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Electoral College Elects Donald Trump As President (nbcnews.com)
mi writes: The drama is over, Donald J. Trump passed the 270 electoral votes necessary to become President. A few electors dissented, resulting in their prompt dismissal and replacement per their state's laws. Ironically, more dissenters turned on Clinton than on Trump... The sky may not be falling yet, but the Earth is already in peril.
Yet the media will spin like a top to call trump the next hitler and announce the apocalypse because he was elected. Dems lost because hillary sucks, period!
I fear the drama is just beginning.
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The sky may not be falling but the earth is in peril?!
My god people - grow the fuck up.
There is no stopping him; Trump will soon be president. And I for one welcome our new orange overlord. I’d like to remind him that as a trusted slashdot personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in his underground cheeto dust cave hotels.
(Disclaimer: I didn't vote for the SOB.)
I note that in all the discussion of how Clinton won the popular vote, in CalExit America, she actually lost by about half a million votes. California's vote was that lopsided.
Trump is ... an embarrassment, at best, but the overheated histrionics of the Left wore very very thin a long time ago.
I've been saying for years: Never give powers to your very favorite president in history that you wouldn't want to see in the hands of the president who horrifies you the most. The current administration has spent 8 years weaponizing the Federal government to go after his opponents. For those who applauded that... we'll see how that works out for you in the next 4-8 years.
Maybe we'll get some actual consensus that federalism and limited powers are a good thing again. If so, a Trump presidency might be just the medicine we need, no matter how bad it tastes.
This story was submitted by mi, who is pretty much a partisan hack. It's written with little substance and is very misleading about the faithless electors. Although a couple of Democratic electors attempted to switch their vote to Sanders, that's not the main reason for faithless electors from that party. And two faithless Republican electors from Texas cast a single vote each for Kasich and Ron Paul. One of the faithless Democratic electors cast a protest vote because of the North Dakota pipeline. The others were actually casting votes for Republican candidates other than Trump to try to entice Republican electors to join them and send the election to the House of Representatives. That's why three Democratic faithless electors cast votes for Colin Powell. The story is so misleading and lacks so much substance that it's an embarrassment, even for Slashdot.
It's better than having Cliton in office. You dumbass Democrats should have voted Bernie, then this wouldn't have happened. But noooo.
I can only imagine the outcry, if HRC had won and the republicans were asking to ignore the votes of Americans, because they voted incorrectly. Seriously, the people who were honestly hoping that the electoral college voters would ignore the votes of the people of their states, and simply disenfranchise however many million voters it would take, just so they can get their way?
I personally think Trump will be a horrible, horrible president. I cannot imagine any good coming from his presidency. The world climate alone may never recover. My only hope is that he will do something that can get him impeached relatively quickly, before too much damage can be done. Having said that, I still cannot understand the thought process behind attempting to tell 50% of the country, "your vote doesn't count, unless you vote the way you are supposed to". If that actually happened, the utter and complete demise of any semblance of democracy in the USA would have happened, and there would either be a) a revolt, or b) a new, non-democratic country.
You are equally at fault. You should have elected literally any other candidate in the Democratic primary.
The whole world knows it. Your country has gotten the leader it deserves.
I hope to gods that i'm wrong about Trump. I'm worried because i'm not sure what he'll do (though it certainly seems like he's already heading in a bad direction.) And i'm worried because no one else is sure what he'll do either.
But for the sake of our country and our planet i sure hope it's everyone who voted for him saying "see, i told you so!" in four years, instead of everyone who voted against him saying "see, i told you so!" in rather less than four years.
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Oh, that's not even the worst of it.
He's being advised by people that clearly think a trade or shooting war with China is in the best interest of the US, and that a pivot to Russia away from Europe is a good idea too.
posts like this are why i'm shorting salt mining stocks.
And so it will be best to look at who is standing behind Trump. The United States has another dull-witted Republican in charge. So, as with GWB, look at the VP and senior members of the cabinets, with the additional fun that now Trump's kids, and by all accounts Ivanka and her husband in particular, will play significant roles in the administration.
The world's burning. Moped Jesus spotted on I50. Details at 11.
Now we get to see just how powerless the President really is, or is not.
Just wow, you quite the stick up your rear. The man has been in a leadership position through most of his life and has done quite well for himself and those who do business with him so I think he is more than capable of managing a country, certainly a better than someone who almost had no experience at all leading people in business or government (aka our current president).
Our country is strong enough to withstand poor leadership with no fiscal or management experience obama is proof of that so regardless of how well he performs it will be better than what we have and will be better than what Clinton would of gave who I still think is a criminal
Jan 6th is the real election. The House will never allow him to rule us.
It's your fault too. You didn't vote for the same 3rd party person as me so he didn't get elected. It's just as much your fault as any other voter's.
Fun Fact: The majority of emissions in the US come from states which literally are taking action, no matter what the feds say.
Fun Fact: US solar power (in annual output per device) literally doubled in the last three months.
Fun Fact: All - and I do mean all - fossil fuels are much more expensive than both solar and wind. Today. In the USA.
Fun Fact: plug in electric vehicles - which are mostly used in cities which have green energy, and are frequently charged by solar panels - literally doubled in the US during the last six months. There's a factory in Detroit that churns out 600 of them a day. Range 200 miles on a charge. Costs less than 30k.
It really doesn't matter what you do, we're changing the world already. And we will leave you in the dust with more efficient, CHEAPER, green energy and more efficient factories.
Capitalism doesn't care about your failed ideology or your political persuasions. It literally does. not. care.
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America is in for a stellar four years, no matter what the cowardly liberals say. Congratulations to President Donald J. Trump!
Just don't fuck up the rest of the world.
Seriously, Hillary and Trump are the best you could choose from. WTF is wrong with "y'all".
And a barbarian sat on the throne of Rome
Drill baby drill - on Mars
She did win the popular vote though.
The popular vote is trivia. Neither side was trying to win the popular vote. They spent their time and money to maximize the electoral. If the popular was the goal then they would have spent their time and money very different and we would have a very different popular vote as a result. Focusing on the popular vote is like focusing on the fact that the losing team in a football game moved the ball more yards. Interesting but neither team was trying for that.
As opposed the the dems selling out to Saudi Arabia and going to war with Russia ?
And my conscience is clear.
Oh well, I despondently look forward to the many MSM articles about how the Russians hacked the Electoral College, and then later on how they hacked Congress when certifying the electoral votes.
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Being a middle-aged straight white male in America, of all the different demographics in this country I have the least to worry about, so long as I keep my head down so they don't notice I'm not totally vanilla. I won't live long enough to see climate change go open-loop on us, and so long as I stay out of the line of fire the wars that are coming probably won't affect me until things are finally at their very worst. I just feel sorry for my friends who are actually raising their kids right now, in this fucked-up world. Oh well, maybe there'll be enough roadblocks put in the way of Trump's cronies over the next four years that they'll manage to keep the absolute worst from happening. At least unless Trump has one of his temper-tantrums and decides to start chucking nukes at countries like China, that is.
Oh we are not fucked. The sun will still come up tomorrow, the sky isn't falling and Trump isn't going to destroy the planet. We are going to be just fine.
Supporting World Peace Through Nuclear Pacification
Obama did a few odds/ends executive orders that could have been shut down by Congress if they cared to bother. Mostly he didn't lock up non-violent drug offenders and he didn't go out of his way to deport illegal immigrants who were holding down jobs (though his admin still did a fuck load of deporting). The right didn't care that much about #1 and actively support #2 so long as they don't have to admit it to their base (they can't get enough of that sweet, sweet cheap labor).
We don't need federalism. The federal gov't were the ones that put a stop to the farce that was "Separate but Equal". They broke up the Trusts. They enabled the Unions that created the middle class. They bring in real and effective disaster relief and keep our shipping ports open. The State governments have proven themselves powerless to stand against even the smallest tyrannies time and time again. Look at Flint, Mi's Water supply (that Gov Snyder is still fighter the cleanup of) and the complete breakdown in Democracy it represented.
What's the phrase about small gov'ts? Small enough to drown in a bathtub? That's your democracy. Small enough to drown in a bathtub...
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Well I hope other countries in the world will insist he register as a sex offender if he wishes to visit.
However I honestly doubt he will even see a year in office before he is impeached. There is no way his ego will allow him to miss opportunities to use the position of president for personal financial gain.
Will Trump ever release his tax records, no way, if he did that people would better be able to monitor what he is doing. And if people could see them they would realise he is the poster boy for the establishment, sure not the political one, but the financial establishment, the 1%, the ones who caused the financial collapse, the ones who caused people to loose their houses, their jobs, their savings, their security, their pensions.
Trump could cause irreparable damage to the US, and I think future scholars will study this period of US history trying to find out what caused the implosion of the US economy.
I voted for Johnson in a state where it didn't matter, but I wish I and most of the other Johnson voters had swallowed our pride and voted for Trump so he'd have his majority. Every passing day with every passing bit of left-wing craziness over Trump's win makes me that much more glad that Hillary lost. If her supporters are so bad-shit insane over a loss, I dread how they'd've behaved with a win.
I was going to bitch about linking that fucking goddamned WaPo article complaining about all the darned country bumpkins who are too stupid to understand AGW, but then I saw that mi was writing. I wasn't sure mi was capable of sarcasm but stranger things have happened.
She did win the popular vote though.
Yes, only in America can you win by 3 million votes and still somehow lose. Thanks, Electoral College!
Somehow? There is no mystery. She was not trying for the popular vote, both Hillary and Trump were allocating time and money for the electoral vote. If the popular vote were the goal they both would have allocated time and money very differently and that popular vote would have been very different. The current popular vote is a side effect, trivia.
Also its not the electoral college that is the problem. The Electoral College only has a small effect itself, a small bump due to the two electors every state gets that correspond to their Senators, the remaining number of electors corresponding to their House representation which is proportional to population. The real huge bump is due to the states going winner take all. That is a state problem, not a federal problem. Some states do proportional rather than winner take all. Two states?
Definitely not my President.
I honestly believe that the incoming President Trump showed great insight when he said this:
https://twitter.com/realDonald...
You are welcome on my lawn.
They aren't dissenters, are they? They were "Hamilton Electors". That is, they likely chose a non-Trump Republican.
How's gravity today?
Clinton had more faithless electors than Trump. She had at least 7 - 2 voted for Bernie, and 3 for Powell. One voted for the governor of Ohio, and another for “Faith Spotted Eagle”. However most of those votes didn't count because the elector was automatically replaced or their vote was annulled, depending on the laws of the particular state.
Better known as 318230.
The ignorance of this post shows why we're in so much trouble.
China will go to literal war over Taiwan, and out economy is linked with theirs.
Hillary Clinton, that is. Hail Putin!
TRUMP/PENCE 2020
... Trump isn't going to destroy the planet. We are going to be just fine.
On the other hand, "the planet" and "we" are not one in the same.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
The Dems? Last I checked, it was the Bushes who had relationships with members of the House of Saud so close that they were considered part of their family and co-owned businesses with the Binladens.
You are equally at fault. You should have elected literally any other candidate in the Democratic primary.
Somehow, viable Democrats (Bernie is really an Independent) seem to have stayed out of the primary this year. Its really strange, there was no Democratic incumbent running for re-election. There should have been a wide selection of viable candidates like in 2008, as happens all the time in non-incumbent years. But somehow, no big names but Hillary showed up. Yes there was the token opponent who mostly agreed with Hillary and said she would be a good President; and there was the Independent Bernie who re-registered to run as a Democrat. How was there not a contested field like in 2008?
WRT Trump's ego, you are 180 degrees wrong. His ego is one of the things we can rely on to keep him in check. He will want to be seen as the best president ever, and will work tirelessly to make it so.
Now we're fucked. Well and truly fucked. America has officially elected an ignorant, narcissistic crank with an attention span measured in milliseconds. A guy who claims he knows more than all the generals. President Pussy Grabber.
And every fucked up thing that happens from here on out is on you, the people who voted for him. Just remember this when the shit really starts to pile up- this is what you voted for. This is on you, and you're going to own it.
stop being a pussy
It was whitelash.. Wait, no it was fraud... Oh, no it was fake news... What? wait - didn't I say it was Russian hackers? I can't think straight while under all this sniper fire!
Tards - plain and simple.
I can get a 4 door death mobile (Versa/Elantra/Fit/Yaris) for 1/3 that. Yeah, I won't survive a crash with an SUV, but looking at what I'm driving you gotta ask yourself, do I want to?
And your right about Capitalism. It doesn't give a rats ass. When food becomes scarce because of climate change that's just more profits for the folks who own the farms. Sure, 10% of the population will starve (that seems to be the # you can really take a dump on before you get problems) but hey, Capitalism doesn't care about anything. Especially morality and human suffering.
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The ignorance of this post shows why we're in so much trouble.
China will go to literal war over Taiwan, and out economy is linked with theirs.
Yeah, because it makes good business sense to attack the country supporting your economy. China is far more dependent on the US.
I would have, had I been a US citizen with voting rights.
Just wow, you quite the stick up your rear. The man has been in a leadership position through most of his life and has done quite well for himself and those who do business with him so I think he is more than capable of managing a country, certainly a better than someone who almost had no experience at all leading people in business or government (aka our current president).
Our country is strong enough to withstand poor leadership with no fiscal or management experience obama is proof of that so regardless of how well he performs it will be better than what we have and will be better than what Clinton would of gave who I still think is a criminal
^This... Trump has already done more for the economy than the current president, and he's not even in the office yet.
I hope to gods that i'm wrong about Trump. I'm worried because i'm not sure what he'll do (though it certainly seems like he's already heading in a bad direction.) And i'm worried because no one else is sure what he'll do either.
But for the sake of our country and our planet i sure hope it's everyone who voted for him saying "see, i told you so!" in four years, instead of everyone who voted against him saying "see, i told you so!" in rather less than four years.
I hope to gods that i'm wrong about Trump. I'm worried because i'm not sure what he'll do (though it certainly seems like he's already heading in a bad direction.) And i'm worried because no one else is sure what he'll do either.
But for the sake of our country and our planet i sure hope it's everyone who voted for him saying "see, i told you so!" in four years, instead of everyone who voted against him saying "see, i told you so!" in rather less than four years.
You know, instead of signalling your worry, you might try being "hopeful". Like the title to your post.
It hasn't really occurred to the left, but Trump is more capable and has more integrity than they give him credit for.
This is obvious when you consider all their predictions have been wrong, in every case. Trump won't win the nomination, Trump is melting down, Trump has *completely* melted down, Trump will never win the election, and on and on. Why should we believe anything the left says, when none of their past predictions have come true?
It's also obvious because everyone is running around looking for the "why" of his success. I mean, it's Russia, it's Wikileaks, it's white supremacists, it's "fake news", it's Breitbart, it's Clinton, and on and on. Do you think that maybe Trump is more capable than you gave him credit for?
And now everyone is running around with their hair on fire over every subtle thing he does. And I mean *really* "hair on fire" over some of his appointments: he'd going to dissolve the EPA and make our pollution worse than China, he's going to stage a military coup and install a fascist regime, [non-political] industry leader appointees are not "draining the swamp", an actual brain surgeon will be incompetent because he has no experience, and on and on.
A lot of us on the alt-right get a big chuckle over the histrionics and fake emotion. We like seeing your heads explode over these things. You, for example, are signalling deep worry, in a way meant to infect everyone else into a state of deep worry. Go for it! (*snicker*)
We on the alt-right are noticing that a) he's not the president yet, b) he's appointing capable people, and c) he's still intending to fix things.
As an example of something we take comfort in, Trump is vetting people by saying "here's my vision, do you agree"? And if there's a meeting of the minds, that person is considered for the position (along with experience and skill and a lot of other things).
So it was that Trump's pick for Labour secretary published a statement showing that he was on-board with Trump's priorities:
My job as a business person is to maximize profits for my company, employees and shareholders. My job as the Secretary of Labor, if confirmed, is to serve U.S. citizen workers – that is my moral and constitutional duty. The public spoke loud and clear in this election, and delivered a mandate to protect American workers. It makes no economic sense to spend trillions on welfare and jobless benefits for out of work Americans while bringing in foreign workers to fill jobs in their place.
As Secretary of Labor, I will fiercely defend American workers and implement my piece of the ten point plan the President-elect laid out.[...]
If you aren't anti-American, it really doesn't look all that bad. In fact, it looks a lot like we might get some competence in government for once.
Consider taking a "wait and see" attitude.
All this worry and panic is over nothing.
... Trump isn't going to destroy the planet. We are going to be just fine.
On the other hand, "the planet" and "we" are not one in the same.
The planet will be just fine too...
The Estimates 25 mill saudi arabia donated to the clinton foundation ?
It's nice to be sold out to the Russians like this since they were pushing for Trump.
Obama weaponized the IRS against his foes, he expanded all the spying regimes, started killing US citizens with drones in deliberately targeted attacks, and prosecuted more leakers than ever. Inasmuch as this is the most transparent administration ever, we have Wikileaks to thank for that.
What kind of fake news have you been watching, CNN?
Somehow, viable Democrats (Bernie is really an Independent) seem to have stayed out of the primary this year. Its really strange, there was no Democratic incumbent running for re-election. There should have been a wide selection of viable candidates like in 2008, as happens all the time in non-incumbent years. But somehow, no big names but Hillary showed up. Yes there was the token opponent who mostly agreed with Hillary and said she would be a good President; and there was the Independent Bernie who re-registered to run as a Democrat. How was there not a contested field like in 2008?
Interestingly, the Wikileaks dump had this snippet about Joe Biden:
Ron Klain, a Democrat stalwart who served as chief of staff to Biden and Vice President Al Gore, sent an email to Podesta suggesting the Clinton campaign wasn’t sitting idly by while Biden was agonizing as to whether or not to stage a campaign for president, just months after the tragic death of his son Beau.
“It’s been a little hard for me to play such a role in the Biden demise – and I am definitely dead to them — but I’m glad to be on Team HRC, and glad that she had a great debate last night,” he wrote to Podesta and Clinton Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri.
I make no judgement about this - it's how politics is done - but note that Joe Biden would probably have been a stronger opponent than HRC was.
Or impeachment...
If the goal of being President were to make money for yourself, then you would have a point. It is not, and you don't. Trump has absolutely zero qualifications for the job, nor has he demonstrated any actual interest in performing the work. The notion that running a business prepares you for leading the government is dimwitted at best.
China won't go to war because Trump phoned with the president of Taiwan. They may not like it but they're not such fools as to start a war over it that would be bad for anyone involved.
There is no stopping him; Trump will soon be president. And I for one welcome our new orange overlord. I’d like to remind him that as a trusted slashdot personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in his underground cheeto dust cave hotels.
Dude, awesome post!
I heard he swallows, too.
A guy who claims he knows more than all the generals.
Which, of course, explains why he's hired complete lap dogs like General "Mad Dog" Mattis. Mattis is well-known for his soft-spoken manner, desire to "go along to get along" and his political finesse. The troops hate him and his military record is a joke.
OK, there's only so much sarcasm I can spew before I choke. Point being, Trump is doing what any skilled executive does and that's surrounding himself with people who are damn good at what they do. Trump is shoring up his weak points by finding strong people. You may not like his picks but it's difficult to argue that each one of them aren't formidable in their own arena.
I don't think you're the least bit frightened of a bad President Trump. You're terrified he'll be a good President. You're scared he WON'T destroy civil liberties, round up gays, or wipe his ass with the Constitution. That'd be the ultimate terror attack on your ideology, wouldn't it? That his policies might be effective and actually good for the country, thus proving your ideas are, at best, not worthwhile.
In the end they will lay their freedom at our feet and say to us, Make us your slaves, but feed us. - Fyodor Dostoyevsky
So the ECOTUS voted for the POTUS, and then the POTUS can try to appoint a new SCROTUS to sit on the SCOTUS and interpret the COTUS for the POTUS.
Mind you, the ROTUSES on the HOTUS can block any SCROTUS chosen by the POTUS to sit on the SCOTUS.
So, 4 years of status quo at worse, and impeachment at best,
The only slips of paper that mattered this election said "pay to the order of" or were green.
voting, does not matter. It does not matter who the POTUS is, who the FLOTUS is, who the SCROTUSES or even ROTUSES are. Your nearest lobbyist is your point of contact to get the job done.
Writing letters to the ROTUSES, CMOTUSES, or even the POTUS is about as useful as praying.
If he's the King of Birthers, it's only because Hillary tossed him the scimitar
Absolutely on target. And with the Department of Justice behind him, anyone who claims that he isn't the best president ever will be sued into silence, permanently.
Exactly. It's knowing your way around graft and bribery that prepares you for government.
94.5% of voters voted for one of the two worst major-party presidential candidates in history.
This country is getting what it deserves.
How can we continue to believe in a just universe and freedom to eat crackers if we have no ale?
Well, you can spend the next 8 years complaining about Trump and his supporters, or spend the next 4 years coming up with something positive for the Dems to be for (not identity politics, that's inherently negative). If all you've got by then is someone who's against Trump, it will be 2004 all over again. See you in 2020.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
When I think about this election. I can not help but think of Issac Asimov's Foundation Trilogy.. And the various eras of leadership and government the foundation went through.
;)
Maybe we are transitioning from the era of the modern profession elite career politician (which I think may have started with Kennedy). And now it has ended with poor corrupt incompetent status quo leadership. Ending with presidents, Clinton, Bush and Obama. They were not bad presidents, they just were not very good at the job.
To the new era of Corporate Business Tycoons (no elite political background). But (I hope) strong leadership and competence. Maybe the next 50 years will be a succession of Business Tycoons from both political parties. And in 50+ years Business Tycoons will be the corrupt incompetent status quo. And something new will arise.
But that will be for future generations
They pretty much use a similar system to pick their candidate for the election. In an odd coincidence she lost the 2008 primary even though she "won" the popular vote. If the dems think the electoral college sucks they can do a test run and show everybody how well the popular vote would work by using it in their primaries. Have the primaries all on one day and popular vote decides the winner. Lets see how that works out.
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
Both candidates played under the electoral candidate rules. If the electoral college did not exist they would have used a completely different strategy.
Can you imagine the constitutional crisis had the electoral college not elected Trump? Total loss of faith in the process for at least 1/3 of the population. Pretty much would guarantee a civil war.
They have plenty of other ways to fuck us over.
It was a bit of a worry seeing her in a photo of a meeting between Trump and the Japanese delegation.
Even more of a worry is that since then Japan has legalized casinos (for the first time) and ratified the TPP.
Expect a Trump casino in Japan and expect a Trump backflip on the TPP.
Some of us are not Democrats and still don't like the idea of a King.
Well, the GOP establishment was the most useless bunch of wankers in modern politics, so no loss there. If you object to rule by family line, I can only hope you were against both Clinton and Bush this time around. If you're against the president having too much power, well, the Constitution is a start - now if we could only get a few SCOTUSlings who respected it.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
They could be good in a stopped clock being right kind of way, but they will be good policies for Trump and not necessarily for America.
I think you are in for a long series of shocks that will shake you out of your naive optimism - it's not just gays that are going to get a raw deal.
No, you have it 180 degrees wrong.
Trump does not care what YOU think of him, it is how he views himself that counts.
Look at how he thinks he is a great businessman, truth is he would be in a better position if he had just put the money in the bank earning interest.
He thinks being a "great negotiator" is short changing contractors who don't have the financial means to fight back
He has lost BILLIONS of dollars of other peoples money being "great"
If Trump thought that starting a Nuclear war with China would "make the US Great again", he would do it just so the history books would be full of his name. And the thing is, he probably believes he knows more about war than anyone in the armed forces.
Trump will go his grave believing he was the greatest president ever, the rest of the world will have a different opinion, but that won't matter to Trump.
We can not force the rest of the world to not emit CO2. The best way to stop them is to make renewable/less polluting power less expensive than coal. In California, we have drought - which is famous for lots of sun and few clouds. Think we can find a better use of land than growing almond trees?
Once we perfect solar, we can bankrupt Texas dirty manufacturing with power that literally falls on us for free from the sky. In the process, we are going to bring lots of jobs and revenue into the state and build up technology export industry for the rest of the world.
Wallowing in self pity over Trump is not solving any problems. Even with Hillary, we would have hard time convincing China, India and Russia to do much about greenhouse gases. Anyone who claims want to save the Earth needs to actually get their hands dirty.
a. Bullshit. The IRS went after a few Right wing 'nonprofits' because they were so obviously political they were easy pickings for lazy auditors. The left doesn't do that because there's a multi-billion dollar media machine that savages them (fox news, briebart, etc, etc)
b. So what? Every president expands the spying regimes. I don't like it, and fuck if I'll defend it, but if you want to get away from that crap then your only way out is to take away the _reason_ people are spying: money. We need this spy network to keep tabs on terrorists. We have terrorists because we have to meddle in other countries affairs so we can all have personal automobiles that guzzle gas. Build a real public transit system. Start up a UBI program so we're not at each other's throats all the time. Get some God Damned Worker Solidarity for Christ's sake and stop letting the mega corps pick you apart like that snake picture of the old colonies.
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What is this mythical money grab of which you speak? He is divesting his businesses to his sons, and waiving his presidential salary. If he wanted to make money, he would have dropped out of the race in the primaries, written a book about how "Trump would run America" and cashed in millions for it. Maybe even made a TV show out of it. That on top of whatever he's making from his existing companies.
No, you have to face it, the guy isn't doing this to make money. Set that conspiracy theory aside, it doesn't make any sense.
but at 6' it's uncomfortable as heck for me and it's also a death trap. My point is that Capitalism isn't going to correct for shit. I'll skip the Yaris and the Plugin. At $30k I'll take half of that, but a 2 year old entry level Sedan, save a few thousand on top of that and put it in my gas tank. I'll also survive the crash I get in (without injuries) like clockwork every 5 years when some numskull on his third week of 7 consecutive 12 hour shifts finally falls asleep at the wheel (thanks again Capitalism).
And Capitalism created White Flight (google it) and the slums that mean I can't safely live anywhere near I work. Buddy of mine lives in one of those 'cheap' houses. He had to stay home a few days this year because somebody shot up his house (stray bullets) and his wife was shook up).
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Rail based public transportation need population density in order to be really worthwhile. NYC is the big rail city in the USA, but DC and Philly do a decent job.... I guess there are also buses. Making people drive mini cars seems to be the best compromise so far.
Translation...
Using the IRS against political opponents is perfectly fine according to rsilvergun. From his own words. The coward that lies every post he makes.
This is how the left thinks. This is the REAL reason Trump won. Everyone is sick and tired of "RACIST!" being yelled because the left cannot debate anymore. The left got tired of getting creamed every time they tried to debate on issues and facts, and thats why the IRS got unleashed.
Liberals can no longer defend their point of view in a reasonable manner. Their idea have lost them the White House, the Senate, the House, Governors of state, even dog catcher. Their last hope was complete abuse of government power, as endorsed by rsilverugn, and even that didn't work. With how they have acted since the election, Trumps approval numbers have been skyrocketing because they ACTUALLY have been acting like they claim Trump would.
Its over, you lost, and all the name calling will not ever work for you again.
Oh, that's not even the worst of it.
He's being advised by people that clearly think a trade or shooting war with China is in the best interest of the US
Bernie Sanders also thinks a trade war with China is a good thing.
I used to say, with the rise of the religious right, and anti-science sentiment, and so on, that "we are watching the fall of America".
This is no longer true. We are no longer falling. What we are watching now is the beginning of the impact.
Who says you can't be liberal and be a doomsday prepper?
And, if I don't get the chance to talk to you again, best of luck to you.
He is divesting his businesses to his sons ...
With whom he will not discuss anything of national significance for the remainder of his term in office. Except when they or their sister sit in on the meetings of course. With the various foreign leaders whose countries host Trump properties, Trump-branded properties, or Trump investments. Nothing to see here.
The popular vote is meaningful. Not only does it demonstrate the sense of the American people ...
Actually no, it does not demonstrate the sense of the American people. Hillary won the overall popular vote by 1M. However if we subtract California then Trump wins the popular by 1.4M. Using your logic we could say Trump demonstrates the will of the people in 49 of the 50 states.
He captured 1 out of 33 electoral votes for all NE states.
Now we're fucked. Well and truly fucked. America has officially elected an ignorant, narcissistic crank with an attention span measured in milliseconds. A guy who claims he knows more than all the generals. President Pussy Grabber.
And every fucked up thing that happens from here on out is on you, the people who voted for him. Just remember this when the shit really starts to pile up- this is what you voted for. This is on you, and you're going to own it.
Your a fool of epic proportions. When bush lost to Gore the only people who owned that mistake were those who signed up for military service and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi citizens.
Are you a moron or something? Those political nonprofits were trying to register AS POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS. Maybe you don't understand this, but there is a distinct category of nonprofit status just for organizations like them. The lazy auditors figured it out because the applicants checked the "political" box on the form.
The problem is that all but one or two of the left wing applications sailed through without a hitch, and a whole bunch of right wing groups got stuck in the IRS tar baby. Yes, the left does do that too. Some of them are still waiting, 2 elections later.
This was in the run up to the 2012 elections. Do you get that? Obama's administration actively suppressed the ability of citizens to organize opposition to his reelection campaign.
See that "Preview" button?
is to convince congress to repeal the 22nd Amendment and we can have Trump Reality Presidency until we all tune out of the country :)
That is one way to make lots of cheap real estate for his companies to buy up and develop. Maybe he can sucker the Chinese into buying the finished products at much inflated rates and help bring some of our trade deficit back into American hands :)
+1 to that.
And that gives us president Pence. Be careful what you wish for.
Let's see the ID and citizenship status of all the voters in the big cities she won, which are all run by machine Democrats and are all "sanctuary cities" that look the other way in EVERY interaction with members of the public on matters of immigration status. Her imagined popular vote victory margin is completely dependent upon her big city votes, which are not verified as legitimate.
The Democrats are fully-dependent on the immigrants they have been bringing in by the millions, mostly illegally, and to whom they pander by providing taxpayer-funded services and privileges that are only supposed to go to citizens. Any politician who ignores a person's legal status and gives them rights and physical stuff like food, medicine, transport, phones, and housing to which they are not entitled, is not to be trusted when he says "but I did not let him vote". This is particularly true when that politician works so hard to erect every possible barrier to anybody checking the citizenship of such people. If there's nothing to hide, then why are the Democrats so opposed to photo ID for voting? Minorities have no problem getting photo ID to enable them to buy beer, rent a residence or vehicle, get access to a doctor, board a plane, or attend a Hillary Clinton rally or Democrat convention (all of which require photo ID).
You cite snopes and the LA Times to rebut somebody's arguments about crooked Democrat politics in CA - that's like asking the PR Department for the Klan to be critical of David Duke. I've no idea if the Klan HAS a PR department, because unlike the DNC and the mainstream press I have never met a Klan member and do not have any of them on speed dial.
That snopes bit is a 100% deceptive article It keeps arguing a DIFFERENT point, namely that the CA "motor voter" does not make it lawful for illegals to vote (strawman argument since nobody is claiming THAT). Snopes repeatedly dodges the actual argument and the TRUTH which is that "motor voter" in CA puts a voter registration form into each driver's hands and only requires them to check a box indicating they are eligible to vote (with NO verification by the state and NO prosecution for violators and NO effort to enforce). The point is that it does a wink-and-nudge play, enabling illegals to register (and then vote, of course) while making a big point that nobody will ever look for fraud... it is an enticement and encouragement to vote ILLEGALLY (NOT legally which is the scenario snopes cleverly argues about), which is precisely what snopes cleverly avoids fact checking, and why they cannot be trusted to factcheck for facebook
Then you double-down by asserting that it's some sort of crazy talk to question whether the California Secretary of State (and by implication California Attorney General) is doing his job..... More hyper-partisan Democrat political hacks who NEVER do their damned jobs! California is Obama's America on steroids - a place where all laws are political, and laws are not enforced if Democrats do not want them enforced. These two corruptocrats have made it their standard practice to NOT uphold the rule of law in California.
You know that theory that postulates we're all actually living inside a computer program, like in The Matrix?
CONTROL BREAK! CONTROL BREAK! GOD DAMN IT ^C ^C ^Ccccccc
Shit. Well, so much for that idea. Guess this IS real and we really are fucked.
If you cannot understand why somebody would vote for a person that about half the voters in your country voted for, then you REALLY need to take some quiet time and consider that you apparently live in a totally insular bubble and are completely out of touch with a huge slice of your fellow citizens. In short: your view of reality and normality is completely bonkers and to such an extreme that you are unable to even comprehend it.
I know people who voted for Trump and people who voted for Hillary, and I understand why those people voted the way they did. None of them are crazy or monsters. Neither candidate was a NAZI, or a space alien, or a Putin puppet, etc;they were two opposing politicians with opposing views on many political issues and both had their share of flaws.
I'd personally find it a bit worrying if everybody I knew thought the same way, had the same political beliefs, and voted for the same politicians.
Sorry, schadenfreude moment. Phew, that was close. Thanks for making living in Britain very, very, very, slightly better than living in America. We really needed the self esteem boost after the Brexit fiasco. Good luck guys. We all hope America doesn't collapse horribly and that he turns out to be sane and/or controllable, but we have bought popcorn. Just in case.
As a white male, of the right-leaning persuasion, I would have HAPPILY voted for DEMOCRAT Jeanne Kirkpatrick (Reagan's female UN Ambassador) to be President of the US in 1988 had she run. She would have been FAR better than George H W Bush, and the nation would have been spared the Bush dynasty and probably the Clintons and Obama too. Ms Kirkpatrick was FANTASTIC; she had a clearer view of the world than 90% of the idiots in BOTH parties in DC and would have been 10 times as qualified as Hillary Clinton, Jill Stein and Elizabeth Warren COMBINED.
It's NOT the "woman" thing.... it's the "corrupt, lying, elitist, entitled, evil scumbag thing" that makes me a NEVER Hillary Clinton and NEVER Elizabeth Warren person.
Democrats are always fixating on the stupid and largely irrelevant superficial demographic things. They HAD to have Obama because he was black. Then they HAD to have Hillary because she was a she, and it was "her turn". I do not care about skin color any more than eye color or hair color. I do not care about my President's genitalia and have never voted for a president because he had a penis, so why vote for one because she was born with a vagina????? I want a person with the right agenda, the right instincts, etc for the times. Neither candidate was a great fit this year, but the genitalia had NOTHING to do with it for any sane voter.
One of the most-dishonorable things the US ever did, and the brainchild of the tag-team of [sarc]fantastic presidents[/sarc] Nixon and Carter in which the US stopped supporting its WWII allies, the free Chinese people and shifted to chairman Mao's commie Chinese revolutionaries and then allowed THOSE bad guys to take the seat for China at the UN and in all other international matters. Probably 30% of America's problems can be traced to that, as can all the problems the world now faces with commie China in the South China Sea, North Korea, part of the Iran problem, etc.
Trump was right to take the phone call; it's been a decades-long act of immoral idiocy to keep clinging to the insane idea that the Communist Chinese can tell an American President who he can or cannot speak with on the telephone. If there's to be a war with China, it will be because several presidents caved in to the Chinese dictators on everything for so many years that the Chinese became used to this weakness and began to assume it was a normal condition and that nobody would resist any level of nastiness. Appeasement of evil NEVER works out well in the end.
It prevented a corrupt, unqualified, elitist, out-of-touch, demagogue from getting into the White House based on a campaign of entitlement, race-baiting, gender-baiting, and fear-mongering that used leaders of pop culture to appeal to the masses and to illegal immigrants. It prevented a person getting elected who had already proven the inability to be trusted with national secrets, proven a tendency to start wars around the world in pursuit of various geopolitical theories, proven a tendency to constantly lie to the public about the matters of the public interest, destroy public records, lie under oath to public investigations, etc.
Hillary was exactly the sort of evil politician arising on waves of popular support in mostly just the big cities and hyped by professional image makers that the electoral college was designed to prevent from power. The Presidency is NOT for the person who can get just the super-rich and the poor masses of the big cities, but rather it requires a person who can reach out to the nation, getting broad support from most regions and from the broad swath of the middle class.
It was in the Dubbya era that the Right deliberately departed from reality and redefined language to suit itself. That looseness allowed the buildup of bullshit as news and the complete reality disconnection that enabled a total dickwad to win this time by just slagging off everyone he didn't like.
Thanks for nothing Americans. You deserve the total reaming you are about to get.
The annoying thing is he'll ream the rest of us too, and we don't deserve any of that.
Nope. All that shows is that you can get another large mob of imbeciles to follow you. Your side has been saying for decades now that we've been dumbing down the education system. I agree and look how many dumb asses we have now. You guys have been claiming this conspiracy theory forever. You get to reap its rewards. The babyboomers, my gen Xers, and now the millenials get to demonstrate how that dumbing down of america worked out. Now embrace our mantra and be loud and proud that you're a simpleton. You were simply born that way. Don't change for the world. Make the world change for you. That's what make america great again means right? I'm gonna embrace your mantra of being a whiney brat, throwing a temper tantrum in congress and bringing your happy world to a screeching halt.
You are what you claim to be. Honesty such as this is so rare.
Or divide and conquer, if you prefer. Trump is claiming that he prefers to keep other countries from bidding under American workers, but I'm already convinced he was lying when he promised to return good jobs to the former industrial states. He just wants the low bidders to be other states, and in this case of high tech jobs, Florida lost the race to the bottom.
Then again, I also suspect he was lying when he said he would prevent other countries from doing the same to American workers. Can't really tell yet. He's said pretty much everything on every issue, but I think it's going to come down to his personal and family profits. In other words, he'll make some deal with China to keep making his ties there and then lie to his supporters about it. Worked great so far.
Still expecting the Donald to get Bill-Cosby-ed out of office within a few months.
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
So it's hardly our fault that May is in charge and wanted to remain, because BoJo didn't want the frigging job. Not even the new post for organising Brexit.
Because none of those morons wanted to take the job of something that they expected wouldn't pass, so they'd get unearned credits for "standing up for Britain!" without having to actually risk anything.
Sorry, I STILL can't figure out the hatred of Hillary Clinton. Dare I say that it was trumped up?
If Hillary HAD committed ANY actual crime, how is it possible that decades of savage partisan investigation have somehow never managed to lead to an arrest for ANYTHING? How could they spend so many millions of YOUR taxpayer dollars and fail to find something if there was anything to be found? I think the election result is sufficient to prove that she is not a criminal super-genius, eh?
So exactly what crime do you think she committed?
I'm convinced most of the hatred of Hillary is purely partisan (and transferred from Bill), but some of it is just plain old misogyny. I think her two worst features are (1) She's a lawyer, and (2) She's extremely ambitious.
I think the DNC was like me. The DNC and I live in the real world and we still can't figure out what the Hillary hatred is supposed to be about. Not sure about the DNC, but as a scientific sort of person I think the truth is supposed to win out.
We know about the Donald. He has a track record of thousands of lawsuits, though I think he initiated most of them as counter-suits against people who were suing him. I do wonder how many millions of dollars he saved on that $25 million settlement for Trump University (by bribing the Florida Attorney-General so she didn't join in), but it obviously doesn't really matter, does it?
Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
in the house of representatives? So why is it necessary to give them an overwhelming advantage in the single post of president? If the plurality of people voted for one party president, but the states were overwhelmingly for a different party, then the makeup of the senate would be appropriate to that situation, whereas if the states got their way in both cases, the representation of the USA is biased.
Umm, no, it's only just begun. Once the Trump supporters finally understand they were useful idiots and he is never going to "drain the swamp" "lock her up" or "build that wall". But that's fine, he's going to put you in such a precarious security position it's going to be an interesting watch.
94.5% of voters voted for one of the two worst major-party presidential candidates in history.
This country is getting what it deserves.
With 43% absenteeism, with the lowest turnout in the last 20 years. That 95.5% doesn't seem that impressive once you put it in its proper context. No matter what, both candidates were shit.
"Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -Mencken
If he's the King of Birthers, it's only because Hillary tossed him the scimitar
I'm not saying HRC is an angel, she is a shitpile just like Trump. But your entire response amounts to "she did something stupid, so Trump gets to do something stupid too."
If that's how you want to role, go for it. I won't be the one to get in your way towards 3rd-grade levels of thinking.
No no, can't do that! Superdelegates are guarding the interests of the elite. Somebody has to do it...
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
As in: 'constitution'?
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
hope you get drafted first when there's a war with NK and china over a 2 am drunken tweet
Same is true of California, well, not "most", except that in California they're not displaced New England snowbirds. One-in-four Californians are foreign-born (about 10M people), and about 1/4th of those is an illegal alien, i.e. every fifteenth "Californian" is an illegal alien.
Not that there's anything wrong with legal immigrants living in California or anywhere else they chose to live, but I do wish California would make a significant effort to prevent *illegal* aliens from voting in US elections. Yes, yes..."There's no proof illegal aliens voted..." but that's at least partly because asking anyone to prove they are entitled to vote (and I might add, a valid, legal resident of the district in which they are attempting to vote) is somehow racist.
http://www.ppic.org/main/publi...
California is home to more than 10 million immigrants—one in four of the foreign-born population nationwide. In 2011, 27% of California’s population was foreign-born, about twice the U.S. percentage. Foreign-born residents represented more than 30% of the population of seven California counties: Santa Clara, San Francisco, Los Angeles, San Mateo, Imperial, Alameda, and Orange. And half of the children in California had at least one immigrant parent.
Most immigrants in California are documented residents.
Almost half (47%) of California’s immigrants are naturalized U.S. citizens, and another 26% have some other legal status (including green cards and visas). According to the Department of Homeland Security, about 27% of immigrants in California are undocumented.
...and you still can't get a cup of coffee at Starbucks.
The best, or worst thing about this whole process is that millions upon millions have exposed their ignorance of the Constitution and the E.C.
Anyone who utters, "But Hillary won the popular vote", should be sent back to Middle School for Gov 101 class.
That liar whose treacherous testimony to the UN gave us the war in Iraq?
Hillary destroyed Lybia
No, then I'd prefer a Trump.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
Cobb County in Georgia is a strong conservative area (Tom Price represents in Congress) albeit with a decent Libertarian presence and also home of many Never-Trump voters, especially soccer-moms who would have voted for any other Republican from the primaries but could not vote for Trump.
I suspect that had Walker, Cruz, or Kasich had won the primaries, Clinton's Georgia results would look a lot more like they have in the past: very strong red state.
...we must nuke Russia immediately...
I'm so happy your candidate didn't win...
Now, please go back to the the comments section where you seem to be coming from.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
The biggest enemy of the left was the christian right they were neutralized this election by Trump.
The left is anti-war as is Trump, Hillary is very hawkish.
The left should be happy Trump won because it it was not him the next push back against left and their political correctness could have been someone much worse.
I consider myself a liberal who is tired of liberals because they would rather put labels on people than listen or learn from someone they dislike.
“Love your Enemies, for they tell you your Faults.”
If climate change is indeed caused by increasing CO2, the CO2 will increase agricultural output and will do the opposite of becoming scarce...
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
Great comment! :)
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
You forgot #5:
5. Annoy enough people with 1-4 that they vote for your opponent.
You can't even say that. The campaigns and elections were based on the rules of the Electoral College. Everyone planned their strategy for campaigning based on garnering EC votes. Voters in locked-in states made their Election Day decisions to perhaps stay home knowing their candidate had basically already won (or lost) their state.
Based on the final score of a football game played under the current rules you can't say who'd have won if 2 points were also awarded based on each first down gained, because team strategies would change based on the different rules in effect at the time of the game. If fouls in a basketball game resulted in 2 points being deducted from your team score rather than allowing the other team the chance to shoot 1+1 or 2 free throws, think the game would be played differently?
If we elected the President based on elections allocated by Congressional district one vote per district plus 2 statewide votes, think the campaigns and votes would be different? So the same is true of saying "popular vote". We don't have a "popular vote", so saying Clinton (or Gore) won the "popular vote" is not true.
It is true that when aggregating the votes across all states, that they had pluralities. But that's like saying Clinton had 658 yards of total offense (she had 68.5M votes) and Trump had 629 yards of total offense (62.9M votes), and saying she should have won. But the fact is, that despite moving the ball up and down the field somewhat better than Trump, she turned the ball over 5 times (lost 5 state that Obama carried twice) and failed to score points when it counted. Someone crying about total yards off offense is readily countered with "Scoreboard!".
If you want to play "what if" for ex post facto results, imagine "what if" we had had instant run-off, where the people who voted for Gary Johnson (4+M) and Jill Stein (1+M) and the 800k "other" voters had selected a 2nd-choice vote? How many Libertarians and Greens would have selected Trump and Clinton as their second choice? How many of those L and G votes were "protest" votes in "safe" states. Personally, I have voted Libertarian for years in Georgia confident that my L votes would never crack the Republican lock and accidentally elect a Democrat for Senate or President.
Many of which would also fuck themselves.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
We should elect the President by having the members of Congress vote? I'll just point out the Republicans have a majority in both houses...
How could she not manage to beat Trump? Trump!?
She managed to lose to the most loathsome, odious person to ever run for the office. What's that say about her?
Not much we didn't already know, she (along with Kerry, Biden...) was after all duped into voting for the Bush wars by an idiot President who couldn't walk and chew gum a the same time.
The point of a democracy is to represent people, this is why the popular vote is important. The electoral college was not designed to give one bunch of people more representation than another bunch. It was designed sensibly for a bunch of conditions present in 1776, but had sadly become obsolete by about 1800.
We are not a democracy however. We are a constitutional republic. The electoral college was designed to form "a more perfect union" and to balance states rights thereby preventing a tyranny of the majority (i.e. the popular vote). Those conditions have not changed. It is no coincidence that the number of electors is equal to the each states combined representation in congress.
In addition, the electoral college was established by the Constitutional Convention of 1787, not in 1776, and the first election was not held until 1789 which is a mere 11 years from when you say the conditions for it became obsolete (without any supporting arguments).
The more you know...
The earth is already in peril? Just gag me.
The drama has only just started.
Obama weaponized the IRS against his foes
This is a lie. More Democratic organizations were reviewed than Republican organizations because the IRS was doing a simple keyword search for targeting. The Treasury IG said the keyword-based targeting was wrong in all cases, but plenty of people spin that as being only against conservative groups. After all, that spin sells a lot of page views.
he expanded all the spying regimes
Uh, no. W did that. Some of those expansions were codified into law by Congress during Obama's term, but W did the expansion.
started killing US citizens with drones in deliberately targeted attacks
Feel free to explain how you'd extradite someone from Yemen.
and prosecuted more leakers than ever
He also had more "leakers" than ever. You can't prosecute a ton of people for leaking when only a few people were leaking.
Inasmuch as this is the most transparent administration ever, we have Wikileaks to thank for that.
Yeah, no candidate ever goes back on their campaign rhetoric.
What kind of fake news have you been watching, CNN
Not the person you were replying to, but there is exactly zero trustworthy US media now. Be it CNN or Drudge. The only way you can find out what's really happening is combining the reporting from multiple sources from multiple countries in an attempt to average-out the bias of each source.
The problem is that all but one or two of the left wing applications sailed through without a hitch, and a whole bunch of right wing groups got stuck in the IRS tar baby
Nope. The keyword-based targeting snagged more left-wing groups than right-wing.
But the claim sells a lot of page views, so it's very frequently repeated.
By every other measure Trump won in a landslide.
http://www.investors.com/polit...
Number of states won:
Trump: 30
Clinton: 20
Trump: +10
Number of electoral votes won:
Trump: 306
Clinton: 232
Trump: + 68
Ave. margin of victory in winning states:
Trump: 56%
Clinton: 53.5%
Trump: + 2.5 points
Popular vote total:
Trump: 62,958,211
Clinton: 65,818,318
Clinton: + 2.8 million
Popular vote total outside California:
Trump: 58,474,401
Clinton: 57,064,530
Trump: + 1.4 million
We are a union of independent states. You must win a preponderance of states to win the presidency. All states matter.
Just saying. It is to prevent people from importing voters to a single state. Which is also why leftists in the US have been importing and placing the immigrants into Conservative States.
CHUMP is the end of the world.
He resigned because of the threat of impeachment, which is not *quite* the same thing, in a "You can't fire me, I just quit!" sense.
[wikipedia]
In 1974, Richard Nixon, the 37th President of the United States, was in the process of being impeached by the United States House of Representatives on several charges related to the Watergate scandal. On July 27, 29, and 30, 1974, the House Judiciary Committee approved three articles of impeachment against him, for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, and contempt of Congress, and reported those articles to the House of Representatives. All of the Democrats and a third of the Republicans on the committee voted in favor of these articles against the Republican president. Two other articles of impeachment were debated but not approved.
The impeachment resolutions were never considered by the full House, as additional conversations from the Nixon White House tapes were made public and the president's political support further eroded. Nixon resigned from the presidency on August 9, 1974 before the House acted. It is widely believed that had Nixon not resigned, his impeachment by the House and removal from office by a trial of the United States Senate would have occurred.
Although the process for impeaching Nixon did not go as far as the impeachments of Andrew Johnson in 1868 and of Bill Clinton in 1998, it was the most successful in that it led to the departure from office of its target, whereas the trials of Johnson and Clinton resulted in acquittals.
Yeah, we all wondered about that. Your leaders are meant to represent the best of you.... well thats the theory.....however that barrel must be pretty damned empty cause you are scrapping the bottom of it now.
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Freedom = (Meaningful - Coerced) Choice != (Speech | Beer^2), and sad sock puppets' bad mods avail them naught.
They were not registering as political organizations. They were registering as 501(c)(4)'s, which are social welfare organizations. They are allowed to engage in political activity, but it cannot be their primary focus. Many of these organizations were created exclusively to engage in political activity. They were breaking the rules, it's not anyone's fault but theirs that they got caught.
Not really, since "themselves" are a small bunch making the decisions that don't really care if the rest of their nation bleeds. China is autocratic.
:-)
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Not only did you miss his joke entirely, you're attacking someone who appears to be nominally on your side.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
We accepted Obama. Now You accept Trump. Or move to another country, thank you.
You're making my point for me.
No, I am not. I really am not.
The dems are complaining how the electoral college is unfair and gives too much weight to small states.
Remove the partisan bias from that, it was and remains a bipartisan issue, only now do some people change their tune, but that's not going to change the problem. It could easily be a very different situation. Which is both apportionment and the Electoral College warping the political landscape, not the smaller state issue. That is only a lie people repeat without thinking.
Like you've pointed out, New Hampshire. Just another example of how their primary process gives weight to smaller states but in this case is a more extreme example.
Only happenstance is behind New Hampshire being 'First in the Nation' not it's size. The primary processors very haphazard, and formed over years of nonsense.
Just to be clear I don't think they'd actually do anything, saying electoral college is just a way for them to complain about something they know won't change.
I'm hoping a few more bogus results get everybody behind it. For most elections, it is been a meh result, as the popular vote and college winner turned out fine. It's been too rare and low key except in 1824, and that situation was complicated with other reasons. There were reforms proposed,but in different ways.
(It would be far easier to change the primary process if they really cared than the general election.)
No, it wouldn't. Too many states laws and legislatures. It isn't really a coherent system. I'd go with an overall Electoral reform, maybe trounce the whole partisan concept. That would put things into an over all reform pattern, not just the presidential level.
For one thing, I want legislature reform.
There's a lot of reasons that things have gotten this bad. Hopefully this will serve as a wake-up call to the parties, or the people.
Even autocrats have to be careful. Piss off too many of your people, and you're in deep shit. And crashing your own economy will piss off a lot of people, and some of them will have a lot more power than the average peasant.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
Not that there's anything wrong with legal immigrants living in California or anywhere else they chose to live, but I do wish California would make a significant effort to prevent *illegal* aliens from voting in US elections. Yes, yes..."There's no proof illegal aliens voted..." but that's at least partly because asking anyone to prove they are entitled to vote (and I might add, a valid, legal resident of the district in which they are attempting to vote) is somehow racist.
Yes, yes, this is all part of the effort to delegitimize California because they don't use bureaucratic obstruction to keep people from voting, but have an office to do it for people without the hassle of making individuals cut the red tape.
You just believe it because it must be true to fulfill your worldview, you can't accept that Trump did so poorly in California, and regardless of evidence, you just can't get it through your head that it isn't happening on any large scale. Even on the small scale, it probably influences elections less than the machinations in other states.
But you just believe it without any proof. Well, fine then, protest and challenge every representative and senator from California. Demand investigations. Go for it.
"Which, of course, explains why he's hired complete lap dogs like General "Mad Dog" Mattis. Mattis is well-known for his soft-spoken manner, desire to "go along to get along" and his political finesse. The troops hate him and his military record is a joke."
Please cite some sources, because I've had several Marines tell me how great his is.
Just another day in Paradise
The latter is caused by the former and wouldn't have occurred if I had caught the joke.
:)
I'm so sorry now...
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
that should be on a billboard
And that scraggly miserable cunt won't be in the White House either. Win-win for America!
You are right. California is such a statistical outlier that it does provoke scepticism over voting.
If only they had some way to prove legitimacy, then there wouldn't be a question mark over the disparity.
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You know why she lost
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You forget that some of them have already been involved in crashing their own economy earlier. Mao didn't do it alone. It was a long time ago but some of the ruling members of the party had relatively high levels of responsibility in the 1970s or even 1960s.
All the drama about recounts and "renegade electors" meant that Hillary Clinton lost three times. Which is great.
Too bad that meant Donald Trump won three itimes.
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
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You must use a lot of tissues
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Now on video. Hope you liked it, which must be the case, since it reflects your desires
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No, I am not. I really am not.
Actually you are. The big complaint about the electoral college is that it weighs certain states more heavily than others. (Swing states) The primary process also has a similar issue but there are now they're caused by two issues. Swing states are still an issue but voting order is now another issue. Doing badly early in say Iowa and New Hampshire can knock out a candidate that might have been stronger later on which would give those states more political power. (Neither of which is a large state.) By the time California gets around to voting in June its effect is effectively meaningless even though it has the most delegates because the contest is effectively over.
Yes I realize the chances that this will be changed are near zero but still easier, or actually a better way to say it would be less difficult than actually changing the electoral process. (I mean other than that end round with the electoral college compact.) I say that because again it's easier to get one side to make a change to how they do things than changing the electoral system which would require congress and state legislatures and the votes of both republicans and democrats to get it to happen. Of course I'm also not one to call the electoral college result "bogus" since both sides knew the rules of the game and played it according to the rules. (Calling it bogus because "oh popular vote is the real vote" is another lie people repeat without thinking. I mean unless you think campaigning doesn't work.)
Did you know 80 to 90% of the moderators on slashdot wouldn't recognize a troll even if one dragged them under a bridge.
since damn near every armchair politico questions the need for a strong federal government. But as for indoctrination, the only one I got in Public School was non-stop love for capitalism, to the point where if competing economic systems were even discussed it was only in regards to the horrors they caused. Noone ever questioned if National Socialists and Democratic Socialist were different things, ya know. I bet you haven't either.
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You lost, and will keep on doing so. The party is your reflection
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Your responses explain it perfectly
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Your childish little game is a failure.
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And checking it twice. Thanks again for being so revealing to the whole world, a petulant little troll
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The cops should keep an eye on you
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This guy is a molester
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It's all you ever amount to
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There obviously should be.
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Such stamina!
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We know what you're doing right now
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Whacking off in front of the whole world
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