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Russia Says it Was in Touch With Trump Campaign During Election (cnbc.com)
An anonymous reader shares a CNBC report: The Russian government was in touch with members of President-elect Donald Trump's campaign staff during the U.S. election campaign, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergei Ryabkov told the Interfax news agency on Thursday. "There were contacts," Interfax cited Ryabkov as saying. He did not give details. When asked whether these contacts would now intensify after Trump's election victory, Ryabkov said: "These working moments and follow-up on this or that matter will depend on the situation and the questions which face us. But we will of course continue this work after the elections." Defeated Democratic presidential contender Hillary Clinton accused Trump of being a "puppet" of President Vladimir Putin during the campaign, and U.S. officials said Russia had hacked into Democratic party emails, something Moscow denied. Trump has said he might meet Putin before his inauguration, but Putin's spokesman has said there are currently no plans for such a meeting.
Not a puppet. You're the puppet. You're the puppet.
who did not see that coming ?
Just look at what China did with Clinton:
http://www.scmp.com/news/china...
But it's only "evil" when Trump is involved in something.
Oh, and dealing with other countries diplomatically instead of militarily is now equivalent to Nazism or something all of the sudden. Which is why everybody thought Obama was a Nazi when he was elected... right?
AntiFA: An abbreviation for Anti First Amendment.
This is what happens when close to 50% of eligible voters don't bother to go to the polls.
Might not be. Might not mean anything even if it is true; just sending a couple of unsolicited emails could be "in touch." Russia is going to see an advantage in sowing doubt about Trump regardless of the truth.
Trump was in touch with Mexican President Enrique Peña Nieto. I saw it on television!
Here's what they really had to say:
Big deal.
How many times does someone have to lie?
If I came into your living room and lied to you multiple times, would you trust me? Why are you even listening to the MSM outlets at this point??? They are paid liars.
Too late. I'm already there. And in Murica we call it a "basement" you damn foreigner!
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just as bush was. and clinton (B). and bush (sr).
Moles are bad enough, but when they're Russian, they're drinking vodka while they tunnel and they are all over the place!
Then they pop out of their tunnels, puke all over the lawn, sing really loud and off key, and back into the tunnel zigging and zagging making a huge mess!
At least the Mexican moles keep it to just the holidays - although their music can be obnoxious!
I hope we up deportations. I think we could use spare space on container ships after we unload the shit from China, fill it up with foreigners and whiny protesters, ship em out. If they get mouthy when feeding - throw em overboard.
This is what happens when close to 50% of eligible voters don't bother to go to the polls.
We get a leader who tries to calm and reassure a potential dangerous adversary?
This partisanship is blinding you to reality. Clinton and Obama were steadily ratcheting up the fear and blame on Russia. They were building moral cover to justify a prolonged campaign of sanctions and possibly war.
It got so bad that Julian Assange publicly stated that Russia was *not* the source of the Podesta E-mails. He *never* gives out information about his sources, that he would do this indicates that he felt there was some danger.
This was all happening over the past two months, and you can't remember it?
Contacting Russia and saying "relax, if I get elected we can work out our problems through diplomacy" is a good thing.
Sure. Because Kremlin says so... Except, they don't even claim that... It is all a product of hypotheses, suggestions, and unsubstantiated — usually anonymous — claims.
Meanwhile, a few facts about Clinton's recent past:
The only thing, that can be done to address the above accusations by your kind is down-modding them — facts are stubborn. So, apply some Vaseline, charge your Prius and head for Canada as you promised.
The Beautiful Wickedness finally had some water splashed on her, and us, the deplorable munchkins, are rejoicing.
In Soviet Washington the swamp drains you.
There is nothing quite as satisfying as watching a political "enthusiast", seething with hatred, throw his tantrum after losing. The more self-righteous they are, the more they deserve to be angry. (And I didn't even vote for Trump.)
Look on the bright side. In another 4 years your team might take the championship, and I'll be posting this same message about your enemies, just like I did 8 years ago. (And I didn't even vote for Obama.)
So selling out to Russia is bad, but selling out to Goldman Sachs is tolerable.
Got it. Thanks.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
No, he is Muslim born in Africa. Read it on the Internet.
My team? I wouldn't vote for any Clinton, no matter who else was running.
No, he's just going to give Russia free reign to do all the empire-building they like, whilst significantly weakening NATO and the wests' security. Of course, he won't understand that he's doing any of that, just like how he doesn't understand frozen foods.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Since GP only used 10 unique characters, I'd say 127 is more than enough.
Chuuch. Preach. Tabernacle.
just like I did 8 years ago. (And I didn't even vote for Obama.)
So why not 4 years ago? I'm pretty sure I remember people being as vocally upset over Obama's 2nd term as they were for the first.
Also, you never seem to vote for the winner, so if you are eligible and do vote, don't you ever feel disenfranchised?
But he buys his wives there.
It ain't a Troll if it's true. I smell fish, three days in the sun.
“Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil" - Thomas Mann
Don't like Goldman Sachs? Then by all means don't this second go and google who's the leading contender for Trump's treasury secretary.
What, did you actually convince yourself that the billionaire who literally plates everything around him in gold was a "man of the people"? If so:
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It's times like this I wish I had a friend named 'The Professor'.
While Hillary was Secretary of State, she signed off on the sell of part of United States Uranium supply to the Russians leading to financial benefits for the Clintons and their close friends -- like Podesta. That's just the gist. Look for yourself. Look into "Uranium One." The information is public knowledge and was a determent to the US's national security unlike these silly articles spreading Clinton's McCarthyism.
This whole Russian Meme is just silly and needs to be put back in its dusty cold-war shoe box.
47% if the voters. not 47% of the population.
127 million people voted.
The US population is estimated at 324,227,000 in 2016
47% of the voters is 59.6 million people.
47% of the population of the US is 152.3 million people. That's more people than voted in total!
So really, the election told us that 18% of the people next to us in the checkout line are likely to be Trump voters. Some of them aren't even of voting age, so you know they didn't participate in the dumbing down of the presidency (even past the Bush years... it's astonishing, really. The tyranny of the Gaussian come home to roost. Democracy at work: any two idiots outvote a genius. In an environment where geniuses are rare.)
Just saying. :)
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Mr Obama says: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defence, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."
Mr Medvedev replies: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you "
Mr Obama retorts: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
And Mr Medvedev finishes: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir [Putin]."
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04...
Stopping the new cold war, giving up the pointless protests over the crimea, letting Russia risk their lives in Syria -- it's all good. Constructive ties with Russia is just about the only potential positive I can see in Trump's presidency, if I can buy that it'll last.
Unfortunately, what I fear is that that the buddy-buddy relationship with Putin will not last long. At some point, two macho buffoons with egos that large are going to clash over something and want to fight. It can turn very quickly and very disastrously. Probably Iran will be the sticking point -- Trump talks tough on Iran, hates the nuclear deal and want to antagonize them. But Iran is an important Russian ally and Russia is the country being paid to do much of the nuclear work in Iran.
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No, he should be okay. He isn't a judge of Mexican ancestry, so I'm sure we can trust him.
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
But he wears a trucker hat with "Make America Great Again!". I'm confused. Am I going to get a jerb and move into a new double-wide trailer or not?
So selling out to Russia is bad, but selling out to Goldman Sachs is tolerable.
Got it. Thanks.
Yeah, who was Bush's Secretary of Treasury again? Oh yeah, that former CEO of G&S, that also, just coincidentally, sent billions to G&S profits during his tenure.
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
A mole you say? That may be. On the other hand, we had outright buying of the other candidate to the tune of $100+ million dollars. I guess you'd prefer an out-and-out bought President, rather than one whom had significantly less contact with Russia than the bought one, and who has zero documented ties to Russia... Take the guaranteed, documented criminal rather than the one who you think might have done something wrong?
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Hey now, don't sell Hillary short! She also sold out to the Russians for $100 million, so she's already proven she's for sale to the Russians AND to Goldman Sachs!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
Judging from what they look like (as well as the looks of the offspring), he gets a great return on his purchase!
Browsing at +1 - no ACs, I ignore their posts. So refreshing!
And in Murica we call it a "basement" you damn foreigner!
It is a regionalism. In the American Northeast, it is common to use "cellar". My mom is from upstate NY, and she says "cellar". I now live in California, and no one here calls it that.
It's voter turn out that ruled the day. Why didn't the Democrats vote?
Dude, you are udderly ridiculous. Seriously. Don't you feel like you have a steak in this coversation? It be hooves you to take a more serious approach to the forum, no matter what you've herd elsewhere. It's time to stop milking this for all it's worth and get with the program, before the mods decide to put you out to pasture, see?
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
Instead of jumping to conspiracy, how about Russia reaching out to say that they were not involved in the hacks? Considering the amount of venom Hillary was sending to Russia, the threats of war by Joe Biden, indirect action by Clinton claiming she would establish no-fly zones over Syria, perhaps Russia was simply saying "Hey, we didn't do that and are keeping our distance."
There is certainly a different position to be had by a candidates spouse taking hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign interests, which Trump was accused of but Bill Clinton actually did.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Why is this ironic? Is it ironic in the Alanis sense, like rain on your wedding day? (only ironic if you're a meteorologist)
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
Wikileaks is now part of the US power structure. This is getting interesting.
You are welcome on my lawn.
It's unignoreable, the Democrats didn't vote. What's really interesting is the voter turn out for Trump.
When one lays down with a dog, one can expect to get up with fleas.
Congrats idiots in the Democratic party. Trump's election is your fault: you put up a corrupt, dishonest, incompetent loser as a presidential candidate. Don't complain that voters turned away in disgust.
IN fact we are building a giant igloo over all Canada.....also we've let loose our two secret weapons , along the border, giant 50 foot polar bears that like the taste of bullshit thus they will love all you Americans , and last but not least the uber weapon the giant beavers with teeth ten feet tall to knaw at any remaining bullshit they find....
YUP STAY AWAY BE SCARED ITS NOT SAFE FOR YOU HERE
signed
canada
p.s. solve your own crap before coming here
So selling out to Russia is bad
I didn't vote for Trump, but his Russia policy is one of the GOOD things about him. There is no reason for America and Russia to be enemies. The people of Crimea and Donbas speak Russian and overwhelmingly support unification with Russia. In Syria, Russia is supporting the guy in favor of religious tolerance and opposed to political Islam. The current adversarial relationship is mostly America's fault. We expanded NATO to Russia's doorstep, and are now rotating troops through the Baltic countries. How would America like it if Russian troops were in New Brunswick?
America's annual military spending is $600B. That is high for a country with no actual enemies, so we have to create enemies to justify the spending. Trump, of course, wants to spend even more on weapons, but he will likely justify it by making China the scary boogeyman instead of Russia.
The truth that nearly half (currently 47%) of the population of the United States are deep down a mix, of racist, sexist, hate-filled scumbags and uneducated morons too ignorant to see Trump for what he is.
Do you KNOW anyone who voted for Trump ? Have you talked to any of them ? Chances are, they're a lot like me. Yes, I voted for Trump. I had the choice between a double-decker shit sandwich, and a regular shit sandwich. I chose less shit.
But either way, I knew I was getting a shit sandwich. . .
I'm just gonna pull up a lawn chair, enjoy some nice fresh popcorn and watch. These are historic times, and fortunately, I'm fairly old, had a good life, and don't care if I die. Bring it on, Entertain me!
The shepherds did so well protecting the flock that the sheep no longer believed that wolves existed.
Trump is a businessman, unlike you, unaccomplished nothingness chewing on a piece of joint and having no clue where to start fixing economy, except complain when others try
> But either way, I knew I was getting a shit sandwich. . .
Everyone did. Canada offers its condolences.
FYI we have five parties with members in the house and an independent. Over the last 25 years I've voted for 4 of them. Having a *real* selection results in a whole less nose-holding when you go to the poles.
Which makes the whole Gary Johnson debacle a nice scoop of shit on top of that sandwich. Ugh, my condolences, again.
To wit: Do you sit on a chesterfield, or smoke one?
And he got DAILY classified security briefings! And he talked to LOTS of foreign leaders!
Oh, wait, so did Clinton. Because they were both finalists for the most powerful job in the world, and both needed to be prepared by existing US and foreign administrations for a smooth transition to power.
Nevermind.
Put my fist through my alarm clock with its ding-dong death inside my ear. - The Blackjacks.
Oh look, an angry unemployed white male who supports Trump. How original. Guess what? You will still be unemployed under Trump. It isn't the Presidents fault you are unemployed.
While Donald I of America still can't do nothing. No matter if he eventually lets himself be provoked easily and reacts accordingly or if he ignores foreign policy - Putin wins either way. Talking about the desired candidate... But this was obvious all along, so I guess the US voters knew what they were doing. Let's make Russia great again.
Um, do you not understand just about everything Trump did was equally staged? He knows how Television works.
Yes, exactly precisely this. The man has been in front of a TV camera for decades. He's a reality TV star. He knows how to make a false drama engaging. He's very good at it. It doesn't matter if anything he said was true or not, it was entertaining! Who cares if they don't do abortions in the 9th month? Who cares if we've only found about a few dozen actual cases of voter fraud? Play it up! Make it dramatic and absolutely nobody will care.
America, you just elected this guy.
Weaselmancer
rediculous.
Spend less time worrying about who you vote for and your skin color and write a better resume.
I had considered voting for the Libertarians at the top. A pity none were nominated.
I did write in the Libertarian candidate for Congress in my district: I had a choice between the Stepford Congresswoman, hand-selected by the prior Congressman-for-Life, and the Real-Estate Mogul AND Ex-Democratic Congressman's wife who rented an apartment in my district so she could claim residency for the run. Despite retaining her regular house in the next district over, AND a luxury condo in DC.
Both were just entirely too much shit to swallow, so I voted Libertarian for Congress. Actually, I'd been doing so for years already, considering the former Congressman-for-Life. . .
We could fund UBI with it!
Laws are rules for the court, but merely a bottom bar to hit for life. Think beyond laws in your actions always.
She asked why we can't just launch a drone strike on a foreign embassy in London. Even if that's a joke (which would be contingent upon proof she has a real sense of humor), that is a gaffe that would have Biden muttering "seriously, not cool."
Nobody should be surprised that Putin reached out to Trump, Putin has put out an international arrest warrant on George Soros, and Clinton was basically a Soros sock-puppet.
Russia has a huge financial interest in the sale of natural gas to European nations, it undoubtedly a matter of great national security, bordering on an existential matter for them. the Qatarris want to build a natural gas pipeline the
Qatar-Turkey pipeline through Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria, which Syria's president al-Assad opposed "to protect the interests of [its] Russian ally, which is Europe's top supplier of natural gas." Which brings us back around to al-Assad, to get him out of the way to install the Qatar-Turkey pipeline, you need the Muslim Brotherhood of Syria to over throw him. Clinton is up to her eyeballs in Muslim Brotherhood through her longtime assistant and Chief of Staff, Huma Abedin.
Under Clinton-Obama we've ended up in a all-but shooting war with Russia in Syria, and Candidate Clinton has been pretty shrill about accusing Russia of undermining her campaign, I'm surprised that Putin hasn't been more blatant about things.
Apocalypse Cancelled, Sorry, No Ticket Refunds
"Russia Says it Was in Touch With Trump Campaign During Election"
Here's my shocked face.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
Yep and I expect the Brits, French, Spanish, Italians and Germans were in communication with Trump too. Oh noes!!! The redcoats are coming!!!
This ridiculous paranoia from the left wing media sources who are nothing more than sore loosers throwing a temper tantrum and trying to incite a backlash has to be seen for exactly what it is.
Trump is a businessman, unlike you, unaccomplished nothingness chewing on a piece of joint
Trump's steps to business success:
1. Be born really rich.
2. ???
3. Profit
As "A" European, I think hes a way better choice. Hes not bought and paid for like Hilllary and talked about electoral reform long before this election, also unlike Hillary.
You don't know that, he could be a coal miner...
Might I point out that Romney wasn't running.. .
NATO has been at Russia's doorstep since the end of the Cold War, it's entire purpose is to help the countries bordering Russia fend off attack/invasion from Russia. Besides, didn't HRC reset/over-whelm Russian relations? I hear her staff "worked really hard on it."
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this is true...Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort had to quit because of ties with Russian Mobsters: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/19/...
Idiots are to blame for Trump's victory...all kinds of idiots across the political spectrum contributed along the way, starting with idiot Democrats who voted for Hillary over Bernie....up to the idiot Republicans for being Republican...and of course let's not forget the idiot journalists of the MSM
Idiots are to blame
Thank you Dave Raggett
Oh bigger off. Post with a name if you want to be heard with any real consideration.
On the Oregon Cost born and raised, On the beach is where I spent most of my days
You know, it's quite a coincidence that these attacks only occur during Presidential elections and only when Democrats are having a hard time 'motivating' black voters tiger to the polls and vote...
Except that burning down African-American churches is not something that only occurs during presidential elections. In fact, it happens all the time. We just notice it more during elections.
Here, for example are some stories from early 2015: http://www.theatlantic.com/nat...
and https://www.washingtonpost.com...
and https://www.washingtonpost.com...
and https://www.splcenter.org/hate...
It's not a question of how I behave; I do not advocate us invading anyone. I think we were absolutely wrong in almost every war we ever got involved in during this century (Japan's attack on us excepted), and I think other countries are wrong when they invade others as well. But I am not their mommy. It is not my responsibility, nor our country's, to shore up a shitty house someone else has built. Every country has a responsibility to erect a sustainable construct for the benefit of its own people and to behave in a way that won't aggravate the shit out of others. If they can't, they literally have no business at all complaining if and when it falls down around their heads. Just as a person who builds a fireplace out of twigs has no business complaining when the thing burns down as soon as he lights a match in it.
Countries exist for a reason -- and it isn't an imaginary one. It's to create sovereignty, and that in turn is there to secure and protect social and fungible treasure as seen by the citizens. There's no other reason to do it. You would be stupid to jump on an island here in the US, claim it was a sovereign country, and expect to be left alone (and you would not be.) This is 100% because you attempted to set up shop without the means to actually set up shop. Now, you have a fleet of nuclear armed submarines no one knows where is and you do this, and viola, you have a country. See? If you can defend it, it's serious. If you can't, it's bullshit.
If some other country attacks us, I advocate wiping them off the face of the earth. Otherwise, they can do whatever they want. This has three immediate consequences: One, we're not aggravating anyone else, so their urge to mess with us based on resentment is minimized. Two, deciding to mess with us is a very, very serious decision, one that will almost certainly result in their being wiped out of existence. Three, other countries would no longer worry about is screwing with them, because they'd know that if they don't screw with us first, it isn't going to happen.
What I'm talking about is what our duty is when some entity on the other side of the planet misbehaves. Our laws and our society end right at our national border. If you claim otherwise, you're very, very confused. The only thing that we can exert beyond our borders is coercion and force. Because, and this is the money right here, no one else is subject to our laws.
Until nations are no longer a thing (and yes, I think that's a good idea), either nations are fully capable of protecting their own, either directly or by employing hired force, or not. If not, that's not our fault or responsibility. I am, by the way, perfectly willing that our force be hired out, as long as all its members are volunteers and we earn treasure instead of losing it.
Treaties are generally a really, really bad idea. Just to get that out of the way. I wish we didn't have any.
You know.... here we are, with congress, the executive, and the judiciary roundly ignoring the constitution. Make no law, they make laws. Shall not infringe, they infringe like there's no tomorrow. Intrastate commerce regulated by abusing power authorized only for interstate commerce. Ex post facto laws abound. Search and seizure without warrant or probable cause or oath or affirmation or really anything is regular entertainment for the cops, as is shooting black people for the crime of "living while black." The government has tortured, it holds people without judicial process, it snoops on people's lives in an incredibly invasive and anti-liberty manner, and 1984's the people into thinking this must be a good idea when it definitely is not. The electoral college routinely disenfranchises citizens of their votes. Our politicians lie like rugs both in pursuit of office, and while in it. The USA acts, internally, like a bunch of assholes and is
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
He's probably going to appoint Steven Mnuchin, a Goldman Sachs alumni, as the Treasury Secretary. Feel betrayed yet? You should.
This is where everyone finds out that their "anti-establishment" candidate is actually not. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
http://www.politico.com/story/...
Doesn't apply. Here's what you mean to be saying:
"First they came for the gays, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a gay.
Then they came for the drug users, and I did not speak out -
Because I was not a drug user.
Then they came for the polygamists, and I did not speak out-
Because I was not a polygamist.
Then they came for me - and there was no one left to speak for me."
You know why that's relevant, and your use isn't?
Because in my version, we all live within the same society (also true of Germany at the time Niemöller wrote that.) The concern is that the authorities we allow to run our show are getting out of hand, and, we are responsible for them -- they are us, in the very most basic sense. In your version, your basic assumption is that everyone in the world lives under the same set of social rules, a common social contract, and a binding one at that. But we don't. Saudi Arabia is not the US (thank goodness) and the US is not Saudi Arabia. They want to behead criminals and treat women like possessions, it's not our responsibility to interfere. That's something in their own social matrix. Likewise, we want to maintain the world's largest gulag composed of drug users, it's not Saudi Arabia's job to interfere.
Nations exist for a reason. If you advocate that ignoring a nation's borders and exerting force on them is valid "because reasons", then you'd best be prepared when some other nation decides we've been fucking up our situation just a little too much, and steps in here to fix our unconstitutional, out-of-hand government. All I expect to hear from you then is "Thank you sir, yes sir, right away sir, here are my papers, please may I have a ration card?"
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
I mean, if we're calling people skilled (and holding degree's) in tech 'coal miners' there's something definitely odd going on here.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
6% is what is paid out in external grants, the Clinton Foundation does most of its work via internal staff.
http://www.factcheck.org/2015/06/where-does-clinton-foundation-money-go/
"Considering all of the organizations affiliated with the Clinton Foundation, he said, CharityWatch concluded about 89 percent of its budget is spent on programs. That’s the amount it spent on charity in 2013, he said.
We looked at the consolidated financial statements (see page 4) and calculated that in 2013, 88.3 percent of spending was designated as going toward program services — $196.6 million out of $222.6 million in reported expenses.
We can’t vouch for the effectiveness of the programming expenses listed in the report, but it is clear that the claim that the Clinton Foundation only steers 6 percent of its donations to charity is wrong, and amounts to a misunderstanding of how public charities work.
— Robert Farley"
NATO has been at Russia's doorstep since the end of the Cold War
Nope. The Cold War ended in 1991. The Baltic states did not join NATO until 2004. Even Poland, which borders the Kaliningrad Enclave, did not join until 1999.
Enlargement of NATO.
Since Trump rhetoric has been to bring down the status quo of the whole establishment maybe they were discussing the full pardon of Edward Snowden and Julian Assange.
maybe Trump is planning to give back to the people what the estabishment took from them. Their privacy.
or maybe they were discussing how Trump can setup a private server for all his classified and 'special interest' emails and was asking the russians on how best to protect against russian attacks :) :) I mean there is NOTHING WRONG with having highest level classified information on a apache server witha MySQL database run on a Pentium I processor :) and a router with WEP security (because its da strongest..the russians told me so :) )
Its not like anyone has ever gone to jail for leaking highly classified information on purpose or neglecting to protect that information. Right? :) :)
The Red Cross also spends a large fraction of their income on "payroll and benefits", because most of the cost of charity work is paying the actual people doing the charity work. Look at Charity Navigator for the Red Cross vs. the Clinton Foundation--the breakdown of expenses is very similar and they both receive the same [highest] rating for a charity organization. They both spend about 90% of the money they take in on direct charity expenditures (programs)--that's how these things are rated and have always been rated.
The 6% thing has been *thoroughly* debunked. It was yet another manufactured conspiracy theory (remember when Obama was a Kenyan Muslim?) that served its purpose of firing up the mouth-breathers and then died a quiet death with a small print retraction on page 43 of the zeitgeist.
Hit the nail on the head there.
To be honest I don't really care who you voted for -- as long as you're angry. Enjoy!
Some people just want to watch the world burn!
Trump IS one of the monied interests. Essentially the fox was just given keys to the henhouse, no need to buy off the guards...
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
Trump reciever $0 corporate donations my liberal fucktards
BULLSHIT. That was the story early in the primaries, but after he actually gained traction there, his funding model became very traditional.
There is no reason for America and Russia to be enemies. The people of Crimea and Donbas speak Russian and overwhelmingly support unification with Russia
There are some areas in the Southwestern US where Spanish is a dominant language, and many, many of the actual US citizens had Mexican ancestors before the area used to be a part of Mexico. So Mexico would be totally justified in invading the Southwest and taking back their traditional land that is ethnically Mexican because maybe, just maybe, Hispanics feel they're threatened under a Trump administration? We totally should be friends with Mexico after that.
The people of Crimea and Donbas speak Russian and overwhelmingly support unification with Russia
In the Crimean election there was a 30% turnout, and of that, the choice to annex was 50/50. And that was when the area was under armed Russian occupation. Not exactly 'overwhelming' support, and any election run by an occupying force should be pretty suspect.
In Syria, Russia is supporting the guy in favor of religious tolerance and opposed to political Islam
But, you know, he's also guilty of genocide. But aside from that, Assad is a totally stand-up guy!
We expanded NATO to Russia's doorstep
We forced former USSR and Eastern European territories into NATO? How did NATO manage to do that? Or, perhaps those countries were looking for protection, so they sought NATO entrance. I wonder why, after seeing Russia's invasion of Georgia and Ukraine, former soviet territories or satellite states might feel the need to ally themselves with someone else.
How would America like it if Russian troops were in New Brunswick?
I'd be fine with that, though I suspect the Canadians would have something to say about it.
In the Crimean election there was a 30% turnout, and of that, the choice to annex was 50/50.
Total hogwash. The turnout was 81% and the vote was over 96% in favor.
In the Crimean election there was a 30% turnout, and of that, the choice to annex was 50/50.
Total hogwash. The turnout was 81% and the vote was over 96% in favor.
Yes, those were the public numbers that the Russian Occupation released. No observers were allowed to be present to monitor.
The website of the President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights accidentally released, then took down an analysis that contradicted the official Kremlin report.
You are doubly a fool if you think that a hostile armed invading force leads to a fair election where voters feel they can turn out and vote as they feel. It does feed into the Kremlin rewriting of history that Crimeans were Russians who wanted to break off and join Russia again.
Thanks for the condolences. For some good news, I just found out one state did something 11/8 that was not head-up-the-ass-murica stupid: http://www.slate.com/articles/...
Your cry for help, like a failed suicide, is going to have consequences that will cause you pain.
You'll be getting shit in industrial quantities unless you are one of the 0.01% elites like Trump.
If you think Trump is only a single layer of shit, you really really need to do more research. Trump isn't a shit sandwich. He's a shit onion. Layers upon layers of shit. That's why Trump as a candidate (let alone president) was simply mind boggling. They made a huge deal out of "I smoked it but didn't inhale" for Bill Clinton. Trump was doing coke off hookers tits in the penthouses of his bankrupted casinos long before the White House was a glimmer in Slick Willie's eye.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
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Hey now, don't sell Hillary short! She also sold out to the Russians for $100 million, so she's already proven she's for sale to the Russians AND to Goldman Sachs!
Even after you're candidate wins you continue to spread bullshit? The uranium deal was approved by nine separate US agencies. The State Department was only one of them. So no, Clinton could NOT have made a deal here of any kind, unless you believe in a government wide conspiracy. And if you do believe that, then how did Clinton lose the election when clearly she is so powerful that she could force nine separate government agencies to push through a corrupt deal?
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Yes, I voted for Trump. I had the choice between a double-decker shit sandwich, and a regular shit sandwich. I chose less shit.
But either way, I knew I was getting a shit sandwich. . .
No you chose more shit. I can understand if you are hardcore Republican and vote for someone like Romney or Bush who at least knows Politics 101, but you chose someone who not only has zero experience, but has the temperament most unsuited to a political role. This is not your local mayor who's worst consequence is a few broken footpaths or potholes in the street. You are gambling with the fate of the free world.
Hillary was a regular shit sandwich. Trump is a bucket of shit floating inside swimming pool of vomit and piss.
The article summary makes it sound like Russia was controlling the Trump camp.
Prove that it wasn't.
(Now it's your turn to prove a negative--enjoy!)
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
you chose the half pounder shit sandwich over the double decker of 2 eighth pound patties that only look like shit.. you just really like the taste of shit.
His model is the dictator of a country where the oligarchs live like kings, while the regular people live in abject poverty. I think that in time we will learn the full extent of Trump's ties with Putin but it may not be until it's too late.
When a nation-state crosses our borders against our wishes, with or without violence, or interferes with / damages our navy on the high seas, or interferes with / damages our aircraft in the air.
Yes, it's perfectly simple. That situation already exists: Russia. It doesn't matter, and I covered it completely: They won't attack, regardless of their ability to destroy us, because they would not survive the process. That's what a nuclear deterrent (stealthy, nuclear-armed missile submarines, minutes-from launch nuclear armed aircraft, nuclear-armed cruise missing carrying warships) does -- it makes MAD a reality, and that in turn holds back other nation-states.
Trade is a two-edged sword when you engage in it across lower production cost boundaries as we do. You get less expensive products, but you lose jobs. You try and raise a tariff or block a product outright, some jobs may come back, but the cost is up and the market will slow. And that's not even taking into account the jobs that won't come back because automation is now preferred over people if it's at all practical, and in many venues, it's very practical and only getting more so.
That's like saying that our attack on Iraq was like our attack on Hiroshima. It's nonsensical. The tools and the means and the objectives are completely different today. This isn't a "there's only one way to do this" issue; it is a very complex one with many subtleties. You need a comprehensive counter-argument, because I am not claiming this is simple on any front.
I agree. However, Trump voters have not reasonably accounted for the fire-resistance provided by congress. They aren't going to go along with Trump's attempt to burn it all down. It's already begun: Congress has reacted to Trump's "I'll impose term limits" idea with "oh, no you won't" and that's absolutely the end of that.
We can expect a lot more along those lines. For instance, if he tries to make any restrictive impact on free trade, he'll be raising the costs of products here. That in turn will slow the markets for the products, and the majority of jobs won't come back anyway, because first, lesser demand, and second, manufacture now uses automation everywhere it can. It doesn't take a genius to see this coming, and there are plenty of smart people on the staffs of congresscritters. Arbitrarily defund the ACA withotu providing a functionally equivalant replacement first? Sure. Leave the insurance companies in the financial lurch, and watch the fines for not having insurance continue to accrue anyway. Etc. Can't see it happening.
The match is mostly all wet; all I mostly expect is a load of butthurt from the low-information group that decided Trump was the answer to Washington's various warts and smelly parts.
You know what the president's primary domestic strength is? It's not in saying "we're going to do things there her new way", it's in saying "no, I veto this, you can't do this unless you can cobble up a super-majority." Bottom line, his ideas have to get through congress. If they are seen as damaging (and believe it or not, congress does look at that), they simply won't fly.
The things to seriously worry about here, if anything, are the changes that the republicans want to make that they can get Trump to agree with, not the other way around; and social changes that may cascade from the supreme court swinging right. A great deal of social progress cou
I've fallen off your lawn, and I can't get up.
You are the one "dismissing your economic concerns"
GOP policies are actively working against your concerns and it is killing our country. Trump and Republicans' policies are well known: cut taxes and reduce regulaltions
You know there's no law that companies have to pass higher profit onto you with higher wages?
Your policies are a proven scam, the Bush years proved it over and over
Thank you Dave Raggett