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8,000 New US Jobs? Trump Takes Credit For Sprint, Startup Decisions (usatoday.com)
President-elect Donald Trump has announced that Sprint is moving 5,000 offshore jobs back to the United States and OneWeb, a satellite Internet startup, is adding 3,000 more jobs in the U.S. From a report on USA Today: The jobs were made possible, Trump said, through Softbank CEO Masayoshi Son, a Japanese billionaire and technology investor, who met with Trump in New York earlier this month. After that meeting, the two businessmen announced Softbank would invest $50 billion in the U.S. and create 50,000 jobs. Softbank owns 80% of Sprint and this month it invested $1 billion in OneWeb, a venture that intends to offer affordable Internet access. Son called the investment a "first step" in his commitment to Trump.
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
Those 5K jobs were part of a previous announcement from before Trump was elected.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-sprint-jobs-233019
Yeah just wait for the details to come in on this one. I'm sure it will be like the announcement that he saved Ford jobs, only to find out that the company had planned that over a year ago and it had nothing to do with Trump. Or like the Carrier announcement, where he claimed credit for jobs that were never being eliminated, and the rest of them have the big asterisk that Carrier is going to invest millions of dollars which we later discovered were going mostly to automation to eventually replace most of the jobs that were just "saved"
Politicians are self-promoters and they take credit for things other people did.
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
That's pretty much what the guardian is reporting.
Lol....apparently I hadn't been keeping up on the latest news, because after reading other replies, apparently this is exactly what has already come out.
Replying to myself. From 2015:
"Sprint to hire 5,000 as it hand-delivers new phones nationwide"
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/technology/article18230624.html
Taking credit for a move that had already been planned for over a year makes you happy?
For the love of Crom, am I the only one here who wants to keep the U.S. technologically competitive?
You've been impressed by him taking credit for a bunch of stuff that he mostly had absolutely nothing to do with? I guess you are easily impressed.
They've already asked, it was already announced, they've already admitted it was part of the already announced spending.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/12/28/trump-isnt-responsible-for-sprint-bringing-5-000-jobs-to-the-us/
"When I reached out to a Sprint spokeswoman asking if the announcement was a direct result of working with Trump or part of a pre-existing deal, she copy and pasted the press release I'd sent along with my first email. I responded saying I already had the press release and asked again if this was a direct result of working with Trump or part of a pre-existing deal in place. I tagged Sprint in a tweet about the situation, and it wasn't until after that started getting retweeted that the spokesperson responded...."This is part of the 50,000 jobs that Masa previously announced," she said."
I'm afraid Trump is very gullible and very needy. They can tell him anything and he'll fall for it like a child.
Every political leader throughout the history of time tries to take credit for anything good that happens. This is not news. It should not be on slashdot. The only reason it is here is because Trump is a polarizing figure that gets people riled up.
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations, is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind. If Trump keeps those sanctions, his wish of normalizing relations w/ Russia are successfully sabotaged. If he lifts them, Dems can - like their CorrectTheRecord trolls here - claim that Trump is a puppet.
Seriously, I know his term doesn't end until Jan 20th, but this is not the time to start anything new, unless your successor is on board w/ it, and for these 2 policies, he knows that Trump is not. Yet, first he brought this resolution before the security council and it's now international law, and now he's gonna put sanctions on Russia so that his party comrades can assail Trump.
Trump should simply undo every executive order signed since November 8th, and make it clear that none of those things - like the nationalization of the Utah park or sealing off the Arctic - is gonna happen unless and until reviewed by his own administration. He is under no obligations to continue Obama's petulant policies
Uh, Ford had originally planned to move out of Louisville, KY, but after the election, called him to let him know that they reversed course. If that was something that was determined a year earlier, why would they wait until now to break that news, and why then bother telling Trump anything if they weren't planning such a move in the first place?
A politician saying something that's not the whole truth? Inconceivable!
It will be a race to the bottom for Americans to lower their standard of living faster than China, India, Pakistan, Indonedia and Vietnam.
He's also telegraphed every company that the way to be on his good book is jobs... At least, from now on, whenever a company downsizes, it would be b'cos they're actually struggling, not b'cos they want to shave operational costs by moving offshore
Hey moron! Trump got the 5000 jobs to stay in America. The majority of them were going overseas.
Hey moron! you don't know what you're talking about.
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations, is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind. If Trump keeps those sanctions, his wish of normalizing relations w/ Russia are successfully sabotaged. If he lifts them, Dems can - like their CorrectTheRecord trolls here - claim that Trump is a puppet.
Normalizing? You mean like saying the Russians didn't try to influence the election?
Like telling everyone how great Putin is?
Like ignoring when Russia decides to take over the rest of Ukraine?
You're both morons, but a good deal of the jobs were headed overseas. They aren't "good" jobs, customer service and sales jobs. My guess is the tasty programming/IT jobs are still headed overseas.
This is kind of our own fault. We're the ones who vote for POTUS based on how we feel the economy is doing, when there's very little evidence the POTUS has any significant effect on that whatsoever. (In actuality, its probably much like being a coach. A good one can't really help all that much, but it is possible for a bad one to royally screw things up)
If the economy is going to be our metric for how a President is doing, and there's no objective statistical backing for it, its only natural to expect that one would cynically use bogus statistics to pump himself up. Don't hate the player, hate the game.
Normalizing? You mean like saying the Russians didn't try to influence the election?
Influence the election? You mean like telling the truth about a corrupt politician?
Normalizing, as in talking to Putin and determining where they have areas of common interest, and where they have differences. The Wikileaks stuff was something Assange got from a Democrat insider, like maybe Seth Rich, who was found dead in a DC park. They've specifically said that Russia is not who provided them the material
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations, is now gonna impose sanctions on Russia to put Trump in a bind.
Good.
He is under no obligations to continue Obama's petulant policies
Yeah, because being the most petulant person ever to win the office, I'm sure he has his own policies to think about.
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
So it's the exact opposite of the UN vote on Israel? That Obama's trying to say he had nothing to do with it, but behind the scenes he orchestrated the whole thing?
(And that UN resolution on Israel pretty much guarantees that there will be no peace - the Palestinians weren't negotiating in good faith before - they've never recognized Israel's right to exist. Why would the Palestinians accept a two-state solution when naifs like Obama keep handing them things? The de facto Palestinian position is to wipe Israel off the map - literally. AKA genocide. And remember - they'll celebrate the deaths of kafirs...)
Or like the Carrier announcement, where he claimed credit for jobs that were never being eliminated
Where did you hear that? These jobs were going to be moved to Mexico:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
If you post as Anonymous Coward, don't expect a reply.
if you haven't noticed Trump doesn't care what trolls think, he just does what he wants, so neither should you worry about it. Let the whiners whine.
why stop at November 8th?
you idiots have already made it clear that you don't think the last year of the presidency counts, or hell, even all 8 years of it, questioning and denying the legitimacy of his powers since before he took office.
f all y'all morons.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Those 5K jobs were part of a previous announcement from before Trump was elected.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/trump-sprint-jobs-233019
Just imagine for when Trump gets his twitter bot code back from the Indian shop! Maybe they will even make it go directly to the presidential alert feed that can't be turned off!
Great News. I just $good_thing_exaggerated_or misrepresented. Cheer my greatness.
Sad News. $bad_thing.ToUpperCase() is yet more of the legacy left behind by the $blame_list_decorated[rand()].ToInsultLevel($degree_of_distraction_required).
That's not really the point though.... companies expanding in US will be good guys and companies doing the opposite bad. Just reinforcing the narrative.
love is just extroverted narcissism
I don't think those 5,000 jobs hand-delivering cellphones announced in 2015 are the same jobs being announced at the end of 2016.
The 2015 announcement is a possible number of jobs as a pilot program grows out of Kansas City.
The 2016 announcement is a transfer of 5,000 existing jobs located outside the US into America.
One is about new jobs, the other is about existing (mostly call center?) jobs back into America.
The only two things these reports have in common is the employer (Sprint) and the number of jobs (5,000)... Is Sprint still planning to hand-deliver cellphones nation-wide? It's been well over a year since they announced plans to do this nation-wide, but I've never heard about it.
Ken
And how many thousand jobs were lost during that time? We have a GE maintenance facility around the corner that will close up shop soon leaving about 100 unemployed. Did anyone see Trump flying in to save those jobs? Before anyone can take credit for anything the net gain is important. Besides that, the Obama administration put the economy in about the best state it could be in after the economic disaster that Bush left. Especially when it comes to unemployment (and no matter how one counts it), it won't get much better.
nameless faceless sources....like the director of the CIA, the head of the DIA, and the head of the NSA.
also, do you think the CIA just burns their sources in Russia so quickly?
or did you not realize that the evidence would itself reveal who those assets are?
read the news, the real news, for once in your life and you'd know why these agencies are being slow to write their report; it has to be done without also tipping their hand to Russia as to how they know.
and again: I am so glad we're more concerned with some DNC emails that showed office staff being office staff, more than we are with electing the most unqualified man to run for office, an admitted sexual assaulter, scam artist, and general nincompoop. we really dodged a bullet there.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
I haven't read anything beyond the article but I don't see where Trump is taking credit. He just describes a sequence of events and talking up a company investing in US jobs.
love is just extroverted narcissism
You mean like telling the truth about a corrupt politician?
Didn't work.
He got elected anyway.
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
I think onshoring has been a trend for a while now.
What I've been noticing about Chinese goods made by Chinese companies versus Western-branded goods made in China is that while you can still get absolute junk for dirt cheap from the Chinese companies, medium- to higher-end goods from Chinese and Western companies is becoming on par in terms of quality and price. In some cases Chinese companies offer a thing that no Western company offers. That's right, actual innovation. For example, my wooden alarm clock/Bluetooth speaker with Qi and USB charging. No Western company offers anything like that. And it costs what you would expect to pay, closer to $100. The better stuff from China nowadays is not a copy of a Western product, and it commands a price premium. What I'm saying, in other words, is that China is making the same transition that Japan made. China will coexist with Japan and the West and focus on the higher end. What's concerning to me is that economic success seems to be making China more authoritarian, although the Chinese people are great at poking holes through to the West. Perhaps the political situation in China will take care of itself.
As such, as did the Japanese, I would expect the Chinese to bring factories online in the US. There is no substitute for the cheap junk, but as Japan learned there is not much profit in it either. The good stuff like automobiles, you manufacture in the United States, and you employ Americans. Trump gets credit, everybody is happy, but it was the best decision purely in terms of the numbers.
I swear the man using me as a pawn isn't using me as a pawn.
Trust me.
Also, does anyone else remember the time so long ago, like, about a year ago, maybe a tad more, where the GOP was all "Obama gotta bomb Russia cause UKRAINE, and show them he isn't a weak Russia lover!"
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Don't worry, this doesn't even come close to being the most contentious transition of power in US history. When Thomas Jefferson was elected, the Federalists spent the next couple months of a lame-duck session of Congress creating extra layers of judiciary and packing the bench with Federalists in an attempt to minimize the amount of change the Democratic Republicans could do. Needless to say, that extra layer of Federal judges has since been removed, and the Federalists no longer exist.
Abstaining from a UN resolution saying that Israel isn't being nice, combined with a mealy-mouthed speech from the Secretary of State pales in comparison.
Slashdot still doesnâ(TM)t support Unicode after it was added to the HTML standard in 1997.
SoftBank revealed its plans for increased U.S. investment using a fund backed by Saudi Arabia in October — before Trump won the White House
Here's the Softbank announcement on the establishment of the fund. Perhaps you could point out where in the document the details of a US investment of $50 billion dollars and 50,000 US jobs appears?
Well, you can't because the details were only hammered out when Son met Trump in Dec.
And once again the Clinton Crime Family conspiracy gets spunk . You have zero evidence for the claim
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I don't know what happened in the phone calls between Trump and the executives who control Sprint, who has has worked with before. I do know that just because they were considering a move like this, that doesn't mean discussions with Trump didn't figure into the ultimate decision and announcement. In fact, if I were Sprint (and even actually being the head of a tiny company), I often wouldn't finalize major decisions during a presidential campaign. A year ago, Sprint / Softbank knew that the political and regulatory environment in the US might make a major change either way.
Heck a year ago Bernie Sanders was polling almost as high as Clinton. There was a real chance that Bernie Sanders, the self-described socialist, would be sworn in as president before Sprint opened the US facility. So Sprint was trying to decide where to build the facility, not knowing if they'd be subject to regulations and tax policy from either Sanders, Clinton, trump, or possibly someone else. It wouldn't surprise me at all if the final decision to press "Go" was influenced was a) Trump winning and b) Trump's discussions with them, assuring them that the new president will appreciate the value of jobs, not just at Sprint, but jobs related to the Sprint facility - the cafe where the workers eat lunch, etc.
that's what I think of when I see these stories (read: 1984). That's what 1984 was really about: Manipulating information to oppress people (specifically television).
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Who promised the Rusdian leaders he'd have more 'flexibility' after his re-election? President Obama.
Who mocked claims that Russia posed the greatest threat to America? President Obama.
Who famously attempted to 'reset' relations with Russia, with comic results? Secretary of State Clinton.
You can act like random tweets from the campaign trail are meaningful, that's your right, but the above were all done by our elected/appointed officials while in office.
Ken
This would be the same CIA that claimed that Iraq had WMDs?
The Obama administration took credit for jobs that weren't lost - an essentially made up metric they added to jobs created to claim credit for jobs 'created or saved'... I never heard that metric before Obama was in office, had you?
Ken
I don't think those 5,000 jobs hand-delivering cellphones announced in 2015 are the same jobs being announced at the end of 2016.
You're right, they aren't the same. They probably never materialized in the US, or they were shipped overseas because in November of 2015 Sprint announced thousands of jobs would be cut.
Sprint Forced to Cut Thousands of Jobs
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/11/10/sprint-forced-to-cut-thousands-of-jobs.aspx
And every GOP presidential candidate fell by the wayside against Trump. Russia was a very hot topic in the GOP debates, w/ Trump supported only by Rand Paul on Russia, while most of the other candidates supported being tough on Russia. GOP voters had their own ideas about who's the bigger enemy - Russia, or Obama's beloved Muslims
there was only one politician running last election and it wasn't Trump.
"I am so glad we're more concerned with some DNC emails that showed office staff being office staff, "
Yeah... that's all it was. No attempts to try and get Trump to be the nominee because the DNC didn't feel Clinton beat many of the others... no attempts to sabotage Sanders campaign in various ways. Nobody from CNN provided debate questions to Clinton... Just office staff being office staff.
"nameless faceless sources....like the director of the CIA, the head of the DIA, and the head of the NSA.
also, do you think the CIA just burns their sources in Russia so quickly?
or did you not realize that the evidence would itself reveal who those assets are?"
Except Wikileaks -- who LEADED the emails says they didn't get those from the Russians.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...
How come Giuliani and Christie didn't end up in his cabinet in positions they liked, if that was all it took? How was it that Romney was seriously considered for the #1 job in the cabinet? And how did Trump consider other serious opponents, like Carly?
GOP Definitions: "Creating jobs":
Keeping jobs that already exist in the US, in the US.
synonymous with: bullc*ap
The guy who said the election was rigged won the presidency with the second-most votes.
Companies can avoid Trump's wrath by spreading out the downsizing. They can fire a few dozen this week, and a few dozen next week, rather than a thousand all at once. They just need to keep it below the radar.
A better long-term solution is to hire fewer Americans in the first place. That way you don't suffer a political backlash if it doesn't work out.
Thanks to Donald Trump, the Chicago Cubs won the 2016 World Series #ThanksDonald.
You are welcome on my lawn.
... says the AC troll. Are you guys paid to do this kind of shit, or do you think it's funny?
I don't respond to AC's.
He is a politician now but before the election he most certainly was not. Are you that thick to not understand this basic concept? Let me help you out: What political office did he hold before November 8th? Idiot.
So we'll say "Thanks Thump" when anything good happens, like we did the "Thanks Obama" when something bad happened?
My ice cream cone melted and fell on the sidewalk. Thanks Obama...
the Palestinians weren't negotiating in good faith before - they've never recognized Israel's right to exist.
Because Israeli policies are so focused towards a two-state policy. Except they keep building heavily fortified and armed Jewish-only settlements on Palestinian land (these settlers are armed by the Israeli government and are afforded practical immunity for killings of Palestinians), have cracked down on elected Arab members of the Knesset (and also passed a law that allows them to be expelled from the Knesset by a 2/3 vote), deny Palestinian building permits and access to reliable water and electricity, and will shoot dead teenagers who throw rocks at armored vehicles.
But in all fairness, Israel and Palestine really are true "co-belligerents", but since the leaders of both sides need the status quo to remain in power the possibility of both sides negotiating in good faith is extremely small. At this point any solution that doesn't involve the eradication or expulsion of one side will have to be enforced. With emphasis on "force".
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
I'm just astounded at the number of folks on Slashdot pointing out "these things have been long time in the works, Trump played no part in this!" That's some USA Today level commenting. Yes, we all know, anything good and the President-elect takes credit, anything bad and the President-elect places blame on the current President. This play is about as old as all get out.
If anyone is on here stating the obvious thinking they somehow are revealing the lie, well my assumption is that the Slashdot users are a little more intelligent to not fall for the "look at what I did" game. If there's anything to note about this, is that it is starting to look like the majority of jobs that Trump aims to "bring back" to the USA are going to be low waged, we're missing one piece in the automation process, jobs that aren't going to on large scales do much for the economy. In order for Trump to make good on the infrastructure changes that he's aiming for and the tax cuts that he's aiming for, he's banking on 4% GDP growth (Note - From rightest leaning website I could find carrying it.) for every year he's in office. You can head over here to see what's been the going rate of change. You'll see lots of ups and downs that average over a year's span don't come out to 4%, ever.
If the old Trumpster fire thinks he's going to get to his goal with repeating over and over the 8000 of jobs that are being indicated here, he's dead wrong. They're jobs, yes. However they do not pay enough, to move the needle much. Even if this was repeated every day dude was in office. Just to note, that Carrier deal that Trump thumps, I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt and call it 1000, we'd need roughly five of those per day for every day he's in office for the next four years to reach the GDP growth he's aiming for, if we strictly keep it to trying to grow the economy.
This would be the same CIA that claimed that Iraq had WMDs?
No. That CIA existed in the early 2000's. This CIA is almost a generation later.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
i look forward to january 20...
He is a politician now but before the election he most certainly was not. Are you that thick to not understand this basic concept? Let me help you out: What political office did he hold before November 8th? Idiot.
He became a politician when he threw his hat in the ring in 2015. He became a successful politician in 2016. Do you not understand this basic concept?
His training ground on how to lie effectively and influence people was as a CEO.
His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
This is a disingenuous argument, so let me do you a solid and explain why so you can stop embarassing yourself. Bush had already decided to invade Iraq and the CIA report was cherry-picked to seem to legitimize his bias. SRC: http://www.rand.org/content/da...
Shovel ready never happened as Obama admitted...
The stimulus was too small, it should have been two to three times bigger. States were allowed to use the money for other things than "shovel ready" jobs.
Look, you can debate how deep a recession would have been without any particular set of policies. But this isn't an "up for debate" issue. The move was planned. There is no ground whatsoever to take credit for it.
For the love of Crom, am I the only one here who wants to keep the U.S. technologically competitive?
Announcing intent to run a campaign to become a politician is the same as being a politician? Running a campaign to get elected is now the same as being elected?
If I apply for a job does that make me employed? Or does that make me a prospective employee?
If I go to school for science does that make me a scientist? Or does it make me a prospective scientist?
If I announce my candidacy for political office does that make me a politician? Or does it make me a prospective politician?
You never felt hope after Obama pulled the economy out of another Great Depression that, like the Great Depression in 1930's, resulted from failed Republican policies? I feel sorry for you.
High number of users/low bandwidth is what every provider does. TWC, Comcast, they oversubscribe their bandwidth 100:1.
Transmitters these days are very cheap for really long range, you can easily get 10 km transmitters and a number of receivers sub-$5k. Sprint bought enough bandwidth and can even convert some old analog systems to increase bandwidth.
A good WISP is often better than the traditional cable/DSL providers, you get better bandwidth, better customer service and often don't have any transfer rate.
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Obama has also taken fewer vacation days than most recent presidents; although it's a bit of a weird concept. All presidents still work a ton on these vacations. So instead of "vacation", much of it is "same job, different scenery". There are lots of records that prove all this, for all presidents.
That's just something I don't get. Investing USD 1 million in something and then creating just a single job in the process?! It's as if there's at least a zero wrong somewhere.
and will shoot dead teenagers who throw rocks at armored vehicles.
If dead teenagers are throwing rocks at armored vehicles then I strongly support not only shooting them but decapitating them and burning the zombie corpses. The last thing that area needs is a zombie apocalypse.
Sort of, only completely different. One is actually enthusiastically taking credit, and the other was a gaffe. Trump explicitly took credit for this deal, and has since on separate occasions repeated taking credit. Gore said a one-time minor gaffe in wording ("During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.") during an interview answering a question that had him rolling off a list of his domestic initiatives history. He was trying to talk about the so-called Gore-bill that funded computing research and technology in 1991. That bill that Gore got through congress helped to pay for the development of Mosaic, the first web-browser and precursor to Netscape Navigator. So yeah, if not for that money, we might all be using that goofy French Minitel system and everything would be glued to the phone company.
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
He became a politician when he threw his hat in the ring in 2015. He became a successful politician in 2016.
By that argument, he became a politician long before 2015.
His first attempt to run for the presidency was in 2000, when he sought the nomination of the Reform Party. In fact, he toyed with the idea of running for president at least as early as 1987.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Some companies failed. Other companies were Tesla Motors, and solar roofs, and the first US nuclear power plant in decades. And even the companies that did end up failing, they still gave lots of Americans jobs in fields like research, engineering, logistics, and management even if they didn't turn out to be life-long careers. The nonviable ventures are _supposed_ to fold; and you tend to only know which venture is nonviable by spending money and doing research. I'm not saying it was the greatest job creator or greatest environmental effort ever pushed by a president, but it was a more fruitful effort than you're describing.
You are a moron, just for the record.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Get a right winger on the court, then have the other justices call her out for being senile. Get it done before the next election cycle.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Mother Jones is as credible as Stormfront. Echo chamber for a fringe.
John McAfee 'It was like that time I hired that Bangkok prostitute; to do my taxes, while I fucked my accountant'
Your hatred is all over that statement.
If I have hated you, I wouldn't have felt sorry for you.
Thank you for proving my point!
What point would that be?
Trump is taking credit, but he had nothing to do with it, the investment in question has been in the works for a long time.
My take: the companies in question are letting him take credit for it. They want to be on his good side. And the way to be on Trump's good side entails the following: (1) be obsequious to him; and (2) bring celebrities. One out of two doesn't hurt.
If it weren't for deadlines, nothing would be late.
Ah, name calling... clearly the classiest way to show that someone else is wrong.
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
They planned to move one line to Mexico, but not eliminate any jobs in the US (expanding production on another line).
Do you have any evidence that CorrectTheRecord ever paid people to visit slashdot? Even assuming they did, why would they be still operating this far past the election?
Seems you're just in denial that people would have opinions different from yours without being paid for it.
Minimization is the opposite of hyperbole. There are two extremes held by liberals, almost at the same time, for every position Trump takes. Here, I'll give you my latest discovery ....
Trumpism: "Make America Great Again"
Liberal: "America was never great!!!" (Minimization)
Same LIberal, five minutes later: "America was always great!!!!" (Hyperbole)
A liberal can hold both views at the same time, without even knowing it. The views come out depending on topic. In each case above, if it is something they don't like "Never Great!!!", if it is something they do like "Always Great!!!"
Once you realize that their opinions are fully dependent on the cause they are supposedly supporting, it all starts to make sense. A professor berates and verbally abuses Trump's Daughter on a plane ... meh. A professor says they don't support Abortion and "TEHY MUST BE FIRED!!!!" (sic)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Yeah, these are the same powers liberals fear in Trump, and will spend the next odd years "questioning and denying the legitimacy of his powers since before he took office". You know, kinda like they are doing now.
Don't act like your side is better than the other side, they both fucking suck.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Here is the actual list of all his golfing .... http://obamagolfcounter.com/
It is pretty long list.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Your sarcasm doesn't erase the fact that you immediately twisted my statement into a "Obama lovers vs. Trump lovers" type of statement.
That your interpretation, not mine.
That you and others of your type think you're being smug and insightful, but that everything you spew out is about hatred, polarized viewpoints, and about bullying those who you don't see eye to eye with.
I'm going to assert my opinion. You don't like it isn't my concern. If you feel like I'm bullying you, you need professional help.
I looked at your post history.
Then you know that I love trolling the trolls on Slashdot to keep me amuse while waiting for a script to finish at work.
You continue to prove my point with every response.
That's because you're closed minded. Nothing I post will change your mind. But I do appreciate your attempts to me amuse.
I'm confused. Surely the Republicans believe in the free market, which means companies should be able to do whatever the fuck they want.
Because anything else is cormanizzum, death panels and being obliged to make pink cakes for raving mincers.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Not any longer, ever since Trump figured out the Republican voters didn't believe Republican economic theory further than they could spit a two-headed rat. And as it turns out, the Republicans in Congress were only spouting it because it sounded good at the time. Now it sounds good to suck up a lying sack of shit, they recognized him as one of their own.
Tell you what, as soon as Trump says something that is true, then we'll give him plaudits for saying it.
I don't think Trump's term has started yet, but still he's credited for personally saving jobs which is something no president has any real power over. But everyone likes to shrink down the terms of office: can't take action just before a congressional break, or during a break, or just before midterm elections, or just after midterm elections when the lame ducks are still there, or during the holidays, or on a Tuesday, ...
Hey morons! "Moron" is a medical term for which none of you qualifies.
This has been your pedantic post for the day. Also I, too, had nothing of value to add and just wanted to get in on the moronic thread.
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult.
You are a politician if you are running for office, and even if you lose. When one is in office, ideally the politics should stop and the governing should begin.
I guess, when I apply for a job I am an employee. Not a prospective employee.
I thought you had to hold a political office to be a politician like being employed to be an employee.
Words have meaning.
BTW, I think it speak volumes that you cannot find other work-related things to do while waiting for your scripts to run.
I'm involved in an all day chat group while running scripts, responding to tickets and commenting on Slashdot. If someone needs my assistance, I'm immediately available. I'm the top performer in my department.
The gaurdian has tons of credibility, especially after the Snowden revelations. They certainly have more credibility than an anon poster who thinks they are pro Islamic? Where you you people get this drivel from?
From led-tainted water and a lifetime of supersized freedom fries cooked on bald eagle oil.
Multiple meanings.
https://www.merriam-webster.co...
Lots of politicians never run for any elected office. Any General Officer got there by being a pretty damn good politician, the officers that aren't good politicians never make it past LT Colonel.
If you hold an elected office then you are an Incumbent.
Yes, but the point is over the fact that Trump has never held political office. That was a strength for Trump in this last election as much as being a politician was a weakness for Clinton. If you want to argue the semantics of definitions I concede to your dictionary definitions but that doesn't undermine the point of my original post.
The fact is Trump was a not a politician until this election cycle. If I had added that one word 'cycle' it would have made the statement more accurate but does not undermine my original point. There was one politician running for POTUS and it wasn't Trump. To say otherwise is disingenuous.
What is unknowable? It was pretty much on the record that Trump and Paul were for working w/ Russia where possible, while the others, like Rubio, Fiorina, Graham and Bush were opposed. Then there was Cruz, whose stance on Russia was unstated.
If you are referring to my comment on Obama, his actions last few days on the Palis, and his denunciation of the Assad regime while turning a blind eye to human rights abuses by Jihadi forces like the Free Syrian Army - which drove Christians out of Aleppo when they first captured the city - pretty much prove that the goodwill of Muslims is closest to his heart.
Trump has always been about dealmaking, and getting Moscow to stop its operations in the Donbass in return for Kyiv recognizing the Crimea as a part of Russia is a good start.
Not just China, but it's also a good idea to form a partnership w/ Russia and isolate Muslim powers in the Middle East - be it Saudi Arabia, Turkey or Iran.
Breaking into computer systems is something anybody w/ the knowledge of network security can do: it doesn't require a state action in the same way that slipping polonium tablets into somebody's chai would be. Which is why Trump's statement that a 400lb guy in his mom's basement could have done the job
Remember how Ed Snowden spoke up in support of the Clinton's when Trump questioned how Comey could have reviewed those documents so quickly. Why would he do that if Russia had an interest in Trump's win, when we know that they control him more than they control Assange
You indeed are a world class cretin
Yeah, Obama was elected for 8 years, and he's still the president. But on November 8th, voters did NOT vote for him. They would have voted either for Clinton or Trump. Even if Clinton had won, he'd still have been expected to get a buy in from her, since she was the chosen one, and then execute on it. In fact, everybody knows that had Clinton won, all he would be doing would be transitioning. But since Trump won, and he's still bitter about the birther saga, he's doing a payback by pulling off moves that Trump would be forced to either endorse or reverse. Which Trump will reverse, since he's on record as being opposed.
As a reference, neither of the Bushes did anything like it when they passed on power to Bill Clinton or Obama. Even Bill Clinton did nothing like it, even though juvenilles in his office removed the 'W's off keyboards. In fact, that stunt looks pretty graceful compared to the shit that Obama's been pulling off
A couple of things. First of all, the election was NOT hacked, since most voting machines were NOT connected to the internet. The thing that has Democrats in a cow is DNC emails being hacked and leaked, so that the voting public saw the REAL picture of the top people in both the DNC and around Clinton - be it Debbie Wasserman Schultz, Donna Brazille, John Podesta, Jennifer Palmieri, et al. Things like the DNC rigging their own primaries to sabotage Sanders, the condescending opinions of Clinton's inner circles about Catholics, the posts about Sanders being Jewish vs Atheist, et al gave voters information about how ugly the Dems were in the inside, and that may have swayed opinion of anybody who didn't yet know. But if it had the effect Dems claim, Clinton should have been wiped out in the elections, as opposed to winning the popular vote.
The other thing is that since Trump has been elected, any new moves taken by the president that has lasting effects beyond Jan 20 should have had Trump's buy-in. Let HIS administration decide what the appropriate response is. Similarly, there was no reason to pull in the UN vote - that could have been done after Obama left. But he knew that had he done that, no resolution would have been brought in, since they'd have known that it would be vetoed, so he decided to rig this so that the Israelis would be in violation of international law.
Like it or not, Trump is the one who has been elected, and just as Obama got to do what he wanted the last 8 years, it's up to Trump to do what he promised. And he'll reverse the last few fiats by Obama and toss them into a Kenyan trashcan
The resolution doesn't state that 'Israel isn't being nice': it states that Israel is expected to dismantle all settlements not only outside the pre-1967 borders, but in the Jewish quarter of Jerusalem as well. It has a lot more teeth than is understood, which is why the new discussion is about de-fanging and de-funding the UN
Yeah, you missed all the CorrectTheRecord signed posts that were frequently posted here
Dear AC, its impossible to tell if you are sarcastic or not. I'm flipping back and forth.
Your ad here. Ask me how!
There were 1,750 people at the Carrier plant (and another 700 at their nearby plant that makes electronic components). 1,400 jobs from the Carrier plant (and all 700 from the other) were slated to go to Mexico. 350 people were slated to stay behind, mostly R&D types. As a result of Pence's $7MM bribe, 800 jobs stayed in Indiana. 1,300 still went to Mexico (600 from Carrier, 700 from the nearby plant).
The fuzzy math is that Trump focusing on the Carrier plant says "They were planning to move 1,400 jobs, and now they're keeping 1,150 jobs." This makes it sound like he saved most of the jobs. In reality, he's counting the 350 people who were never leaving as staying, but not counting them in the "out of" group.
This type of deception can be made apparent if you consider a company planning on shipping half its jobs overseas. Let's say its a 100,000 person company, because that makes numbers easy. I talk to the CEO. Then I announce "They were going to ship 50,000 jobs overseas, but after talking with Joe, I can assure you that there will still be 50,000 good jobs here for years to come" and having it reported on like I saved a town when nothing changed.
BTW, sources on my numbers were your wikipedia link.
Your ad here. Ask me how!
Yes, since it is an act of becoming a person who works in politics.
Sober up and you'll remember.
Yes, which is why all that "I'm not one of them" stuff rang hollow.
Ask your Dad, Reagan played the same silly game AFTER being a State Governor for a few years.
I very much doubt there were any. People in politics like to jump on good news and pretend they were involved.
Ah well it's helpful that they sign them. Must not be around much these days.
This page hasn't been updated since last year. Beyond that, the list is exactly as long as I said it was....
The pro-Islamic comment was complete claptrap.
However, The Guardian lost credibility after Snowden, and after they were forced to destroy some hard drives in front of GCHQ personnel.
Glenn Grenwald caught them lying, distorting and dissembling just recently.
"The Guardian’s Summary of Julian Assange’s Interview Went Viral and Was Completely False"
https://theintercept.com/2016/...
USB, USB, USB!
Neat.
Neet.
there was only one politician running last election and it wasn't Trump.
True. Both parties were challenged by the people's desire for something other than yet another corrupt politician. On the Democrat side where the challenger lost, they tried getting rid of the corrupt part. On the republican side where the challenger one, they got rid of the politician part. Of course, now he is a poltician, with the highest post in the land, and there untested and with no experience.
. On the Democrat side where the challenger lost,
I wish they didn't lose that particular fight. :(
No, Obama, having created a problem for US-Israel relations,...
Somehow, I hardly think that abstaining from a vote of the UN security council where everybody else, including all the other permanent members voted in favor, is hardly the Obama and the US creating a problem. Perhaps if it had been a contentious, highly split vote, but in this case, it's pretty much a polite notice that Israel is creating a problem for the US with the rest of the world. Settlements are not part of Israeli security and just a land grab by what seems to obviously be a strong faction of Israeli politics that has no interest in peace.
I thought that the counterpart to Alt-Right was Ctrl-Left - all taken from the keys of our keyboards
Not just that - but that Liberals today exhibit even a greater hostility to the Russians that Conservatives displayed towards the Soviets. Only that they want to follow it up w/ pinpricks - target only Putin and his inner circle, but not touch the Russian people.
Given this surgical policy which is impossible to execute, Trump's preference - regardless of what the Russians may have done - makes sense.
You are right - presidents don't have real power over jobs. However, in this case, Trump has personally gotten involved in lobbying CEOs not to move operations overseas, or to hire more people within the US. That does change the complexion of the game here.
No, this vote was instigated by the US, according to what the Israelis have discovered. Initially, the State Department worked w/ Egypt to draft the resolution that Egypt would introduce, since it is the current Arab League member of the Security Council. Trump then contacted Egypt and told them that if they brought this forward, his administration would not be on good terms w/ them, so they withdrew their sponsorship. Kerry then had other countries, like Senegal, New Zealand and Venezuela introduce this resolution instead, so that it could pass
As is well known by everybody including Israel hating neo-Nazis - both Muslim and non Muslim - Israel not only ended settlements in Gaza some years ago, but uprooted all existing settlements, including Jewish graves, and gave it all to the Palis. Since then, Hamas has been bombarding Israeli border areas like Sderot from Gaza. So Israel would be pretty stupid to end settlements anywhere. The people who are not interested in peace have always been the Arabs (the term 'Pali' is an invented and fictitious term) - from 1949 to today. Not just that, this resolution also requires Israel to vacate the Jewish quarters of Jerusalem, which includes the Western Wall and the Temple Mount. Let's have non-Muslim forces from any country seize Mecca and Medina, and even build, say, a Buddhist monastery there, and watch Muslims worldwide scream bloody murder.
Also, it's always been recognized that about territory conquered in war, to the victor belongs the spoils. If the UN disagrees here, let's have Germany regain all East Prussian territories that were given to Poland after WWII, Poland regain Belorussian lands and Belarus regain parts of Russia. Or better yet, let's have Arabs from all countries from Morocco to Iraq return to the Gulf states, since it was Arab armies that overran the Byzantine and Sassanid Empires in the 7th century. If they're not willing to do that, then stop demanding that Israel turn back territory that it conquered in the 1967 war.
The Republicans who believed in the 'free market' were trounced in the elections. Even in the debates, if you recall, they didn't try to refute Trump when he'd condemn TPP and trade agreements w/ China. Only Ted Cruz tried it towards the end, while arguing that it would start a trade war. Although the argument against that is that tariffs can be charged on products at the point of entry into the US, not at the point of sale. So if a company ships a product in, pays a tarrif and then can't sell, or has to do a firesale, it's screwed. Which is why it needs to look at the most cost effective US manufacturing
It doesn't matter how conservative or republican voters may be: if they see their jobs disappearing to countries where the currency is valued 2% that of the US, thereby causing labor costs that are orders of magnitude lower, they're not gonna keep supporting policies that allow it, no matter how purist it may be ideologically. Which is why the GOP lost its ideological purity. The Dems had a better chance by going pure socialism, but rigged it, and lost the election as a result
Slightly. It's like volunteering to cook and serve food at the homeless shelter on Thanksgiving. It doesn't solve the problem of hunger in the country and it's certainly not a long term plan. Neither will picking a few companies and personally asking them to save 1000 jobs today solve the employment crisis and it's not at all a long term plan on how to deal with the issue.