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Vivaldi CEO: Stop Your Anti-Competitive Practices With Edge, Microsoft! (betanews.com)
Reader Mark Wilson writes: Microsoft is no stranger to pissing people off, particularly when it comes to Windows 10. There have been endless cries about forced updates, complaints about ads, moaning about privacy, and now the CEO of Vivaldi has lashed out at the company for its anti-competitive practices with Microsoft Edge. Jon von Tetzchner says that Microsoft has forgotten about the "actual real-life people that use technology in their daily lives." He takes particular umbrage at Windows 10's continued insistence of resetting the default browser to Edge. Indicating that his patience has now run out, von Tetzchner points to a 72-year-old friend who was confused by the change and unable to reverse things. He says that Microsoft is failing to respect the decisions made by users, and this is something that needs to stop.
In the brave new world of Big Data, users are not customers. Users are raw products to be quantified, classified and sold to advertisers and marketers. What users want is not important - it's the ones that actually pay Microsoft that matter.
How come Slashdot never gets Slashdotted?
He says that Microsoft is failing to respect the decisions made by users, and this is something that needs to stop.
At least Apple doesn't do this. Apple always goes with the decisions made by the users....never mind it does this because it makes the choices *for* the users and only offers one plan, but hey...at least the users and company are on the same page?
Major updates often do reset user defaults for some people.
"Vivaldi Technologies is a Software Development company, most known for its creation of the Vivaldi browser." https://vivaldi.com/
Minor detail the article and summary leave out.
Maybe Microsoft uses all the data it has on you to determine whether you are good with the computer or bad, and if they know it wouldn't be useful to turn the default to edge because you can handle the computer well enough to set it back to your preference, they don't even try. On the other hand, if you are a 72 year old...
I use windows 10 on a couple of computers all set with chrome as the default and have never had an issue with edge somehow being my default. The only time I ever see edge is because I do use one web site that only works with it and if click on some of the default tiles it uses edge but then it covers up and remove much of the UI for the purpose of display just that tile info that you would not recognize it as a regular browser.
Until they're slapped with SIGNIFICANT, ongoing, escalating fines, or the company is seriously threatened with a breakup, not a single fuck will be given.
Chas - The one, the only.
THANK GOD!!!
I suspect that Microsoft has a huge amount of A/B testing going on. 50/50 chance your browser gets reset and the 50 that don't go out and blame the 50 that do for screwing it up somehow.
My coworker and I both ended up with the win10 home version after the 7 to 10 upgrade. She regularly gets popups when launching Chrome about how secure Edge is, I have never gotten one.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
If you could uninstall Edge, then it would be a non-issue, since you could then make sure that a given user would never encounter that problem. Since you can't get rid of Edge, however, the problem will inevitably be encountered. Therefore it is an issue.
Vivaldi to Microsoft: Stop Your Anti-Competitive Practices!
Microsoft to Vivaldi: No.
Seriously, Microsoft barely even listens to governments anymore, you really think they care about about browser that has less market-share than even Firefox?
More likely is that you have disabled them. There is a setting for it.
I've had my Win 10 machine for 10 months, I set the default browser to Firefox when I got it and it has NEVER tried to reset to Edge. I am calling shenanigans on this Vivaldi bozo and his friend...
No but it does prompt you every once in a while to ask if you want to keep your default browser and offers up everything that's registered to handle URLs. It does this no matter what the default is set to, even Edge. They do the same for documents. I've had Windows prompt me to ask if I want to keep opening .docx files with Word. Happens probably once every 6 months or so. I imagine if someone wasn't paying attention they could switch the default by mistake.
I think they do it to make sure the user is aware of what is default and that something hasn't hijacked it, and to allow users to change the preference without having to go digging for it (aka Grandpa). Unfortunately I think MS grossly overestimates the ability of most users to read a prompt before clicking random buttons to make it go away.
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
Honestly, is there anyone that does actually use the Edge browser? I don't, since I avoid 10 like the plague that it is. My CO, who did a review of it, just apsolutly hated it. It worked fine out of the proverbial box, but had next to no plug-in support. Like any ab blocks are enhance cookie management for privacy.
I don't get it reset...but now every time I start up a browser that isn't Edge, it pop ups a little warning saying how Edge is a better and safer browser.
It feels like it's acting like the guy who never gets picked, but keeps trying, hoping that one day he'll be the one who gets out of the dugout, dropping hints to the coach that _he_ could do better than the regulars. "Boy, you wouldn't even be on the team, but you're the owners son, so I can't fire you."
It reset the default browser after the big October update; re-enabled Cortana and put it back on the task bar if you'd disabled it IIRC. Several updates (including the big October one) have also put Edge and the Windows Store back in your task bar if you had unpinned them.
Source: I maintain a few dozen computers spread among various clients (small businesses) as a side job. My SOP was to disable Cortana and remove it, Edge, and the Windows Store from the task bar. It was a major PITA having to do this over and over on so many computers. I seriously doubt it was user error - that would've required a few dozen users to simultaneously decide "I think I'll re-enable Cortana and pin it, Edge, and the Windows store back to my task bar" to jive with my experience Microsoft may have done it again recently - I got fed up with it and just disabled the update service on my personal Win 10 machine so I wouldn't know. My next planned update is beginning of Feb. Haven't yet made the rounds this month to check my clients' computers.
Tetzchner used his influence as a friend to foist it on them
Or Tetzchner's friend didn't like it. Then one day when Tetzchner saw him using Edge and cried foul, the friend reached for the easiest scapegoat: "Uh... Microsoft must have changed my browser!"
So... Microsoft automatically has the high ground for who gets to use seniors as their guinea pig? Interesting to see Slashdot take their side for a change.
What part of "install a few different browsers and let them choose instead of using seniors as guinea pigs" didn't you understand, troll?
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
He takes particular umbrage at Windows 10's continued insistence of resetting the default browser to Edge. Indicating that his patience has now run out, von Tetzchner points to a 72-year-old friend who was confused by the change and unable to reverse things.
People running Firefox or Chrome haven't run into this problem ...
"Transparent" is a shit show that trades on every stereotype going. A man in drag is NOT a transsexual.
Every major windows 10 build update resets your program defaults to all of the Microsoft applications (including edge) and pins several Microsoft applications to your taskbar if you've unpinned them. Namely edge, store, and cortana.
So far in the history of windows 10, this has happened four times.
Not only that, but the fact that seemingly every time there's some kind of Windows update, Windows changes it's default PDF handling application to Edge as well. Like, really? Fix that shit!
Which is 4 times too many
She regularly gets popups when launching Chrome about how secure Edge is, I have never gotten one.
Settings > System > Notifications and Actions > "Get tips, tricks and suggestions as you use Windows" > NO! WTF WERE YOU THINKING, NO!
I can't drag and drop bookmarks on the Edge bookmark toolbar, a vital part of how I use a browser, so until that happens, Edge is completely unusable for me.
Wow, people still posts these replies? Because, if there is ONE thing windows is known for over the years, it is a complete guarantee of consistency. That what happens on one machine happens on millions of others.
As a counterpoint, my work machine would reset html and pdf file associations back to edge on a weekly basis. Had to edit the registry to get rid of the behaviour.
True. Linux is catching up to windows in the "removal of choice" dept.
I wonder if the Trumpian political environment has emboldened MS to return to its pushy monopolistic ways.
Table-ized A.I.
Meanwhile, my popups tell me to buy Office365. Maybe Microsoft is just throwing things at the wall to see what sticks...
A friend of mine has a visual impairment. He has often complained that Windows 10 updates have reset his accessibility options, like the mouse button binding he uses for the magnifier. Microsoft won't care about browser preferences being reset, but maybe a fine for disobeying the Americans with Disabilities Act will get them to get their act together.
It's named Vivaldi because it's made by a company led by some of the same people who were behind Opera, and they want to capitalize on the name without ending up in court. In the association game, if you say "Vivaldi", the word you get back is likely "Opera".
In other words, they market it as a browser that they don't believe can stand on its own behind its own proud name, but needs help by alluding to a better known product.
Unfortunately, I think the fat lady sings for both Opera and Vivaldi.
I can tell you that this is done at the product group level. They are goaled with user adoption metrics so you will find many of these things types of anti-competitive 'features' in their releases and updates. Ultimately it is the fault of management for not reigning in this practice.
Only if you defer all updates. Every major Windows 10 update resets a lot of settings to Microsoft default.
"It's such a fine line between stupid and clever" -- David St. Hubbins, Spinal Tap
You are right. Most Linux supporters don't complain about systemd, in the same way. Except for the small few that have moved to Devaun Linux, Slackware Linux, Void Linux, Alpine Linux, Guix Linux, etc. They might still complain because they moved to Distros that don't have forced systemd and the bigger box distros developing everything as if systemd is the only init system that matters. This means that systemd free or optional systems need to do extra development on anything glued to systemd.
Then there are the one like me that moved to BSD systems. I treated Linux the same way I did Windows when it got stupid. With that said, at least people can officially support Linux without systemd.
But you still have a valid point. There are plenty of Linux users that don't realize how powerless they are, even when GNU, Libre and OpenSource are under their hoods. I'd like to see a show of hands for all the folks that have examined even RMS' GNU version of Firefox to see how well that code respects them as a user. Or is the trust all based on assumption? I won't ever use Windows again, If I have a choice. But at least you know outrightly that you shouldn't trust their products. Which is good for a hand full of people that follow labels around like facts.
Those that trust Linux because it is GNU/Opensource(and sometimes Libre) are almost as bad as those that trust Microsoft because it is a paid for product.
As much as I dislike systemd, it's hardly the same thing at all. IE and Edge are applications that should be no more or less embedded than any other application. Systemd is a system-level component/utility. The equivalent would be demanding that Microsoft take out, say, the event logging system.
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It says something about far Microsoft has fallen that not even leveraging their power over the operating system can get them any penetration with their built-in browser. I'd say they have not only lost the browser war, they're no longer in the same browser universe. Part of it has to do with the fact that Edge is truly a horrible piece of software, and part of it is that Google has basically colonized Windows with Chrome.
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... why does Microsoft feel it has to resort to such underhanded tactics to get people to use it?
Removing IE from Windows 8 and 8.1 was a breeze. You had to go to windows components and uncheck it. I have done in several occasion. It was possible since Windows XP embedded / Windows Fundamentals for legacy PCs
Or moved to Oracle Linux 6. That also doesn't have the Cry Baby Poettering carp, has Gnome 2, and has security updates for free for quite a while.
You've never been to this site before have you? I mean the claim that people are not /were not up in arms over systemd is down right laughable. Either that or your a YUUUGE Hillary fan and are jumping on the alternative facts bandwagon.
FTFY
There's a big enough contingent unhappy with systemd to fork Debian. Windows users, however, can't fork Windows. With Linux, if you don't like it, you can change it. With Windows, it's a Hobsons choice of whichever Windows variant you like from a choice of 1.
John_Chalisque
Windows 7 was the last decent OS they released.
We use Windows 10 at work, due to the fact we have to use Visual Studio and Windows 10 is a sorry excuse for an OS, not only does Edge reset itself constantly, Skype locks up, Visual Studio locks up and crashes constantly, the boot time is HORRIBLE, everything is sluggish, the keyboard ghosts and that's just for starters. This morning my computer decided it would reset itself and all of it settings, for no F'ing reason.
My computer doesn't have any viruses and it doesn't have any kind of hardware problem. I've seen this exact behavior now on three completely separate computers that even have different hardware, so it's not a hardware platform problem either, it's typical Microsoft failing to place nice.
If Microsoft didn't corner the market for certain development channels, everyone would switch to either GNU / Linux or MAC, two operating systems that vastly outrank Windows in almost every possible avenue. In fact I feel completely comfortable in saying that GNU/Linux makes Windows seem like a mentally slow inbred cousin of an operating system in comparison. I would pick Gentoo or Ubuntu over Windows 10 in every possible comparison, even for development, and force Visual Studio to run under Wine, which would still be more stable and outperform it running on Windows 10..
I've already been on the phone with Microsoft several times to try and solve these problem we're having and it's pointless, they can't provide any help, they don't understand the problem and they don't have any kind of actual answer that is suitable. Windows 10 is flat out horse shit, the streaming kind.
should abandon making apps for ms-windows and focus on making apps for Linux, make them portable so all anyone has to do is unzip them in the users home dir ~/[my_app_name] and run the executable, and when ms-windows starts losing too much userbase because of their anti-competitive methods of conducting themselves they might change their tune,
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Such bullshit. Citation please?
November Update (2015) and the Anniversary Update both reset the default browser. Though I think Microsoft patched the Anniversary Update to stop doing this part way through the rollout. I forced updated to Anniversary Update, so my browser preference was reset.
Of course the real elephant in the room is that Windows was updated to ignore your browser preference. Cortana.
Microsoft, Apple, Google, Amazon what's the difference? All steal money from devs and control with walled gardens.
I am just happy the full monopoly of init.d is gone.
If something is so important that you feel the need to post it on the internet... It probably isn't that important.
"He says that Microsoft is failing to respect the decisions made by users"
I simply cannot believe that a giant, greedy, faceless, amoral corporation like Microsoft would pay so little attention to what their users want.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
We can tell Microsoft to go fork themselves.
Just avoid win 10!
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
wget
Someone correct me but wasn't MS forced to provide the default program option because of just this happening? All the millions of dollars wasted getting a conviction for being a abusive monopoly and here we go again same issues and many more on top of that. It time for a break up people.
Jack of all trades,master of none
There needs to be *something* available to download your preferred browser when things stop working (or with a fresh install).
I think we need to move past this claim that a browser is some optional application like Quickbooks.
wget
That works, and so do text-only browsers. But, throughout all of my time of using (mainstream) browsers, I have not had one come to such an irreparable state that I could not download either a different browser or a different version of the same browser.
Sure, it seems (I guess) like generosity on the part of MS to provide a fallback means to getting Chrome or Opera back if one of them completely fails, but how often does that actually happen? How often are users left with no browser at all because it has become crippled in such a way that makes it impossible to get another browser/copy of browser?
Clearly Windows isn't ready for the desktop.
While this isn't a option for most people, the Windows 10 LTSB is what Windows 10 should be.
No Edge.
No Store (this can be sideloaded though).
No Cortana.
Control over updates/reboots
Control over telemetry data.
Does MS post Grey's law in the lobby of their headquarters?
love is just extroverted narcissism
There needs to be *something* available to download your preferred browser when things stop working (or with a fresh install).
I think we need to move past this claim that a browser is some optional application like Quickbooks.
Yes an OS should come with a minimal browser to get you started. Once you've downloaded a replacement, you should be able to uninstall that minimal browser or at least totally remove it from your desktop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Complaining about Microsoft is like complaining about partisan politics in the U.S. We'll deride the two-party system just as we will lash out a MS, but when it comes decision making time, most of us get in line like lemmings.
If you don't like systemd, you're free to choose a Linux distro which doesn't have it. There are plenty of such distros around, including Slackware and Devuan. And if that's not good enough for you, you're free to roll your own distro. It isn't that hard to do, and all the components are freely available.
Try that with Windows.
All the monopoly regulations on them expired and with Apple and Linux where they are now, you'd have a lot of trouble convincing a court MS is a monopoly. In the desktop market they are still the big dog, but Apple is a major competitor. Macs are all over the place. In the server market MS is a big player, but so is Linux. I don't know what the split is, but it wouldn't surprise me to find out Linux is on top. In the mobile arena MS is a nothing. Linux (in the form of Android) is by far the biggest with iOS coming in #2.
Thus there's no argument to be made for a monopoly position. When there's very real competition out there in all segments of your market, you aren't a monopoly. Well if you aren't a monopoly, then anti-competition laws don't apply. Companies are free to lock-in their own solution. Again for a great example see Apple, who (tried to) lock their software to their hardware and puts everything in their own controlled ecosystem.
Sorry, but the MS monopoly ship has sailed. Unless the market changes significantly, they are just another player, which means they can do this kind of thing.
Hahahaha!!! You really think Trump's DOJ is going to prosecute that case? Wake up.
... nobody would care. How can they build browsers for 20+ years and STILL fuck it up?
Obama was just a much better liar than trump
It reset the default browser after the big October update; re-enabled Cortana and put it back on the task bar if you'd disabled it IIRC. Several updates (including the big October one) have also put Edge and the Windows Store back in your task bar if you had unpinned them.
Didn't happen to me. I've got three Win10 machines and also remove/hide/disable Cortana, Edge and the MS Store, and haven't seen them again since. Are these updates different based on location?
I think another angle is there is a longstanding behavior for users to not use the built-in Windows browser. The fact the name "changed" from IE to Edge doesn't factor for people. They just go "Oh, this is that Windows browser again? Well, disable as usual and download the one I always use."
This is why we use either Linux or OS X. :)
I find it to be no problem at all to install Debian without systemd. Sure, if you want the last bit of inert systemd cruft to be removed, it takes a bit more effort, but even that is hardly "impossible". On the other hand, there are enough morons that do not see that systemd is really a power-grab to the detriment of Linux.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
I think MS needs to be threatened with a 500M fine again by the EU...
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Sounds like criminal anti-competitive practices to me. Well, they will do it until they get slapped down. Would not be the first time.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
My impression is that MS is not even trying anymore. Win 10 becomes less and less ready for the desktop.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Pro tip: if the only way you can get people to install your product is by tricking, browbeating, and pestering them, your product probably sucks.
It's strange how angry Linux supporters get about how it isn't really possible to remove IE or Edge from Windows without breaking things.
Linux supporter here. I don't give a fuck about it.
Well, technically it is a violation of the federal anti-hacking laws to alter, view or delete data on someones computer without permission. Now, I am sure that MS lawyers would argue that by installing windows updates you are granting them just that permission, but it seems to me that any impartial judge would agree with an argument to the effect that this implicit permission has limits and that MS doesn't have Cart Blanche to do anything to your system that they want during an update.
perhaps a quick trip down to the local Federal Court would settle this matter.
HAHA, I USED THE WORD QUICK IN A DESCRIPTION OF A LEGAL PROCESS.....
HA! I just wasted some of your bandwidth with a frivolous sig!
Well, that and Edge just plain sucks.
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Yes an OS should come with a minimal browser to get you started. Once you've downloaded a replacement, you should be able to uninstall that minimal browser or at least totally remove it from your desktop
Some OSes do, most don't. In fact often the system relies on browser components because they've become integral to personal computing, iOS and OSX for example do not let you uninstall the browser at all, the former doesn't let you even install a replacement. If you want a barebones OS with no programs that you then have to go and download every little bit you need then you can go and get a minimal Linux distro.
This isn't 1995 anymore, the web is prevalent and it is expected that a computer (or computing device) be fully functional out of the box, not force the user to then have to go and install components that in this day and age are reasonably expected to already be there.
@Anonymous Coward: "I've been using win 10 for well over a year and it has never reset my browser. I'm sure his friend opened Edge and clicked yes to the "make this your default browser" dialog. Every browser has these popups. This is a non issue in my opinion."
It's understandable why you would want to remain anonymous.
"you can set Firefox as the default web browser but not really the option on the update to by pass it." Joy Kemprai - Microsoft
@Anonymous Coward: "It's strange how angry Linux supporters get about how it isn't really possible to remove IE or Edge from Windows without breaking things. They will act all outraged and indignant. Yet these same people are perfectly fine with systemd being pretty much unremovable in most recent Linux distros."
It's understandable why you would want to remain anonymous. Why would Linux supporters give a fig about Microsoft resetting the default browser to Edge when Linux users don't come across Edge on the Linux desktop?
You do have a point that the browser should not be minimal, along with the mail program, word processor, spreadsheet, photo and video editing software etc.
On the other hand, internet access is pretty common now and people should be able to have choice including at least changing their defaults, removing icons from the desktop and have their choice stick.
Apple and especially IOS are special cases and expecting much out of them for choice is like expecting choice in a console.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_totalitarianism
Poke out all their eyes, and maybe they will.
On newer builds of windows 10, when you install another browser, the browser asks you to go into the default applications page of windows and make your choice. Whenever you do, Windows tries one last time to get you to stick with edge: "Are you really sure? Why not try Edge?"
You have to click a smaller link that says something like "(sheepishly) yes, do it anyway"...
And where is the EU this time?
After having a remote machine running Win10 go into an eternal reboot loop after forcing us to run win update to install a driver for a Roland USB MIDI dongle, not being able to boot into safe mode, and having to drive over there on very short notice to fix it, I have now had it with MS. After all the telemetry crap, the forced updates, f-ing ads in the start menu (!), etc etc My next laptop will be a mac book pro, and every where else i will be running either debian linux or OS X. I am a professional developer for 15+ years, targeting mainly the windows platform, but now i'm willing to go the extra length to finally learn some cross platform frameworks and dev on linux only.
You do have a point that the browser should not be minimal, along with the mail program, word processor, spreadsheet, photo and video editing software etc.
Just about every computer user is going to need a browser, the other things you listed...not so much.
Apple and especially IOS are special cases and expecting much out of them for choice is like expecting choice in a console.
They aren't 'special cases'. The fact that they don't give you choice at all makes them 'special'? Maybe Microsoft should just take away choice completely and become 'special' like Apple.
Hardly surprising. Everybody knows Microsoft is staggering updates, so not everyone gets the latest at once. The classic way to treat customers as guinea pigs, completely at random. It's also a great way to argue that "only a small number of people" are having problems with a new update, as MS does with every update that goes wrong.
What bothers me the most is that the OS seems to adjust its configuration and behavior based on how you use the system. I've already seen behavior that if you defer updates too many times, the OS will disable the defer feature by greying it out in the control panel. How is a company supposed to reliably test features like this if behavior is actually designed to be inconsistent?
Do you have developer mode turned on?
(N/T)
More like 5 times too many--counting the original installation that sets them up as defaults to start with.
You have no idea how laws work. If MS were to do that, they would cease to exist and its executives would be sitting in prison for computer sabotage. If you sell something to somebody, you cannot unilaterally cancel the trade afterwards. But yes, you are stupid, so I cannot really expect you to even know the basics.
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Yeah, that one's a pain in the arse. Removing the folder from Quick Access will make it behave itself again.
Obviously we need a real fix but I won't be holding my breath.
It's never too late to have a happy childhood.
init.d is a directory name, not a program. There were (and are) several SysV-style init programs for Linux.
Is that you, Poettering? Your usual level of knowledge is showing...
No, but apparently I did disable "get tips tricks and suggestions" like one of the other posters said, though I don't remember doing that and I'm not sure I'd have found that setting at random what with the complete and utter pile of garbage the win10 settings screens are. Or maybe it shipped to me with it off and to her with it on?
A while back some troll here accused me of being an idiot because the windows 10 upgrade installed with "Use accent color" turned off and I complained that it was impossible to tell which window was focused because they were all the same color. Looking now, it appears they renamed that setting to "Use color on title bar" to explain what exactly that setting was supposed to do.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
It does this because the big "updates" are actually complete installs, in and of themselves. That is, when you update it literally re-installs itself rather than an incremental update of changed files.
And yes, it is exactly as lazy and stupid as it sounds. Microsoft figured that if Google/Apple can get away with it on mobile devices, why not PCs?
The update process is akin to how updates on mobile devices work. A big Windows update essentially re-images the system portion and leaves user data alone. They're getting ready for a future "Windows 10 as firmware" scenario.
It does do it. I had Firefox set as default browser and after the upgrade to the next insider reease it was switched to Edge.
I am not sure if it's different with the non-insider release builds, but I suspect not!
Martley, Near Worcester UK.
If you don't want to use Systemd, don't use it. It's not forced on anyone.
BeauHD. Worst editor since kdawson.
Regarding my note from earlier this morning... So I just received a brand new win10pro PC from dell to set up for work today.
The "use color on title bar" option was turned off by default, and all the windows looked exactly the same.
If I have been able to see further than others, it is because I bought a pair of binoculars.
Or another computer.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Is it better in that respect than any other respin of Dead Rat 6?
Genuine question, posting this from CentOS.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."