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5G Internet is the 'Beginning of the Fourth Industrial Revolution' (cnbc.com)

Posted by msmash on from the interesting-things dept.

Next-generation 5G mobile internet technology marks the beginning of the "fourth industrial revolution," the chief executive of Turkey's leading telecoms player told CNBC on Thursday. From a report: 5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market. Kaan Terzioglu, the chief executive of Turkcell, which has a market capitalization of $23 billion, touted the potential of the technology, saying that while 4G revolutionized the consumer market, 5G could transform the industrial space. "I think this is the beginning of the fourth generation of the industrial revolution. This will be the platform linking billions of devices together," Terzioglu told CNBC at the World Economic Forum in Davos. Turkcell has been working on 5G technologies since 2013 and this week completed a test in partnership with Ericsson, using the next-generation internet.

142 comments

  1. *Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Give me a hardwired connection to the Internet any day rather than overpriced underperforming overbooked wireless.

    1. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think for most of us. Currently Mobile Speed isn't an issue, but the price for the connections.

      Cell Phones kicked off when their prices became competitive and often cheaper to Lan connections. When they came with "Free" long distance and no roaming charges.
      Data rates are still too high for me to cut the Internet Cord, not necessarily bandwidth.

      I would actually welcome a Day where I could just tether my Phone and use my Internet Account wherever I go.

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    2. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sensationalize much?

      #Slownewsday

    3. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by flappinbooger · · Score: 4, Informative

      You know what I want? I want to only pay for internet access ONCE. I want to have ONE subscription to THE internet and use it via mobile or at home with my PC. I don't want to pay ATT or Verizon or Sprint for my phone and then pay Comcast or some other ISP for my home internet.

      Of course, I can do this now with a cellular contract, I can have mobile data and get one of those cellular based access points. But it's impractical due to usage limits and almost no-one does this because the minute you turn on Netflix you just went over your pathetic monthly morsel of bandwidth.

      I dream of some future day when we all just pay for internet one time per month.

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    4. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Thanks to the limits of physically available bandwidth, the bandwidth appetites of consumers for HD, 4K, 8K, 16K! streaming video and the ever-increasing population density of cities, your dream will always be just that: a dream. We will never satisfy all bandwidth appetites in dense urban areas with a ubiquitous, robust, single wireless solution that also works out in the boonies.

      Just settle in and prepare for a confederation of wired, satellite, long distance wireless, cellular wireless, in room high frequency wireless, and other connectivity options all pushed by competing vendors (and, as compared to the telcom monopolies of old, I'd say that's a good, or at least preferable, thing.)

    5. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Thanks to the limits of physically available bandwidth, the bandwidth appetites of consumers for HD, 4K, 8K, 16K! streaming video and the ever-increasing population density of cities, your dream will always be just that: a dream. We will never satisfy all bandwidth appetites in dense urban areas with a ubiquitous, robust, single wireless solution that also works out in the boonies.

      Just settle in and prepare for a confederation of wired, satellite, long distance wireless, cellular wireless, in room high frequency wireless, and other connectivity options all pushed by competing vendors (and, as compared to the telcom monopolies of old, I'd say that's a good, or at least preferable, thing.)

      What if the burden of high data capacity for at-home HD streaming didn't fall on the mobile wifi infrastructure? What if there was a wired/wireless solution from one vendor?

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    6. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      What if the burden of high data capacity for at-home HD streaming didn't fall on the mobile wifi infrastructure? What if there was a wired/wireless solution from one vendor?

      See: AT&T business plan, global domination chapter.

    7. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      Look at the turkeys it came from - it came from Turkey the country. They need to get completely into the 20th century (never mind the 21st).

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    8. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by molarmass192 · · Score: 1

      I'm surprised Comcast hasn't done this already. Anyhow, in Canada that seems to be more and more the norm. I know Bell, Rogers and Videotron all offer home and mobile bundles. Hell, now I'm even more surprised it hasn't happened here. I was thinking about AT&T + DirectTV but even they don't seem to offer a bundle that includes cellular. Antitrust concerns maybe?

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    9. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by zlives · · Score: 1

      they will once verizon completes the acquisition. less choices, thats what we want.

    10. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by omnichad · · Score: 1

      I want to have ONE subscription to THE internet

      Monopolistic buyouts will someday make this "dream" a reality. You pay for connectivity, not for a subscription to "the Internet" as if it's some sort of monolithic service.

      If you want a big wired pipe, it's better for pricing and for it to be a competitor to cellular providers.

    11. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Darinbob · · Score: 2

      Agreed. Mobile data is overpriced and overrated. I get along just fine with wifi the few times that I need to do something on my phone instead of a computer. Nevermind that phones and tablets are designed for people to consume advertisements with and not to get work done. Getting work done means getting input to the device and not just passively viewing information coming out of the device.

    12. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      but the price for the connections
      That right there.

      I worked in the early IoT stuff with carriers. The VPs honestly did not know why people would not want to pay them 40 to 60 dollars for 10 MB of data a month plus minute and 15-45 cent per text charges per device. They could not figure out why their IoT dreams were not taking off.

      Right now my LTE phone is plenty fast for the sort of thing I use the internet for. They just want to charge me 10x what I pay for landline sort of internet for the same speed. I continued to work with the carriers for years. They still do not understand why people would actually want unlimited. They deliberately act like you do not know what you mean people want a 'good deal'.

    13. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would actually welcome a Day where I could just tether my Phone and use my Internet Account wherever I go.

      I do. I have a phone thru Metro PCS, with their unlimited 4g plan ($55 / mo, unlimited talk, unlimited text, unlimited 4g data). I tether my laptop and tablet. Plenty of bandwidth, no additional cost. Before the merge with t-mobile there were places where the signal was unreliable, but that has not been the case in recent years.

      When we moved a year ago, my wife and I tethered the home PC and the Roku as well for a couple months while we waited on the hardline to be installed.

    14. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      I want to have ONE subscription to THE internet

      Monopolistic buyouts will someday make this "dream" a reality. You pay for connectivity, not for a subscription to "the Internet" as if it's some sort of monolithic service.

      If you want a big wired pipe, it's better for pricing and for it to be a competitor to cellular providers.

      I definitely see your point, monopolies are not desired. But, you're assuming there won't be competition between the home&mobile internet providers.

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    15. Re: *Up to* mumble-mumble bps by dougdonovan · · Score: 0

      i have a ? why does my smart...phone say 5G now ...gotta b marketing...

    16. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Not if they're the same company (as it seemed like you were asking for)

    17. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Baloo+Uriza · · Score: 2

      And, you know, don't make it 1/25th the speed and 5x the price of Korea.

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    18. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by antdude · · Score: 1

      Where can we get those for mobile smartphones? :P

      Even hardwired cables have up to max speeds. :(

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    19. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Not if they're the same company (as it seemed like you were asking for)

      You're right, if the home/mobile internet source are the same company and there is only one company doing that then it would be a monopoly. But if there is more than one company offering a one-source ISP solution then that is not a monopoly.

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    20. Re:*Up to* mumble-mumble bps by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What wireless in the boonies? We still have 0 signal from any cell provider at my house.

  2. Davos? IoT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll pop the popcorn. It's almost as if Slashdot is just trolling its readers now.

    1. Re: Davos? IoT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The beginning of the Russian hackening.

    2. Re: Davos? IoT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eternal Red October, you mean ?

    3. Re: Davos? IoT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      LOL. Brilliant.

  3. IoT is already here. by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 2

    IoT is already here without 5G. 5G being here or not will have no impact on the technology. Besides, in countries like the US where data plans are so ridiculously high, you're not going to pay 5G rates to keep your toaster connected to the internet.

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    1. Re:IoT is already here. by tsa · · Score: 2

      I would like to see a reliable and true 'hard' off switch for the internet on my new TV, fridge, toaster etc to prevent it from being turned into a spam box or suchlike.

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    2. Re:IoT is already here. by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 2

      You have to be able to alter the network configuration settings, just delete or change them in such a way that it can't connect to the outside world.

    3. Re:IoT is already here. by c-A-d · · Score: 1

      It's worse in Canada. I'm still paying $35/mo for 500MB and my choices are other overpriced, established carriers or non-established carriers with poorer coverage and call completion issues, but cheaper plans.

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    4. Re:IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Default gateway: 127.0.0.1

    5. Re:IoT is already here. by michelcolman · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if your toaster could mine bitcoins and use the heat of the mining process to toast bread? Essentially free bitcoins!

    6. Re:IoT is already here. by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      IoT has been here before, but now you don't even have to connect your new TV with a cable to turn it into a high output spam machine!

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    7. Re:IoT is already here. by msauve · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market."

      Sounds more likely to be the Beginning of End of the Internet As We Know It than the "fourth industrial revolution."

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    8. Re:IoT is already here. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I want a "hard" off switch, and I want it where the device does not need access to the Internet. I've read in previous /. articles about some thermostats automatically turning off in 14 days if they don't have constant Internet access.

      Realistically, I just don't want IoT functionality, period. There is nothing it gives me that I don't have already. My TV displays whatever is on the other on the HDMI cable; no more. My fridge keeps my beer cold; no more. If I wanted to pay a lot of money for a refrigerator, I'd buy a fridge that uses both natural gas and electricity so a blackout while I am gone doesn't mean fouled food when I return. I am not paying money for a fridge that can turn into a botnet client or a potential hazard if some hacker decides to turn it off while I am gone in hopes of causing food poisoning.

      If IoT is a question, then "NO" is the answer.

    9. Re:IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With 5G, your toaster will connect directly to your mobile phone as well as your bread box without intermediaries. Internet connection is required then only for the toast refill by the bread box. Of course, with product suggestions while considering your preferences to toast the bread. It will be effortless, commercial hell.

    10. Re:IoT is already here. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Precisely. The key thing enabling IoT was IPv6, since that's needed if one wants random devices connected to the internet. Here, end to end is important, since most embedded devices are unlikely to have things like Layer 2 addresses that one associates w/ Ethernet or WiFi cards.

      The 4G, or LTE spec, already mandated IPv6 support, which is why it's already there. 5G can help by improving speeds, but other than that, there is no reason that 5G enabled IoT in a way that 4G doesn't. Besides, having a barcode reader as one of the devices on such a network would hardly make a difference whether it was on a 4G or a 5G network

    11. Re:IoT is already here. by unixisc · · Score: 2

      Why not just turn off your router? Or, if your router has multiple SSIDs, have one of them private and undetectable (unless you already know its name) and hook your fridge and TV and everything to it, and disable it whenever you want. Other things, like say, your computer, put it on another SSID if needed.

    12. Re:IoT is already here. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For now we can... However, things change. For example, finding a vehicle that does not phone home 24/7 is a challenge. Right now IoT devices are an option, but with the fact that companies can make more money from the data stream coming from the device than the device itself, there is a good chance that the "option" part will disappear. We saw that with consoles which require a constant connection to function. We see this with Windows 10 and its telemetry gathering. IoT is often about dumping as much data as possible to a server, just because that data can be sold to someone, and because of shrink-wrapped EULAs, just by putting in an IoT++ light bulb into a socket, the user agreed to 24/7 monitoring.

    13. Re:IoT is already here. by unixisc · · Score: 1

      One thing I wonder - why not make these things a part of an Intranet of Things? In other words, you can have a home router NOT connected to the internet, but connected to your fridge or TV or oven, and all w/ just non-routable addresses. Maybe have your iPhone or iPad connected to it as well, so that sitting on your sofa, you can turn your oven on or off, and monitor its temperature and maybe whether the pork chops are done or not. Or from a barcode reader in your fridge, scan whether the beer case is empty, or a new butter is needed. Such a thing would work even during an internet outage: you won't even need Comcast or Charter. Maybe the thing could even warn you in the event of a power outage, so that you decide to marinade the chicken that was in the fridge and cook it at the next available opportunity.

      I actually do think that some Internet of Things functionality is useful - like the ability to remotely open a door for a family member from my cellphone. But yeah, I do agree that a lot of the claimed benefits are overblown

    14. Re:IoT is already here. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      Tinfoil hat to the rescue!

    15. Re:IoT is already here. by ctilsie242 · · Score: 2

      This is how it -should- be. IoT devices should yak to each other via Bluetooth, or if they need to go out to the WAN, via hardened hub or hubs with some type of profile limiting the machines they can communicate with.

      However, there are two profit driven motives why something like Z-wave isn't used: The first is that sucking as much data as possible down is profitable. Analytics, telemetry, "anonymized" profile data... regardless, the IoT maker makes cash for everything the device can discern about the buyer or the environment and ship up.

      The second is cost. Security doesn't pay the bills, so IoT makers don't care how vulnerable their stuff is. In fact, it is in their financial interest to have devices which can't be updated, forcing the user to buy new ones or face compromise.

    16. Re:IoT is already here. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Sadly, no, you cannot buy a decent full sized refrigerator anymore without it containing some (expensive to replace) microprocessor control "brain" - they're not all connected to the network, yet, but give that 5 or 10 years and the network ports will be present on all of them whether you pay for the option or not. Eventually, you'll be paying extra to not connect your fridge to the network (and, in some cities you already do pay extra to not let the power company "load balance" your major appliances to manage peak demand loads.)

    17. Re:IoT is already here. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      Or just don't pay your Comcast bill.

    18. Re:IoT is already here. by justthinkit · · Score: 2

      LG to put Wi-Fi in every appliance it introduces in 2017

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    19. Re:IoT is already here. by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      What if your toaster could mine bitcoins and use the heat of the mining process to toast bread? Essentially free bitcoins!

      This would be going down the same road as capturing heat from the air-conditioner in the hot water heater - it works well on some paper calculations, well enough to get installed sometimes, but rarely does the TCO work out for the better.

      I mean, picture a three card crossfire video array setup to toast bread in-between the cards, toast slots on top of your gaming rig - now, how critical does the design of the crumb tray become?

    20. Re:IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      lol noob i ain't building you shit if it doesn't phone home to MY server

    21. Re:IoT is already here. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Try buying a stove that doesn't have an electronic board in it that costs $400 when it goes. Or a washing machine. Unless you want bare bottom of the line in terms of capacity and other features, you're SOL.

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    22. Re: IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great plan, let the fridge ddos itself into an oven.

    23. Re: IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Who the hell needs an internet-connected refrigerator, anyway? It's about the dumbest thing I could possibly imagine.

    24. Re:IoT is already here. by omnichad · · Score: 1

      costs $400

      It's the price, but it's not the cost. The incremental cost to manufacture replacement boards is probably under $30. Reasonable replacement parts pricing should be a regulatory requirement to keep appliances out of landfills - and I'm surprised the EPA isn't on that yet.

    25. Re:IoT is already here. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      Look at smart TVs. How easy is it to get a stupid TV?

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    26. Re:IoT is already here. by MachineShedFred · · Score: 1

      Just don't configure the networking.

      That was hard.

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    27. Re:IoT is already here. by fluffernutter · · Score: 1

      It's funny, I was recently in a conversation with someone who was insisting that technology was bringing prices down. This would have been good info.

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    28. Re:IoT is already here. by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

      why not make these things a part of an Intranet of Things

      This is what I want. In an Internet outage, there's no reason my smartphone shouldn't be able to control a smart thermostat. Better still, this makes it more likely that there will be a way to make arbitrary connections to these devices from a home server and custom scripts. A lot of my home actually operates this way - I use an Amazon Dash button for my doorbell (ARP sniffing), my Asterisk caller ID shows up on my MythTV screen using contact photos from an offline cache of my Google Contacts. Just a few scripts as glue and I can do just about anything with devices that are made to be good citizens among arbitrary tech - it's why protocols were invented.

    29. Re:IoT is already here. by Carewolf · · Score: 1

      What if your toaster could mine bitcoins and use the heat of the mining process to toast bread? Essentially free bitcoins!

      That is actually not as stupid an idea as it may sound. In places they use electric heating, you might as well use SoCs doing something usefull as dumb resistant wires. It would be free calculations.

    30. Re:IoT is already here. by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      That's why the article's talking about 5G AND IoT - so that the average consumer has absolutely no control over how their toaster or fridge or light-bulb connects to the internet, no ability to change IP address or routes, no LAN or WiFI DHCP server to configure, and no ability to turn it off.

      With a 5G modem built in to the device, it'll be always-on, always spying.

      Amazon did it with Kindle & built-in 3G modem years ago, so that people could buy and download books from Amazon. They made bulk deals wherever possible to minimise the cost - and mobile data is a lot cheaper now,

      Two of the inevitable outcomes from this are:

      1. a series of blog posts, articles and how-tos on hardware hacking to disable the 5G modems built in to various appliances.

      Manufacturers will probably retaliate with a patch to break your fridge or TV if it can't get a 5G connection.

      They'll also make use of short-range wireless networking (e.g. bluetooth and similar) to look for nearby devices from the same (or allied) manufacturers. If one of them can get to the internet with their payload of spy-data then all of them can. They'll use the same wireless protocol for in-home control (remote control, home-automation hub, etc) so that consumers won't want to disable it.

      2. a similar series of how-tos describing how to hack your fridge's firmware to make use of the "free" bandwidth available (as was done for the Kindle 3G).

      This will probably be slightly more difficult than it would be for criminals to turn your IoT device into a spam or DDOS bot because the manufacturers will probably make some minimal incompetent effort to secure something that will cost THEM money.

    31. Re:IoT is already here. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      That's the price.You don't like it, either manufacture appliances that don't break down (and go out of business because planned obsolescence is a thing) or set yourself up to make custom repairs - which you will also have to charge hundreds for, unless your time is free.

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    32. Re:IoT is already here. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      You would have known if you had been watching TV instead of wasting time on the internet. It's been in the mainstream news. Shows just how much of a bubble environment the internet has become.

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    33. Re:IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, it's not about what YOU the consumer wants. It's about all the more information that corporations can take from you to develop better marketing campaigns.. Think about this - VR head sets will not only know WHAT you are looking at, but by tracking eye movement, develop profiles that determine how you FEEL about what you look at. Always on recording spyware (ie: Alexa) , is analyzing background conversations determining what you like and who's around you. This is a GREAT era for advertisers, how dare you let little things like what you actually want, or your privacy get in way!

    34. Re:IoT is already here. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      ,There is nothing it gives me that I don't have already.

      Then you don't understand IoT.

    35. Re:IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just don't configure the networking.

      So that the IoT-thing will automatically configure itself to use the neighbours unsecured WiFi instead.

      That was hard.

      Apparently.

    36. Re:IoT is already here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I do understand IoT all too well. It isn't for the consumer. It is to obtain profile data in other ways to sell, and perhaps find new ways to sell ads. It also is to sell stuff that the consumer doesn't really need or care about, and force the consumer onto yet another buying/tossing treadmill.

      Do you see any actual focus on IoT security, other than a cloud provider (Nokia CloudBand, Amazon)? Won't happen, because there is no magic "ka-ching" sound with an IoT device that is well secured from remote intrusion.

    37. Re:IoT is already here. by Dagger2 · · Score: 1

      Because these things will be connecting over a 5G mobile connection, not via your router.

    38. Re:IoT is already here. by balaband · · Score: 1

      You must eat a lot of toast

    39. Re:IoT is already here. by radl33t · · Score: 1

      There is a model of mechanical (gas) range at my big box store that doesn't even take power. Next

    40. Re:IoT is already here. by radl33t · · Score: 1

      Right. I forgot the "I can only buy LG" requirement

    41. Re:IoT is already here. by radl33t · · Score: 1

      It is bringing prices down. People have poor memories.

    42. Re:IoT is already here. by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Most people don't buy gas ranges. Next.

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  4. Associated Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm not hip on 5G, but in other FDMA+CDMA or FDMA+TDMA systems there is a hard limit on the number of devices that can reasonably be accommodated by a single cell. If 5G is bringing the IoT pain, will it have an order of magnitude jump in the number of devices that can be services simultaneously?

    1. Re: Associated Devices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe the greatest benefit of 5G on IOT is freeing up 4G.

      I'm more interested in its potential as last mile ISP service for rural homes.

    2. Re:Associated Devices by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      And remember, most of those things will need a lot of bandwidth, DDoSs aren't known for their low bandwidth requirements.

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  5. Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So someone with a huge interest in seeing 5G data rollout says it'll be as big as industrial revolution. Fucking hardly.

    A.I. stands a chance of doing so but improving a wireless technology does not. This is just idiocy I can't believe slashdot publishes this shit.

    Everyday that passes I want to block slashdot in my /etc/hosts to break myself from the habit of coming here.

    1. Re:Riiight... by Guybrush_T · · Score: 2

      +1. This guy is not important, not objective and is saying yet another "our technology will revolutionize the world". Come on.

      Wait for people describing their next technology as "The fifth industrial revolution". Because you know, the fourth is so much 2010.

    2. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People don't really get what 5G really is. It's not only a faster wireless connection. Some of the IEEE standards could already cover partially the application areas planned for 5G, but it remains to be seen how the low latency or power industrial, infrastructure and autonomous vehicle networks really work after 2022-2025. The peer-to-peer is what really should interest the consumers as well.

    3. Re:Riiight... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 2

      +1. This guy is not important, not objective and is saying yet another "our technology will revolutionize the world". Come on.

      Wait for people describing their next technology as "The fifth industrial revolution". Because you know, the fourth is so much 2010.

      It's Turkey. They're too busy dealing with non-industrial revolutions nowadays.

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    4. Re:Riiight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too true.

      I'd add:
      it doesn't matter if Turkish citizens have 5G or even 6G ... they all have the same speed (0kbps) whenever their "government" shuts-down their Net access.

    5. Re:Riiight... by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1

      Remember that ad - "Can you hear me now?" Turkey's 5G motto will be "Let's talk Turkey - 'cuz you ain't gonna be allowed to talk anywhere else."

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  6. A Modest Proposal by PopeRatzo · · Score: 0

    The world would be much better off if Davos were to be swallowed by a giant crack in the Earth today.

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    1. Re:A Modest Proposal by sjames · · Score: 2

      Yes. We don't need the screaming prune calling for the poor to be exterminated.

    2. Re:A Modest Proposal by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      We don't need the screaming prune calling for the poor to be exterminated.

      I agree on principle, but to which screaming prune do you refer?

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    3. Re:A Modest Proposal by sjames · · Score: 1

      Sorry, a Dr. Who reference. Davros, the creator of the Daleks.

  7. Oh really? by bob4u2c · · Score: 2

    Next-generation 5G mobile internet technology marks the beginning of the "fourth industrial revolution," the chief executive of Turkey's leading telecoms player told CNBC on Thursday

    Well if a Chief Executive of a Telecom said it, then it must be . . . . . . nothing but marketing hype.

    1. Re:Oh really? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

      Jeez Editors. Next - Kim (or whatever) Kardishan breaks a fingernail (which had an open web browser).

      Come on, you really can do better. Even with just flat out troll / clickbait headlines you can do better. We can help you make some up!

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    2. Re: Oh really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or she "breaks the internet" by uploading yet another photo of her ass...

  8. yeah ok by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Did i miss 2 and 3?
    Or is this just another buffoon spouting out marketing gimmicks?

  9. Hyperbole by SubtleGuest · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Haven't seen that much in a while.

    1. Re:Hyperbole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never seen so much hyperbole in a thousand years!

  10. Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by thegarbz · · Score: 5, Interesting

    5G is nothing to do with IoT. IoT is lots of devices very little bandwidth. 5G is tuned for very large bandwidth applications and has a generally quite high power consumption.

    LoRa networks are the networks for IoT devices, unless these marketing numbnuts think IoT is about your toaster, connecting to your WiFi, connecting to 5G or some stupid idea like that.

    1. Re:Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      Trust me. IoT toys trying hard to do their best in a DDoS attack are not really "devices (using) very little bandwidth".

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    2. Re:Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Giving them more bandwidth isn't the answer.

    3. Re:Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      For a lot of devices, they don't need the speed of 5G, or even LTE. Some devices are just fine working on EDGE or even GPRS because those protocols require less power and are simpler, requiring fewer computation cycles to packetize/depacketize network data.

      I wish 5G was engineered similar to Bluetooth. Have a mode for fast data and high power, but have the ability to allow for low power, low bandwidth, so something like a solar powered weather station in the middle of nowhere can send its data to a monitoring server 24/7 without worry about it draining the batteries due to having to have a multi-watt antenna hot at all times.

    4. Re:Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by mighty7sd · · Score: 2

      5G...has a generally quite high power consumption.

      5G is not correlated with "high power consumption." In fact, one of the main goals in research is lower battery (power) consumption. In the past it might have been okay to blast power in all directions to make sure you are heard. Now, there is too much demand so we invest in technologies such as small cells to reduce power levels/interference and increase capacity.

      5G is really all about efficiency, using our limited resources in a smarter manner. How can we increase spectral efficiency (stuff more bits per hertz)? How can we get more spectrum (see millimeter wave and FCC NPRMs)? How can we share more efficiently (see 3.65 GHz CBRS use of dynamic frequency allocation via SAS).

      It even comes with softer questions that aren't as technical, such as "how can I quickly get permission to mount antennas in peoples yards (NIMBY issues)?" and how do I get fiber ROW?" since again there is no spectrum for wireless backhaul.

    5. Re:Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      5G is not correlated with "high power consumption." In fact, one of the main goals in research is lower battery (power) consumption.

      Compared to networks designed specifically for IoT, it may as well be a 100W halogen bulb. 5G is an incremental improvement over LTE, but it's not designed or targetted for IoT, ultra low power devices that can sit a 1yr+ in the field without a battery change.

    6. Re: Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until Lora is truly an open global standard I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole. Right now it's a proprietary technology owned by Semtech that pretends to be a standard.

    7. Re:Verbal Marketing Diarrhea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      5G is nothing to do with IoT

      Yes it does. Your autonomous cars, facilities and industrial installations will all communicate with the protocols in the 5G family. It is not just a 4G on steroids, but an attempt to support new classes of applications.

  11. Stupidest... Thing... Ever... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Without security precautions already in place - and there are none so far - the IoT is the stupidest thing ever created.

    The manufacturers need to be held responsible.

  12. IoT exists on 2G by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A wide reaching spectrum that doesn't need much bandwidth is perfect for IoT.

    5G will likely be major cities only. How is that useful again?

  13. More Dumb Stuff Please by Moof123 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Sensors everywhere will not make you happier, probably not even healthier. I am sure we will see a "smart" hammer that evaluates your swing and trains you soon.

    I want less and less of this stuff.

    I want my books printed not "e" these days.

    I am tired of cloud crap, stop deleting my tunes and PDFs off my tablet without asking me.

    We are in a bubble of "because we can" thinking, rather than products and services that are actually helpful, efficient, and life improving. Gadgets are lucky to have a 1 year lifespan, why would we want billions of them, mostly abandoned by the vendor and the owner alike, sitting on the web waiting to be exploited into botnets and such?

    1. Re: More Dumb Stuff Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just got an alert from my IOT news tracker telling me to check this thread out.

    2. Re:More Dumb Stuff Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gadgets are lucky to have a 1 year lifespan, why would we want billions of them, mostly abandoned by the vendor and the owner alike, sitting on the web waiting to be exploited into botnets and such?

      Job security for infosec folks.

    3. Re:More Dumb Stuff Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your complaints are more DRM laden than anything. You just need to ensure your devices talk to your devices, not a service provider you don't trust. I have Android devices, they get apps off F-droid, not Google Play.

    4. Re: More Dumb Stuff Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you ok Grandpa? You've been out on the porch in the hot sun for over an hour now.

    5. Re:More Dumb Stuff Please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're telling me a commode that analyzes your shit for you and gives you shit about your shit via twitter isn't something the market wants? Well good sir, that is a reality I prefer not to live in! Now if you'll excuse me, my state-of-the-art-much-better-than-your toilet won't flush until I can pair it with my smart phone to tell it to associate with my wireless access point. I'm thinking I just need to cycle the power a few more times and hopefully this bug is fixed in a software update.

    6. Re:More Dumb Stuff Please by BarbaraHudson · · Score: 1
      This is fueled by too much money chasing too many stupid ideas in yet another bubble. We all know how pets.com changed all our lives. Or flooz, the internet currency that ended up being used for illegal transactions (bitcoin 0.1). Webvan, eToys Beenz, etc.

      Anyone still have a CueCat?

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    7. Re:More Dumb Stuff Please by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Sensors everywhere will not make you happier

      This is the money can't buy happiness arguement. Sensors and automation don't make you happy. They offload meaningless parts of your life that take up time, giving you the freedom to find happiness.

  14. Wait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wasn't AI the beginning of the 4th industrial revolution just last week or so?

  15. The Fourth Industrial Revolution by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Informative

    The subject came up a day or two ago, so i happen to have the wikipedia link handy:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

    In short:
    1st IR was 18th and 19th centuries and was steam engines and iron and textile production.
    2nd IR was 1870 to 1914 and was steel and oil and electricity and mass production.
    3rd IR was 1980s to now, and is computers and networks.

    The _theory_ is that the 4th industrial revolution is starting now, and will involve some combination of biotech, nanotech, AI, 3d printing, and (if you believe some people) the Internet of Things.

    Personally i think that to the extent that you want to differentiate the current/upcoming situation from the 3rd IR/computer revolution, those first four items are all viable candidates for turning society on its head. I'm pretty skeptical about the IoT part though.

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    1. Re:The Fourth Industrial Revolution by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Here's the problem. Industrial revolution is about producing things of value. Hardware. Now, we're producing FlappyBird and is that really "Industrial"?

      Robotics replacing humans is more likely part of the Industrial revolution. 3D printing, CNC and WaterJet cutting are Industrial. 5G is nothing more than a fancy telephone line, just like all the other fancy telephone lines.

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    2. Re:The Fourth Industrial Revolution by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 1

      Suggest you read Future Shock and The Third Wave for better perspective.

  16. Oh god please no! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market.

    What vision of Hell is this!

    1. Re:Oh god please no! by thexile · · Score: 0

      An IT-savvy one.

  17. I would like to be the first by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    to welcome this BS...
    Just some cheap marketing stunt.

  18. Why the fuck would I WANT a bunch of things linked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    together?! Why do you assume that this is a GOOD thing? Why would it be? It's fucking *insane*.

  19. Why are we listening to a markedroid? by Opportunist · · Score: 1

    Seriously, there is more wrong with these few sentences up there than I have time to correct. Most of it has already been said, so why are we allowing someone whose words would be better redirected to /dev/null lest they get heard by young and impressionable ears and actually cause irreparable damage litter /.?

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  20. 5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! by tlambert · · Score: 4, Insightful

    5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! Now that's a fast connection!

    1. Re:5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you see the plan really is to modernize infrastructure whilst keeping billing plans the same.
      Now you too can be part of the supar-fast interwebz phenomena for under a minute, and owe more than ever before!

    2. Re:5G: 0 to data cap in 30 seconds! by Moof123 · · Score: 1

      Today things max out at about 100 Mbps (some carrier aggregation allows 2-3x this, but whatever).
      100/8=12.5 MBps
      1G/0.0125=8s/GB, burn through a 10 GB data plan in just over a minute today

      5G is aiming for 10x faster, 1 Gbps max throughput, so burn through a data cap in 8s

  21. Call it what you want... by rnmartinez · · Score: 1

    I bet it will still be slow with shitty coverage.

  22. Not with bandwidth caps it isn't. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Internet access costs too much and you get too little. ISPs are trying to sell internet access and content at the same time, so they implement bandwidth restrictions to push people to buy from them.

    If our elected officials had any sense, they'd break up these media-ISP conglomerates.

  23. This is not a feature... by bradley13 · · Score: 1

    "5G is viewed as a technology that can support the developing Internet of Things (IOT) market, which refers to millions -- or potentially billions -- of internet-connected devices that are expected soon to come on to the market. "

    This is not a feature. It's more likely a slow-moving, relentless catastrophe.

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  24. Doctor Evil by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just look at the guy. He's Doctor Evil!

  25. 5G means IoT on a world scale by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Happy hacking!

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  26. Not in the US by FellowConspirator · · Score: 2

    In the US, we're going to data cap that to the point of uselessness. Really, there's no point to faster mobile data if it is gobbled up in a couple of seconds.

    1. Re:Not in the US by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Sure there is. Loading slashdot on 3G and loading it on LTE-A uses the same amount of data.

      However on the former I get to state at a blank loading bar for 10 seconds. Why are we still waiting on electronic devices in 2017.

  27. Industrial revolution the same way as 4TB drives by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    5G is an "industrial revolution" in the same way as 4TB hard drives.

    In other words, it's just a minor improvement on technology already being used. There is nothing revolutionary about it.

  28. Turkey is not even at 90nm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's no Turkish semiconductor industry of note. They cant manufacture T/R modules for transmitter towers. What 5G tech have they developed exactly? This is a carrier buying Swedish kit to stick in their own network bragging about technology that isn't theirs so it's not really surprising they have no idea what the hell they are talking about. IoT is and will remain Z-wave and Zigbee with some Bluetooth and WiFi added in. There's not enough spectrum for every toaster to be on 5G and the sheer waste of energy that would entail will guarantee it never happens.

  29. Back to the Ottoman Caliphate by unixisc · · Score: 1

    Also, w/ all the controls they are putting on all their media, including social media, what will they do w/ 5G? They are busy contemplating teaching Jihad in school

    , so what exactly will 5G do for them? Enable them to blow up a Western embassy in Brunei?

  30. Good chance for US to catch up? by ntropia · · Score: 1

    Don't worry, this revolution it's going to be affecting mostly countries other than US, or, best case scenario, be limited to the gazillion of colorful and expensive ads from the providers. I've been in EU visiting my family, and I've helped my sister setting up her new Android phone, which, incidentally, is the very same model as mine. Well, using the 4G downloading large apps from the market was blazing faster than I experience even with my WiFi at home or at work. On top of that, she pays way less than a third of what I do. And Japan is even more advanced than EU.

    Actually, I just remembered that when I moved to US the terrible state of mobile and internet speeds in general, and the absurd prices were the greatest disappointments.

  31. The previous industrial revolution :) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $35 computers were the beginning of the 3.14159...th industrial revolution

  32. Yeah, right. by Jawnn · · Score: 1

    And this is the year of desktop Linux. Oh, and monkeys might fly out of my butt.
    Seriously though, even assuming there is something brought about by 5G magic that we could remotely call "revolutionary" (as not, something way more than just "faster") what will that be?

  33. Um, No. by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 2

    Seriously, it's self-powered wireless clothing devices and other integrated circuits you wear that have their own AI, and which will report you to the Ministry of Truth for deviating from the "norm" that are the 5th Industrial Revolution.

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  34. Limited bandwidth by khz6955 · · Score: 1

    Regardless of the next generation 5G technology they're always the limitations of available bandwidth.

  35. Re:Davos? IoT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now?

    They've been doing it for a while.

    There isn't even a pretense of, news for nerds.
    It's either political propaganda or Marketing.

    I suppose in the end they are the same thing.

  36. Let the apocalypse begin! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My first thoughts were immediately, "Skynet anyone?"

  37. IOT by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Internet of Turkeys

  38. Fourth industrial revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have been hearing this term more and more,and every time someone else appears to think they are starting it with a completely different "innovation".
    Is this becoming 2017's new meaningless buzzword?

  39. Does anyone actually NOT want the IoT? by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    I frankly don't like the idea of every goddamn appliance sending out radio waves. It's a total waste of energy, in most cases utterly unnecessary, and may even possibly have negative health consequences. Stop putting fucking wifi in everything!!!

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  40. ericsson is a hasbeen , a dinosaur by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    bullshit , IoT devices are not going to need 5G anytime soon , ericsson is just trying to push its shit because it's bleeding money like theres no tomorrow and loosing market to huawei real fast , they will be bankrupt before users see 5G network in their pockets

  41. Oh, thank God by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Finally, IoT can take off!