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White House Vows 'Proportional' Response For Russian DNC Hack (go.com)
After the Director of National Intelligence and Department of Homeland Security publicly blamed Russia for stealing and publishing archived emails from the Democratic National Committee on Friday, White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest said today that President Obama will consider a "proportional" response. ABC News reports: "We obviously will ensure that a U.S. response is proportional. It is unlikely that our response would be announced in advanced. It's certainly possible that the president could choose response options that we never announce," Earnest told reporters aboard Air Force One. "The president has talked before about the significant capabilities that the U.S. government has to both defend our systems in the United States but also carry out offensive operations in other countries," he added. "There are a range of responses that are available to the president and he will consider a response that's proportional." The Wall Street Journal report mentions several different ways to response to Russia. The U.S. could impose economic sanctions against Moscow, punish Russia diplomatically, opt to allow the Justice Department to simply prosecute the hacks as a criminal case, and/or launch a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process. Of course, each response has its pros and cons. "They could escalate into a more adversarial conflict between both countries," writes Carol E. Lee for the Wall Street Journal. "But the absence of a response could signal that such behavior will be tolerated in the future."
Seriously, hacking Russia back is the dumbest way they could respond to the DNC (a private organization, so they keep stressing every time voter fraud is brought up) hack.
Because Hillary and the DNC was embarrassed when trying to commit crimes.
Hillary for jail!
Is ANYONE really taking anything ANY politician says about ANYTHING for face value after all these Snowden, Manning, WikiLeaks and hack-leaks it should be utterly clear that the entire political class in the USA is beyond redemption and corrupted to the bone.
There is no rational discussion to have at this point. The whole system and the power players in place today are so corrupted and criminal its PROOF the media is completely in the bag to pain a picture - facebook, google, twitter, the media, the government - they all LIE by default - they lie, omit and change the narrative AT ALL TIMES.
Even secondary sources like slashdot, fark, reddit, this versioning of reality and total disregard of the facts and evidence is quite commonplace.
The reality you see online is YOUR version. You BELIEVE this version and look for snippets to support it.
But the SOURCE for many things, such as the LEAKS and EMAILS, and the like show and PROVE there is a vast concerted effort to propagandize and "PR" the news.
Liberty is dead. Publius is dead. Free speech is on the chopping block and anonymous use of the internet is about to come to a close as it has in China. We will be in mind-prisons.
Best find an Oculus and live in a false reality - the base reality we live in has turned so "1984"-ish its really quite scary.
who cares? Learn to use cryptography and stop blaming the ruskies. I'm glad nobody actually cares. Cybersecurity is such a hilarious term. Why can't we focus our efforts on eliminating hunger and poverty instead of proliferating the idea that one nation is more important than another?
Hillary is going after the video gamer vote so hard she promises to make Fallout real.
.... or that it was Russians...
Who benefits from the leaks? we do. You know - the citizens of the world.
if only to more easily convince his people to use domestic IT products rather than the US-made stuff (which contains backdoors for at least the US government agencies and backdoors for some far-east agencies which were added by the manufacturers who actually produced the hardware).
I'm being serious, I'm not sure what a proportional response would be. Attacking any their infrastructures would seem heavy handed, if not a invitation to war. Such as using something like stuxnet. At the same time, attacking their financial institutions would just invite a similar response.
Restore the madness of youth's lechery
I like Obama and all, but he's not going to retaliate against Putin. Obama is weak against foreign threats because he's concerned about offending Muslims.
We're sorry we didn't take security seriously. An action like this should never occurred, it is clearly our fault. We apologize to all those effected and will take steps to ensure this will never happen again, for either the DNC or RNC party.
. . . Who am I kidding, you guys (Russian pig dogs) hacked us so obviously that is a clear sign of which clown you don't want to be president. So the only solution is to vote that clown in now; so says the POTUS! (feel free to substitute either party at this point as the circus is in full swing).
Seriously guys the joke has gone on way too long, when are we going to see the real DNC and RNC candidates?
The DNC supposedly got hacked, not the US government. The US government has absolutely no reason to offer *any* response. The DNC might get angry about it (and maybe they can use that to continue to try to change the story away from their internal corruption) but they're not the US government.
Do you have ESP?
ok lets not care about security, lets put convenience on the forefront and then start an electronic war rather than deal with the actual cause.
well that has been our modus operandi when it comes to actual wars and foreign policy so why change now.
time to invest in the next gen govt electronic military industrial contractors. yayyyy raytheon stock will go up
Great.
So the DNC (a private organization) commits crimes.
Also, the DNC establishment favorite candidate is also a criminal domestically and probably globally.
So the DNC being in charge of the white house and the current white house administration being in collusion with agencies in charge of criminal investigation of DNS establishment favorite candidate rather than deny the crimes decide to point the finger at Russia.
Russia and USA are reportedly not on good terms.
So the DNC would (risk starting or flat out start) a war rather than admit their criminal behavior and activities (and resign)?
Thanks a lot Democratic Party.
Sure, Trump isn't great and I wish the presidential debates were not rigged to exclude the other 'lesser known' parties from participating on a national stage (that we pay taxes for), but let this be a reminder that not everyone is pro Trump so much as ANTI DNC (and Anti CLINTON).
Trump supporters are deplorable? If so than 2016 Democrat party supporters are disgusting.
Considering how most of the stories in the news has been about grabbing pussy and not about what was in those leaks. The only time the leaks are mentioned is when the Russians are blamed.
Proportional response allows an aggressor to select the level of violence.
If you respond "proportionally" to aggression, the aggressor knows what to expect, and will make a decision based on that.
Bully: If I kick you in the shins, you're going to stomp on my toes. OK, that's fine, because I think it's important to kick you in the shins.
Bully kicks you in the shins, you stomp on his toes. In the real world, people and places get destroyed by war.
Now, if you made it public that the response just might not be proportional, but it could very well be overwhelming, and you have the capability to do that overwhelming response, we get this:
Bully: If I kick you in the shins, you're going to rip off my head, go bowling with it, horse-fuck my dead skull, then shit down the bloody stump of my neck. Hmmm, I think I'll pass on kicking you in the shins.
And we have no violence.
All because you didn't let the aggressor pick the level of violence.
I dont believe a single word that comes out of the mouths of politicians.
Their default state is to lie, defuse, deflect and coerce their way to some imagined top while getting paid huge amounts of money for selling out in the process.
If it ever reaches the point of war with russia, il join them instead just because im sick and tired of America the world police shitting on EVERYTHING!
So lets shit can the major two parties and vote for Gary Johnson. Hillary stole the election from Bernie on top of being a liar and a criminal and enabling her husbands rape of women and the list goes on. Why anyone would vote for her is beyond me.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
But for the youth of today..
Looks like they are winding up to repeat McCarthyism
http://www.historyinanhour.com/2010/02/26/joseph-mccarthy-and-the-cold-war/
I guess the great terrorist threat is starting to run thin with the general public, time to buff off that good old standby.
After all, you have to keep the unwashes masses worried that SOME evil is looming over them, and only more government power and secrecy can protect them!
Its not like we have not seen it all before.
The crowd that votes for Crooked Liar Hillary! can't fucking spell "think", much less DO it.
But hey, they all pat themselves on the back over how much they CARE.
Did income disparity increase more under Clinton than it did under Reagan? Did it increase more under 6 years of Obama than it did under 8 years of Bush II? They'll ignore all that while telling themselves that "facts have a liberal bias".
Idiots. Too dumb to know they're dumb. Sheltered in the suburban lives, never had to work for anything.
Oh, and guns are SKEEERY!!!!
Hopeless.
That's what the fucking idiots in the whitehouse apparently are: hopeless shits who are too busy trying to figure out who has the biggest dick to even *think* about the long term consequences of this kind of action.
What the fuck are they even thinking they will accomplish by retaliating? It doesn't take two seconds to realize that all that will do is escalate the situation.... while obviously the whitehouse shouldn't just ignore it, the sensible thing to do is harden their defenses against such attacks so that no damage is incurred if another hack happens in the future.
Seriously.... this is how wars start. And considering the powers that are involved, this can't possibly end well.... for anybody.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
I refuse to watch any "NEWS" and am very selective about the Radio stations I listen to. From those, I take political comments as false and if I feel like investigating will attempt to prove otherwise. The media in the US today is at the same level of propaganda we made fun of with the Pravda in Russia back in the 80s (sorry folks, I'm a hardened old cynical bastard, much worse than your ordinary cynical bastard).
The latest hysteria about Trump for example: Trump said very clearly that he would ask his Attorney General to assign a Special Prosecutor to investigate the Clinton's. Sounds reasonable to most of us considering the amount of corruption that surrounds them (worded intentionally, so read what I wrote instead of what you want to see). Media report: Trump is going to randomly jail people. He's a dictator, he's a this, he's a that.
I have taken hundreds of hours to read transcripts and watching full speeches to validate context. I can find almost nothing the media says that is true. Nearly every allegation with the exception of McCain is over hyped bullspittle which requires a complete lack of context and cherry picking.
Meanwhile, potentially real crimes are being buried under the same hype and hysteria. Perhaps the FBI is investigating the DNC, the Media, and the Ultra wealthy responsible for some things. The Media won't report it even when there is a finding, like why is either Comey or Hillary not up on perjury charges? One of them flat out lied to the US Congress.
One thing the US desperately needs is a anti-trust case to break up the media monopolies so that we can get out of the damn echo chamber. We were warned by real journalists when they started allowing monopolization that this would occur, and dang if those people were not right.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Yes, the majority of people still believe that politicians are, by and large, trying to do the right thing and are generally trustworthy.
The majority is, of course, dead wrong about this. But this belief makes them feel good and doesn't demand that they get up and do anything, so they are sticking with it.
He can destroy their nuclear weapon program fast than Stuxnet.
There simply is no proof that the Russians are hacking the DNC; most of the "evidence" comes from Fireye - which is a known CIA outfit. And hey, we've even got a dead DNC staffer, killed under weird circumstances, screaming for investigation. But the DNC needs a distraction. It's very important that no one actually *read* anything that was released, just be outraged about "the source". So now the very same country that Hillary gave our uranium and shiny new reset button to...and that Obama protected from Romney during the 2012 debates...is now our enemy #1!!! Hillarious!
Now we're going to "respond"? So, red lines crossed, thousands killed, entire countries "annexed"....nothing. But - HOW DARE YOU LEAK THE DNC EMAILS!!! NOW we get a response. Threats to the country? Nah. Threats to their power? They go nuclear - and possibly literally.
Well, I guess we know where their priorities are...
Why do they think Putin went to Syria? To help brother in need? Here's the reason (at least one of the majors): to push Obama's buttons. Before Syria, US government was able to act in unilateral fashion, with total disregard to Russia's howls of displeasure. Now Putin has some resemblance of leverage, Cold War style: need a response? - just pick which rebel group Obama likes the most and bomb the shit out of them...
The OPM hacks were far more serious to the US, but hardly get a shrug.
I guess the message is to not mess with the political class.
in order to hide the fact that Hillary is just plain white trailer trash from Arkansas, we are going to take actions which could end with a war with Russia?
And they say Trump will start WW3.
Hey Obama, I though you told us last election the cold war was over.
Cyber Security is a DEFENSIVE science. You don't leave your house unlocked and threaten thieves with "proportional response", no, you get a door lock. Peace on Earth.
Billy Bush was just suspended at NBC for being in the same room as someone who said something offensive 11 years ago.
Meanwhile, the network heartily endorses the wife of a serial rapist and employs Alec Baldwin, famous for his profane tirades against photographers and his daughter, to make fun of Trump.
Even his imitation of a bad president is crappy⦠What a horrifically childish way to pretend you are strong with saber rattling⦠This 'man' disgusts me thoroughly
Proportional response for Russia / number of emails stolen by Russia * number of email scoped up by NSA = proportional response for USA
Exactly how was the primary stolen? 16.9 million voted for Hillary and 13.2 million voted for Bernie. Seeing the divide between the two camps I really doubt any of the shenanigans that happened behind the scenes had any noticeable affect on the split. The people spoke, or at least the Democrats did. Nothing was stolen and you insult the majority when you make that baseless claim.
Sorry, teleporters just kill you and then make a copy. A perfect, soul-less copy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
She also said she would authorize nuclear first strike against iran during a debate among democrats.... Obama did not. He got elected
Trump or Hillary will both die in office. They are too old and both seem a bit senile.
Vote for anonymous coward. I will do a better job
Assuming that Russia or Russians were actually involved, what is appropriate here? Gift basket? Flowers? How do I chip in for the card?
See that "Preview" button?
a while back for hacking Sony, which is a Japanese company first and foremost. As if the U.S. gov had any responsibility to answer with some attack on N. Korea, when a Japanese movie company is hacked by unknown perpetrators. Dumb and gullible Americans believe everything gov tells them, and now they're frothing at their mouths and gov can do anything stupid they want against Russia, and people will think it's justified.
Don't believe a word coming out of the U.S. gov's mouth on this.
...and/or launch a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process
Because subverting another country's electoral process is such a stellar idea, such an imaginative and mature and nuanced response.
What's up with those fucktard writers at the WSJ anyway? Are they angling for jobs at Fox?
'The Economy' is a giant Ponzi scheme whose most pitiable suckers are the youngest among us and the yet-unborn.
Pull the plug on this whole f*cking travesty: vote Trump.
They can't steal all our votes if enough people show up. Also poll-watch.
Better check up on ol' Gary, because he's now shilling for the DNC. They must've promised him some snippet of power and money if he started dancing for them.
This business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we'll be lucky to live through it.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
You seem pretty comfortable accepting the outcome of a competition that was factually meddled with. Is that your typical outlook or is it somehow different in this case?
So why did DWS resign in disgrace then? Surely must've been because nothing wrong was done.
You political fanbois are a frightening and disgusting example of the effectiveness of brainwashing on the weaker mind. You will never accept any evidence that points to your saviour being flawed, no matter how damning, yet will pounce on even the hint of a rumor that the opposition has maybe, at some point in time, possibly been accused of something by someone, and use that as FACT that they're "deplorable" and should be jailed.
I laughed when I read the 1st line, and then you went all Poe's Law on me.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know.
Ernest Hemingway
In response to the Russian DNC Hack, President Obama has issued an executive order granting Hillary Clinton victory in the upcoming presidential election.
No one is talking about the actual emails... Just Trump speaking like every guy does on the planet (And the folks who voted for Bill Clinton going holier than thou about it) and about Russian hacking...
What about the actual content?
DOJ Clinton Campaign Discussions while she's being investigated.
State Department Coordination of Email Releases
Shared Questions between DNC Chief and CNN for a Town Hall Debate.
Illegal Foundation Coordination with Chelsea as the go between
New York Times and Boston Globe giving Hillary Campaign editing rights over their articles about her.
Various debate (cnbc, Univision) moderators sharing advise...
And that was just some of what came out today... 1000 of the 5000 already released emails...
And not a damn thing about it on CNN, Bing News, Google News, etc...
Too many amateur mistakes for DNC + Podesta email leaks to be Fancy Bear or Cozy Bear. Looks more like false flag. Where's the evidence?
Wow! Do we have to debunk this meme once again?
Lack of intent may be why she should get a reduced sentence. It does not absolve her of the crime. An NSA contractor was just arrested merely for taking some materials home — that in itself is highly illegal and qualifies him for jail time. If the investigation also proves he wanted to leak/sell the information, the charges will be upgraded.
She really does belong to jail over this — the Democrats have disgraced the US this year by nominating a bona-fide criminal.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
Lock their kids' accounts on Steam. That'll teach them.
Windows 2000 - from the guys who brought us edlin
Good chance some 3rd party is trying to push the US and Russia into conflict.
...that Russia had anything to do with? The Democrats are seriously trying to send us to war with Russia. The Republicans are no better but man am I glad they've revealed to me how much they suck this year so I can be sure to never vote Democrat (or Republican) again.
If you waited this long to notice, you're hopeless. Snowden only confirmed what was obvious anyway. And the Republicans are not any cleaner at all, in ways they are worse.
The questions is "What are you going to do about it?". My personal evaluation is that any workable approach is going to cause so much hardship that nobody with an ounce of empathy or foresight would recommend it.
OTOH, the Singularity *IS* coming, and by my estimate before 2035. (I actually estimate 2030, but there's no real reason for that date, it just the one I guessed most probably a couple of decades ago.) That's going to change everything so drastically that nobody can accurately predict even approximately what the results will, be, so the best action is to just try and hold on through the chaos that precedes it. It's a part of the reason that the Trump candidacy has so much support, and also part of the driving force behind Bernie. People can sense that things are changing too rapidly to keep track of, and want to feel safe. For some that means a gang lead by a blustering bully, for others it means someone strong to take care of them.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
They illegitimately stole funding and put it into Hillary's accounts, and used that demolish Bernie in ads.
If you don't understand how that played out, you seriously need to stop drinking the kool-aid.
Maybe he just got Trump mad at him. I hear that's easy to do, even unintentionally.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Our systems are so bloated and infected with government instituted malware it's not even funny. All modern desktop and laptop systems ship with backdoors out of the box. The smartest thing to do would be to fix this glaring security hole, reduce the bloat to what can reasonably and actually be audited properly, and design stable chipsets and standards that can be used over longer stretches of time. This would provide the time needed to properly secure all the software needed. Right now we have lots of really really shitty code that is exploitable from CPUs to wifi firmwares to routers. The government doesn't even need a backdoor the situation is so bad, even if they have them.
Look up EOMA68 as it's a non-governmental starting point for such a system. It's mainly going to lower costs to designing hardware that is fully open and can be properly audited/secured. It's a standard of general purpose buses for creating 'computer cards' with long term support in mind and provide upgrade paths. So for example a laptop designed around EOMA68 would accept an ejectable computer (CPU / Ram / etc on a card). When a newer higher end computer card comes out based around the same EOMA68 standard it's just a matter of ejecting the old slower card and inserting the newer faster card. You don't have to replace the whole laptop. Check out the sponsor of the standard's web site at http://www.thinkpenguin.com and the crowd supply page for successfully funded manufacture of the first 500 or so cards and housings: http://crowdsupply.com/eoma68
Exactly how was the primary stolen? 16.9 million voted for Hillary and 13.2 million voted for Bernie.
Agreed. The proportional representation on the Democratic side just made Bernie's lead look better. He was in no danger of winning regardless. In fact, had the republicans had the same process they might have had a better shot at avoiding trump. The winner take all helped trump quite a bit.
[1] Clinton pal and advisor John Podesta was exposed in the Panama Papers (remember those?) as a registered lobbyist for Putin's bankers.
[2] If the Russians HAD this stuff and wanted maximum value, they would not waste it in a campaign where ALL the American media claim Hillary is a shoo-in victor. They would use it on her when she is in office for blackmail - particularly in the 2018 mid-terms where the damage would be maximized.
[3] There are plenty of Democrats who supported Bernie who are on the inside at the DNC and are probably outraged at the evil collusion between these Democrat leaders and the Clinton crime family which have been exposed to have rigged this whole election against Bernie and his supporters. This stuff could all be being leaked from within the DNC.
[4] The Obama and Clinton people have all the media parroting the Putin claims without a single thread of credible evidence, while hoping nobody remembers that Hillary has for years claimed to have pressed the "reset button" and restored relations with Russia, which were claimed to be terrible under Bush (even though Bush had persuaded Putin to do the previously unthinkable: let the US use bases in Khazakstan. Clinton and Obama are tag-teaming as the new Joe McCarthy, seeing Russians everywhere and trying to stir-up anti-Russian paranoia for domestic political gain - they're even ranting about nuclear war and claiming TRUMP is the one who might start one even though they keep claiming he is somehow tied to Putin.
"or launch a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process."
Um, yeah, that doesn't sound like a good idea to me. But hey, I was against torture and secret cia prisons and gitmo, what do I know.
I had to laugh, actually out loud.... when reading "a U.S. cyberattack targeting Russia's election process" Russia's election process is even more predetermined that the US. In the US it's not "obvious" voter fraud, just a bunch of "Community Organizers" (occasionally from Chicago or maybe Kenya) who get a lot of votes from people who may or may not be dead. Bussed around by people who may be handing out food or money for expenses to "help: them vote. From my understanding in Russia many elections are 100% of votes cast go the same candidates that are government approved. In the US, many elections are determined way ahead of time by the people with all the money and power. I wouldn't be really surprised if the Demi-crooks and Republi-creeps didn't have it all set out before the election is held. I will still vote for a 3rd party candidate and so will most of the people I know. Especially in this election where both of the major party candidates are total crap. We have the choice between a Douche and a Turd Sandwich (Yes, a South Park reference)...
What a convenient excuse. Actually it was the IT guy Hillary had shit in the back 4 times. Look it up.
What a convenient excuse. Actually it was the IT guy Hillary had shot in the back 4 times. Look it up..
A lot of people are taking what that politician Trump says at face value. At least with regards to his pussy grabbing.
But on a more serious note, a proportional response to Russian hacking would be to send the Ruskies Nigerian spam.
Warmongering. Thanks Bush...
AC gets the win...
When the king heard the words of the Book of the Law he tore his robes.2Kings22:11
Her long history with Wal-Mart and being the wife of former Arkansas governor Bill Clinton, and the namecalling you brought up notwithstanding, are virtually sideshows compared to war with Russia. This war will probably take the form of her promised "no-fly zone" and "safe zone" in Syria which even she (privately, to her bankster funders) admits will "kill a lot of Syrians" and require ground troops. What is a no-fly zone? Dr. Jill Stein, also running for US president, has clarified what that means:
Hillary Clinton's hawkishness is bound to cost the US trillions. Continuing Obama's wars (which are all of G.W. Bush's wars plus more wars via drones in a couple countries Bush didn't attack) would do that without adding new wars. But Clinton's belligerency is why the Intercept notes "Robert Kagan and Other Neocons Are Backing Hillary Clinton". A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for more war, more extrajudicial assassination, and that includes killing women and children whom Clinton is so keen to convince us she cares about. This merely builds on the wars she's voted for or otherwise supported (Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, etc.). She may be more gentle-toned than Trump but she's the more lethal choice than Trump too. Donald Trump's wide ignorance and many bigotries, as ugly and reprehensible as they are, are being pitched loudly to distract one from considering Sec. Clinton's lethal record of injustice. Fortunately, as I'm sure the Democrats will be happy to attest to should Clinton lose again, there's more than 2 choices for US president.
Digital Citizen
Anyone else see the title and think of this scene? https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
In other news, Microsoft Windows users are now covered under the Americans with Disabilties Act...
How much would a risk assessment test cost a network security firm for a major political party? Sounds like the DNC went for the pay you later option, instead of the pay you now.
Consider:
Obama's IRS targeted his political opponents - by admission (under oath) by the IRS's own inspector general in testimony before congress. The responsible parties were either hidden or "punished" by being given better jobs with more pay plus paid time off.
Obama's State Department has been fighting in the courts for two years to help Hillary hide her documents.
Obama's DOJ seems to have been caught in league with the Clinton team they were supposedly investigating. They APPEARED to be giving immunity to witnesses as part of a case, but never empaneled a grand jury to hear that immunized testimony and actually helped team Hillary destroy evidence that was (and still is) under subpoena by congress (google: DOJ + laptop + "cheryl mills").
We now know from that leaks that Hillary buddy (and now DNC chair) Donna Brazile was working at CNN during the primaries and in that role was getting debate and forum questions in advance and forwarded at least one question to team Hillary to help her beat Bernie. She has now been rewarded with the chairmanship of the DNC.
Oh, as a cherry on top of this sundae, The Democrats in California have re-wired the elections so that the senate race this fall will be between two Democrats (no Republican is allowed on the ballot). The one favored to win is Camilla Harris who is famous for, among other things, supporting the criminal prosecution of anybody who disagrees about global warming.
This is how fascism arises in a Democracy
Big media and big tech companies all aligning with a big central government that has aligned with a political party and is implementing speech codes and using government force to intimidate those who dissent. As usual, it's the progressive left encouraging it all (google: National Socialist Workers Party). Sic transit freedom and liberty.
Stay focused on the Russians.
Pay no attention to the actual content of the emails.
Pay no attention to the Clinton Foundation.
Pay no attention to the media running their stories past the campaign before their editors.
Pay no attention to the...
If the DNC apportions bureaucratic appointments within the government on the basis of support for Hillary's campaign, then they are government, by definition (however lawless the practice may be). So, when President Obama vows treats them as a government agency by granting them the same protections (vowing some form of reprisal while also treating the DNC as above the law), he is merely demonstrating consistency.
White House can vow, scratch and bite as much as they please. They have no APT group, that shows same level of competence. North Korea have better leet haxxors then Feds.
May i suggest they drop some Congresscritters at Russian datacenters from a 1960es era transport plane? Ahaha.
I mean, otherwise... In post soviet Russia, Putin hacks YOU!
Does that not defeat the whole purpose of a punishment? They are not talking about preventive measures.... Punishment is supposed to deter future behavior by making it obvious that it brings about consequences. Is this something that needs to be explained to the father of two children (who is sometimes known as POTUS)?
Any guest worker system is indistinguishable from indentured servitude.
So, did the White House draw a line in the sand with this?
I seriously regret voting for "hope and change" who decided we need to lie about Russia being involved to ignore how corrupt the DNC is.
The DNC was hacked, and damaging info about Hillary was released. What's proportional? The CIA/NSA releasing some of the dirt they've collected on him over the years. If Putin wants to make our system look bad by releasing dirt on one of the players, we can do the same.
So it's not a secret nor hidden war anymore. Which is sad since there are already enough wars going on, don't you think?
Having said that, I wonder which democratic Russian institutions will be targeted? Are there any?
"Consensus" in science is _always_ a political construct.
Go read first person accounts of what happened at the Nevada Dem convention.
your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
Hillary stole the election from Bernie
As much as I am disgusted that a Clinton would appear in public again after everything each of them has already done, that's not what happened.
What happened is that Hillary needed an illusion of choice, so the DNC found a congressional nobody with uncommon positions who was willing to take a fall in exchange for promises of increased influence in congress and a fairly massive cash bribe. Sanders almost made the mistake of actually trying to win the primary a few times. In the end, Clinton had won enough elected delegates that some of the DNC assigned super-delegates could vote for Sanders and still get the intended outcome.
Sanders was a willing accomplice. Nothing was stolen from him, it was all bought.
... that the executive branch/media mashup is throwing a public hissy-fit over alleged election tampering by Russia after our feckless leader quietly sent assets over to undermine elections in Israel. Kabuki government at it's best.
Why is it that they can't keep their mouths shut??? Russia has internet too.... chances are that they are already setting up their honeypot network.
Your history has numerous of little snipes at Trump each lacking substance or references. Out of the first 5 pages of history I see 2 downmods and 1 upmod for "see subject:" as your only comment. I am not going to go find what that post was about because my goal was not to indict you as pro-Hillary shill but check the validity of the claim that anti-Trump posts are being flagrantly down modded. Which in your case is an absolute false allegation.
I believe that you may be attempting to confuse people tired of shills and shill accounts down modding posts when they can. Trump does not to any knowledge have paid shills down modding posts on Slashdot. There are allegations and connections of the same to Hillary's campaign. Considering the links between the US DOJ, Department of State, etc.. I would be curious to check the moderation by IPs owned by the US Government in favor of a particular candidate.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
This is nothing more than a smoke screen to draw attention away from horrible Hillary and the despicable person, and also her associates, they really are. Obama going after the hack is like going after the press for covering John Gacy.
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> It's *criminal* negligence that is indictable. To make it criminal and then make it stick in court, you must show *intent* to be so negligent as to break the law.
That's literally a contradiction in terms that fails on anyone who knows the meaning of the words:
"Negligence (Lat. negligentia, from neglegere, to neglect, literally "not to pick up something") is a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances.[1] The area of tort law known as negligence involves harm caused by carelessness, not intentional harm."
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Firstly are we sure the hack was carried out by a member of the Russian government or just some guy that happens to live in Russia. Secondly, I agree that hacks on a private organization do not warrant action from our government to retaliate or anything of that sort it should be the organizations fault for not having a secure system. I.e. I cannot go out and retaliate against someone who has hacked my computer, unless they proceed to participate in criminal activities once access has been achieved, it is my fault for not having it secured enough for them to not get in. Since they are computer systems and they are connected to the internet there is no reason to believe I am safe from cyber attacks. The only way for it to be Definitively secure is to not have the systems on the internet.
It's amazing how quickly they figure out it was rurssia.. how come they couldn't use these same skills to. Protect such systems in he first place ?
It's like how they supposed were monitoring ubl and then he did 911... when it really counts he intelligence agencies achieve nothing.
Simple. Outside of the media claiming he is racist there are 0, recordings or writings of Trump demonstrating racism. Out of the media and democrats claiming he is against Muslims, there are 0 recordings of him being against Muslims. That trend continues, so as I said above if you believe he actually is racist prove it! Not what someone claims he said, but what he said IN CONTEXT WITHOUT CHERRY PICKING.
If you want cherry picking, you just said exactly what I did. "Trump is unfairly treated." and nothing more. Isn't that nice how we can just cherry pick a fragment and change your whole message?
As to the Criminal DNC candidate: In context and without cherry picking there are literally hundreds of thousands of admissible evidence that Hillary is a liar, abused her power illegally, has sold out the USA (influence and assets) to terrorist states, accepts money from terrorist states, is abusive to women, knew damn well that her personal server was illegal, despises those less fortunate than her (which is most of us since she can abuse power for personal gain), caused severe permanent damage to a woman who was raped at 12 years old, has committed perjury more than once, and the list could go on and on.
It's not a question any more, read the dumps from Wikileaks. IMHO the whole State Department needs to be placed under subpoena and investigated for collusion, numerous members of the Department of Justice need the same, and Hillary and Bill should be held without bail until a formal investigation of all assets, communications, and financial records are reviewed for illegal activity.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Check the AC posts on your comment. It is always pleasantly surprising when they are informative.
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
That is not how it works, because if that were true I can make you say anything I wish. That claim is pure and simple idiocy. If you wish to argue, as I do, that cherry picking to create statements never said is wrong we would agree. It should be, and historically has been, treated with disdain when someone fabricates a narrative to slander someone.
If you wish to argue that certain politicians do so, then treat them with disdain. Simple.
There is a big difference between fact and fantasy. My contention is that one candidate is guilty by facts and those facts were mentioned and easily verifiable. The other faces fabricated claims so often that even if you showed someone a real claim we would not believe it. No facts have been provided to back the assertions being made.
Facts are not up for debate, how one uses facts can be up for debate.
Whether or not someone has been jailed and/or convicted of a crime the facts remain. Facts are the evidence of wrong doing, not feelings.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.