Slashdot Mirror
Anti-Defamation League Declares Pepe the Frog a Hate Symbol (time.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from TIME: The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) has declared a popular internet meme depicting a cartoon frog to be a hate symbol. Pepe the Frog's beginnings were unoffensive: he is the creation of comic book creator Matt Furie, who featured the frog as a character in the series Boy's Club beginning in 2005. The character subsequently became a beloved meme, often called the "sad frog meme" and shared with a speech bubble reading "Feels good man" or "Feels bad man." But recently, as the Daily Beast reported in May, the character has been co-opted by a faction of Internet denizens who decided to reclaim it from the mainstream, and began sharing it in anti-Semitic contexts. "Images of the frog, variously portrayed with a Hitler-like mustache, wearing a yarmulke or a Klan hood, have proliferated in recent weeks in hateful messages aimed at Jewish and other users on Twitter," the ADL wrote in a statement. "Once again, racists and haters have taken a popular Internet meme and twisted it for their own purposes of spreading bigotry and harassing users," wrote ADL CEO Jonathan A. Greenblatt.
The Internet filters! They do nothing!
Who the fuck is the ADL? Why the fuck do I give a shit?
-- Internet
It a the backlash against the SJWs and PC Nazis.
If it's a free country, then they have a right to be a bigot and racist. Free speech applies to everyone. Just don't feel like a victim if someone has a problem with it.
Wait, I thought everyone was racist now?
The whole thing is fake. It's a fake meme. It has nothing to do with the alt-right. Clinton's campaign site was pwnd and they bought off on it.
How about a moderation of -1 pedantic.
ribbit
The ADL can suck a D.
Making something a hate symbol just because of a bunch of ignoramus appropriated it for themselves... This is the swastika all over again.
when a hate group makes a hate symbol to make anti-hate groups hate the symbol
The only logical explanation is that Time got trolled. I certainly don't recall reading anything about Hitler or Third Reich using frog symbols.
Hitler-like mustache, wearing a yarmulke or a Klan hood, have proliferated in recent weeks in hateful messages aimed at Jewish
That doesn't make any sense. Is the frog here the person writing the message, as in "what the frog says", or is the purpose of the message to suggest that Jewish love the Klan and Hitler, while being frog-like?
Oh the feels, the fake campaign feels
Obviously, is to use the same Pepe character in campaigns that are diametrically opposed in spirit to the hate groups.
It's like the time some genius in Australia decided to blare Barry Manilow music over the loudspeakers, to clear out a gang of punks who used to hang out on their property late at night.
Who are these ADL people anyway, and what do they know about anti-semitism? The real anti-semites are those that wouldn't get that six-pointed stars are merely sheriff's badges and swastikas are really just Hindu good-luck symbols.
Oh, and "88" just stands for the average IQ of a 4chan user, and has absolutely nothing to do with the beloved Fuhrer.
Trump 2016
You are welcome on my lawn.
Does this mean ADL is racist?
It's not a hate symbol per se, but some racist fuckholes use it as one. There's a difference.
If I used, I dunno, the "recycle" symbol as a hate symbol, would that make it a hate symbol? No, it would just be some arsehole (me) using it that way.
But, I suppose with enough usage it would start to be recognized as such and then, yeah, it could probably be considered a hate symbol.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
O shit watsup?
Now we know the level of dumb the new Slashdot management is.
Or just another chink in the chain of media bullshit controlled by garbage in control.
As sympathetic as I am to the ADL and their cause, this is foolish. Pepe became co-opted by online trolls the moment ADL and Time declared it so. They are the ones who gave the "alt-right" legitimacy, and in doing so are raking entire online communities through the mud while encouraging trolls to grab for more.
This isn't a defamation or hate issue, this is an issue of one group trying to micromanage another group's speech on the internet, and they're pushing back hard. It's futile and counterproductive.
Yeah, in the debate last night, everyone thinks Trump made a mistake when he said Hillary has been "fighting ISIS her entire adult life".
Obviously ISIS hasn't been around that long, but the inside joke is that he didn't mean ISIS, he was referring to a certain guy who asked "what the meaning of IS IS".
lol
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
The answer is neither censorship, nor giving into the the hateful usurpers. Fight BAC with free speech using Pepe in a good light.
Surely the Hitler mustache and the Klan outfit are the symbols of hate here. You can add them to anything.
Get off the internet and go actually work.
The ADL is completely lost in the modern internet age. All you have to do is a google image search to realize how many pepe images there are out there, and that it has nothing to do with racism. They got completely taken in by internet trolls.
Also the homicidal gas chambers are a myth, it was completely debunked in the 90's. The holes in the ceiling of the delousing chambers where they supposedly dropped in the Zyclon-B pellets were proven to be a post war modification by the Soviets. No holes, no holocaust.
How can it be both a troll by 4chan and something that no one can really figure out where she got it came from?
Yours is the logic of "heads you win, tails she loses." And although you got modded +4 and counting, anyone smarter than a 3rd grader can see through that bullshit.
We all know he's just a caricature of Al Jolson. Undoubtedly, that frog appeared in blackface at some point.
Too simple, sometimes naive.
...and then we can declare that a hate symbol too?
What about the rainbow flag? If sharia enforcing islamists start using rainbow colors, can we declare that a hate symbol?
What about the word "HATE"? Can we declare that a hate symbol, and ban it?
WTF, guys, seriously?
There, FTFY.
that's what Democrats do because they have nothing intelligent to say. Seriously the more dumb politically correct shit like this that happens the more people vote for Trump. Can't you guys just tone down the insanity until after the election instead of acting so desperate? You're ruining her chances among the intelligent and informed with this kind of crap which makes me proud to be an independent.
If you have a non-profit group whose goal is to save the whales, you raise money by writing about a new threat to whales every week and asking for donations afterwards.
The SPLC/ADL do the same thing, but with Nazis or anything that could possibly be argued to have one spoken to someone with a Nazi-like thought, because this is how they scare their readers into making more donations.
At this point, Nationalism -- the idea that a nation is defined by its founding ethnic group, and that it has the right to self-determination and to exclude all others -- is taboo only for European-descended people. Every other group can do it.
Now European-descended groups want the same thing because they do not want to abolish themselves and be replaced by mixed-race groups like we find in much of the world. They want Western Civilization back, and this is an important first step.
The SPLC/ADL would be smarter if they recognized that much as Zionism is Nationalism for Jews (read Theodor Herzl if you can) European-descended people have something similar for themselves. Everyone benefits if each group can have Nationalism, and preserve itself.
However, that threatens the globalist idea and its parent ideology, and so there are clumsy, ham-handed and laughably shrill attempts like demonizing Pepe which are just going to backfire on these watchdog groups.
Alternative Right.
I already saw Operation Google on internet neckbeard self-stim party Reddit:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Google...
Alternative Right.
so long as he doesn't fat-shame Ms. Piggy.
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
Good thing no one gives a flying fuck what anyone says Pepe means, be it /pol/ trolling idiots or the ADL trolling other idiots.
If you had told me 10 years ago shitposting would be a major factor in a presidential election, I would have laughed at you. The ride never ends, fam.
Am I missing something here? Why is there a need to declare the original meme as a hate symbol when pretty much every meme under the sun has also been co-opted by some community to make racist or homophobic jokes?
I'm not familiar with this ADL organization, but someone better warn them that if these are the standards they are going to use to declare something as a hate symbol, it's just better that they speed up the process and label all Internet memes and popular iconography as hate symbols altogether.
The ADL is a Jewish supremacist group.
Go Pepe!
WOW ! This ranks right up there with PETA (more or less - mostly less). If it's a cartoon, then . . . SO WHAT ! I guess I don't deserve moderator points if this is the type of material I have to deal with.
redneck geek
Complete with pic.
Lawrence Person (lawrencepersonh@gmailh.com (remove all "h"s to mail)
http://www.lawrenceperson.com/
Obviously all this is related to some inside joke in some obscure neighborhood on the internest. Since I'm not a denizen of this sub-division of the netisphere, I'm left out. But I do have something to contribute:
Certain portions of our world community claim special status based upon historical events. Anyone who says anything they don't like is subject to being labeled 'anti-Semitic' and being blackballed by certain elements of the Power Structure.
I look forward to the day when we can all see this labeling as the new McCarthyism. It's time to override the 'special status' of Israeli Jews and look critically at what they do and whether they are respectable citizens of the world. Are they deserving of billions of dollars in military support?
...omphaloskepsis often...
The Anti-Defamation League has defamed the entire community of Pepe enthusiasts, despite knowing nothing of their culture or history, based on the actions of a few twisted fringe members.
Is he safe?
Does the ADL hate Mexicans? If so, does that not make them racist?
Jesus was a compassionate social conservative who called individuals to sin no more.
Reclaim Pepe for sad people and lovers of bad drawing.
PEPE memes have brushed this latest development aside entirely and continue their rapid rise in value. Check the RAREPEPE, SHITCOINCARD, GOXPEPE, and PEPECASH tickers on the Counterparty (XCP) DEX (Decentralized Exchange)
> Or just another chink in the chain of media bullshit controlled by garbage in control.
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
Seriously, its the opposite of your intended meaning.
Which is so appropriately ironic.
We understand your concern with the latest incarnation of hate speech on the Internet. Unfortunately, at this time we are busy trying to figure out how not to get so many black people shot by police. So you will have to excuse us if we don't share your same level of urgency over a cartoon frog.
Sincerely, the American public.
Have gnu, will travel.
I just can't help but draw the irrational conclusion that HRC is really pissed about the pepe memes so they pulled this guy in to deride them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Don't know the difference between frogs and nazis.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
If it's a muslim/Arabic guy holding a bomb we call it free speech, but if it's antisemitic then we call it hate speech, which is weird because the first image is actually also antisemitic in nature.
Here's an idea, let's combine the star of David and swastika, and create a meme from that and see the AOL fags' mind blown.
Some internet trolls take a meme and dress it up to be anti-semitic. For some odd reason this (out of the thousand others that work just the same way) gets the attention of the ADL and they declare the meme, not the dress-up, but the meme, to be anti-semitic.
Seriously, if I was the troll, I'd feel on top of the world. This must be the apex of trolldom. Ultimate validation.
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
The ADL is a left-leaning group of mostly secular Jews who act as an attack machine for the Democrats. Normally, they just slime anybody who is a threat to the Democrats and the slimee is unable to hit back without being seen to be proving the alleged anti-semitism. They've even lobbed these obnoxious allegations against a number of Jews and Christians who are too supportive of the state of Israel, because that was not aligned with certain left leaning politics. As a result, many people who might otherwise take such a group seriously end up dismissing them as purely partisan hacks instead.
Having ignored these guys for a long time, I find myself suddenly amazed that they are all bent out of shape over a cartoon and some of the possible interpretations of the cartoon by a microscopic group of online idiots. They then seek to trash the reputations and perhaps the employment of anybody using that cartoon FOR ANY PURPOSE ... which puts them into the same insane camp as the jihadis who murder people over cartoons. It's amazing. If anybody had suggested this a year ago, I might have said "yeah, right, when pigs fly!" ..... but of course they both have problems with pigs too, and I like my head right where it is, firmly attached to my neck, so I guess we should leave the imaginary pigs out of it.
I despise the modern trend of poisoning debate and discussion by trying to rule any opposing idea or person as too toxic to be in the public forum. In America, we used to teach all children a simple rhyme: "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me." We taught our kids that they could endure any speech they disagreed with and that such speech was NOT the same as actual violence. Without that attitude, enlightenment, freedom, and civilized politics are simply not possible. These modern SJW rules are fundamentally anti-American and need to be thoroughly rejected by all as soon as possible before we all find ourselves under Orwellian speech codes, especially when they come from groups who declare themselves morally unquestionable.
The swastika and white pointed hoody (think KKK) were originally religious symbols. This appropriation by evil forces is a psychological form of fraud. People think they're getting one meme but instead receive a different, destructive meme. In the process, the original meaning of the symbol is lost and a small bit of culture is destroyed. When people realize the original symbolism has been hijacked, the propaganda machine must find a new symbol to carry their 'diseased' message to unsuspecting victims.
Has slashdot become the outlet of political correctness gone wrong and pussies of the world united?
I do so wonder, what the ADL did or whether it took action to protect those innocent families in Israel and Palestine who had their plantations and land ruined by the Israeli army to forcibly evict them.
Oh no wait, let me guess. Only Jews are entitled to protection. They are the special people. Everyone else is an animal.
The ADL is a bunch of corrupt scammers and frauds who should be put into prison themselves for having the gall and arrogance to actually determine themselves as some kind of judge, jury, and executioner, on culture of whatever kind.
Even though the title is misleading, the fact alone that the ADL even considers, and talks as if they are some authority whose opinion matters, is deplorable.
A bunch of nitwits using "well-meaning" as an excuse to thought police, and often to destructive effects where they twist the positions of victims and oppressors just so long as it benefits Israel and Jews and portrays them as infallible.
Lemme get this straight - Some internet trolls take a meme and dress it up to be anti-semitic. For some odd reason this (out of the thousand others that work just the same way) gets the attention of the ADL and they declare the meme, not the dress-up, but the meme, to be anti-semitic.
Well let's see what they said:
However, because so many Pepe the Frog memes are not bigoted in nature, it is important to examine use of the meme only in context. The mere fact of posting a Pepe meme does not mean that someone is racist or white supremacist. However, if the meme itself is racist or anti-Semitic in nature, or if it appears in a context containing bigoted or offensive language or symbols, then it may have been used for hateful purposes.
It looks like your understanding is pretty crooked still.
I'm guessing the problem is that even with so few examples of it happening, you are assuming anything in a slashdot summary has any truth to it and isn't really the exact opposite of what happened.
You really should know better than that by now.
How do these groups justify their existence over 40 years after the junk science of "race" was completely debunked? There is clearly a lot of money to be made by perpetuating junk science and peddling that garbage to the uneducated masses.
If there isn't hate speech made of it, somebody will make it.
> ADL Hitler jihad shalom!
There, now they can declare themselves as hate symbol.
I AM PEPE THE FROG!
You could just keep using it without the mustaches and other shit. ADL seems like a hate group to me.
Goddamned Nazis did this to the skinhead movement too. It started as a punk assertive movement, and was quickly co-opted by neo-Nazi "warriors." This is why we can't have nice things.
The ADL is a group of Jews who act as an attack machine for Israel.
FTFY and removed the excuse for your rant.
So if Micky Mouse starts getting portrayed with a hitler mustache, wearing a yarmulke or a Klan hood can we get him declared a hate symbol as well? Because I'd love to see Disney screwed like that.
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
I think you misunderstood. GP simply said that ADL is a bunch of social justice warriors. That's entirely correct, according to ADL. He didn't "blame" the SJWs for anything, he said ADL is SJWs, and it is, they say they are. A few references from the ADL web site for you:
http://blog.adl.org/tags/socia...
http://www.adl.org/education-o...
http://stlouis.adl.org/the-fut...
http://blog.adl.org/education/...
http://www.adl.org/education-o...
My understanding is that in the early stages, the bear was inserted into pictures to show people that "anyone can see this picture and might be 'enjoying' it for other reasons"/ It was anti-perverts using it as a warning against posting your kids private pics online
Later PB pretty much got adopted as a mascot for perverts.
I know I've seen some Hello Hitler (Hello Kitty w/ a Hitler mustache) images before. I'm sure that Hello Kitty and Pepe the Frog are not the only ones to receive such treatment. Why then is Pepe the scapegoat here?
Comment removed based on user account deletion
The whole Pepe as a racist meme was a prank by two twitter users trolling a reporter: http://dailycaller.com/2016/09...
dailycaller's take, slightly more amusing
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
He's so into pigs he got himself a younger pig
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Trump supporters breath air and drink water!
Will you pledge to immediately cease participating in these vile activities, comrade?
ADL is both pro- and anti- "social justice," or at least the modern day's concept of it.
On one hand, most people concerned about the social justice side of Israeli/Palestinian relations tend to think that the Palestinians have gotten a pretty raw deal from the whole thing, what with them getting their land "bought out" to create Israel, current West Bank issues, etc. However, ADL is also a radically pro-Israel and pro-Zionist organization, enough that they have repeatedly tried to conflate criticism of Israel's policies with anti-Semitism itself. So they're sortof a weird outlier at odds with, say SPLC or other 'anti-hate' groups.
Most of the consumptive advertising funded Internet (Google - YouTube, Facebook, Twitter, etc) attains revenue by harvesting attention by exploiting the human cognitive bias of availability cascades https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_cascade .. by threatening a lower need (Maslov needs, Socrates appetite Soul, etc) reflexive polar unconsciousness is induced, attraction/adversion polarity reflexes are engaged and behavior is properly channelized and monetized.
But declaring it as hate symbol is bullshit. From people who do not understand memes and snowclones.
No doubt some Palestinians got a raw deal in 1967. Now their grandchildren are bombing schoolkids, hospitals, and paramedics. Neither group is the good guy in that conflict, if you look at it with any intellectual honesty.
As far as "most people concerned", voting suggests that most in the US support Israel, though some support the Palestinians (most of *those* do in fact prattle on about the Jews' conspiracies to take over the US), and some see that two groups killing each other is just bad all around.
It seems to be the nature of warriors, Social Justice warriors and most other kinds, to always take sides. In this case, they've picked the Israeli side. I find that neither surprising nor inconsistent with their core world view that the world is full of weak victims who need a SJW to ride in on a white horse and save them.
You need to pay more attention to the ACTIONS of special interest groups rather than their rhetoric. The ADL is far more dedicated to defending various Democrat politicians in the US than to the Jewish people or Israel. They defend Democrat politicians who are hostile to Israel and attack politicians who are completely in the tank for Israel.
Politics in the US have become so entwined with money, and so dedicated to keeping their executives and staff members employed and well paid, that a great many organizations of both the left and the right are more aligned in their actions with what's needed for fundraising than they are aligned with the names they have given themselves or the slogans and PR campaigns they use.
First, they came for Pepe the frog.
I didn't speak up, because I was not a Trump supporter...
Then, they infiltrated ICANN and began matching expressions to block registration of new 'hateful' domain names.
Then, the international copyright corpus paid lucrative fees to have trademarks added to the 'hate' blocking database.
Then, root and 1LD servers began returning NXDOMAIN responses to 'non-compliant' names, regardless of prior existence or fees paid.
Then, the servers began returning NXDOMAIN responses even if the 'non-compliant' match was in the subdomain portion.
Then, the servers began silently completing 'non-compliant' name responses to build a database of 'non-compliant' ip addresses.
Then, the tier 1 companies and consortium ISPs began black-holing non-compliant ip addresses.
Then, the tier 1s developed the 'ICMP trace-ping' to centrally log attempts to reach non-compliant ip addresses.
Then, the international non-compliance organization (managed by ICANN) began issuing automated 'takedown' requests for the source ip addresses.
Then, consortium ISPs streamlined the takedown process and modified their TOS to support the suspension of non-compliant service.
Then, the FBI and NSA joined TOR to issue a steady stream of 'non-compliant' traffic to ensure that all onion nodes remain suspended.
Then, countries such as China are maintaining their own clone of the non-compliance framework for their own (eg, Falun Gong) reasons.
Then, 'peace treaties' between countries are negotiated with conditions that member countries mutually share and implement their respective 'non-compliance' framework.
Here, my dystopian Internet vision ends.
Pepe the frog survives, though he is reading a book by candle light.
Don't get me started on non-compliant books.
<blink>down the rabbit hole</blink>
Completely ridiculous
They are worried about a stupid frog cartoon while our world is going to shit What to go United States of America
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/09/28/495760153/i-guess-we-need-to-talk-about-pepe-the-frog
I didn't know either... I HAD, however heard of THIS: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect ... go figure...
The ADL is a hate organization, they hate on all other groups than Jews, throwing that "anti-semitism" bullshit on anyone they dont like. Fuckem!