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Teenager Accidentally Launches DDoS Attack On 911 Systems (softpedia.com)

A Phoenix teenager mistakenly tweeted a link to JavaScript exploit which forced iOS devices to automatically dial and re-dial 911. An anonymous reader quotes Softpedia: The teenager created several weaponized versions of this bug which would constantly dial a phone number, or show annoying popups. The teenager says he wanted to prank his friends, thinking it would be "funny," but when he shared the weaponized link online, he shared a version that instead of showing annoying popups, redialed a phone number, which in this case was 911.
In September researchers calculated just 6,000 smartphones can take down an entire state's 911 system, while more than 1,849 people clicked on this link, according to the article. Sheriff Joe Arpaio's office searched the teenager's home -- "several items were seized" -- and they've charged him with three felony counts for computer tampering.

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  1. Accidentally? by danhuby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Accidentally? Seems really unlikely. I'd like to see the code to see how that was possible.

    1. Re:Accidentally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The difference between "accidental" and "just for fun" is that the perpetrator didn't think he'd be punished for his prank. Calling 911 in this manner is generally considered a crime.

    2. Re:Accidentally? by aix+tom · · Score: 1

      Because "Smartphones"

    3. Re:Accidentally? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The "accident" was that he sent out malware links to a 911 dialer instead of an annoying popup generator to his friends, both of which he had created. Given that it would be blindingly obvious that he was the perpetrator, as he made no effort to conceal his identity, it seems improbable to me that he'd have sent out the 911 dialer deliberately. Besides which, one would assume you generally wouldn't want to cause trouble for your friends by forcing their phones to repeatedly call 911, unless you're a really terrible friend. I don't think anyone would dispute the weaponized code was created deliberately, of course.

      So, a rather stupid mistake, yes, but I doubt this was done maliciously.

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    4. Re:Accidentally? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Accidentally? Seems really unlikely.

      Similar things have happened before.

    5. Re:Accidentally? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      The question is: Even though the weaponized code was created deliberately, is it any different than mixing a few chemicals in your backyard just to SEE them blow up, with no intent of ever bombing the local police station? Is it that hard to believe that he wrote the code to say "Hey, I could do that" and then just stashed it somewhere?

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    6. Re:Accidentally? by Registered+Coward+v2 · · Score: 2

      The question is: Even though the weaponized code was created deliberately, is it any different than mixing a few chemicals in your backyard just to SEE them blow up, with no intent of ever bombing the local police station? Is it that hard to believe that he wrote the code to say "Hey, I could do that" and then just stashed it somewhere?

      I would say it's a question of mens rea or was he criminally negligent. I think yu could argue he had no criminal attempt those possibly his "prank friends" comments could be taken as intent. I would argue he was negligent as he should have known the code would be used if he released it and failed to verify the code he did release was not the 911 version.

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    7. Re:Accidentally? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      It's absolutely different. He was purportedly planning to turn this in to Apple for a bug bounty, and in order to claim a bounty, a viable proof-of-concept is actually required by Apple. Except in this case, the young man was foolishly careless with the software weapon he created. I'm certainly not advocating that he not be appropriately punished for a very dangerous mistake he made, but neither do I think it's fair to automatically assign ill motives to him.

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    8. Re:Accidentally? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I am willing to believe "accidentally". It may just have taken one typo. The kid is a moron nonetheless, as life exploit code needs to be treated with care, just like a sharp object or a weapon.

      Well, the US "legal" system will probably not let him forget this, ever, but the real failure is with the parents for not insisting on some measure of common sense in their kid before allowing him a cellphone.

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    9. Re:Accidentally? by gweihir · · Score: 1

      I agree, but there were at least two stupid mistakes:

      1. Sending out the wrong link (simple stupid)
      2. Making it easy to send out the wrong link (pretty much an epic fail)

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    10. Re:Accidentally? by chuckugly · · Score: 1

      3. Creating something that dials 911 instead of the number of a friend or yourself

    11. Re:Accidentally? by ChoGGi · · Score: 1

      He may have "accidentally" sent out the wrong exploit, but he deliberately choose 911 as the number (instead of say 311).

      I wouldn't say jail time, but the little shit should be doing some volunteer work at the dispatch office.

    12. Re:Accidentally? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      What are you talking about?

      He wanted to dial 912 in his code, but his finger slipped and he typed 911 instead.

      That was just an innocent mistake.

    13. Re:Accidentally? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Best bet? Like everything else, the program he used to write tiny pranking programs saves everything to My Documents.

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    14. Re:Accidentally? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What's supposed to happen (on iOS anyway) is that an attempt to do this triggers a popup asking you to confirm that you wish to dial the number - specifically because of past problems like this.

      So while I doubt his story with regards to "accidentally" doing this - he did deliberately sent out an exploit to 1400 of his dearest friends, just not the one he may have intended to send - he certainly did discover a significant bug.

      On a side note... instead of jumping right to pressing felony charges against the guy - whatever happened to making stupid kids perform lots of community service time as payback for doing stupid things? Two or three hundred hours of working hard would still accomplish "deterrence", and also accomplish some good for the kid's community, without likely screwing up the rest of his life.

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    15. Re:Accidentally? by murdocj · · Score: 1

      I suppose to make your comparison completely accurate to what's going on, said person would have had to mix a few chemicals together just to SEE them blow up, but after finding something that would definitely blow up, he bottled a few samples of it. Then carried it out in public to show his friends, only to accidentally let it fly from his hands as he was waving it around and it found itself at the base of a police station where it blew up.

      Here's the detail nobody seemed to ask. Why did he create a version of his little script that targeted 911 in the first place? If he was never going to do anything more nefarious than try to hit his "friends" with a pop up generator, why'd he need to have the other versions created and saved - apparently in the same folders if he "accidentally" picked the wrong one.

      Most kids manage to live their lives just fine without managing to DDoS important services. Those kids have enough god damned common sense not to even START in on this shit.

      Yep... the whole "gee I never intended to do this" thing seems pretty unlikely.

    16. Re:Accidentally? by BitterOak · · Score: 1

      Accidentally? Seems really unlikely. I'd like to see the code to see how that was possible.

      To me it seems unlikely that he would have sent out such a link from a Twitter account which could so easily be traced to him if he were doing this on purpose.

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    17. Re:Accidentally? by demonlapin · · Score: 2

      He did this in Phoenix. Maricopa County, Arizona. Sheriff Joe Arpaio. That's why.

      Sheriff Joe isn't a nice guy, and he doesn't much worry about civil liberties. OTOH, he sure does keep the crime rate down, which is why he keeps getting reelected.

    18. Re:Accidentally? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Ooh... I didn't remember that imbecile's name, but I am well aware of the rampant stupidity of the powers-that-be in Maricopa County.

      I did a quick Google search, and came across something interesting. While Maricopa's overall crime rate is lower than average (for comparably-sized municipalities), its violent crime rate is actually higher than average. So it sounds like this Sheriff isn't very effective when it comes to the criminals you'd actually want him to be catching. But if you want your sheriff to be keeping the kids in line, he's your man!

      "From our analysis, we discovered that violent crime in Maricopa occurs at a rate higher than in most communities of all population sizes in America. The chance that a person will become a victim of a violent crime in Maricopa; such as armed robbery, aggravated assault, rape or murder; is 1 in 443. This equates to a rate of 2 per one thousand inhabitants.

      Moreover, the rate of property crime in Maricopa; burglary, larceny ($50 or more), grand theft auto, and arson; is 16 per 1,000 residents. This is about average for all cities and towns in America of all population sizes."

      But it's Arizona, so the voters are mostly old and probably don't actually look up stuff. I'm guessing he trots out press releases (with his photo as the watermark!) on a regular basis, and it makes the retirees feel safe.

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    19. Re:Accidentally? by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      um no you clearly didn't read the article where he fully admitted he purposely make the exploit to dial 911. it was no mistake

      Meet stated he did manipulate the bug to include the phone number for emergency services 1+911. Meet stated that although he did add that feature to the bug he had no intention of pushing it out to the public, because he knew it was illegal and people would “freak out”. Meet stated that he may have accidentally pushed the harmful version of the (911) bug out to the Twitter link instead of the lesser annoying bug that only caused pop ups, dialing to make peoples devices freeze up and reboot. Meet later claimed that he developed these malicious bugs and viruses to be recognized in the hacker and programming community as someone who was very skilled

      I'm not buying the mistake of releasing the wrong code either because he didn't fix the problem nor did he come forward hey came after HIM.

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    20. Re:Accidentally? by GrumpySteen · · Score: 1

      instead of jumping right to pressing felony charges against the guy - whatever happened to making stupid kids perform lots of community service time as payback for doing stupid things?

      I think your memory may be impaired. Allowing kids to be arbitrarily sentenced by authorities without giving them the benefit of a trial would be quite unconstitutional and would almost certainly wind up being abused. It's never been a thing that we did in the past and it's not something that should be done now.

    21. Re:Accidentally? by demonlapin · · Score: 2

      That article you linked says it's at about the 30th percentile for Arizona: "Maricopa's crime rate is lower than approximately 69% of Arizona communities."

      When you live in a really safe area, and it's not your civil rights that get trampled on to make it so...

    22. Re:Accidentally? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      We now live in a world where people who are still far too young and immature to fully understand the consequences of their actions can take actions that cause tremendous harm.

      Our legal system is not well-equipped to handle this. So we are going to see a lot of weird on all sides.

      Of course, the real reason such people can cause so much harm is because of:

      1) the overwhelming majority of people (adults included) being stupid enough to click random links (seriously, this is a stupidity epidemic).
      2) the economic leaders who are driving technical decisions that power our digital infrastructure continue to opt for cost-cutting measures over safety features.

      So, the kid isn't at fault for these two problems, but he did exploit them to cause a lot of harm, so now he is about to learn a very hard lesson about consequences.

    23. Re:Accidentally? by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      Or do I need to get into drug dealing.

      No - out of it.

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    24. Re:Accidentally? by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 1

      4. Publicly disclosing the vulnerability instead of responsibly disclosing it, thereby invalidating any chance of getting a bug bounty from Apple.

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    25. Re:Accidentally? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 2

      Right - as it says, the overall crime rate is lower but the violent crime rate is not. So the sheriff is basically only effective at weeding out minor offenders.

      Since the violent crime rate is not lower, I don't think you can refer to that as a "really safe" area. Unless people are inordinately scared of litterers.

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    26. Re:Accidentally? by udachny · · Score: 1

      At least he didn't accidentally start a Global Thermonuclear War.

    27. Re:Accidentally? by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      the hours working for the community are unpaid

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    28. Re:Accidentally? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't seem very smart to me.

    29. Re:Accidentally? by freeze128 · · Score: 1

      Never automate 911 calls. Not even as a proof of concept. Not even as a placeholder for a different number. If you want a placeholder, use 411. If you DDOS the 911 emergency line, you could be responsible for deaths. If you DDOS the 411 line, then people will have to lift a phone book. Which is worse?

    30. Re:Accidentally? by gordguide · · Score: 1

      We now live in a world where people who are still far too young and immature to fully understand the consequences of their actions can take actions that cause tremendous harm.

      Our legal system is not well-equipped to handle this. So we are going to see a lot of weird on all sides.

      Of course, the real reason such people can cause so much harm is because of:

      1) the overwhelming majority of people (adults included) being stupid enough to click random links (seriously, this is a stupidity epidemic).
      2) the economic leaders who are driving technical decisions that power our digital infrastructure continue to opt for cost-cutting measures over safety features.</p><p>So, the kid isn't at fault for these two problems, but he did exploit them to cause a lot of harm, so now he is about to learn a very hard lesson about consequences.</p></quote>

      If you read the article, 12,000 people were sent the link, and about 10% clicked on it. Far from "the overwhelming majority".

    31. Re:Accidentally? by DarkOx · · Score: 2

      No that isn't why. He committed behavior that was defined by law to be felonious is why, if it was a misdemeanor he probably would be looking at community service and or a fine.

      Also Sheriff Joe is not in a position to make the decision anyway the most he can is recommend to the prosecutor the kid be charged with this or that, the ultimate decision is not his. Its the local prosecutor who does that. The most Sheriff Joe can do is make him miserable while he is waiting to be formally charged and while he awaits trial. If the court decides he should serve any part of his sentence in county lockup rather than a prison or juvenile facility, than Sheriff Joe can make him miserable for the duration.

      Seriously if you are going to complain about the abuses Arpaio might be committing at least get your facts strait. Arpaio might indeed be over stepping with his apparently harsh treatment of people who in many cases have not even been convicted yet. When you get the basic facts wrong like this though the rest of us are forced to assume you have been brain washed with "conservatives == bad".

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    32. Re:Accidentally? by silas_moeckel · · Score: 1

      Please it was a standard in small towns, teenager got caught drinking smoking pot etc etc, parents got called and the kid volunteered for some charity and all was good. Now we have zero tolerance and screw them over for life.

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    33. Re:Accidentally? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Three hundred hours a year at minimum wage would be nice.

      I'm not from Arizona, but I seriously doubt that a "community service" punishment means you get paid for your time.

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    34. Re:Accidentally? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "He committed behavior that was defined by law to be felonious is why"

      Mostly he committed behavior that would be indistinguishable from enforcing federal labor and immigration law. And the Feds don;t like states, counties, or cities enforcing their laws when they don't want to.

      Pink jumpsuits, bologna sandwiches, and tents are not cruel and unusual. Visiting businesses accused by citizens of violating labor law isn't either. La Raza is not the watchdog group you think it is.

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    35. Re:Accidentally? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      He could have used 511. That would be annoying but not endangering.

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    36. Re: Accidentally? by rhyous · · Score: 1

      First, checking credentials in a border state should be standard practice for all border states, especially when illegal immigration has proven a problem, which for the southern border, it is, whereas for the northern border, Canada, not so much.

      Second, the bordering country is Hispanic. So targeting Hispanics is not racist, it is properly targeting the demographic of the bordering country. Arizona doesn't border the Netherlands, it border Hispanic Mexico.

      Third, I thinks "racist" and "statistically likely" are being confused. If you are in Arizona, look Hispanic, then the there is a 1 in 7 chance that you are illegal. The 1 in 7 comes from the fact that there is an estimated 2.1 million Hispanics and of those, and estimated 300k are illegal immigrants. Most legal immigrants can speak some English, so if the immigrant can only speak Spanish, the likelihood an individual is illegal is almost double, or 1 in 3 or 1 in 4. So a street check would be effective in finding an illegal alien 12 to 33% of the time. This makes that option viable.
      Note: Search the internet for Arizona population stats are there are various different ones but these stats demonstrate the point.

      However, the number of illegal aliens who are white Caucasian is so small it isn't even estimated. So checking whether a Caucasian is illegal or not would be effective as the ratio is maybe 1 in 10,000 or even 1 in 50,000.

      So if you have a method that is effective 1 in 8 times in a border state, use it.

      The problem is that people don't think logically. They just listen to the biased media that is more interested in click-bait than actual facts. Do you see how statistics and common sense completely blow the "racist" fallacy out of the water?

    37. Re:Accidentally? by Cramer · · Score: 1

      Because you don't fuck with 911. He chose what number to "prank"; now the courts get to choose which orifice to rape.

  2. Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morris by davidwr · · Score: 5, Informative

    After all, if it weren't for that bug bounty enticing him....

    Seriously, this guy needs a firm slap on the wrist and a year or two of probation, not prison time.

    When it comes to carelessness, this ranks up there with the Robert T. Morris Sendmail worm of 1988. Heck, I'd hold Morris to a higher standard than this guy since he (Morris) was a graduate student at the time and presumably knew what he was doing more than Desai.

    By the way, Morris was elected Fellow of the ACM in 2014.

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  3. He must go to jail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    911 is consider critical infraestructure for defense and security. attacking this number is a cibercrime according to US law. He must be put in JAIL

  4. The real crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Is that such an incredibly stupid bug is even possible.
    Thanks Apple.

  5. there is no almost by Luthair · · Score: 3, Insightful

    How do you almost crash the system or almost take it offline. Sounds like bullshit.

    1. Re:there is no almost by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2, Funny

      How do you almost crash the system or almost take it offline. Sounds like bullshit.

      How does your girlfriend almost get pregnant? Condom breaks while you're taking it off. A few more operational minutes in the field (as it were) could have taken her system online. But you dodged a bullet 'cause your run-time never lasts "a few more minutes". :-)

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  6. Punishing the wrong person. by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What this teenager did was bring attention to a bug that never should have existed to start with. If they want to blame anyone, they should be blaming Apple for allowing it even be possible. But hey, they didn't hire cops for their intelligence. -_-

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    1. Re: Punishing the wrong person. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You do if you're a sociopathic cunt.

  7. Is this a record? by Archtech · · Score: 3, Insightful

    A huge safety-critical network that can be crashed ***by accident***! What a magnificent design achievement! Just imagine what could be done by someone competent who was actually trying to crash it...

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    1. Re:Is this a record? by F.Ultra · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A lot of our infrastructure relies on people being honest, and it actually works most of the time. Call the police, fire department or ambulance enough times and you will DDoS all of them since there are a limited number of such units to send.

    2. Re:Is this a record? by xlsior · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not so much that it 'crashes' 9-11, it simply ties up all the available operators so there won't be anyone available to answer the *real* emergency call coming in at the same time -- there's only so many dispatchers available to answer calls, after all. Too many calls is too many calls, regardless of how competent the initiator is.

      Other than prioritizing certain calls (e.g. the ones that haven't been calling you a thousand times already today) there's not a whole lot you can do to mitigate this while remaining available to everyone.

      (There often already are other call routing prioritizations in place, e.g. if there is an incoming landline and cellphone call at the same time and only one dispatcher available, they'd typically answer the landline first -- A single car accident on a busy freeway can generate dozens of incoming cellphone calls reporting the same accident, while a landline call is more likely to be a new incident that needs action.)

    3. Re:Is this a record? by XparXnoiaX · · Score: 1

      Yeah whatever dude, like you've ever built something that can't be DDOSed. Some security flaws are sloppy but this is hard stuff.

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  8. Lessons learned. by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 2

    Friends don't let friends enable JavaScript.

    (Man, if only is was that easy. Seems a LOT of sites use and/or require JS when they really don't need to -- and I'm looking at you too /.)

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    1. Re: Lessons learned. by dfeifer · · Score: 1

      But if you dont enable java script their advertisements don't work right..

  9. It's not hard at all by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    to get a phone to dial a number. There's lots of APIs for it once you've got access and there's tonnes of 'sploit kits to get you that access. This is the very definition of a 'script kiddie'. Give 'em a slap on the wrist and so long as he doesn't do it again move on. Short of torturing him to death you're not gonna get enough notice out of this to make an 'example' out of it but you might ruin some dumb kid's life. Then again this is Joe Arpaio...

    On a completely unrelated note our 911 system is so fragile that a script kiddie can bring it down. Thanks constant tax & spending cuts and rampant program defunding!

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  10. Re:Send him to gitmo by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    He's probably a Linux hacker. This domestic terrorism must be dealt with in the harshest way possible.

    Make him use a Linux desktop?

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  11. Smartphones created 911 problems anyway. by aix+tom · · Score: 1

    When something happens in a crowded area, and hundreds of people whip out their smartphones to dial 911, the system gets regularly DDoSed anyway.

    I wonder if anybody is thinking about some protection on the cell level. Like, when there are already ten 911 call originating from one cell, additional ones need some confirmation form the caller that they really want to make an additional one.

  12. Re:You Fail It? by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    Pssssst---You're replying to a troll-bot that's been gracing these pages for a decade or more.

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  13. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by Calydor · · Score: 1

    So pranks should now be punished by having, quote, your ass fried? Overkill mcuh?

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  14. Is it worth it? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I always felt that one question that should be asked is it is worth jailing this person for three felonies worth? With prison costs of $60K a year I don't think it's worth this much taxpayer money unless someone actually got hurt. Make him agree not to do it again, give him probation and community service, and threaten to not be so nice next time should someone else duplicate this.

    1. Re:Is it worth it? by Vitriol+Angst · · Score: 1

      The calculation on this punishment is; Does it embarrass the police or authority? Does it do so publicly? This equals harsh penalties.

      It seems like using a computer to do a slight bit of damage, is treated with harsher penalties than someone holding up a liquor store. Of course harsher than ripping off thousands and ruining lives when running a bank -- but well, that's a different story.

      Some kid was doing a prank, and it got out of hand. The fact that it accidentally caused more damage because of the shortcomings of a system should have ZERO to do with punishment.The intent of the perpetrator should be the main effect on punishment.

      We have a punish happy system, and of course a douche nozzle like Joe -- that poor kid has the worst luck.

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  15. Apple released a patch by ChadSmith4920 · · Score: 2

    Users are now required to dial 0118 999 881 99 9119 7253

  16. Re: Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Mor by Joe_Dragon · · Score: 2

    before 9/11 you where able to get away with that. Now days he will lucky get in to the juvenile system.

  17. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by gweihir · · Score: 1

    Spoken like a true cave-man.

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  18. Re:bill him the cost of a new switching system. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Yeah let's go right back to ruining some kids life again.

  19. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    The amazing thing about making examples out of carelessness is that it doesn't work. If he actually didn't intend to bring down 911 then making an example of him would be zero deterrence to other people who also don't actually intend to bring it down.

    What you would do is fuck up someone's life, but that's the American way right. White picket fence for the law abiding Christians going around in the rat race, and completely fucking the lives up of everyone else, imprisonment, joblessness, homelessness, dependency on handouts, etc. Yeah that's much better.

  20. Re:Send him to gitmo by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

    He's probably a Linux hacker. This domestic terrorism must be dealt with in the harshest way possible.

    Make him use a Linux desktop?

    No, make him use Windows 8.0.

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  21. Re:bill him the cost of a new switching system. by murdocj · · Score: 1

    Having him understand now that there are consequences to actions will save his life. A slap on the wrist combined with lots of "wow, how clever" attention means he'll do it again

  22. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by murdocj · · Score: 1

    Interfering with the 911 system can kill people. It's a really, really bad thing to do. He doesn't have to fry but he does need a lot more than a stern talking to.

  23. Re:Send him to gitmo by murdocj · · Score: 1

    He's probably a Linux hacker. This domestic terrorism must be dealt with in the harshest way possible.

    Make him use a Linux desktop?

    Wow, that's harsh... can't we just put him in jail?

  24. Re:Off topic but... by BitterOak · · Score: 2

    Fuck Sheriff Joe Arpaio. That's all I have to say, and it's not related to this article

    There are a lot of legitimate reasons why people may dislike Sheriff Arpaio, but as far as I can tell, he acted appropriately in this instance.

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  25. Re:Absurd -- charge the device maker instead by anegg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    (1) He's 18 years old - that's an adult with the right to vote, the ability to make contracts, etc., despite the fact that he can be described as a "teenager."

    (2) The fact that it was "easy" doesn't excuse the behavior, in my opinion. It's "easy" to drive an automobile recklessly and hurt someone. It's "easy" to take a gun and start plinking in a residential neighborhood. Its "easy" to fool around and knock someone off of a cliff while out hiking. It's "easy" to play with matches and start a fire in a building. The world isn't structured so that actions that can do significant damage are "hard" to initiate; we depend upon people being aware of the consequences of their actions and acting accordingly. We don't excuse people for actions just because they were "easy" to undertake. His behavior was at best extremely careless, and at worst was deliberate and only regretted when it went really sideways.

    This individual engaged in actions that predictably had serious consequences. The court will determine whether he was thoroughly aware of the consequences, and act accordingly. Most of us manage to avoid requiring that level of government oversight. Some of us, especially in our early adulthood, need the administration of corrective discipline.

  26. Re:bill him the cost of a new switching system. by fibonacci8 · · Score: 1

    When do you get around to showing the people running the system that there are consequences to their actions?

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  27. Re:Absurd -- charge the device maker instead by sjames · · Score: 2

    (1) He's 18 years old - that's an adult with the right to vote, the ability to make contracts, etc.

    But not old enough to drink, so clearly under law he has diminished responsibility.

  28. ambiguous numbers by chexican · · Score: 1

    I thought the 911 referred to the amount of systems he launched attacks on.

  29. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by Tanman · · Score: 1

    Taking down 911 is no laughing "slap on the wrist" matter. People need 911 for actual emergencies. Shutting down that system is akin to sentencing people to die in certain circumstances.

  30. What are you, by sidevans · · Score: 1

    Stoned or stupid?

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  31. Re: Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Mor by xvan · · Score: 1

    So he's responsible enough to go to jail for negligence doing a job (or go to war) , but he's not responsible enough to buy a beer.

  32. Re: Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Mor by xvan · · Score: 1

    I don't know, after Operation Sundevil I think it was made clear that you don't fuck with the 911.

  33. Arrested for what? by mcfedr · · Score: 1

    Surely if anyone is at fault here it is apple for deploying buggy code and the department responsible for a 911 system that crashes under 6000 calls...

  34. Re:Send him to gitmo by smallfries · · Score: 1

    Good to see a realistic and moderate response for once - this was not a crime severe enough to warant making him use windows 10.

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  35. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by mea_culpa · · Score: 1

    Being charged with something and being convicted are two completely separate things.
    Law enforcement almost always charges kids with the maximum knowing full well that when it gets to court it will be plea bargained to a misdemeanor.

    In all likelihood this kid's parents will be required to pay damages ~$3000ish and the kid will get 120 hours of community service and a year or two probation.

  36. Re: Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Mor by Cederic · · Score: 1

    he's not responsible enough to buy a beer.

    Based on the 18 year olds I've known, no, he's not.

    Should still be allowed to, of course. Shit, how else are you going to learn?

  37. Re: Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Mor by gordguide · · Score: 1

    The legal drinking age isn't 18 in most North American jurisdictions because when it is (and it has been tried, based on legislators buying the "go to war" argument) then High School seniors can buy booze and attend school drunk, with little recourse for the school to address the disruptive behaviour.

    We had it here ... I was actually grandfathered in, when they changed it back (to 19) after one year, but wasn't effective until after my birthday. Pure Fucking Chaos in the High Schools, at after-hours sports events, you name it.

    Which kind of shows that, *supervised* you can send a kid to war but on their own, they act like big-bodied children.

  38. Re:Absurd -- charge the device maker instead by gordguide · · Score: 1



    <quote><p>(1) He's 18 years old - that's an adult with the right to vote, the ability to make contracts, etc.</p></quote>

    <p>But not old enough to drink, so clearly under law he has diminished responsibility.</p></quote>

    Maybe. But that is a factor in sentencing, not a factor in finding guilt.

  39. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by gweihir · · Score: 1

    I count these as barely human cave-men. But yes, these failed human beings tend to cluster around "leaders" that share their lack of positive human qualities.

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  40. Re:bill him the cost of a new switching system. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

    Having him understand now that there are consequences to actions will save his life.

    Yeah we should cut his eyes out. He'll remember that and this will save his life in the future.

    I always thought it was the American government to blame for your truly bizarre ways you punish people, but no I realise now you have exactly the government you deserve. Put everyone in prison for a little while, make sure they are bankrupt before they even get to university then bankrupt them again for good measure, and thanks to their record they'll never get a job. Now just sprinkle on a bit of hate against the welfare system and you have a delicious recipe for the fucked society you get mocked about.

  41. Just say it was affluenza by stabiesoft · · Score: 1

    Children are never responsible for anything anymore.

  42. Re:bill him the cost of a new switching system. by murdocj · · Score: 1

    It always amuses me how slashdotters have to go from one extreme to another. There are punishments between "scott free" and "hanging by his balls".

  43. Re:Absurd -- charge the device maker instead by sjames · · Score: 1

    It goes to Mens Rea which is definitely a factor in finding guilt. The whole premise of restricting alcohol until 21 is that younger people won't adequately predict harmful outcomes and avoid them.

  44. Even if you live with a service dog? by siriuskase · · Score: 1

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

    "A heroic service dog saved the day by dialing 911 and pulling her blind owner to safety after the home they shared in the Holmesburg section of Philadelphia caught fire on Thursday morning. Yolanda, a golden retriever, called 911 on a specialized phone...."

    normally, service dogs are trained to hit any button because they are all programmed to dial 911

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  45. Sheriff Arpaio? by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1

    Man, that kid is going to have a hell of a time. No nonsense sheriff. Sheriff will put him into his famous jail, in pink underwear, outside in a jail tent city where it's frickin' hot! I bet that kid won't do that again. He better hope he works out a deal to not go there.

  46. Re: Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Mor by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    High School seniors can buy booze and attend school drunk, with little recourse for the school to address the disruptive behaviour.

    They have the same recourse as for sober disruptive behaviour. Or are you saying that US High Schools literally have no disciplinary options at all?

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  47. Re:Absurd -- charge the device maker instead by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    It goes to Mens Rea which is definitely a factor in finding guilt. The whole premise of restricting alcohol until 21 is that younger people won't adequately predict harmful outcomes and avoid them.

    Getting drunk and doing something stupid can happen whether you're 18 or 50. There is no magical change between 18 and 21.

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  48. Re:Absurd -- charge the device maker instead by sjames · · Score: 1

    Certainly there is never a magical change and once you're drunk, you're drunk. The predictive (and self control) part is things like I'll stop now before I get out of control. Or now is not a good time to get drunk, I have to drive somewhere in an hour, I shouldn't chance a DUI. Or one beer and one beer only will be OK. Or even when I hang out with X I always drink more than I mean to, I'd best wait till after the big exam.

    It could even include things like This call 911 exploit is an accident waiting to happen, perhaps I should make it 411.

  49. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by pseudorand · · Score: 1

    Probation? He needs a "thank you" from both Apple and whatever IT department manages 911. If they can't handle a 6000-phone oops by some kid, WTF do I pay my taxes for? When ISIS and foreign governments launch such attacks, they will be much larger scale and at much less opportune times that really do cause lots of death and mayhem. He basically just walked into their wide open front door and said, "hey, you left the door open". If he happened to track a bit of mud on the carpet on his way out, that seems like a small price to pay.

  50. Re:Charge Apple with contributory neglegence? Morr by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    Right, because his alleged prank/accident requires the death penalty.

    You're telling me that the majority of humans out there, including you, haven't made a huge fuck up before? Lets just fry everybody who accidentally fucks something up without the foresight to know the outcome.

    2/3rds of our population would be removed.

    Maybe you'd fit in better in Saudi Arabia or other like-minded backwards-ass caveman societies.

  51. Re:Drop the lies by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    Joe is so serious, that he breaks federal anti-discrimination laws to suit his personal style of justice. That justice being putting minorities in their place because they could potentially be illegals, murderers, drug dealers, and rapists.