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Nearly 9 Out of 10 Smartphones Shipped Run On Android (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: Google's Android operating system was the big winner in a big time for worldwide phone shipments, market researcher Strategy Analytics reported Wednesday. Android captured 88 percent of all smartphone shipped in the third quarter of 2016, a period that also marks the fastest growth rate in a year. "Android's gain came at the expense of every major rival platform," Strategy Analytics' Linda Sui said in a press release. "Apple iOS lost ground to Android and dipped to 12 percent [market]share," primarily because of "lackluster" sales in China and Africa, she said. And don't bother looking for BlackBerry and Microsoft Windows phones in the mix. They "all but disappeared" in the period between July 1 and the end of September. While Android's leading position looks "unassailable," it does face challenges in a market filled with phones made by hundreds manufacturers, few of which turn a profit. That's not helped by Google's new Pixel phone, which competes against the companies that made it popular in the first place, Strategy Analytics said. About 375 million smartphones shipped in the third quarter of 2016, up 6 percent from 354.2 million units in the same period last year. Shipments of Android-based phones rose 10.3 percent, while Apple's iPhones fell 5.2 percent.

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  1. Re:Unlikely by KlomDark · · Score: 2

    Trolling for a "funny" there?

  2. Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Android is really dominant and really vulnerable. Anyone running Android is at serious risk of having their phone and private data conpromised. Just like with servers and IoT, Linux is dominant but can't be trusted to protect your privacy and security.

    1. Re:Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Depends on where you're talking about. iPhones are definitely dominant in the US. But go outside the country, and Androids flip the scale

    2. Re:Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by johanw · · Score: 1

      Unlike iOS apps, where Apple actively discourages this, Android apps usually run on fairly old versions too. If you are still running the fairly antique version 2.3, you can still run a lot. If you're on 4.4, you can run almost anything.

    3. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not sure why this is a troll. I have an Android phone that I bought in 2013 (new, shortly after that model was launched). It still gets occasional security updates, but the last one was about 8 months after the exploit was seen in the wild and it hasn't received updates for the latest string of vulnerabilities. If I wanted to use my phone as a vaguely trusted device, I would need to replace it. Add to that, it was a cheap low-end phone: there's no iOS equivalent, so no one wanting to buy a cheap disposable phone will get an iPhone (or, at least, not a new one).

      The big difference between iOS and Android is that with iOS the hardware manufacturer gets a cut of all sales from the default app store, on Android they don't. This means that Apple has a financial incentive to ensure that everyone who bought an iPhone can run the latest apps. If an Android handset manufacturer does the same thing, they just make it easier for Google to make money and decrease the probability that the user will buy a new phone, which is a net loss for them.

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    4. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by mbeckman · · Score: 1
      While it's true that Android seems like a bigger target, based on sales, iOS is the more prevalent OS based n web stats. The reason it's hacked less is because Apple's closed AppStore ecosystem is easier to secure in more situations. That's a trade off against freedom to innovate, although with both OSes users often have to jailbreak their devices due to hardware manufacturer restrictions on arbitrary software installation.

      A robust signed-code infrastructure helps, but was late in coming to both platforms.

    5. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      The important question that every one seems to ignore is, how many times have you been hacked?

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    6. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      No idea. I don't run an IDS on my phone. It probably helps that I'm one of only three people who run Firefox on Android, so I get a little bit of security from not being a large enough market to bother attacking and that I don't run most of the other default apps.

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    7. Re:Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of old by countach · · Score: 1

      Apple does not in any way, shape or form discourage apps from running on old versions.

  3. What's shipping? by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 2

    For 'brand new' shipping today devices what versions of Android are going out?

    1. Re:What's shipping? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

      6 probably

    2. Re:What's shipping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      6 for the good ones; 5 for garden variety. Expanding from phones, I still see tablets offered with 4. And no updates from most carriers after about 6 months.

    3. Re: What's shipping? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pinche pendejo, ya sabemos que vives en una cueva con tu iPhone

  4. And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old ... by postmortem · · Score: 4, Informative
  5. Re:Unlikely by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People that think they matter use iPhones. Period.

    Fixed that for ya.

  6. Some Observations by youngone · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I have a work iPhone 6 and a personal Samsung Galaxy S4. The Samsung is 3 years old and works fine. If I was to sell it second hand I might get $50 for it. The iPhone would sell for at least $500 (local dollars, not US).

    The old Samsung does everything the iPhone does. I noticed the Apple marketing for the iPhone 7 recently, and the things the iPhone 7 camera can do I have been able to do on my Samsung for the last three years. (Not that I do, they're mostly gimmicks).

    All of my wife's friends were Apple users until the last 12 months or so, now my wife is the last iPhone user in her group of friends. That's hardly a scientific poll or anything, but white, relatively wealthy middle class women used to be the core iPhone buyer.

    Just my two cents worth really, make of it what you will.

    1. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can you grill a cheese sandwich with an iPhone ?, you know you can with a Samsung and STILL have enough juice to iron your shirt.

    2. Re:Some Observations by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      I see a lot of people switch to Android because of the wider selection of phones and the mostly lower prices. But I see a lot of former iPhone users swiching back to Apple after having tried Android for a bit. If you can afford it and you're not a power user, the iPhone is a pretty good choice, I vastly prefer it over my Android (work) phone. My mother-in-law, a complete computer illiterate who got an Android phone as her first smart phone, is now switching to iPhone after having tried my old one for a bit. They are bloody expensive though...

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    3. Re:Some Observations by youngone · · Score: 2

      I think that's largely correct. My wife uses an iPhone because it's easy, and she is also a computer illiterate.

    4. Re:Some Observations by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I have 1 phone of each platform - iOS, Android and Windows Phone. An iPhone 7 (just upgraded from 5s, which I passed on to my niece), a Moto X and a Lumia 550.

      I use the iPhone for only two things - WhatsApp and FaceTime, as well as talking to family. The Moto X I use as a work phone, and have all the apps needed for work. The Lumia I use as a travel phone abroad.

      The iPhone is probably the last I'll use, unless it breaks down: it has a whopping 128GB of storage, which should last me I think 10 years. The Moto X I'll keep only for apps that ain't there on the Lumia. Hopefully, if Verizon adds a Windows 10 phone, or the Lumia 550 to its lineup, I'll use that. Aside from the personal stuff, I really like the Lumia, and Windows 10 Mobile is a lot better than Windows 8. I don't use Cortana or Siri or Okay Google.

    5. Re: Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hahaha.. You'll be forced to upgrade your trash iPhone in less than three years when it collapses under a shitty OS update like literally every other iPhone ever made.

      Keep dreaming.

    6. Re:Some Observations by rtb61 · · Score: 2

      Apple made the smart move when they jumped to selling privacy and unlike M$ not selling your privacy to others but selling your privacy to you. Apple are bound to push that harder and harder and one think likely to be banned at Apple, targeted advertisement because nothing screams absence of privacy, we own your life, like individually targeted advertisements. So basically Apple will hold it's own in the market, basically at around 10% and that is still millions of people, so plenty market there for Apple.

      M$ is just going down in a screaming heap and from mobile phones to the desktop, the market share is going down. So either Android or over priced Apple or the M$ Perves (nearly every one is avoiding them, I wonder how M$ employees feel being forced to carry around the probe, their employer controlled probe, well, thank fully I suppose it comes with a vibrate function to make them 'er' feel better).

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    7. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know you are a loser when you can't come up with a more believable lie to defend your ignorant point.

    8. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      firstly s4 released 2013 a full 18 months before the IPhone 6. you need to compare to an IPhone 5 and from what I can see they are both worth approximately the same price for such old phones.

    9. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's hardly a scientific poll or anything, but white, relatively wealthy middle class women used to be the core iPhone buyer.

      Really? Around here, iPhones are used mostly by the elderly.

    10. Re: Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Wow, you're a genuine moron.

      Yes, because if he were just a cheap copy of a moron that would be Android territory.

    11. Re:Some Observations by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      The iPhone is probably the last I'll use, unless it breaks down: it has a whopping 128GB of storage, which should last me I think 10 years.

      The storage? Maybe.

      The battery? You really think it will hold more than ten seconds of charge six years from now? Good luck getting it changed.

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    12. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Around here it's used by poor non-whites, but that might just be the ones that flash it the most.
      The only whites with iPhones I know are hipsters.

    13. Re: Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When people talk about price, I shake my head.

      iPhone or Android, you're talking about getting your phone basically free on contract. You might have to drop a hundred bucks or two hundred to get your preferred phone.

    14. Re:Some Observations by jareth-0205 · · Score: 1

      I think there's a heavy pull back to your first smartphone platform. I've always used Android and I find iPhones very hard work. And people often do a (by definition) high-end iPhone -> mid-range / budget Android and then wonder about why it doesn't feel as good...

      I think the lock-in to whatever Apple's decisions are is one of the most risky things about iPhone - we're seeing it now with the new MacBook 'Pro' that nobody likes. If you want a Mac you're stuck with whatever they release. Same with iPhone. Android has a good variety (though not as much as it could be - where's my qwerty keyboard??), and I am hoping that the new Pixel doesn't get too popular and that the minor manufacturers start holding their own. Android will be significantly poorer if it loses Sony / LG / HTC / etc.

    15. Re: Some Observations by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      iPhone or Android, you're talking about getting your phone basically free on contract

      If you buy your phone on contract, you're getting it 'free' in the sense that you're getting a loan at 50-100% APR. I buy my phones myself and it would take me 2-3 years to spend as much on calls / data / SMS as even a mid-range phone.

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    16. Re:Some Observations by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 2

      It's very risky, as people seem to like Apple's "courageous" choices less and less (myself included). In the old days, it was said that Apple did not design for a market or a target demographic or a focus group, they designed for Steve Jobs; a clever guy with good taste. Now that he's gone, Apple are struggling to keep up that important image. I can well imagine what goes through the heads of their design guys when Cook announces that they "need to make bold decisions for the next model iPhone." Something like "Oh dear god no they are going to kill the touch screen next!!!1!".

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    17. Re:Some Observations by Bongo · · Score: 1

      A friend started on iPhone all enthusiastic with the 3G. But then nothing new or exciting came from Apple so he switched to Android. He was about to get a Samsung next but that proved a bit too exciting so he's back to iPhones now.

    18. Re:Some Observations by Bongo · · Score: 1

      Don't be daft, of course they won't kill the touch screen. They'll kill the ability to make phone calls.

      Phone calls! That's a 140 year old tech! Time we ditched it!

    19. Re: Some Observations by unixisc · · Score: 1

      They'll need an iOS version that fills up 128GB of storage. Unless they decide to make the OS not install on a 7, but from what I understand, the reason the restrict how high a device can be upgraded is its available resource to support the OS

    20. Re: Some Observations by green1 · · Score: 1

      That only works if your carrier gives you a decent discount for BYOD, many do not. Around here the carriers have just now started to offer BYOD plans, but they're priced such that if you paid more than about $200 for your device you'd still be better off taking the "free" phone from the carrier. (and $200 doesn't buy you much of a device around here)

      Unless carriers are forced to unbundle the phones from the plans, they'll keep milking that.

    21. Re: Some Observations by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I forgot that you are compelled to upgrade to each new version.

      No wait, there are still people on iOS 6 and working just fine.

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    22. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, because replacing the battery on an iPhone is incredibly hard and absolutely cannot be done in less than 10 minutes.

    23. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So says Apple, yet they aren't giving us an actual number. Could they be lying? Nah! Apple would never lie to their customers. By the way, I'm pleased to see that all your posts are now defaulting to -1 moderation. You thought your lying, shilling, and trolling didn't have a price to pay. As usual, you were wrong.

    24. Re: Some Observations by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      The Joke

      Your Head

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    25. Re:Some Observations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you're the guy who bought the Windows phone. I was wondering who made up that 0.000000000000001% market share...

    26. Re: Some Observations by toadlife · · Score: 1

      If you buy your phone on contract, you're getting it 'free' in the sense that you're getting a loan at 50-100% APR

      That depends on the carrier. Many give no discount in service for paying the full price of the phone, so as long as you're okay with being "locked in" for two years, taking the subsidized phone makes perfect sense.

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    27. Re:Some Observations by TheFakeTimCook · · Score: 1

      So says Apple, yet they aren't giving us an actual number. Could they be lying? Nah! Apple would never lie to their customers. By the way, I'm pleased to see that all your posts are now defaulting to -1 moderation. You thought your lying, shilling, and trolling didn't have a price to pay. As usual, you were wrong.

      It will all come out in the SEC Filings.

  7. Figures for Active Devices by jaa101 · · Score: 0

    I'm guessing that Apple devices are used longer than Android on average. Are there any figures on the percentages of iOS and Android handsets still regularly in use? I've seen web browsing numbers but many people don't browse the web much on their smart phones.

    1. Re:Figures for Active Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      My iPhone 3GS is used by one of the kids as an iPod, the wireless doesn't work anymore, but it plays music fine.

      The 4S is still working just fine, so is my 5S (wife uses that now) and I have the SE.

  8. Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Kjella · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Market up 6%, iPhone down 5.2% = same people buying iPhones. Bottom of the market is swapping out really cheap dumbphones with almost as cheap Android "smartphones", but usually all the smart bits are very poor. A quick check at my local price check shows the cheapest Android phones sell for 1/5th of the price of the cheapest iPhone. It's like the market for $100,000 cars vs $20,000 cars, no wonder new buyers are in the $20k market. By itself that's no reason Apple should worry, Android got the volume and Apple the big spenders.

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    1. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by gmack · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't know why you put smartphone in quotes. My current smartphone cost me $150 USD for an octo core CPU and 3 GB ram/ dual SIMs etc. That's deep into the smartphone category and just as capable as a far more expensive phone.

    2. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah, I'm sure your tracphone is great and not a plastic garbage sandwich.

    3. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You should have not beat around the bush and used the ad-hominem "so called smartphone".

      Anyhow my first smartphone - Nokia 95 - had specs a thousand times worse than a hundred dollar android phone, and it could still do things that iPhone owners may only dream of - like run emulators and side load applications.

    4. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Android has to get through version "O" before they can move on to Plastic Garbage Sandwich.

    5. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just replaced my wife's Samsung Galaxy S4 with an LG G2 for $200 brand new on ebay.
      I could have bought a brand new LG G3 for $180. I opted for the G2. The battery life on those things kicks everything else's ass.
      I don't give a shit about slightly faster CPU/GPU, higher resolution display, the difference of which my eyes can't even perceive (and which cancels out the faster CPU/GPU).
      Could you explain how an iPhone 7 is superior to an LG G2 in practical terms?

    6. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you, you bought a used old phone. In practical terms the iPhone 7 is better and it isn't several years old. If you want to compare it to an iPhone compare it to an old iPhone.

    7. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by LordLucless · · Score: 1

      By itself that's no reason Apple should worry, Android got the volume and Apple the big spenders.

      Not quite true. Up until the Notesplosion debacle, Samsung had been getting a good chunk of the high-spender market too, along with other manufacturer's Android flagships. Apple got half the big spenders, and Android got half the big spenders, and all the volume.

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    8. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good for you, you bought a used old phone. In practical terms the iPhone 7 is better

      What is the latest version of Android that runs on the iPhone 7?

    9. Re: Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You didn't answer the question.

      Besides posturing, you didn't explain one way the iPhone is better in practical terms

    10. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by green1 · · Score: 2

      This is exactly it.

      ALL the high end phones are Android. Every single one.

      Of the mid-range phones, the iPhone7 is by far the most expensive, at about the same price as the high end Androids. but it has a fairly small market share.

      All the low end phones are Android. With the exception of the 2 windows phone users and the lone blackberry guy.

      End result is Android is dominating the high end market, the low end market, and the mid-range market.

    11. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2 Windows users? Who's the other one? We need to meet up for a party!

    12. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      The danger for Apple comes when their $100,000 luxury car has less comfortable seats, less leg room, and a worse transmission than the $20,000 economy car. Plus, the economy car has a whole slew of useful features that that luxury car is simply missing. Yeah, it's a little complicated to operate the moon roof, but the Apple car doesn't even HAVE a moon roof so you can't complain that much about it.

      Once you learn how to work the moon roof, why would you "upgrade" to a car without one?

      That's the danger of the low end market to the iPhone. There is going to be a significant percentage of people who prefer to upgrade to a higher end version of the phone they know, rather than jump to a phone they don't know that also may not have many features they use and like.

      The only people iPhone is going to steal from that market are people who, for whatever reason, find Android painful to use (a decent sized minority of users), or they are people who are already deep into the Apple universe, missing only the iPhone to round things out. Expect the latter to buy used iPhones in the first place rather than Android phones, however.

      There are also a small number of people like a friend of mine, who couldn't give two whits what OS their phone runs, they just want the most recent phone they can get their hands on. This person switches between iPhone and Android constantly with little complaint for either.

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    13. Re:Dumbphones replaced by smartphones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's quite clearly an fanboi.

      The danger is that if there's not enough people, developers will stop developing for the platform. The Wii, for example. Nintendo couldn't attract developers, which therefore loses customers which scares off even more developers.

      If any platform loses too much market, even with big spenders (studies have shown only like 100-1000 apps actually make a decent profit / obscene profit; all others are not making enough to support the dev's living expenses), it's going to be a death knell for them as they're dependend on their ecosystem profits.

      That said, it's going to take DECADES for them to die off with so much money in the bank (unless they really screw the pooch, not even really sure how... fatfinger a 0 on a trade?)

      Also, why compare cheapest with cheapest? Comparing high end (as you are with high end sports cars) to high end, there are instances where it's even more expensive (because there's more hardware and features included)

  9. The choice by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Let's see, I can choose between:

    iPhone: Proprietary, unchangeable, walled garden, one vendor, one device.

    Android: Open source, changeable, free, many vendors, many devices.

    Is this even a choice?

    1. Re:The choice by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 5, Informative

      The answer is obviously yes as Apple has about 12% of the market and is number two behind Samsung. Apple takes about 70% of the profit.

      Apple has been losing share and profit, which I think is due to expansion in the lower price segment of the market and the improved quality of Android based phones. I would argue that the "open source, changeable, free (do you mean as in beer or as in speech)" are not factors that most people care about. I think the majority of the smartphone users care about price and usability.

    2. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android phones vary from cheap to expensive.

      iPhones are just expensive.

    3. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Valid points on a tech forum, however the vast majority of users are better off in a walled garden, if not for their own protection.

    4. Re:The choice by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 5, Insightful

      iPhone: works great if it does what you need it to do out of the box, which it does for many people. If it doesn't, it sucks.
      Android: works great if you choose the right device, vendor (and even service provider), and spend some time tweaking it. If you don't, it sucks.

      The iPhone works well for me, if I can't see the walls around the garden I don't care about them, and I don't want to have to tweak my phone (install 3rd party tools or remove crapware) to make it work well. I hate my stock Android device (that I use for work) with a passion, but that's just me.

      One thing though: I start bumping into those Apple walls more and more often, and so do other ordinary people. For example: speech recognition, which is incredibly useful in certain applications like home automation, and something that people want. App developers have been able to hook into Google's speech stuff for donkeys years now, but on iOS Apple only recently announced the eagerly awaited 3rd party access to the Siri API... which turns out to be exceedingly clunky and limited to only 6 domains: ride booking, online payments, messaging, that sort of thing. No home automation, not yet and probably not ever because Apple have their own HA offering: HomeKit. Which is still very much in its infancy and not very good even in basic setups, because it doesn't play nice with other kit. More walls... That's something that Apple need to be careful about; if this happens once too often, people will switch.

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    5. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah. i use that Open Source on Android a lot....

      Reality, there is more open source on IOS....

      Both platforms have more than enough features now, so when I alternate platforms, the apps choice is irrelevant. What I need is there. I'm talking what serious apps I need, not what widgets and skins you can or cannot do. What is also relevant is the latest security patches timeliness.

    6. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, because most people dont give a toss.

    7. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it is. Since you neglected to mention the many Android deficiencies of which security is the worst.

      Android is just Windows redux. How does that feel?

    8. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      You are right, the vast majority of users are better having all that money that is cluttering up their bank accounts removed and given to Apple, as after all, it is in this for the good of humanity!

      Luckily Apple devices are perfectly secure! they dont need to worry about their nude pictures getting stolen, their itunes accounts emptied, or their devices being remote rooted..

      Oh. oops.

    9. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Android phones vary from pure garbage to average garbage.

    10. Re:The choice by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let's see, I can choose between:

      iPhone: Proprietary, unchangeable, walled garden, one vendor, one device.

      Android: Open source, changeable, free, many vendors, many devices.

      Is this even a choice?

      I use a Samsung Galaxy S7. I don't think ANY of your options are reasons for the majority of consumers. They care about price, features and interacting with their friends with another smaller (but highly lucrative target group) caring about fashion and trend. The people that give a shit about the proprietry/open source/walled garden etc stuff is so insignificant that I don't think either side intentionally targets them.

    11. Re:The choice by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 2

      Of course it is. Since you neglected to mention the many Android deficiencies of which security is the worst.

      Android is just Windows redux. How does that feel?

      Considering that I've been using Windows for over twenty years, it feels pretty good thank you very much.

      Security isn't just about your device(s) and software being "perfect." We're humans, we don't do anything perfect. Security is about also being knowledgeable about whatever you're using and being aware of its vulnerabilities if any are known, and knowing how to properly mitigate that risk, and most important, recognizing when something is out of place.

      That's probably why I don't ever have security issues with Windows, nor Android. I frankly don't even understand how people can be so stupid as to install crap on their device(s) and get suckered into visiting malicious websites. I suppose I take my experience a little bit for granted.

    12. Re:The choice by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 0

      I use a Samsung Galaxy S7. I don't think ANY of your options are reasons for the majority of consumers. They care about price, features and interacting with their friends with another smaller (but highly lucrative target group) caring about fashion and trend. The people that give a shit about the proprietry/open source/walled garden etc stuff is so insignificant that I don't think either side intentionally targets them.

      Why is this the general consensus here? This is a tech site, these are the things I thought the audience of this site would be interested in. I don't give a fly f what those muggles think.

    13. Re:The choice by arth1 · · Score: 2

      iPhone: works great if it does what you need it to do out of the box, which it does for many people. If it doesn't, it sucks.
      Android: works great if you choose the right device, vendor (and even service provider), and spend some time tweaking it. If you don't, it sucks.

      As a sysadmin, I know well that all operating systems suck. What differs is how much the suckiness can be reduced, and how much effort that will be.

      What I need a smartdevice for is likely atypical, but includes some musts like 5 GHz WiFi support, ssh applications with keyboard that allows easy access to things like ESC and TAB, e-mail that supports client certificates for SMTP, a web browser that doesn't report what URLs I browse, and a screen that's big enough physically that I can read console output without a loupe.

      For home use, an e-reader that supports hardware buttons for flipping pages for reading read one-handed, and gapless audio playback including FLAC support and sideloading audio.

      For me, Android is by far what I can make the least sucky with the least amount of grief.
      But it truly sucks. Just less than iOS and Windows Mobile (or whatever they call it these days).

    14. Re:The choice by Camembert · · Score: 2

      >> Is this even a choice?
      Well, yes. I am a happy iphone user. By and large they work well and reliably long so, and when eventually compelled to upgrade the phone was still good enough to give to a family member. I find them easier to use than Android, which may be a matter of habit. I don't particularly care about it being open source, and I have not found the walled garden a limit. The walls are far away for my usage, and the apps tend to do what is on the lid.
      What I especially like (cue to sn1ggering comments of offering my ass to Tim, etc etc) is how well it all works together with my macbook, ipad and apple tv: icloud syncing of photos and music everywhere, documents available immediately on my mac, iphone and ipad, even simply the notepad being synced everywhere is wonderful. yes, you can do all that with other approaches like dropbox etc, however I like how I don't even have to think about it at all.

    15. Re:The choice by tlhIngan · · Score: 1

      One thing though: I start bumping into those Apple walls more and more often, and so do other ordinary people. For example: speech recognition, which is incredibly useful in certain applications like home automation, and something that people want. App developers have been able to hook into Google's speech stuff for donkeys years now, but on iOS Apple only recently announced the eagerly awaited 3rd party access to the Siri API... which turns out to be exceedingly clunky and limited to only 6 domains: ride booking, online payments, messaging, that sort of thing. No home automation, not yet and probably not ever because Apple have their own HA offering: HomeKit. Which is still very much in its infancy and not very good even in basic setups, because it doesn't play nice with other kit. More walls... That's something that Apple need to be careful about; if this happens once too often, people will switch.

      It's a fine line. Apple's method is clunky because a lot of it is done on-device and as little of it is done on Apple's servers. Google can make theirs work really well because it just sends it all to the cloud, no care about privacy.

      It's also why the cloud-based Siri will never be as good - Apple has partitioned their departments that handle user data, so data collected for one purpose can NOT be used by any other department.

      You may remember a few years ago Google basically unified all their services so instead of collecting user data in silos, they decided to simply share it among themselves. And now recently, all that data is now shared among all Alphabet companies. So all your Google searches and YouTube video watches and Google+ information is now available to all the advertising networks Google owns. And they own a few of the more notorious ones, like DoubleClick, which until recently was forbidden for accessing unified Google data, but now has access to it all.

      It sucks, really, because if Siri could get access to a whole bunch of user data, it could be much better, but Apple's internal policies don't let it. (And more than a few AI researches have quit Apple because they couldn't access the necessary data sets). So it's a challenge - go with Google, and get stuff that works, but rapes you for all your information, or go with Apple, which doesn't work as well, because of privacy. Why is this even a choice?

    16. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course there is a choice.

      Some people make choices based on phone capabilities, if they like the phone, how it feels, if the apps they have is on the phone.
      Others make money using their phones and may choose for that reason.
      Others want to fit in their group.
      Fashion, color, shape, trendiness, these all matter and will drive the choice for some.
      Some have irrational loyalty to their "team", and will spend money to be identified as a team member.
      Others don't care, have no opinion, and will flip a coin
      Some will be docile and follow the advice of sales people or friends.

      In short, many wont care about anything you do and wont spend a second on any of your reasons for chooing.

      Its quite telling that implicitly you feel no one else gets to choose their own, different, reasons for purchasing products.

      If someone gets joy from their phone, Im happy for them. Their life is better now.

      If someone gets joy from controlling the phone choice of others, I'm guessing their life is a series of disappointments.

      Choose wisely.

    17. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      to incinerated garbage on a plane.

    18. Re:The choice by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      of course we care about those things here, but this site is NOT a good representation of the general publics views towards consumer technology purchases and is the reason why many here would do very badly if given the opportunity to make decisions for places like Samsung/apple etc.

    19. Re:The choice by jareth-0205 · · Score: 0

      Apple takes about 70% of the profit.

      ... I would argue that the "open source, changeable, free (do you mean as in beer or as in speech)" are not factors that most people care about. I think the majority of the smartphone users care about price and usability.

      Why for the love of all that is holy would an end-user care about the amount of money the manufacturer makes? Apart from a dick-waving contest, of course? I would assume that the more money a company makes from my purchase, the *less* value I am getting from it.

    20. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Longevity and lifetime of a platform. As a developer I'll be wary to invest my time learning APIs and developing on a platform where the hardware manufacturer isn't making enough to keep the lights on.

    21. Re:The choice by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      From your link: "Apple captured 75% of smartphone industry profits in the second quarter, down from 84% in Q1 and 91% in Q2 2015"

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    22. Re:The choice by Anonymous+Coward+912 · · Score: 1

      It is amazing to me that people can be so in tune with their own preferences and then fail to account for other people being different at the same time.

      Android people will talk all day about why they prefer android and how it is inconceivable that anyone really likes or wants an Apple product. They must be purchasing it because its a status symbol.

      Apple people will talk all day about why they prefer iOS and how it is inconceivable that anyone really likes or wants an Android product. They must be nerds and/or cheapskates.

      I'd like to put forth the notion that people are a diverse bunch and it is entirely probable that the person purchasing a different product than you is making the purchase because they genuinely like that product. For example, I personally enjoy my iPhone. I don't tolerate it. I don't put up with it. I don't wish it was different. I like it just the way it is. I get that some people don't. That's ok. The world would be a very boring place if everyone was me.

    23. Re:The choice by green1 · · Score: 1

      Apple has about 12% of the market and is number two behind Samsung. Apple takes about 70% of the profit.

      So what you're saying, is that iPhones are the most over-priced of all the devices. I don't know about you, but I don't see that as a selling feature....

    24. Re:The choice by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      So it's a challenge - go with Google, and get stuff that works, but rapes you for all your information, or go with Apple, which doesn't work as well, because of privacy. Why is this even a choice?

      Because the service is so, so much better. You're seriously underselling what Google gives you in exchange for all that personal but generally completely inconsequential information.

      Have you compared Google Voice and Siri side by side? I'm constantly amazed that I almost never need to repeat myself to Google, it picks things up the first time almost every single time. Meanwhile, a friend of mine tried to trigger a common Siri joke for me and had to keep saying it over, and over, and over, and over until finally Siri picked it up. No funny accent or mumbling involved, Siri just couldn't figure out what he was trying to say. I was shocked by how bad it was. I used to see iPhone users using Siri all the time, back when it was a novel thing. But now never.

      That's not even getting into the rest of Google's business.

      I remember a world before Google. I consider yielding my web search information a price well paid for a web where obnoxious advertisements that have piss all to do with my interests are replaced by unobtrusive links to products that I might actually be interested in. Where searching on dozens of search engines and browsing obnoxious link directories is replaced by a single search site that consistently gives the most relevent search results possible search, after search, after search. A world where your only options for phones aren't those absurd Windows PCs in your hand or a smartphone run by a control freak of a corporation.

      Besides, it's not like there aren't dozens of ways of reducing your exposure so that Google gets little to none of your information, if you really want to keep it private. It's less convenient though. Information is the price of admission to Google's wonderful world of the future.

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    25. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure what you mean with Android and tweaking.

      If you pick a specific reputable Android manufacturer, you will get a specific reputable user experience.

      Just because you CAN tweak it doesn't mean you MUST. All Android devices, out of the box, act as a dumb "grid of icons" homescreen and requires no tweaking to get Facebook and the game-du-jour.. Hell, you don't even need a credit card to sign up for the Play Store, which is one less step for inexperienced users to screw up. If you want to improve on the dumb grid of icons user experience, you're already in business.

      Both my luddite parents are using android devices. They choose not to tweak things and use it without my guidance (and most of my guidance has been "read the damn screen and answer the damn question"). They also don't care about all the other apps installed on the phone. They have 32GB versions and have many GBs free; just because YOU hate about freebies included with your phone doesn't mean everyone else does.

      I mean, how can one know if even APL devices fit their wants and desires? You could say that their Books and Maps app are bloatware too since you don't ever want to use them. You haven't been able to remove them. I wonder what arcane steps you have to do to remove them as I hear that's what they're planning. Install several hundred MB with several annoying unstable services always running wasting your RAM and drive space? To that effect, you SHOULD be researching your device, regardless of the manufacturer.

    26. Re:The choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The funny part is, the data never leaves Google. They're selling targetted ads, not your your information. If they sold your information, they'd be out of business really quick.

    27. Re:The choice by countach · · Score: 1

      Manufacturer support? When I get an iPhone I know Apple will support it for at least 4 years, maybe more, and they've got the $$$ to pull off that promise. And my apps and data are highly likely to have a migration path to the next device. By contrast, the fact that something like 1% of Android users are on the latest version is an indication of the level of support from other vendors.

      Don't get me wrong, I wish Android was better. In some ways it is better than IOS. But until the manufacturers support the product for whole of life and onto the next device, I am not diving in.

  10. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    If Android were an intentionally hobbled mobile OS that relied on minor features to sell new smartphones, that would be problem, but it's not. Even older versions are quite capable -- more so than other mobile OSs -- with lots of user freedom. And if you're into Google's free services, they get updated all of the time.

    I only upgraded my Android phone when its memory was no longer enough. I used it for almost 5 years straight. There was no need to upgrade prior to some modern apps and services becoming more bloated.

  11. well no joke by whoozwah · · Score: 5, Informative

    1 out of the multitude smartphone manufacturers ships with iOS.

  12. Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can't understand why some would develop exclusively for such a small market share.

    1. Re:Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by johanw · · Score: 1

      iOS customers are more likely to buy an app. And the piracy rate on Android is mucht higher, also because it's easy to install apps outside stores.

    2. Re:Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it is easier when most people who use iPhones have the latest iOS, and there are standards to make it easier to test.

      And because iPhones are better all around too.

    3. Re: Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because iPhone users have cash to spend. When someone buys a cheap Chinese Android how many apps do you think they buy? Also, it's granny buying the Android (on the advice of her nerd grandson) and she can't figure out the Play Store and grandson can't be arsed to explain it. It's Windows all over again.

    4. Re:Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by Swampash · · Score: 2

      Because when 90% percent of "the market" never purchases anything, it's not a market. It makes more sense to say

      "It's easy to understand why iOS has so many exclusive apps, it has nearly 100% market share".

    5. Re:Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Because when 90% percent of "the market" never purchases anything, it's not a market.

      10% of 90% of the market is about as big as 10% of the market...

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    6. Re:Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apple pays for all its exclusives

    7. Re:Weird that iOS has so many exclusive apps by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      iOS users are more likely to pay for apps than Android users. Apple supports phones from the last 3-4 years on the latest OS, so you can use the latest APIs and still expect stuff to work for most potential customers. Apple releases 1-2 phones a year, so you can literally test on all of the possible deployment devices. The first of these points increases the potential income, the last two decrease the development costs. Oh, and Apple employs a few people who actually know about API design, Google throws out poorly conceived APIs that are painful to use.

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  13. Awesome... by r_naked · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So we ended up with the MS of the mobile world. Don't get me wrong, I use an Android phone, and I think things are OK right now, but if Google decided to become a super dick -- the battle starts all over again.

    I think my next phone will run Ubuntu.

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    1. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Google is already a super dick. Can't imagine how they could become more dickish but I'm pretty sure they are working on it.

    2. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What will take for Google to cross the line? They already capture you sent and received phone numbers. There is NO need for that. I'm not talking from gmail, talking uploads from Android itself. What next, email addresses and content? Like Cortana, 'make your experience better'? How do the bleeting sheep who don't like gmail because it harvests info, reconcile using Android?

    3. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They already capture you sent and received phone numbers.

      Cite?

    4. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Meanwhile, I have a Lumia 950XL running the actual MS of the mobile world, and it's, IMHO, far better than either iOS or Android.

      If Microsoft would push a little harder and actually pay any attention at all to their mobile OS, they'd own the market. Win10M feels like it has 10 years of development and attention that iOS and Android haven't had yet. Oh, wait.

    5. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A cell phone is the only place you want to see Ubuntu, the Unity UI slaps 'tiles' on your desktop and opening more than one instance of, say, the file manager is verboten- guess Ubuntu users don't get to drag-and-drop files to copy or delete. It's the Unity way or the highway. Oh yea, and no handy system tray at the bottom showing which 'apps' are running either-talk to the 'tiles' buddy. But they won't let you open another instance, they'll just vibrate. Ubuntu Unity UI seems to ape a cell phone so just use it for that instead of Android. I use Linux Mint on desk and laptop. Very stable, responsive, system tray at bottom, open all the instances you want-and no fucking 'tiles' thank you. This is a desktop or laptop user interface, not a phone, I don't need another 'launcher' since I already have icons, menus and the file name to launch my 'apps'.

    6. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol sure and apple is the saint of techtown. apple has been dicks since the companys inception.

    7. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're so delusional. WP is a POS OS which is why developers abandoned it. And your app store is a cesspool.

    8. Re:Awesome... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2

      I've not tried the latest Windows Phone version, but my partner has one that's running an older release and I'd agree with the parent. It's the first phone I've used with a UI that hasn't pissed me off. Unfortunately, it has some stability issues (sound stops working about once a month requiring a reboot, which makes using it as an alarm clock interesting) and Microsoft completely failed to get developers interested in the platform: they really needed to hand out a few thousand high-end Windows phones free to developers to bootstrap the ecosystem, but they didn't (not allowing native code also crippled it early on, as it made ports impossible and by the time they removed this restriction it was too late). It's a shame. Google and Apple need more competition.

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    9. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows phone is dead. My company (multi-national, 100,000 employees) is an dyed-in-the-wool MS setup and they rolled out Lumia Windows phones to nearly everyone a few years back. The next phone refresh in a year or so will be Android (plus a few iPhones).

    10. Re:Awesome... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      opening more than one instance of, say, the file manager is verboten- ...but only for the terminally stupid.

      It's 'middle click' or 'right click,new window'.

    11. Re:Awesome... by _xanthus_47 · · Score: 1

      2042 - Year Of The Ubuntu Mobile

    12. Re:Awesome... by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      Calling Google a dick in an indirect comparison to Apple is like seeing an orange next to a lemon and saying "Wow, that orange is pretty damn yellow!".

      Yeah, Google aren't the saints the once were, but Apple were never saints. Apple sets the gold standard for dickishness in the tech world. The fact that they've done one or two nice things in the past just means they aren't complete dicks, only mostly dicks. They still treat their employees like dirt, their customers like morons, and their app developers like serfs existing solely for the pleasure of their corporate lord.

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  14. 88% is 7 out of 8 by Moof123 · · Score: 1

    No need to round before finding a nice ratio approximation, it adds error needlessly.

  15. run ON?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Stop the madness! Devices RUN software like operating systems and programs. Operating systems RUN ON devices. Devices RUN ON electricity.

  16. Just one question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are they counting the exploding Samsung RMAs as one shipment or three?

    1. Re: Just one question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think the overheating subset of Samsung's less popular phablet line counts for much of anything unless you're an iTard looking to score points with the clueless.

  17. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by hsmith · · Score: 1

    Security updates are for losers.

  18. note 7 joke by Mishotaki · · Score: 4, Funny

    off course, you ship your note 7 to the customer and back.... twice in the same year, so every note was counted 4 times, it kinda helps...

  19. Meanwhile behind the Apple RDF... by Jason1729 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Over in the Apple forum they're saying iOS and Android are both doing well with a combined 99% market share.

    1. Re:Meanwhile behind the Apple RDF... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think Apple forums preffer to talk about how 60% or iPhones have been updated to iOS 10 while 30% of Android users are still using a three years OS version or older.

      I mean, I don't understand why Google bothers releasing Android 7 when Android 6 hasn't reached 20% of their users. And it was released one year ago. Even today you can find new Android devices with Android 4 installed on them.

      But I guess it's alright. I mean, after all we're talking about Android. And Android is Linux so... freedom!

  20. Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And literally 9 out of 10 dollars earned in profit on all phones sold by any company goes to Apple.

    http://www.wsj.com/articles/apples-share-of-smartphone-industrys-profits-soars-to-92-1436727458

    1. Re:Yawn by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      And that is good for the consumer because???

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    2. Re:Yawn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who said that? It's just that it's easier to sell shit by doing it at the lower possible price than selling something good with a huge profit margin.

      And, by the way, I'm not saying that all Android smartphones are shit but I bet most people aren't buying high-end ones or they would be more profitable.

    3. Re:Yawn by green1 · · Score: 1

      What part of the manufacturing process of a high end phone adds profit margin?

      High or low end phone doesn't matter for profit margin, what matters is where they set the price.

      Feature and spec wise, iPhones compete with mid-range Androids, but they are priced like high end Androids, that's why they have a huge profit margin, because they set the price high for the feature set and specs.

      Kudos to Apple for finding enough suckers to buy their overpriced junk, but don't confuse profit margin with quality of the good being sold. The two are not related.

    4. Re:Yawn by LynnwoodRooster · · Score: 1

      Then why bring it up? It's irrelevant in terms of marketshare. Unless you think it matters, in which case - why does it matter?

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  21. Cyanogen nightlies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Here's your reminder that the Cyanogenmod nightlies include a fix for Dirty COW. Keep your phones up to date folks.

    1. Re:Cyanogen nightlies by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Keep your phones up to date folks.

      Check your update privileges, shitlord. Keep this a safe place for android users.

  22. But how many android phones are in use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My family has five iPhones, from iPhone 4 through iPhone 6. All are in use. I have a drawer full of a dozen or more dead androids. They either quit working because of poor quality, become unupgradable and malware infested, or burst randomly into flame. So the real question is how many android phones are actually being used? According to DeviceAtlas web stats, iOS trumps android in most countries:

    https://deviceatlas.com/blog/android-vs-ios-market-share-2015

    1. Re:But how many android phones are in use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Quit lying, you iTard. You don't have any Android phones.

    2. Re:But how many android phones are in use? by green1 · · Score: 1

      And yet my only iphone is in a drawer as it is unusably slow after only a couple years, meanwhile my much older androids are in use as various things from media player hooked up to the TV, to tablet for my daughter to play with, etc.

      iPhones get slower and slower with each update, and if you don't update them all the apps stop working as they all insist on the latest OS. Meanwhile Androids get faster with each update, and the apps all keep trucking along. It helps that Android phones tend to be higher end devices with more memory, faster processors, more storage, and features that the iPhone wouldn't get for a couple years further in to the future.

    3. Re:But how many android phones are in use? by Bigjeff5 · · Score: 1

      I've been an Android user since smartphones became popular, and I've never had malware on my phone. And while it's true that some carriers stop sending updates stupidly quickly, I've never seen one that was "unupgradable", though I'm sure that's a thing that probably does happen eventually. Please ignore the fact that you can't get iOS 10 on a 4 year old iPhone, while you can run Marshmallow, the latest fully released Android version (Nougat is only partially released atm), on 7 year old phones. It's the Android that's "unupgradeable", sure.

      Perhaps the Android phones are just too smart for you? Don't feel bad, some people can only handle simple things, and complicated things make them feel stupid. It's much safer to blame the device, so you don't hurt your own feelings.

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    4. Re:But how many android phones are in use? by clonehappy · · Score: 1

      Please ignore the fact that you can't get iOS 10 on a 4 year old iPhone, while you can run Marshmallow, the latest fully released Android version (Nougat is only partially released atm), on 7 year old phones. It's the Android that's "unupgradeable", sure.

      This might be the biggest [citation fucking really needed] I've ever posted.

      Please show me which Android phone, released in 2009 (2009 + 7 = 2016, and 2016 is the current year in case you weren't sure) can run Marshmallow without hacking or running a custom ROM. Hell, please show me which Android phones (you did say phones, so please show at least two), released in 2009, can run Marshmallow WITH a hack or custom ROM. I'm serious, I want to know which underpowered single-core Android can be hacked into running Marshmallow so I can try it for myself just to see how usable it is. I'm genuinely curious.

      As for Apple, sure, you can't run iOS on an iPhone 4S, but that was released in 2011 (5 years ago), which the iPhone 5, released in 2012 (4 years ago) has received the iOS 10 update WITHOUT hacks and is still very usable. You are misleading people and being disingenuous. Why? You compare apples to baseballs and somehow makes you feel Android is superior, and that's OK, but please, please don't try and mislead users into thinking that Android is the platform that will provide them with a stable, supported upgrade path more than a year or two into the future.

    5. Re:But how many android phones are in use? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please ignore the fact that you can't get iOS 10 on a 4 year old iPhone

      Strange, my wife gets a new iPhone every two years (contract), and I get her old one. I currently use her old iPhone 5, just 5. No 5S, no 5S. It runs iOS10 and the iPhone 5 has been released in September 2012. I admit my math is a bit rusty, but, that's four years isn't it?
      Is it probably the last upgrade I get? Absolutely... However Apples iPhone longevity/support cycles is something no Android can even hope to achieve.

      you can run Marshmallow, the latest fully released Android version (Nougat is only partially released atm), on 7 year old phones. It's the Android that's "unupgradeable", sure.

      Oh, I believe you that you can do that. Your hacking and L337 skills are not in question here. What matters is whether Aunt Tillie or Granny Hilda can upgrade it. If not, you've got a phone that only nerds can use. Pretty much all mainstream Android support vanishes within six months after sale, one year if you have a high end Android.

    6. Re:But how many android phones are in use? by jawtheshark · · Score: 1

      No 5S, no 5S => No 5C, no 5S

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  23. and nearly 10 out of 10 by Tjp($)pjT · · Score: 0

    And nearly 10 out of 10 phones returned for exploding run Android.

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  24. Selling at a loss by Guspaz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Samsung was the only Android handheld manufacturer making any actual profit (not a loss or breaking even), and the billions upon billions of dollars of costs for the Note 7 issues have wiped out years worth of profit for the things. That means that at this point, Apple is the only company actually making any significant profit in the industry.

    So, is it really so bad to only have 12% of the market when you're the only ones making any money?

    1. Re:Selling at a loss by The+Conductor · · Score: 1

      is it really so bad to only have 12% of the market when you're the only ones making any money?

      In the short-term it is just fine. In the longer term, not so much. I am reminded of the 90's when the Mac's 9% marketshare was about the same as Gateway, but they made 5 times as much profit. That didn't last long and after a few years Apple had to install Microsoft's godawful browser at the factory in exchange for a stock-for-cash infusion. The Mac never saved us from MS hegemony; Linux servers and web-apps did. What will save us from Google hegemony?

    2. Re:Selling at a loss by duke_cheetah2003 · · Score: 1

      Samsung was the only Android handheld manufacturer making any actual profit (not a loss or breaking even), and the billions upon billions of dollars of costs for the Note 7 issues have wiped out years worth of profit for the things. That means that at this point, Apple is the only company actually making any significant profit in the industry.

      So, is it really so bad to only have 12% of the market when you're the only ones making any money?

      Hmm. I imagine Google is making $$$ hand over fist off advertising revenue, with such a huge install base. Handset manufacturers must be choosing to deploy at a loss if they're losing money on this deal. And who's fault is that? Not Google or Android.

    3. Re:Selling at a loss by paai · · Score: 1

      Making money of course is an important consideration, especially for people with a certain mindset. Other people prefer to consider the impact of a technology on society or whether life is improved by it. Would you measure the importance of open source to the amount money it generated or to the fact that it made the Internet possible?

      Paai

    4. Re:Selling at a loss by OpenSourced · · Score: 1

      Well, if your share of the market drops below a certain point (technically known as the Blackberry point) then you won't get the new apps developed for your platform. And then you die. Slowly at first, then all of a sudden.

      Of course rich people has Apple so it cannot die, and bla, bla. Well, rich people has money to change their phone in seconds if the NewHipApp isn't available for iOS. It's not like they are married to their iPhones, or rather it is like they are married to them, seeing how easily everybody divorces nowadays.

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    5. Re:Selling at a loss by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      People have been saying that for 6+ years now, yet somehow all these other loss-making manufacturers are still in business and still releasing new models.

      LG makes money, HTC makes money, OnePlus makes money, Xaomi makes money, Motorola makes money, Huwawei makes money... The only people really struggling are Microsoft, Nokia and Blackberry, the ones who don't embrace Android.

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    6. Re:Selling at a loss by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why Google opted to develop Android and give it away for free.

      They had the foresight to see that the money is not in selling the hardware (except for high end gadgets).

    7. Re:Selling at a loss by Solandri · · Score: 1

      The mainstream press is enamored with Apple and has always cast the profit picture as Apple being normal, everyone else performing poorly. That's actually backwards. The average profit margin in the smartphone industry is not far off the average for consumer electronics (about 3%-7%). Everyone making smartphones is operating under the same economics as everyone making routers, or DVD players, or printers, or laptops. But you hardly see those industries chastised by the press for not making enough profit; in fact most people would consider them to be very healthy industries.

      It's Apple which is the aberration, with a profit margin around 25% - about the same as high brand-name fashions. While they're very good at capturing the 5%-10% of the market which is clueless or doesn't care about their money as long as it's popular and looks good, you'll find most technophiles steer clear of their products due to either lacking functionality, or not providing enough cost-to-benefit ratio. Despite the praise lavished upon them by the press for their "innovation", they're not really innovators. They're actually near the bottom in R&D spending as a percentage of revenue. (Though to be fair, they've been increasing R&D spending considerably the last couple years.)

      IBM ........ $82b revenue ... $5.2b R&D ... 6.3% of revenue
      Saumsung .. $196b revenue .. $14.1b R&D ... 7.2% of revenue
      Google ..... $66b revenue ... $9.8b R&D .. 14.8% of revenue
      Intel ...... $56b revenue .. $11.5b R&D .. 20.6% of revenue
      Qualcomm ... $25b revenue ... $3.7b R&D .. 14.6% of revenue
      Microsoft .. $87b revenue .. $11.4b R&D .. 13.1% of revenue
      Apple ..... $183b revenue ... $6.0b R&D ... 3.3% of revenue

    8. Re:Selling at a loss by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Except they're not. LG's mobile division posted a $389.4M loss last quarter (and another loss the quarter before), HTC has posted a loss every quarter for years ($64M last quarter), OnePlus hasn't published any financial info since 2014 and so I would suspect is taking a loss, Xiaomi's sales are in freefall causing the company to drop 92% in value, and Motorola Mobility is now owned by Lenovo after bouncing around from owner to owner and is still losing money.

      Of all the companies you mentioned, only Huawei is doing OK, and from a quick look through their latest annual report, they don't appear to break down their revenue to the level that you could say how much money their phones are making, and they don't break their expenses down by division at all.

      With Samsung taking a massive hit, I'd suggest that Huawei may be the only company other than Apple making profit from smartphone manufacture. Most of the other companies have seen their market shares drop to insignificant numbers,

  25. Re:Unlikely by flopsquad · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Nearly 9 Out of 10 Smartphones Shipped Run On Android"

    And only 3 out of 10 of them experience unwanted explosions!

    See that's trolling for a funny.

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  26. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well everyone matters, even working class people. I just wonder where all these Android users are? Nearly everyone I know owns an iPhone. I think we have only two people here with Android phones, and that includes the admin staff as well as the lawyers.

    I suppose, even at home, there's just a lot more poverty around than we care to admit. Of course most people in developing nations can't afford anything else.

  27. Re:Unlikely by dillee1 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You mean the other 7 are wanted?

  28. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    . Period.

    That's not how to use ellipses. Autocorrect can't fix everything.

    People that Matt EE r use ip ACH ones ... ?

  29. Simple math by jxander · · Score: 1

    There are a grand total of 10 smart phones that can run the latest iOS, or one previous version.

    On the Android side, LG, Samsung, Huawei, HTC and Motorola each have as many compatible devices or more. Significantly more in some cases.

    I can't find a comprehensive list of all the smart phones that are android compatible (mostly because the market is so fragmented on versions) but it seems very likely that Android has 10x as many platforms as iOS, if not more... so it seems reasonable that they'd have 10x the market share (give or take)

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    1. Re:Simple math by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes but of all those platforms, how many are turning a profit?

      The major $$$ is in app stores, media and advertisement. Of which Google is the sole overlord for Android, Apple for iOS and thus the only ones making $$$ hand over fist.

    2. Re:Simple math by Anonymous+Coward+912 · · Score: 1

      Now add up all of the 4 year old Android phones running the latest version of Android without being rooted. :)

    3. Re:Simple math by jxander · · Score: 1

      That's kinda the point, right?

      Apple can support 4 year old hardware because they only release one new device per year (with a few minor variations.)

      There are probably more new Android-capable phones released in a given month than all of the iPhones ever released since ever.

      So Android dominates the market using the old tried and true method: zerg rush. The new droid OS doesn't need to support old hardware cuz twe've got new hardware platforms flying out of every orifice.

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  30. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    well, the headline does say "Nearly 9 Out of 10 Smartphones Shipped Run On Android" .. what about a month after that?

  31. Re:Unlikely by Dutch+Gun · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Nearly everyone I know owns an iPhone.

    That's because you probably work in the US, amid middle class or higher folks income-wise. Just in the US alone, iPhones account for 40% of smartphones. By the time you factor in your income and job, it's likely a much higher percentage.

    And it's not just poor people that buy Android phones, of course. I bought a rather expensive HTC One (m7) Android phone as my first smart phone, and still enjoy using it. At the time, I didn't own any Apple products, and saw no reason to jump into their ecosystem. On the other hand, I already had a gmail account for my personal mail. I figured if nothing else, an Android phone was guaranteed to work well with that. Plus, of course, I figured I'd have a bit more control over my phone with Android. Of course, that was before I realized Verizon sent me a phone with apps that I couldn't uninstall. Doh. Well, at least I can still load unauthorized apps if I want to.

    My next phone may be an iPhone simply to round out my personal development platforms. Alternatively, it may be a Pixel, expensive as it is, simply because I'm sick of carriers pushing their shit that I don't want on my phone (unwanted apps), and NOT pushing the shit I actually DO want (security updates). I haven't quite decided yet.

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  32. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Potato chips make you fat! *Crunch* *Crunch* *Crunch*

  33. Most of them by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And most of them will stop receving support before being unboxed.

  34. uname -a by paai · · Score: 1

    Open a shell on any android and type 'uname' or 'uname -a'. That is: if you know what a shell is. My point being that both industry and press bend over backwards to avoid the L-word. I wonder why.

    In all honesty: the structure erected on top of it is a horror. From the beginning I never understood the enthousiasm for Java and the necessity to introduce it everywhere. Its strongest selling point was its invulnerability for malware, but once introduced this invulnerability was shortlived. And now this lumbering, vulnerable and slow language is the pivot on which the world turns.

    Paai

    1. Re:uname -a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >I never understood the enthousiasm for Java and the necessity to introduce it everywhere

      Android's Java isn't bad.

      If you are daring enough to use the new Jack toolchain (which sucks big time), you even get access to Java 8 features, e.g. the lambda functions that LISP had ~60 years ago. The future is now.

    2. Re:uname -a by Yosho · · Score: 1

      From the beginning I never understood the enthousiasm for Java and the necessity to introduce it everywhere. Its strongest selling point was its invulnerability for malware, but once introduced this invulnerability was shortlived. And now this lumbering, vulnerable and slow language is the pivot on which the world turns.

      It was never invulnerable to malware, but its sandboxed memory model did (and still does) make it resistant to many of the types of exploits found in low-level compiled languages. But that was never the strongest selling point; bigger ones are:
      - A huge standard library
      - An even larger set of well-supported, open source third party libraries
      - A strong object model with introspection and run-time reflection
      - Garbage collection
      - Great support for tooling and run-time analysis, which has lead to lots of fantastic IDEs, profilers, static analyzers, and other tools being readily available

      Greybeards on Slashdot like to call it "slow" because the last time they remember actively using Java was in an applet in a web page in 1998, but it's only slow compared to low-level compiled languages, and not even in every situation; depending on what you're using it for, there are situations where it's just as fast or even faster thanks to run-time optimizations. It's also still an order of magnitude faster than any of the popular interpreted or scripting languages. That aside, speed doesn't even matter that much when the majority of your CPU time is spent waiting for user input.

      That's why it's so popular. Does that help?

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    3. Re:uname -a by paai · · Score: 1

      I am one of your greybeards. In fact, my beard was already pretty grey when Java was introduced and then there were not that many huge, unwieldy libraries, or not many. If I remember correctly, the two selling points of Java were its supposed invulnerability and the fact that for some obscure reason it was touted as the ideal teaching language. So everybody changed their curriculum to Java and the rest is history.

      As I see it, applications that rely on user interaction will be served as well by one of the scripting languages and for number crunching the Lord gave us C, vi and make. We should not presume to improve upon His designs :-)

      Paai

    4. Re:uname -a by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With Android Runtime, the JAVA files are actually compiled at install time. The penalty for interpreted languages is pretty minimal at this point.

  35. Re:Unlikely by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    I see a lot of iPhones around and considered one myself but I bought a Samsung S5 Active at over 700 dollars new. I could have gotten an iPhone and did consider it as I own a Mac computer but.....no SD storage and no battery access killed it for me. I know that doesn't matter to most people but I like the ability to swap batteries instead of worrying about charging my phone. Now Samsung is getting in on the sealed phone fad and my wife wound up replacing her Note 3 with an LG. That's the best thing about Android. Any time one company sticks their head up their ass you can just move to another Android maker. When Apple shoves their head up their rectum you just get covered in shit if you want iOS.

  36. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by amiga3D · · Score: 1

    Unless you're using your phone for financial transactions security updates aren't all that critical. I use my phone for phone calls and reading books, you tube, surfing and listening to music. I don't use it to buy stuff because I don't trust it because I have absolutely no control whatsoever over the operating system. It has apps I can't get rid of and I get updates I don't want. I'm never going to trust that kind of system.

  37. Can we... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just start calling them phones now? I get it they are "smart" because they run apps, but it's just getting lame now.

  38. Microsoft Rubbing Hands In Glee by lobiusmoop · · Score: 1

    Still making a killing on Android patents from direct competitors without having to lift a finger, must be nice.

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  39. 2016: Year of the Linux Desktop by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 1

    Or not, but it doesn't matter, since the desktop really isn't as relevant as it used to be.

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  40. Just as a thought experiment... by OpenSourced · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Imagine what would have happened if it was the iPhone 7 battery the one exploding here and there. The hit that iOS would have taken would have been brutal. However, while Samsung suffers, Android doesn't even register the Note 7 debacle. Samsung could disappear tomorrow and other companies would take its sales in a blink. Evolution at work. That's because Android is a platform, not a company. In the end, platforms, specially if they are somewhat open, always trump companies.

    Some day Apple will make a bad mistake, like Samsung has done, and then its trademark will suffer. If the mistake is bad enough, they might never recover from it. If they don't make a big mistake, they might make lots of small ones, and also lose ground. If they don't make either a big or many small mistakes, then some innovative company with a better product will pop up somewhere and be the next cool thing. And the important thing is that this company will be forced to use Android because Apple does not license iOS.

    So in the end Apple always loses, because they use a closed environment and that means that they don't allow evolution to work. That fact has been obscured by the real genius that Apple has shown these past years in creating a whole new category of devices. That gives you a nice head start, of course, but it's finished now. Their market share is starting to reflect the realities of the dead hand of markethistory :-)

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    1. Re:Just as a thought experiment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple always loses unless you countthe only metric that matters in business....profit.

      In the only metric that matters to business.....Apple rules supreme. Maybe Andriod companies enjoy making no profit becuase thats whats going on. Samsung had made a little profit in Andriod phones but not after S7. It will be years and no more snafu's or else no Andriod maker will be profitable. You must be one of these idiots that thinks making no profit is good. Im a business owners (manufacturing) and profit is required to be around. Enjoy your world where nobodys making money.

      Typical idiot you are

    2. Re:Just as a thought experiment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wish I had modpoints, OpenSourced !!!

    3. Re:Just as a thought experiment... by yes-but-no · · Score: 1

      yeah, but AAPL has already amazed zillions and sitting on zillions in cash. Who said their (investors) objective is to create a product that stays top forever. it's all about money. And evolution? what is that when your objective is to amass wealth quicker.

      And to give credit to AAPL / jobs why not those open-source guys come up with some thing as cool as iphone when it got launched? android did copy cat of ios; know the only way to win is go open-source; while andriod is truly great humanity and all.. AAPL's objective was not to help humanity, but to bring in large profits to it's investors..and in that job it did spectacular.

  41. I should have done more research... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    before getting my first Apple phone. I cannot stand that everything has to go through itunes like some sort of bullshit filter and it has difficulty talking to other android phones internationally. Lesson learned and I'll be going back to andriod next year when my contract is up.

  42. Re: Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is using second rate garbage by a company that is perpetually playing catch-up considered "rich" now?

    Which Android feature will Apple pretend they invented next?

  43. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  44. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by AmiMoJo · · Score: 3, Informative

    If only it mattered, you would have a point.

    Seriously, my two year old OnePlus One is on Marshmallow, a version behind the latest Nougat, or two if you want to count the recent 7.1 update. It doesn't matter, I still get security updates, it still runs every app I throw at it. There are a few new features in Nougat but actually a lot of the important stuff is part of the Google Launcher so runs on my phone anyway.

    The phone is better than the day I bought it, secure and I'd rather it remains that way instead of getting updates that eventually cripple it or change functionality in annoying ways. If/when Nougat is available I'll evaluate it, but I'm not obsessed with being on the latest version and usually wait a month before installing updates for safety anyway.

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  45. Resistance is futile by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seven of Nine will tell you so...

  46. Re:Unlikely by maelkum · · Score: 1

    Who. Use "who" when referring to people, use "that" when referring to things.

  47. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How was this AC modded troll? Don't see anything trollish about his/her post.

  48. Duh... by p51d007 · · Score: 1

    Makes sense. I'm an android users, have been since 2010. iPhone makes ONE phone, per year. Android(s) make 5,304,504 phones per year from various manufacturers.

  49. What percentage of Android phones ... by QuietLagoon · · Score: 1

    ... receive regular Android updates from their OEMs?

    1. Re:What percentage of Android phones ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-Google phones? None. Google phones (Nexus, Pixel)? All, for a year or so, unless the carrier blocks them (which some do).

  50. OpenSource software works this way by fbobraga · · Score: 1

    with many manufactures involved, barely someone cam scream "monopoly!"

  51. Re:Unlikely by butzwonker · · Score: 1

    People that matter don't need a phone at all, their secretary takes calls for them.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  53. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of ol by mbeckman · · Score: 1
    Flagged me as a troll? Really? For expressing a reasonable opinion backed by facts?

    Slashdot, I hardly know ya.

  54. Re: Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make smartphones great again!

  55. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of ol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I still use a Note 2 from 2012, so there. All I had to replace was the battery once.

  56. Wait, what? by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    "And don't bother looking for BlackBerry and Microsoft Windows phones in the mix."

    Lol, there's a Windows phone?? I'm pretty sure that's just an urban myth.

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    1. Re:Wait, what? by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      "And don't bother looking for BlackBerry and Microsoft Windows phones in the mix."

      Lol, there's a Windows phone?? I'm pretty sure that's just an urban myth.

      Since I'd read and heard they existed, I have yet to see one.... for sale or in someone's hands.

  57. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of ol by mbeckman · · Score: 1
    People forget that even Apple didn't originally envision support for third-party iOS native apps. iOS 1.0 shipped with only the ability to create web snipets encapsulated as icons, giving the simulation of native apps without actually delivering the capability. Then saurik (Jay Freeman) released his Cydia store for apps on jail-broken iPhones on iOS 1.1, and Jobs realized he had made a mistake. The iTunes App Store followed with iOS 2.0, and apple cashed in on saurik's vision. The rest is history, and Cydia and jail breaking are healthy to this day, proving that many customers want the flexibility of openness that all Android users get automatically (but with the resulting security vulnerabilities).

    Ironically, it seems that Jobs' initial closed-mindedness led to an inherently more-secure application environment. Although people can install arbitrary apps after jailbreaking, most iOS users never take that step, leaving the bulk of active devices well protected.

  58. Re:Unlikely by JustAnotherOldGuy · · Score: 1

    Who. Use "who" when referring to people, use "that" when referring to things.

    From one enthusiast of the proper use of the English language to another, thank you.

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  59. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of ol by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

    Mostly true, but you're leaving out one thing: Apple didn't have any of the public APIs, developer tools, or documentation ready to go when iPhone OS 1.0 shipped. They had a hard release window due to the January MacWorld keynote, and being late would have been a disaster. A lot of those early Cydia apps were horrible, because the developers had to figure out *everything* on their own using tools for developing Mac software.

    Apple used the subsequent year between the original iPhone and the iPhone OS 2 in order to get ActiveSync working, as well as document public APIs and get the different tools ready in Xcode, including the device simulator. As well as figure out and implement the App Store infrastructure.

    For all we know, 3rd party apps were always in the timeline. Cydia may have accelerated that timeline, and I'm glad it did.

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  60. Re: Android is rapidly becoming the Windows of ol by mbeckman · · Score: 2
    You're misremembering. It's been proved to a certainty that Apple did not have third-party native apps on the iOS roadmap. Apple's own board reported lobbying for the capability but being repeatedly shut down by Jobs, who incorrectly thought web apps were all users would ever need.

    Cult of Mac is one of many industry pubs documenteing this history.

  61. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, my two year old OnePlus One is on Marshmallow, a version behind the latest Nougat, or two if you want to count the recent 7.1 update.

    This is my biggest problem with Android. It makes you sound like a fucking retard when discussing it. Seriously, look at that disaster of a sentence - around here, we know what that means, but in any other context it's total random gibberish because of HTC's horrible product naming, and Google's fetish for sweets names for their software combined with standard version numbering... sometimes.

  62. Re:And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If only it mattered, you would have a point.

    Seriously, my two year old OnePlus One is on Marshmallow, a version behind the latest Nougat, or two if you want to count the recent 7.1 update. It doesn't matter, I still get security updates, it still runs every app I throw at it. There are a few new features in Nougat but actually a lot of the important stuff is part of the Google Launcher so runs on my phone anyway.

    It generally matters because most people get their phones from telcos with firmware that does not receive updates.

    It's great that you can do this with your phone, but the proverbial Aunt Millie cannot. While if people get an iPhone (from apple.com/store or their telco) they get updates.

  63. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh look, another completely uninspired post by 110010001000.

    If you ever do get a clue, the embarrassment you experience from your own post history will be extreme.

  64. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should read this.

    This is wisdom presented as humor.

  65. profit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    widely known fact... the 1/10 of the remainder, mostly Apple, account for nearly 100% of the profit in this sector.

    android is a profit-free ecosystem. the vast majority of work being done on this ecosystem is being done for free or less.

    call me silly, but this is not a business model i studied when i got my MBA.

    might also note... nearly 100% of the security issues out there are android related. seems no one cares to update them, and those who do care, don't often get the chance. to get a new OS, you need a new phone. a new, profit free phone. that you can replace in a year or so when its OS is stale.

  66. Re:Unlikely by danomac · · Score: 2

    Where I work we are half and half. We've also had more people go from iOS->Android than the other way around.

    A former iOS user was astonished you could put in a memory card, plug the Android phone in to the computer, and just copy music to it.

  67. Purpose for Pixel... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > ... Google's new Pixel phone, which competes against the companies that made it popular in the first place ,,,

    As with Nexus (though executed somewhat poorly in those), Pixel is to shame the Others into doing what's right: decent product, and UPDATES. Most phones (below the very top of the line) don't ship with the latest version, and updates go through the carriers who don't provide support for more than 6 months or so. Other devices (like tablets) are often way below the current version, and are never updated at all. Which leaves them easy pickings for botnets.

    Google supports its phones directly (unless you buy through Verizon, of course) for at least a year. That's not enough, since with ordinary care the phone will work for 3-5 (or more, though after that you get carrier incompatibilities as systems evolve), but it's better than the carrier-locked phones. However, unless you're VERY hard on the hardware, nobody needs a new phone every year. So we really do need support on a more hardware- rather than marketing-driven life cycle.

  68. Re:Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well everyone matters, even working class people. I just wonder where all these Android users are? Nearly everyone I know owns an iPhone. I think we have only two people here with Android phones, and that includes the admin staff as well as the lawyers.

    I've noticed that as well.

    I own an android phone and I can't name another person in our household income quintile who uses android.

    But we live well below our means, and our lifestyle resembles that of the working poor - which, I've noticed, do have a fair amount of android phones.

  69. Re: And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Why are amiga computers so expensive still.

  70. That's so weird... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

    I'm NOT an iPhone fan; I prefer Android.

    Having said that, I find it odd to read things like this, when my daily work position involves walking around buildings of employees to work on workstation and server issues (that's just the start of it, but it gets the point across).

    When I traverse the areas of one of the buildings and see peoples' phones, I sort of come to a logically obvious conclusion. There are 4 employees with "current-ish" iPhones. There are 6 with old iPhones (two of the six have cracked displays). 3 employees have flip-phones with pay-as-you-go card plan thingy-whatever-you-call-thems. 4 Have newer-model Android phones, and 2 have older-model ones.

    Here's the catch: The areas the employees come from is a generally, um... how to word this.. not low-income areas, but people who don't know how to manage their money or have other issue that prevent them from having month-to-month stability areas.

    Second catch: The 3 new iPhone users, Management, and ordered to have them by the owner (owner is management). The 4 with newer-model Androids: developers, me, and a department manager. All of us don't fall into the 'unstable or low income' categories. The last 2 with older-model Androids are not unstable, but making ends meet.

    Just thought I'd throw that in. Not to mention that a phone being shipped doesn't mean that it's shipped to an owner or user. ;) Pre-holiday subliminal biasing is disgusting, but effective. Just a thought (because if I were a phone manufacturer, that's what I'd do). Gotta get those things out there to meet demand! Even though we don't know what the demand will be yet. iPhone = 1, Android = 100s of manufacturers.

    1. Re:That's so weird... by poofmeisterp · · Score: 1

      Damnit. "The 3 new iPhone users, Management, and ordered to have them by the owner (owner is management)" = "The 4 new iPhone users, Management, and ordered to have them by the owner (owner is management)". Mistype while mentally tallying.

  71. I guess I'm nuts then by filesiteguy · · Score: 1

    In spite of having a SGS 6 and having used S2, Note 2, Iphone 6s+, I bought a new HP Elite X3 Windows Mobile device.

    I'll have to check myself into the hospital.

  72. Re: And nearly 10 of 10 android phones are on old by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Are you KIDDING ME?? If I found out one of my employees was running an old version of either mobile operating system they would find me resetting their password and access until they updated or removed the accounts from the device. Sorry, but a lot of employees DO have access to data that the company doesn't want outside of its control, and employees often put their phones on the wifi at work.

  73. The sole reason that Android is popular.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. is due to the fact that most people aren't as educated as they should be when it comes to the security of their data. If they knew what a steaming pile of feces Android really is, they'd avoid it like the plague.

  74. Re:Unlikely by fluffernutter · · Score: 2

    What?? How does that work without an application??!? /sarcasm

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  75. Re:Unlikely by danomac · · Score: 1

    BYOD, we only use it for calendaring/email. They're personal devices, and I know when they switch as they have to request new devices be allowed access.

    Not work issued.

  76. Re: Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Smart phone have always been great. And always will be great.

    Smart Phones! Smart Phones!

  77. Re: Unlikely by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That person who Phones be not good grammar.

  78. Shipping = Not Yet Sold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Such click bait it is ridiculous... this is a statement about shipping devices, not SOLD devices.

  79. Re:Unlikely by michael_wojcik · · Score: 2

    And it's not just poor people that buy Android phones, of course. I bought a rather expensive HTC One (m7) Android phone as my first smart phone, and still enjoy using it.

    And it's not just expensive phones that relatively wealthy people buy. I could buy a new top-of-the-line phone every month, if I wanted to; but I buy cheap Android phones and keep them for a few years, because I don't see any benefit in the more-expensive models.

    My immediate family members and most of my friends have iPhones, but I find the damn things utterly intolerable. I won't say Apple has never made anything I liked - the Apple //e was pretty nice - but I cannot brook their "don't you worry your pretty little head how it works" design philosophy.

    And Android offers me an assortment of devices with features I do want, like SD card slots, removable batteries, physical SIMs, physical keyboards, root access and a shell... Yes, there's not a single feature there that a majority of smartphone users want, as far as I can tell. But I do, and I'm not interested in buying a Veblen good from a company that thinks choice is bad for its customers.

  80. Adblock by NewYork · · Score: 1

    Is it possible to integrate Adblock into Android?