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Man Who Named His Wi-Fi SSID 'Daesh 21' Prosecuted Under French Anti-Terror Law (arstechnica.com)
An 18-year-old man from Dijon was convicted for "praising terrorism" and was given a suspended sentence of three months in prison because the SSID of his Wi-Fi network was "Daesh 21." From an article on Ars Technica:Daesh is the Arabic acronym for Islamic State, and "21" in this context represents the number for the Cote d'Or, the French department, or province, where Dijon is located. The unnamed man was prosecuted under a new French anti-terrorism law (Article 421-2-5) passed in November 2014 that makes it a crime to "directly provoke acts of terrorism or to publicly praise one such act." If convicted, offenders can be punished by up to five years in prison and a $83,000 fine. Such penalties are raised to seven years and $111,000 if the crime was committed by using a "public online communication service." A local newspaper, Le Bien public, described the man as being "totally dazed" in front of the court and said that he was "not a terrorist." He was first sentenced to 100 hours of community service, which he refused, but he was finally given a three-month suspended sentence.
How is that sentence possible? Using "daesh" does not appraise IS at all. They hate that name.
When your own government acts like terrorists -- you know the terrorists have won.
The terrorists have very effectively smashed the US Constitution and removed a huge swathe of "freedoms" that were previously enjoyed by Western nations. They did not do this alone -- the governments of those nations were complicit with the terrorists' objectives by bending to the pressure.
As Midnight OIl said: I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Sadly, Western governments have opted to strip their peoples of the freedoms they're (allegedly) trying to protect, in promise of security.
Benajin Franklin quote goes here [....]
"Daesh" is a pejorative term for ISIS. Referring to it by that name is hardly "praise".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
It's sad to see continual erosion of civil liberties in Europe. Whether Germany with removal of Nazi affiliation or France with biased enforcement of "religious" symbols, it's been the classic example of a slippery slope, and it's mass democracy at its worst.
For naming their daughter Isis ?
Yep, and it's not new either: for decades, France has had laws curtailing free speech when it comes to the jews. For example, if you say "jews smell of elderberries" publicly, you can be prosecuted and end up in the slammer.
Me, I have nothing against jews. But I find it outrageous - not to mention counterproductive - that you can't say anything remotely critical of them. At least in the US, where any old antisemite can say whatever the hell they want in public provided they don't call for violence, and often do so vocally, their very act of exercising their right makes them look like massive idiots who get to be kept under surveillance. In France, they stay under the radar and make converts. But hang around long enough in any bar in France and you'll quickly realize many, many of them are jew haters.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
"He was first sentenced to 100 hours of community service, which he refused..." How does that work?
Judge: I sentence you to community service.
Defendant: No thanks.
Judge: Is a suspended sentence OK?
Defendant: Meh,.. I guess.
That wiki is mega long. You want us to read it ? It isnt pejorstive per see as it is either is acronym or a shortening. And some (stupid) french youth have been using it as oraise form. That said either the court over reacted or , as usual, the aritcle is omiting some serious side which led to the judgment. Would not be the first time.
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all."
-- H. L. Mencken
When I setup my sister in law's access point in a small apartment building and I was explaining why she should use a password, we ended up naming her SSID "Fuck off, freeloaders".
I named mine "Shocking Porn", which was all well and good until I ended up with my wife and six other women seated around the dining room table planning an event for the elementary school and one of them wanted wifi....
People assume that, because of France's exported image of liberty/equality/fraternity, it must be a bastion of freedom. It isn't. It's one of the most restrictive states in the Western world. Remember this is the country where women were recently fined for not exposing enough of their skin on beaches, because it's "un-French" to cover up.
If you wonder why there are so many acts of terrorism in France, it's because - unlike most of the West, which just leaves peaceful Muslims alone to do whatever - there is an on-going internal cultural war between things that are considered French and non-French, and that war isn't just of words but enforced by laws. For example, everyone marched under the ostensible freedom-of-speech banner of je suis Charlie, but this is the same publication that was being regularly attacked in the courts by the government when poked fun at some aspect of Judaism.
tl;dr do NOT trust France. They do not bring the same values to the table as the US, the UK, Ireland, post-Franco Spain, the Low Countries, Scandinavia, Finland, or even post-Nazi Germany. They have been the model so far of severe, irrelevant restrictions of rights with the excuse of "terror!" - nothing like the US, which while imposing temporary bullshit that undoubtedly curb the principles enshrined in the Constitution, still has a massive public voice in opposition, and has not crept in scope anywhere like in France. The best thing we can do is NOT follow them.
He refused the deal went before a tribunal and got a harsher sentence. That alone tells me there is a whole unsaid part, or the tribunal judge are idiot. I tend to think unsaid part, as very usually important details are left out. But hey it is the french, so let us bash happily, and show how unürejudicied we all are ....
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
It is an acronym, and it is near other word pronunciation, daes for example, that is why they dislike it. But it is not per see pejorative and some youth have been praising it and using it even tagging it on wall (see north banlieu la courneuve, saint denis, even heard a rap on it)..
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
I like my guest network name:
DHS Monitoring Van
Design for Use, not Construction!
Benajin Franklin quote goes here [....]
Yes, we need to remember those quotes by Benajin Franklin and those other famous founding fathers like
Tosam Jefferson
Groeg Washington
Alexnader Hamilton
Jasm Madison
Samle Adams
and others.
At least you have égalité and fraternité left.
My UID is prime!
I looked it up. Daesh is abbreviated, but not the Arabic version of ISIS - GP is right. The group calls itself ad-Dawlah al-Islmiyah ( ), which one can easily guess translates to 'Islamic State'. Before 2014, when their ambitions were more local, they were called ad-Dawlah al-Islmiyah f 'l-Irq wa-sh-Shm ( ) - which translates into either Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant
I prefer just calling them 'Islamic State', given that various Islamic groups worldwide - from Philippines to Nigeria - have declared themselves their affiliates, and that it's now present in over 30 countries. People are welcome to claim that they are not Islamic, but that's something every Muslim group/sect says about others.
Daesh is actually an insult to the Islamic state people. It's anti-terrorist not pro-terrorist.
https://www.freewordcentre.com...
A pub I frequent has a community above or in a neighbour house where the SSID of the WLAN is "Terrornetzwerk".
Cost free eBook I read (by iBook/Kobo/Amazon/ObookO/Gutenberg etc.): "The Green Odyssey" by Philip Jose Farmer.
Daesh 1-20 were already taken. What are we talking about again?
... and if you RTFA you would see he was offered 100 hrs community service, but he declined. So he had a soft exit and passed on it. Dijon had back to back IS terrorist attack in 2014 with people run down in the street and knifed. No way they are going have a sense of humor about his cute WIFI name; Kid deserved what he got..
sigs are for losers (except to point out that sigs are for losers)
Perpetually offended and afraid.
Does that mean I should rename my wifi SSID from "Homeland Monitoring Station 325" to something more innocuous?
(Seriously, that's what it's named, so if you see it you're in my neighborhood!)
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
I trust it's still OK to refer to present day France as "Vichy 2.0" and to refer to its current leader by the honorary title of "Marshal Putain"?
Europe generally outlaws speech that upsets people and might provoke violence. So, you can get prosecuted for praising a radical organization, but you can also get prosecuted for insulting a radical organization, on the theory that you might be provoking violence.
The French. Who can understand their bureaucratic lunacy? Just eat a snail and move on.
A migration of liberty minded activists has been moving for the purpose of achieving a disproportional impact on politics at the state level and has been having some success.
Or, in plain English, Let's go someplace where we outnumber the locals, then take over and run things to suit ourselves, and the hell with them and how they feel about it.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
That worked out real well for them in Algeria, n'est-ce pas?
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
They just don't like it because it is *near* other words, look it up. It is an important precision. And france is not under daesh control and a lot of very young idiot are using it.
C. Sagan : A demon haunted world:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345409469/
visit randi.org
You're just making it worse on yourself.
If having an Arabic word as an SSID for your wifi becomes grounds for arrest, France has really lost its way.
What's next? Procecuting the creators of Joan of Arcardia for using "One of us" by Joan Osborne, or even more silly, Joan Osborne herself? The song contains the phrase "god is great"... Of course, the first case would be doubly ironic, because of the reference to the 100 years' war.
And on the Eighth Day, Man created God.
TFA doesn't disclose the name of the innocent 18-years old man. So let me guess - Mohammad?
Daesh is actually an insult to the Islamic state people. It's anti-terrorist not pro-terrorist.
https://www.freewordcentre.com...
The fact is that in all french media, the IS is named Daesh (before reading this new, I wasn't aware of the meaning of the word).
"21" in this context represents the number for the Cote d'Or, the French department, or province, where Dijon is located.
I am not sure how obvious that definition of what 21 might mean in France given circumstances, however when I read it the first thing I thought of was:
"Forever 21" which I thought might just be poking fun at IS...
http://www.forever21.com/ca/de...