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US Intel Officially Blames the Russian Government For Hacking DNC (theverge.com)

It's official, the Director of National Intelligence and Department of Homeland Security has blamed Russia for stealing and publishing archived emails from the Democratic National Committee in July. Wikileaks released over 19,000 emails and more than 8,000 attachments from the DNC in what was "part one of [their] new Hillary Leaks series." The Verge reports: "The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts," the statement reads. "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." The release also mentions recent reports of attempted intrusions into voting systems in 20 different states, but says there is not yet enough evidence to attribute those attacks to the Russian government. Despite the acknowledged threat, the DNI says digital attacks are unlikely to directly alter election results. "It would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion," the statement reads. "This assessment is based on the decentralized nature of our election system in this country and the number of protections state and local election officials have in place." "Nevertheless," it continues, "DHS continues to urge state and local election officials to be vigilant."

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  1. Just like the 1900's by thundercattt · · Score: 1

    I remember seeing this 80s, 90s. Ooooo it was the Russians. Reports say Russians deny speculation. More of the same media baloney.

    1. Re:Just like the 1900's by elrous0 · · Score: 0

      The CIA has been rigging elections since the end of WWII. Is the U.S. government going to go after them too?

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    2. Re:Just like the 1900's by amiga3D · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Are the same people that bugged Merkel's phone bitching about the DNC hack? It's not like the DNC is a government agency. It's a political party or as I like to call it, one of the two mafias that rig elections in this country.

    3. Re:Just like the 1900's by KingBenny · · Score: 1

      ah-uh
      breaking news ... who would have thought ?
      do you think it will stop if everyone who fought afghanistan .. i mean the russians while using afghanistan as battlegrounds will ... euhm, pass on
      i personally think that its a dangerous game if the inherent narcissism in the culture takes itself so far it succeeds in antagonizing about every nuclear and definitely every superpower on the planet
      where a little honey might work better ... tis like china and japan ... old people and old grudges in the way of future generations
      no ... europe doesnt count as a superpower last time i checked ... without the U.K. even less
      did someone just warn me about if you dont stop posting... .... nah that must have been my paranoid alien again ... its a free world here, right ?

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    4. Re:Just like the 1900's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Spying is perfectly fine. Releasing the info you got from spying in an attempt to sway a foreign election is not.

    5. Re:Just like the 1900's by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      I don't think russia attempted to deny. Instead they had Wikileaks dump the Podesta emails, only to the see the Trump Tapes surface.

      We all know there's tons of dirt waiting on Hillary, Julians said as much. Apparently we assumed at all meaningful dirt originates at Wikileaks, though, and forgot that there are probably treasure troves of stuff on Don that people have been holding back on for the closing weeks....

      It's gonna be brutal for both sides.

    6. Re: Just like the 1900's by aod7br7932 · · Score: 1

      You mean, like the US did in Brazil?

    7. Re: Just like the 1900's by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      That's not half as bad as some other shit the CIA did in South America. They actually helped with the overthrow of the Chilean government in 1973.

    8. Re:Just like the 1900's by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Spying is perfectly fine. Releasing the info you got from spying in an attempt to sway a foreign election is not.

      Why not? Why is it wrong for the Russians to tell the truth to American voters?

    9. Re:Just like the 1900's by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      It's gonna be brutal for both sides.

      That is a good thing. It is better to get all the crap out in the open before the election rather than after.

    10. Re:Just like the 1900's by eric_harris_76 · · Score: 1

      But only in other countries.

      I think.

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    11. Re: Just like the 1900's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To arms of the same body of criminals willing to steal money and resources from the general citizenry of the world.

      Ever notice how they were hoping to start with this accusation right in the middle of the release of emails yesterday by WikiLeaks? Not a single word on Slashdot about a ssange that I can see

    12. Re: Just like the 1900's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I bet that the crap from Donald is nothing like the crap from the illuminati shell

      Especially considering what we are getting from the WikiLeaks side versus the billions of dollars spent by the Hillary shills

    13. Re: Just like the 1900's by um...+Lucas · · Score: 1

      Donalds sole saving grace is that he has never been in public service, so his communications, deliberations, etc are all still hidden from view. So instead, the only thing we can use to measure in on his judgement and soundness of mind is, well, the words he's said.

  2. Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    When I'm president, the Russians won't hack us any more. They won't have to.

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    1. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      But weren't we going to build a wall and have them pay for it?

      No, wait, that was for the other evil invaders...

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    2. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by sycodon · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait...so Obama and the Dems havetheir panties in a bunch because Russia (supposedly) just did pretty much what Yahoo just did at the behest of the Obama and the Dems.

      WTF?

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    3. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait...so Obama and the Dems havetheir panties in a bunch because Russia (supposedly) just did pretty much what Yahoo just did at the behest of the Obama and the Dems.

      Are you really that stupid? Do you understand the qualitative difference between the American government operating on American soil and the Russian government operating on American soil? You believe there is a moral equivalence?

      Let's put it this way: If a cop kills a guy in the US, there might well be a discussion about excessive force, over-policing, etc etc. But if a Russian agent kills a guy in the US, it becomes a very different discussion and much different by degree. Don't you agree?

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    4. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      B'cos we'll be friends w/ them, they'll be friends w/ us, and together, we'll hack the rest of the world

    5. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yeah there is a difference, our own government spying on us is far more offensive than a foreign government. I have no problem with our government spying on Russia, in fact I expect it.

    6. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Wait a minute. The story was EXACTLY THAT when people were complaining about spying. Government stooges on this site would respond with "well, it's okay to spy on other nations. They do it all time. It's their job."

      But when it's USA being spied on (hypothetically, these russia claims are complete bullshit).. whoa ho ho, now it's "act of war", "rally the troops" time.

      Fucking hypocrites.

    7. Re: Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Trust me.. You wouldn't live through the first day.

    8. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wait a minute. The story was EXACTLY THAT when people were complaining about spying. Government stooges on this site would respond with "well, it's okay to spy on other nations. They do it all time. It's their job."

      But when it's USA being spied on (hypothetically, these russia claims are complete bullshit).. whoa ho ho, now it's "act of war", "rally the troops" time.

      Fucking hypocrites.

      You missed part of the Pope's argument. It is a serious violation, because the Russians (or others) made the Democrats look bad.

      If someone did this same thing against the Republicans, or against a Republican administration, poperatzo would support it.

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    9. Re: Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Rudeness aside, the yahoo thing was not limited to Americans. Making your indignation is when American gov spies on others vs Russians spy on others

    10. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
      Wait what?

      So we find that the Republicans have effectively collaborated with Putin's efforts to poison the democratic process in the US, happy to trade away US global influence in return for Putin's help to elect Trump. The same Republicans who instigated the practice of spying on Americans (under false pretenses) , who encouraged it, and who have every intention to keep on doing it more and more if they ever get back into power.

      You aren't outraged?

    11. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't just spying It's meddling.

    12. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by poity · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Also witness the conflating of DNC's behavior with democracy itself. These leaks exposed anti-democratic machinations from the upper echelons of a major political party, and politicians along with everyone who has a microphone or a press credential are trying to convince us that this constitutes "interference" in our democratic process.

      INTERFERENCE

      Think about that for a moment. We are actually being told that those who expose anti-democratic behavior are a threat to our democracy, rather than those who carry out that anti-democratic behavior. It boggles the mind.

      What's truly offensive is the press is unwilling to show even a speck of skepticism, and in fact is very enthusiastically repeating this to all of us as if we're dumb.

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    13. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The republican ownership - the Koch brothers / Trump / the Bushes etc. - have collaborated to continue global warning. Long term this is quite likely to end up killing most or all of our descendents. Despite the fact that the science is clear and this is obviously true, the majority of Republicans support a belief which will actually end up killing their families.

      Why do you think it would be difficult for them to ignore the fact that they are being tricked into voting for an agent of their enemies in Russia? The simple fact is that they care more about winning than truth, more about winning than handing their country over to the Russians. And more about sticking it to "du liberuls" than about having their own children survive.

    14. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait a minute. The story was EXACTLY THAT when people were complaining about spying. Government stooges on this site would respond with "well, it's okay to spy on other nations. They do it all time. It's their job."

      But when it's USA being spied on (hypothetically, these russia claims are complete bullshit).. whoa ho ho, now it's "act of war", "rally the troops" time.

      Fucking hypocrites.

      You are acting obtuse and stupid.

      Nobody is suggesting Putin should be arrested by his own country. Putin is doing his job. He is interfering with US elections with the aim of destroying the US in order to allow Russia to return as the dominant superpower. Everybody understands that this is normal and natural. Putin wants Trump, either because he knows Trump is effectively a Russian agent, or because he knows that there is a fair hope that Trump is a sufficient idiot that he will destroy America.

      What they are suggesting is that Americans who for example minimise it it, or attempt to say that Trump is okay to collaborate with it, or for example by saying that it shows DNC corruption whilst forgetting that worse would be shown if all RNC emails were released are actually helping Americas enemy, Russia.

      This is effectively a new cold war. Just as in football, a goal by your side is good, a goal by the other side is bad. You might respect the opponent's kicking, however you do not celebrate it.

    15. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      I won't try to speak for His Whollyness, but I am pretty sure you are merely projecting.

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    16. Re: Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      And there's the Internet Tough Guy, right on cue.

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    17. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Ah. Meddling. So you were this outraged when the Obama administration donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to an Israeli campaign organization whose purpose was to prevent the re-election of Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu, right?

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    18. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Apparenty when Hillary and Obama said they were going to hit the "reset button" with the Russian relationship, they meant resetting us to the Cold War era.

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      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
    19. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by jbengt · · Score: 1

      Witness the conflating of democracy with a political party's selection of a nominee that is an actual member of that party, and not an independent socialist.
      See also the Republican party's current dilemma for an example of a nominee that does not actually agree with the philosophy of the nominating party.
      What the election process needs is to let the parties choose whoever they want before the government holds a non-partisan primary election where the top vote getters go on to the general election regardless of party nominations.

    20. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by meta-monkey · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You aren't outraged?

      Because the Republicans haven't collaborated with Putin's efforts to poison the democratic process in the US?

      The left is bizarre to me. They're incensed about the leaks, about something naughty Trump said, but read Hillary's emails that she funded the moderate beheaders in Syria so Israel would be happy with a nuclear Iran and now we've got 400k dead, ISIS, and the migrant crisis threatening to destabalize Europe and they're totally cool with that. I do not get it. I mean, I get why the media and the political classes do it: money. But I have no idea what your average left-leaning voter gets out of this.

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    21. Re: Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't cut mustard and ur dodo cuts cheese at the same time, Einstein.

      Why would it be a bad thing to know about how supposed Democrats are cheating? That sounds like it helps the democratic process, to me.

      But then again you are probably being paid by the letter by Hillary's campaign so even responding to this drivel only gets more drivel

      Lie to us for decades, and we welcome the truth from any source that will give it to us

      You don't care about truth you just are trying to figure out how to make it as unobvious as possible that you are stealing an election

      Congratulations: the puppet at the top of this pyramid of lies has finally made it so obvious to everyone else in the world the moral and ethical bankruptcy of both the Democratic Party and the United States democratic process that very easily we could lose our way of government for good⦠This coercive abusive repeating unilateral doctor and I call isolationist destruction

    22. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      No, I have contempt for both the parties. And I've voted for candidates from each as well, and third party and independent. I'd be big-L libertarian if they were sensible and honest, but they are who they are, so I've never voted for one of them.

      I don't care for Trump, but think he would make a much better president then people think. I despise Hillary, and still think she would make a better president than her detractors think. I plan to vote for the Green Party again, just like last time.

      So, in conclusion, no I wouldn't care if the Russians found out the Republican Party was corrupt and released that information. My observation of PopeRatzo's behavior is based on his post history, which stands out for its condemnation of anything that hurts his favorite politicians and full-blown support for the same activity if it hurts their opponents.

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    23. Re: Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I meant it's a tough job and figuratively he'd not live through that first day.

      Not that he'd be killed, even though he probably deserves to be, being a traitor and all.

    24. Re: Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      Why would it be a bad thing to know about how supposed Democrats are cheating?

      If that ever happens, we'll worry about it then.

      That sounds like it helps the democratic process, to me.

      But you also said:

      But then again you are probably being paid by the letter by Hillary's campaign so even responding to this drivel only gets more drivel

      And

      Lie to us for decades, and we welcome the truth from any source that will give it to us

      Which gives us all the insight we need into your state of mind.

      You imagine that somehow, working for the DNC and expressing an opinion about who the best Democratic candidate for president might be is somehow equally on foot with openly collaborating with America's enemies to steal an election.

    25. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      Because the Republicans haven't collaborated with Putin's efforts to poison the democratic process in the US?

      The left is bizarre to me.

      Not being on the left, I don't particularly care.

      They're incensed about the leaks, about something naughty Trump said,

      But they I assume you mean Trumps wife correct?

      but read Hillary's emails that she funded the moderate beheaders in Syria so Israel would be happy with a nuclear Iran and now we've got 400k dead, ISIS, and the migrant crisis threatening to destabalize Europe and they're totally cool with that. I do not get it. I mean, I get why the media and the political classes do it: money. But I have no idea what your average left-leaning voter gets out of this.

      Of course, al of those 450K were killed by the rebel group that Clinton supported, not by your mate Assad, who Putin and his gay lover Trump supports, who barrelled bombed whole cities of innocent people, but you are now saying, nobody was killed in those strikes? Sounds plausible. And your friends in ISIS, created by Republican allies in the War on Terror which was started by Republicans who also started the war in Iraq (I forgot, exactly, why again now, but I'm sure it was for a good reason). But reports that ISIS beheads people and that the war in Iraq killed a million or so, or that Trump promised to launch Trident missiles at Allepo and kill a million people in a nuclear holocaust are all just a vast conspiracy, right? None of that ever happen, ISIS and Assad are our friends.

    26. Re:Do me a favor, open the door and let 'em in. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, I can't speak for other Dems (and I'm not even a Dem, but looks like that's how I'll be voting this year), but from a personal stance it really is a matter of "scared to death of what Trump will do" if he gets into office.

      Yes, Hilldawg scares the crap out of me too...but I see our options as (basically):
      1) Someone that will maintain the status quo, continue overspending and maybe we get another shot in 4 years
      or
      2) Someone that will commit human rights violations as easily as he befriends dictators as easily as he declares bankruptcy.

      They have both advocated using Executive Orders as a way of "getting things done", which is deplorable. Is that preferable to the gridlock that we see when our politicians act like impetulent children and block progress? Actually, no, it's not. I would much rather have a President that can't get the job done due to gridlock than a President that thinks they're a dictator.

      Unfortunately, our options are between two of them.

      My option is to choose the one that acts like an adult, and frankly even if you include Johnson there's still only ONE of those.

  3. Whaa? by Mikkeles · · Score: 1

    Whatever happened to "Blame Canada"?

    I feel slighted!

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    1. Re:Whaa? by elrous0 · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Canada is much less of a threat now that they've elected a dumb himbo Prime Minister who seems intent of leading them towards a giant mass cultural suicide. Besides, a lot of us kind of like their funny square-wheeled cars and the fact that they rid us of the Baldwin scourge.

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    2. Re: Whaa? by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      He's better than that Yankee Robot Harper we had.

    3. Re: Whaa? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better at being useless

  4. Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's always the Russians or are they just an easy target to blame?

    1. Re:Hmm by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's a tradition. For almost 25 years we were looking for a new enemy, but why bother when the old one works so well? Never change a running system.

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    2. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Think of it like a "re-imagining" of the cold war, with worse acting and more explosions.

      Captcha: deplore

    3. Re:Hmm by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 1

      More like a "Russian Reset"

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    4. Re:Hmm by Sarten-X · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's always Russia, because we still haven't definitively settled the dick-measuring contest left over from World War II. It's hard to measure while the two main contestants (and new challenger China) keep simultaneously participating in pissing contests and counting notches after fucking other countries.

      The metaphor's getting a bit strained, but the bottom line is that it's a mess that hasn't been resolved in the last century. America was doing great in the 20's, horribly in the 30's, then somewhat stabilized after WWII. Meanwhile, Russia was doing decently in the 20s, badly oppressed in the 30s, then pretty unstable (but pretending otherwise) after WWII until the Soviet Union collapsed in 1991. After that, there have been several factions fighting for power, and one of the more aggressive factions has taken control, now looking to solidify Russia as the main superpower of the world.

      Then, of course, there are all of Russia's allies that have caches of Soviet weapons, and the ongoing corruption that allows them to get more. Even if "hurt America" weren't Russia's intent, there's enough belligerence in Russia's government that most conflicts can be traced back to some Russian office.

      On the American side, we've done little to discourage such saber-rattling. In a burst of benevolence, we've helped overthrow oppressive government regimes, only to be pulled back by our own isolationist factions, leaving a power vacuum that attracts more oppressive dictators. We also tend to be vindictive, highlighting the Russian connections when a bad guy gets a delivery of shiny new weapons.

      It's all very complicated, and has several symptoms of an ongoing cold war. Russia makes a public affair about our insecure elections, we make a public affair about their corrupt government. We build new weapons that could threaten Russia, they steal designs and threaten us. It's a stupid dance, and this is just another turn.

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    5. Re:Hmm by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      It's a tradition. For almost 25 years we were looking for a new enemy, but why bother when the old one works so well? Never change a running system.

      Putin has been pretty vocal that the dissolution of the Soviet Union was the worst political disaster the world experience in the 20th century, and he has been trying to rebuild Russia back into Superpower dominance.

    6. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're one of very few nations who won't just fall in line with US demands and are also powerful enough to resist the usual barrage of threats and manipulation by underhanded US agents.

      Therefore, they must be vilified in front of the public. Rumors must be spread, lies must be told. Whatever it takes to paint them as the bad guys.

    7. Re:Hmm by I'm+New+Around+Here · · Score: 1

      with worse acting and more explosions.

      Come to think of it, MacGuyver is back on TV. I'm sure that fits the description perfectly.

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    8. Re: Hmm by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      Is that really the reality, the EU hardly comes across as a lackey, except for the U.K. which thru all the changes of the guard and politicians continues to act likely a colony

    9. Re:Hmm by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      He isn't that wrong. The breakup caused several bloody wars and drastically lowered the standard of living and personal freedom for millions of former soviet citizens.

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    10. Re:Hmm by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Meanwhile, Russia was doing decently in the 20s...

      LOLWHUT??

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    11. Re:Hmm by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      He's also former KGB. I'm sure he'd love to return to the days of executing political dissidents rather than having them speak out vocally against his leadership. Wait, perhaps I should rephrase that. He'd like to return to the days of doing that openly rather than doing it quietly like he does now.

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    12. Re:Hmm by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      I'd agree with the basic premise here, but I'd argue that the current state is not due isolationism. It's in large part due to our currently policies of placation. We apologize for our indiscretions, we appease with kind words, we pretend that its possible to just hug it all out and everyone will go home with giant smiles about how much we've evolved. But the reality is that the Russian culture respects strength. They reject the kid-gloves approach as weakness and see it as an invitation to aggression.

      This is why they were emboldened to retake Crimea as a test-bed to the world's reaction to rebuilding the former Soviet dominance of the region. The message they received, even after providing weapons that took a passenger airliner out of the sky and killing all on board (if the Russian military wasnt directly responsible themselves) resulting in absolutely no repercussions. Nothing. No one did a damn thing about any of it. They retook an a economically and militarily important area by force and the world didnt seem to care. They are simply continuing what appears to be a military campaign to gain power in more regions through proxy, as they did in Crimea, thumbing their nose at a global political movement that doesnt like their actions but wont do shit to stop it because the necessary action is to put a foot down as say it wont be tolerated.

      This extends to their "meddling" in our elections through even more proxies. They dont even seem too concerned that we have noted it, pointed it out, and many are complaining about it, because they know that the weak administration and even many of the Republicans in Congress dont have the stones to push back.

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    13. Re:Hmm by loonycyborg · · Score: 2

      He was raised on movies like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... where spies mostly were engaged in talking enemies into total boredom with main character only doing a single kill in course of entire series. Compare that to James Bond whose body count is in thousands..

    14. Re:Hmm by loonycyborg · · Score: 2

      The problem is that with great cost to everyone in 1990s Russia pretty much caved in to all demands of all nations on earth are that were even remotely western-like no matter how silly those demands were. But US and other morons still keep treating Russia like threat and tend to plot death of everyone who is even tangentially related to Russia or former Soviet Union which makes all this cave-in absolutely worthless in the first place. So no matter who will be in power in Russia, it will be becoming more and more hostile to US and other clowns like them in the future.

    15. Re:Hmm by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      What does the one have to do with the other? Besides, he wasn't even born when political dissidents were actually executed instead of imprisoned or exiled.

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    16. Re:Hmm by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      And Hitler wasnt born when people were being put in gas chambers. To turn a phrase, what does one have to do with the other?

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    17. Re:Hmm by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Are you honestly suggesting that the entertainment industry in the Soviet Union and the United States in the 70's accurately depicts the clandestine operations of their respective regions? Or any nationstate for that matter, in any era? You do realize is fiction, right?

      That aside, are you suggesting that the state-run entertainment industry in the Soviet Union would have accurately reflected the barbarism of it's own operations?

      It takes a pretty distorted sense of reality to propose either.

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      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
    18. Re:Hmm by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      Entertainment reflects dominant cultural attitude to killing, given that this TV series even got popular in Russia means that populace is less prone to enjoy mass killings than that of US. And Putin is member of this populace.

    19. Re:Hmm by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      Entertainment that is state-run does not. It is a propaganda tool by which the state defines the message it means to portray. And in a state in which the people have little to say on how things operate the message might have little to do with the predominant attitude toward killing. I use the word predominant specifically rather than dominant to illustrate that the dominant force (the state, and the minority) in the region might have very little to do with the predominant attitude (the people, and the majority) of the populace. No one claims that Soviet Russia was a cute cuddly regime. And if you believe it to be so based on state-operated entertainment industry, then you perfectly illustrate the very thing I'm pointing out.

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      "But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it,..." - Nancy Pelosi
    20. Re: Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its so bad though. I'm happy watching reruns of old mcguyver.

      New macguyver pissrs me off more than the russians.

    21. Re:Hmm by loonycyborg · · Score: 1

      State operated propaganda doesn't become a cult classic. All-in-all that was just a movie, and it reflects local culture as much as James Bond works do. And it was as much of a propaganda as James Bond works either, that is it was honest opinion of authors that happened to align with party line. The art expresses what people are made of in reality, there is no reason to lie, since insincere work can't become a cult classic.

    22. Re:Hmm by dunkelfalke · · Score: 1

      Well, he was gassed himself, here is your connection.

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      "It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
  5. Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    If the Russians had cracked the RNC instead of the DNC, you'd never hear the end of it. Communist infiltration and all that. FOX News would be yammering about it 24 hours a day.

    Instead, most of the posters on Slashdot are going to be falling all over each other denying the Russians had anything to do with it.

    1. Re:Double standard by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Well, FOX has a problem here. On one hand, it's kinda a good thing, at least for them, that the hack happened, on the other hand, saying that the evil Russkies did something good... Classical double bind I'd say. Can't do one, can't do the other, can't get out of it and can't talk about it.

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    2. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      If the Russians had cracked the RNC instead of the DNC, you'd never hear the end of it.

      So, at what point did we hear the end of the DNC hack? Every few days the government doubles down again and makes another evidence-free statement about this. Then all the usual suspects from NPR to the NYT fill the news cycle with it. Seems to me we're witnessing the very thing you hypothesize would be some sort of problem were it to happen.

    3. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      and makes another evidence-free statement about this.

      Evidence-free? Did you even start to read the article or the statement from DHS?

      Evidence-free only in your fucked up, Breitbart-addled fantasy universe. But that's all you care about, isn't it?

    4. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Whether the Russians had anything to do with it is irrelevant until people start acknowledging the appalling corruption that the hacks revealed. That should be first and foremost in the discussion. Whether it was the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, or Klingons doesn't really matter. That piece of information takes second priority to that fact that our elections are rigged.

      Good God, why is this so hard to understand?

    5. Re:Double standard by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 4, Informative

      Gawd man, do you ever take a break? If this happened to the GOP, the Press would use it against Trump all day long, and three times during the debate. In fact, they are already trying to blame Trump for it.

      Instead of trying to blame Trump, they should be looking right at DWS (who was in charge) and Hillary, and trying to tie it to Hillary's Homebrew basement dwelling server.

      And quite frankly, it shouldn't matter the "who" did it. The fact that it did happen, and everything looks so awful for the DNC and Clinton Campaign because of it, it should be news all day long, but somehow it doesn't matter as much as some chick from 20 years ago that Trump said "mean things" about.

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    6. Re:Double standard by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The evidence is an IP address coming from a Rusky VPN provider. That's all.

      It's not like the Clinton campaign doesn't have a partner in the executive branch. See also: All the other things she's given a pass on that others have gone to prison for.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    7. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me like Trump. Trump STRONG MAN. Like Putin.
      Trump make America STRONG.

    8. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean this? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

      Yeah, that was 20 years ago, and she's a whore; not that I"m judging. Yeah, the fact she was brought up of all things speaks volumes how just how baseless the criticism is toward Trump. In fact, forget Trump, this would be anything OTHER THAN THE DNC!! Trump just happens to be the GOP nominee to be targeted.

      The Democrats are going to start Nuclear war with Russia. I'm convinced of that!

    9. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's spelled with a k, dumbdumb. Stronk.

    10. Re:Double standard by mukinrestak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Don't worry, man, most people do understand, they're just getting their records corrected.

    11. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The fact that it did happen, and everything looks so awful for the DNC and Clinton Campaign because of it, it should be news all day long, ...

      Can you please fill us in that 'everything' that is looking 'awful'? because I seem to have missed it. As far as I know all that got leaked was some personal information, which of course nobody approves of, right?

    12. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't we learn from Hillary?

      "There is no evidence I..."

    13. Re:Double standard by david_thornley · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Appalling corruption? Can you point me to some?

      In the meantime, do you have any reason to think the RNC isn't about the same? If you say the DNC is corrupt because you saw their internal emails, and don't at least wonder about the RNC, you're being played for a dupe.

      Politics is a dirty game. Always has been, always will be.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    14. Re:Double standard by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      An outsider, recently former democrat, won the republican presidential nomination. (So Hillary would have a chance in the general.)

      RNC establishment exists, but is confused and conflicted. Bible thumpers vs sensible republicans. e.g. There are republicans who think having a candidate from a gibberish speaking church is acceptable/electable. Until they go away, the republicans are doomed to failure, they should be.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    15. Re:Double standard by HornWumpus · · Score: 2

      Can't fix willful ignorance.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    16. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is sadly the culmination of current trends, and a result of the 2-partyfication of America.
      When is the last time a Democrat listened to criticism of another Democrat by a Republican (or vice-versa) and thought to themselves: "hmm, even though I don't agree with them, they make some valid points."?

      Anyone who spouts the opposite opinions to their world views, is so often treated as an enemy, that people tune out words of their "enemies". The result is openly biased news networks (on both the left and right) that each parrot PR-type talking points, and the quest for some universal truth does not matter in the slightest.

      People have been at this so long, it's become second nature.

      Snowden comes along and tell you your government is betraying you and usurping powers it was never given, and a lot of people look at Snowden, and say: "Who the hell are you? You're saying stuff I don't believe, thus you are the enemy. You must be a Russian Agent! You're trying to confuse me into betraying my side. My side is good, so your side is nothing but evil & lies (else why would we have sides?). You cannot be trusted, thus your 'information' is worthless."

      Russia comes along and exposes corruption at the DNC, and the story is Russia. People don't want to believe bad news, thus the person who brought it is relevant. If Bernie Sanders of Hillary Clinton themselves revealed the same things, they'd be called secret Republican Operatives.

      This is not a matter of truth, but a matter of comfort and being factionalized into Red and Blue to the point of ridiculousness.
      The only way to end this, is stop playing this ridiculous red vs blue game and start recognizing the bad players on "our" sides as well.

    17. Re:Double standard by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      do you have any reason to think the RNC isn't about the same?

      Of course they are the same: it wasn't even private, they really didn't want Trump to win.

      But defending one group's bad behavior because another group does the same is an idiot's argument.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    18. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whether the Russians had anything to do with it is irrelevant until people start acknowledging the appalling corruption that the hacks revealed. That should be first and foremost in the discussion. Whether it was the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, or Klingons doesn't really matter. That piece of information takes second priority to that fact that our elections are rigged.

      Good God, why is this so hard to understand?

      From what I've heard about Kilingons, if it was them I think we would have bigger fish to fry than some government corruption.

    19. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The Wikipedia article is a good overview, along with about 70 reference links. Hopefully that'll provide some good reading.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak

      This one is pretty interesting:
      https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/24/here-are-the-latest-most-damaging-things-in-the-dncs-leaked-emails/

      I think it's really pretty obvious that the DNC leadership was targeting Sanders from the get-go. That's a real slap in the face to Democrats everywhere. To have primaries, to hold votes, to insinuate that the nomination process is a fair process...and then have it revealed that many of the head honchos are pulling strings to get Hillary crowned, regardless of the will of the people? What we think of Sanders shouldn't matter (personally, I think he's an idiot), to subvert democracy that way is a pretty shitty thing to do.

      In the meantime, do you have any reason to think the RNC isn't about the same? If you say the DNC is corrupt because you saw their internal emails, and don't at least wonder about the RNC, you're being played for a dupe.

      This article isn't about the RNC, why bring it up? "US Intel Officially Blames the Russian Government for Hacking DNC." This is about the Democrats, and their unveiled corruption. I can criticize the Democrats without rah-rahing for the Republicans.

      But to answer your question: I'm quite sure that the Republicans are just as shady, just as corrupt. This example really proved it for me:
      http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/04/colorado-republicans-passed-around-anti-trump-resolution-back-march-22/

      The Republicans will have their big email leak. They'll have their moment in the corruption spotlight. And I can't wait to see it, either!

      Politics is a dirty game. Always has been, always will be.

      This is 100% true.

    20. Re:Double standard by quantaman · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Gawd man, do you ever take a break? If this happened to the GOP, the Press would use it against Trump all day long, and three times during the debate. In fact, they are already trying to blame Trump for it.

      Because Trump has not only been weirdly friendly with Putin but has spoken supportively of the cyber-attacks.

      Instead of trying to blame Trump, they should be looking right at DWS (who was in charge) and Hillary, and trying to tie it to Hillary's Homebrew basement dwelling server.

      And quite frankly, it shouldn't matter the "who" did it. The fact that it did happen, and everything looks so awful for the DNC and Clinton Campaign because of it, it should be news all day long, but somehow it doesn't matter as much as some chick from 20 years ago that Trump said "mean things" about.

      Why? Because emails exposed that people in the DNC perferred Clinton but never really did anything about it?

      Hell, Priebus has openly said that never-Trump'ers might not be allowed to run again if they don't fall in line. Why isn't that worse than the things people in the DNC speculated about doing.

      So far the content of these DNC leaks really have been non-stories.

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      I stole this Sig
    21. Re:Double standard by ArtemaOne · · Score: 1

      Wait, pointing out further corruption to divert attention away from corruption isn't cool. Point out all the corruption you want, but don't try to pretend that corruption is okay because it may be rampant.

    22. Re:Double standard by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Insightful

      RNC establishment exists, but is confused and conflicted

      There was a lot more visible establishment Republican opposition to Trump than DNC opposition to Bernie, and I'm pretty sure a hack of the RNC would have revealed a lot of dirt as well. But it didn't happen, so we can only speculate.

    23. Re:Double standard by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      The Democratic Party's election was rigged. Our election is coming this November.

    24. Re:Double standard by geek · · Score: 1, Troll

      Oh shut up you fucking shill. Trump is friendly with anyone he can do business with and no he hasn't been fucking supportive of the hacks unless, like you, you take a fucking joke out of context and abuse the piss out of it for your own idiotic fucking ends.

      Go fuck yourself douche bag

    25. Re:Double standard by amiga3D · · Score: 2

      I don't know dude. The Democrats nominated a woman so venal that she makes Nixon look like a sweetheart. Sure you hate bible thumpers but I don't really care for corrupt life long politicians who are so full of contempt for the American people that they tell one fucked up half ass lie after another with that smarmy look on her face like "who are you peons to question me, you are all dirt under my feet." You have every right to vote for the cunt but I have every right to despise her. Yeah Trump is no fucking prize I know but compared to that he don't look half bad. It's a shitty election year.

    26. Re:Double standard by rahvin112 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nice to see the Trumpies out in full support of a foreign country directly tampering in a US Election, regardless of the fact that if we just let this go the next time will be even worse. The very idea of a foreign country interfering in our elections is an affront to our very democracy and a direct and present threat. But partisan people like you think it's no big deal because it hit the other guy.

      The next time it happens it might hit your side, think about that. And because of people like you our country won't have reacted this time so we will have directly encouraged the next attack.

      Let me let you in on something, this is a direct attack on our country. I'd be as outraged if it had happened to the green party or libertarian party. We cannot stand by and allow foreign countries to start tampering in our elections. We should respond directly to this attack, even if that involves a kinetic attack against the source.

    27. Re:Double standard by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Trump doesn't go to church and speak gibberish. I'd vote for him if I was in a swing state. As it is, I'm voting for Johnson.

      With standard R candidates you get 'corrupt life long bible thumping politicians'. Granting still better than Web's baby mama.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    28. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Compare reactions now to when Palin's private email was hacked. Remember how banal hers was?

      So Hillary doesn't even measure up to Palin....

    29. Re:Double standard by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I fully support your vote for Johnson. He seems like a nice guy if a little confused. It's obvious he hasn't spent his entire life learning how to cheat, lie and steal though. If I didn't despise Hilliary so much that I actually despair of having to listen to her bullshit for 4 years I'd take a chance and vote for Johnson too.

    30. Re:Double standard by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      Nope people all over the world are sick and tired or lying politicians and government officials making all sorts of claims, when it comes to seeking greater funding, or when they screw up and want to blame others or when they want to hide how much they are stealing or trying to cover over corruption. So what if Russian or Chinese or English or American or what ever agents hack other countries and publicly expose their corruption, not only so what but yeah, triple plus good, keep it up and never ever stop. As long as they are exposing corruption, than it is a good thing right, you are not trying to claim it is a bad thing when other governments expose your governments corruption are you. Seriously, you think it is wrong for other countries to expose your countries corruption, seriously, you would rather keep the crimes secret and those criminals in power continuing to commit crimes, rather than have them exposed by foreign countries agents. Well, I would rather have those foreign agents working double overtime to expose every possible corrupt politician in my country and I would quite happily thank them for it.

      Isn't all becoming rather pathetic when we now have to rely on other countries investigatory agencies to expose the corruption in our own governments because our own investigatory agencies have been crippled by corrupt political appointees. I do see a problem in that but it obviously is not the problem you see, I would have no qualm about helping a foreign government expose corruption in my own government, if my own countries investigatory agencies were failing to take reasonable and proper legal actions with regard to that corruption.

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    31. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And Clinton's own connections to Putin get completely ignored. Yay for partisanship and rationalization.

    32. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >Nice to see the Trumpies out in full support of a foreign country directly tampering in a US Election

      yeah it's better to see the DNC tampering with a US election, right? They're keeping things in house!

    33. Re:Double standard by Xenographic · · Score: 0

      > Appalling corruption? Can you point me to some?

      I'd be happy to. Here's them conspiring with the Washington Post to violate campaign financing laws: link. I suggest you read the leaked email for yourself, though, this is but a sample.

      > do you have any reason to think the RNC isn't about the same?

      I think the last person to have their email hacked on the Republican side was Palin. Nobody found anything remotely interesting. Perhaps they've done bad things, and I'll be happy to condemn that if and when it's proven, but I am not someone who buys the tactic small children use to get out of trouble of pointing fingers at another.

    34. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the meantime, do you have any reason to think the RNC isn't about the same?

      So fucking what? Does the fact that the RNC is guilty of similar behavior suddenly make the actions of the DNC ok?

    35. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Obama administration officially blamed Benghazi on a youtube video and sent someone to jail over it.
      With everything that's going on with the US and Russia right now it doesn't surprise me at all that the DNC is blaming all their problems on the Ruskies. If they had any evidence though, they would have shown it .

    36. Re: Double standard by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      Err pick a position
      The democrates are dirty
      It's ok cause it's politics
      Both sides are dirty
      One side is dirtier

    37. Re:Double standard by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      I don't know dude. The Democrats nominated a woman so venal that she makes Nixon look like a sweetheart.

      Mm yes she's horrible - so much so that even Donald Trump won't publicly admit that he wants to grope her. Or so I've heard.

    38. Re: Double standard by zaphirplane · · Score: 1

      They are separates issues , one is the content the other the means. Please stop trying to divert the conversation from the content to how it was leaked. Separate things. The how it was leaked doesn't mean the content should be sweeper under the carpet with a salute to the flag and patriotism.

    39. Re:Double standard by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Hell, not just Donald, BILL doesn't want to grope her!

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    40. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And thinks the TPP is a swell idea.

    41. Re:Double standard by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      How do you know?

    42. Re:Double standard by LordLucless · · Score: 2

      The very idea of a foreign country interfering in our elections is an affront to our very democracy and a direct and present threat.

      You call it "an affront to our very democracy", I call it karma. Just be thankful they did it via cyber attacks instead of insurgencies and drone strikes.

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      Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean there isn't an invisible demon about to eat your face
    43. Re:Double standard by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Trump is friendly with anyone he can do business with...

      And that's just part of the problem.

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    44. Re:Double standard by Feyshtey · · Score: 1

      The reason FOX news has a problem is that it's biased. It has to coach its coverage because, as you point out, they like that this happened to the DNC. It proves they dont have (many) real journalist but do have an agenda.

      And they arent at all unlike any other media outlet. They all have an agenda now, and they will all lie and manipulate and cherry pick the "news" in order to try to sway the public to one side or the other. The net result is that people unwilling to spend the necessary time to investigate for themselves and find the truth between all the lines of bullshit we are fed will regurgitate the lies in concise little tweets and bumber stickers and perpetuate the problem.

      We have a nation that has been fully suckered into this us-vs-them shitstorm of seperationist politics and "news" is the willing lynchpin in the operation.

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    45. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, he just goes in front of news cameras to do it.

    46. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No candidate is perfect, but I'll take that in trade for sending a big "fuck you" to the two parties that think they're our lords and masters.

    47. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If certain people get their way, they'd get to vote for the Russians to pick our next President.

      If we start to let foreign countries influence our Presidential elections, keep in mind what that means. It means we are a puppet state of the foreign government.

    48. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not like HornWumpus doesn't have a friend in the police force. See also: All the other things he's given a pass on that others have gone to prison for.

    49. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let me let you in on something, this is a direct attack on our country. I'd be as outraged if it had happened to the green party or libertarian party.

      Nice to see the Trumpies out in full support of a foreign country directly tampering in a US Election

      Apparently not.

    50. Re:Double standard by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      Ugh! I hope not! If he ever said he found her attractive I'd have to go for a third party. Some things are intolerable.

    51. Re:Double standard by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see a paternity test on Chelsea. I've heard some rumors about her and her law firm boss back in Arkansas. Not that it matters. I figure Bill don't care who screws her as long as it isn't him.

    52. Re:Double standard by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I said he seems like a nice guy, not that he was smart.

    53. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because there was absolutely NOTHING in this Russian theft that indicated that any election was rigged. It just showed the Democratic party giving favor in violation of their own creed. No great surprise as Sanders is a Socialist. One would expect some resistance from someone besides Boy Scouts. As far as the appalling corruption, well the Democratic party had actual police mass beatings in Chicago in the past so no grand revelations. What is most important is that an unseemly government appears to be illegally, aggressively and abusively attempting to influence our elections. The stuff the Pravda/Trump crowd would have us gnash our teeth about is old news and hyperbole to the point of complete fabrication.

    54. Re: Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie would be on his way to being president now. Instead we will have 8 years of appalling corruption that you will continue to justify for what reason?

    55. Re:Double standard by meta-monkey · · Score: 2

      A hack of the RNC would likely reveal that they tried to do to Trump what the DNC did to Bernie, they just failed. Or rather, Trump beat them because he fought back, unlike Bernie who rolled over. All that this would do is confirm what Trump has been saying, that the system is rigged.

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    56. Re:Double standard by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      According to Colin Powell Bill is still dickin' bimbos.

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    57. Re:Double standard by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      We should respond directly to this attack, even if that involves a kinetic attack against the source.

      You know someone's trying to justify something awful when they use newspeak instead of plain english. Just say you want war with Russia because they embarassed your political party.

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      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
    58. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In case you folks didn't get this "kinetic" is liberal doublespeak, this person is advocating a physical attack on Russia. I wonder at the sanity of this person. BTW, "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities." Since when do hackers need "Authorization?" This "kinetic" response (ie. rockets, missiles, bombs) is as sick as blaming Russia for your own lack of security awareness. Suck it up cupcake. Stop using government agencies to forward you election agenda.

    59. Re:Double standard by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I am certain that Chelsea has handlers that follow her around recovering all random things that have her DNA on them.

      Bill's DNA is on file, gift that keeps on giving.

      Chelsea is Web's spitting image.

      --
      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    60. Re:Double standard by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      I never got caught doing anything, Hillary did.

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      John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
    61. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The next time it happens it might hit your side, think about that

      Damn, then I'd be forced to learn about the corruption in my party? That'd be terrible...

    62. Re:Double standard by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

      Well, Colin is well known internationally as someone who tells the truth.

    63. Re:Double standard by KeensMustard · · Score: 1
      Some things are intolerable.

      Well, that statement, at least, is correct.

    64. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Allow me to let you in on something - the AUTHORITIES and party mechanism have ALREADY fucked your electoral system 16 times before breakfast.
      Where's your outrage over that, fucking tool....
      Why don't you launch your "kinetic attack" on Congress - you stupid, reactionary, violent, war-mongering cunt.
      The goddamned arrogance and irrationality of Good Little Soldiery Americanos like you make me feel sick.

    65. Re:Double standard by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was okay. I also don't see why the DNC shouldn't have favored Clinton.

      The point is that Assange is pointing out some things he thinks will hurt Clinton and not pointing out comparable things on the other side.

      This is foreign intervention in a US election. It could be argued that this is sauce for the gander, but I really can't approve of it.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    66. Re: Double standard by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Politics is dirty. If someone tells you that party A is dirty, that's probably true, but you should take no implication that party B isn't as dirty.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    67. Re:Double standard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      At this point I would trust Vladmir Putin to follow the law more than I trust any Democrat to do the same; particularly one with a track record for criminal activity and cover ups (*cough* #NEVERHILLARY)

  6. This is part of why things like Stuxnet are bad by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

    This is part of why things like Stuxnet are potentially bad. Even if you use a weapon for a cause that is just or good, each new introduction ups the ante. It is pretty clear that the US and its allies use of hacking and similar tools (I refuse to say "cyberweapons" because we're not yet in a dystopian scifi novel) has emboldened other actors to use them also. If the US instead put in nearly as much resources into making things secure as it does into breaking into things, the situation would look very different, and everyone would benefit.

    1. Re:This is part of why things like Stuxnet are bad by Tailhook · · Score: 1

      If only the US hadn't ever used stuxnet et al. no one would hack the US... Are you naturally that naive or do you have to do a lot of painful mental contortions to get there?

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    2. Re:This is part of why things like Stuxnet are bad by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

      The argument is not that "one would hack the US" but that fewer such events would occur if the US spent less resources on hacking others and more resources on security.

    3. Re:This is part of why things like Stuxnet are bad by david_thornley · · Score: 2

      Give him a little credit for maintaining tradition. In the 1930s (IIRC), a US Secretary of State disbanded the State Department code-breaking organization because gentlemen don't read each other's mail. The person in charge, Yardley, wrote "The American Black Chamber", probably to replace his income, probably also because he was angry about it. The book sold very well in Japan, since it had a lot about the US codebreaking activity in the Washington Naval Conference and how it helped the US push the Japanese allotment of battleships in the naval limitation treaty down a touch. It contributed significantly to US-Japanese tensions before WWII.

      That's the standard of naivety to use.

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    4. Re:This is part of why things like Stuxnet are bad by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Even if you use a weapon for a cause that is just or good, each new introduction ups the ante

      The ante will ALWAYS be upped. The question is whether you can get ahead.

  7. a more likely scenario? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What if it's just people inside the DNC who are sick of the corruption? What if there are people inside the DNC who wanted Bernie to win and were angry when the DNC conspired to steal the primary election from him?

    What if the Russians aren't hacking the FBI, the NSA the DNC etc and it's all just people who are disgusted with the corruption? If the Russians were stealing secrets from these groups, you'd expect them to keep quiet rather than causing a ruckus that would result in increased scrutiny and heightened security.

    Knowing Hillary's dirty secrets and holding them would be terrific for blackmail. Leaking them to the public weakens her as a candidate and removes the material from future usefulness. My guess is that it's good samaritans rather than foreign spies.

    1. Re:a more likely scenario? by BradMajors · · Score: 3, Informative

      Seth Rich a DNC staffer was murdered soon after the leak. Seth is a more likely person responsible for the leak. The Obama regime is not likely to blame a Democrat for the leak.

    2. Re:a more likely scenario? by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Seth Rich a DNC staffer was murdered soon after the leak. Seth is a more likely person responsible for the leak. The Obama regime is not likely to blame a Democrat for the leak.

      Who needs evidence when you have wild speculation?

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    3. Re:a more likely scenario? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You mean like when blaming the Russians? LOL!

    4. Re:a more likely scenario? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In one post you've confused who's responsible with who will be blamed, with a mugging that somehow only you know is an assassination, with a person who wrote an application to locate your nearest voting station, with a spy that's leaking the internal most secrets to the Russians.

      Sorry for the run on sentence, but it expresses the run on thought. If your best offerings are so discombobulated, I doubt any input will be able to affect a change in your beliefs. I doubt any input could get through such a filter.

    5. Re:a more likely scenario? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Two bullets in the back from a "robber" that didn't take anything on a very early morning walk home from a meeting no one knew about is more solid evidence than many spouse murderers get sent to jail with.

      All DHS has is a Russian VPN IP address and Cyrillic letters in some offensive software. What kind of technically adept person doesn't have that?

  8. will all the vlads please raise your mouses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    or just smile & wave thank you... truth+mercy=justice.. spirit of creation/language of the heart foolproof.. hand in hand we stand..

  9. Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by ArtemaOne · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If it weren't for the Russians, the DNC and the Clinton camp would have gotten away with voter fraud in the primary! Oh, no one cares. Nevermind.

    1. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Ok, say I care. What can I do?

      See? So why care?

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    2. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by ArtemaOne · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You can send your vote to 3rd party. Obviously if you supported Sanders you're not likely to support Trump. There's Jill Stein and Gary Johnson, who aren't even on the same plane of evil and corrupt as the top party nominees.

    3. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This exactly. We already know that Hillary has lied to congress (said she turned over all her emails while holding thousands of classified, work emails back; that's a felony), lied to the American people numerous times, and now, a disenfranchised DNC member (Seth Rich) leaked information to Wikileaks showing how Hillary stole the primary from Bernie Sanders and when Hillary found out about it she or someone else at the DNC had him murdered. So you can vote for a lying, murderous career politician lawyer (Hillary), Donald Trump, or vote for a libertarian like Gary Johnson who actually wants to protect the constitution and the freedoms that it gives us. The two party system only works until we stop voting like lemmings for one or the other and pick the best candidate.

      If a third party candidate were ever going to win (and ever needed to win) now is the time. Both Hillary and Trump have sub 50% likability numbers, and if all the people who dislike Trump and Hillary voted for Johnson, we would be close to a three way tie out of the gate.

        OTOH, as Kaang (or was it Kodos) once said "Go ahead and vote for a third party; throw your vote away! It's a two party system people, you have to vote for one of us..."

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    4. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Talking crap about a candidate is not voter fraud. Coordinating with one's own front runner when it is clear they are going to win is not voter fraud. You and I may object to some or all of these things, but that doesn't make it voter fraud. Moreover, part of the hacking here isn't just DNC emails but is actual attempts at hacking *election systems* which should bother you in any event.

    5. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2

      You've been desensitized to corruption. Please never act in any form of authority over another person.

    6. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by mukinrestak · · Score: 2

      Well, there are two kinds of "fuck you" possible for the democrat who refuses Hillary's corrupt presidency. There's the minor "fuck you" in which they vote third party or write in someone such as Vermin Supreme, and there's the major "fuck you", in which they vote for Trump, because when their own party is that corrupt they might as well watch it all burn. Personally, I'm going with the major version. I've had it with both parties, and Trump seems like a wrench in the gears of government to me. I can go live in the woods for a decade growing/killing my own food if shit hits the fan.

    7. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by JoshuaZ · · Score: 2

      Voter fraud has a specific meaning https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_fraud. This is not it. Again, you can be unhappy about it, or even vocally object, but mislabeling this is about as unhelpful as when someone people use words like "assault" and "violence" to describe bullying speech. The problem is the same: if you keep using the more serious words to describe *everything* the end result is people won't take the more serious case as seriously and just won't listen to you. Precision is important not just because it is relevant for one's own thinking but because it is important to getting others to care.

    8. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by ArtemaOne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I suppose you never followed the allegations of voter fraud that meet that definition in the primary locations. It happened all across the USA. The incidents that stood out most in my mind were the ones where they would vote, the Sanders supporters would leave (after the vote) and then for some weird reason the Clinton supporters would stick around, they'd throw out the vote and revote hours later. Somehow the vote would swing drastically from a clear Sanders win to a major Clinton victory.

    9. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You apparently did not bother to review Comey's oath sworn testimony to Congress where he said that she did indeed have thousands of classified emails, that she did NOT turn over anywhere near all of the work-related emails, and lied about the whole situation from the beginning.

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    10. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So, you are now conflating two wildly different things. We were discussing the emails. In fact, you explicitly brought up the emails. You are now bringing up issues with caucuses. So let's discuss that issue (which we should keep in mind has nothing to do with DNC emails). Caucuses are very complicated (and frankly terrible as a system) and multiple votes are a standard aspect. For example, in Maine (where I caucused) there were multiple stages between the first count and the actual vote. This is a standard thing, and people who leave early are a standard factor. The other issue that came up was Sanders people failing to go to state conventions even after the local conventions were done, and in fact, in at least some occasions similar issues took place in reverse where they benefited Sanders. See e.g. http://www.politifact.com/nevada/statements/2016/apr/07/blog-posting/no-bernie-sanders-didnt-retroactively-win-nevada/. Caucus obnoxious rules is not voter fraud, and none of this is relevant to the emails being discussed.

    11. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Opportunist · · Score: 2

      You wrongly assume that I consider Trump the lesser evil.

      If you ask me, they're BOTH unfit to rule a clowder of cats, let alone a country.

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    12. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except Johnson is a fucking cretin. A Trump-level cretin. And Jill Stein thinks moonbeams cause AIDS.

    13. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by HistoryNerd · · Score: 2

      No such testimony in fact exists exists. What Corney said is Clinton was mistaken in her testimony, but he was by no means concluding she intentionally lied.

      The reality about the emails is to a great degree they show how often confusing figuring out what is classified is at a government level like Hillary. There were also only a couple of emails with actual classification markings on them out of the huge number in question, with the way they were marked apparently leading to confusion on Hillary's part about what the particular marking meant in that case.

    14. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by quantaman · · Score: 1

      This exactly. We already know that Hillary has lied to congress (said she turned over all her emails while holding thousands of classified, work emails back; that's a felony)

      a) I don't know where you get thousands of classified work emails, there were thousands of deleted work related emails, but there's no reason to believe they were classified.

      b) It's only a lie if she deliberately held them back, I see no reason to assume so. In fact I'm not even certain she meant for them to be deleted. The contractor who carried out the deletion did so because the retention policy was changed to 60 days (and those emails were older than 60 days). But they were previously told to preserve the emails from that time period. The contract might have simply misunderstood.

      and now, a disenfranchised DNC member (Seth Rich) leaked information to Wikileaks showing how Hillary stole the primary from Bernie Sanders and when Hillary found out about it she or someone else at the DNC had him murdered.

      ... and here comes the crazy talk

      (and the DNC dumps didn't even show anything particularly bad!)

      or vote for a libertarian like Gary Johnson who actually wants to protect the constitution and the freedoms that it gives us.

      And who is a non-serious goofball who's dangerously ignorant of foreign affairs (ie the place where the President actually has a ton of power).

      The two party system only works until we stop voting like lemmings for one or the other and pick the best candidate.

      The two party system works if you pick the best of the two candidates, to do otherwise is shooting yourself in the foot.

      If you actually want to fix the system reduce the division of powers that gives veto power to unaccountable legislators.

      The Republican congress has spent the last 8 years sabotaging the government because they know that a dysfunctional government creates an anti-incumbent backlash and the non-Presidential party is perceived as the opposition. It's about as bad an incentive structure as you can imagine.

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    15. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Ex_Fat_32 · · Score: 2
      Yet James Comey releases this statement to the press (excerpts from his actual statement):

      I should add here that we found no evidence that any of the additional work-related e-mails were intentionally deleted in an effort to conceal them.
      Although there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information, our judgment is that no reasonable prosecutor would bring such a case. Prosecutors necessarily weigh a number of factors before bringing charges. There are obvious considerations, like the strength of the evidence, especially regarding intent. Responsible decisions also consider the context of a person’s actions, and how similar situations have been handled in the past.

      In looking back at our investigations into mishandling or removal of classified information, we cannot find a case that would support bringing criminal charges on these facts. All the cases prosecuted involved some combination of: clearly intentional and willful mishandling of classified information; or vast quantities of materials exposed in such a way as to support an inference of intentional misconduct; or indications of disloyalty to the United States; or efforts to obstruct justice. We do not see those things here.

      The entire text is at FBI.gov: https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system

      Why not read the actual text? Afraid it does not suit your spin?

    16. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Blame it on contractors. How original.
      Is it fun being such a tool of the oppressors?

    17. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by s.petry · · Score: 1

      I should have added that mens rea is not used in determination for breaking the law and is not in the statutes. Again, Trey Gowdy's portion of the hearing makes that clear and provides statutes. Motive as not used to jail a marine for 20 years who posted a selfie not realizing a monitor in the background contained a picture marked as classified. The motive is not being used in the case against the sailor who disposed of a cell phone with a photo which had metadata showing the position of a ship at one time. Motive it seems is the excuse not to allow a prosecutor to touch Hillary, and it is the _ONLY_ time this has been done in US History. Facts may be inconvenient, but you should really learn to use them.

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    18. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      s.petry answered your post more than adequately.

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    19. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Johnson ran New Mexico as their governor. He knows how things work. Whether you agree with him or not is fair game.

      The two party system is a modern invention. There isn't a foundation for that in the American form of government. The two political parties are private institutions that have no force of law or accountability. There are independents elected to the House and the Senate, including some currently serving. Why then, is it such a controversial issue for the Presidential election? The party system in America has changed several times before the one we currently have (Will you be voting for the Whig party for President this election?). The current party system has gotten really destructive to the preservation of our political system, and so the larger social movement (other than the minority of brainwashed hyper partisans on both sides) is to open the process up to new institutions that reflect the various ideas of modern America. The two parties are resisting this with everything they've got... but at some point, they'll have to answer to themselves whether they identify more with their political party or as an American. For the long term stability and sustainability of this grand experiment we've got to last, the current two parties need to give up their monopolies (they won't). This is why America will be a failed experiment: Cause of death? Democrats and Republicans. You don't let anyone else vote in these elections REALLY (because we're throwing away our votes unless we vote for either party), so this is a country of and for Democrats and Republicans... and that's about it. The will of the people doesn't even enter into the equation, let alone determine the direction of the country.

    20. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, start your own political party and run against both of them in the next electio.... oh wait. Nevermind.

    21. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was no voting fraud alleged or indicated. The DNC favored the Clinton campaign in violation of the DNC's own equal treatment provisions. That's it. No fraud, no massive corruption. Very little in fact and absolutely nothing unanticipated considering Sanders is a socialist.

    22. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand what Corney said. He said that the case wasn't worth prosecuting. In fact, nobody who did what Clinton did, which is allow classified material to be put on non-classified systems by negligence, has faced serious criminal prosecution, so he was correct in what he said and recommended.

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    23. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by LeftCoastThinker · · Score: 1

      a) Sorry, let me clarify, THE FBI found that 110 emails contained classified information, including 8 that contained top secret, the highest level of classification, and two emails that were marked classified at the time they were sent. (This does not include several thousand emails which have now been marked classified but were not strictly marked classified at the time. This is the point of secured email systems for the Secretary of State; much of what they create may be classified, though not so marked at the time, and you want to protect that shit from spies.) You might want to pay attention to the news and maybe watch the FBI reporting on this to congress.

      https://www.c-span.org/video/?...

      check out 33:36 for some very straight facts on the case, extracted by a former federal prosecutor.

      http://www.politifact.com/trut...

      b) She was sent a subpoena by congress for all her private server emails which she used for work at the state department, after she failed to turn them over 2 years earlier when she left the state department, as required by the federal records act, which is supposed to take all of her correspondence and archive it for FOIA requests. The federal government has a 100% retention requirement for high ranking government officials. She worked for us and we have a right to review her non-classified work at any time. The 60 day retention policy is pure bullshit.

      c) Legislators are accountable every 4 or 6 years (house and senate respectively). DO YOU HAVE A CLUE HOW OUR GOVERNMENT WORKS?? The out of power party is always obstructionist to a degree. If you have a president who is a leader who will compromise to get things done, that is how the government works. Everyone gets something they want, but no one gets everything that they want. Obama has not figured this out in 8 years, so he gets out his pen and his phone. It didn't matter for Obama's first 2 years in office as he had majorities in both the house and senate. He rubbed it in everyone's face "elections have consequences" and used his majorities to pass the ACA, a massive overreach of government power (the penalty for not buying a product from a private company wasn't a tax until the supreme court, then it sure as hell was).

      d) We have anything but the two best candidates. Hillary is a liar and a law breaker, and literally every other candidate in the republican primary was better than Trump, he mainly got nominated by non-republicans (i.e. Democrats) seeking to fuck up the process:

      http://www.redstate.com/diary/...

      So no, the two major parties to not have the best candidates this time around, and if you think so you need to stop smoking whatever you have been smoking.

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    24. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I felt the same way a few short weeks ago.

      As the election draws closer I get more and more scared of what a Trump Presidency would *really* mean. I'm middle-class. I really LIKE being middle-class. If we watch the world burn, we can expect a good 10-15 years of Anarchy before we get anywhere near a recovery. (That's the average for most nations - you can assume that we would recover faster, but IMO that's just folly)

      I'm still undecided...probably third party. Probably. I'm old.

    25. Re:Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sure he is, but he's a less dangerous cretin than the stubby-fingered alternative.

  10. A collection of articles on Russian influence ops by daveschroeder · · Score: 0, Troll

    For those wanting some context, here is a collection of articles from a variety of sources. For those saying "show me the evidence", they wouldn't believe any evidence -- or are themselves Russian trolls.

    What Does Putin Want?
    5 Oct 2016

    The United States should pursue confrontation where necessary and mutual interests without illusions where possible.

    However therapeutic and tempting, especially during election season and after Russiaâ(TM)s direct complicity in the Syria horror, the understandable impulse to confront and isolate President Vladamir Putinâ(TM)s Russia is not wise policy. Notwithstanding the many areas of altercation as well as the doomed attempt by President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to âoeresetâ U.S.-Russia relations after the George W. Bush administration, the next president should pursue a dual strategy designed both to challenge Putin where U.S. national interests demand it but find areas of collaboration where interests coincide. The United States should pursue confrontation where necessary and mutual interests without illusions where possible.

    http://nationalinterest.org/fe...

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    Russia Suspends Nuclear Agreement, Ends Uranium Research Pact With United States
    5 Oct 2016

    âoeThe regular renewal of sanctions against Russia ... demands the adoption of countermeasures against the U.S. side.â

    Russia further curtailed its cooperation with the United States in nuclear energy on Wednesday, suspending a research agreement and terminating one on uranium conversion, two days after the Kremlin shelved a plutonium pact with Washington.

    The Russian government said that as counter-measures to the U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia over Ukraine, it was putting aside a nuclear and energy-related research pact with the United States.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

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    Russian state newspapers predict âdirect military conflictâ(TM) with US as it compares Syria stalemate to Cuban missile crisis
    5 Oct 2016

    'Third World War' fears have been voiced by the newspapers over the growing tensions with the USA

    A RUSSIAN newspaper fears a Third World War with the US over Syria.

    Tabloid Moskovsky Komsomolets predicts a âoedirect military confrontationâ on par with the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/...

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    Russiaâ(TM)s Military Sophistication in the Arctic Sends Echoes of the Cold War
    4 Oct 2016

    Norwegian, NATO and U.S. officials express concerns over Moscowâ(TM)s increased sophistication in region

    When the U.S. wants to learn what Russia is doing in the Arctic, it often turns to the Norwegian military, which has been conducting operations for decades from this Arctic town amid the fiords.

    These days, it isnâ(TM)t the volume of Russian military activity in the region that concerns Norway and its North Atlantic Treaty Organization allies. Adm. Haakon Bruun-Hanssen, Norwayâ(TM)s chief of defense, says Russian military activity in the Barents Sea has grown in recent years but still pales in comparison to Cold War levels.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/ru...

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    Amid Deteriorating U.S.-Russia Relations, Questions Grow About Cyberwar
    4 Oct 2016

    Just when you thought U.S.-Russia relations couldn't get worse, diplomatic deals on both Syria and nuclear security fell apart this week.

    Moscow went first, announcing that it was pulling out of a landmark agreement on plutonium. Russia's President V

  11. Hacking ballots would not effect election results by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Because your vote does not matter. Thanks electoral colleges...

  12. Yeah, we know how you feel by elrous0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...said pretty much every country in South America and the middle east that have had the U.S. government interfering in their elections for decades.

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  13. Crying Wolf by sciengin · · Score: 0

    Now I dont like Putin or the rest of his cleptocracy either, but always pointing to Russia as the bad guys when it is convenient, instead of when it has been proven (or at least shown beyond reasonable doubt) will and already does lead to a desensitivization effect.

    The more often it is claimed "Russia did X" without reasonable evidence, the less believeable it will become, until the day when they really do something monstrous and no one will belive it. See the myth about Germanys extermination camps in WWI vs. their actual extermination camps in WWII which were at first disbelieved by many when the first reports appeared.

    Already here in Europe we see the first effects of this: Most people are more inclined to believe whatever RT (aka. the Ministry of RussianTruths) tells them instead of facts. Particularly when it comes to anything refugee or Ukraine related.

    1. Re:Crying Wolf by quantaman · · Score: 2

      Now I dont like Putin or the rest of his cleptocracy either, but always pointing to Russia as the bad guys when it is convenient, instead of when it has been proven (or at least shown beyond reasonable doubt) will and already does lead to a desensitivization effect.

      The more often it is claimed "Russia did X" without reasonable evidence, the less believeable it will become, until the day when they really do something monstrous and no one will belive it. See the myth about Germanys extermination camps in WWI vs. their actual extermination camps in WWII which were at first disbelieved by many when the first reports appeared.

      Already here in Europe we see the first effects of this: Most people are more inclined to believe whatever RT (aka. the Ministry of RussianTruths) tells them instead of facts. Particularly when it comes to anything refugee or Ukraine related.

      I think there's three parts to the case:

      1) There are multiple attacks against many targets, meaning multiple talented individuals working together, suggestive of a state actor.

      2) A lot of the tools had been used in other hacks, hacks which had a clear strategic benefit to Russia. (It's not clear how easy it would have been for other groups to have obtained these tools)

      3) The half-hearted denials from Russia are kinda Putin's MO. Officially Russia has nothing to do with them, but he wants to make sure people know Russia has the capability.

      There's one big doubt for me, and that's Guccifer 2.0. Putin having his intelligence service claim to be a guy from Romania who is carrying the mantle of a guy best known for guessing password reset questions... it's not exactly something that inspires awe. I'd expect the front to be something more bad-ass like a Russian equivalent to Anonymous.

      Then again if Guccifer 2.0 was real he has some real technical chops. When looking at the original Guccifer I'd sooner expect him to spit in contempt and say "Ha! This is what a real hacker does!", not to pay homage by becoming his successor.

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    2. Re:Crying Wolf by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      There's one big doubt for me, and that's Guccifer 2.0. Putin having his intelligence service claim to be a guy from Romania who is carrying the mantle of a guy best known for guessing password reset questions... it's not exactly something that inspires awe.

      On the other hand I think that's exactly the sort of title that a middle manager government bureaucrat would consider to be a "cool cyber name" rather than one an actual elite lone hacker would choose.

  14. Perception management by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Russia, if they did it, should have also sold the e-mails for the usual data-mining for targeted ads, or passed it back to the NSA to add these to the privacy violations of all our other citizens.

    Then it'd be "dual use", and it'd be fine according to our government and corporations.

  15. Putin's next tough guy photo-op... by bazmail · · Score: 3, Funny

    In front of a PC coding in C?

    1. Re:Putin's next tough guy photo-op... by maliqua · · Score: 2

      you forgot shirtless

    2. Re:Putin's next tough guy photo-op... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only either of our candidates could go shirtless...

    3. Re:Putin's next tough guy photo-op... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      I do my haxx0ring while riding a horse.

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  16. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by bazmail · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Wow it's almost as if you had all these references waiting for an article like this. Who does that? ... he asked knowingly

  17. Transparently corrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    How dare the Russians expose the fact that the DNC rigged its elections, funneled all the money to Hillary, is using papers like the Washington Post as sockpuppets, or holding clandestine fundraisers their own lawyers forbade! This is the most transparent administration ever!

    It's all Russia's fault that people believe the DNC is corrupt! You can't trust those damn Rooskies. I watch out for Rooskies every day, I can see Russia from my back yard.

    1. Re:Transparently corrupt by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forgot the part about committing election finance fraud by funneling millions of dollars through different State PACs to launder illegal contributions. (That came out more recently with the G 2.0 leaks.)

  18. Romney was right? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wha?

  19. And Americans will just suck it up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    like the dumb sheep they are. The government can just point and hiss at any country or group now, and the people will believe it, no matter what.

  20. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    tl;dr: Putin is an asshole.

    Seriously, you need a LOT of words for saying something so simple.

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    We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
  21. Re:Hacking ballots would not effect election resul by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tho your point is valid, was putting it in reply to this comment really the right spot for it?

  22. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Holy fucking autism, batman!

  23. Re: Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just like no one cares we are loosing billions of billions of dollars to tax evasion. We have the proof, Panama papers anyone?.. Only thing that matters in the US anymore is corruption.

  24. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by BradMajors · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This is pretty strong evidence that the Obama regime is blaming Russia for everything regardless of whether or not there are any facts to support their claim.

  25. trememdous disaster by MooseTick · · Score: 1

    This assessment is a trememdous disaster. I'm pretty sure it was somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds.

  26. Blame by blackomegax · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't care if they blame bigfoot. The information released was still damning of the corruption inside the DNC. Fuck the DNC. They don't deserve any votes for burning Bernie.

    1. Re:Blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      When you wrote essays in college did you have professors who refused to grade higher than a C? Possibly because you never included specific evidence to back up your claims?

      I am peeved at the DNC too - I supported Sanders and they clearly made an executive decision that Clinton would be their candidate this year in spite of how the primaries went. That isn't quite the same as widespread corruption. If you think the RNC's hands are clean - well, that's because this year they completely dropped the ball and couldn't find a single candidate to get behind. Take your pick - Clinton or Trump? Voting Trump because Bernie isn't on the ballot is akin to cutting your testicles off because your favorite restaurant told you they ran out of Root Beer and then you saw them refill some lady across the room's glass of it.

    2. Re:Blame by david_thornley · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you think the RNC is significantly better just because you haven't seen their emails, you're naive.

      Sanders had a chance. Under the circumstances, he had to do considerably better than Clinton to get the nomination, and that's pretty much as it should be. He's less electable than Clinton, would be less effective in office, and isn't actually a Democrat. I supported him primarily to try to push the party to the left. It was reasonable to want him to perform a lot better than Clinton in order to get the nomination.

      The first election I voted in was 1972. I do NOT want a repeat of someone like McGovern getting nominated.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    3. Re:Blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm sure the RNC emails are all about sabotaging Trump's campaign, just like DNC backstabbed Bernie.

      The fact that all these corrupt, lying, warmongering, career-criminal cocksuckers on both sides of the spectrum don't want him in power should indicate to people that he's not part of that clique. If you're tired of the corruption on both sides, vote for Trump. He seems to be the only chance for any change right now.

    4. Re: Blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing more to this than Clinton roping in the neocon voters disaffected by Trumps isolationism. Yes the Central America-meddling, regime- toppling, Russkie hating, journalist muzzling, arms mongering kind of neocon.

    5. Re:Blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every single poll showed Bernie had a substantially larger lead over Trump than Clinton's lead over Trump.

      That is NOT an exaggeration. Literally EVERY SINGLE POLL had Bernie way ahead of the Republican field.

      You are either lying or ignorant when you say that Bernie is a less electable candidate than Hillary. She is one of the most distrusted figures in Washington and she was under FBI investigation for the entirety of the primaries.

    6. Re: Blame by BlueStrat · · Score: 1

      ...arms mongering kind of neocon.

      You mean like when Clinton's State Dept. was arranging through US Ambassador Stevens for further arms shipments (illegally) to Syrian rebels (who later turned out...oopsies!...to be ISIS fighters) at a place called Benghazi?

      Who then used those US-provided arms to massively expand their territories and rape, kill, burn to death in cages, behead, enslave, and sell as chattel/sex-slaves thousands upon thousands of innocent people, including children?

      And, oh yeah, along the way these Syrian rebels/ISIS fighters murdered Ambassador Stevens while Clinton and Obama refused to send help because it would uncover their illegal arms smuggling operations, even going so far as to tell the next of kin it was a YouTube video to blame.

      Progressive/establishment Republicans have been bad in the past (Iran-Contra, Air America, etc) don't get me wrong, but don't go acting like Progressive/establishment Democrats are any less lawbreaking/corrupt. It's a race to the bottom and no matter who wins, we all lose.

      But, keep on believing in and voting for the (R)s and (D)s the parties select while dismissing any other options out of hand. Look how well that's worked so far!

      Strat

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      Progressivism (aka US 'Liberalism'): Ideas so good they need a police/surveillance-state to enforce.
    7. Re:Blame by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      Looking to Trump as a saviour from corruption is like believing that you can extinguish a fire by dousing it with gasoline.

      If Trump actually represents anything other than being a poster child for the Me Me Me Generation, it's that, in his world, anything and everything IS FOR SALE. If that looks a lot like the definition of "corruption"...? Perhaps there's a reason for that.

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      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
    8. Re:Blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bernie kept running long after everyone knew he didn't have a chance. He was wasting DNC resources and chipping away at what the DNC saw as a solid base to assure the next Democratic President.

      He was spending the DNC money, for the purposes of weakening a Democratic alliance behind the one candidate which was overwhelmingly likely to win. As much as you might like Bernie, Bernie never broke 25% of the popular vote in any large polling. His insistence on running until the very end did nothing but fracture the community.

      I would like to remind you of another time when this happened. Ross Perot basically played a similar game with the RNC, which was instrumental in weakening the support for George Bush, to the degree it permitted President Clinton to take office.

      It seems reasonable that Bernie was acting on his own best interests, hoping to build up name recognition for a future run of the Presidency or some other higher office; but, if you are going to cry over the DNC doing stuff to oust him, then consider what you would be asking. Currently the ticket is roughly a 40% 60% split between Trump and Clinton, with 15% of the post-Bernie supporters slightly split between favoring Clinton and Trump.

      And if you think it's dirty pool on the DNC's part, fine. But remember that when Bernie was speaking, he was directly attacking Clinton. One reaps what they sew. Your party won't support you if you're trying to tank their only shot at the Presidency.

    9. Re:Blame by chihowa · · Score: 1

      Looking to Trump as a saviour from corruption is like believing that you can extinguish a fire by dousing it with gasoline.

      I can't stomach the thought of actually voting for Trump, but if it comes to either him or Hillary, I'm hoping that he wins for just the reasoning that you mention.

      I think that it's time to start pouring gasoline on this fire and either burn up all of the dead rotten wood at once or at least stoke the flames to the point that people wake up to the fact that we should actually do something to address the endemic corruption. Keeping the corruption just below the threshold for outrage only allows it to spread and calcify and ultimately makes it harder to get rid of.

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      If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
    10. Re:Blame by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what the polls said.

      Clinton has been subject to continuing vicious Republican attacks for quite a few years now, which, unfortunately, is why she's distrusted. What this means is that her opponents are not going to dig up anything new to use against her.

      Sanders, on the other hand, was not significantly attacked by Republicans during the nomination campaign. They were piling up the dirt to use against him. He's a self-declared Socialist, which doesn't bother me but which would bother a lot of people who'd at least consider voting Republican. His popularity was going to go seriously down once the Republicans started their attacks. I think he's less electable. I could be wrong, but I don't think this is an argument from ignorance.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    11. Re:Blame by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      I don't think you understand how things work. Revolutions rarely turn out for the better. Smash the system and what replaces it will almost certainly be much worse. The US government has its problems, but overall it's pretty good.

      If you want to have an impact, I'd suggest identifying the corruption you see and at least trying to get some people to bring it up in public and vote against it.

      --
      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    12. Re:Blame by chihowa · · Score: 1

      I'm not talking about revolution. I'm talking about increasing public awareness of the extent of the problems in our society (corruption, etc) by making them more difficult to ignore.

      Only a fool thinks that electing either of the poor major party presidential choices is going to literally spark a world war or cause the country to crumble. While Trump may in a similar order of magnitude of corruption as Clinton, he's surely not going to be as crafty and good at hiding it as she has been. If he's a disaster, it will be a very visible disaster (gas on the fire) instead of a continuation of the pervasive smoldering corruption of the last bunch of presidents.

      If you want to have an impact, I'd suggest identifying the corruption you see and at least trying to get some people to bring it up in public and vote against it.

      The way people apologize for the corruption of both of the candidates (but especially Hillary; maybe it's unfair of me to expect more integrity from the left) makes me think that the corruption needs to be more visible to make an impression.

      --
      If you want a vision of the future, imagine a youtube comments section scrolling - forever.
    13. Re:Blame by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Okay, I forgot to ask this.

      Is that stuff actually from the DNC? Is all of it? Where did it come from? Someone hacked into the DNC, apparently, so we've got it starting with a criminal acting with political motives. For any of you who remember the old-style hackers, this isn't one of them. This is a bona fide criminal. There's evidence, not conclusive, that it's state-sponsored Russian cracking. It then came through Assange, who is not known as a paragon of honesty, particularly if he can get a few moments in the limelight. (He's also a criminal, specifically a fugitive from justice.)

      In other words, lots of you are getting inflamed by completely unreliable evidence. I know it's hard to be critical of information sources that favor your point of view (I'm starting to get okay at it, after decades of trying), but let's be a little rational about this.

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      "When you have eliminated the unacceptable, whatever is left, however improbable, must be the truthiness" - Holmes
    14. Re:Blame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is it so often that the only defense is to attack the other side? He didn't say anything pro-R in his post, but you're attacking as if he had ended with "so I'm voting Trump."

      There are a LOT of us who want to watch both parties burn.

  27. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > For those wanting some context, here is a collection of articles from a variety of sources. For those saying "show me the evidence", they wouldn't believe any evidence -- or are themselves Russian trolls.

    That's exactly what a Correct The Record shill would say.

  28. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TIL: slashdot has a 'read the rest of this comment" feature.

    what is even more surprising is how long a comment needs to be to hit that.

  29. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by JoshuaZ · · Score: 1

    Thank you for taking the time and effort to post these links.

  30. Eyes wide shut by thunderclees · · Score: 1

    If it is even true it is interesting to see that the Russians are doing more for transparency then the pop media, the DNC and the alphabet mafia.

    1. Re:Eyes wide shut by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      If it is even true it is interesting to see that the Russians are doing more for transparency then the pop media, the DNC and the alphabet mafia.

      Doing more for transparency (in areas where it serves their interests) Let's talk about transparency in their involvment in Ukraine... what? those soldiers are just on vacation? the people voted overwhelmingly to annex Crimea!? .. well hell.. it must be true because Russia is the champion of (conservatives) errr. transparency in government!

    2. Re:Eyes wide shut by William+Baric · · Score: 2

      Imagine if there was a coup in Mexico from a pro-Russia party and supported by Russia. Do you think the US would only send a few soldiers and annex a small part of the country? Compared to the US, Russia is a saint. Oh, and by the way, if you take the time to learn about the history of Crimea, you'll realize it was always Russian. People who live there consider themselves as Russian. That's why the referendum in Crimea was overwhelmingly to leave Ukraine and join Russia.

    3. Re:Eyes wide shut by Dutchmaan · · Score: 1

      hmm.. what happened to all the Tatars?

    4. Re:Eyes wide shut by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      What Tatars? I don't see any Tatars...

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  31. Another outsourced job: exposing wrongdoing? by mveloso · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Wait, the US Government is accusing another government of attempting to influence an election by exposing wrongdoing?

    That's bizarre.

    I suppose if the press was doing its job instead of being Democratic spear-carriers we wouldn't need some other country to do the press' work for them.

  32. False flag operation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Excuse to redo the election if Trump wins.

  33. All the evidence by phantomfive · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Here is the relevant text from the government's release (ps what kind of url is that? files.scribblelive.com?):

    The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.

    There's not a whole lot of evidence there. It would be interesting to know what sort of things Russia has done in Europe and Asia.

    --
    "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    1. Re:All the evidence by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Is this hoax? There wasn't a press conference or anything, was someone spoofing the government's email address to send it out to the press?

      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    2. Re:All the evidence by daveschroeder · · Score: 0

      There isn't any "evidence" in the press release. It's an announcement; an accusation.

      With regard to your last question, here is a starting point:

      https://www.washingtonpost.com...

      If you're looking for more, start here:

      https://slashdot.org/comments....

    3. Re:All the evidence by phantomfive · · Score: 1
      --
      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    4. Re:All the evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >There's not a whole lot of evidence there.

      Not a whole lot? There's NO evidence provided! There's just assertions that the Russian are doing something because that's what they're probably doing in Europe and Asia. I don't know how old you are phantomfive, but, take it from someone who grew up during the middle of the Cold War, I know a Red Scare when I see one.

    5. Re:All the evidence by AHuxley · · Score: 1

      At best all the US has is:
      ip range, easy to produce by other actors or a staging server.
      Time zone, stay up late or early.
      Very easy to find code litter of method understood by private security contractors left all after server after event.
      No detection on entry, no detection during gathering of data, no detection on data movement.
      After event, easy to find logs, trail and well understood method by private sector experts.
      Experts who then talk to waiting media about what was found...
      If this was another nation with secret and unexpected methods, why allow such easy media national access?
      Recall the operations around another nations entry into a friendly nations telco system.
      The reaction? No real media and to call in "military intelligence services" to halt further public understanding.
      Operation Socialist The Inside Story Of How British Spies Hacked Belgium’s Largest Telco (Dec. 13 2014)
      https://theintercept.com/2014/...
      'they dismissed media reports about the attack, and declined to discuss anything about the perpetrator"
      Hard to find, no trace, not expected and hard to work out what was used, few media comments. Very different from running to the media by contractors.

      --
      Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
    6. Re:All the evidence by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      That could give a motive for Russia not wanting Clinton to win: Putin is trying to influence the Balkans, and if anyone has more influence/respect in that region, it's Bill Clinton.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
  34. hillary emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where are they?

  35. Hardly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Instead, most of the posters on Slashdot are going to be falling all over each other denying the Russians had anything to do with it.

    See, what really happened was that the Catholic church ordered Trump to have his buddy Putin order his guys into hacking into the DNC to discredit Clinton. But that's not the end game.

    See, ignorant people don't realize that Trump's wife is from Slovenia and that it's mostly Catholic. And there's a lot of resentment towards the Russians for their rule during the Cold War and for having been forced to live in a country that was then called Yugoslavia - (ICK!)

    What's a girl to do?

    Well, she marries Trump to get her green card - and to plan her revenge on the Russians. See, why do you think that Trump has that bromance with Putin? To get close to him! D'uh.

    But although Melania thinks she's playing everyone, it's really the Catholic Church is playing everyone and she's just a pawn in their game.

    But that's not all, see within the Catholic Church there is a Protestant secret faction who's game is for control. But what they don't know is that they are being manipulated by Presbyterians in NY that is controlled - Yep! You got it! Donald John Trump JUNIOR!

    But little does he know that he's being controlled by Ivanka. See, Ivanka want's control of everything and what she doesn't know is that Bill Clinton wants to get into her pants. And the only way to do that is for his wife to lose and he "advises" the Trump Presidency.

    So, to make this end a little quicker, it's all Bill Clinton's fault.

  36. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by daveschroeder · · Score: 1, Troll

    Yes, there couldn't be any other reason for anyone to collect such articles...

    ...except posting them to slashdot, and finally be outed as a pro-US shill.

    Foiled again!

  37. Conspiracy Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I have a theory that Russia is trying to get Trump elected because it's a surefire way to destroy the USA.

    1. Re:Conspiracy Theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or Russia doesn't want to get pushed into a war by Herren Hitlary if she wins.

  38. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is pretty strong evidence that the Obama regime is blaming Russia for everything regardless of whether or not there are any facts to support their claim.

    Yet all I see here is insinuation. Strange that.

  39. Nothing to see here by rworne · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion,"

    That's rich. With all the whining and hand-wringing about not trusting electronic voting machines since the Bush administration, we already know many cannot be audited and leave no paper trail of ballots cast by voters.

    Yeah, they can't because we simply won't know if they did.

    --
    I tried every decent and legal way I could think of to resolve the issue w/the business before I rented the chicken suit
    1. Re:Nothing to see here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're not generally networked, so any such attack would require a physical presence, that is thousands upon thousands of operatives fucking with election machines. Unless you're asserting that Russia has altered election machine source code to pick candidates years in advance of them actually being on ballots.

  40. Russian digital immigrants! by TiggertheMad · · Score: 4, Funny

    Trump will build a firewall and get the Russians to pay for it.

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    HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
    1. Re:Russian digital immigrants! by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 0

      "Trump will build a firewall and get the Russians to pay for it."

      ... and he'll have them design it too, because it is to expensive to do in the US, and that's just smart business ... but everyone else should so he doesn't have to or they should be ashamed because they are the reason America isn't "great" anymore.

      --
      Guns don't kill people; Physics kills people! - John Lithgow as Dick Solomon on Third Rock From The Sun
    2. Re: Russian digital immigrants! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He will just use Cisco. They will blow right through it.

    3. Re:Russian digital immigrants! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sadly, he'll probably "take the Internet back"...so there goes the free exchange of information between cultures. *sigh*.

  41. Russia Officially Does not Care by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They Stole part of two countries.
    Bombed a UN Aid Convoy.
    Shot down an Airliner.
    Among other things.

    Putin's response: What? You Gonna do something about it?

  42. Controlled by Russia? by almostadnsguy · · Score: 1

    So, Trump is controlled by Russia, Hillary is controlled by China... By control I mean funded by. How come the US populace hasn't decided to elect anyone else?

  43. I'm sure... by argStyopa · · Score: 1

    ...investigations will continue to the exact degree Trump either makes it close or leads the race...

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    -Styopa
  44. Loyal Democrats by hduff · · Score: 1

    Loyal Democrats are urged to not read them and deny their authenticity to Republicans.

    --
    "I believe in Karma. That means I can do bad things to people all day long and I assume they deserve it." : Dogbert
  45. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kinda like the lack of evidence actually showing Russia had anything to do with the hack. Strange that.

  46. Re: Curse them for revealing the DNC's voter fraud by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Panama papers were 99% eurotaxevaders. American law requires an additional 'cutoff' (corporate shell), very few Americans were using that evasion method.

    --
    John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
  47. DHS blaming Seth Rich's death on Putin too? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just wondering.

  48. 17 choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, the Republicans had 17 people to choose from. Would you rather have Carly Fiorina? Another Bush? Warmongerer Lindsey Graham? The Brain surgeon whom thinks the Pyramids store food (Maybe he plays Civilization 2?)....

    I wonder how many people wish Ron Paul had run in 2016?

  49. Thank you Russia!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anyone else see the irony though in Russia uncovering more political corruption within the USA than the US's own FBI?

  50. Re:Hacking ballots would not effect election resul by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    But your vote does matter. You vote for the electors. The electoral college was set up to protect the power of the states. If you get a large percentage of the vote in certain states but narrowly lose in many others it is possible to lose the election even with a clear majority of votes nationally. States count more than total votes.

  51. Whiners as well as incompetents by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just makes the Democrats look like whiners on top of being idiots. They should never have put what leaked in writing let alone email. Now they are complaining Russia took advantage of their incompetence.

    Having a corrupt administration is bad
    Having an incompetent corrupt administration is worse
    Having an incompetent corrupt administration that that blames everyone else is Venezuela

    1. Re:Whiners as well as incompetents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can tell they're getting desperate. After burying the story where Hillary called Bernie supporters a bunch of "basement dwellers" they're now digging up ridiculous stories about how Trump called a fat woman fat (oh no?) and right now the major news story is that behind closed doors, in private, Trump talks like an average man. And this is somehow a negative.

      Meanwhile you have stories about the DNC rigging the primaries, getting caught exercising pay-for-play, doing deals to get Russia uranium, and who knows what else Wikileaks will reveal this month - and instead the news is talking about Russians "influencing our election" and Trump being an average man. (Never mind that Trump has never sexually assaulted anyone and Bill Clinton has - multiple times.)

      The Dems are getting desperate and blaming Russia is part of that.

    2. Re:Whiners as well as incompetents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what else the Democrats look like? -- Winners, at least in the presidential race. Check the polls.

    3. Re: Whiners as well as incompetents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The polls that are overwhelming run by liberal organizations? If Trump doesn't win in November it won't be due to polls, it will be due to further election rigging by the Democrats.

    4. Re:Whiners as well as incompetents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You seem mighty happy to be getting the shit end of the stick son.

    5. Re:Whiners as well as incompetents by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

      If The Donald says that average men talk that way, it must be true, of course!

      --
      Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
  52. Not exactly a definitive confirmation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

    This phrasing seems weasely. It's like there's missing part of the sentence - "We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities if, in fact, the Russian government was responsible.

    Not a single iota of hard evidence has been presented by the government. There's just been lots and lots of speculation by the media and innuendo by US government officials.

  53. Not irrelevant by DavidMZ · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whether the Russians had anything to do with it is irrelevant until people start acknowledging the appalling corruption that the hacks revealed. That should be first and foremost in the discussion. Whether it was the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, or Klingons doesn't really matter. That piece of information takes second priority to that fact that our elections are rigged.

    The corruption in the DNC is a problem, and I hope that the registered Democrats will look at it seriously and bring reforms to their own party.

    However, it doesn't make the origin of the hack irrelevant. We are now in the general elections and it should be a worrying fact to the American people, both Republicans and Democrats, that a foreign power is trying to influence our elections.

    Good God, why is this so hard to understand?

    We get it, and God has nothing to do with it.

    1. Re:Not irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't that the point of foreign governments?
      Trying to influence things to their advantage?
      You must have been born yesterday if any of this is a surprise to you. Or an extreme hypocrite since the US is by far the worst offender here.
      Maybe you are both!

    2. Re:Not irrelevant by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Do you think this is the only instance of foreign governments trying to influence US elections? And what do you propose we do about it?

      --
      We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
  54. Security countermeasures? by Pentomino · · Score: 1

    If there are any voting machines running on PCs, it is essential that they disconnect public-facing USB ports from the motherboard. Because if your goal is to shut down or slow down a polling place, then you don't need a sophisticated hacking device, just a power spike that disables one of your machines.

    If we had time, we could design a USB port with an alarm in it so that we could catch tamperers in the act.

    1. Re:Security countermeasures? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If all you care about is a power spike to disable an electronic machine there really is no need for a USB port, any old part of the case, keyboard or point of contact that can transmit a short shock will suffice.

  55. LOL Hysterical.... by ogdenk · · Score: 1

    They've dumped more money and evidence into shifting attention to the Russians over this than the crimes and deceit unearthed by the hacks. And there's still no definitive proof the hack was state-sponsored. In the end they are just butt-hurt and want to distract you from the real problem.

    While I'm not comfortable with them hacking US organizations, I'm not comfortable with the fact we've been hacking Russian systems for ages and influencing politics in their puppet states either. In the end, I'm more inclined to thank the Russians and spend all the money and effort to remove Clinton than to engage in butt-hurt sabre rattling over this.

    If there weren't disgusting things committed in the first place, there would be nothing for them to attempt to influence an election with. I'm far more concerned about Clinton's BS than the fact the Russians exposed it.

  56. Slashdot's Pro-Trump Taint by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both the editors and the most-upvoted commenters seem to be pedaling for Trump and it's gotten to the point where, what I assumed to be a bastion for rationality and critical thinking, has become ad hominem spin.

    Yes, the DNC shit was corrupt, but we have an opaque wall into Trump's internal emails considering no nation state has tried so blatantly to get Clinton elected president.

    Take off your glasses and see that Trump offers nothing to the country but an enormous and sensitive ego with no sense of compassion nor critical thought.

  57. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Xenographic · · Score: 1

    They're all from the Washington Post too. Didn't we read about the WaPo in the email leaks? Why yes, yes we did -

    https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emai...

    I do post that one link a lot, but mostly because it's gotten no real attention, everyone is looking at Russian boogeymen and getting distracted from the up-front corruption.

  58. Double standard indeed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that the point of foreign governments?
    Trying to influence things to their advantage?
    You must have been born yesterday if any of this is a surprise to you. Or an extreme hypocrite since the US is by far the worst offender here.

  59. Um, duh? by s.petry · · Score: 1

    Not being able to prove "why" she did it is not the same as proving "that" she did it. "Why" requires a bit of character investigation which was completely ignored. Literally a trail of such "luck" follows both Clinton criminals^Wpoliticians (yes, both of them), mainly because the media has covered for them since Clinton was Governor.

    Hillary claimed she had no classified emails on her server. FBI director claimed she "did in fact" have classified emails on her server. Clinton claimed "none marked classified" and again the FBI director stated "there were emails _marked_ classified. Read Trey Gowdy's questions if you have doubts, but I'm guessing that you find facts inconvenient. You can find his portion of the hearing on Youtube if you are too lazy to read.

    Clinton and her staff can't even tell the truth about her being ill, which perfectly demonstrates the character of the person. Being responsible and not coughing pneumonia carrying bacteria over at least the dozens of people that heard her speaking was not as important as her lust for power. And go ahead and ask your doctor about that so called "non contagious" variety which amazingly does not exist. I guess this was the great diagnosis from the amazing medical institute called "Chelsea's apartment". Whew, I feel so much better now!

    Sadly I don't see Johnson as Libertarian at all. He Governed his State that way from what I hear, but during his Presidential campaign he looks very much like a Democrat. That "could" just be that he's a bad spokesperson for himself, but considering the way this election cycle has gone I'm skeptical of everything and everyone in politics.

    --

    -The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.

    1. Re:Um, duh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's assume that everything you've written above is true.

      What makes Trump BETTER than that? Seriously, the man can't even keep track of his own lies. His ability to know the difference between reality and his personal narrative is one of the most frightening things I've ever had the misfortune to witness.

      People say, "Oh, it's not like he can just launch nukes...other people would stop him."

      Really? Where are all of the Republicans that were going to stop him in the last year? You think he can't use an Executive Order to change the rules? If you think that that is even a remote possibility and you are STILL willing to vote for that piece of shit, you are insane. I don't mean that in a laughing/joking way. I mean that there is something wrong with your brain that makes it not work properly. You should seek help. Seriously. Let someone else drive you because your judgement is severely impaired.

  60. In Other News... by jennatalia · · Score: 0

    Water is wet.

  61. They only claim it's the Russkies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since they appear even more incompetent if it's anyone else. Sorry guys, it's script kiddies all the way down...

  62. Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How do we know Seth Rich didn't leak the information.

    Oh, he's dead by the way. Murdered and no money stolen.

    1. Re:Bullshit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://nypost.com/2016/08/10/julian-assange-suggests-dnc-staffer-was-shot-dead-for-being-a-source/

      Wonder why Julian Assange considers it.

  63. Safe voting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm sure the voting machines will be fine.
    They have the latest version of Windows XP on them.

  64. Irrelevant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Irrelevant? How is it irrelevant?

    There was a time when the Repubs were the law and order party. Nothing could be discussed regarding evidence if the evidence was tainted by illegality.

    I fear that your partisanship has altered your moral code. Trump literally encouraged Russian hackers to hack more, hack longer, and hack more effectively, so long as it was aimed at the Dems of course.

    Hackers must not be encouraged. Hackers must not be enabled. Hacking builds their skill sets, emboldens and enables them. Hacking is a crime. When will you acknowledge that hacking is a crime? Would you be so blasé if the Repubs were hacked? Do you want your credit cards hacked? Are you OK with it if your medical records are hacked, you know, because someone did something wrong at the hospital (or not)?

    It's a sad day when partisanship prevents you from seeing the societal harm. This isn't about Repubs vs. Dems, or the election, or any of that. It's about the ability of citizens to live their lives, unmolested by criminals.

    Irrelevant? I think not.

  65. Well Cry Me a River by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's the point of trying to shame Russia by publicly accusing them? Does Obama really believe that Putin gives two shits about US whining over Russian hacking? What's needed here is some old school Cold War style tit-for-tat. If I were the US President, I would respond to the hacking by shooting down a few Russian jets in Syria. The US needs to make it clear to the Russians that meddling in our elections will have the most serious possible consequences.

  66. Damn by jfern · · Score: 1

    Richard Nixon had the decency to not blame the Russians for Watergate. We are going down a dark path.

  67. US record of interfering with elections is the wor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Funny that the junta in Washington doesn't mention their own subverting of foreign democracies, or the crass criminality and corruption at the heart of their own regime. It will be interesting to see if they can produce credible evidence this time. Recent statements from the US state department resemble those from Comical Ali, at the heart of the US invasion of Iraq. Does anyone believe a word they say any more. The US political system needs democratic reform desperately. Just look at the 'candidates' for imperial commander. You get to choose between a tangerine halfwit oaf, and a corrupt sociopath, perhaps even a pschopath.

  68. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't thank him, it's literally his job, check his post history.

  69. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow it's almost as if you had all these references waiting for an article like this. Who does that? ... he asked knowingly

    So your rebuttal to a specific list of clearly identified wide ranging news articles clearly showing Russia is attacking the US is ... to gently hint they might be gathered by someone with an agenda? That's it? And up above your Russian buddies are telling us that we should treat the emails as neutral evidence because the source of information isn't important.

    I think some people have absolutely no problems with cognitive dissonance.

  70. Re:A collection of articles on Russian influence o by daveschroeder · · Score: 0

    LOL...yeah, it's "my job". If a person articulates thoughts that don't agree with yours, and does it well, then â" well, then the only explanation is that they must be being paid by someone.

    The irony is that we're having this discussion on the topic of a foreign power actually interfering in the US election, with the express purpose of sowing distrust and discrediting democracy.

  71. Words vs. proofs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have read many hollow words, yet have not seen any solid proofs, other than many hollow words.

  72. Where's the proof by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    until people start acknowledging the appalling corruption that the hacks revealed.

    Yep why are were crying the "Russians are coming" when the acts revealed are much worse the the act of spying?

    I've been hearing this for weeks now and have yet to see One shred of evidence that the hack came from Russia. Damn anyone can hack a server in Russia and do a pivot off of that server to make it "Look" like the hack came from there. Really were is the proof?

    Personally I think this is a false flag attack so when our own government hacks the elections were have someone to blame.

  73. "urged to be vigilant." by Veritas1980 · · Score: 0

    "Yes, help us cover up our nefarious and illegal horseshit shenanigans." -The Democratic Party

  74. Let me get this straight... by PortHaven · · Score: 1

    Their proof of "Russia" being the hacker, is that well Russia would be motivated to hack and affect the U.S. election, and therefore we have a potential motivation. Russia also has the capabilities.

    Okay, yes, you have the motive, the tool and the opportunity. That can incriminate a suspect. But it utterly fails when a million others ALL have those same things.

  75. .. say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Despite the acknowledged threat, the DNI says digital attacks are unlikely to directly alter election results. "It would be extremely difficult for someone, including a nation-state actor, to alter actual ballot counts or election results by cyber attack or intrusion," '

    Meaning: There is no reason to worry about anyone altering the actual vote count because the vote count will never be allowed to alter the outcome of the election.