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Reddit Bans Far-Right Groups Altright and Alternativeright (theguardian.com)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Guardian: Social media site Reddit has banned two of the largest far-right "subreddits" groups it hosts, altright and alternativeright. The subreddits have been used in the organization of America's resurgent neofascist movement but the final straw for Reddit was the two groups' participation in what is known as "doxing": sharing private personal information without permission as a form of online harassment. The subreddits were specifically banned for breaking Reddit's content policy, according to a message posted by the site admins, "specifically, the proliferation of personal and confidential information." Reddit did not make it explicit which content infringed its rules, but it is believed to be attempts to dox the protestor who punched a white nationalist during a TV interview at Donald Trump's inauguration. Speaking to the Daily Beast, one Reddit moderator claimed that the ban was instead a result of its "record monthly traffic" (Reddit moderators, like the creators of individual subreddits, are all volunteers with no official relationship to the site's staff). "It's clear that Reddit banned us because we were becoming very popular and spreading inconvenient truths about who's ruining our country and robbing our children of a future," the moderator said.
If they're doxing, they will. You do realize of course that the bans were because of that and not because of their political leanings. I mean, you're a Slashdot user, so you of course read at least the story description.
If you think that "alt right" means "far right", you have no idea what kind of shitstorm the left is busily trying to summon by calling for assassination, coup, and terror.
See that "Preview" button?
If they think these people will go away, they're mistaken. Perhaps they feel they don't want to enable them by using Reddit's resources to organize, but, really, they were doing a huge service to the rest of society by keeping these posts out in the open where everybody can see them.
You can drive them all to locked sites on .onion services, but that is not in the public interest.
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It's the fact that the moderators failed to clamp down on it, and even encouraged posting personal data that really forced Reddit to ban the entire boards, rather than just individual users.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I re-read your post a few times and couldn't figure out exactly what you're proposing as an alternative to banning them.
And it is fascists anti-fascists. Because not only they are fascists, but they are also a semantic contradiction.
Don't take me wrong, the ban is perfectly justified, but it's always right-wing fascists who get punished. This guy had no right to punch whoever it was in the face, and this is not an isolated case. Even moderate trump supporters get constantly beaten up with no consequences. A young college girl got pepper sprayed while giving an interview at UC, and several innocent bystanders were beaten up by the anti-fascist crowd, which was destroying everything b/c they didn't like a speaker the Republican student association had invited. These people are dividing the country, and creating a climate of tension and violence way more than the alt-right.
The media coverage is ridiculous, and focus instead on actual fake stories of people who are pretending to be assaulted by Trump supporters, a claim, as far as I know, always unfounded. End of rant. Good luck America.
Yeah, Reddit isn't government, your first amendment rights to pretend you can combat radicalization by shitposting on forums do not apply.
You mean the guy who fabricated tweets about Leslie Jones to try to make her look like a racist. Yes, he doesn't care about skin color at all.
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Nah, we're still here.
Also, much like your average Slashdot poster, they hate any change and pine for the halcyon days that never actually existed.
White nationalist?
White? What do they mean?
Also how is the skin color of that person relevant?
Because of racist SJWs and BLM people who think it's ok to attack white people?
Oh bullshit. If the white supremacists can't post on major websites, they don't get stronger. They get weaker, because the successes they've had in the last few years largely come from the fact that they've been able to hijack places like Twitter and Facebook. If they're stuck on their IP address accessed web forums or on places like Stormfront, they end up becoming what they were before, a circle jerk of racists.
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Reddit is in it for the money. Hosting far right extremists isn't good for business.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
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On reddit?
Wow, sent an e-mail as suggested when clicking on "use classic" banner, and got a fast response that addressed my msg
If you start publishing personal details it is.
Stop being fucking stupid.
The groups were banned for doxxing political opponents. That is, sharing personal information (name, phone number, home address, etc.) This behaviour is explicitly against the Reddit terms of service.
The political leanings of the groups are unrelated to the ban (unless you assume a correlation between "alt-right" mentality and disregard for the established rules of a privately owned website)
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I remember someone even trying to prove Milo wasn't a racist because he likes to sleep with black man. It was pointed out that that would have made meant many of the slave owners in the American South weren't racists.
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While I prefer to challenge people like Yiannopoulos in public, in this case I can see a reasonable justification for not inviting him to speak.
The guy is a serial outer of trans women. At previous tasks he has held up photos of women attending those colleges, repeated their names and mocked them for being trans.
Such attacks are unacceptable and you have to prioritize the safety of students over the desire to offer them a chance to hear him speak.
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Whatever. You're still banned,and whining about secret 'persecutorial' motivations won't do anything to change that.
Stormfront will probably host you and not bat an eye. Why do you feel so deprived? If you wanted to stay on Reddit you could simply have stamped out the doxing problem and, you know, followed Reddit's 'pretextual' rules.
Like when the banned /r/LeftWithASharpEdge a few weeks ago?
Reddit and Twitter have little influence on Trump / right wing voters. This kind of move just deepens the ignorance of progressives. Good luck trying to win elections that way.
The answer to free speech you don't like is more free speech. And who knows, if you engage in a discussion, you might actually learn something and change your own mind.
Here's the real inconvenient truth: the people in power only have one thing in common and it's money.
And they're doing all they can so that you idiots fight amongst yourselves instead of seeing that the rich are the real problem.
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> removing the possibility that their ideas could be challenged in an open forum.
You really believe that was what was happening there instead of it just being an echo chamber where dissenting opinion was downvoted to oblivion? You still believe in Santa too?
With Trump as president, within a few years those could be the exact same option.
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Given that people like Bannon and papers like Breitbart have been denounced as white supremacists and anti Semitic, it's obvious that the term has lost all meaning. Frankly, I don't care anymore whether people call me a racist or white supremacist; it's about as ridiculous as calling me a zoophile or cannibal.
Banning these people from Reddit only means that progressives will be even more out of touch with mainstream America than they already are. That kind of ignorance doesn't hurt Republicans, it hurts Democrats and progressives. You can't effectively advocate your point of view from a position of ignorance, or by demonizing the people you want to persuade.
Learn to listen, people, or keep losing.
If you have to go to Stormfront to get your daily news stories, maybe its you.
If you give cretins like this a platform their idea's starts to become acceptable.
e.g maybe the holocaust was a necessary evil, argue you against that all you want and someones going to be nodding their head saying maybe it was.
See giving these idiots a platform legitimises them, maybe creationists are right maybe the earth is flat.
Ok cousin Bart believes all this bat shit insane stuff but he's a loon he is on storm front everyday. best to keep the lunatic fringe on the fringe not in your living room.
mix the crazy with the normal and crazy becomes the new normal.
There is some hope though, naturally there has been democrat reaction against Trump and his policies, over the last few days i've seen republican dislike of some of his policies and actions.
steve bannon is trumps weak spot a lot of republicans despise the man and feel Donald Trump is getting bad advice from this man, they like trump but feel he is being misled.
If Trump want's to keep republican support he has to ditch Bannon, if he doesn't he may be finding he is getting defeated by republicans.
Republicans see themselves as decent people not racist dicks and its Bannons policies which are making them look bad.
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Sure, "White Supremacists" can be blocked from Reddit, but what about the leftist nutjobs who believe that you should destroy other people's property and physically assault people with a different political viewpoint? I don't look at reddit as a rule, but I'd be willing to bet that extremist left wing groups exist on reddit and will not receive the same treatment as the "alt-right". That is true with Facebook and Twitter, so I assume it true on Reddit. Feel free to prove me wrong on that, I'll be happy to read about Reddit banning left wing nut jobs.
Frankly, if I had to look at who is worse right now I'd say it's the extremist progressive leftists who see no issues using violence against people simply because they have a different political view. In the last couple years, I have seen no valid reports of white supremacists out beating people. We have seen dozens of faked claims, and many of those have resulted in charges, but the "Right" has not been rioting and beating anyone. I have seen countless instances of leftists doing just that, and worse. Last night you have a young lady being interviewed on ABC punched in the face and pepper sprayed by one of these "oppressed" liberals. You have another pulled out of a car and beaten for no reason.
When you have a Government not prosecuting, or even arresting people, who are terrorizing people and preventing their free speech you will end up with a whole lot of violence from the other side. Hence you have a Trump supporter shooting an agitator at a separate rally after protesters started throwing bricks and rocks at people supporting the speaker showed up to counter protest.
People need to pay close attention to the rhetoric being used by the left right now. Sadly, the useful idiots really can't see the irony and hypocrisy in shutting down other people's free speech by committing physical violence while carrying signs and chanting slogans claiming the other side is fascist. They are claiming that words are violence, and a teacher who is an advocate for violent protests claimed that words from someone raped her. I wish I was joking, but both of those are factual. The claims that words are somehow causing physical harm is being used to justify violence against anyone not agreeing with (or bending over for) the leftists.
Trying times we are in right now, and in places like California I envision it getting worse before it gets better.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
"Troll" doesn't mean "something I disagree with."
From where I sit, external to the US but in a first world country. It doesn't look like it is foreigners that are trying to take advantage of you as an American. It looks like it is a small section of the American people that are taking advantage of the rest.
You have no safety net for your people. There is nothing that stops people falling so far that crime, even violent crime, becomes the best option. Your healthcare system lets people rot. Your regulatory system is crazy complex and yet at the same time appears totally ineffectual in so many ways. Things like guns, abortion, gay marriage are all still topics for conversations rather than just settled and not even thought about.
As a people you seem to hate your own government. The whole guns argument of needing to rise up against your government is just crazy from an outsiders perspective. You claim history, but America is far from alone in having had a war for independence. Your police force are terrified of the people they are meant to look after, so they themselves have become terrifying.
Sure there are countries out there that would like to see the US gone. Comes of being a super power and stomping around in other peoples countries. But the vast majority of the world would actually like to see the US grow, be stable and prosper. Because weirdly enough, when the US is doing well, the rest of the world does well as well. It's not a I win you lose situation.
So you think reddit shouldn't have banned them for doxxing just because they are alt-right?
You are so concerned about some hateful shit of a girl getting pepper sprayed... where were you when peaceful protesters on college campuses were getting hosed down with pepper spray by an agent of the state for a simple sit in?
Some of us are appalled by both events. That's the problem here, and what people on "the left" keep missing: there are plenty of us out here who aren't racists, who aren't misogynist, who think Trump is a disaster-in-waiting, but who are frankly sick and tired of the political climate where we're called misogynist racists because we simply disagree with your "progressive" politics.
You lost the election because of people like us. Instead of taking the lesson to heart, you've doubled down on it.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
How about the "Muslim scare", where anyone with brown skin is automatically assumed to be a dangerous terrorist, and that people who belong to a one-billion member religion that isn't even in and of itself homogeneous are all declared to be part of some "Muslim hoard" that's going to take over America and declare Sharia law (meanwhile, ironically, some Evangelical and Conservative Catholic hold positions that would be more compatible with Sharia).
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That kind of ignorance doesn't hurt Republicans, it hurts Democrats and progressives.
Identity politics is a cancer to destroy the economic left. The plebs were getting too uppity about all that income inequality stuff during Occupy Wall Street. Switch the focus from "income inequality" to "racial income inequality." Switch the issue of CEO vs worker pay to "gender pay gap." Now the leftists no longer want to smash the system, they just want to make sure enough people with approved skin color and genitalia have token positions of power, too. Think Hillary was going to "smash the patriarchy?" Of course not. She just wanted to run it.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
No, Reddit has a very selective policy when it comes to banning people that do shit like this: https://www.popehat.com/2013/0...
Twitter has the same "issue" - as long as your viewpoint fits within the dogma of the SJW groupthink, you're free to do whatever including threatening and harassing.
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Are you suggesting that people like you, who think that Trump is a disaster waiting to happen, voted for him because you were upset with an unrelated group?
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
When Rolling Stone publishes a rape account without diligently investigating and verifying the facts as reported, the magazine and the author get sued by the associate dean, the fraternity, and the frat members involved. So consequences are a thing. What's your point?
So the chance that a guy might out a trans person is equal to smashing building windows, setting fires, and assaulting people?
I think the safety of the students was completely ignored when the police and local government let masked and armed mobs engage in violent insurrection specifically designed to curtail freedom of speech. That kind of attack is unacceptable in my opinion.
No need to argue. I understand that as long as you are getting your way you will support the means and you will find a way to justify it.
When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
So a subreddit that bans people for having dissenting views is bitching that a private company banned their subreddit, ostensibly for their dissenting views? I wouldn't have any sympathy for them even if they weren't a bunch of fucking nazis.
Someone, please come up with a rationalization for how the subreddit's banning of dissent doesn't count because it's different when reddit does it.
... people who are committed to reddit do not fully appreciate how insignificant they are to those of us outside of reddit.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Show me one statement I made which is not factual. When media cherry picks portions of a topic to fit an agenda, showing the rest of the topic is valid and correct. I'm not a Kelly Ann Conway fan, but that is exactly what her statement meant. Let me give you an easy example. The recent moratorium on immigration is touted as anti Muslim, racist, etc... ignores very basic facts.
Facts: The US does not run out and investigate people trying to enter the US. Like every other country in the world we rely on the country of origin to provide paperwork and validate status for any person trying to enter. The countries on the list are _all failed States_ who can not provide information on people traveling in and out of their countries with any reliability. Do you think there is any reliable Government agency in Syria or Libya who can validate that people leaving their countries are not criminals? (READ: That does not imply that everyone in a State is a criminal, it states explicitly that there is no way to validate the status of the foreign Government with any reliability.)
Given that set of facts most Americans (last poll was around 65%) understand why there is a travel ban and take no issue with it. Liberal media however won't provide any factual information on how immigration works, nor will them or the leftist politicians, explain the real issue. Instead, it's fear mongering opinions based on very little factual information.
I'm as critical and cynical of my Government as anyone you can find. At the same time, I will defend what is right when it's right. On this issue, and considering that the US is the largest target for terrorism in the world, I will defend them. Now if they had banned immigration from all 50 majority Muslim countries, or established religious testing (as some fear mongering liars have been attempting to claim), I would be fighting against the administration.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Trump won because he listened to what the majority of America was concerned about.
I don't know, I admit that it is possible we have differing views because we come from different countries. In Israel's history, when our state was more communist-like, the left censored people much more. In the 70s it began relaxing, and now it's coming back to some extent as a pale copy of US's SJW.
Regarding antifa and marxist-anarchists, I agree that you are right about them, but where I live we have "Lehava" (Flame in english) an organization that just goes in the street and randomly beats male arabs who talk with female jews. In Israel antifa is roughly 30 people and they don't really do much except for writing in facebook. Our right winger parliament is suing someone for shitting on the israeli flag and putting it on youtube.
In other words, It's a matter of which country you are. I don't know, I fail to see any difference between the right and the left in this matter. Both, when they have enough power, begin trying to shut up the opposition.
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You voted for a racist.
I did? That's news to me. I haven't voted for a two-party presidential candidate in over 15 years.
You are a racist, regardless of the rest of your politics.
Like I said: instead of listening to the message, you're doubling down.
What part of "shall not be infringed" is so hard to understand?
Aren't higher percentages harder to get when there are more people?
And your antisemitism example is correct but not the only one. That's why I feel that convincing people will usually not work, there are too many taboos. If you have criticism against feminism, you are a rapist. If you have criticism against nationalism, you are a traitor. If you have crticism against the jewish religion* , you are a nazi.
* - Believe me, I'm ethnically jewish, I live in israel, I can tell you that our religion is pretty sick and if any western country decides to abolish circumsision I'm all for it, despite the fact that it's "trying to eliminate a culture"
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Well, if you have a FFL, the regulators post your details openly on the Internet. This often includes your home address, name, phone number and more.
There were some examples of outright harassment, as well. I'll dig those up since you decided to stick your head in the sand and call someone out instead of spending a few seconds yourself. You're probably just trolling, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt - perhaps your fingers are sore from a long day in the cubicle.
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Liberals dox frequently, likely started the cowardly trend and MSM never complains when they do it. So, no Reddit isn't taking the high ground here. In very broad, heavy handed strokes, they're censoring views that are differ from their own and the FCC or FTC (whatever is relevant to fine or chop them up into competing entities) should go after them. P.S. Fck Reddit anyway, its just a hangout for hipsters, pedos and criminals.
And one of the primary inspirations for the Black Lives Matter movement is a cop killer and 'domestic terrorist' on the FBI's Most Wanted List, with a $2M reward on her head, according to the original founders and promoters of the hashtag and larger movement.
This isn't a conspiracy theory. A *attributed* quote from Assata Shakur is on their homepage and if you head over to Youtube, you can hear this very line being chanted in unison at dozens of different BLM protests. The women in question are widely considered to be the founders and coordinators of BLM and have given countless interviews and speeches on the subject, including one at TED (not even TEDx, but straight TED.)
But guess what? I don't assume that the majority of people who support Black Lives Matter are pro-terrorism. It's a tiny fraction. It's a tiny fraction that happens to be running the show, but a tiny fraction nonetheless.
And the same goes with the alt-right and actual racists and actual Nazis. Trash the founders all you want, but it's going to end very, very badly if the left continues to treat the entire movement and label as a monolith.