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Zuckerberg Sues Hundreds of Hawaiians To Force Property Sales To Him (msn.com)
mmell writes: Apparently, owning 700 acres of land in Hawaii isn't enough -- Mark Zuckerberg, founder of Facebook, has filed suit to force owners of several small parcels of land to sell to the highest bidder. The reason? These property owners are completely surrounded by Zuckerberg's land holdings and therefore have lawful easement to cross his property in order to get to theirs. Many of these land owners have held their land for generations, but seemingly Mr. Zuckerberg can not tolerate their presence so close to his private little slice of paradise. Landowners such as these came to own their land when their ancestors were "given" the land as Hawaiian natives. If successful in his "quiet title" court action, Mr. Zuckerberg will finally have his slice of Hawaii's beaches and tropical lands without having to deal with the pesky presence of neighbors who were on his land before he owned it. Who knew that Hawaiians were just another kind of Native Americans? CNBC reports: "The cases target a dozen small plots of so-called 'kuleana' lands that are inside the much larger property that Zuckerberg bought on Kauai. Kuleana lands are properties that were granted to native Hawaiians in the mid-1800. One suit, according to the Star-Advertiser, was filed against about 300 people who are descendants of an immigrant Portuguese sugar cane plantation worker who bought four parcels totaling two acres of land in 1894. One of that worker's great-grandchildren, Carlos Andrade, 72, lived on the property until recently, the paper said. But the retired university professor told the Star-Advertiser that he is helping Zuckerberg's case as a co-plaintiff in an effort to make sure the land is not surrendered to the county if no one in his extended clan steps up to take responsibility for paying property taxes on the plots."
Whats German for "cocksucker". THAT should be his last name.
Just another rich asshole forcing people out from their homes.
Who else is going to bid for land that's surrounded entirely by someone else's land, and subject to these kinds of legal encumbrances?
The man is a bastard and a prime candidate for an urgent visit from a large group of people toting pitchforks and torches, if anyone can find any in present-day Hawaii.
Alter the Hawaiian Constitution to strengthen the public's rights to access beaches. Currently there are laws on the books for this, but I would argue they aren't strong enough. Current example
: If private homeowners are obstructing existing public rights-of-way to the shoreline, HRS S 115-9 provides a remedy and up to a $2000 penalty for that kind of situation.
I wouldn't mind if the constitution were altered so that people descended from native Hawaiians were allowed to camp on any private property.
Zuckerfuck or the SJW retards equating land ownership with genocide.
Capcha: comical
From TFA, it seems like these are old titles, many of the people who inherited them have no idea they "own" these properties, and thus haven't been paying property taxes on them since 180something.
I don't much care for The Zuck, but before taking off on the all too predictable partisan political tears, people should inform themselves on which Supreme Court justices ruled which way on the Kelo decision.
Funny how the newly converted Zuckerberg expresses his Christian values.
"Thou Shalt Not Covet"
What is it about having money that turns people into such assholes?
I mean really, 700 acres? How can someone not find sufficient privacy for their family on 700 acres, even if it contains a few parcels he doesn't own?
Is he kicking people off their land, or is he suing people who aren't paying property tax, or who don't know they own a plot of land there?
Although I'm not a Zuckerberg fan, the headline is a little misleading. Apparently for most of these parcels, the actual ownership is unclear-- the ownership is split sometimes among hundreds of descendants of the original owners, and in some cases it's not clear who owns it, or if they're even alive or if they're not, who the heirs are. This seems to be the only way to clear title to the land.
I wish I owned an acre of land right in the middle of where he wants to build his house. I'd put a big barbed-wire fence around it, park the biggest, ugliest, smelliest old trailer I could find on it, demand continued access rights and refuse to sell at any money.
You're not reading TFA correctly, because if they have " no idea " they own them then obviously they aren't crossing his property to visit property they don't care about.
Zuck should get what Captain Cook got.
Who knew that Hawaiians were just another kind of Native Americans?
Apparently everyone but the author. What a moron.
People have been saying it for years, but I really feel like this place isn't what it used to be. Here we have a terrible, click-baity headline followed by a terrible, lazily editorialized summary, none of which is "News for Nerds" or "Stuff that Matters."
Really, does this impact us in some way that I'm not seeing? At least with stories about Steve Jobs's megayacht, there was a cool megayacht to be interested in.
The Daddy casts sleep on the Baby. The Baby resists!
If the properties are vacant and property taxes in arrears, then the county is likely within its power to seize the plots, and sell them to cover the costs. Then Zuckerberg has the opportunity to purchase those plots of land. Mind you, it sounds like maybe that scenario doesn't cover all the plots of land.
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..I'd tell him I wanted 51% of Facebook. Then I'd shut it down. I'd be lauded as a Hero all over the world. xD
I don't have high expectations for the quality of the content on Slashdot, but this summary is particularly bad.
Regardless of what your stance is on this matter, the fact remains that the summary is highly biased and editorialized, to the point of the entire submission being rubbish.
Crap like
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The "Who knew ... just another kind of Native Americans?" junk is particularly stupid. The people called "Native Americans" today are just the descendants (ignoring how many of them are also descended from Europeans, sometimes proportionally more so than from non-Europeans) of the most recent waves of migration to the Americas from Eurasia. It's rarely mentioned how these later waves likely destroyed previous cultures in the Americas, such as the Clovis people, because that wouldn't fit with the leftist narrative of today's "Native Americans" being perpetual victims.
The editors should have seriously reworked this submission's summary. Perhaps it would have been better just to throw it out completely, it's so inherently bad.
This summary and all of its obvious bias just makes those against Zuckerberg's actions look like kooks and extremists.
Referring to Zuckerberg as "Him" makes the title of the article sound like he's being deified.
Zuckerfuck is playing with fire... Literally fire and lava..
One of that worker's great-grandchildren, Carlos Andrade, 72, lived on the property until recently, the paper said. But the retired university professor told the Star-Advertiser that he is helping Zuckerberg's case as a co-plaintiff in an effort to make sure the land is not surrendered to the county if no one in his extended clan steps up to take responsibility for paying property taxes on the plots."
Someone got paid to betray his kin and I bet it was big enough to matter.
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sheesh! what is zuckerburg trying to do? start his own country? even if i was a billionaire i would not want more than maybe 1 square mile, heck i could find plenty of privacy in 20 acres of back wood land in rural montana or wyoming, build a nice warm mansion that looks like a GIANT log cabin in where it cant be seen from the nearby roads, and put up a chainlink fence around it topped with razor wire, and motion detectors & security cams
Politics is Treachery, Religion is Brainwashing
If Hawaiians let us build our Thirty Meter Telescope, we will agree to cement Mark Zuckerberg into the foundation thereof.
Between Zuck, Larry Ellison, Bill Gates and Paul Allen.
The topic will be the potential and risks of AI and IoT for human lifestyles, health and employment? No... Hawaii property laws.
that refuse to pay their taxes. Anywhere in this country if you steal from your local government, you will lose your land. You are not allowed to own land. You are only renting it, and Zuck recognizes the truth because he is smart. These people need to lose their land and be put in prison for stealing.
Only a coincidence!
lose your property. This is a nonstory.
Well it is Zuckerberg - what did you expect?
I hate 'ole zuckie as much as the next guy, but he's not suing to force a sale, he's suing the clear the title of the properties (i.e. determine exactly who the fuck owns the damn things). He may take shitty action after that, but this is a quite reasonable action to take.
Imagine if you were legally required to provide access to your property to others (such as the case here), but no one could tell you exactly who those people were.
Just as a matter of principle, shouldn't the newer Hawaiian immigrants be paying property taxes to the indigenous (or longer-term Polynesian-descendant) Hawaiians for the appropriation of their land? (Including rather a lot of back taxes in arrears.) ...and not the other way round?
The Justice System (e.g. land title lawsuit judgements etc) has a funny way of working out well for those in de-facto power, doesn't it?
Where are we going and why are we in a handbasket?
It is clear that Suckerbern doesn't own it
It is not the number that is bad, if he sued a single person to force them off of their ancestral land, then their is no punishment too hefty for him.
Troll is not a replacement for I disagree.
most of the really cool stuff that exists at the level a /.tter can understand has come and gone. So we get crap like this to fill space. This isn't the 90s anymore when cool tech was coming non-stop or the 2000s when you could just run tech layoff articles nonstop...
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Why can't he buy a place more fitting to his personality, with no culture or significance.
This isn't the immigrants forcing something on the indigenous people.
All US citizens of voting age in Hawaii have a voice in how taxes are levied and spent.
> Who knew that Hawaiians were just another kind of Native Americans?
Hawaiians. Hawaiians have known they're treated like Native Americans for quite a while.
You're an overbearing, spoiled little brat... F.O.
the county is likely within its power to seize the plots
I don't know how Hawaiian law works. But in my state (WA), unclaimed property is protected forever. Counties (and other parties) might be able to file a lien for fees, taxes and other obligations owed. But I don't think they can just 'take it away'.
and sell them to cover the costs
What costs? For unimproved land with no services, the cost to the county is zero. Even then, once the property owner is identified, they have the right (at least in my state) to make good on back taxes and fees.
Have gnu, will travel.
The easement shall be a tunnel 100 feet underground. It will have 2 elevators on each end to take them to the tunnel and back up. The land above the easement shall remain untouched and undisturbed. Any violation of the land above the tunnel will revoke the land ownership of the person who tried to create the easement.
Zuckerberg is a scumbag. That is all.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
As someone else said, Zuck's always been an asshole, long before he had money. In this case, the headline is utter bull, Zuck's doing something else assholish today, but the legal proceeding isn't what the headline claims.
As the article says, there are four half-acre parcels, owned by more than 300 descendants of the people who lived there 150 years ago. That is, each little parcel has about 80 owners, several of unknown whereabouts.
There's no chance anybody is going to track down all 300 descendants and get them to all agree on *anything* - selling or anything else. So the land sits there, of no use to anyone. The legal filing allows Zuck to pay the 300+ descendants for land they probably didn't know they had any ownership interest in, and weren't making any use of.
Why does it matter to him? It doesn't matter much, but consider if you owned a big house, but someone else owned the medicine cabinet in the bathroom, and had the right to come in to the house to get to their medicine cabinet. That of course affects resale value, and it's just weird.
Facebook could possibly be viewed by future generations as more of a cancerous growth on society than a revolutionary technological leap in communication. In some ways it has advantages. In many, many ways it just seems to turning society into a giant amoeba.
A liberal bleeding heart whose heart bleed only for his own sake and to hell with anyone that might get in his way. Zuckterd, a boy with no clue how to act like an adult thinking money makes him so.
The lawsuit(s) being filed are to determine ownership of the parcels of land. Not to force the sale of the land.
Zuckerberg is suing to find out who owns the land so that he can negotiate to purchase the land from them. Right now he can't purchase the land because no one knows who owns it.
He is not suing to force the sale, he is suing to make the sale possible.
"Grab them by the pussy" -- President of the United States of America
I don't much care for The Zuck, but before taking off on the all too predictable partisan political tears
I know the GOP lately doesn't seem to stand for anything but billionaires, but I don't think zuckerberg quite qualifies as a "partisan" issue yet...
Let's please not. The reason his last name means "sugar mountain" in German is because in the late 18th Century the various Germanic empires forced all Jews to have surnames, instead of being known as (e.g.) Yeshua ben Youssef -- a patronym, not a surname. If your family was on bad terms with the local magistrate then you might have had a surname that was actually insulting rather than merely ridiculous. So unless you're interested in reviving a particularly vile brand of antisemitism, please let's not give this man an insulting surname, even if you think he deserves shame and ridicule.
Those who advocate genocide deserve every protection afforded by law, and none afforded by common human decency.
Just think, he could solve the Palestinian problem
And that sued person's ancestors... forced somebody else off their ancestral land to get it.
Probably with bows, swords, or firearms.
There is no baseline population holding the "natural property rights" or being the "natural rightful owners".
This is why Zuck now calls himself a Jew.
Ha hahaha
Another court case I hope he loses..
Fuckadog is high on my list of folk deserving of an injection of metal at high speed to the head..
Google "Washington state real estate tax auction" and you'll see that after 3 years of unpaid taxes, the property is sold and gets a brand new owner.
Isn't this the plot of at least two dozen 80s and 90s "teen" movies?
Clearly Zuckerberg has more right to this land that the native Hawaiians whose family have had rights to it for generations. After all, Zuckerberg is a Jew and in the book that the Jews wrote it clearly says that God will always side with the Jews over all others no matter what. This is called "The Covenant". Jews have a long history of taking the land that they want from other people who it belongs to. Not just the Palestine settlements where they kill the Palestinians who are living there and then "settle" the land, but even Israel itself back millennium ago when they murdered the Canaanites to take their land because "God gave it to the Jews" . Apparently this is how God works, he gives Jews something but he expects them to kill others including women and children to actually enforce his will.
Those Hawaiians better not piss of God by not letting a Jew have his way.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Is philanthropist already a dirty word or is Zuckerberg turning it into one?
Fucking whites taking over land again. Just cause he's rich doesn't mean he's bulletproof
> Who knew that Hawaiians were just another kind of Native Americans?
No, those Hawaiians natives are another kind of palestinians, because Zuckerberg is just another jew. Jews consider themselves the self-chosen nation and think YHWH, the vengence-god gave all the lands of this world. That's the racist ideology called "zionism" which the UN condemned in plenum. Regrettably USA is the lapdog of militant zionism.
I keep seeing that these parcels of land 'haven't had their taxes paid in years'.
Question coming to mind initially is: if they haven't paid their taxes and this somehow results in forfeiture of possession of the land, how does this equate to cuckerberg having any right to purchase it?
Reminding also that the other thing being stated is that at least some of these parcels were inherited 200+ years ago.
So if the narrative that is being pushed is even remotely true than I would expect the state of Hawaii to step in first and confiscate the land (because of the alleged back taxes not being paid), then 'maybe' the state can sell it.
Typical Jew...
They have a lot of experience nuking tropical paradises, why not put their knowledge to good use finally? There's only one owner and if you time it just right, he'll be gone with the wind after the test...
We used to have a Bill of Rights. Now, with the rights gone, all we have left is the bill.
There is a special place in hell for people like Mark Zuckerberg and Vinod Khosla.
Perhaps mr Zuckerberg will learn what it is when a small group people have indiscriminate access to ones properties.
Please go fuck yourself you spoiled little bitch....
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Yes, we desperately needed a refresher on what an ass this guy is.
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When the IRS stole all of Willie Nelson's property to sell at auction, the Hell's Angels swarmed the landscape impelling road blockage for a select few of the chosen people to arrive with bags of pennies to buy back all of Willie's life estate for him.
Dahhhhh!
Zuckerberg is a Progressive. Progressives don't give two shits about rule of law, property rights, or castes below themselves - unless they agree to be dictated on how to live their lives.
U.S. Navy only tampered the Queendom of Hawaii to force all conceived children in the concurrent jurisdiction to birth into the FED's stillborn birth-certificate trust indenture future intrest collateral wagering scheme known as Social Security by the American Banknote Company through the Depository and Trust Company exported to a FRCP 44.1 foreign country (forein to United States and States of America too) Jekyll Island company as the Federal Reserve System (has a governor like does a state).
I mean c'mon, how many of you people even RTFA or took 5 seconds to understand what it was about?
The automatic go to if "rich people suck" is boring.
From the article, this is exactly why this process is used,. By filing they have to notify the owners (most of whom have no idea they own anything) and then they get a chance to settle up (if in arrears) and sell before the government just seizes the land and auctions it off.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
He followed standard Hawaiian procedure for identifying land owners of essentially abandoned properties. The suit requires the owners to be identified and served before any actions are taken and if they choose to they can simply ensure all property taxes are up to date (or make arrangements) and then continue using/not using the land as they desire.
Zuckerberg isn't forcing anyone off their land; most of the owners don't even know it exists but after this they will and can possibly make a few dollar off of it.
Of course that's just my opinion...... you could be wrong!
If one were to read background info on this, they would discover this is how you have to go forward to identify owners of these types of parcels. It is normal practice to sue to find out the individuals who have rights to the land. Many of the individuals don't know they could possibly have a right to the land. It doesn't force the owners to sell, but it does force the courts to go through the process and identify who may have legals rights to the land. In many cases since it is split evenly between ALL survivors, you could have over 100 individuals all with equal shares and rights to the the parcel.
A crook who created something as crappy as fb can only be a mean person. I say expel the crook from Hawaii and expropriate whatever he bought there.
If Zuckerberg is being as big an asshole as this article claims, why hasn't the story been picked up by national news services? They would love a story like this. It would top several days of news cycles.
It doesn't pass the sniff test.
The "Who knew ... just another kind of Native Americans?" junk is particularly stupid. The people called "Native Americans" today are just the descendants (ignoring how many of them are also descended from Europeans, sometimes proportionally more so than from non-Europeans) of the most recent waves of migration to the Americas from Eurasia [wikipedia.org]. It's rarely mentioned how these later waves likely destroyed previous cultures in the Americas, such as the Clovis people [wikipedia.org], because that wouldn't fit with the leftist narrative of today's "Native Americans" being perpetual victims.
I have only one thing to say...
Fuck you right up your white ass. It must be nice to be white and feel you have entitlement to whatever you put your eyes on. If you can't buy it or steal it you take it by force.
The most recent migration was Europe dumping it thugs, thieves, and whores onto our shores now we have the Sons and Daughters of these low lifes such as yourself still taking whatever they feel they are entitled to.
We have a word just for you Unaga Soque
Translation: White Pig.
Native America
Fighting terrorism (and assholes like yourself) since 1492
How's life in the hypocrite lane?