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Anti-Defamation League Declares Pepe the Frog a Hate Symbol (time.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from TIME: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has declared a popular internet meme depicting a cartoon frog to be a hate symbol. Pepe the Frog's beginnings were unoffensive: he is the creation of comic book creator Matt Furie, who featured the frog as a character in the series Boy's Club beginning in 2005. The character subsequently became a beloved meme, often called the "sad frog meme" and shared with a speech bubble reading "Feels good man" or "Feels bad man." But recently, as the Daily Beast reported in May, the character has been co-opted by a faction of Internet denizens who decided to reclaim it from the mainstream, and began sharing it in anti-Semitic contexts. "Images of the frog, variously portrayed with a Hitler-like mustache, wearing a yarmulke or a Klan hood, have proliferated in recent weeks in hateful messages aimed at Jewish and other users on Twitter," the ADL wrote in a statement. "Once again, racists and haters have taken a popular Internet meme and twisted it for their own purposes of spreading bigotry and harassing users," wrote ADL CEO Jonathan A. Greenblatt.

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  1. Who said what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who the fuck is the ADL? Why the fuck do I give a shit?

    -- Internet

    1. Re:Who said what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think when your hair trigger sensitive response to things is to go straight to blaming things on SJW's and that social justice has become an entirely bad thing to you, you've lost sight of what matters. I have a strong dislike for the nonsense that SJW's do as well but you have to remember, we do need people who are aware of social destructiveness and people need to frequently push back on hate.

      Internet hate has been growing for a long time now and if you reflect on some of the things that you and your friends think and say, and compare that to ten years ago you might be shocked to realise that hate has crept into your attitudes in a pretty insidious way.

    2. Re:Who said what? by Hylandr · · Score: 3, Insightful

      social justice has become an entirely bad thing

      Any 'Justice' that denies the legal system it's due process is an absolute aberrant evil that must be destroyed at every opportunity. We send soldiers to other countries to kill powerful SJWs that hold the reigns of a regime that squashes dissenting opinions. You should read "Mein Kampf". It's the SJW to Dictator roadmap.

      and people need to frequently push back on hate.

      Damn right we do. Which is all SJW's spew. If they don't get their way they throw giant child tantrums.

      Internet hate has been growing for a long time now

      That's a mixed bag there. There's anger growing at the people that have appointed themselves the 'champions' of self appointed arbiters of orthodox intolerance that themselves oppress the majority. Then there's the hate SJWs themselves level at anyone that doesn't bow to their will.

      'Justice' should be dealt with by the court systems according to the laws elected by the majority. Not meted out by a minority population with no concern for the anything but their own perverted sense of right and wrong.

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    3. Re:Who said what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Internet hate has been growing for a long time now.

      At basically the same rate non-techies have started adopting the internet in their every day lives I suspect.
      The internet was a nice place before all the normals started using it.

    4. Re:Who said what? by Opportunist · · Score: 5, Insightful

      As opposed to getting in line and do what the outraged, loudmouthed minority says?

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    5. Re:Who said what? by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

      You want to know what's really funny? If you read the actual ADL post on it, it actually says Pepe isn't a racist meme. It says that some people use it for such, but that doesn't make it so. Anymore then using something else in a meme context. Fuck the media is really trying to push this bullshit hard. So are the retards like the AC that /. promoted this worthless bunch of articles on in the first place. Can't get much more pathetic, and when you hear people talking about this? They're laughing at you, even the normies.

      From the ADL itself:

      However, because so many Pepe the Frog memes are not bigoted in nature, it is important to examine use of the meme only in context. The mere fact of posting a Pepe meme does not mean that someone is racist or white supremacist. However, if the meme itself is racist or anti-Semitic in nature, or if it appears in a context containing bigoted or offensive language or symbols, then it may have been used for hateful purposes.

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    6. Re:Who said what? by Maritz · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm no ADL fan, but this is from their website:

      "However, because so many Pepe the Frog memes are not bigoted in nature, it is important to examine use of the meme only in context. The mere fact of posting a Pepe meme does not mean that someone is racist or white supremacist. However, if the meme itself is racist or anti-Semitic in nature, or if it appears in a context containing bigoted or offensive language or symbols, then it may have been used for hateful purposes."

      Kinda makes you look stupid going off on that rant, to be honest.

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    7. Re:Who said what? by bickerdyke · · Score: 2

      ...if seen in a time piece of that era. And yes, mixing up Charlie Chaplin's "Tramp" with Hitler just because of the moustache would indeed be funny.

      But that friggin frog is contemporary.. well.. "artwork".

      And as you mentioned, those moustaches were very popular in the inter-war years, but you might have noticed that they aren't today. So any current usage is a direct referrence to either
      a) general facial hair style in the 30s
      b) Charlie Chaplin
      c) Hitler

      If seen in conjunction with antisemitic slogans, all ambiguity is resolved.

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    8. Re:Who said what? by thinkwaitfast · · Score: 2

      Sadly the most accurate thing that I'll read all year.

    9. Re:Who said what? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Kinda makes you look stupid going off on that rant, to be honest.

      This story makes Slashdot look stupid, if we're being honest. The summary is bullshit. How did it make the front page? Either a bunch of dipshit slashdotters voted it up from the firehose, or a dipshit "editor" promoted it. Either way, it's stupid bullshit that helps make Slashdot grate.

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    10. Re:Who said what? by Mashiki · · Score: 2

      Eternal September Brother. Remember that day as it continues to live on in infamy.

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    11. Re:Who said what? by Mashiki · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Keep in mind that this is exactly what the left keep pushing with their "hate crime" laws, and wanting to implement kangaroo courts for them. We have them in Canada, they're abused. Up until Ezra Levant and Mark Styen won they had a 100% conviction rate. The head of the CHRC was also found to have been deliberately planting evidence against his political enemies then running them against the system to ruin them.

      You guys in the US have gotten your first taste of it, it's called a Title IX tribunal.

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    12. Re:Who said what? by Hylandr · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You act like people shouldn't be able to point out what they see as immoral behavior unless it's mandated by the your government,

      That's fine. Everyone can point out what they think is wrong all day, then draft laws and vote on it, with measures for enforcement.

      SJWs rarely work that way, opting to mete out their own version of justice by harassing and finding ways to ruin the victims lives by getting them fired, evicted, etc.

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    13. Re:Who said what? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 2

      And this is the correct response.

      (((echo)))

    14. Re:Who said what? by pipingguy · · Score: 2

      More and more innocuous things are being redefined as 'hate' and 'violence' by people with mental problems and serious personality disorders in order to advance their political agendas and desire for power over others. This will end well...

    15. Re:Who said what? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Law and Order is fine and dandy until the tyrants use it to kill off any dissent.

      Lets try Liberty and Justice instead. Similar but not quite the same.

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    16. Re:Who said what? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Right. So attack people who call out SJWs on their bullshit.

      The problem is that we have a group of people (SJWs) who've declared themselves the only ones who care about social justice and pushing back against hate, while doing nothing more than spewing their own brand of hatred and injustice. Meanwhile, we've got reasonable adults who see through the sham and, well...

      Skipping the rest of my rant and getting right to my point: "people who are aware of social destructiveness and [...] frequently push back on hate" are what we call reasonable. People who push their own brand of hate under the guise of pushing back against it are what we call SJWs; ironically, of course.

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    17. Re:Who said what? by BronsCon · · Score: 2

      Meanwhile, if you're fired because your employer feels it's the only way to get the SJWs to leave them alone...

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    18. Re:Who said what? by Rakarra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Shut the fuck up with the "SJW" tag.

      I swear, you assholes who overuse SJW calling SJW-this and SJW-that have turned a once delightfully trollish term that describes people wandering into a situation they don't understand and shitting over the discussion with shrill screeching and white-knighting, and now "SJW!!!" is thrown at anyone who has even a shred of conscience about how to treat each other with respect. Don't like the KKK? You're a fucking SJW. Think that a full-time job ought to pay a living wage? Shut up, you fucking SJW.

      SJW is the new "Nazi." Now, when someone starts yammering on about SJW's, you can immediately dismiss them as blithering idiots. That's how badly the term has been abused, and that's how meaningless it has become.

  2. i hate it by turkeydance · · Score: 2

    when a hate group makes a hate symbol to make anti-hate groups hate the symbol

  3. Re:Pepe is a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, it's a real meme: Feels good man. (Feels bad man is an obvious spin-off.)

    The Nazi connection? That's a 100% bullshit joke that Clinton swallowed hook, line, and sinker. She got trolled by 4chan, and HARD, to fall for that. Except that as far as anyone can tell, 4chan never did any "Nazi frog" meme. No one can really figure out where the hell she got that from. It just doesn't exist.

    There is no Pepe/Nazi connection. There never has been, except in Hillary's weird deluded "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" pnemonia-addled mind.

  4. Time got trolled by sinij · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The only logical explanation is that Time got trolled. I certainly don't recall reading anything about Hitler or Third Reich using frog symbols.

    1. Re:Time got trolled by nitehawk214 · · Score: 2

      The only logical explanation is that Time got trolled. I certainly don't recall reading anything about Hitler or Third Reich using frog symbols.

      Nazi frog symbols?

      What about the Vichy French? :)

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  5. Re:Pepe is a scam by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Daily Beast - which "Broke" the pepe story (sourced by a 15 year old joker on twitter, with no political leanings) is owned by IAC publishing.

    Who is on the board of directors of IAC publishing? Chelsea Clinton.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAC_(company)

    If modern racism is cartoon frogs then maybe time to move on guys.

  6. Re:We live in that environment now. by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

    What's worse, PC Nazis or Mac Communists?

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  7. Re:We live in that environment now. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Watt about the grammer Nazi's?

  8. Star of David used by Neo Nazis... by hsthompson69 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...and then we can declare that a hate symbol too?

    What about the rainbow flag? If sharia enforcing islamists start using rainbow colors, can we declare that a hate symbol?

    What about the word "HATE"? Can we declare that a hate symbol, and ban it?

    WTF, guys, seriously?

  9. But Kermit is still OK by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    so long as he doesn't fat-shame Ms. Piggy.

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  10. Lemme get this straight by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Some internet trolls take a meme and dress it up to be anti-semitic. For some odd reason this (out of the thousand others that work just the same way) gets the attention of the ADL and they declare the meme, not the dress-up, but the meme, to be anti-semitic.

    Seriously, if I was the troll, I'd feel on top of the world. This must be the apex of trolldom. Ultimate validation.

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    1. Re:Lemme get this straight by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      The logical counter-troll would be to take nazi-pepe and ridicule him.

      Laughter is a powerful weapon against repressive organizations and movements. The very last thing they can deal with is not being taken serious, mostly because they're usually so full of insecurities and dependence on outside validation that ridiculing them is a powerful blow to their ego.

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  11. I do not care a shit about this... by ruir · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Has slashdot become the outlet of political correctness gone wrong and pussies of the world united?

    1. Re:I do not care a shit about this... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Has slashdot become the outlet of political correctness gone wrong and pussies of the world united?

      No, it's just the outlet of wrong, since the headline is inflammatory bullshit. The ADL did not declare Pepe to be a hatemonger. They mentioned that some people are making Nazi Pepes, and that some of these are symbols of hate. (Obviously you can make Nazi characters without promoting Nazism, by using them as targets of humor or what have you.)

      Isn't pussies of the world united a lesbian film? Talk about V2V

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  12. Re:We live in that environment now. by stealth_finger · · Score: 5, Funny

    Watt about the grammer Nazi's?

    Grammar Nazis.

    There ok.

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  13. Re:OT: another Clinton troll - "IS IS" by ArylAkamov · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This.

    It's like how everybody forgot where that "bowl of skittles" meme Trump Jr. posted came from. It was originally a feminist argument for why all men are monsters/rapists.

    Pretty good troll, considering the reaction it got.

  14. Re:We live in that environment now. by Hognoxious · · Score: 2

    Watt about the grammer Nazi's?

    All they care about is power.

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  15. Micky Mouse? by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

    So if Micky Mouse starts getting portrayed with a hitler mustache, wearing a yarmulke or a Klan hood can we get him declared a hate symbol as well? Because I'd love to see Disney screwed like that.

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  16. Re:What is this... by myowntrueself · · Score: 2

    Especially when you have an anti-hate group declare it to be a "hate symbol" which basically cedes the ground and lets the anti-semites win.

    If it's even a thing, which I doubt it is.

    Well Hitler was a vegetarian. So therefore vegetarianism is anti-semitic, right?

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  17. Re: Racist? by sexconker · · Score: 2

    Dumbassery like yours is a social construct.
    A tiny handful of genes separate us from chimps. Slight changes have huge effects, and those effects are not just related to appearance. If people like you had your fucking way people wouldn't be allowed to ask about race and people would die due to genetic conditions that affect different races more/less.

    Fuck your feelings, deal with facts.

  18. Re:Who are these people? by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do these groups justify their existence over 40 years after the junk science of "race" was completely debunked?

    It's kind of the other way around. Evolution tells us that different environments create selection pressure for/against different traits, which causes species to differentiate into distinct haplogroups or entirely different species. Most everyone agrees that modern humans left Africa and spread throughout the world between 50,000 - 100,000 years ago. Now if I were to take any other animal, say a canid, and stick a bunch of them in northern europe and a bunch of them in Africa and then ask if you if it's possible that after 100,000 years we'd get very different animals descended from the common ancestors, you'd agree. And if I suggested those differences might be more than mere coloration, but extended to speed, strength, size, and even temperament and intelligence you would probably agree. But if that animal is man instead of a dog you'd call me an evil racist to suggest that perhaps the cold climates of northern europe selected against those humans who weren't intelligent enough to make long-term plans while the year-round abundance of food in Africa selected against the weak and slow but not against the unintelligent.

    We're basically having the Scopes monkey trial all in reverse, where the "progressives" take as dogma the claim that mankind is special and stopped evolving the instant they stepped out of Africa.

    The way the political left gets their power is by first declaring that different groups are equivalent (without evidence or proof), enforcing this false equivalence as a moral issue (you're not just wrong but evil and morally repugnant if you don't agree), then pointing out the differences in outcome between these groups (actually caused by their biological differences, not deliberate actions), but since you've already accepted the false equivalence, the only explanation must be that the more successful group is oppressing the less successful group. This justifies giving political power to the left in order to correct this injustice. If you recognized the fundamental inequality of ability, there would be nothing to do and the left would have no power. It would just be the way it is.

    For instance, in the United States the average IQ for blacks is 85, 92 for Latinos, 100 for whites, 108 for asians, and 115 for Ashkenazi Jews. This correlates very well to income levels for each group. In the US the median incomes for Jews is the highest, followed by Asians, then whites, then Latinos and then blacks. When confronted with this fact, politically motivated leftists will "debunk" the research by attacking the researchers, attacking the tests, and generally by making a bunch of hysterical and fallacious arguments. They then cite each other as proof the research has been "debunked" when in fact it hasn't, and any points they may have had (like for instance the idea that the IQ tests themselves are biased towards one group or another) have been addressed and either explained or corrected. But the results still stand.

    It would be nice if the left would acknowledge this and stop calling society (and whites particularly) evil because, say, the proportion of engineers working at FaceBook who are black doesn't match the proportion of blacks in society. That's basically impossible because when you look at the distribution of intelligence by race a much smaller proportion of blacks have the, say, 120+ IQ required to get through engineering school than whites or asians. No societal injustice is taking place, it's just that bitch Mother Nature.

    So if you want to know how these groups justify their existence, it's because the evil racists are factually correct and the leftists deny basic evolutionary biology because without their false premise of innate equality their ideology falls apart, and no one will give them power anymore.

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  19. Re:OT: another Clinton troll - "IS IS" by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    No, the "bowl of skittles" thing originates from a Nazi children's book about Jews.

    A few years back there was a Ben Grelle posted the skittles version as part of a blog post in the wake of the Elliot Rodger misogynist murder spree. He claims it was taken out of context, it's up to you if you believe him but given that it was a response to what Rodger did his explanation seems reasonable.

    How did you get from "10% of them are poison" to "all men are rapists"? At most you could say he was suggesting that 10% of men are rapists.

    And by the way, the origin of the "all men are rapists" thing is a play. In the story the mother of a woman who was raped says the line, but her daughter then strongly disagrees despite what happened to her. So in fact, even the originator of the quote (the author of the play) was saying the exact opposite of what people now imply.

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  20. Re:No, ADL actually DOES "fight for social justice by Rakarra · · Score: 2

    ADL is both pro- and anti- "social justice," or at least the modern day's concept of it.

    On one hand, most people concerned about the social justice side of Israeli/Palestinian relations tend to think that the Palestinians have gotten a pretty raw deal from the whole thing, what with them getting their land "bought out" to create Israel, current West Bank issues, etc. However, ADL is also a radically pro-Israel and pro-Zionist organization, enough that they have repeatedly tried to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with anti-Semitism itself. So they're sortof a weird outlier at odds with, say SPLC or other 'anti-hate' groups.

  21. Re:Who are these people? by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

    Science tells us that "species" as a term is highly overrated and grossly misunderstood. But by no definition are different kinds of humans anywhere near to being different species. You might describe them as different varieties, at most.

    This is the type of meaningless, muddying-the-waters handwave I was talking about. It doesn't matter what you call the different animal group: species, haplogroup, ethnicity, race, "bunch of people who vaguely stayed in this geographic area for this length of time." At the end of the day you have a group of animals to which a different selection pressure was applied over tens of thousands of years, which results in different traits.

    Unless of course, man is some kind of magical animal where populations can be separated by 50,000 years plus, and yet have the only changes be cosmetic. How did that happen? Was it God?

    The things about them that needed to change will have changed. The things that didn't mostly won't.

    Intelligence is good for you no matter what your situation, and strength and speed don't preclude intelligence.

    Intelligence being good for you is not the same as stupidity being bad for you. We generally talk about selection pressure working against a trait, not for it. A seasonal climate with harsh winters that needs to be prepared for selects against those who cannot engage in long term planning. In a temperate or tropical setting with food available year-round low intelligence isn't selected against.

    Also, stupid people have intelligent children, and vice versa.

    What is regression to the mean.

    For instance, in the United States the average IQ for blacks is 85, 92 for Latinos, 100 for whites, 108 for asians, and 115 for Ashkenazi Jews. This correlates very well to income levels for each group.

    Correlation, he said, is not causation. That's a sophomoric error.

    But correlation is required for causation. Are you suggesting intelligence is irrelevant to income-earning potential for most people?

    Is this just a kiddie troll?

    There's that ad hominem. Please argue science instead of your politics.

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  22. FIRST, they came for Pepe the frog by TheRealHocusLocus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First, they came for Pepe the frog.
    I didn't speak up, because I was not a Trump supporter...

    Then, they infiltrated ICANN and began matching expressions to block registration of new 'hateful' domain names.
    Then, the international copyright corpus paid lucrative fees to have trademarks added to the 'hate' blocking database.
    Then, root and 1LD servers began returning NXDOMAIN responses to 'non-compliant' names, regardless of prior existence or fees paid.
    Then, the servers began returning NXDOMAIN responses even if the 'non-compliant' match was in the subdomain portion.
    Then, the servers began silently completing 'non-compliant' name responses to build a database of 'non-compliant' ip addresses.
    Then, the tier 1 companies and consortium ISPs began black-holing non-compliant ip addresses.
    Then, the tier 1s developed the 'ICMP trace-ping' to centrally log attempts to reach non-compliant ip addresses.
    Then, the international non-compliance organization (managed by ICANN) began issuing automated 'takedown' requests for the source ip addresses.
    Then, consortium ISPs streamlined the takedown process and modified their TOS to support the suspension of non-compliant service.
    Then, the FBI and NSA joined TOR to issue a steady stream of 'non-compliant' traffic to ensure that all onion nodes remain suspended.
    Then, countries such as China are maintaining their own clone of the non-compliance framework for their own (eg, Falun Gong) reasons.
    Then, 'peace treaties' between countries are negotiated with conditions that member countries mutually share and implement their respective 'non-compliance' framework.
    Here, my dystopian Internet vision ends.

    Pepe the frog survives, though he is reading a book by candle light.
    Don't get me started on non-compliant books.

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