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Yahoo Confirms Massive Data Breach, 500 Million Users Impacted [Updated] (recode.net)

Update: 09/22 18:47 GMT by M :Yahoo has confirmed the data breach, adding that about 500 million users are impacted. Yahoo said "a copy of certain user account information was stolen from the company's network in late 2014 by what it believes is a state-sponsored actor." As Business Insider reports, this could be the largest data breach of all time. In a blog post, the company said:Yahoo is notifying potentially affected users and has taken steps to secure their accounts. These steps include invalidating unencrypted security questions and answers so that they cannot be used to access an account and asking potentially affected users to change their passwords. Yahoo is also recommending that users who haven't changed their passwords since 2014 do so. The Intercept reporter Sam Biddle commented, "It took Yahoo two years to announce that info on half a billion user accounts was stolen." Amid its talks with Verizon for a possible acquisition -- which did happen -- Yahoo knew about the attack, but didn't inform Verizon about it, Business Insider reports. Original story, from earlier today, follows.

Last month, it was reported that a hacker was selling account details of at least 200 million Yahoo users. The company's service had apparently been hacked, putting several hundred million users accounts at risk. Since then Yahoo has remained tight-lipped on the matter, but that could change very soon. Kara Swisher of Recode is reporting that Yahoo is poised to confirm that massive data breach of its service. From the report: While sources were unspecific about the extent of the incursion, since there is the likelihood of government investigations and legal action related to the breach, they noted that it is widespread and serious. Earlier this summer, Yahoo said it was investigating a data breach in which hackers claimed to have access to 200 million user accounts and was selling them online. "It's as bad as that," said one source. "Worse, really." The announcement, which is expected to come this week, also possible larger implications on the $4.8 billion sale of Yahoo's core business -- which is at the core of this hack -- to Verizon. The scale of the liability could be large and bring untold headaches to the new owners. Shareholders are likely to worry that it could lead to an adjustment in the price of the transaction.

169 comments

  1. Great News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    That means I can finally get my account details back. I've been trying to find out my password for years!

    1. Re:Great News by Tablizer · · Score: 1, Funny

      ...finally get my account details back. I've been trying to find out my password for years!

      Found it for you: dum6@ssTr011

    2. Re:Great News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That means I can finally get my account details back. I've been trying to find out my password for years!

      Except if you don't login for six months or a year, your account is disabled, and since mid-2013, 'recycled'. If you cannot register it again, it most likely has been registered by someone else.

      If you're serious, hopefully you didn't use it for anything important or personal.

    3. Re: Great News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just recovered mine. I had a single spam message about Canadian meds and a welcome to a group message. I hope the hackers enjoy Freecycle.

      Also, according to Yahoo News tech section, the only big stories are about Allo spying on you and iPhones don't have headphone Jacks anymore. All is well in Yahoo land. Nothing to see here, move along.

    4. Re:Great News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol me too. changed my friggin password while i was drunk years ago.

    5. Re: Great News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my country I had a bit more "relevant" news but they recently (?) put auto-playing video when you load an "article" in a tab. It wastes a lot of CPU and it plays forever, switching to something else, and multiplied by number of tabs.

  2. 200 Million Yahoo "Users" by lowkeyknight · · Score: 1

    Not, one assumes, active accounts.

    1. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't they store all the passwords salted and hashed anyway?

      You know, like any business with at least a child's level of competence does?

    2. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by ledow · · Score: 1, Informative

      200m user details stored in one place that can get hacked?

      I wouldn't hold your breath here.

      At most, you'd expect some kind of isolated authentication service, separate from the rest of their servers but I doubt it.

      If someone has just sucked it out of a SQL table, the chances of it being properly hashed and salted are minimal. And the chances they used MD5 - which even hashed and salted is cracked beyond belief nowadays - rather than something sensible? Minimal.

    3. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      at least a child's level of competence

      You are assuming a lot here. This is an internet company.

    4. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by DrXym · · Score: 2

      Yahoo has been running for decades now. Even if in recent years they'd been salting and using key stretching / slow hashes to protect new users it might not necessarily protect somebody who created their account in 1999. The only way Yahoo could improve the security of these accounts is a mandatory password change at the next login, nag active users to change their passwords, or wait for users to change the password themselves. At present Yahoo are nagging users to change their password.

    5. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      The only way Yahoo could improve the security of these accounts is a mandatory password change at the next login, nag active users to change their passwords, or wait for users to change the password themselves.

      Or they could, you know, just stop hosting flash ads on the webmail page. At least then it would appear that they don't actually want user accounts to be easily harvested in an untraceable fashion by unknown unscrupulous parties.

    6. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by bughunter · · Score: 1

      Lately, Yahoo has been nagging me to not use anything but their official apps and web interface to access my email. I guess this news is why.

      Screw that. I pay $20/yr for SMS/IMAP access to my email there. That means I get to use Thunderbird and iOS Mail, and they get to keep their servers secure.

      I use Yahoo mail regularly, mostly for job search and other official biz. I joined years ago and was able to get [firstname].[lastname]@yahoo.com for each member of my family when they started allowing the dot to be used left of the 'at.'

      (For personal email and website registrations I use my earthlink address.)

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    7. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Huh,

      I don't pay and I access via pop when I get home and fire off my email.

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    8. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by Bosconian · · Score: 1

      Not sure about SMS mail, but Yahoo has opened up IMAP for quite a while -- about 5 years or so.

      Mail Plus is gone and replace by "Yahoo Ad-Free Mail" which gives:

              No text or graphical ads in Yahoo Mail on desktop browsers.
              The account will not go inactive.

      https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN3...

      "The Yahoo Mail Plus premium service has been replaced by Ad Free Mail. If you're still subscribed to your original Yahoo Mail Plus account, here's what to expect when it automatically renews.

      Automatic renewal

      Once your Yahoo Mail Plus account has been renewed, it will transition to Yahoo Ad Free Mail. You'll still enjoy your email without ads, but at the price you've always paid (new Yahoo Ad Free Mail accounts cost $49.99 / year).

      You don't have to do anything. As long as your account with Yahoo is in good standing, you'll continue to renew for $19.99 each year on your anniversary date."

      Anyway, I don't think they put signature ads in SMTP mail, and adblock works pretty well for Yahoo free (old basic HTML 4 interface).

      I get the occasional "can't log in" on mobile and Apple Mail, but feh... works well enough.

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    9. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by omnichad · · Score: 1

      And the chances they used MD5 - which even hashed and salted is cracked beyond belief nowadays - rather than something sensible? Minimal.

      Can't re-hash an old password without forcing a reset or waiting until the user logs in. I would easily believe Yahoo probably has 500 million accounts that have been dormant since before MD5 was useless.

    10. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The premise of this statement is false. While it is true that one cannot *re*-hash a password without forcing a reset or waiting until a user logs in, one can absolutely "wrap" the old password hash inside a new hash, which provides the very same level of protection as a newly-hashed password would, and still enables the user to log-in with the old password (at which time the wrapped hashes should be replaced with a single hash that is calculated with the most recent method). In fact, this type of wrapping can be done ad infinitum, and anybody who is responsible for managing passwords should be using this technique.

    11. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      False. One hash can be wrapped inside another, ad infinitum, and if you are managing passwords in any capacity, it is frightening that you are not aware of this fact. In other words, any time Yahoo upgraded its hashing algorithm, it should have wrapped any obsoleted password hash using the newest algorithm.

    12. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by NotAPK · · Score: 1

      "One hash can be wrapped inside another, ad infinitum"

      Do you count how many times the hash has to be applied? And store that?

      Or do you keep hashing and matching until you get a result? How many times do you do this before giving up?

    13. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by plover · · Score: 1

      According to their breach FAQ, the stolen data included "hashed passwords (the vast majority with bcrypt) ". I don't know what "the vast majority" means, nor do I know what alternate form of hashing may have been done prior to their adoption of bcrypt that they're still hanging on to.

      I do know that the only reason I still have an active Yahoo! account is because of their OAuth support. Well that's pretty much in the crapper now, isn't it?

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    14. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by elrous0 · · Score: 2

      Ain't that the luck...and just when Marissa was on the verge of turning that company back into a powerhouse again.

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    15. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Definitely a sound technique, but even at the size of Yahoo, I'm not sure if this would have happened. The transition to something like SHA1 probably happened long enough ago, that MD5 was still relatively secure.

    16. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by BenFenner · · Score: 1

      There is another way to move to modern solutions without inconveniencing the users. I know, because I've just implemented it on a system I work with.

      How to move from a plaintext or otherwise insecure password storage system to a modern solution:
      1) The user tries to log in.
      2) Check if they've already had their password updated to your more secure solution. (Salt is the correct length? or similar)
      3) Assuming they are using the old style, authenticate the user with the old style of authentication, keeping their password around in memory.
      4) Update their password hash, salt, IV, etc. in the database at this time since you have the password in memory as cleartext as if they were a new user being created.
      5) Present the user with the normal landing page.

      1) The user tries to log in.
      2) Check if they've already had their password updated to your more secure solution. (Salt is the correct length? or similar)
      3) Assuming they are using the new style, authenticate the user with the new style of authentication.
      4) Present the user with the normal landing page.


      This seamlessly updates users to the new style as the log in. Eventually, you can get rid of the old style of authentication and clean things up after some time. Send e-mails to those still using the old style to log in (haven't logged in during your transition period) soon or their account will expire. If expiring account sis not an option, then you will have to reset passwords, but only the rarely used accounts that didn't participate in the transition period.

    17. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by slashcross · · Score: 2

      200m user details stored in one place that can get hacked?

      I wouldn't hold your breath here.

      At most, you'd expect some kind of isolated authentication service, separate from the rest of their servers but I doubt it.

      If someone has just sucked it out of a SQL table, the chances of it being properly hashed and salted are minimal. And the chances they used MD5 - which even hashed and salted is cracked beyond belief nowadays - rather than something sensible? Minimal.

      The notice from Yahoo claims that the passwords are hashed with bcrypt.

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    18. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder why companies don't keep their name/PW tuples on a dedicated, isolated DB server, ideally a cluster of VMs behind a load balancer. One can even do a primary/replica system where password changes are sent to a master machine, then that is propagated to the secondaries in some atomic fashion. This way, performance is less of an issue (a faster pipe can be added to the load balancer), more backend nodes can be added or repaired, and an attacker would have to spend time attacking just that specific cluster which is specially hardened in an attempt to pull out the hashes. For authentications, this can be easily handled by a REST API, and since it is done on a LAN, SSL/TLS isn't even needed if this is a performance bottleneck... just a HTTP GET request.

    19. Re: 200 Million Yahoo "Users" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You store that user's number of rounds in the table

    20. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by michelcolman · · Score: 2

      But apparently the security questions and answers were stored in plain text. That's like locking your front door with a triple lock, a fingerprint reader and iron bars but then leaving the ground floor window wide open with a neon sign "enter here" pointing to it. And then claiming that you take security seriously. And when someone enters, you don't tell anyone for two years because you're afraid your parents will find out.

    21. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by ledow · · Score: 2

      They should.

      It's literally best practice and the way any sensible organistion should do it. An authentication server is just that - it authenticates. Whether that's RADIUS or whatever else, it should do one job and do it well and have the minimum amount of access necessary to do that job.

      With someone like Yahoo's money and resources there is no excuse.

      And with an auth server farm, how do you get hacked? It has to be deliberate insider intrusion (i.e. someone who works on those machines). Done properly, even sniffing the entire network around it wouldn't do much and certainly wouldn't be able to affect older logons.

      If the auth servers were just doing auth, and nothing else, and isolated, and had a single "auth" port exposed that ran a limited-scope protocol that only returns the bare minimum of data, the scope for attack is almost zero. And you literally lock them away and don't let anyone but your most trusted engineers touch them.

      So it's quite obvious that all these places that do get hacked AREN'T running proper auth servers at all.

      Even Steam, when it had credit card data stolen, the data was encrypted (so nothing ever came of the data leak) but... how did they get that? Why is that not stored on a completely isolated system? Why were they able to get historical records rather than only those flying over the live network (which is, I admit, harder to secure)? It means it wasn't isolated and secured.

      Even CA's have had their root certificates compromised and you'd expect that to be the most secure thing in the world. Literally, make them on an offline computer, generate and sign some other root certs that you actually use, and then switch that thing off and never turn it on again unless you need it.

      But, in real life, despite all the posturing about security, none of this ever happens.

      The curse of general-purpose operating systems, general-purpose computers and even - as could happen in real life if people took your suggestion - using VM hypervisors as the gateway between your data and the VMs running the outside services (nothing wrong with VMs themselves, so long as the entire server farm was completely isolated from all the others - personally, for an auth farm, I'd use physical servers only to reduce the attack area even more).

    22. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by mrbester · · Score: 1

      I tried changing my password. Nope, only 8 - 16 alphanumeric characters allowed. Fucking losers. So, as I don't use the account anyway, how about deleting it? Nope, can't do that either. This is security?

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    23. Re:200 Million Yahoo "Users" by uncle+slacky · · Score: 1

      Same here - years ago I used to have to use a helper app called YahooPOPS! to access it in Thunderbird (other clients are available). When that was no longer updated I discovered that Yahoo! Asia for some reason would let you access via POP freely, so that's what I've done for the last 12 years or so.

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  3. how the hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    does a hacker siphoning off data on TWO HUNDRED MILLION users go undetected? did part of that bing search deal involve yahoo using microsoft servers or something?

    captcha: mistrust

    1. Re:how the hell... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      The backdoor is in the ad network where its always been. They never fix it they just keep saying they did.

    2. Re:how the hell... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      care to fully disclose this? shareholders can sue for negligence if this was a known problem.

    3. Re:how the hell... by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      Dude, all you have to do is dig up all the old slashdot articles about Yahoo. My anecdote is from past news that was made public.

      (Also, just FYI if you're not into XSS vulnerabilities and such, putting ANY 3rd party content, such as banner ads, onto a webmail portal renders it fundamentally insecure.)

  4. How can they wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    At least in the EU there is a law that punishes not informing users of a breach of their personal data within 24 hours. Not sure if that exists in the US too?

    1. Re:How can they wait? by ledow · · Score: 1

      There are notification requirements, yes.

      But nowhere does it say 24 hours.

    2. Re: How can they wait? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what defines when it's confirmed ? When it's suspected? When it's mostly clear ? When we're about to announce it ?

  5. 200 Million by tylervincent · · Score: 0

    200 Million users are on yahoo?

    1. Re:200 Million by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      one of their "co-branded" ISP deals was with AT&T (bought by SBC), and also "my AT&T" users were put into yahoo mail

  6. Verizon bill increase? by OffTheLip · · Score: 4, Funny

    I have this premonition my Verizon wireless bill is about to go up (again). Yahoo!

    1. Re:Verizon bill increase? by mystik · · Score: 1

      Of course the bill is going go up!

      Simply because today is a day that ends in 'y'

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  7. In related news... by bradley13 · · Score: 3, Informative

    When you now download Java from Oracle, it comes bundled with some sort of crapware from Yahoo.

    AFAIK this is very recent. I'm pretty sure it wasn't there even two weeks ago. Perhaps a last-ditch attempt to improve their numbers before the sale?

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    1. Re:In related news... by HBI · · Score: 1
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    2. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I installed the latest JRE on a new machine last week. There was no Yahoo crapware. I think you might want to reassess what you are installing and where you are obtaining it.

    3. Re:In related news... by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Can confirm. They're trying to change browser settings in the installer. It wasn't there last week when I did an install on my work machines.

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    4. Re:In related news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Download the version of Java intended for developers. They don't bundle crapware with that.

  8. Re:Yahoo has users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Where do millions Yahoo accounts suddenly come from?

    all AT&T email accounts are actually hosted by yahoo. Are they part of the breach as well?

  9. Darn... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean I have to change my 20+ year old password on my Yahoo account?

    1. Re:Darn... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

      In related news, this served to remind me that I actually have a Yahoo account.

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    2. Re:Darn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup - just signed back in with my old old old password and it made me change it to a new old old password.

    3. Re:Darn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No need to, I have you password and happy mail a reminder postcard case you are forgotten it. Please send you home address (and working hours you be away from home) to the email address, you well receive professional coorespondance soon: SlippyTheBandit@hotmale.com

    4. Re:Darn... by CODiNE · · Score: 1

      Mine was previously:
      password
      As 8 characters was considered safe back in the day. Now 20-30 is the standard so I've just upped it to:
      passwordpasswordpasswordpassword
      Should last me the next decade or so.

      (Note: it's perfectly safe to post this as nobody knows my email address)

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    5. Re:Darn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I've got it for you. Here you go:
                            creimer@yahoo.com // L1ttleSa$$yNugg3t ... aaand you're welcome.

    6. Re:Darn... by Razed+By+TV · · Score: 1

      No, it means you have to change your security questions on all of your other accounts (even if you told them you grew up in Mordor and your favorite color is octarine.)

    7. Re:Darn... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TIL people still use Yahoo! I haven't seen an @yahoo.com email address in the past decade.

    8. Re:Darn... by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I'm on several Yahoo groups, although the only ones formed in the past several years are obvious spam that someone enrolled me in.

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  10. Relax by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Relax...it's part of Yahoo's "Value Added" program where your sensitive account details are safely stored where everyone can freely access them. Just be glad they aren't charging extra for this feature.

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    1. Re:Relax by TheSouthernDandy · · Score: 1

      Just be glad they aren't charging extra for this feature.

      ...and now they are.

      Your tongue-in-cheek idea is at least as good as any Yahoo's executives have put forward in the last 5 years.

    2. Re:Relax by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 0

      and now they are.

      Your tongue-in-cheek idea is at least as good as any Yahoo's executives have put forward in the last 5 years.

      Wait, wait- Yahoo executives have had ideas??

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    3. Re:Relax by plover · · Score: 0

      and now they are.

      Your tongue-in-cheek idea is at least as good as any Yahoo's executives have put forward in the last 5 years.

      Wait, wait- Yahoo executives have had ideas??

      None that weren't some derivative of "what can we sell off this year?" or "Who can we find with that kind of money?"

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  11. Re:Yahoo has users? by Gumbercules!! · · Score: 1

    Maybe the last login date will be the 5th of March, 2001?

  12. Serious question about this by ErichTheRed · · Score: 1

    What is the root cause of most of these data breaches? I know in the Target and Home Depot cases, they hooked insecure embedded systems to their main network or enabled third party access for convenience that the hackers took advantage of. But what happens in cases like this? Does someone just exploit a security hole in a public facing service and go in from there? Or is it an inside job in most cases?

    1. Re:Serious question about this by HBI · · Score: 1

      Every case is different, but someone was able to take possession of a bastion inside their network and was able to access the account data and arrange for exfiltration of the account data over the network, and probably some other things. It almost assuredly wasn't someone handing over a USB drive full of Yahoo account data in a smoke-filled cafe or back alley. It could have been in their public facing side that the vulnerability was found, but it is much more likely to be in a peripheral system, perhaps a third party vendor as in previous breaches.

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    2. Re:Serious question about this by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Security is usually an afterthought for most technology implementations.

    3. Re:Serious question about this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The root cause is the massive aggregation of data, generally with no plan to use it in a way that benefits the user/client. Hackers can't steal data that isn't there to steal, and eventually anything worth stealing will be targeted.

      The value of their s data is mostly theoretical, but the cost of protecting it is real and ongoing. Thus, mishandling is virtually guaranteed.

    4. Re:Serious question about this by gweihir · · Score: 1

      The root-cause is almost universally greed and stupidity among the higher-ups, leading to

      - IT security people that are overworked, unappreciated and came from the pool of "cheapest possible"
            (as a result, everybody hates them, because they do no good, but prevent people from doing their work)
      - Lack of IT security people
      - Developers of security-critical software being "cheapest possible" or outsources in the same quality-class
      - System-administration being outsourced or overworked, and again "cheapest possible"
      - Bad work environment, so anybody really good leaves and the rest stop caring about the company
      - A culture where security must never stand in the way of earning money
      - A policy of "shoot the messenger" often also contributes a lot.

      If you think that Marissa messed this one up, then you are right on target. Of course she had help from the rest of the company "leaders" and Yahoo was in pretty bad shape even before she took over. Years back I had a domain with them, and 23 (!) different tech-support people did not understand what I meant when I wanted to run my own DNS servers. That was the last time ever I considered doing business with them.

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    5. Re:Serious question about this by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      It depends on the domestic, gov and legal media spin needed.
      Blame one or two distant nations seems to play well to the domestic press.
      Nations that can get in, stay in, move data but are so easy to detect just after an event...
      The insider threat just seems to be in the too hard basket for most to even think to ask about.
      Recall some of the past news events surrounding security and later findings.
      New Research Blames Insiders, Not North Korea, for Sony Hack (Dec. 30, 2014)
      http://time.com/3649394/sony-h...
      More Data on Attributing the Sony Attack
      https://www.schneier.com/blog/...
      For an outsider to get in, stay in, have free movement inside a network, get out with some amount of usable data? Not been detected?
      Or a walk out?

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  13. Re:Yahoo has users? by cloud.pt · · Score: 4, Informative

    until confirmation is out, you cannot be sure. But I put my money on also being part. One main perk of using a tech company for your services is they handle security. It is usually a requirement for the deal. Sometimes it might be the other way around but that depends on ATT's initial intentions (e.g. saving IT costs or keeping user data contained to themselves)... It also depends on privacy policies ATT may have made you abide to. If you want advanced details about a possible leak, you should probably read them agreements.

  14. Re:Yahoo has users? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Twenty years ago when Yahoo! was the biggest fish in the search pond before Google showed up?

  15. Yahoops? by Varka · · Score: 1

    I wonder if my ancient yahoo account is even active...

  16. Re:Which 3rd worlders did it THIS time?? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Its revenge for all the damage that 1st worlders inflicted on the world. Payback is a bitch.

  17. Job well done Marissa Mayer by JoeyRox · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    The only thing she's done right at Yahoo is wearing a short skirt.

    1. Re:Job well done Marissa Mayer by hcs_$reboot · · Score: 1

      In the CEO sphere, that's a notable achievement!

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    2. Re:Job well done Marissa Mayer by hambone142 · · Score: 1

      She obviously needs another raise for doing such a great job.

    3. Re:Job well done Marissa Mayer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Everyone is quick to tear her down, but she brought, at least for a while, a sense of change and betterment. Of course it was one failure after another after that, but I have to give her at least that.

  18. Re:Yahoo has users? by cmiller173 · · Score: 1

    There are a couple of yahoo groups I belong to that I still log into my yahoo account once or twice a week. Was going to switch one of them I moderate over to google groups, but google kill off the feature that allowed group members to upload a file to the group...

  19. Fortunately nothing of value was lost by sandbagger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yahoo never recovered from Google. (Who has?) This makes all of their side bets into creating a social media network out of Flickr, Tumblr starting with their purchase of EGroups ten or more years ago so interesting. They had enough stuff to make a critical mass of a social media platform but never had the vision to unify those disparate products into one single space.

    My guess is that there were a layer of vice presidents who each wanted to keep their own fifedoms and years of low level resistance prevented the 'Okay, let's turn this all into a single experience for the user'. They had a broad demographic spread over their different products but failed to reach ignition.

     

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    1. Re:Fortunately nothing of value was lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I used to *love* Flickr. It was a vibrant community of photographers and photographs, and the tool worked, didn't get in the way, and facilitated the sharing. About 5 years ago Yahoo decided to "improve" the UI and made it unusable. They killed off a perfect property. Fuckers.

    2. Re:Fortunately nothing of value was lost by NG+Resonance · · Score: 1

      Flickr/Yahoo backtracked a bit after rolling out the new UI and removed the most egregious aspects, but the site is still a far cry from what it once was. The tone-deafness and technical incompetence from management has been breathtaking, as every new change they make (I assume in an attempt to woo new users) only hemorrhages more of their core userbase. As a longtime Pro member, it's an awful shame.

    3. Re:Fortunately nothing of value was lost by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      Yahoo Finance is still the most popular in its category ...it's the one place where Yahoo still beats Google.

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    4. Re: Fortunately nothing of value was lost by untoreh+ · · Score: 1

      If google went the other way splitting g+ maybe a monolithic social network is not a good idea, it works for Facebook because first come first serve, that's it.

  20. Stagnation Damnation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yahoo stopped trying like 10 years ago and seemed to rely on the AOL portal business model. Didn't go well for AOL. Their competitors had better features from day 1 what did they think was going to happen. Yahoo isn't one of those "too big to fail" companies. Long slow death knell from a company that took advantage of the tech bubble hype while not actually striving to pioneer. Anyone can make a search engine or spider. Hell, give most of us a week and we can make something better than Yahoo lol.

  21. Biggest outcome from this... by will_die · · Score: 1

    The biggest outcome from this will be all the people who look over the list and then say "What? I still have a yahoo account."

  22. Re:Yahoo has users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are a couple of yahoo groups I belong to that I still log into my yahoo account once or twice a week. Was going to switch one of them I moderate over to google groups, but google kill off the feature that allowed group members to upload a file to the group...

    Rubbish! Google never killed off any products or features! That's heresy, I tell you!

  23. They've already tacitly admitted the breach by jenningsthecat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just recently I was prompted to change passwords on my two Yahoo accounts. I've had both for about 10 years and this is the first time I've seen this, so yeah, they're visibly doing something about it. Unfortunately, they waited an unacceptably long time, and they still weren't forcing the password change. That's not surprising, given that it's Yahoo, but it's still kinda disappointing.

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    1. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by jrumney · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, how exactly did they prompt you? I'm not sure the altavista.net email address I used to sign up with them is still valid, but I sure haven't checked it in 15 or more years.

    2. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I got the same prompt a couple of weeks ago after I logged in to Yahoo.

    3. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Hmmm.... I set up my current Yahoo account about 20 years ago, I think my most recent password change was about 2 years ago, I haven't received any notice of the breach from them... maybe it's in my Spam folder with 3,478,235 other messages.

    4. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two years ago was when the breach happened. Ergo, prompting a mandatory password change was the breach notification.

    5. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by plover · · Score: 1

      I remember I also had to change passwords on Yahoo! about two years ago.

      I believe there's a clue in their "Breach FAQ" where they state "the vast majority of passwords were hashed with bcrypt". It could be that their old passwords were protected with a less-secure older salting-and-hashing system, (maybe something like the original crypt() ) and by 2014 they had replaced it with bcrypt.

      But even an old crypt() hash can't simply be broken on demand without a lot of CPU grinding for every password recovered. Because the old passwords were hashed, there would have been no easy way for Yahoo! to automatically migrate them into bcrypt. So after the system conversion was complete, they prompted all users to change their old passwords so they would migrate themselves to the new bcrypt-based system. People who haven't logged in since 2014 probably still have the old original hashed passwords on file somewhere at Yahoo HQ..

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    6. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      Two years ago was when the breach happened. Ergo, prompting a mandatory password change was the breach notification.

      I just checked again, on a third Yahoo account I had almost forgotten about, and the password change is NOT mandatory. There may be a time-limited or login-limited period after which they force a password change, but for all I know users may be able to keep their compromised passwords until Yahoo implodes.

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    7. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by jenningsthecat · · Score: 1

      I'm curious, how exactly did they prompt you?

      After entering user name and password there is a screen that says "Make sure your account is secure! To secure your account, change your password and update your mobile number", followed by a large blue button with "Yes, secure my account" and small grey text below that saying "I'll secure my account later". Clicking on the latter asks for a mobile number, (hell no), and then proceeds to the Yahoo main page, from whence I click on the email link. Clicking on the former presents the usual two-field password entry, then proceeds to the mobile number prompt when matching new passwords are entered.

      The behaviour I see may be different from what others see - I don't allow JS to run when I'm on Yahoo. Their email interface sucks, but it actually sucks a little less when it can't do all the cutesy client-side crap their code-monkeys thought was good design. When I have to attach files I enable JS, then quickly disable it again.

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    8. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      Thats more about getting a mobile number :)
      Wonder how long the ability just to click pass that request will last?

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    9. Re:They've already tacitly admitted the breach by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      I just got the recent breach notice this morning.

  24. Personal anecdote by Tablizer · · Score: 1

    My wife had Yahoo email a couple of years ago.

    One day all the parents of our child's soccer team got an email that appeared to be from her hawking some cheesy product. She had to send an apology, explaining her email account was breached.

    1. Re:Personal anecdote by jrumney · · Score: 1

      My mother's ISP had just outsourced all their email to Yahoo a couple of months before that breach, a got a few spams from her address too. I think that was the beginning of the end for Yahoo. Until then, they were holding on, not really a big player anymore against Google, Microsoft and Amazon, but a few promising acquisitions like Flickr and del.icio.us showed they weren't ready to be written off. But since then, it has been all downhill, and the cynic in me wonders if there really was a hack this time, or this is a marketing announcement to remind everyone that they still have a Yahoo account.

    2. Re:Personal anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This happens to my mother with some regularity. Well-meaning friends tell her "OMG you've been hacked!" but I see no evidence of that. I only see spam/phishers with headers purporting to originate from her. Sometimes I get them purporting to be from myself.

      So I've been telling her, you've probably not been hacked, and there's probably nothing you can do to avoid being impersonated in metadata. Am I wrong to tell her that?

    3. Re:Personal anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This happened to me when I accidentally clicked a malicious link in a blog comment. I was logged in to my yahoo mail account in the same browser, and a spam message was immediately dispatched to every contact in my address book.

      I gather that some kind of browser exploit was used to hijack my Yahoo session.

    4. Re:Personal anecdote by Narcocide · · Score: 1

      No, you're not wrong to tell her that, but you should probably also caveat that someone she knows (or at least who has her email address in their history/addressbook) probably has been hacked. Those spoofed headers need to be populated with plausible looking content from somewhere.

    5. Re:Personal anecdote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually not an exploit in your browser but an exploit on Yahoo's side. Yahoo has still not squashed all the CSRF and XSS vulns in their own products.

      So an attacker steals your email address and your entire address book. They then spam your contacts but not using your Yahoo account to do it.

    6. Re:Personal anecdote by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Judging by some I get, no, they don't need to be populated with plausible looking content. But even if they did, a mail-server being hacked is at least as plausible as one of her friends being hacked. It probably happens a lot less often, but when it does happen the payoff list of associated names is a lot larger.

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    7. Re:Personal anecdote by Narcocide · · Score: 2

      Well, this time, in the case of yahoo mail, probably its the same thing. Additionally, their persistent security issues over the years and especially the TYPE of security issues they seem to keep having has lead me to the conclusion there must be inside actors assisting.

  25. Re:Yahoo has users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If AT&T is part of the breach, it won't do any good changing your AT&T password as the old password will still work when accessed through Yahoo. I brought that problem up about 5 years ago, don't know if it was fixed yet and doubt if it was.

  26. Re:Which 3rd worlders did it THIS time?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Why is this modded down?? I'm with Trump-- I've had enough of this political correctness bullshit. I'm guessing you're upset because I singled out people from third world countries, even though that is where almost ALL the hackers reside? (not including Russia and China). When one speaks the truth now-a-days, it is considered a despicable act if it is about non-white people.

  27. FFL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nobody had better screw around with my FFL roster!

  28. Can validate this. by Bruha · · Score: 1

    Old account. Got alert login from new device then password changed twice. They changed it back to the original. New password and turned on SMS auth so it won't happen again. Sucks it was an old account before I had started using random passwords per site so had to go through every site I use and verify it was not that password. Thankfully I use a password manager that makes that easy. Can't be lazy about passwords anymore.

  29. Nothing new by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    There is a corporate and home version of JRE to download, the home version contains the crapware. It's been there for years and years, you may have just accidentally been downloading the right version.

  30. Because you are an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Blaming 3rd world people for breaking into companies like Yahoo is buffoonery. Yahoo had, and has, bad security which resulted in a break in and massive data breach. They had, and have, bad practices so the issue sits for much longer than a month before being made public. Yahoo is concerned with it's share holders and executives, and how they can cash in. Yahoo is not concerned with their actual revenue source, customers. Surely two wrongs don't make a "right" but you should be directing your anger at Yahoo, not people making a few pennies to sell account data which should have been updated as soon as the breach was detected.

    If there was a moderation titled "moronic" you would probably see that too, but we are limited in how we can moderate.

    1. Re:Because you are an idiot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe it is not the hackers, but the origin of Yahoo's workforce you should examine.

  31. Gloat past the graveyard by ThatsNotPudding · · Score: 1

    Oh, absolutely; this will NEVER happen to gmail!

    1. Re:Gloat past the graveyard by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 1

      Oh, absolutely; this will NEVER happen to gmail!

      The price for this data is almost enough that it's worth bribing an insider for it.

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  32. And you are a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You resort to posting as "Anonymous Coward" to personally attack someone? Why didn't you use your normal account? At least this guy didn't make it personal about anyone. He just blamed a 75% of the world's countries.

    1. Re:And you are a troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      First, I did not _only_ point out that the person was a moron. I gave statements regarding the company at fault with a position based on real facts that you can go find. Last I checked people didn't pay to be on Yahoo's board, they got paid.

      Pointing out someone's idiocy is not a personal attack, it is simply another statement based in real facts. Facts which the AC could have found pretty easily, yet they chose to attempt to support their favorite SJW crusade. I'm posting AC because I'm modding ye of great mental handicap. Thanks for asking. Now go back to defending your SJW trolls (probably yourself).

  33. Re:Yahoo has users? by ShaunC · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm very inclined to believe that yes, anyone whose mail is hosted by Yahoo is part of the breach. That includes the bells (ATT, SBC, PacBell, BellSouth, etc). Anecdotally I'm confident that the address books and recent contacts of Yahoo Mail users have been compromised for years through some type of exploit. There are spam campaigns that specifically target these accounts in this way, forging the "From" address as someone you have recently communicated with.

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  34. Any yahoo account s*not* hacked? by Hylandr · · Score: 1

    It has always been my assumption that Yahoo accounts are compromised by default.

    This isn't news.

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    1. Re:Any yahoo account s*not* hacked? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

      Yes, I would like a list of accounts that were NOT hacked.

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    2. Re:Any yahoo account s*not* hacked? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here:
      1. god@host.above
      EOF

  35. Re:Which 3rd worlders did it THIS time?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm guessing it's because you're a fucking idiot.

  36. No valid data on yahoo anyway. by almostadnsguy · · Score: 1

    Who puts real information about yourself in your yahoo profile. I found the picture of some guy on the internet. The dates are all made up. I mean the only dumber thing is putting real information on that face-palm site.

    1. Re:No valid data on yahoo anyway. by rubycodez · · Score: 1

      people who were put in there as a result of deals between yahoo and some large ISP like SBC/AT&T, the customers name, address, phone number are there

  37. Here is my password by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case anyone else wants it, my password is C0wBoyNe1l!

    1. Re:Here is my password by mrbester · · Score: 1

      No punctuation allowed in the password...

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  38. This is click-bait! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I just did an image search on Marissa Mayer. Her skirts are not that short.
    Click bait is always a let down.

    1. Re:This is click-bait! by NotAPK · · Score: 0

      Try these or these. Some are better than others, links NSFW (duh!) and are posted for amusement value only.

  39. Uh oh.... by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 2

    Definitely time to start dropping the Yahoo accounts, people.

    1. Re:Uh oh.... by hyperar · · Score: 1

      Definitely time to start dropping the Yahoo accounts, people.

      Start?, Who has one?

    2. Re:Uh oh.... by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I think I had one about a century ago. Haven't logged onto it since. If I did have anything on it, it's waay out of date.

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    3. Re:Uh oh.... by hyperar · · Score: 1

      I think I had one about a century ago. Haven't logged onto it since. If I did have anything on it, it's waay out of date.

      Most of us are in the same situation, had one centuries ago, haven't used it in years

    4. Re:Uh oh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. I had one in the 90s. Haven't used it since gmail launched.

  40. Statute of limitations for a crime like this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Asking for a friend.

  41. Flickr is still better by SuperKendall · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Flickr still has a vibrant community. Some people left over the UI range, but where would they really go? 500px? Don't make me laugh.

    I still prefer the UI Flickr has over any other site - for serious photography.

    Yahoo didn't kill off Flickr - and they are larger than they ever have been.

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    1. Re:Flickr is still better by reboot246 · · Score: 1

      You should look at smugmug.com for serious photography. I've been using them for years and they're great.

    2. Re:Flickr is still better by SuperKendall · · Score: 0

      I also use Smugmug but I hate viewing images there. I only use it for photo sales (I have a paid account). It's also better for sure as a professional presence.

      Flickr is far more pleasurable for browsing images though. I post a lot of images to Flickr that I just want others to enjoy.

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    3. Re:Flickr is still better by BlackPignouf · · Score: 1

      Just curious. What don't you like about 500px?
      I used to be a very active flickr user, and never really tried 500px.

  42. Do not worry about the deal with Verizon. by williamyf · · Score: 1

    This is easy to fix and there is Precedent*

    They will leave the terms of the sale as they are, but a an MoU saying that all costs (legal, fines, class actions, etc) and liabilities derived from THIS PARTICULAR BREACH will be borne by the Tracking company that will remain after the sale with Yahoo!'s holding of alibaba shares.

    That way the negotiation shall proceed and the shareholders receive the cash part of the deal...

    * The precedent: When Siemens was trying to get rid of their Telecoms Unit They first approached motorola about the Joint Venture. this would had been better, as there was very little product or geographic overlap. As part as their due diligence process, Motorola was told of ongoing corruption investigations in the larger Siemens (it was unclear at that time if the telecom unit was involved). Motorolla backed out.

    Then Siemens approached Nokia, Quite bad, as there was a lot of overlap, both in product lines, and in Geography. Nokia accepted. They set a date. A few weeks before the date (IIRC it was near the MWC of '06) the corruption cases escalated, and the efective date of the JV was postponed, and rumour had it that the JV was falling appart. So, Siemens AG signed a MoU stating that any and all liabilities and fines derived from corruption cases from the telecom unit would be assumed by Siemens AG and not the JV.

    Motorola should have done just that, would have been better for all involved!

    In the end, there was no corruption on the Telecoms part (energy and transportation for sure, maybe others).

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  43. State Sponsored? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's significant. Locking your door won't do you any good if an intruder has government provided tools to bypass locks. How can private protect themselves without running afoul of the law themselves? They certainly can't retaliate, at least not without Congressional oversight and the backing of the Executive.

  44. Re:Yahoo has users? by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 3, Funny

    173 million people in Nigeria. Assuming each of them has 2 e-mail accounts set up for 419 scaming, I would say Yahoo having 200million accounts is believable.

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  45. Eleven Factor Authentication by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only way to be safe is to require all fingerprints, plus a scan of the front page of the Calcutta Daily Register for your birthdate.

  46. Re:Which 3rd worlders did it THIS time?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    spoken like a true fucktard.

  47. Public email? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And free on top of that... yep thats what people get. If you are to cheap to pay or host your own then thats the price you pay, saying that most of normal people do not care.

    Get your own damn email server, its not that actually hard and you always have something to do!

    PEACE

    1. Re:Public email? by Pascoea · · Score: 0

      You should check your private e-mail server. It appears your user, "Anonymous Coward", has been hacked and has been spewing useless bullshit onto Slashdot ever since.

  48. H@XX0RR3D! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If this keeps up, pretty soon we're all going to be Anonymous Coward!
    [picture of man wearing a barrel]

  49. no notification in email by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife has a yahoo mail account. Just checked and there's no notification.

  50. Sam "Bring Back Bullying" Biddle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, let's all quote a person who deserves a few months in an ISIS camp.

  51. Yaho by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yahoo hehe

    i also heard slashdot was breached any truth to the romur

  52. AT&T... by sconeu · · Score: 1

    AT&T oursources their email to Yahoo...

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  53. Disable Security Questions by jakatar · · Score: 1

    In all my Yahoo accounts(Around 20 acc) there was two security questions. 1 my own and 1 additional random security questions for every account, like: Check yours and then disable it.

  54. Fantasy by Ogive17 · · Score: 1

    Maybe the hackers will draft a fantasy sports team that will actually win a league now.... can't do any worse than me.

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    "Action without philosophy is a lethal weapon; philosophy without action is worthless."
  55. Re:Yahoo has users? by HiThere · · Score: 1

    They don't "suddenly come from", but Yahoo used to be a quite popular place to have an account, and since they don't charge you for the account, those accounts never went away, people just forgot about them.

    Even if the accounts *did* go away, the records would still be there, and so if the passwords are used with the same account name on another site...

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    I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
  56. Re:Yahoo has users? by rubycodez · · Score: 1

    but the change password link in the yahoo web mail UI takes one to "my AT&T" account page for AT&T login and password

  57. FWIU: social engineering by HiThere · · Score: 1

    From what I understand, most problems of this "kind" are the result of social engineering. What that means can be anything from an email pretending to come from the CEO to a phone call that apes a desperate user trying to recover some information. And other possibilities.

    For this kind of a breech, I'd expect that there was a potential weakness, and social engineering was used to gather the information needed to exploit it. Actual holes are possible but less likely, and even then it's likely that social engineering was used to gather the information needed to know what holes to try for.

    That said, a zero day is always a possibility to keep in mind. It's just not the approach I expect was used. Also possible is a strong misconfiguration such that social engineering wasn't needed to exploit it.
    P.S.: It's my belief that most social engineering is never detected. People don't like to tell their boss that they've been fooled, and in a really good social engineering approach they would never even know that they had been fooled, and the event could only be revealed by reasoning backwards after the penetration was detected.

    All that said, I'm no expert in this area. Most of my information comes from reading Slashdot and such over the years, and patterns of attach change over time. But this is my best guess at the answer to your question.

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  58. Oh no. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My throwaway porn e-mail.

  59. Re:Yahoo has users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    It used to be that you could login on either the AT&T site or the Yahoo site with your (AT&T) username and password. The problem I discovered was when you changed your password at the AT&T account site, both your new and old password still worked fine at the Yahoo site. I'm no longer using either so I really don't care, but you should see if that still works.

  60. Re:Yahoo has users? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

    Yahoo? Before Google, there was AltaVista. Yahoo was a rather lame index.

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  61. Re:Yahoo has users? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Yahoo was a rather lame index.

    That must have been the three years or so that Google provided search results for Yahoo under contract.

  62. Re:Yahoo has users? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 2

    Yahoo started out being an index instead of a search engine. Even in those early days of AltaVista and Lycos I can't ever recall using Yahoo.

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  63. They have my birthday. That sucks. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So I went to change my (never used) yahoo account.

    They have my full birthday, and I no longer trust them with that information.

    But I can't see how to remove it. There's no 'edit profile' button on the 'Personal Info' page - https://login.yahoo.com/account/personalinfo - at least in Chrome on MacOs. I don't want to login anywhere else, I don't trust them anymore.

    I'm thinking to delete my account - but even that won't help - they apparently archive deleted accounts for 12 months (!)

  64. Re:Yahoo has users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yahoo used to have a good MP3 search though. It was like Napster through a search engine.

  65. Oh no! by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 1

    This is horrible! Now hackers will have access to all my spam!

    Seriously, the only reason I even have/use the Yahoo email address is for websites that are so scummy I don't want to associate them with the /HOTMAIL/ account. Every now and then I take a peek and I don't think that account gets any email that /isn't/ virus-laden. Even if I wanted to use it, its interface is so ugly (with a stunning /purple/ color scheme) that my eyes were bleeding after just a few minutes. It's the cesspool of freemail providers.

  66. Re:Yahoo has users? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just went through the password change process earlier today when this was first posted, and was redirected to the AT&T site to reset the password. I just tested now and my old password is not working to log into mail. I didn't think to try logging in with my old password again back then, maybe there's a delay in synchronizing the AT&T passwords to the email passwords or something (though my new password worked right away... weird)

  67. Re:Yahoo has users? by AHuxley · · Score: 1

    The ability to create an account was as simple as thinking of a name and pw.

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  68. They also started demanding phone numbers... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I am not sure if it was before the breach, or after.

    Thankfully legacy accounts can just ignore the phone number demand, but creating a new account, inputting a phone number is mandatory and part of the verification process.

    All seems rather fascist to me, and I have no doubt in a few years it will bit people in the ass.

    Having said that: Did anyone actually USE real personal information on yahoo? I know every account I had with them had all that personal info faked for exactly this reason. Anyone who needed that information had it communicated to them at the time it was needed rather than left in a profile that might someday be accessed by all.

  69. Yahoo breach by Residentcur · · Score: 1

    I am terrified that someone is going to be able to spoof being me in the 10 or so Yahoo groups I'm a member of. I'm assuming they will be bored out of their skulls long before their trolling ends up bothering anybody overly much. Fortunately, I haven't relied on Marissa and friends for anything else.

  70. Re:Which 3rd worlders did it THIS time?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The 1st worlders only seem worse because we're better equipped. If Afghani tribes had nuclear weapons they would have killed us all over an arranged marriage to a 12-year-old girl.

  71. I tried to login but... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    The account still exists and I was able to authenticate but the message says that they detected some unusual activity and they need to send a confirmation to a backup email account.

    That secondary email address I linked it to no longer works though, so I can't access it. ;(

  72. Re:Yahoo has users? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

    Even in those early days of AltaVista and Lycos I can't ever recall using Yahoo.

    I can't ever recall using AltaVista and Lycos. Of course, I came late to the Internet GUI scene. My first five years on the Internet was on a dial-up SLIP account into a UNIX box and using Lynx (text web browser) to browse the Internet.