be involved in some occasional organized crime (regardless of whether or not it's even true) and that part of their image might even be part of why you'd vote for them.

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  7. And now we have a new hashtag by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously go to twitter and look for
    #dickingbimbos you'll see what I'm talking about

  8. What mail servers? by somenickname · · Score: 1

    I'd be interested to know what mail servers all these hacks have been against. Are they all private servers that someone has left unmaintained in a basement for years? Are they big online servers? Are they well maintained private servers? I know some of the e-mail leaks have been social engineered but, if any weren't, it would be interesting to know how they were hacked.

    1. Re:What mail servers? by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 1

      In this case, it was Powell's g-mail account. His login credentials may have been reused on some other site that had their data stolen. In that case it would not be a hack so much as a stolen password.

    2. Re:What mail servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Were there any classified emails?

    3. Re:What mail servers? by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      According to the article, this was a gmail account.

    4. Re:What mail servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, it seems like Hillary's server was the only one in Washington that wasn't hacked.

    5. Re:What mail servers? by vux984 · · Score: 1

      Or he could have been phished. (still a stolen password, but not via one of the various big leaks.)

      It could also be a remote attack vs his desktop

      (teamviewer/gotomypc/rdp/etc/etc...) If someone has gotten remote access to his desktop then it may be as simple as launching chrome from his PC at 3am...

      or someone got their hands on a device like an ipad or something that he used that wasn't properly/sufficiently locked down.

      or he foolishly checked his gmail from a computer someone else uses or belongs to, and didn't properly log out.

      or someone guessed it (or someone guessed it from somewhere else (e.g. they saw his desktop password "hint") or some nonesense like that) and he re-used it on gmail.

      or he used a not so clever algorithm from leaked data ... and someone compromised his gmail by figuring out his pattern. (e.g. his leaked linkedin password was mysp1094!, and his leaked myspace password was mysp1094!... so some bright lad or lass tried gmai1094! and was in...

    6. Re:What mail servers? by FlyHelicopters · · Score: 1

      If I was General Powell, I would not reuse the same password from my e-mail on ANY site... and it would be complex and random...

    7. Re:What mail servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or he could have been phished. (still a stolen password, but not via one of the various big leaks.)

      It could also be a remote attack vs his desktop

      (teamviewer/gotomypc/rdp/etc/etc...) If someone has gotten remote access to his desktop then it may be as simple as launching chrome from his PC at 3am...

      or someone got their hands on a device like an ipad or something that he used that wasn't properly/sufficiently locked down.

      or he foolishly checked his gmail from a computer someone else uses or belongs to, and didn't properly log out.

      or someone guessed it (or someone guessed it from somewhere else (e.g. they saw his desktop password "hint") or some nonesense like that) and he re-used it on gmail.

      or he used a not so clever algorithm from leaked data ... and someone compromised his gmail by figuring out his pattern. (e.g. his leaked linkedin password was mysp1094!, and his leaked myspace password was mysp1094!... so some bright lad or lass tried gmai1094! and was in...

      Or something else entirely.

    8. Re:What mail servers? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hear they're all kept in the bathrooms of shady politicians who are trying to cover up evidence of their wrongdoings.

  9. Don't blame Powell for being miffed at Hillary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He warned the DNC and Hillary to keep her cronies from blaming anything email related on him multiple times and they still tried to do it anyways like the corrupt scumbags they are.

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    1. Re:Don't blame Powell for being miffed at Hillary by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Corrupt means disobeying Colin Powell? Weird.

  10. Summary Incomplete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The summary totally ignores Powell's extremely critical remarks about Hillary, her lies, manipulation, and the public exploitation of his name against his wishes.

    A lie of omission is still a lie, and that you choose to ignore these facts makes them all the more critical to examine.

    1. Re:Summary Incomplete by jodokast98 · · Score: 0

      Another butthurt liberal. When are you guys going to wake up and smell the sh_i_t on your knees or see the forest for the trees? Hillary and Trump are both horrible candidates. The entire 2016 political process is probably just some big plot to divide the country even more...it's ripe with hatred, bigotry, and more poo flinging then previous years.
      Maybe Obama is behind it too...have the most deplorable candidates on both sides, con the public into thinking it's one or the other, start a bunch of sh_i_t and have people at each others throats out of hatred.

    2. Re:Summary Incomplete by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      The summary totally ignores Powell's extremely critical remarks about Hillary, her lies, manipulation, and the public exploitation of his name against his wishes.

      The summary does not mention this, because the article is about Colin Powell's emails, and no such email exists. If such an email does exist, please link to it. Otherwise, it is the AC who is lying. That post should not have been modded up without a citation to an email from Powell regarding Clinton. It was just troll/flamebait.

    3. Re:Summary Incomplete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you f-ing kidding? Just go to Google News and search for "Colin Powell Hillary". CNN, The Wall Street Journal, etc are all reporting it. The problem is they are trumpeting his comments about Trump and doing everything can to bury his comments about Hillary while "documenting" them so they can fight off accusations of bias.

      Both candidates suck, terribly. But Hillary is "just" a walking summary of everything that's wrong with politics in the US. Trump, Trump is the kid from school that never realized that people are laughing at him, not with him. They're both egotistical narcissists but Hillary is a lying sociopath and Trump is an idiot. If I have to choose between the two I'm going to go with the sociopath.

      The problem here is that the US media (on both sides) has decided that their job is not to tell us the facts and let us decided, it's to decide what's best for us and guide us to the same conclusion. Trump is the backlash, he's the unwashed masses throwing up their collective adolescent middle fingers and fighting "the man". If they just do their f*cking jobs and just report the facts any reasonable person is going to realize that Trump is a disaster in a suit and while they may not like Hillary, she's the lesser of two evils.
       
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    4. Re:Summary Incomplete by quantaman · · Score: 3, Informative

      The summary totally ignores Powell's extremely critical remarks about Hillary, her lies, manipulation, and the public exploitation of his name against his wishes.

      A lie of omission is still a lie, and that you choose to ignore these facts makes them all the more critical to examine.

      Funny, I didn't see him call her a liar. Here's the most critical remarks I found about her from the article:

      Mr. Powell lamented that while he respected Mrs. Clinton, he would “rather not have to vote for her,” describing the Democratic presidential nominee as having “a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational.”

      “H.R.C. could have killed this two years ago by merely telling everyone honestly what she had done and not tie me into it,” Mr. Powell wrote late last month, referring to Mrs. Clinton by her initials. “I told her staff three times not to try that gambit. I had to throw a mini-tantrum at a Hamptons party to get their attention. She keeps tripping into these ‘character’ minefields.”

      In December 2015, he told Condoleezza Rice, his successor at the State Department, that the Republican political attacks on Benghazi were “a stupid witch hunt” and wrote that “basic fault falls on a courageous ambassador who thought Libyans now love me and I am O.K. in this very vulnerable place.” He added that “blame also rests on his leaders and supporters back here,” including Mrs. Clinton.

      A few months later, in a discussion about Mrs. Clinton’s email scandal, Mr. Powell lamented that “everything H.R.C. touches she kind of screws up with hubris.”

      Oh, and of course his most critical remarks about Trump:

      Mr. Powell wrote last month that Mr. Trump is “his own best enemy” and added: “I will speak out when I feel it appropriate and not after every idiot thing he says.”

      “No need to debate it with you now, but Trump is a national disgrace and an international pariah,” Mr. Powell wrote in June, noting the criticism of Mr. Trump by several prominent conservatives. “He is in the process of destroying himself, no need for Dems to attack him.”

      “Yup, the whole birther movement was racist,” Mr. Powell wrote. “That’s what the 99% believe. When Trump couldn’t keep that up he said he also wanted to see if the certificate noted that he was a Muslim. As I have said before, ‘What if he was?’ Muslims are born as Americans everyday.”

      Mr. Powell dismissed as completely ineffective Mr. Trump’s recent attempts to reach out to black voters, saying that the Republican nominee “takes us for idiots.”

      “He can never overcome what he tried to do to Obama with his search for the birth certificate hoping to force Obama out of the presidency,” Mr. Powell wrote, saying to his aide, “You don’t fall for his false sincerity, I hope.”

      “He appeals to the worst angels of the G.O.P. nature and poor white folks,”

      So... are you sure you want the summary to go into his opinions on the candidates?

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    5. Re:Summary Incomplete by shanen · · Score: 1

      Thanks for compiling all of that in one place, and I'd give you an "informative" mod point if I ever got one to give.

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    6. Re:Summary Incomplete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, you can just say 'shit'.

    7. Re:Summary Incomplete by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

      Sheeesh, I just wanted a link. It is strange that none of the linked articles mentioned it. Was it the summary that was biased, or the media?

    8. Re:Summary Incomplete by Orgasmatron · · Score: 2

      Funny, I didn't see him call her a liar.

      Really? I see it.

      "H.R.C. could have killed this two years ago by merely telling everyone honestly what she had done and not tie me into it," Mr. Powell wrote late last month, referring to Mrs. Clinton by her initials. "I told her staff three times not to try that gambit. I had to throw a mini-tantrum at a Hamptons party to get their attention. She keeps tripping into these 'character' minefields."

      That last part is important. The first bold part, he says the she lied. The second bold part, he says that she knowingly and willfully lied. The third bold part, he says that she lies habitually.

      What noun means "a person who, knowingly and willfully, lies habitually"? liar

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    9. Re:Summary Incomplete by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      The first bold part, he says the she lied.

      No, in fact he doesn't say that at all.

      The second bold part, he says that she knowingly and willfully lied.

      Neither does he say that.

      The third bold part, he says that she lies habitually.

      Nor that.

      What do we call someone who misreports the words of another? Oh, yes, a liar.

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    10. Re:Summary Incomplete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another butthurt liberal... more poo flinging then previous years... have people at each others throats out of hatred

      Thanks for contributing to the decline of nonprejudicial, open discourse.

    11. Re:Summary Incomplete by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      http://www.businessinsider.com...

      Both the summary and the mainstream media are biased. The truth is Powell likes neither Trump nor Clinton. When this story broke, however, CNN, MSNBC, etc, ran with Powell's negative quotes about Trump, and ignored the ones about Clinton. Perhaps later after no one's paying attention to the story anymore they'll publish a brief blurb about Powell's comments on Clinton. Their goal is to persuade, not to inform.

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    12. Re:Summary Incomplete by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      The summary totally ignores Powell's extremely critical remarks about Hillary, her lies, manipulation, and the public exploitation of his name against his wishes.

      And you just totally ignored that he said even worse things about Trump, and implied he'd be voting for her.

      A lie of omission is still a lie, and that you choose to ignore these facts makes them all the more critical to examine.

      Ahem.

    13. Re:Summary Incomplete by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      "everything H.R.C. touches she kind of screws up with hubris."

      As somebody who will probably vote for her because I cannot stand Trump, this is probably a good summary. Hillary doesn't know how to get gum off her shoes, just spreads it to both legs by not nipping things in the bud by coming fully clean.

      Bush's admin had email mishandling problems also, but managed to not have it turned into endless hearings. Most politicians are jerks, but some know how to be Teflon jerks; not H.

    14. Re:Summary Incomplete by Orgasmatron · · Score: 1

      What is this, the playground? Is the best response you can come up with really "Nuh-uh", the 8 year old's argument?

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  11. Our special of the day Ambasador to France 3mil by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

    We toss in Monaco for free.

    1. Re:Our special of the day Ambasador to France 3mil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "We toss in Monaco for free"

      With a side order of Trump University

    2. Re:Our special of the day Ambasador to France 3mil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      US Ambassadorships have always been rewards for loyalty... both parties do it and it dates back to the 1800's. Ambassador's don't make policies or laws, they are generally just mouth pieces. Well educated, rich mouth pieces but mouthpieces. If you look at the list you'll notice something important, the awarded ambassadorships were for the UK, Sweden, Spain, etc. You won't find any countries we have serious political problems with on that list. Russia? John Teft whose been a foreign service officer since 1972 and was pulled out of retirement specifically to be posted in Russia. Afghanistan, P. Michael McKinley... a foreign service officer since 1982. Columbia? Kevin Whitaker, career foreign service officer. See the pattern here? For countries we're friends with... the ambassador is a "host". For countries we have an issue with they're always career politicians who know WTF is going on.

    3. Re:Our special of the day Ambasador to France 3mil by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      US Ambassadorships have always been rewards for loyalty... both parties do it and it dates back to the 1800's. Ambassador's don't make policies or laws, they are generally just mouth pieces. Well educated, rich mouth pieces but mouthpieces. If you look at the list you'll notice something important, the awarded ambassadorships were for the UK, Sweden, Spain, etc. You won't find any countries we have serious political problems with on that list. Russia? John Teft whose been a foreign service officer since 1972 and was pulled out of retirement specifically to be posted in Russia. Afghanistan, P. Michael McKinley... a foreign service officer since 1982. Columbia? Kevin Whitaker, career foreign service officer. See the pattern here? For countries we're friends with... the ambassador is a "host". For countries we have an issue with they're always career politicians who know WTF is going on.

      That's nice Chairman of the FCC and Secretary of the Treasury were there as well.

    4. Re:Our special of the day Ambasador to France 3mil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, the other positions fall much more clearly under graft. However, the OP addressed Ambassadors and I addressed Ambassadors in my reply.

    5. Re:Our special of the day Ambasador to France 3mil by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If Trump wins, he can make Paul Menafort the envoy to Moscow

    6. Re:Our special of the day Ambasador to France 3mil by Crashmarik · · Score: 1

      It's more a case of both being graft. One type you are more willing to let slide than another.

  12. The guy who.... by phantomfive · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The immediate result of the hack has been political fallout for Powell himself.

    The guy who has no political aspirations? Nah, he's untouchable politically because he has no ambition. He is like the Buddha of US politics: having no desires, he feels no pain at loss.

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    1. Re:The guy who.... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      He was pissed at Hilliary about cutting him out of a paid speaking gig. He felt the pain of that.

    2. Re:The guy who.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Doesn't he have enough money? lol

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    3. Re:The guy who.... by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      Congradulations. This is the only "5, Insightful" comment posted on a political thread on ./ in the last 3 months that was actually insightful. I don't know how you managed that, but you're now my hero.

    4. Re:The guy who.... by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      The Atlantic makes it seem like the hack has made him more likable than ever.

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    5. Re:The guy who.... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I've always wondered about that. Does anyone ever have enough money? I know there are lots of things I want but nothing I need that I don't already have. But still.....I'd like some new toys. I guess Powell wants new toys.

    6. Re:The guy who.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Yeah. I kind of list the 'richness' levels like this:

      1) Rich enough to not have to work ever again. This is baseline.
      2) Rich enough to own a private jet. That way you don't need to fly commercial ever again.
      3) Rich enough to own your own planet.
      4) Rich enough to own your own galaxy (or the energy from it)

      There is no limit.

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    7. Re:The guy who.... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I can't say I'd ever want my own jet. If I'm that rich I can have everything I want brought to me.

    8. Re:The guy who.... by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I guess you don't really travel, then.

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    9. Re:The guy who.... by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Not by plane. I'd like a yacht though. I love the ocean.

  13. Powell's AOL account? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not too long ago, the Hillary campaign put out an email between her and Colin Powell. Colin Powell went out, and just used an AOL email account. He was the head of the State Department, so, so much for IT recommendations. Is it possible the AOL account was also hacked?

    1. Re:Powell's AOL account? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      He was a member of AOL's board at one time

  14. Lifting candidates by fyngyrz · · Score: 0

    The forces that lifted Obama to the Presidency do not seem to be present for Hillary.

    The generally acceptable qualities that lifted Mitt Romney almost to the presidency aren't there at all for Trump.

    The general buzz is that very few people like either candidate a whole lot, this time around. But Trump is pretty far behind, plus, he is a threat to the status quo (as was Sanders, and look what happened to him.) The plainest evidence of this is the number of high level republicans who have said they will not vote for the man.

    It's all over but the shouting, looks like. Of course, there will be a lot of that, both pre- and post-election. There always is.

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    1. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...except that Trump will win because it will become known that
      Hillary is suffering from a serious, untreatable neurological condition
      (some suggest Parkinson's) and will be unable to perform the duties
      the Office of President of The United States requires. The large
      meds she's on to appear healthy during her campaign are going
      to cause her to crash and burn really bad (I don't wish her harm).
      She can't continue at the level of meds she's on for any period of
      time - Sunday was just the tip of the ice berg of what's ahead...

      CAP == 'faults'

    2. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is the Republican support not there? Donald Trump has the most primary votes of any Republican in history. He had that record *before California voted*. In a race with a LUDICROUS number of candidates. I'm sure there are vocal opponents, but Republicans seem to have acquired their candidate of choice, with quite a bit of shouting.

    3. Re:Lifting candidates by fyngyrz · · Score: 0

      Because republicans don't have the headcount to decide the election without the independents, that's why. I have seen no indication that independents are leaning Trumpward. In fact, Trump seems to have almost zero appeal outside of the 15% or so of the electorate that voted for him in the primaries; Worse, people are coming out against him in droves -- including leading republicans, even after he won the party's nomination. That's a pretty bad corner to be in, I think. They aren't so much going be "voting Clinton" as they are going to be voting "not Trump." I honestly expect him to lose the presidential election by a landslide.

      We will see, of course; but that's definitely my read of the present tea leaves. :)

      FWIW, I am neither a Republican or a Democrat. I identify as a "compassionate constitutionalist", when forced to identify at all. I choose my candidates (and issues, when they are on the ballot) by how they address the most critical issues. I've voted for both Republicans and Democrats at various times. Libertarian once (Ron Paul.)

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    4. Re:Lifting candidates by networkBoy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm voting for Johnson.
      His campaign has basically become: Not Trump *or* Clinton

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    5. Re:Lifting candidates by unixisc · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, Trump is beating Hilary among Independents, even while trailing her overall. His biggest problem has been breaking past the 70% of Republicans - the RINO faction of the party - like people like Richard Armitage, Christie Todd Whitman, Susan Collins, et al have all thrown their lot behind Hilary. But if he can induce defections among Bernie supporters w/ things like his trade policies, as well as support from new mothers by Ivanka's childcare proposals yesterday, he can offset those GOP losses and give people like George Will, Jonah Goldberg, Steve Heyes, Charles Krauthammer, Megyn Kelly, Brit Hume, et al the finger

    6. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have seen no indication that independents are leaning Trumpward.

      None are so blind as those who will not see.

      Latest Quinnipiac poll has Independents going for Trump 45-40.
      Latest Reuters poll has Independents going for Trump 30-22.
      As a reminder, Romney won the independent vote in 2012 50-45. Boring, milquetoast Mitt. Independents were 29% of the electorate that year. Do you really think that the number of independents will go DOWN this year? After Trump won more primary votes than any other Republican in history? After the kind of excitement and craziness we've seen on both sides of the aisle? Get the fuck out.

      Yeah, there's going to be a landslide, alright. But its going to be completely opposite what you think.

    7. Re:Lifting candidates by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Well, that will be very interesting if it happens. Tune in in mid-November, and we'll talk about it then.

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    8. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      CNN Poll showing Trump leads Clinton by 20 points amongst independents. (Took 5 seconds to look up your "facts").

      I think you are just in denial that Trump is likely to win and that Clinton is not only going to lose, she is a deplorable person who has commited a long list of felonies showing that the FBI and DOJ have two levels of justice depending on who you are. Trump may be good, he may be bad, but he has shown EVERYONE how incompetent the news media is and how completely corrupt the DNC and most of DC is. Even if Clinton wins the election, she and the DNC still lose because of all the uncomfortable questions they are refusing to answer.

    9. Re:Lifting candidates by AK+Marc · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Voting for president someone who doesn't know who ISIS is. That doesn't seem to be a wise decision either.

    10. Re:Lifting candidates by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      When 70% of them are "in name only" then the RINOs are the hardliners The Repulbicans supporting Hillary are more "the party" than those supporting Trump.

    11. Re:Lifting candidates by unixisc · · Score: 0

      I implied that the 30% were the RINOs - the ones that insist on either backing Hilary or sitting home. The 70% he's getting, or else, he wouldn't be that close!

    12. Re:Lifting candidates by legRoom · · Score: 1, Troll

      Hillary is suffering from a serious, untreatable neurological condition (some suggest Parkinson's) and will be unable to perform the duties the Office of President of The United States requires.

      Even if that's true, it won't change how the vast majority of people vote.

      Most vote for a party, a platform, an ideology, or a pet policy issue - not for a person. If Hillary wins and cannot serve, she will be replaced by her Vice President. Since her VP is also a Democrat, it would make little difference to most voters which one actually ends up in power.

      If anything, I think Trump's campaign would lose ground if it were to become known that Hillary could not serve, since there is a sizeable chunk of voters who can't stand either one and would jump at the chance to vote for anyone else - such as Tim Kaine.

      Disclaimer: I am neither a Democrat or a Republican, and can't stomache either candidate. I'm making a prediction, not expressing a preference.

    13. Re:Lifting candidates by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I haven't found many people that really like Hilliary although I have heard from a lot of people that say they will vote for her. I've heard more people that like Trump but there are still more that don't but say they will vote for him. So far it seems to me the one thing going for Trump is that he's not Hilliary. The number one thing going for Hilliary is that she's a Democrat. I know tons of people that would vote for Satan himself if he ran on the Democratic ticket.

    14. Re: Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, he didn't know what Aleppo is.

    15. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed, but ISIS isn't significant to the state of the US, only a minor nuisance.

    16. Re: Lifting candidates by AK+Marc · · Score: 1, Troll

      I am an expert on Europe, but I've never heard of Paris, or London.

      Nope. Not knowing a key battleground indicates lack of knowledge of a subject so well, one could say he doesn't know what ISIS is, since he doesn't know where it operates, and doesn't follow the most basic news about it.

    17. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The polls disagree with you. Since the incident where she was dragged away into her getaway van, her numbers dropped and Trump's went up.

      Guess it's time for Reuters to "tweak" their polling algorithms again so that Hillary appears ahead. Wouldn't want voters to get the wrong idea now, would we?

    18. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Establishment cronies, globalists, oligarchs, and sketchy millionaire career politicians are the ones coming out against him in droves and using their money to influence this election as hard as they can. Why do you think there's so many news outlets that act as cover for Hillary's crimes, failings, faux pas, and issues while at the same time mustering everything they've got against Trump for every insignificant issue under the sun, taking things out of context or just outright lying about him? We always thought the media was biased in the past, but it's now beyond any shadow of a doubt.

      If these people are against him, you know that means he's bad for their agenda. Their agenda is bad news for the average person.

      So do you vote Hillary and give these people even more power to get their way and rip you off? Or do you take your chances and vote for Trump?

    19. Re: Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...and when the person asking made themselves understood, Johnson proceded to demonstrate full command of the topic.

    20. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trump isn't going to have to beat Clinton. He just has to run hard enough she burns out trying to beat him.

      Clinton is so sick she stands a good chance of having to step down, being ousted by other party leaders that want a live candidate, or simply dying of whatever it is she has that they keep lying about.

      Having to get tossed in a van like a sack of meat on TV tends to do that to a politician. Her traditional cheer-leaders in the MSM are turning on her and the scape-goating is already in the works.

      The DNC appears to be headless and without someone with a clue at the helm. (Who else would brief the beast into ripping on a frog used in an internet meme but a complete dunce? You can't tell me Clinton is out there doing research on what to say herself and came up with that.)

      She's done. Consider yourself voting for Kaine or get her out of there if you want to win.

    21. Re:Lifting candidates by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 2, Funny

      I know tons of people that would vote for Satan himself if he ran on the Democratic ticket.

      This is not unique to the Democrats. The exact same statement is certainly true of most Republican voters. I'd go so far as to suggest that Trump could have anal sex with Satan on TV and pledge his eternal allegiance to ISIS/Daesh/ISIL and he'd still win Texas. I can imagine Texas voters saying "I don't like it that he had sex with Satan and supports ISIS but I'm not voting for a Democrat". I've been to Texas recently. I have family that lives there. Yes, it really is like that. I estimate that as many as 80% of voters only care about whether the D or R is by a candidate's name and everything else is negotiable, but the only sources I could find that tried to track this kind of thing suggest that the percentage is actually around 60%. All I can say is that it seems higher to me.

    22. Re:Lifting candidates by tinkerton · · Score: 2

      I agree. I recall everyone making fun of him about his not knowing what Aleppo was. If you pay attention his attitude was that he could get by on general doctrinal thinking and didn't need the details: what would a libertarian think, and that happened not to be half bad (stay out), much better than most experts in my view.
      Of course the attitude of going on general principles and not requiring specifics has its problems, but also libertarian thinking is often isolationist and then one doesn't need to know much about the foreign situation.

    23. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      serious, untreatable neurological condition

      That didn't stop us from re-electing Reagan...

    24. Re:Lifting candidates by luis_a_espinal · · Score: 1

      The polls disagree with you. Since the incident where she was dragged away into her getaway van, her numbers dropped and Trump's went up.

      Guess it's time for Reuters to "tweak" their polling algorithms again so that Hillary appears ahead. Wouldn't want voters to get the wrong idea now, would we?

      No they do not. The OP is suggesting that, should Hillary were to become incapacitated, Trump's chances will likely dive even more as more people would be willing to vote for Kaine than for Hillary (or Trump.)

      What we are witnessing is a competition between detestable candidates. Should one were to replace one of the detestables for one that is not, guess what would happen.

      This is not just specifically against Trump, but also against Hillary. If Trump were to pull out his little hand (pun clearly intended) off the race pie and gets replaced by, say, Kasich, I'd expect it to be over for Hillary.

      A lot of people are voting for Hillary because they detest Trump more (and viceversa). Replace one with a much less detestable (or even better, a favorable) person, and the equation changes.

      Disclaimer: I do have a preference or rather less revulsion in favor of Hillary. But I'm simply making a prediction of realities on the ground as well as hypothetical replacement of detestables.

    25. Re:Lifting candidates by Eunuchswear · · Score: 1

      Guess it's time for Reuters to "tweak" their polling algorithms again

      Ah, maybe we need unskewed polls.

      Because that worked so well the last time.

      When will these fools realise that reality is that that does not go away when you don't believe in it.

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    26. Re:Lifting candidates by Daetrin · · Score: 2

      I think both of you are over-attributing this to "voting for them because they're X" when it's more "voting for them because they're not Y".

      I don't particularly like Clinton. I don't think she's a crook or a serial murderer or any of the other crazy conspiracy theories, I just think she's a bit more conservative than i'd really like. But there's no way i'm going to help throw the election to Trump by voting for anyone other than the person who is most likely to defeat Trump.

      Until we get rid of the first past the post voting system voting either R or D says a lot more about who you _don't_ want to be president. (And voting for a third party says either that you (possibly mistakenly) believe your vote has 0% chance of making a difference or you really don't care who gets elected.)

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    27. Re:Lifting candidates by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      My main problem with Johnson is he's pro-TPP.

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    28. Re:Lifting candidates by OakDragon · · Score: 1

      Why is the Republican support not there? Donald Trump has the most primary votes of any Republican in history.

      Even with this, most Republicans voted for someone other than Trump.

    29. Re:Lifting candidates by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well he's not wrong, about a month and a half ago Reuters changed their polling method because it was showing 3rd party candidates taking more from Hillary than Trump.

      The problem with polling in general is it is often used to influence the way people think rather than report on how they think. Many of the polling firms are marketing groups, not political scientists.

      The problem with polling this election is that every poll I've seen relies on the assumption that the turnout demographics in 2016 will be the same as they were in 2012 or 2008, but no one justifies this assumption. I find it hard to believe that blacks will come out for Hillary the way they came out for Obama. On the other hand the white working class hasn't had anyone speak to them about trade and immigration like Trump has in pretty much forever.

      I don't know what the turnout will be in November, so I can't "unskew" the polls. But since the pollsters never justify the fundamental premise of the polls, I can't trust them either. I would just take any poll numbers you see with a massive grain of salt.

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    30. Re: Lifting candidates by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I don't know why you got a troll mod, you could have made the point better, but it is a valid point...

      Fact is, I'm voting for him not for his strengths, but because I believe 4 years of Johnson will globally amount to a no-op, while (IMHO) Either Trump or Clinton will cause our country vastly more harm than good on the international stage.

      The US already has a black eye and smells funny to the rest of the world, "going away" for a bit and regrouping is what our country needs. Libertarian ticket is basically "remove thumbs from pies and go home."
      -nb

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    31. Re: Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I ever hear trump say is "I'm going to make America safe; I'm going to bring jobs to America..."

      But he never says how. Closing down the border will not make America a safer place.

    32. Re: Lifting candidates by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      All I ever hear Clinton say is "we're stronger together" and "kill all the white men." But she never says how.

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    33. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know tons of people that would vote for Satan himself if he ran on the Democratic ticket.

      This is not unique to the Democrats. The exact same statement is certainly true of most Republican voters

      That's just not true of those thinking Republicans, unlike the sheep of the Democrats. I mean, if the Republican nominee shot somebody, surely they would not vote for him.

      Or maybe they would...

    34. Re:Lifting candidates by legRoom · · Score: 1

      The polls disagree with you. Since the incident where she was dragged away into her getaway van, her numbers dropped and Trump's went up.

      I said, "if it were to become known that Hillary could not serve". The fact that she had to leave one event early for health reasons does not prove that she is too ill to serve, except in the minds of those who are just looking for an excuse to reach that conclusion. The official story is that she has pneumonia, which is a treatable disease in people who are otherwise reasonably healthy.

      If I had to guess, I would say that the dip in her poll numbers is actually a reaction to the fact that her campaign got caught lying to the public about her health, rather than an indicator that people truly think she'll be unable to serve because of this incident.

      The real test of my prediction will be how the public reacts if her health forces her to do something much more dramatic, like quit making public appearances, or drop out of the race entirely.

    35. Re: Lifting candidates by unixisc · · Score: 1

      How many people know most of the players there? Who al Nusra is? Who Khorasan is? Who Free Syria Army is? Heck, who Hizbullah is, or Ikhwan is? If one doesn't know who those are - the various combatants, what good is it knowing the geography of Syria - Aleppo, Damascus, Palmyra/Tadmur, Ladakya, Homs, Hama, Raqqa, et al

    36. Re:Lifting candidates by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      But if he can induce defections among Bernie supporters w/ things like his trade policies, as well as support from new mothers by Ivanka's childcare proposals yesterday

      On Wednesday the 14th (yesterday as I write this), Nate Silver predicted that Clinton has a 79 percent chance of winning the presidency, compared to Donald Trump's 20 percent. As far as having a handle on what polls are actually telling us overall, I don't know of anyone who is better than Silver. Perfect, no. But he's very, very good.

      So... I'm still pretty confident I've called it correctly, barring some huge event that does Clinton in.

      But again, this is a fascinating election. The candidates both have serious problems with what should be their bases. How will that really roll out? We will see. I've given my opinion, but of course that's all it is.

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    37. Re:Lifting candidates by amiga3D · · Score: 0

      I think it's more true of the Democrats because so many people count on a government check and they know the Republicans are always trying to reduce those checks while Democrats are always trying to increase them. People that want to get paid don't give a shit about who it is as long as the money keeps coming.

    38. Re:Lifting candidates by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      This isn't the first time she had physical issues, there was also this one:

      http://www.wnd.com/2016/08/uns...

      And I seem to remember hearing she collapsed at some other point, but I may be remembering the same incident.

      Also, she claimed to the FBI that she did not recall taking the classified information briefing that the state department has records of her taking yearly. How could someone possibly forget taking that training when it is a yearly activity?

      Her having possible health issues isn't just something the Right is making up, there are many indications. You can also try to claim that this survey was biased, but Doctors should be able to identify people having serious issues and trying to hide them, it is kind of part of the job:

      https://politics.slashdot.org/...

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    39. Re: Lifting candidates by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      BBC did a pretty good article.

      http://www.bbc.com/news/world-...

      But, not knowing what Aleppo is, would indicate that he doesn't keep up with the most basic of news, as it has been all over the news recently.

      https://www.google.com/search?...

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    40. Re: Lifting candidates by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      I live in Maryland, so it doesn't matter who I vote for, the state will go Democrat. I am likely voting for Johnson, not because I like him, but because it will help the next election to have a large showing for the Libertarian Party.

      My main issue is that Johnson has come out and said he is going to disband the NSA (except the remote offices), and the IRS. So, who does he expect to secure government communications, or analyse the intel coming in from those remote locations, and who does he expect will collect taxes to support the country? This most basic of lack of understanding scares the hell out of me if he were to become president. Also, both of these agencies are executive branch, so it is within the power of the president to actually follow through with this.

      He also said he is going to pardon Snowden, which would be a very big mistake. Snowden committed treason, he may have revealed some things that might have been illegal or unconstitutional, but he also caused many problems worldwide. Snowden revealed how the NSA tracked Russia, which led to this:

      https://www.theguardian.com/wo...

      which caused the annexation of Crimea and the Eastern Ukraine issues. Snowden has Ukrainian blood on his hands.

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    41. Re:Lifting candidates by Coren22 · · Score: 1

      This is the weirdest election I can remember though, it is three right wingers versus the Green party (I don't know enough of their platform to say right or left). Hillary is way right, I am amazed that the Democratic party can even support her.

      http://uselectionatlas.org/FOR...

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    42. Re:Lifting candidates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did anyone ever vote for Dick Cheney? Cheney was the VP, not the President, so people were very likely voting for Bush, not Cheney. Also, that incident happened in 2006, the last ticket that had Cheney on it was in 2004, so likely no one has voted for him since the shooting happened.

  15. It was the AOL team by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They hacked him.

  16. Good thing we have the Ruskies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're blaming them for all the problems in the world now, right? Or is it China? North Korea? Terrorists? Lots of bogeymen to scare the population with. Doesn't really matter - just need bad guys to blame. Should be able to fund all sorts of spy craft stuff and take some more freedoms away. For the children!

  17. Powell's Email by Residentcur · · Score: 1

    Is Colin Powell still using an AOL account? Seems to me a well-maintained private server stands a much better chance of eluding or resisting hacking than this ancient cloud service. Security through obscurity works very well until it doesn't, and it appears that Clinton's server was never successfully hacked. Which means nothing was exposed to the public except through the court-ordered broadcasts of virtually all of it after the fact, whether or not things were on there that arguably should not have been. Sigh.

    1. Re:Powell's Email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Security through obscurity works very well until it doesn't, and it appears that Clinton's server was never successfully hacked.

      Because state-sponsored hackers totally leave behind evidence of their intrusions.

    2. Re:Powell's Email by amiga3D · · Score: 0

      The funniest thing to me about the private server, with all the blabbering about it being secure or not, was that the guy maintaining it had no security clearance at all. You can't make this shit up! I remember how fucking draconian they were about security and classified material when I was in the US Air Force and it makes me crazy. How people at the top just blow that shit off while they fucking ream your ass out, taking stripes and giving out bad conduct discharges for minor violations to the peons at the bottom. I fucking hate these people. It's not about Repuke and Dumbcrats it's about the fucking elitist assholes that grind everyone under them under their bullshit while they do whatever the fuck they want and look at you like "How dare you question me?"

      Sorry about the rant. I just wish this fucking election was over.

    3. Re:Powell's Email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Hypocratic Ladder: Do what I say not as I do.
      The only way to get off is not to give them your confidence.
      If you give them confidence you just make their ladder stronger.

    4. Re:Powell's Email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gmail. And his credentials were in the recent Dropbox leak, so this was probably a simple case of password reuse. Trivial to exploit.

    5. Re:Powell's Email by Residentcur · · Score: 1

      No security clearance needed: it's completely against all the rules, and HRC knew it, to trade in secure information by regular email. As far as I know, all the messages that appear to have violated the restriction were sent by others, copied to government servers as well, and either marked poorly or classified after the fact, over the objections of her and her staff. But lessons learned, for sure.

  18. Saddam and WMDs by unixisc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A lot of countries opposed toppling Saddam - Russia, France, Saudi Arabia, et al. Why didn't they produce evidence that Iraq did not have WMDs? Truth is that Iraq wanted to put out the impression that it had WMDs as a deterrence to Iran, w/o having them. Instead, the US took those hints and took out their regime.

    FWIW, my only opposition to Saddam Hussein was his support to Hamas against Israel, and his $25k reward for each suicide bomber in Israel. I had nothing against his having WMDs or even using them (except against the Kurds). I had nothing against his annexing Kuwait, a completely useless country whose citizens have forgotten and who now commit Jihad acts against Americans, like the guy in Chattanooga. He was a useful deterrence to Iran, which is today a quasi superpower of the region. Now, the only obstacle to Iran's domination there is ISIS!!!

    1. Re:Saddam and WMDs by Boronx · · Score: 5, Informative

      They did produce evidence. The UN inspectors had free run of the country for several months prior to the war. In their own words, the US evidence was "shit". Of course they found no evidence of an ongoing weapons program, because there was none.

      In any case, the US never has produced any real evidence, before or after for their WMD claims.

      They had cryptic radio intercepts.
      They had satellite pictures of trucks leaving buildings.
      They had unknown chemical processing trucks (turned out to be hydrogen production. The design was known, but not by Powell.).
      They had aluminum tubes.

      For hard evidence, that's all they had.

    2. Re:Saddam and WMDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Per the terms ending the Gulf War the onus was on Saddam to provide evidence of the destruction of his stores of WMDs. He avoided that responsibility and obstructed inspectors as a matter of course. He tried to play both sides and it bit him in the ass -- the lack of evidence was evidence.

    3. Re:Saddam and WMDs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the lack of evidence was evidence.

      Riiiiiiiiiiight

    4. Re:Saddam and WMDs by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Why didn't they produce evidence that Iraq did not have WMDs

      Many did.
      One from Australia quit his intelligence job (preparing reports on Iraq) and ran for the Senate with the argument that Iraq did not have WMDs and the war was based on a lie. He was not just some Snowden but had served for twenty years reached the rank of lieutenant colonel and had also worked for Raytheon.
      He was in the Australian Senate for a few years and is in now Member of the Australian Parliament for Denison and his name is Andrew Wilkie.

    5. Re:Saddam and WMDs by Boronx · · Score: 1

      False. Saddam issued a report that he had no WMD program. Afterwards, he allowed UN inspectors free run of the country, including his palaces, without warning.

  19. Wait for it by Dunbal · · Score: 1

    Russia blamed in 5, 4, 3, 2...

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    1. Re:Wait for it by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      Hey, everybody's doing it.

    2. Re:Wait for it by T.E.D. · · Score: 1

      "blamed"? Um, OK. This was posted on the same Russian-backed website by the same Russian hacker group. That's like whining about a political candidate being "blamed" for an ad they ran on TV.

      Not that there's anything all that surprising in what the guy said. He doesn't like Hilz, but is going to vote for her anyway, because Trump is a disgrace to the nation. Pretty much the same position anyone who's honestly studied both candidates comes to. Big whoop.

  20. He's a person who's worth voting but not running by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would vote for Mr. Powell. He has all the characteristics of a true centerist (what I believe the president should be). He's a coalition builder a strong voice of reason. His only minor faults are that he is slightly tainted by the invasion of Iraq. I truly feel he was duped by middle managers. Why can't either party field a candidate anything like him? What we are left with is a dirty douche and a turd sandwich.

  21. Dubya Will Be Harder by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He uses Jack Daniels instead of Ethernet or 56k-modem!

    Ha ha

  22. Let's re-visit Powell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    First, to be clear, he was by all accounts a great line officer in Vietnam (long before he had stars in his collar)

    Now onto the rest of his record:

    After the Vietnam war, he went to Washington DC and took a White House fellowship, placing himself on the political track. Flag officers in the US generally fall into two categories: The political ones who dream of politics and the Pentagon, and warriors who want command of armies, naval fleets, etc. The political ones either slowly washout as they fail to fit-in with all the politicians at the swanky parties, or they become common names in the beltway who know, and are known by, all the politicians. The ones who "make it" are the ones who learn to parrot all the right political rhetoric fed to them by their masters and gradually become detached from the rank-and-file soldiers, sailors, airmen, and marines

    The elder Bush was ecstatic to have a high-profile black general and made him chairman of the joint chiefs. In his role under Bush41, he was they guy who pushed the idea of stopping the elimination of Saddam's forces as they ran from Kuwait on the "highway of death" and also the idea of NOT finishing the first Gulf war. This bad policy left Saddam in power, with enough military to be a pest, and with only a cease-fire in place that the allies would have to enforce and that Saddam would increasingly violate over the next decade, contributing to Bush43 feeling the need to get side-tracked into Iraq post-9/11. Saddam was shooting at American and British airmen on nearly a daily basis by the end of the Clinton administration (since Bill had been unwilling to slap him down). With Saddam becoming more belligerent and allied sanctions collapsing, Bush43 probably felt more pressure to do something big to finish his Dad's (and Powell's) mess post 9/11

    Powell's public persona, built-up largely by fawning press coverage, meant that BOTH political parties talked about him as a political candidate for a few years, which is a hint that his politics are extremely flexible, as are those of most political generals and admirals (see: admiral Kirby, who seems related to Bagdhad Bob).

    Bush43 made Powell his secretary of state, where Powell as a political general was willingto say anything his politician master told him to say. Remember the UN speech about mobile chem labs? A non-political general might have been more skeptical, asked a few questions, and resisted when it turned out that the intel depended on a source so unreliable he was called "curveball".

    Powell was the guy who invoked the "Pottery Barn Rule" (expressed as "you break it, you own it") in Iraq. His idea was that the American people needed to re-build Iraq after the war - this lead to the decade long effort of "nation building" which cost many lives and many billions of dollars to try to restore Iraq to a condition it never had in the first place. Without Powell's policies, the US military would have come home as soon as Saddam Hussien was dead.

    Read the guy's e-mails. It's quite clear he's no fan of average white people (he's fine with white elites, just not the average white taxpayer/voter) and while he calls Trump a racist for getting involved with "birtherism", he ignores the well-established FACT that Hillary's 2008 campaign started the whole thing. While SOME "birthers" probably are racists, just like many BLM types are, MANY Americans fell into the "birther" camp when they became aware that [1] Obama's own literary agent was promoting him as "born in Kenya" up until 2007, and [2] for some odd reason they could not otherwise understand, Obama was keeping his birth certificate hidden unlike any previous president. Those 2 things did not mean there was any truth to the Kenya thing, but average people did not have any other explanation, and could not imagine that Obama was actually cleverly using this to tar ALL his opponents as nutty racists (he COULD have just produced the document while running for office, as Hillary and Donald are doing with health stuff, in 2008 rather than

  23. Shill to Normie ratio is pushing 10:1 in here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Ahh, nobody likes Hilary because {#Choose_One_Heinous_Reason}"

    "Hey, {#Alternate_Heinous_Disqualifier_List}! So you better not vote Trump!!"

    "Hey guys, what about Johnson? He seems pretty dec'"

    "Trump"! "Vote Trump!" "Trump"
    "Hillary!" "Vote Hillary!" "Hillary"

    "Not Johnson! {#Reference_Aleppo_Gaff}"
    "{#Reference_Aleppo_Gaff}"
    "{#Reference_Aleppo_Gaff}"
    "...Not Johnson"

    "..."
    "..."

    [Me: Where are their shill farms located? Can we publicly shame soms folks out of a job, or are these third world poor they're exploiting? (Because they're not so easy to leverage if they're doing to eat.)]

  24. Powell did not say who he was voting for by shanen · · Score: 2

    Your comment has a false subject. Powell has said he will not yet say who he is voting for.

    Your body is also highly questionable. I remember watching at least one speech in which Powell endorsed then-Senator Obama, but I don't remember anything that approximated "enthusiastic supporter". Nor do I recall any of the marks of enthusiasm such as actively campaigning for Obama or speaking at the Democratic convention. According to my research just now, Powell only made his endorsement two weeks before the election in 2008.

    One obvious lie and a highly questionable comment in such a short comment? Let me predict you are a Trump supporter, and in that case the only relevant question is "Who do you hate most?" Every Trump supporter I've met so far has been a deplorable hater, and I can only pity them. Maybe some of them can grow into less hate-filled people?

    Powell is a realist. His assessment of Hillary was not particularly favorable, though I'm not sure how they compare with his personal assessment of Obama. However, it is clear that his personal assessment of Trump is extremely negative. He personally might well prefer the positions of Johnson on many issues, but he knows America has a winner-take-all system, so I predict that he will ultimately endorse Hillary or say nothing.

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  25. Trumpists will never catch up with DT's lies by shanen · · Score: 0

    You are lying, but rather than trying to clarify the lies so you can repeat them more loudly, I'll just ask the only question of relevance to a Trump supporter:

    Who do you hate most?

    I think such hate-filled people are rather deplorable, but I can only pity them and hope they grow up to become less full of hate.

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    1. Re:Trumpists will never catch up with DT's lies by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      You are morally superior to your political opponents because of emotions.

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    2. Re:Trumpists will never catch up with DT's lies by shanen · · Score: 1

      Was that a confession? If so, typical incoherence from a Trump supporter, and I still want to know who you hate most.

      (Not really, but it's the closest approach to a polite conversation that is possible with a devout Trumpist.)

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  26. Anthrax by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    The summary totally ignores Powell's extremely critical remarks about Hillary, her lies, manipulation, and the public exploitation of his name against his wishes.

    A lie of omission is still a lie, and that you choose to ignore these facts makes them all the more critical to examine.

    I guess she should have waved around a bottle of 'anthrax' to justify all that bullshit.

  27. Good by TheCarp · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Couldn't happen to a more deserving person. I hope every single Washington gang criminal has every secret they ever had leaked.

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  28. Proves politicians are idiots with technology by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Powell use AOL which says a lot on his technology knowledge. Nancy Pelosi also was hacked, another clueless politician who obviously never took precautions for her email. Incredible they whine and complain when they are hacked and yet it could have been prevented. For people like politicians, criminals, terrorists and other people who would rather not have a open platform to display all their ugliness in emails. Maybe email is not for them, because data is just too hard for them to erase. Unless you Hillary Clinton who eventually finds answers and get's a scrubber for her server drives. One that even the FBI can't do anything with. Maybe these idiots will wake up some day to technology and how it can linger for years and haunt you at the wrong time. I'm not very political but neither Presidential candidate seems capable of really breathing positive life into the Presidency. Clinton is crooked, and Trump is the outsider shunned by both parties.

  29. The problem w/ nation building by unixisc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The reason nation building worked post WWII was that the countries involved already had democratic traditions, and self criticism, while somewhat new, was something those countries were capable of. The US didn't sit down to write constitutions from scratch - as far as West Germany went, they sat down and put together the list of things that Germans could not do. Things like putting together a constitution was something that the West Germans did, and it was nothing similar to the Third Reich. Same w/ Italy - no semblance to the Mussolini regime that had been overthrown.

    That's a totally different situation from Afghanistan and Iraq. Like the mission of Operation Enduring Freedom was to topple the Taliban. What followed? The creation of a constitution in Afghanistan that states that no law shall contravene the rules of Sharia. So the same issues that one had in Afghanistan w/ the Taliban are just bound to return, and the only thing there is that the regime is not anti-US as the Taliban was. Spending billions on the reconstruction of Afghanistan to win 'hearts & minds' has bombed. How do you win the hearts & minds of people who have neither?

    In Iraq, Saddam was toppled, w/ the naïve assumption that the replacement regime would be a Jeffersonian democracy, w/ Shi'ites and Sunnites singing Kumbaya. It never happened, and the reason it can't happen is that those 2 have a historical rivalry dating back to after the death of Mohammed. Like the fable of the 4 geniuses who put together a lion w/o stopping to think that the revived lion would eat them (or Trump's narration of Al Wilson's song 'The Snake' at his rallies), none of the geniuses in either the State Department or outside it stopped to consider that if the Shi'ites came to power in Baghdad, you'd have a Shi'ite Crescent of Teheran, Baghdad, Damascus and partially Beirut (w/ Hizbullah).

    Allying w/ either side in this conflict - Shi'ite or Sunnite - is idiotic. None of them are our allies. While Obama deserves to be faulted for the Iran deal and a restrained policy towards Iranian boats taunting US Navy vessels in the Gulf, Bush too deserves to be faulted for regarding Saudi Arabia and Qatar as allies. The issue w/ Bush/Powell/Rice was that he saw them as 'people of faith', even though the faith in question is a barbaric one. Obama/Clinton/Kerry's problem is that when the Arab Spring started, they continued the Bush doctrine policies of 'promoting democracy' by supporting the Arab Spring, w/ disastrous results.

    What was worse was letting Qatar and Saudi Arabia guide their policy on Syria. Granted - Bashar al Assad was no saint, but he wasn't running a genocide in his country when it all started. If anything, he was trying to reform things so that opposition to his regime from the Sunnis would decrease. However, the Saudis and Qataris wanted to replace his regime w/ a Sunni one in Damascus, and tried to first get the US to agree, and then used the Arab Spring as a pretext to support it. It's not like they were clean either - Bahrein too wanted democracy, and Saudi troops marched in to prop up the Hanafas. Anyway, they all started supporting their own favorite factions - be it the Free Syrian Army, Khorasan, and so on, and plunged that country into civil war.

    The point I was making was that everyone who supported nation building, as well as getting rid of dictators and replacing them w/ whoever the people wanted, turned out to be wrong. The intervention in Libya, which was supported not just by Hilary & Obama but also by McCain and a whole bunch of Republicans across the board: they only turned on that policy once it turned south. This despite the fact that one of the few benefits of the Iraq war was Gadaffi voluntarily ending his WMD program, and doing what he could to restore relations w/ the West. Yeah, he was evil, but there was no reason to support his ouster when he was on a reformation trajectory. Now, Cyrenaica is completely under the control of ISIS, and Tripoli has a regim

    1. Re:The problem w/ nation building by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of you said. One thing I wonder is what the aftermath of "crushing ISIS" looks like.

      ISIS is the most Islamic government since Mohammed. It is what these people want. Saddam was keeping a lid on that with his dictatorship. Once liberated from his rule and asked "so, what kind of government do you people want?" they answered "Sharia!" If we eliminate the leadership of ISIS and "liberate" the people, aren't they just going to want the same damn thing again? So, what do we do, install another brutal dictator to keep them secular?

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    2. Re:The problem w/ nation building by unixisc · · Score: 1

      That's precisely the point. Destroying ISIS is needed b'cos they have global ambitions - like making the whole world their caliphate. And it's not like they are not succeeding - they have affiliates in all sorts of Muslim countries who treat them as a legitimate caliphate - Boko Haram in West Africa, some Jihadi group in Bangladesh, Abu Sayyaf in the Philippines, the Islamic movement of Uzbekistan, et al.

      But beyond that, just make it difficult for them to penetrate non Muslim lands. Like Trump's original Muslim ban idea, or even his modified recent proposals that you have to love America to be allowed here is a good one. Since there is no way of psychically determining which Muslims are Jihadis and which ones are MINOs, a good move would be to crush ISIS, destroy their internet access (so that they can't convert Westerners online and send them off to commit Jihadist terror attacks) but beyond that, leave the region completely. Let the Arabs, Turks, Iranians and Kurds fight it out. If there is a bloodbath, don't allow any refugees out of the region

    3. Re:The problem w/ nation building by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      But if you "crush ISIS," and then leave, ISIS 2 Electric Boogaloo pops right up in its place because that's what the people there want. It's not a thing imposed from outside, oppressing the people.

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    4. Re:The problem w/ nation building by unixisc · · Score: 1

      People can support ISIS version anything that they want. Just make it clear that if they try inspiring Jihad attacks in the West, they'd be on target to be wiped out

  30. Re: Powell can't bring himself to vote for Hillar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Being a corrupt hag does not bode well for Hillary.

  31. "buzzfeed reported" by bobmajdakjr · · Score: 1

    what a world we live in today where that combination of words can be taken serious.

  32. Lack of both sides by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is always interesting to me when something like this comes out, and articles or posts only highlight what would make one side look bad. The media is doing it a lot with this one, with very few sights showing or highlighting what he had to say about Hillary as well. He had this to say abut Clinton, but you don't see it in many stories:

    I would rather not have to vote for her, although she is a friend I respect. A 70-year person with a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational, with a husband still d---ing bimbos at home.

  33. Powell as a Democrat? by shanen · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure they would have been able to stop him. Powell has the overwhelmingly most important characteristic that ought to be required for the job of president: He doesn't want it.

    Too bad that's not how it works these days. Now personally wanting the presidential powers seems to be the #1 trait of all of the serious candidates (with the apparent exception of Bernie).

    However, when you do the math, I don't think the superdelegates would have been sufficient to stop him. If Powell had a more flexible (AKA less military) mindset, then I think he would have been an overwhelmingly attractive ex-Republican candidate for a lot of unhappy Democrats and crossover Republicans. The 3-way debates with him, Bernie, and Hillary would have been especially entertaining and quite competitive with Trump's antics and tantrums. Actually, if Powell were more true to his sound principles, then he's had plenty of good reasons and opportunities to leave the so-called Republican Party going back many years.

    Perhaps the sad part is that a relatively nice guy like Powell would have had no chance running for the nomination of today's so-called Republican Party. Powell is no part of that brand hijack, but he is too inflexible to give up the meaningless label, and even though it is abundantly clear he has no constructive influence there. He let Dubya use him up, and I would wager that most of the so-called Republican voters now view him with disdain or even contempt.

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    1. Re:Powell as a Democrat? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Oh, sorry, I thought that this was about about Trump running as a Democrat, not Powell. Too many pronouns!

    2. Re:Powell as a Democrat? by shanen · · Score: 1

      Okay, I see how you got confused, and I think it is mostly my fault. I basically took "Powell" as the primary focus of this branch of the thread, but the Subject: line is not always noticed and the context had become ambiguous there.

      It does raise an interesting point of confusion, but I don't see how to unravel it. I still can't understand how or why Trump got into this politics thing in the first place. One somewhat persuasive theory says it started as a publicity stunt or negotiating tactic that went pear shaped.

      I am absolutely unable to believe that his [Trump's] campaign reflects any ideological or philosophical positions. Near as I can tell, he's been on every side of every issue at some point, sometimes spanning years, but there are times he reverses himself within seconds... Pretty clear that the reports of him repeating whatever he heard last make sense, and there is also his apparent tendency to say anything that is audience wants to hear.

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  34. The other candidates by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Who is Darrell Castle? I know of Ed Mullins - the rallying point of Republican anti-Trumpers like George Will, who is stuck w/ a placeholder VP in most states, he's so brilliant!

    Why do some of these pundits think that if neither Hilary nor Trump gets a majority and that the election goes to Congress where Republicans retain a majority, that they'd prefer Mullins or Johnson over Trump, who clearly was the overwhelming favorite of Republicans?

  35. Funny coincidence. by galabar · · Score: 1

    Just like this post: http://www.foxnews.com/politic...

  36. Since you asked: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I do not hate ANYBODY.

    I do hate the destruction heaped onto our nation by the Bush family, the Clinton family, and Barack Obama.

    Hillary is the worse half of the Clinton duo, but I do not hate her. She's been on a decades-long power trip and probably needs some pity, but my opposition to her has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with wanting to limit the damage to the country.

    SHE was the one who pushed for "Hillary Care" in the 1990s which would have made it illegal for Americans to persue healthcare outside of government-approved channels, and rationed access to doctors indirectly and stealthily by having the government limit the number of students allowed to go into medicine and deciding which specialties they could study [you can limit government spending on hip replacementsby not training enough docs to do them and then the backlog gets so long that most people give up or die before getting one]. Her plan actually said healthcare was too expensive because we had too many doctors! You can bet the elites would have gotten loopholes to allow them to fly to other countries for care or have "concierge doctors". She rolled-out her proposal with lots of flowery and hopeful rhetoric like Obama would later use for Obamacare, but then documents leaked out and those of us who read them were shocked. The documents prover her sales job was completely dishonest. It became easy to rally the public to oppose that nightmare, but unfortunately it taught the Obama team a lesson and they did a much better job pushing the bad-but-far-better-than-Hillarycare Obamacare.

    She's the one who fired the non-partisan carreer government employees at the White House who made all travel arrangements for staff and the press corps [under both Republican and Democrat presidents] in order to plug in a private company run by her friends who had also contributed to her husband's campaign. When this blew up and became PR disaster, she hid documents, lied, and testified that she had "no recollection" of key matters. Sound familiar? Google "travelgate"

    She was involved in the Clinton's illegally raising campaign cash from the Chinese, while opening trade with China and encouraging American companies to outsource to China. She was just amazingly unable to recall any of the details of those fundraisers, while a bunch of the Chinese nationals involved fled the US.

    She is the one who in the 1990s hid documents the courts were seeking in the first lady's area of the White House until after the statute of limitations expired. When the documents then amazingly surfaced, she claimed to be unable to recall how they got there. Sound familiar?

    She is a bad, crooked lawyer who has been lying and hiding documents and claiming memory failures for as long as I can recall. She and Bill started the current avalanche of lawlessness in which the federal government applies the laws differently to us than to the elites and if this continues much longer the public will lose any remaining faith in law --- and when THAT happens, LOOK OUT. Very bad things happen toordinary people when societies fall apart.

    Hillary is not a fine wine. Time has NOT improved her. She now lies about lying about lies. It's just amazing to see her on TV telling a journalist that she always "tries" to tell the truth and doesnot believe she has EVER lied to the American people....

    Some Trump supporters, like me, are behind him for a basic reason: She has been given government power and proved repeatedly that she cannot be trusted with it. Trump never has done this. He is the lesser of two evils in this awful election cycle.

    Electing trump is like playing Russian Roulette with a revolver with one bullet loaded. Electing Hillary is like playing Russian Roulette with an AK-47 with a full magazine.