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Reddit Bans Far-Right Groups Altright and Alternativeright (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Social media site Reddit has banned two of the largest far-right "subreddits" groups it hosts, altright and alternativeright. The subreddits have been used in the organization of America's resurgent neofascist movement but the final straw for Reddit was the two groups' participation in what is known as "doxing": sharing private personal information without permission as a form of online harassment. The subreddits were specifically banned for breaking Reddit's content policy, according to a message posted by the site admins, "specifically, the proliferation of personal and confidential information." Reddit did not make it explicit which content infringed its rules, but it is believed to be attempts to dox the protestor who punched a white nationalist during a TV interview at Donald Trump's inauguration. Speaking to the Daily Beast, one Reddit moderator claimed that the ban was instead a result of its "record monthly traffic" (Reddit moderators, like the creators of individual subreddits, are all volunteers with no official relationship to the site's staff). "It's clear that Reddit banned us because we were becoming very popular and spreading inconvenient truths about who's ruining our country and robbing our children of a future," the moderator said.
If they're doxing, they will. You do realize of course that the bans were because of that and not because of their political leanings. I mean, you're a Slashdot user, so you of course read at least the story description.
If you think that "alt right" means "far right", you have no idea what kind of shitstorm the left is busily trying to summon by calling for assassination, coup, and terror.
See that "Preview" button?
If they think these people will go away, they're mistaken. Perhaps they feel they don't want to enable them by using Reddit's resources to organize, but, really, they were doing a huge service to the rest of society by keeping these posts out in the open where everybody can see them.
You can drive them all to locked sites on .onion services, but that is not in the public interest.
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It's the fact that the moderators failed to clamp down on it, and even encouraged posting personal data that really forced Reddit to ban the entire boards, rather than just individual users.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I re-read your post a few times and couldn't figure out exactly what you're proposing as an alternative to banning them.
And it is fascists anti-fascists. Because not only they are fascists, but they are also a semantic contradiction.
Don't take me wrong, the ban is perfectly justified, but it's always right-wing fascists who get punished. This guy had no right to punch whoever it was in the face, and this is not an isolated case. Even moderate trump supporters get constantly beaten up with no consequences. A young college girl got pepper sprayed while giving an interview at UC, and several innocent bystanders were beaten up by the anti-fascist crowd, which was destroying everything b/c they didn't like a speaker the Republican student association had invited. These people are dividing the country, and creating a climate of tension and violence way more than the alt-right.
The media coverage is ridiculous, and focus instead on actual fake stories of people who are pretending to be assaulted by Trump supporters, a claim, as far as I know, always unfounded. End of rant. Good luck America.
Yeah, Reddit isn't government, your first amendment rights to pretend you can combat radicalization by shitposting on forums do not apply.
You mean the guy who fabricated tweets about Leslie Jones to try to make her look like a racist. Yes, he doesn't care about skin color at all.
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Nah, we're still here.
Also, much like your average Slashdot poster, they hate any change and pine for the halcyon days that never actually existed.
Oh bullshit. If the white supremacists can't post on major websites, they don't get stronger. They get weaker, because the successes they've had in the last few years largely come from the fact that they've been able to hijack places like Twitter and Facebook. If they're stuck on their IP address accessed web forums or on places like Stormfront, they end up becoming what they were before, a circle jerk of racists.
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Reddit is in it for the money. Hosting far right extremists isn't good for business.
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Where's Elwood Blues when we need him?
If you start publishing personal details it is.
Stop being fucking stupid.
The groups were banned for doxxing political opponents. That is, sharing personal information (name, phone number, home address, etc.) This behaviour is explicitly against the Reddit terms of service.
The political leanings of the groups are unrelated to the ban (unless you assume a correlation between "alt-right" mentality and disregard for the established rules of a privately owned website)
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I remember someone even trying to prove Milo wasn't a racist because he likes to sleep with black man. It was pointed out that that would have made meant many of the slave owners in the American South weren't racists.
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Whatever. You're still banned,and whining about secret 'persecutorial' motivations won't do anything to change that.
Stormfront will probably host you and not bat an eye. Why do you feel so deprived? If you wanted to stay on Reddit you could simply have stamped out the doxing problem and, you know, followed Reddit's 'pretextual' rules.
Like when the banned /r/LeftWithASharpEdge a few weeks ago?
Here's the real inconvenient truth: the people in power only have one thing in common and it's money.
And they're doing all they can so that you idiots fight amongst yourselves instead of seeing that the rich are the real problem.
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Given that people like Bannon and papers like Breitbart have been denounced as white supremacists and anti Semitic, it's obvious that the term has lost all meaning. Frankly, I don't care anymore whether people call me a racist or white supremacist; it's about as ridiculous as calling me a zoophile or cannibal.
Banning these people from Reddit only means that progressives will be even more out of touch with mainstream America than they already are. That kind of ignorance doesn't hurt Republicans, it hurts Democrats and progressives. You can't effectively advocate your point of view from a position of ignorance, or by demonizing the people you want to persuade.
Learn to listen, people, or keep losing.
If you went to /r/altright as an admitted liberal, they would ban you ASAP. And reddit admins were OK with that, and I'm very begrudgingly ok with that too. But the point is they had no interest in engaging in discussion with anyone who disagreed.
Sure, "White Supremacists" can be blocked from Reddit, but what about the leftist nutjobs who believe that you should destroy other people's property and physically assault people with a different political viewpoint? I don't look at reddit as a rule, but I'd be willing to bet that extremist left wing groups exist on reddit and will not receive the same treatment as the "alt-right". That is true with Facebook and Twitter, so I assume it true on Reddit. Feel free to prove me wrong on that, I'll be happy to read about Reddit banning left wing nut jobs.
Frankly, if I had to look at who is worse right now I'd say it's the extremist progressive leftists who see no issues using violence against people simply because they have a different political view. In the last couple years, I have seen no valid reports of white supremacists out beating people. We have seen dozens of faked claims, and many of those have resulted in charges, but the "Right" has not been rioting and beating anyone. I have seen countless instances of leftists doing just that, and worse. Last night you have a young lady being interviewed on ABC punched in the face and pepper sprayed by one of these "oppressed" liberals. You have another pulled out of a car and beaten for no reason.
When you have a Government not prosecuting, or even arresting people, who are terrorizing people and preventing their free speech you will end up with a whole lot of violence from the other side. Hence you have a Trump supporter shooting an agitator at a separate rally after protesters started throwing bricks and rocks at people supporting the speaker showed up to counter protest.
People need to pay close attention to the rhetoric being used by the left right now. Sadly, the useful idiots really can't see the irony and hypocrisy in shutting down other people's free speech by committing physical violence while carrying signs and chanting slogans claiming the other side is fascist. They are claiming that words are violence, and a teacher who is an advocate for violent protests claimed that words from someone raped her. I wish I was joking, but both of those are factual. The claims that words are somehow causing physical harm is being used to justify violence against anyone not agreeing with (or bending over for) the leftists.
Trying times we are in right now, and in places like California I envision it getting worse before it gets better.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
From where I sit, external to the US but in a first world country. It doesn't look like it is foreigners that are trying to take advantage of you as an American. It looks like it is a small section of the American people that are taking advantage of the rest.
You have no safety net for your people. There is nothing that stops people falling so far that crime, even violent crime, becomes the best option. Your healthcare system lets people rot. Your regulatory system is crazy complex and yet at the same time appears totally ineffectual in so many ways. Things like guns, abortion, gay marriage are all still topics for conversations rather than just settled and not even thought about.
As a people you seem to hate your own government. The whole guns argument of needing to rise up against your government is just crazy from an outsiders perspective. You claim history, but America is far from alone in having had a war for independence. Your police force are terrified of the people they are meant to look after, so they themselves have become terrifying.
Sure there are countries out there that would like to see the US gone. Comes of being a super power and stomping around in other peoples countries. But the vast majority of the world would actually like to see the US grow, be stable and prosper. Because weirdly enough, when the US is doing well, the rest of the world does well as well. It's not a I win you lose situation.
You are so concerned about some hateful shit of a girl getting pepper sprayed... where were you when peaceful protesters on college campuses were getting hosed down with pepper spray by an agent of the state for a simple sit in?
Some of us are appalled by both events. That's the problem here, and what people on "the left" keep missing: there are plenty of us out here who aren't racists, who aren't misogynist, who think Trump is a disaster-in-waiting, but who are frankly sick and tired of the political climate where we're called misogynist racists because we simply disagree with your "progressive" politics.
You lost the election because of people like us. Instead of taking the lesson to heart, you've doubled down on it.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
The argument, and not an unreasonable one, is that African-Americans remain an economically disadvantaged group. Now we can certainly debate how much of that is due to intrinsic versus extrinsic factors, but if you're not willing to at least admit that many people in the inner cities, who primarily have been for decades poorer groups and often from minorities, live in poor economic conditions, then what you're fundamentally asserting is "black people are criminals who deserve to be shot."
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That kind of ignorance doesn't hurt Republicans, it hurts Democrats and progressives.
Identity politics is a cancer to destroy the economic left. The plebs were getting too uppity about all that income inequality stuff during Occupy Wall Street. Switch the focus from "income inequality" to "racial income inequality." Switch the issue of CEO vs worker pay to "gender pay gap." Now the leftists no longer want to smash the system, they just want to make sure enough people with approved skin color and genitalia have token positions of power, too. Think Hillary was going to "smash the patriarchy?" Of course not. She just wanted to run it.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
When Rolling Stone publishes a rape account without diligently investigating and verifying the facts as reported, the magazine and the author get sued by the associate dean, the fraternity, and the frat members involved. So consequences are a thing. What's your point?
Statistically, if you don't want to be poor do 3 things:
1) graduate high school
2) get a full time job
3) get married before you have kids
Those may be necessary conditions but they are far from sufficient conditions. You can graduate high school, get a full time job, never have kids, and easily still be making barely over half the median wage, which itself is half again the mean wage, which is still barely enough to save enough in a lifetime not to die in the street when you're old.
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And one of the primary inspirations for the Black Lives Matter movement is a cop killer and 'domestic terrorist' on the FBI's Most Wanted List, with a $2M reward on her head, according to the original founders and promoters of the hashtag and larger movement.
This isn't a conspiracy theory. A *attributed* quote from Assata Shakur is on their homepage and if you head over to Youtube, you can hear this very line being chanted in unison at dozens of different BLM protests. The women in question are widely considered to be the founders and coordinators of BLM and have given countless interviews and speeches on the subject, including one at TED (not even TEDx, but straight TED.)
But guess what? I don't assume that the majority of people who support Black Lives Matter are pro-terrorism. It's a tiny fraction. It's a tiny fraction that happens to be running the show, but a tiny fraction nonetheless.
And the same goes with the alt-right and actual racists and actual Nazis. Trash the founders all you want, but it's going to end very, very badly if the left continues to treat the entire movement and label as a monolith.