Congressman Calls For Probe Into Trump's Unsecured Android Phone (cnet.com)

An anonymous reader quotes a report from CNET: President Donald Trump regularly makes news because of his tweets. Now a congressman is making news because of the device the president reportedly uses to tweet. On Friday, Congressman Ted Lieu, a Democrat from Los Angeles, wrote a letter to the House Oversight Committee requesting an investigation into Trump's cybersecurity practices. In particular, he calls out Trump's apparent decision to keep using his personal Android phone instead of a secured phone the Secret Service issued him for his inauguration. The letter is also signed by 14 other members of Congress and calls for a public hearing to discuss the issues. "The device President Trump insists on using -- most likely the Samsung Galaxy S3 -- has particularly well documented vulnerabilities," the letter says. "The use of an unsecured phone risks the president of the United States being monitored by foreign or domestic adversaries, many of whom would be happy to hijack the president's prized Twitter account causing disastrous consequences for global security. Cybersecurity experts universally agree that an ordinary Android smartphone, which the president is reportedly using despite repeated warnings from the Secret Service, can be easily hacked."

Comments

too late

[Anonymous Coward]

we all know he's fucking nuts

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Yea, Lieu and all those other whiners need to get a grip on themselves.

Re:too late

[craigminah]

"Elections have consequences" -- Obama

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

306, get over it.

Re:too late

[dougdonovan]

theres only 25% whiners, thats not bad.

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Get over what? The fact that our President is a simpleton?

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Why are you insulting the simpletons?

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Because they can only instantiate a single instance.

Re: too late

[LifesABeach]

It is believed that the more advanced a culture is, the more simple are their understandings? God, I hope not.

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

yup - and after 8 years of Obama we have more racial tension than ever before, more blacks hating cops, Iran getting payoffs....the national debt DOUBLING...

That's the consequences of voting Obama in.

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, those 'facts' don't quite add up to the truth, now do they?

Re: too late

[Dread_ed]

If you can't explain something in simple terms, you don't understand it.

Re: too late

[Zero__Kelvin]

"If you can't explain something in simple terms, you don't understand it."

Your claim falsely assumes that everything can be explained in simple terms.

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

"Elections have consequences" -- Obama

"Erections have consequences" -- Trump

Re:too late

[swillden]

after 8 years of Obama we have more racial tension than ever before

No, we don't. All of that racial tension you're seeing was already there. What happened was that having a black president encouraged black Americans to speak up about the ways in which they're systematically oppressed, which means that you are now more aware of the existing racial tension.

Re: too late

[Dread_ed]

Don't argue with me about it, I was just paraphrasing someone familiar with complex subjects.

If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough. Albert Einstein

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

"if if if if if if if" - obama

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

You are a moron. Quoting Einstein out of context and thinking that makes you look smart makes you even more of a moron.

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

National debt doubled because of Bush. Obama showed up after the banks had been bailed out AND Bush deferred a lot of the costs of the Iraq war until 2008.

Please go learn to think before you speak.

Re: too late

[dbIII]

If you can't explain something in simple terms, you don't understand it.

Way back H.G. Wells wrote a story about what happened to people with that attitude if it went too far. There were called Eloi.
Is that a polite enough response to utter bullshit? How many final year university subjects do you think can be taught effectively to a tenth grader?

Re: too late

[dbIII]

Context matters. I doubt Einstein was referring to everything.
It's just like that Feynman quote that people roll out and apply out of context to pretend that he thought all theoretical science and all applied science was not "real science", when Feynman himself did a lot of work with both.

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Bullshit. You are making up facts. Why don't you do some homework.

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Keep sucking on that right-wing nut-job propaganda teat.

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Bullshit. I'm a black American, and you are a fucking liar.

There is so much pandering and lying to people who look like me, and that never used to be this bad. Every day we're bombarded with the message that things are stacked against us, that whites hate us, that we're suffering more than ever... It's bullshit. We aren't. It's better than it ever was in my lifetime.

I am not your political agenda high-five. Fuck off.

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean to say the FBI witch hunt to turn the death of Trayvon Martin into a slam-dunk hate crime was nothing more than our nation looking into a mirror? Was Eric Holder simply fanning racist flames so that we could find the fire to "put it out"?

Sorry, I don't buy it. Race baiting is simply race baiting.

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Or how about the Department of Justice witch hunt that uncovered racist policing in Baltimore? Or use of excessive force in Chicago?

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually Bush dud have some fault in debt because he didn't use his veto power. But it was the denigrating controlled Congress that was responsible for the budget and laws that lead to the economic problems and the banking problems. Some of the banking problems started back with laws Clinton and the Democratic congress put in then.

Re: too late

[billdale]

You are hiding behind your "anonymous coward" ID, so you can't be held responsible for your inane, halfwit comments. The first commenter was right in attacking Trump for not switching to a secure phone supplied by the Secret Service... you have NO defensible grounds for YOUR attack... just like Trump, you make totally laughable comments without basis, such as Trump today claiming he had a landslide victory when he most clearly did not. Trump loves to Tak about "fake news", yet he has been one of the prime sources of bogus info, such as saying that counties and cities that grant asylum to undocumented aliens have higher crime rates and other problems, when in fact the opposite is documented to be true by official federal stats. Tell me it's not true all you wabt, but like Trump, you simply want to ignore the facts because of your xenophobic paranoia. Trump and others want to, say the undocumented are a load on the system, when the opposite is true---hundreds of thousands of them pay into Social Security because that is often the only way they can get jobs, yet their undocumented status keeps them from ever reaping Social Security benefits.

Re: too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Graham Leach and Bliley were and are all Republicans.

And Bush had all sorts of executive authority that he pissed on, because he wasted time firing US attorney's who didn't find a non-existent crime.

Re: too late

[stealth_finger]

"If you can't explain something in simple terms, you don't understand it."

Your claim falsely assumes that everything can be explained in simple terms.

It can. If you are unable you don't understand it well enough. We already established this.

Re:too late

[Anonymous Coward]

Or he stirred a lot of it up himself, making things racial that weren't. Along with much of the media. Trayvon Martin was made immediately about race with edited clips of the call to 911 to make it seem like that's why he was being targeted. The truth was much different. Don't let the truth get in the way of your great narrative though.

Re: too late

[Dread_ed]

Socrates was able to induce absolute morons into solving complex mathematical equations as well as conversing on complex subjects of logic and philosophy, simply by asking questions.

Jargon, which are the communicative bits that contain the complex subjects humans describe, are composed of a background of knowledge acquired over time. This background of knowledge is composed of modules or vignettes. Their interactions and relationships to each other and the main subject are the basis of understanding the concept fully. Explaining these sub-units of the main subject simply and clearly is an exercise for the instructor and the difficulty of doing this is completely independent of the subject matter.

Keep in mind: the skill set for communicating complex ideas to other people is quite different from the one used to work with those subjects on a daily basis. Just because you can perform tensor calculus doesn't mean you can communicate to another human how to do it. In fact, most people who are good at doing something very technical are incredibly poor communicators and teachers with those who are uninitiated in those fields. They will want someone to have a broad basic knowledge of that field before they can instruct them. You can see this on this website, on technical help forums, etc.

Reference materials on not truly knowing something until you teach someone else how to do it. This is similar.

Re: too late

[Dread_ed]

I request proof.

Show me a subject that cannot be explained simply. Keep in mind that just because you or I are not smart enough or well versed enough to explain it simply does not imply that someone else cannot.

Also, just because something takes time and effort to explain doesn't mean it is not simple. For most complex subjects you need have certain prerequisite knowledge. Just because you have to explain other subjects to someone who is ignorant of them before you explain what you are wanting to ultimately describe doesn't mean you are not explaining the subject simply.

Then again, this is probably a biased situation for me. I routinely explain complex subjects to people who initially don't understand them because I crave stimulating conversation and many people don't understand the things I am talking about without some background. If you do not engage in this behavior frequently I can assume you do not possess this skill. Not a surprise. I have noticed that as most people acquire technical skill and learning in very complex subjects their ability to effectively communicate these subjects to other people who do not have similar backgrounds atrophies.

I would use as proof of the concept the appeal and phenomenon of Richard Feynman. He had a masterful knowledge of his subject AND could communicate things simply and eloquently to a wide audience. YMMV but I ascribe to this theory. It puts the onus of communicating clearly and effectively on the one who is communicating. It also implies that you are aware of the mental state and understanding of your audience, are flexible in your method of presentation, as well as committed to the understanding of the listener.

Re:too late

[swillden]

Or he stirred a lot of it up himself, making things racial that weren't. Along with much of the media. Trayvon Martin was made immediately about race with edited clips of the call to 911 to make it seem like that's why he was being targeted. The truth was much different. Don't let the truth get in the way of your great narrative though.

The truth is that no story about a situation like Trayvon Martin's can possibly be discussed in the south (or various other parts of the country where racial tension is high) without bringing race into it, because whether you say it out loud or not, a lot of people will be assuming that if Trayvon had been white it would have gone down differently. We can't know that for sure, of course.

FWIW, I think the verdict was the only possible one because George Zimmerman's claim that Trayvon had him on the ground and was slamming his head into the pavement wasn't contradicted by any evidence. That situation easily constitutes a deadly threat and justifies the use of deadly force in response. I'm less confident that Zimmerman's story was completely true, but it wasn't inconsistent with the physical evidence and there was no eyewitness testimony.

As for Obama's comments... all he said was that it was imperative that the case be investigated thoroughly, and then he made some sympathetic remarks to Trayvon's parents. How is that "stirring up" racial tension?

I should point out that I'm no fan of Barack Obama. As a conservative-leaning libertarian, I largely disagree with his political philosophy, and I think as a president (politics aside) he was mediocre at best. As a supposed constitutional scholar I was extremely disappointed with his handling of several really important issues related to the balance of power, especially his expansion of the already excessive power held by the executive. Bush did the country great damage by expanding that power dramatically, and Obama should have rolled it back but instead he pushed the pace.

However, even though I didn't like him and didn't agree with him, I see no substance to the argument that he "stirred up" racial tension. He acknowledged it, and at several points he expressed sympathy with the black community and acknowledged his own membership in that community, but that's all. Never did he introduce it where it wasn't already present, and never did he ignore the facts and assign blame based on race. If you have any examples to the contrary, I'd like to see them.

I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

Sounds like Congressman Ted Lieu needs a nice probe shoved up his rectum. Seriously, we pay this clown for this shit?

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

Yup. This clown has only a hunch about what phone Trump uses, but he's absolutely sure it has "particularly well-documented" security problems.

Re:I got a probe for ya....

[MachineShedFred]

What, you don't think it's a good use of our elected representatives time to hold highly partisan hearings on what model phone that the President tweets with?

Because I'm sure that's the only device he has with him ever, and never does he have an aide standing by that holds onto whatever phone the Government issued him.

This is the same kind of bullshit the Republicans kept trying for the last 8 years, that Democrats bemoaned. Typical partisan hacks, hacking away instead of actually doing something to make a difference. Like writing legislation to fix problems, or listening to your constituents.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

The Twitter posts have metadata hinting at what model phone it is. The secure phone isn't even capable of communicating with Twitter. It's not just a guess, he's definitely using an insecure phone.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

That's only twitter you know. His tweets are not a state secret. That doesn't mean he uses that phone for government communication. I am not a fan of Trump but this is plain ridiculous.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[nospam007]

" The secure phone isn't even capable of communicating with Twitter. "

So his private phone is like a private email server?

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

Here is the thing you don't get. Phones can be compromised, and they have microphones and have a camera.

He could be using a secure phone for some important conversation where the android phone is just sitting on the table, but that android phone could be recording the whole thing and uploading it to some server.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[religionofpeas]

So, according to his own words, he should be locked up in prison.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[LifesABeach]

I think we have enough pictures of Trump to last a life time; I'm actually trying to repress those memories. As for recording his words? If they're understandable, then maybe I could stop laughing. I swear, one day, Trump is going to hold a press conference in his bath robe. Oh God, more memories to repress.

Conspiracy Theory: This is the greatest con of all time.

Re:I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

No - don't let them try to fix problems. Remember, these guys think the only problems are that rich people don't have enough money and companies need more freedoms to pollute and steal. Both parties are bad on some of that. The Republicans are especially bad, but neither side is "good". Let them waste their time with Bengazi hearings, Trumplestiltskin phone hearings, and other worthless crap. That way they are distracted from their real job - screwing over the American public. #MakeAmericaSickAgain #SoCalledPresident

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

How much "Top Secret" information have you seen on twitter? Why do you people try to make yourself look like morons. You cant honestly believe what you just said.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[religionofpeas]

How much "Top Secret" information have you seen on twitter? Why do you people try to make yourself look like morons.

If you think that posting "Top Secret" information on twitter is the only security risk of a private phone, you are the moron.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

" The secure phone isn't even capable of communicating with Twitter. "

So his private phone is like a private email server?

The DOJ did not prosecute Clinton for using a private email server, so Trump is fine when simply using a regular phone to send tweets.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[LynnwoodRooster]

I think the GP was implying that the President probably has a secure phone as well, for actual secure communications. Having a private, unsecured phone for non-Governmental business is perfectly legal. Having a private, unsecured phone (or e-mail server) for Government business is not.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Anonymous Coward]

It is a Galaxy S3, easily rooted.
  The important question is this:
Which has worse side effects, the
S3 and his twitter addiction,
or the meds he takes with known side effects?

Re:I got a probe for ya....

[stealth_finger]

What, you don't think it's a good use of our elected representatives time to hold highly partisan hearings on what model phone that the President tweets with?

Because I'm sure that's the only device he has with him ever, and never does he have an aide standing by that holds onto whatever phone the Government issued him.

This is the same kind of bullshit the Republicans kept trying for the last 8 years, that Democrats bemoaned. Typical partisan hacks, hacking away instead of actually doing something to make a difference. Like writing legislation to fix problems, or listening to your constituents.

I know right, people complaining the president in potentially carrying an always on audio and video recording device that uploads everything to god only knows where. Who cares if it can scrape all his passwords and emails and whatever else he puts on it. Does it really matter he may very well install malware on whatever he connects it to. Nah none of that matters in the slightest. It's all just yuge fake news, big league. Sad.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Bandraginus]

I think the issue is not so much that he might conduct government business over his private phone, it's that he always has that private phone on him. If it were to be compromised (which is likely for an old samsung), there's a non-trivial potential for audio and/or video to be captured or his GPS location to be revealed.

Re: I got a probe for ya....

[Coren22]

Perhaps you should read more about the issues with Hillary's private email server. It wasn't the phone people had issues with. Her server was found by the FBI to contain 1000 classified emails (at the time they were sent), she used a private email server to get around the official records act that would have put her communications under the FOIA, which was a law the Democrats enacted to be able to prevent, or at least detect, corruption. So, Hillary intentionally dodged the laws around FOIA, as a way to act corrupt and not get caught. How is this in any way comparable to the president (possibly!) using a private Android phone on Twitter?

How could you tell?

[Anonymous Coward]

Our president's postings are so bizarre.

Re: How could you tell?

[Anonymous Coward]

He has his pluses, but too bad he needs to be retard too. I guess all these years of Reality TV shaped his character too much...

It Just

[Anonymous Coward]

Doesn't matter.

Re:It Just

[Anonymous Coward]

It DOES matter. A hacked phone allows the hacker to access everything in the phone, like the camera, the microphone, the GPS. Trump is known to be using an out of date, hackable phone for his Twitter nonesense. Nevermind that Twitter-time should be over... you won, damn-it, now get on with doing the job instead of bitching about Hillary, who likely has already gotten rip-roaring drunk, yelled, screamed, ranted, fallen down, puked all over Bill and herself, slept it off for about a week, and moved on. Trump's still chasing invisible enemies with his Tweet phone. He needs to get down to the incredibly boring, tedious business of keeping the machinery of the country running smoothly and reliably. Instead, he's Tweeting on an old Android phone like he's still running for office, signing orders as vague as campaign slogans, and people charged with getting the job done don't know what the fuck. And all the time, Putin's listening and watching through his unsecure Tweet phone? Four years of this shit! Pray to Christ he doesn't start a war just so he can blame someone and throw all the mean people calling him names into camps!

Re:It Just

[nospam007]

"It DOES matter. A hacked phone allows the hacker to access everything in the phone, like the camera, the microphone, the GPS. "

Who cares with a president who has National Security meetings on his Dinner table in public at his Resort, being filmed and people taping secret documents with their phones.

Re:It Just

[Anonymous Coward]

Then at least his will be the most transparent Presidency in history. Much more transparent than Obama ever was.

Re:It Just

[Anonymous Coward]

Alright, smart ass.

What make model and version OS is the phone you claim to know so much about? No guessing!

Re:It Just

[Highdude702]

Not even that. They are obviously Guessing at what phone he is using. And the simple fact that they want him to use Twitter from a "secure" phone is so moronic i don't think we can call slashdot reader base "nerds" anymore let alone somebody that knows about security.

Re:It Just

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't know what OS, but he is using a Samsung Galaxy S3.

http://www.androidcentral.com/...

Re: It Just

[Anonymous Coward]

It won't be transparent to the public, it will just be transparent to whatever foreign intelligence agency manages to hack the phone.

Re: It Just

[Anonymous Coward]

You think he doesn't use that same phone for emails too? Why aren't we still freaked out about unsecured emails? Is that out of fashion now that the election is over?

Re: It Just

[rickb928]

"you won, damn-it, now get on with doing the job"

I read that his opponents complain about *what* he's doing, and that he's not doing anything.

Which is it? Neither, most of his opposition just hates him. No matter what he does.

Re:It Just

[Coren22]

From your fine article:

POTUS's 'old, unsecure Android phone' is probably a Samsung Galaxy S3 — a model from almost five years ago.

They think his phone might be a Galaxy S3.

Let's not make this political

[rmdingler]

I think the President just has to finish working on something and then he'll switch phones with the Secret Service.

Re:Let's not make this political

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey genius- this is politics.
It is pretty much all political.

Either that or it is comedy- at least that is what most of the world considers it: the tragicomedy formerly known as the United States.

Re:Let's not make this political

[Highdude702]

Yet nobody steps up to fight except a few crazy terrorists. Because its well known that once outsider step in we will look past our differences and kill whoever comes. Liberals and Conservatives are like siblings. I can punch my little brother. But if you touch him i will kill you.

Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

Well if you're unhappy with it, why not pay the $200k fee and go tell the President yourself!?

He's selling access to himself for that. No kidding.

His home, Mar-a-largo is a private club, you pay $200k to join and have wide access to the President (fee was doubled when he because President and a suite was renamed "President Suite").

It's a dog and pony show folks.

http://www.bbc.com/news/video_and_audio/headlines/39006681

Re: Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

Wait, Mar-A-Largo DIDN'T have a Presidential suite before?

That cost of membership bonds went up when he became President isn't surprising - call me when K Street lobbyists start buying memberships...

Re: Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

Ka-chink! China just grant him a trademark on Trump, he's been after it for more than a decade, and suddenly this week it's granted.
I'm guessing we'll suddenly see a US climbdown on the island China just built and put missile on.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/29/recent-developments-surrounding-south-china-sea.html

"WHITE HOUSE ON COLLISION COURSE WITH CHINA? The new U.S. administration is heating up rhetoric over the South China Sea with a promise to challenge China's occupation of disputed islands. ... White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer said "the U.S. is going to make sure that we protect our interests there." His comments came just weeks after President Donald Trump's pick for secretary of state, Rex Tillerson, caused some consternation when he told his Senate confirmation hearing that the U.S. should deny China access to its seven man-made islands."

But now they've given him a trademark, and Trump co will be able to reap a lot of profit from it, that will require friendly/subservient relations with China.

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/china-awards-trump-valuable-trademark-45504953

Oh but Ivanka's perfume is selling well in Moscow shopping malls so good for her!

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

http://fortune.com/2016/03/16/...

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[AmiMoJo]

It's funny how everything that his supporters claimed Clinton was doing, the unsecured phones, the pay-for-access, the cronyism, the corruption, is all stuff that we have absolute proof Turmp is doing barely a month into his presidency.

The guy is so brazen about it, he doesn't even bother to cover it up at least try to avoid doing the exact same thing he was criticising her for months earlier.

Re: Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

He's of the permitted to break rules demographic, wealthy white male.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

It's funny that all of this stuff wasn't a big deal to you hyper-partisans when Clinton was accused of them, but they suddenly are a big deal when Trump is doing them.

Your rah-rah-my-team bullshit is fucking up our world. It's a big deal when both teams do it. (And I'm calling you out, Ami, because you were defending Clinton for these very same things.)

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[flopsquad]

We have no evidence that the money being used to bribe Trump for access isn't being used for the good of the country. Somebody has to pay the troll armies to combat all the fake news! How do you think the dozen anon sockpuppet posts get to the top of any article about Trump?

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

"absolute proof"? Lol, you loonies are hilariously deluded.

Project Veritas provides proof, ON VIDEO, of election rigging in the DNC and the leftists can't refute it so they just claim its faked even though they can't provide any proof of it being so. Yet, some vague rumor about what Trump is doing comes up, and all of a sudden it's "absolute proof".

This is why nobody takes you seriously. Nobody believes your bullshit anymore. Everything you go on about is just about trying to get your agenda through and everybody else's stopped. You have no morals, no sense of decency, no honesty, and no integrity.

The DNC and all of their supporters have completely trashed their reputation for generations to come. A well deserved end for this group of colossal scumbags.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[flopsquad]

It's funny that all of this stuff wasn't a big deal to you hyper-partisans when Clinton was accused of them, but they suddenly are a big deal when Trump is doing them.

Your rah-rah-my-team bullshit is fucking up our world. It's a big deal when both teams do it. (And I'm calling you out, Ami, because you were defending Clinton for these very same things.)

It's perfectly valid to point out and criticize hypocracy, regardless of whether one personally agrees or disagrees with the underlying position.

Re: Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

He's of the permitted to break rules demographic, wealthy white male.

Really? Sexists like you should be ashamed of yourselves. Not every issue is about sex, you fucking bigot.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

Pony? Dog ?? Not that, but a Trotsy-ite slaughter-house. Pissed American yeomanry will put-down SJW slutnicks and Bantu-honking mongrels. Let dogs eat progressive guts in the gutter.

Re: Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree that there needs to be security, he has a phone given to him for that. Should he be tweeting from it? Is that a security risk accessing public sites with advertising malware potential? There is a world of difference between tweeting from a dedicated phone (if it is) and having classified material on yahoo mail, don't you think?

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[nospam007]

"His home, Mar-a-largo is a private club,..." ...created because none of the local clubs would have him as a member.

And neighbors complaining that only white trash goes there.

Re: Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

I see that you're only concerned about the gender, racist.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

"His home, Mar-a-largo is a private club,..." ...created because none of the local clubs would have him as a member.

And neighbors complaining that only white trash goes there.

"White trash" is just as much a racial slur as any other. Hell, even black slaves got more respect for their humanity. At least they were valued as property. You throw trash away.

Re: Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[guruevi]

The Trump trademark was granted several months ago, when the majority of news sources still put him at a huge disadvantage in the polls. There was a 3 month period where you could dispute the trademark which ended last week.

Making up stories does nothing good to the press, it only makes people distrust them more.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

The swamp just got 10 feet deeper! Wew lads!

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Bite The Pillow]

Secret service is trying to shut that down. Access is being limited.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[kbahey]

Look at how casually Trump deals with state business. He is still in both the tycoon mode, and campaign mode at the same time.

See how he discusses critical world issues in the open, without any care for the documents or the matters at hand ...

Unbelievable ...

BBC: What do we learn from photos of US patio diplomacy?.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[pushing-robot]

hypocracy

I see what you did there.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[sg_oneill]

"absolute proof"? Lol, you loonies are hilariously deluded.

Project Veritas provides proof, ON VIDEO, of election rigging in the DNC and the leftists can't refute it so they just claim its faked even though they can't provide any proof of it being so. Yet, some vague rumor about what Trump is doing comes up, and all of a sudden it's "absolute proof".

Why would I believe a serial liar like OKeefe who keeps getting caught again and again and again fabricating evidence for his shitty witchhunts, when multiple enquiries by people who are actually domain experts have said that no, there is just no evidence at all of it.

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[flopsquad]

hypocracy

I see what you did there.

Hasn't made it into the dictionary so far, but I can't think of another word for "Government by all the evil things you denounced to get you there in the first place."

Re:Go visit Mar-a-Lago and complain

[Anonymous Coward]

You may be right but the fact is that what was being said about Hillary was true too. So what's the beef here? Is that he's doing this things or that these things are being done by him and not Hillary?

The way I see it, the left is beating on the right for things that have happened and were going to continue to happen under Hillary. That makes no sense to me. Are you against what's being done or just who does it? If you're against what's being done then how the fuck did Clinton get double digits in the vote let alone Trump?

I didn't vote for either one of these two but from where I sit this is nothing but a pissing match about who rules the sandbox, not what's being done in it. This is what happens when people turn into goose steppers. It's a shame and sadly I don't see any of you fuckers waking up from it anytime soon.

If there was any justice in the world both of the major parties would be defunct after the shit they've pulled in the past couple decades.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Yawn, Veritas is well known for selective and deceptive editing of videos to create fake events. I bet you thought the dinosaurs in Jurassic Park were real too, right?

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[Xenographic]

> Why would I believe

Because when the PV videos on staging violence came out, we found evidence that Zulema Rodriguez was employed by MoveOn to be in Arizona, we have a video of her blocking the road and lying to cops, and that corroborates the video? It's something I've covered in great detail previously if you want full links & citations for every item that was corroborated in their "bird-dogging" campaign.

Because when he warned us that people planned to attack the Deploraball with butyric acid (essentially a stink bomb that can cause people to choke, potentially causing an uncontrolled evacuation into a mass of protesters), we found arrest records on the DC police site saying one of the conspirators was arrested for conspiracy to commit assault? I've also seen reports that, since that older report, they caught the other individuals involved in the conspiracy.

As for this phone thing, I'll wait to see proof, rather than just rumors. Couldn't they even find so much as a photo of Trump with this phone? Yes, Trump should know better than to use an unsecured phone after what happened to Hillary, but I am going to withhold judgement until there's some kind of proof and not just rumors.

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[Anonymous Coward]

That's the thing! They don't think! At least not for themself.

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[Anonymous Coward]

It's funny that no amount of evidence could make me believe my team was guilty of these things, but I immediately believe the same claims against the other team.

That's not funny, that's human nature.

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[Anonymous Coward]

It's funny how the Breitbart /r/the_donald/ army manages to show up on any article the least bit critical of the president that shows up here. Do you guys just sit in front of the computer 24/7 trolling comments sections everywhere you can? Don't forget to hit up CNN's Youtube channel next to post your hourly quota of "FAKE NEWS" spam.

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[codeButcher]

Thankfully I detest all politicians equally, so I'll go right ahead and criticise both and all other comers.

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[Anonymous Coward]

It's funny how everything that his supporters claimed Clinton was doing, the unsecured phones, the pay-for-access, the cronyism, the corruption, is all stuff that we have absolute proof Turmp is doing barely a month into his presidency.

Yeah, so here's a double standard for you:

During the election, you lot kept shouting about how all the shit he was attacking Hillary for wasn't really a big deal. Now he's doing it, and suddenly it's a big deal? Yeah, it is funny how that works.

Maybe he's just engaging in things his opponent did to curry favor with the majority. You all LOVE to keep reminding him that, "B-b-b-b-but he didn't winz teh popular vote! (*crocodile tear*)"

Since they didn't give a shit about it when Hillary did it, it stands to reason that they shouldn't give a shit about it when he does it. After all, dismissing these bad practices has nothing to do with politics, amirite?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Veritas is well known for selective and deceptive editing of videos to create fake events.

But I bet you swallowed "Collateral Murder," hook, line, and sinker - didn't you?

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[Skuld-Chan]

As a republican - I miss Obama.

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[quantaman]

The Trump trademark was granted several months ago, when the majority of news sources still put him at a huge disadvantage in the polls. There was a 3 month period where you could dispute the trademark which ended last week.

Making up stories does nothing good to the press, it only makes people distrust them more.

Not quite

China's trademark review board announced in September it had invalidated a rival claim for the Trump trademark, clearing the way for Trump to move in. In November, soon after the election, it awarded the trademark to the Trump Organization. The trademark was officially registered this week after a three-month notice period for objections expired.

Of course it could just be coincidence... but yeah, China was trying to curry favour and/or giving Trump something they could later threaten to take away.

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[quantaman]

It's funny that all of this stuff wasn't a big deal to you hyper-partisans when Clinton was accused of them, but they suddenly are a big deal when Trump is doing them.

Your rah-rah-my-team bullshit is fucking up our world. It's a big deal when both teams do it. (And I'm calling you out, Ami, because you were defending Clinton for these very same things.)

It's perfectly valid to point out and criticize hypocracy, regardless of whether one personally agrees or disagrees with the underlying position.

But not all claims of hypocrisy are valid.

1) A tonne of people would have know about Clinton's private email server for years and virtually none of them thought anything of it, only once the GOP got a hold of it did it suddenly become a scandal. Meanwhile everyone is telling Trump his android has to go.

2) The Clintons never personally profited from the Clinton Foundation, and they planned to fully divest themselves from the foundation after the election (and the foundation would change it's name). Trump still owns all the Trump Org stuff.

3) The cash stream from foreign entities, via speaking fees, had already stopped during the campaign and would not have resumed for her term. Trump is still receiving foreign cash through his businesses.

4) Pay-for-access is a sin committed by all politicians, Clinton more than most but that's at least partially because of her profile. But pay-for-access is about pay to the campaign or the party, not the individual. Trump is selling access that personally profits him.

It's a false equivalence, comparing Trump and Clinton scandals is comparing mountains with molehills.

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[quantaman]

> Why would I believe

Because when the PV videos on staging violence came out, we found evidence that Zulema Rodriguez was employed by MoveOn to be in Arizona, we have a video of her blocking the road and lying to cops, and that corroborates the video?

Your original source is a video by a guy who is famous for dishonestly editing videos... and yet you keep going back to him as a primary source.

I have absolutely zero confidence that you know how to determine if a piece of evidence is true or relevant.

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[serviscope_minor]

Thankfully I detest all politicians equally

Then, frankly, you are a fool because all politicians are far from equally detestable. It makes about as much sense as saying you despise all crime equally.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Hey, white trash-- check your privilege!

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[HiThere]

I think you missed the sarcasm tag.

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[Trailer Trash]

> Why would I believe

Because when the PV videos on staging violence came out, we found evidence that Zulema Rodriguez was employed by MoveOn to be in Arizona, we have a video of her blocking the road and lying to cops, and that corroborates the video?

Your original source is a video by a guy who is famous for dishonestly editing videos... and yet you keep going back to him as a primary source.

I have absolutely zero confidence that you know how to determine if a piece of evidence is true or relevant.

So, he edited her into the video?

Look, I know the looney left hates this, but O'Keefe releases all his original videos. The reason you would believe is that he lays out his evidence using verifiable primary sources. I know it's good on your side to attack the messenger and claim victory, but it just makes you look like a fool in this case.

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[Xenographic]

> Your original source is a video by a guy who is famous for dishonestly editing videos... and yet you keep going back to him as a primary source.

There's a bunch of evidence that corroborates it, unless you don't believe the FEC pay stubs or the independent YouTube videos of her lying to the cops?

You don't believe the DC police arrest records?

The evidence speaks for itself. I don't need to consider them credible.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I know your average Right-wing Nut Job can't understand this, but O'Keefe is such a fraud and liar that the GOP would be better off if he slipped on banana peel, every time he shows yet another discredited video that conservatives swoon over, they suffer from believing the deceits and they lose yet another shred of credibility with the public.

It's the kind of thing that blows up on you.

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[quantaman]

> Your original source is a video by a guy who is famous for dishonestly editing videos... and yet you keep going back to him as a primary source.

There's a bunch of evidence that corroborates it, unless you don't believe the FEC pay stubs or the independent YouTube videos of her lying to the cops?

You don't believe the DC police arrest records?

The evidence speaks for itself. I don't need to consider them credible.

So what? Even if the evidence is right all it means is someone who is passionate about politics to work for a PAC is also passionate enough to engage in underhanded tactics.

As I said, even if your evidence is true, it's irrelevant.

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[Xenographic]

> So what? Even if the evidence is right all it means is someone who is passionate about politics to work for a PAC is also passionate enough to engage in underhanded tactics.

Let me get this straight. It appears that you admit that they perform underhanded tactics. And that they're on video discussing the underhanded tactics. And that they were actually caught, on independent videos already linked. But you think the video is "out of context" despite it showing them doing the underhanded things they said they'd do?

> As I said, even if your evidence is true, it's irrelevant.

So what of the butyric acid thing, for which I can point you to actual, criminal arrests records that were the result of the DC police's investigation. How can that be "irrelevant"? We have them on video plotting that. And we have an arrest as a result of an independent police investigation.

What more do you want, exactly? A signed confession? You can only stick your head in the sand so far, man.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Because the left spent the last 2 years excusing all those actions.
They're ok now. We believed your excuses. Congrats! You won! Yay you!

Be careful what you argue in favor of. You might get it.
And after all your arguing. Nobody will listen to you anymore.

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[flopsquad]

Just then the reverend wheeled about to face the singers, his back now to the congregation, and continued his sermon—oblivious as the choir mouthed back to him, in silent unison, "Whoosh."

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[quantaman]

Just then the reverend wheeled about to face the singers, his back now to the congregation, and continued his sermon—oblivious as the choir mouthed back to him, in silent unison, "Whoosh."

Were there hypocrites who supported Clinton? Of course.

Is it hypocrisy to have defended Clinton on the claims I set out while criticizing Trump now? Absolutely.

I'm a realist who accepts that people always commit some level of influence peddling, and don't always follow the rules as they should. But Trump what Trump is doing fundamentally different.

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[flopsquad]

Sorry, I came at that obliquely. You are "preaching to the choir." What Trump is doing is fundamentally different (and worse) than whatever shenanigans any president in living memory** has done (or been accused of doing).

** Yes, Nixon included.

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[Anonymous Coward]

What more do you want, exactly?

It'd start by realizing that you don't have proof of a conspiracy or anything.

A signed confession?

Those, as we well know, are not reliable.

Except Donald Trump.

You can only stick your head in the sand so far, man.

The Republican party, however, seems to be reaching for new records in sticking its own head up its ass.

Seriously, you'd have better luck if you dug up your own dirt. People might believe you.

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[dbIII]

China was trying to curry favour

Yes, Trump responds well to flattery as Putin has shown.

something they could later threaten to take away

They could sink the US economy overnight just by selling bonds so they only need to hint at that instead of threatening.

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[dbIII]

So what of the butyric acid thing, for which I can point you to actual, criminal arrests records that were the result of the DC police's investigation

So you can point them out? How about you do that then instead of going on and on and eroding our trust in you with each post?

The other stuff you suggest is related I'll take with a bucket of salt unless there's something other than your increasingly devalued word for it.

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[Raenex]

The Clintons never personally profited from the Clinton Foundation

They used it as a slush fund to pay their cronies and assistants, including Bill Clinton Inc.

The cash stream from foreign entities, via speaking fees, had already stopped during the campaign and would not have resumed for her term.

Promises were also made and broken when she was given the Secretary of State position.

ay-for-access is a sin committed by all politicians, Clinton more than most but that's at least partially because of her profile. But pay-for-access is about pay to the campaign or the party, not the individual.

Oh, really? Strange how much money the Clintons made then peddling access then back when Hillary was still a power player. How much do you think she or Bill are getting for speaking fees now?

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[Xenographic]

> So you can point them out? How about you do that then instead of going on and on and eroding our trust in you with each post?

I did that in the very first post just up thread. Since you somehow missed that, here you go (again) -

https://mpdc.dc.gov/release/arrest-made-conspiracy-commit-assault

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[quantaman]

The Clintons never personally profited from the Clinton Foundation

They used it as a slush fund to pay their cronies and assistants, including Bill Clinton Inc.

So the Clinton's go to some city to do some charity work and to give some paid speeches. How should they do that?

Should they use two different staffs? That's a lot of extra money and hassle.

Should they personally pay their staff to work for the charity? Sure, but they're spending a lot of their own money.

Or they could do what they did, have the charity pay for the same staff when that staff is working for the charity.

Sure they could have done it differently, but that doesn't seem fundamentally wrong.

Promises were also made and broken when she was given the Secretary of State position.

I don't know the full story of who was responsible for allowing those donations when she was Secretary of State. But if she was President they'd be completely detached from the foundation, there would be no opportunity for someone to donate to a Clinton charity because there would be none.

Oh, really? Strange how much money the Clintons made then peddling access then back when Hillary was still a power player. How much do you think she or Bill are getting for speaking fees now?

A "power player" is not a government official, former politicians cashing in is not new, even if the politician might return to a position of power.

The difference is that Trump is currently President.

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[dbIII]

Thank you, I did miss it.

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[Anonymous Coward]

hillary did some stupid ass shit, i'll grant you that. BUT SHE WASN'T PRESIDENT WHEN SHE DID THEM.

president should NOT have an unsecured phone, should NOT be jetting off across the country THREE FUCKING TIMES IN HIS FIRST MONTH ON THE JOB. did YOU get three paid vacations, expenses paid, in your first month at a new job? that's why camp david exists. give's the president a little vacation spot away from the white house but only 60 miles from d.c., that can be flown to on marine one and without an entourage.

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[Raenex]

Sure they could have done it differently, but that doesn't seem fundamentally wrong.

Because you have double standards. They enriched themselves and their cronies and used charity as a cover to and you turn a blind eye.

don't know the full story of who was responsible for allowing those donations when she was Secretary of State.

And you again turn a blind eye.

A "power player" is not a government official

But a Senator and Secretary of State is, and there's no ethical difference if you're peddling influence while running to be an elected official. The Clintons became personally very rich while being politicians. You again turn a blind eye.

The difference is that Trump is currently President.

Yes, Crooked Hillary lost. I'm not defending Trump, either, by the way. I never expected him to drain the swamp when he brings it with him.

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[Anonymous Coward]

B I G P O P P A no info fo' the D E A
Federal government getting mad cause I'm flagrant
Tapped my cell plus the phone in the basement

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[cryptizard]

Yet, some vague rumor about what Trump is doing comes up, and all of a sudden it's "absolute proof".

Or you could listen to the 13 minutes of uncut audio where Trump invites club members to sit in on interviews for his cabinet picks. He refers to the members as "special people".

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[codeButcher]

you are a fool because all politicians are far from equally detestable

Don't worry, your starry-eyed optimism will wane with age. Yes, you are of course technically correct. But the difference in how much I detest the least detestable and how much I detest the most detestable is so small as makes no practical difference.

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[Anonymous Coward]

put your quoted definition on my wikipage, collection of my favorite coments on that guy in that office over there.

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[serviscope_minor]

Don't worry, your starry-eyed optimism will wane with age.

No, it's realism. Your claim is foolish beyond belief. You are literally claiming that, say, Julian Huppart (a politician) is as detestable as Hitler (a politician). That point of view is staggeringly stupid.

Yes, you are of course technically correct.

In other words, I am correct.

But the difference in how much I detest the least detestable and how much I detest the most detestable is so small as makes no practical difference.

Your ludicrously simplistic world view does not match reality. You believe you're being clever by being exceptionally cynical, but you are not. You are actually demonstrating your rather extreme levels of ignorance about actual politicians and what particular ones have done.

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[codeButcher]

Ad hominems, self-congratulatory ego overinflation, hysterical hyperbole, insults as the best arguments you can muster.... If you're not a Hillary Clinton supporter, you've all the characteristics of one.

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[AutodidactLabrat]

And it worked!!

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[hucker75]

Indeed. Every time a new president gets in, the people who voted the other way poke holes. It's just a bloody phone, try to think about something more important in your lives!

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[Anonymous Coward]

It's funny how everything that his supporters claimed Clinton was doing, the unsecured phones, the pay-for-access, the cronyism, the corruption, is all stuff that we have absolute proof Turmp is doing barely a month into his presidency.

The guy is so brazen about it, he doesn't even bother to cover it up at least try to avoid doing the exact same thing he was criticising her for months earlier.

Is it possible his phone was comprimised last year at this time, and then spy software was installed?

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[serviscope_minor]

So, you maintain your opinion despite clear evidence to the contrary?

I guess that means you have all the characteristics of a Trump supporter. Though I'm not entirely sure why you brought partisanness into this. I'm sure you can find someone on your chosen team who is demonstrably less bad than someone on your chosen enemy team.

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[Xenographic]

Fair enough, it was pretty far upthread and I seem to have been modbombed--it hit +5 before others came back to mod it down overnight.

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[Anonymous Coward]

If he's such a fraud, why did people step down and get fired?

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[quantaman]

I'm not saying that Clinton was perfect, I'm saying she was a normal politician. All the things she's accused of are completely typical in US politics, elected she would have been no worse than a typical politician, if anything she might be slightly better since she was trying to get rid of super PACs and the Bernie camp would have had some influence to push the system.

The thing that pisses me off about it is that people only really seemed to care about this stuff once it applied to Hillary. I really do think there was a subtext of sexism, I think people felt that for a guy to play the game it was a normal ambitious guy thing to do, but for a woman to do the same somehow became sinister.

That doesn't mean anyone who criticizes her was sexist, not remotely. But there were a lot of sexist people passionately pushing the narratives that destroyed her image.

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[Raenex]

I'm not saying that Clinton was perfect, I'm saying she was a normal politician.

You claimed the Clintons didn't profit personally. You were astoundingly wrong about that and turned a blind eye when cited evidence was provided.

if anything she might be slightly better

More of your blind eye and double standards. The Clintons are near the top of corrupt politicians.

since she was trying to get rid of super PACs

Give me a break. The Clintons didn't give a shit about the corrupting influence of money in politics. They unabashedly played that game their whole career and profited immensely from it, both politically and personally.

really do think there was a subtext of sexism

What's sexist is playing the gender card.

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[quantaman]

I'm not saying that Clinton was perfect, I'm saying she was a normal politician.

You claimed the Clintons didn't profit personally. You were astoundingly wrong about that and turned a blind eye when cited evidence was provided.

I meant they didn't profit personally while in office. I figured this distinction was obvious since every high profile politician makes a ton of money after office, and some of that is surely influence peddling.

since she was trying to get rid of super PACs

Give me a break. The Clintons didn't give a shit about the corrupting influence of money in politics. They unabashedly played that game their whole career and profited immensely from it, both politically and personally.

Not everyone who plays the game but says they'll try to end the game in office is lying.

Clinton wasn't great on this regard, I don't think she really felt that the money was a big problem, but she said she'd try to get rid of the PACs I don't see any reason to doubt her.

really do think there was a subtext of sexism

What's sexist is playing the gender card.

When the playing field is slanted it's not discrimination to give a hand.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I have absolutely zero confidence that you know how to determine if a piece of evidence is true or relevant.

He knows exactly what he's doing. The subject was incompetence in the Trump administration and he's got you talking about corruption in the DNC. And you fell for it. And you're taking attention away from the real subject because other people fell for it and modded you up. So now, instead of a discussion about Trump's incompetence, we've got a discussion about corruption in the DNC.

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[Raenex]

I meant they didn't profit personally while in office

But they did, while Hillary was Senator and Secretary of State. But you've turned a blind eye.

Not everyone who plays the game but says they'll try to end the game in office is lying.

Hillary lied and played the game as Secretary of State, but you turned a blind eye.

but she said she'd try to get rid of the PACs I don't see any reason to doubt her.

Thanks for the laugh.

When the playing field is slanted it's not discrimination to give a hand.

Sorry, I'm not interested in playing the Oppression Olympics.

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[Anonymous Coward]

If he's such a fraud, why did people step down and get fired?

As the Shirley Sherrod case shows, such things don't have to be legitimate.

Or as the adage goes, Falsehood flies, and the Truth comes limping after it.

Let's see, ACORN, exonerated, Planned Parenthood, cleared, the list goes on and on.

His track record is rather poor, when you look at it, and don't just swallow the videos wholesale, as they are saying what you desperately want to hear.

For example, the recent one, you find does not actually have evidence of anything happening, just one cantankerous person saying things, that may or may not be true, or even crimes. Consider busing for example. There are no buses in the video that have voters, and even if there were, it's not illegal to bus people to their precinct.

Again, O'Keefe, like Trump, is ultimately BAD for the conservatives, as they're such bald-faced liars, they ultimately LOSE people.

Really, Sweden? C'mon. Even the best, most forgiving, interpretation means that Trump is so inarticulate, he can't say what he means, and that's bad for him.

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[rtb61]

So let me get this straight. You think a phone the US President uses to make personal PUBLIC tweets to the PUBLIC needs to be secured from what exactly ?!? Just curious as to what it needs to be secured from, as long as it is off when he does not use it, in fact Secret Service agent could hand it to the President upon request ie put the battery in and turn it on and here yah go El Presidente (true for any country in the world, not just to pick on the incompetence of the US Secret Service because it would be them who is at fault on so elementary a security failure) ie being able to listen in on that phone when it is not making personal presidential PUBLIC tweets to the PUBLIC (which you want to keep private from exactly who, Aliens perhaps).

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[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry, I'm not interested in playing the Oppression Olympics.

That's ok, Trump already admitted to his gold-star effort.

He also pulled the race card, and the religion card, and the victim card.

He's a 5-star whiner.

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[Anonymous Coward]

Like it or not, the reason is because normal, ordinary, conservative leaning folks are the majority, whereas starry eyed leftists are a local party, concentrated in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Seattle, Chicago, New York, Madison, WI, Ann Arbor, MI, and some universities here and there. Don't believe me? Look how many seats leftists have in state government.... Look at the number of people watching Fox news .vs. all the other networks combined.

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[Bandraginus]

I'm not American, so I have absolutely no horse in this race.

During the election, you lot kept shouting about how all the shit he was attacking Hillary for wasn't really a big deal. Now he's doing it, and suddenly it's a big deal? Yeah, it is funny how that works.

It seems to me that two wrongs don't make a right. Also seems to me that a *current* security threat is worse than a past threat. One can be exploited, one cannot.

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[codeButcher]

Nah, not a Trump supporter though. When the 2016 US presidential elections got to the point were they put Clinton vs Trump, I was thinking: a population of over 300 million, and the best they can come up with is THESE two??

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[Anonymous Coward]

Project veritas? You really mean project bovisstercore
given that every episode the clowns have produced have been shown definitively to be bullshit

Can't resist...

[Titanek]

"Fake News!11!eleven" :D

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[Anonymous Coward]

Almost as fake as that fag mmell's tits

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[serviscope_minor]

On that note, I like how all the people here calling for Hillary to be gaoled for that email server are calling the same for Trump over his numerous security breaches. They are, right? I mean, they're not all stinking hypocrites, riiiiight?

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[Anonymous Coward]

Security breaches? Name one.

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[Anonymous Coward]

The entire server was a security breach. Might as well have used a series of loudspeakers to transmit classified data.

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[Anonymous Coward]

I mean, they're not all stinking hypocrites, riiiiight?

Too harsh. Most of them have probably taken a shower within the last three weeks.

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[Anonymous Coward]

It pretty much is. Clinton's cronies were screaming "What difference does it make?!" when she was being accused of the same kind of actions. But if you ask them she was in a gray area but Trump is a straight up Nazi... Clinton somehow ends up on the right side (and Trump on the wrong) of that line of mores and folkways EVERY... SINGLE.... TIME. Amazing how that works, isn't it?

What Trump has going for him is that he's at least honest about how Washington fuckary really works. Clintons Reich is still claiming that they're "going high" but the truth is apparent. Fuck them and fuck the partisans. I didn't vote for Trump but I'm glad that he is that brash about it all. I doubt it'll change anything but for the handful of us who don't step onto the party line it is refreshing to finally have such a brazen example of how Democraps and Republicunts really look to us.

Keep sucking that partisan dick, my man.... you ain't got enough brains to figure it out on your own.

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[HiThere]

If you think the *accusations* against Clinton were as bad as the equivalent admitted facts WRT Trump, then you need to check your prescriptions. There were, of course, accusations that don't yet have any near equivalent WRT Trump, and perhaps he'll avoid those. But there are also accusations against Trump that have no near equivalent WRT Clinton...one can only hope those will be proven false.

Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[Anonymous Coward]

You ain't gonna get rid of him so easily. He won, and it's your fault for your failure to put up a fight.

Re:Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[Zero__Kelvin]

"You ain't gonna get rid of him so easily."

What could be easier than doing nothing, then sitting back and watching him self destruct? It is going to be hilarious to see him complain that the press endangered national security by disclosing that the Samsung S3 is the particular insecure platform he is using, and not him for using it.

Re:Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree with AC... it was the Dems' election to lose, and lose it they did. Lowest voter turnout in 20 years. Dumb-fuck Americans who think "I don't like either candidate, so I won't vote", thinking that's gonna make anything... better? But the Dems didn't help their case one fucking bit. Shoulda read the angry writing on the wall and backed Bernie... cutting Bernie at the knees for Hillary might probably be why so many voters stayed home.

Re:Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[nospam007]

"You ain't gonna get rid of him so easily. "

Lee Harvey could quite easily.

Re:Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[Anonymous Coward]

You just created a few hundred more Trump voters in 2020. Progressives never fail to deliver in this regard.

Re:Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[mmell]

The problem is the blast radius when he self-destructs. What, you think he's going to implode?

Re:Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[Anonymous Coward]

The FBI would have pulled an Oswald on Sanders. I don't see them getting rid of Trump in that manner.

Re:Keep on trying you dumbass democrats

[Anonymous Coward]

Based on what we've seen so far, he will likely have a nervous breakdown following a hysterical public tantrum.

"Why won't anyone LISTEN to me?!?"

If he weren't a nutcase to start with...

[Anonymous Coward]

With a sane president, you could distinguish tweets made by the president and tweets likely to cause an international incident.

Stipulating that a sane president would communicate via tweets in the first place, of course.

Where is the point in fixing his easily hackable phone when he himself is easily hacked into blurting out embarrassing stuff?

Re: If he weren't a nutcase to start with...

[Anonymous Coward]

He speaks the peoples language. For once.

Re:If he weren't a nutcase to start with...

[Anonymous Coward]

Your personal attacks reek of bitterness. Hillary lost, get over it!

Re: If he weren't a nutcase to start with...

[Anonymous Coward]

Which "people" would that be?

Re: If he weren't a nutcase to start with...

[Anonymous Coward]

Retarded people.

Not "special" people. It's no longer necessary to be politically correct.

Re: If he weren't a nutcase to start with...

[Anonymous Coward]

Those are the people that are left behind after all the snowflakes have melted away.

Re: If he weren't a nutcase to start with...

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem isn't that Hillary lost. She was a shitty candidate anyway.
The problem is the lying rich buffoon who won.

Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

We all know what this is: Democrats are still pissed over the electorate abandoning their failed and useless party and are trying to attack Trump in any way possible. This one is just trying to draw a false equivalence between using an old phone for personal use and using an ancient, unsecured, personal email server for storing classified documents, because the Democrats are still pissed that Hillary's emails helped sink her campaign. (There were plenty of other things that sunk her campaign, and emails probably don't even rank in the top 10.)

What they forget is no one cares what phone Trump uses to tweet from. As long as he has a second phone to keep the classified stuff secure, who cares if he also keeps his personal phone? Not even the Democrats really care: this is just yet another tactic to try and smear a very popular president.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

Exactly and as it has been pointed out in the past. Top secret meetings have phones barred from entering rooms. I doubt he can get around that no matter how much of an asshole he is.. Hes not Stupid.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[OzPeter]

What they forget is no one cares what phone Trump uses to tweet from. As long as he has a second phone to keep the classified stuff secure, who cares if he also keeps his personal phone? Not even the Democrats really care: this is just yet another tactic to try and smear a very popular president.

Wouldn't you want to know if his personal phone was compromised and he was carrying it around all over the place?

At the very least it acts as a big red target painted on his back where ever he goes. At the other end of the spectrum the microphone and camera record and pass on everything it sees and hears.

This is security 101 and not political. That is Trump we are talking about makes it very easy to slip into an argument of "He's a doofus. No, you're just butthurt".

Re:Just another mindless attack

[SumterLiving]

@realdonaltrump, I'm impressed you're on Slashdot. I'm also glad you cleared up the unsecured android phone controversy but it might be wise if you consult with your own government experts on this issue. Now get out there boy, and knock em dead at your campaign rally today. Make tons of money selling hats and shirt so when your audit is complete you'll have a few dollars to live on. Oh, your backswing? Take it back a little slower and lower to get more distance off the tee box and save some pussy for us regular stars. - Thanks ... your ever loving friend, Billy

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's be clear, the allegation is that Trump has two phones - any evidence to back that claim up?

So, what if Trump has two phones? The allegation is that he has two phones - one, the secure, classified phone issued by the gov't and a second one used to tweet. There is no allegation the second phone is used for anything other than tweeting, and I'm pretty sure every tweet he sends is 'public'.

Perhaps, just perhaps, the president's government-issued phone doesn't support 'tweeting' (no app, no browser) - if that's the case, then how else do they expect him to tweet?

If these charges are successful, if they establish that trump is carrying an easily hackable smartphone, then they undermine any argument about any policy based on not the words of the particular law or bill, but by tweets he made (like the 'Muslim ban' he tweeted about that later was used against his immigrant/refugee ban with no religious test). By declaring his tweets as possibly the result of hacks, his critics lose the ability to rely on them against trump.

Just curious, how did President Obama send tweets? Pretty sure he didn't use his government-issued secure phone.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Wouldn't you want to know if his personal phone was compromised and he was carrying it around all over the place?

OMG! Then we'd know where he is every minute of the day! (You do know the President's daily schedule is public record, right?)

Re:Just another mindless attack

[vux984]

And then when the president leaves the meeting, you REALLY think he doesn't talk about the meeting within earshot of his phone?

Really? I think being a fly on the wall even just where the phone was allowed to go would be plenty interesting.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[OzPeter]

Exactly and as it has been pointed out in the past. Top secret meetings have phones barred from entering rooms. I doubt he can get around that no matter how much of an asshole he is.. Hes not Stupid.

Look at what happened in Mar-a-lago with the North Korean issue and the lackadaisical handling of documents in public. If they think that is reasonable then I don't put anything past this administration.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[PopeRatzo]

Top secret meetings have phones barred from entering rooms. I doubt he can get around that no matter how much of an asshole he is.. Hes not Stupid.

Read it and weep.

https://www.washingtonpost.com...

Re: Just another mindless attack

[OzPeter]

Wouldn't you want to know if his personal phone was compromised and he was carrying it around all over the place?

OMG! Then we'd know where he is every minute of the day! (You do know the President's daily schedule is public record, right?)

OMG the presidents schedule is public. But what happens when there is a security issue and the president is whisked away to a secure location. Do you really think that the schedule is publicized.

Or how about the use of Marine one to transport the president:

As a security measure, Marine One always flies in a group of as many as five identical helicopters. One helicopter carries the President, while the others serve as decoys.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

So do you want that security measure invalidated?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[AK Marc]

He has tweeted at a time he was scheduled to be in a Top Secret meeting. Either he's not attending his meetings, or he's tweeting during them. Either is gross negligence, so which gross negligence is it today?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[belthize]

And you're reasonably confident he never discusses anything of a sensitive nature outside that room ? It's trivial to remotely enable the mic and record.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh no he left a key in a bag!!! Lol if that's all they have on Trump. Obama had people under him plan a whole mission to capture Bin Laden, and did it behind his back. Only informing him while the raid was underway. That's why in the photo of him watching the raid, he looks bewildered.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[AK Marc]

And you could turn the mic on and listen in on everything, or get access to all the accounts on the phone. Why you think the most interesting thing a compromised phone is good for is location tracking is between you and your stalking victims, but there are other uses for a compromised phone.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Zero__Kelvin]

"Top secret meetings have phones barred from entering rooms. I doubt he can get around that no matter how much of an asshole he is.. Hes not Stupid."

Well, in at least one case he got around it by just having the meeting in public, so I hate to break it to you, but yes .... he is quite stupid.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Just curious, how did President Obama send tweets? Pretty sure he didn't use his government-issued secure phone.

He didn't. Staffers did.

What makes Trump so unique and refreshing among politicians is that he doesn't go through twenty focus groups before saying anything. He just tells you exactly what he's thinking. Some people seem to think knowing what a President really believes is a bad thing, for some reason.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Because it's impossible that he could have an aide tweeting on his behalf.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[OzPeter]

Because it's impossible that he could have an aide tweeting on his behalf.

It's well known and obvious that aides tweet for Tump. Because aides use an iOS device and Trump uses and Android device. That doesn't change the issue.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Hillary did exactly that, but the left doesn't seem concerned that they are constantly hypocrites. She had an unsecured device that they told her not to use, and she did anyways. Likely was hacked while she was in Russia.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/clinton-emailed-from-unsecure-phone-because-nsa-denied-her-request-for-a-better-one/

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

Now you're fishing for bullshit. Do you think that in an EMERGENCY situation that the military is stupid enough to for one not block unwanted RF signals AND ALSO Most likely(if i was the guy in charge at least) There would be 0 Personal devices onboard.. Now mind you im a lowly electrician. Not the person in control of the presidents safety. And i came up with that within 30 seconds of reading your reply.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Why would anyone weep after reading Jeff Bezos' lies?

Aside from the waste of minutes of their precious life they will never get back.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

Oh you mean like that Transparency that the obama admin. had hiding everything they did behind closed doors? If it doesnt involve national security it should be for all to see.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

I'm sure obama never had a vulnerable phone. As every time a phone is released there are GROUPS of hackers that try to break it as fast as humanly possible. Mind you it never takes more than a few days

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Ly4]

And within 30 seconds of reading your post, I came up with the idea of storing recordings on a phone, and then forwarding them later when the signal isn't blocked.

Except that I didn't actually come up with that idea, it's how many real world apps work (and how much eavesdropping malware works).

Re:Just another mindless attack

[mean pun]

Concrete examples? Hell, one significant concrete example?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[mean pun]

I'm sure obama never had a vulnerable phone. As every time a phone is released there are GROUPS of hackers that try to break it as fast as humanly possible. Mind you it never takes more than a few days

Well, at least the NSA damn well tried to give him a secure phone, and Obama cooperated with them. See the constant stream of news items on this subject during his presidency. You can always insist that it is not secure enough, no matter what was done. There is even a tiny chance that you are right, and that the hackers were smarter than the NSA. Your claim that it `never takes more than a few days' is just unfounded speculation, though. (To avoid using a stronger term.)

In any case, surely you're not going to argue that this is equivalent with a president who refuses to give up his civilian phone that is known to be insecure?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

if he continues talking about it in unsecure areas where he's allowed to have an unsecured device, he'd be breaking the law, and at that point, pull out the claims identical to hillary, until that point, you're grasping at straws.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Fuckoff stupid you're too dumb to be here.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

what if the unsecured phone gets hacked and has video and audio streaming back? seems very very likely.
Donald can't figure out where the leaks come from but he's carrying an open mic everywhere he goes.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

no. I don't think that's possible or standard procedure. you are just making things up

what is standard protocol is that unsecured devices are
NOT ALLOWED to be anywhere near the secured area.

until now when there is no longer a secured area I guess

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

and the lackadaisical handling of documents in public

what happened there? what documents were handled in public? are you going by reports of what untrustworthy people said? there were zero reporters/journalists in that room. I'm saying to take a pause and consider what truly happened there. where they planning their public press conference? in which case do those documents matter if that's what the president is about to publicly talk about?. there were no reporters just rich people. and rich people are known to never exaggerate their comments. think about your neighbors, if they said they saw your child hosting an orgy while you were out of town would you believe them? what about if all of your neighbors saying this to you didn't even live on your street and provided "proof" with grainy postage stamp photos of what looked like a nude person but couldn't be distinguished between a person and a blow-up doll? same principal here.

pretty sure a bunch of rich people saw trump and staff hurry out of the dining hall, murmured among themselves, then saw them rush back and talking to each other mentioning "north korea" a few times. they likely had no clue what was really happening and then using hindsight bias said "THEY HAD ALL THEIR OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS OUT".

not trying to support trump, just painting a reasonable case for the lack of decimation of sensitive documents and instead a case of hyping up their response as a show for their rich viewers. also his pwned galaxy s3 was allowing the russians to listen in on the conversation that actually occurred in private.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[ghoul]

I love that the President uses an unsecured phone. He will care about the privacy of all us normal folks using unsecured phones and rein in the NSA. At least hes not allowing the washington apparatus to put him inside a bubble and neuter him like they did to Obama

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Bite The Pillow]

Presidential records are highly important to congressional investigations and FOIA requests. They need to be curated and preserved, and encrypted and password protected and all of that. I can't prove they aren't, but such an investigation could show us the answers.

"No one cares" is simply not true. You may not, but you have to admit there are other people in the world. We want this phone secured, and shredded would be preferable. And we want his tax returns.

The very popular president has record low approval ratings, even by Rasmussen standards, precisely because of things like this. He has made enemies of the Judicial branch and Intelligence community. Picked an unnecessary fight with all press and even Fox members are objecting. And half of Congressional Republicans are at a minimum in a tough spot, and actively opposing a few of Trumps statements.

You have to think that maybe he might be doing something wrong if all those people already think that.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

as i said in other places on this article, Just because he uses it for twitter does not mean hes using it for official business(which i doubt ANYBODY would allow him to do) And in no place in that article does it say he REFUSED the phone. Matter of fact what was said was

In particular, he calls out Trump's apparent decision to keep using his personal Android phone instead of a secured phone the Secret Service issued him for his inauguration.

That being said it seems like he is using his personal phone to give liberals something to cry about(his crazy twitter shit) and to be honest, I would prefer he keep social media off of his "work" phone. You know like most companys require. You obviously try to keep up with current tech. So you have obviously seen how long it takes things to get hacked. Most times in terms of new devices its not very long, Days being a common ammount of time before it happens. There are alot better Blackhat hackers than the common White hat hacker. You can see that with all of the exploits that get found because their already being used maliciously. Would you rather him open more attack vectors on the "Secure" phone? Because the more things a device does the more ways possible to hack it.

We all know how well programmers do now a days. I personally dont believe anything that connects to anything else is secure. There is always an exploit. Somebody just has to find it.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

Also i forgot to add.

In any case, surely you're not going to argue that this is equivalent with a president who refuses to give up his civilian phone that is known to be insecure?

You sure do like to take peoples assumptions as truth. Take what you want from that.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

TPP

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Someone should tell the republicans and Trump that they have won. Nobody else has problems acknowledging that.

He is a demagogue playing the victimized card. He now holds the power to do the work and instead of making an effort on clarifying what is the work that he does he just puts out fake numbers and instigates hate and discord.

The resistance movement is based on empirical and historical evidence that trump is a demagogue. Trump is an illiterate person,and a pathological liar, he makes up reality and presents it as fact, while calling everyone liars. His business ideology is undemocratic, as it caters to wealthy and the elite class. and his casinos are unethical boot. Nothing he did in his life was made to serve "the people". His wealth is built on scamming contractors and avoiding taxes.

He is not to be trusted. He should be resisted at every turn. The is the duty we have towards history and to people that have sacrificed for democracy and freedom.

Eternal vigilance.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

But in the situation being described. do you really think those personal items are allowed? I don't. I have no proof. But if they are whoever tasked at keeping the situation secure should be fired.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

I just want somebody to show me one of these Secure smart phones everybody is talking about. I'll buy one. But i still haven't seen one..

Re:Just another mindless attack

[mean pun]

We all know how well programmers do now a days. I personally dont believe anything that connects to anything else is secure. There is always an exploit. Somebody just has to find it.

We have to agree to disagree then. Not every communication system is hackable within reasonable time. Even industrial products can be robust enough (e.g. bank communication), and if the NSA considers something secure enough for presidential use it must be pretty damn robust.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Cederic]

The resistance movement is based on empirical and historical evidence that trump is a demagogue. Trump is an illiterate person

Apparently the resistance movement is based on ignorance and stupidity.

The is the duty we have towards history

Does this egoistic hyperbole work with your friends? It's not really winning me over, sorry.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Ly4]

But if they are whoever tasked at keeping the situation secure should be fired.
Nobody was fired after this:
https://www.washingtonpost.com...

The president gets to make the rules - everyone else just gets to make suggestions. So if Trump wants to overrule someone who tells him to not bring his android phone into a SCIF, he can. And the Mar-a-Lago example indicates that he might be willing to do exactly that.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Haha, yeah, right, Trump's openness is why he just called the free press the 'enemy of the united states'.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

that has already had a bunch of holes put into it. You still really trust WaPo content?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

You're correct. But the fact of adding potential attack vectors making it harder to secure. Why not use shit like twitter and other social bullshit on a separate phone since its all trivial public crap anyways. the people comparing this to the hillary email server are ignorant. from what I understand from the article. They are speculating the phone that he is using. and directly linking to other liberals mad that hes not using a trivial service like twitter from a phone that also handles top secret matters. I feel from a security standpoint there is nothing wrong with what he is doing with the phones.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Ly4]

Seriously? You're going to go with the "if it's not Brietbart it's fake news" angle? The whole incident was described on a Trump supporter's / Mar-a-Lago member's facebook page, and in a bunch of other sources. Even Sean Spicer didn't try to deny it.

Getting back from your attempt to change the subject, keep in mind that Mar-a-Lago is just a piece of evidence in a longer chain. Trump has spent an entire campaign bragging about breaking rules - there's no reason to believe he'd start following rules about when he can have his phone if he didn't want to.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Zero__Kelvin]

Hint. Any time you point your finger at someone else and say "but they are guilty too!" , you just admitted your guy is guilty.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Zero__Kelvin]

"Just because he uses it for twitter does not mean hes using it for official business"

You don't seem to understand that when he tweets, he is using it for "official business". Once you understand that simple and obvious point then you will be in a place to begin to get a clue. Hint: "I was the president when I tweeted it, but it was just me having personal fun and I was in no way acting as the President at the time" doesn't fly.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Zero__Kelvin]

No. Lets be clear. Nobody is disputing how many phones Trump has. The fact that you think anybody is disputing that makes everything you wrote after that unworthy of consideration.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

I KNEW IT!!

I knew if i dug deep enough into the comments of this post, I would eventually find a trump supporter who would contrive a defense for this do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do BULLSHIT. I couldn't wait to find out what your excuse for him was.

Unfortunately, the best thing you could think of was "just trying to draw a false equivalence between using an old phone for personal use and using an ancient, unsecured, personal email server for storing classified documents".

Hmmm....this phrase "false equivalence"....I don't think it means what you think it means.

We are looking at a "true equivalence": trump said repeatedly during the campaign that we could not trust Hillary because she did not follow the standard best security practices for a government official. now as President, trump is NOT FOLLOWING THE BEST SECURITY PRACTICES FOR A GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL.

go ahead and stick your head in the sand if you like, but it won't stop the hypocrisy from being obvious to everyone.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

If he were tweeting from his work phone, then the democrats would be complaining that he was using government property for personal use.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Trump uses and Android device.

which device are you using?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[phantomfive]

What they forget is no one cares what phone Trump uses to tweet from. As long as he has a second phone to keep the classified stuff secure, who cares if he also keeps his personal phone?

FWIW there are document preservation laws he needs to comply with, too.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

How on earth do you know the President's schedule, or what meetings are Top Secret or not?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

https://arstechnica.com/inform...

Re:Just another mindless attack

[UnknowingFool]

We all know what this is: Democrats are still pissed over the electorate abandoning their failed and useless party and are trying to attack Trump in any way possible. This one is just trying to draw a false equivalence between using an old phone for personal use and using an ancient, unsecured, personal email server for storing classified documents, because the Democrats are still pissed that Hillary's emails helped sink her campaign. (There were plenty of other things that sunk her campaign, and emails probably don't even rank in the top 10.)

Trump should not be using an unsecured phone. If Clinton was elected, she should not be using an unsecured phone. When Obama was elected he thought he would have to give up his Blackberry; however, a compromise was reached where he could use a Blackberry. It was not a stock model; it had to be specially made for him and it had to be approved by national security officials. Other limitations were placed on the use including the inability of the device to forward messages.

None of these security considerations have anything to do about who is President.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[93 Escort Wagon]

It's well known and obvious that aides tweet for Tump. Because aides use an iOS device and Trump uses and Android device. That doesn't change the issue.

Well that, and... When the aides tweet, the missives generally don't have that "this just popped into my head and I'm blurting it out immediately" vibe to them.

It's a shame this guy is so old - I suspect it would've been interesting to talk to his grade school teachers regarding his behavior in the classroom.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[quantaman]

He has tweeted at a time he was scheduled to be in a Top Secret meeting. Either he's not attending his meetings, or he's tweeting during them. Either is gross negligence, so which gross negligence is it today?

Just to be clear since some people might have misread your comment as merely accusing Trump of not paying attention.

If he brought his phone into those meetings he was potentially carrying a remote listening device.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[HiThere]

The problem is I consider ALL the media news to be propaganda, and don't really believe any of it. I'm even dubious about the things that are agreed upon by both the left an right sides of the political spectrum.

So I'm not really sure that Trump is an uncontrolled idiot, but that's what his public appearances suggest, except when I get a bit paranoid about what he's really after. So far I'm willing to believe that when I feel that way I'm being paranoid.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[HiThere]

I think you need evidence if you are going to claim that Trump is illiterate. I've seen no evidence that causes me to think that probable. (I would doubt that he enjoys reading, however.)

Re:Just another mindless attack

[HiThere]

Maybe he's depending on archive.org .

Re:Just another mindless attack

[phantomfive]

lol his phone is so hackable, random bots surf into it on the internet? Seems plausible.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Gussington]

Wouldn't you want to know if his personal phone was compromised and he was carrying it around all over the place?

I don't know why you bother arguing with AC's who are most likely paid political commentators. If you read any story about Trump anywhere, there is always an army of comments all using the same childish language. In here they are all AC's and follow the same pattern. Slashdot editors need to crack down on this, and us logged-in users need more discipline in not biting.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[BlueStrat]

What they forget is no one cares what phone Trump uses to tweet from. As long as he has a second phone to keep the classified stuff secure, who cares if he also keeps his personal phone?

FWIW there are document preservation laws he needs to comply with, too.

I know I'll get modded down for being honest here, but I don't care.

"FWIW" is no worth at all. The document preservation laws you mention concern official papers, communications, etc. They do not cover non-government-related, non-classified/non-TS public statements and commentary published openly on a public website. Trump could have 100 phones, tablets, etc etc and post all over the 'net and not be breaking any laws or security protocols.

You lot on the left suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome are just being pathetically disingenuous and disgustingly dishonest and hypocritical with your Alinsky-ite 'accuse your enemies of exactly what you, yourself do' tactics. It's no wonder people are abandoning the left/Democrats in droves. They can't stand the smell any longer.

But hey, that's what got Trump elected! Keep it up! You'll gift the conservatives control of all 3 federal branches and the entire federal government along with the public's backing to repeal/abolish every leftist initiative instituted in the last 60 years! Good times!

For those who claim to be anti-gun, you sure love your high-caliber, fully-automatic footguns, LOL!

Strat

Re:Just another mindless attack

[phantomfive]

I know I'll get modded down for being honest here, but I don't care.

Nah, if you get modded down it'll be for the rant in the second half of your post.
The first half of your post was good and informative, and if you added a link to support the info, it would have been a good solid post.

Also, your sig is inflammatory, which (shouldn't but) can cause people to moderate differently.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

And you're reasonably confident he never discusses anything of a sensitive nature outside that room ? It's trivial to remotely enable the mic and record.

Put up or shut up.

Post the audio of a recording you made from Donald Trump's cellphone. Go ahead, I'll wait. No? You can't? But you just said it's trivial to do...

I still think Trump is incompetent, but you are lying.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[swillden]

Hillary did exactly that, but the left doesn't seem concerned that they are constantly hypocrites. She had an unsecured device that they told her not to use, and she did anyways. Likely was hacked while she was in Russia.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/clinton-emailed-from-unsecure-phone-because-nsa-denied-her-request-for-a-better-one/

Yes. That's a terrible breach of security when a Secretary of State does it.

It's about a hundred times worse when a President does it.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[SuricouRaven]

I can think of three good reasons someone might want access to the phone.
1. It goes into classified meetings, and has a microphone.
2. Trump, like everyone else, is sure to use his personal phone for work things from time to time. Even if just looking at his web browsing history, seeing what he googles for will give an insight into upcoming decisions.
3. The Twitter. If you can issue a tweet that seems to come from the president, you could cause panic. You could make a lot of money on the stockmarket or currency exchange. Announce that the government 'will not pay interest on Democratic mistakes' and that you are issuing an executive order nullifying all national debts and liabilities. Watch the dollar plummet, buy dollars, hoax is announced an hour later, sell dollars. Or you could just say something incredibly offensive about Mohammed and see if you can get World War Three underway.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[bheerssen]

Are you kidding? The man is a flaming shit bag full of stupid. He can't even form coherent sentences, for crying out loud.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

I see an emergency briefing brought to the President who was already outside the White House with others, all who possessed phones. The White House staff who were responsible for the briefing would have known the risks.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[harlequinn]

The article talks of a senator making an allegation. By American law it is untrue until they prove it otherwise.

None of us know how many phones he has. He might have any arbitrary number of phones. Unless someone has proof about the exact amount of phones he has any talk about it is useless conjecture.

It sickens me to see so many people talk about an allegation as if the defendant is guilty until proven innocent (proven in court or a senate hearing committee or some other official method - not by public opinion).

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Read the update at the end, basically makes the entire story bunk.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[dbIII]

Do you think that in an EMERGENCY situation that the military is stupid enough to for one not block unwanted RF signals

Do you think in an EMERGENCY extra time will be taken just to babysit Trump's poor choice of phone? Do you think in an EMERGENCY is a good idea to put yourself completely out of contact by blocking all RF signals thus making it difficult to deal with the EMERGENCY due to the lack of information as the EMERGENCY develops?
Please be honest.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[PopeRatzo]

Read the update at the end, basically makes the entire story bunk.

Here is the update, in its entirety:

Update: White House press secretary Sean Spicer told reporters Monday afternoon that Trump was briefed on North Korea in a sensitive compartmented information facility, or SCIF — a portable, secure area.

So basically, Spicer is saying, "You gonna believe me or your own lying eyes?"

Re: Just another mindless attack

[grcumb]

The problem is I consider ALL the media news to be propaganda, and don't really believe any of it. I'm even dubious about the things that are agreed upon by both the left an right sides of the political spectrum.

What's ironic is that you learned to distrust 'the media' because of a rhetorical line promulgated in 'the media' against 'the media'. Maybe, just maybe, 'the media' isn't monolithic. Maybe it comprises a huge variety of perspectives and motivations and capabilities. And maybe some sources are more reliable than others.

Maybe... the media sources that spend their time discrediting other media sources are not so credible themselves? Maybe it's complicated.

Pretty fucked up, huh?

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Nobody is disputing how many phones Trump has.

People are exactly disputing how many phones Trump has.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[HiThere]

Well...no. I learned to distrust the media by observing an event that I later saw covered on the media. This has happened three times (not a large sample) and in each case the media grossly distorted the event. A bad fire got turned into a city destroying nightmare, e.g. You'd be surprised at what can be done by careful selection of camera angles and framing.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Lost Race]

So do you want that security measure invalidated?

Sure, what's the worst that could happen? President Pence?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[mean pun]

the people comparing this to the hillary email server are ignorant.

I'm sorry, but I never bought into the notion that Hillary Clinton did anything really problematic with this email server. It seems very out of character for her to share significant state secrets through a low-grade channel. I think it is far more plausible that she emailed about some things that were leaked by Edward Snowden or somebody else. Technically those things were (and quite possibly still are) state secrets, but hacking those servers would not reveal anything very interesting.

They are speculating the phone that he is using.

The word 'speculating' is an understatement. People have gone over old photos with DT's cellphone in it, and made a pretty solid identification of the type he was using. As in 'I am not aware of any other phone that has all these visual cues.' I think it is established that at least at the time of those photos he was using a fairly old Samsung Android phone. Of course, he may have replaced it with something more modern in the meantime.

and directly linking to other liberals mad that hes not using a trivial service like twitter from a phone that also handles top secret matters. I feel from a security standpoint there is nothing wrong with what he is doing with the phones.

That he's using twitter on an insecure phone is by itself obviously not a security issue. The issue is that he may be doing other things with that phone as well. Like making sensitive phone calls. It is already pretty well documented that he has violated security protocol in other instances, so that's not exactly wild speculation. And even just carrying an insecure phone around may be a security issue. AFAIK it is against Secret Service protocol, and it is easy to see why; it is like he's carrying a location tracker.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[grcumb]

You'd be surprised at what can be done by careful selection of camera angles and framing.

I doubt it. It's what I do for a living.

You're right that the camera lies in important ways. It lies in what it omits.

But that is the point. The journalist omits a shit-tonne of irrelevant detail every single time s/he writes a story. And a photojournalist removes a shit-tonne of detail every time s/he frames a shot. That's actually part of the job: highlighting the thing that makes this particular story newsworthy.

The fact that it's often done inadequately shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Here on Slashdot, for example, we all know how much of source code is absolute shit. And familiarity breeds contempt.

But somehow we still manage to find enough software to build a platform on which to perform our everyday online tasks. Which is kind of remarkable when we consider the shit sandwich we're resting our work on. And yet, we find a way.

I'd recommend you take the same approach to the news. Yes, there is a really thick and juicy shit sandwich out there, and a lot of reporting is made up of the moist middle bit. But not all of it is. Not every reporter does things perfectly every time, but with a little patience and perseverance, you can build a stable of go-to commentators who can be relied on to be honest, fair and to follow the facts. They won't always be right, but they will never attempt to deceive. There are more of them out there than you may know.

There's a years-long discussion on the back side of this point, about how to engage with your audience when telling an honest story, but the bottom line is this: 'The media' doesn't exist as a single, monolithic thing. It's a broad and wildly diverse landscape. Bias is unavoidable, and contrary to popular opinion, it's not the death of journalism.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[AK Marc]

The schedule is public. The content of the National Security briefings is always assumed Top Secret. How on Earth do you not know these basic facts?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Hillary was proven to have done what she did.

Trump has an allegation against him.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Because there's no possible way that "rich people" and "staff" could be spies.

Re: Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

First off i said UNWANTED RF. Yes it can be done, Especially by the government. Second you're still lost on the point of using insecure publcservices on a secure phone. Thats my main point. on this whole fucking thread. DON'T USE SHIT LIKE SOCIAL MEDIA ON A SECURE PHONE IF YOU WANT IT TO STAY SECURE. You're looking past the part that MATTERS because you don't like him.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

How about the discussion about how to respond to the North Korean missile launch at his dinner table at the club?

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

I still don't like the fact that people are in such an uproar over this. I'm sure hes not the first political figure to do stupid shit like this. I'm sure he wont be the last. But the fact that "The issue is that he may be doing other things with that phone as well." Is still just people angry wanting to destroy this man, Like whats been happening for the last 2 months. I feel as an american, That is very bad for our country. I really disliked Obama. But I didn't go around accusing him of doing shit that anybody in government may be doing. Or for shit i just randomly thought about and try to make a big deal out of. He's our President. I would never hope for a President to be drug through the mud, Especially by his own Americans. That just makes us look worse in the worlds eyes. Might as well be Libya. I'm sure if he didn't have Secret Service I'm confident he would have already been killed by a mob of angry liberals. But who the hell am I. I'm just a 30 year old Electrician that's has his issues in life and trying to make my life good after all of it. Legally and Safely.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Highdude702]

Blackberry no longer makes an OS. Their phones run Android now.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Justt Some Guy]

The phone can be easily hacked. The fact that is (theoretically) is never in any Top Secret meetings does not change that risk.

The meetings eventually end and the phone will then be back in his possession. Meetings are not the only items of national security at risk.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh my, you disliked Obama, but you personally didn't accuse him of doing shit that anybody in government may be doing, or random thoughts. But lots of people were not so high-minded.. And one of those who did was Donald Trump. And now you're indignant.

It's too late. You should have called out Trump for doing what he did. Birtherism. Calling for revolt in 2012. Making up all sorts of crap. The drapes. The bit with visiting the Queen. You could have railed against it in your post, to show your awareness of it.

That you didn't, doesn't help you, though you could still lament it now.

That'd give you some credit. You'd admit that the problem was one of his own embracing.

But yeah, Trump has earned the scorn he gets. Like it or not. Did you hear that speech the other day? Even ignoring the Sweden bit, he sounded indignant and crass over his executive order. Vicious and confrontational. Not one admission of his serious mistakes in pursuing it. He's also put forward crap about his election.

To put it simply, Trump makes us look worse in the world's eyes. Might as well be some dictator-run state, and I'm sure the Secret Service is wishing he'd choke on a peanut. I know I am. It'd save everybody a lot of trouble if it happened before he got up to something even worse.

But a lot of his supporters don't get that. No more than Trump does. They don't understand how people can see him as repugnant, despicable and deplorable. At all. No recognition of it.

He and they just get indignant and outraged, and call for loyalty. Which has the result of reinforcing the problem. If the goal is to convince everybody that he is a belligerent thug, that's what you've accomplished. Otherwise? No.

And it's not the liberals who are to blame. No matter how much Trump and his supporters want it to be so, they're the ones who act the way they do.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Its possible that Trump reads at a remedial level and wouldnt have the patience to tweet on his own due to dyslexia or adhd.

Re:Just another mindless attack

[Anonymous Coward]

Or too vain to wear glasses? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfaXILOSEf0 Some people who can't read learn to get by conning people and faking it.

If his phone can easily be hacked,

[jenningsthecat]

then it very probably has ALREADY been hacked. The reason we haven't heard about it is a), it's been covered up or b), it hasn't been discovered yet, and the hacker is laying low in order to collect as much dirt as possible and/or do as much covert damage as possible. Trump as President is too high-profile, too controversial, too thoroughly disliked, and too valuable as a potential blackmail asset, for there NOT to have already been multiple hacking attempts by serious players with deep pockets. If he IS using anything like a stock Android phone, it's very unlikely that he hasn't already been pwned at least once.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Falconhell]

Of course, the Russians have hacked it, at least its secure from everyone but them.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

Or c), there's nothing on it worth hearing about.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

The question is what happens to an old Android phone that 200 nation states want to hack at the same time?

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[tomhath]

As long as he only uses it for personal communications there's no problem. Keep government work separate on government issued devices; that's what Powell told Hillary to do.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

Yeah, personal communications and, you know, his Twitter feed where he speaks with the de facto force of the presidency.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[religionofpeas]

There's still a problem with GPS tracking and remote activation of microphone and camera.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[ghoul]

Given that he did multi million deals as a CEO pretty sure his phone is more secure than any govt phone Private sector does security beter than the govt

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[religionofpeas]

Let's do an investigation and be completely secure.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[phantomfive]

So, serious question, how would you go about hacking his cell phone? Get him to download an app?

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[thegarbz]

and too valuable as a potential blackmail asset

Given everything that happened during the leadup to the election, just what could one possibly blackmail Trump with which would cause outcry among his supporters?

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[mmell]

I honestly don't know. Then again, I honestly don't know how kompromat is gathered. I also don't know how to penetrate national security.

But I do know a security risk when I see one.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[meta-monkey]

Given how leaky the government has been, I think I trust Trump's private security more than the government investigators.

I agree with you, I'd like the phone and everything around the President secure, but the government's been a sieve. Let's get that government squared away first with the leakers prosecuted/purged, and then secure the President's devices.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[meta-monkey]

Given everything that happened during the leadup to the election, just what could one possibly blackmail Trump with which would cause outcry among his supporters?

It turns out he loves Mexican rapists, doesn't really like pussy, and is planning to move the entire populations of Syria, Iraq, and Somalia into American white suburban neighborhoods?

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Zero__Kelvin]

You just broadcast the fact that your entire understanding of the state of security in the business sector is based on idealistic speculation. "He's was a CEO once, so his Android OS must be more secure than everyone else's Android OS!"??? Wow. That is just a phenomenal absurdity.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[religionofpeas]

Are resources so tight that we have to do things in sequence ?

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[meta-monkey]

No, it's that you can't trust the investigators until the investigators are trustworthy. Otherwise what's the point?

Right now, do you trust the intelligence agencies to secure Trump instead of exploit Trump? I'd give it 50/50.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[phantomfive]

Pizza, maybe. They don't seem to like that, for some reason.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[religionofpeas]

No, it's that you can't trust the investigators until the investigators are trustworthy

Trustworthy to whom ?

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[meta-monkey]

At least something that isn't "the Democrat party uber alles." Snowden leaked shit about unconstitutional crimes against the American people. The intel agencies now are leaking shit like "Trump was mean to the president of Mexico or Australia" and "Trump likes to wear a bathrobe!" These aren't people who are breaking their employment contracts/clearances/oaths for deep moral purpose and duty to the Constitution, but just for lame politics. Cheap whores who need to be identified and purged or prosecuted quickly.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

You mean important stuff like "Trump is unable to conduct discussions with one of important neighbors" and "Trump is so bereft of good relationships that he is taking his cues from Howard Hughes and Citizen Kane" which is kinda important.

But go ahead with your idea of purges. That's really going to inspire confidence that you aren't doing it just for a lame sense of crushing opposition.

Frankly, I'd rather have the intelligence agencies get rid of Trump, that'd show they were looking out for the American people. We didn't elect a king. He's serving the American people, and if he's not serving in our best interests, it's the job of everybody around him to stand up and say so.

The people who are mouthing "Trump is so great" are just showing they're sycophants. Especially when Trump's own integrity shows he is very low on the self-realization scale. You could hear it in his Press Conference.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[meta-monkey]

You're just a partisan hack. Your party lost and so you're so salty about it you want to throw the entire democratic system out the window. How about no? Stay mad, tho. It's fun.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[HiThere]

Don't believe it. Only *some* hacks act to protect you against successor hacks...and then usually only of the same nature.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

See, that's the thing about a country formed by a Revolution, we can't lie to ourselves and pretend that the mere thought of that is unthinkable. My state even explicitly notes that the people, have the express and inalienable right to take such action as they see fit. So do a half-dozen or so other states.

So to me, you're the one who hates the democratic system. Why? I guess you're such a partisan hack that you can't help but blind yourself to the problem.

But no, we didn't anoint a king, so no thanks, I'll pass, and support the freedom of the people.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[radl33t]

http://www.informationisbeauti... yeah private business has awesome security.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[meta-monkey]

Loser.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

Still trying to get over your Obama Derangement Syndrome?

You know, if you weren't so deadset on repealing the Affordable Care Act, you'd be able to get treated for it.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[meta-monkey]

Losersayswhat?

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

Trump is about the learn that politics is about complete transparency. Even if it's just to an internal division that never releases a report to the public. LOL!!!! I love it!

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

I don't think you get how this works. He likely already has hundreds of apps on his phone. You just have to compromise one of those companies (maybe find the smallest one, they are probably most likely to take a bribe) and then have them release an upgrade that does something evil that eventually roots the entire phone. Then, game over. All of his conversions, all of his passwords, all of his secrets, gone. (Of course, you'd never know that until MUCH later.)

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[dbIII]

then it very probably has ALREADY been hacked

The funny thing is Trump has been complaining about all the leaks in his "fine-tuned machine" of White House staff. With anyone else the phone would be suspected as the source, but the leaks are all obviously deliberate.
There's probably just one guy in China quietly writing up transcripts from the phone if anything at all (actually I doubt any intelligence service has bothered to try because they all think Trump can't possibly be so stupid as to ignore his intelligence agencies).

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[dbIII]

He's an autocrat. There is nothing that he does that he doesn't consider personal. You are living in "his" country now instead of him serving the country.
As the thing in about the North Korean missile meeting at the resort showed he has no concept of separating his work from his private life - it's all just "play" to that trust fund baby that never grew up.
Putin and anyone else that flatters him enough is going to play him like a banjo.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[dbIII]

Given that he did multi million deals as a CEO pretty sure his phone is more secure

Go talk to some IT folk in large companies to find out how depressingly often that is not the case.

Private sector does security beter than the govt

Like Stratfor?
The only places in private enterprise I've seen that had anything approaching military security were full of people who had recently worked in the military on security. The last time I looked the military was part of the government.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[dbIII]

Let's get that government squared away first with the leakers prosecuted/purged

With the leak about the discussion related to the call to the Australian Prime Minister, Malcolm "Trumble", there were three people in the room. Trump, Bannon, Spicer. Who do you purge?
You've kind of missed that the leaks almost never show Trump in a bad light and are pretty obviously deliberate. Deliberate leaking is often used as a political PR tool around the world (especially the UK). Other leaks look like internal backstabbing by White House staff bitching about each other to reporters in a absurd effort to sort out pecking order (eg. the "too stupid to find a light switch" leak).

The leaks are trivial since the press is not really "the enemy" but something used by Trump himself.

A listening device that criminals and spooks of other nations can use? Not so trivial.

Re:If his phone can easily be hacked,

[dbIII]

Trustworthy to whom ?

I think he means swearing personal fealty to King Trump instead of to the United States of America which they are already sworn to serve.

Re: If his phone can easily be hacked,

[Anonymous Coward]

Hey look and listen.

How long do you think it's going to take Pence to stage a coup?

Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[mykepredko]

I think the problem for any potential enemies is that there seems to already be a process for dealing with Mr. Trumps bizarre proclamations on Twitter - the actual administration official responsible for the portfolio provides what is the correct information.

This has happened at least a couple of times with the most recent one being Mr. Trump announcing a One State Solution for Israel - the UN ambassador just said that the US policy on the issue hasn't changed and the Two State Solution is the preferred approach.

Other than his base, I think the rest of the world treats Mr. Trump's tweets the same way they would when read something strange and inexplicable that has gone viral from an eccentric old man that's gone viral.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[OzPeter]

Other than his base, I think the rest of the world treats Mr. Trump's tweets the same way they would when read something strange and inexplicable that has gone viral from an eccentric old man that's gone viral.

My problem is that I subscribe to a philosophy that basically says

If I see something wrong on the surface that is obvious to fix, then what am I missing underneath that I can't see?

This sort of thinking assists me in fault finding and problem solving in my job. But applying it to the current administration is making me shake in my boots.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[wvmarle]

At least now if he tweets something really embarrassing he can always claim it's FAKE and his account has been hacked.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[skids]

Unless that official is Kellyanne Conway, in which case, she provides information which sounds correct and then Trump says, "no really we're going the batshit crazy route on this one, ignore her."

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[AmiMoJo]

It's Trump's entire political platform. Idiots get frustrated because they see obvious solutions to things and then hear politicians saying "it's complicated, and that won't work". Obviously they never study history so they don't realize that the obvious solutions have been tried many times already, for example protectionism in the 1930s.

Populists like Trump promise to implement these obvious solutions. When pesky things like the Constitution get in the way of common sense they just blame the people upholding the rules. Sometimes they eventually give up, sometimes they manage to get rid of those people by democratic means or otherwise.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[Anonymous Coward]

Obviously they never study history so they don't realize that the obvious solutions have been tried many times already, for example protectionism in the 1930s.

..and socialism throughout most of the 20th century. I guess you're an idiot as well.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[Anonymous Coward]

If you think, for a moment, that the 20th century history of America is socialist in any way (in other than a Sean Hannity completely-uninformed, philosophically-bankrupt, historically-clueless, jingoistic-red-meat-throwing, name-calling sort of a way) then YOU'RE the idiot. 20th century America is a textbook example of unchecked capitalism run amok.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[mmell]

Obvious solutions such as banning a religion, implementing theology-based ideology testing, deportation squads, threatening to lock up political opponents, governing based on alternative facts, declining to receive accurate intelligence data on a regular basis, seeking to restart the nuclear arms race, campaigning when he should be governing, issuing decrees (executive orders) to replace the rule of law, considering the news media to be the opposition party, monetizing the presidency, . . .

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[Anonymous Coward]

Ok. Why is this considered acceptable? Is it not a sign of gross incompetence? In what world is this an acceptable situation for the presidency?

Why is this not grounds for impeachment?

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[HiThere]

While he's wrong, so are you. 20th Century US was not Capitalist, it was oligarchist. The monopolies established via government power were only slightly subtler than those that Teddy Roosevelt fought. So far nobody has successfully challenged them except in minor corners. I suppose you could call it state sponsored capitalism, but if you take out the downside risk, then what remains can't really be called capitalism.

P.S.: Neither Socialism nor Capitalism is a desirable system. Though most of the 20th century the oligarchism was actually superior to either. And note that it contains elements of both. There is currently, however, clear evidence that with increasing automation it has reached a limit, where it is no longer a reasonably good choice. What should replace it, and how to get there, is as yet unclear.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[HiThere]

Grounds for impeachment is whatever the House of Representatives finds suitable. Please note that the House is currently dominantly Republican.

A successful impeachment can be done on whatever grounds the Senate finds acceptable. Please also note that the Senate is dominantly Republican.

A successful impeachment requires a majority vote of the House. A successful conviction requires a majority vote of the Senate. The chances of this happening are extremely slim. It would require that a large number of Republicans in both the House and the Senate be thoroughly outraged.

P.S.: The causes I listed are not the official grounds, which are, IIRC, "High Crimes and Misdemeanors", but the term doesn't appear to be well defined, and there is no clear test, so as a matter of practice it's whatever the Representatives and Senators find suitable.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[vannoble]

Actually a successful conviction requires a two-thirds majority of the Senate

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[dbIII]

I suppose you could call it state sponsored capitalism

No, state sponsored capitalism is an aspect of fascism and things are not so bad that it ever went that far in the USA.
The typical term for what we see is crony capitalism, where the links are less and more subtle than outright fascism but it still hampers both democracy and capitalism.
Currently South Korea is demonstrating an effort to fight back against crony capitalism with Samsung being caught out abusing their links to government.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[HiThere]

Well, actually I do usually call it fascism...but it's "fascism-lite" rather than the full-blown model, and I'm thinking of Mussolini's ideas and practices.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[HiThere]

Point. I thought that was probably true, but couldn't find a reference, so I went with the more inclusive term. (You can't get a 2/3 vote without also getting a majority vote.)

As I said, the chances are extremely remote, and it could only happen if a large number of Republican legislators get extremely upset.

Re:Process already in place for fake Trump tweets

[dbIII]

The situation in the US in the 1930s was pushing in the way, but no, neither then nor today is it anything like the scale of Mussolini's ideas and practices (which was well and truly the full blown model - don't go easy on him just because he killed a lot less people than Hitler).
Umberto Eco wrote a good piece on how to recognise fascism that gets linked to a lot.
Trump is such a loose cannon that people are speculating we'll see a bit of the real thing soon, but that would be a pretty rough lesson to show you the difference. Hopefully it won't happen and you'll just be able to read about the misfortunes of others to see the difference.



We currently have processes that have shortcuts for cronies and those who flash some cash. While nowhere near ideal that's very different to a system where all but the cronies are locked out.

The Cyber is Hard

[Anonymous Coward]

As far as the cyber, I agree to parts of what Secretary Clinton said. We should be better than anybody else, and perhaps we’re not. I don’t think anybody knows that it was Russia that broke into the DNC. She’s saying Russia, Russia, Russia—I don't, maybe it was. I mean, it could be Russia, but it could also be China. It could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds, okay? ...

We came in with the Internet. We came up with the Internet. And I think Secretary Clinton and myself would agree very much, when you look at what ISIS is doing with the Internet, they’re beating us at our own game. ISIS.

So we had to get very, very tough on cyber and cyber warfare. It is a huge problem. I have a son—he’s 10 years old. He has computers. He is so good with these computers. It’s unbelievable. The security aspect of cyber is very, very tough. And maybe, it's hardly doable. But I will say, we are not doing the job we should be doing. But that’s true throughout our whole governmental society. We have so many things that we have to do better, Lester. And certainly cyber is one of them.

Re:The Cyber is Hard

[Anonymous Coward]

Thank you Miss Conway. But the question was, "What's your favorite vegetable?"

Re:The Cyber is Hard

[Bite The Pillow]

For the record, those are Trump's actual words from his mouth, describing how cyber security is difficult or impossible. And then he uses a phone known to be insecure.

What he meant to say was "maybe it wasn't Russia", but he just keeps talking, and conveyed an entirely different message.

Re: The Cyber is Hard

[Anonymous Coward]

Wise words indeed.

The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

For decades, the Republicans have been warning us that there was a political party embedded with Freedom-hating people who would gladly sell us out to Russia.

Seems like they knew what they were talking about.

Re:The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

Remember when the United States was the Christian Nation and the Soviet Union was the Evil Empire?

Re:The Enemy Within

[Highdude702]

No, All the Millennials complaining are too young for any real history that hasn't been doctored to one side.

Re:The Enemy Within

[halltk1983]

Just like the Boomers and GenX then? And every generation before them? There's been propaganda since Ugg and Lurr first started drawing on cave walls.

Re:The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

Trump will Make America Christian Again!

Re:The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

It's spelt Lrrr.

Re: The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm a boomer and don't remember it. I remember people claiming it to be that way, but never actually.

Re:The Enemy Within

[LifesABeach]

It will be really easy to tell when Trumps phone is being hijacked, the messages will be coherent. Also, is Trump on some kind of medication that the American people should be made aware of?

Re:The Enemy Within

[LifesABeach]

Lurr still owes me money for Mead.

Re: The Enemy Within

[LifesABeach]

Sounds like you're a Trump Supporter.

Re:The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

Well, actually, Emperor Trumpatine keeps that old, insecure phone around just in case one of his idiotic tweets blows up in his face too much. Then, "I was hacked" comes out. Sad. #SoCalledPresident

Re: The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

Naa, I'm so far left the communist would kick me out.

Re:The Enemy Within

[Highdude702]

That is exactly why our world has turned to shit since the time of humans communicating. Also I love your sig.

Re: The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

" All the Millennials complaining are too young for any real history that hasn't been doctored to one side."
Unlike the "doctoring" of most, if not all, of recorded history? It's always been the "winner" who records history. There is no such thing as a purely factual record of the past. It is always skewed or tainted in some manner.

We've all been fed a steady diet of bullshit. The real question is whether or not we, at any age, are aware that other potentially legitimate perspectives exist.

Re:The Enemy Within

[TheFakeTimCook]

It will be really easy to tell when Trumps phone is being hijacked, the messages will be coherent. Also, is Trump on some kind of medication that the American people should be made aware of?

Boy, that's no shit! To both statements.

Re:The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

Remember when X was the Christian Nation and Y was the Evil Empire?

So, remember when X = Y?

Re:The Enemy Within

[phantomfive]

There's been propaganda since Ugg and Lurr first started drawing on cave walls.

If you have actual evidence of that, it would be so cool.

Re:The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

That would certainly be an improvement.

Re:The Enemy Within

[HiThere]

No. And I was born in the 1940's. Perhaps it was true in the 1840's.

If you mean to I remember a lot of nuts claiming that we were a "christian nation", then yah, I remember that. But it was a lie at the time, and it had been a lie for at least a decade. (I can't remember any further back, but I suspect longer.) And what they were proposing wasn't Christian anyway.

Re: The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

Better than Obama and Hillary trying to make it Islamic.

Re:The Enemy Within

[RazorSharp]

It sounds like you really miss the days of good old Senator McCarthy.

Re: The Enemy Within

[Anonymous Coward]

Frankly I'd prefer a country where they have freedom of religion. Know where I can find one?

Re:The Enemy Within

[jaygridley]

Ruler of Omicron Persei 8.

Who says?

[Anonymous Coward]

Who says one's hacked and one's not?

Thinking it comes from the dems it must be the Android's not hacked.

Just sayin'

Easily detected

[belthize]

Just watch his twitter feed. If he begins making sane, rational tweets you'll know it was hacked.

Re:Easily detected

[OzPeter]

Just watch his twitter feed. If he begins making sane, rational tweets you'll know it was hacked.

His tweets are made both by him and his staffers. There was some analysis last year that shows a split between Android and iOS devices as well as the times of day the tweets were made. Basically he makes the un-hinged ones while his staffers make the rational ones. See things like http://varianceexplained.org/r...

Re: Easily detected

[Anonymous Coward]

That's a fascinating analysis, cleverly done too.

Re:Easily detected

[Anonymous Coward]

any post made by his staffers will be denounced when it comes back to bit him as
FAKE NEWS

FAKE NEWS

FAKE NEWS

until everyone shuts the hell up.
I am so glad that I don't live in "Trumpton". Postman Pat would be turning in his grave.

Re:Easily detected

[meta-monkey]

I'm really looking forward to the "Hall of Tweets" exhibit at the future Donald J. Trump Presidential Library and Casino, where all of his top tweets are presented in golds on the walls (which are also gold).

"I have never seen a thin person drinking Diet Coke."

"Fidel Castro is dead!"

Galaxy?

[JBMcB]

"The device President Trump insists on using -- most likely the Samsung Galaxy S3 -- has particularly well documented vulnerabilities,"

Is it an S3 or not? That's a weird way of saying that you're guessing.

He should probably be reprimanded for not using a secure phone, if he's using it for official business, but Lieu would hold more water if he didn't give Hilary a pass for doing, roughly, the same thing he's ripping Trump for doing:

https://lieu.house.gov/media-c...

Re:Galaxy?

[Highdude702]

Honestly i hope hes smart enough to keep a personal, phone for social media bullshit seeing as thats the easiest way to hack somebody as of the last 3 years. And a secure phone for official issues. If he was to put twitter(even in a browser) It would surely add some sort of security issue as the company has never made a profit i doubt they pay much to secure their service.

Re:Galaxy?

[Bite The Pillow]

If only there were a way through official channels to confirm which device he uses, and if it has been secured, or is still vulnerable...

Oh, that's what this is.

Re:Galaxy?

[mmell]

Lieu would hold more water if he didn't give Hilary a pass for doing, roughly, the same thing he's ripping Trump for doing:

So we should lock him up?

Re:Galaxy?

[HiThere]

Maybe he'll replace it with a Note 7.

Re:Galaxy?

[dbIII]

If he catches fire we know it's a Samsung S7.

He can just wipe it with a towel

[Anonymous Coward]

Democrats set the standard - now they get to fucking live with it.

Just like the extreme Cabinet members we're not getting via the Reid option.

Thanks, Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer.

Re:He can just wipe it with a towel

[GameboyRMH]

Along these lines, I think that Trump should be investigated over this at least nine times.

He's not stupid?

[Anonymous Coward]

I think if his people had any influence over him, they would stop some downright insane tweets, no?

"@RealDonaldTrump The FAKE NEWS media (failing @nytimes, @CNN, @NBCNews and many more) is not my enemy, it is the enemy of the American people. SICK!" 1:32 PM - 17 Feb 2017

He tweets it, regrets it, deletes it, too late, it's archived on archive.org.... this does not indicate any kind of grownups moderating that cry-ee baby, or any kind of wisdom on Trumps part.

@GP, still fighting the election huh? Doesn't that show the issue here. The government isn't following Trump, they're following Pence. Trump tweets "Israel one state is solution", Pence reassures, two state solution is still the course, so two state solution is the course. Trump appointee attacks NATO, Pence reassures NATO has full committment. People believe Pence not Trump man. It's not crooked clinton or anything else, it's Trump that's not commanding any kind of Presidential authority.
IMHO, it's like the gold paint he covers his rooms with. Nobody really thinks it's gold, it looks like gold paint, yet he insists it's 24 carat gold. And he's like that fake gold paint, a man pretending to be a President while not actually convincing anyone.

Re:He's not stupid?

[Highdude702]

How about if we weren't all acting like spoiled fucking kids about this whole thing. We wouldnt have had a spoiled fucking kid or a corrupt political princess to choose from? Has anybody thought of that? Im honestly about over all of this shit and wish a comet would race out of space and destroy us all. The world would be a better place.

Re:He's not stupid?

[Anonymous Coward]

Even if you convince every America to go along with Trumpykins, and his little flights-of-fancy, and his tantrums, why would foreign countries go along with it? It's not our fault he's such a flake, and pretending he isn't doesn't fix it.

Really Pence is the one holding it together, Trumps appointees are all poison pill people. Pence's choices have been more steady. I think the GOP would be better off just kicking Trump out sooner rather than later, and continuing with Pence. It's not like he they don't have cause to ditch Trump, or that Pence hasn't shown himself to be Presidential in 'difficult' circumstances.

If Trump wasn't such a joke, I'd think he was a fifth columnist, trying to divide people, undermine US trade, obstruct, dismantle, undermine the economy, spend all the money on pointless crap, it's the classic 5th columnist saboutage.
But then he gets up, tweets some random "everyone hates me and it's SOOO UNFAIR because I really did win the election honest I did, by the biggliest margin ever", and I realize he's mentally unhinged, not any kind of clever Putin agent.

You want a proper President? Pence. A solid pro-business, pro-strong defence, Republican agenda man.

Lock her up, lock her up, lock her up!

[Anonymous Coward]

But her emails!!!

Be careful what you ask for....

[Rick Zeman]

As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House
will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.

~H.L. Mencken

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Anonymous Coward]

Holy crap! That's a real quote!

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2...

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[g01d4]

On the other hand, Trump got in via the electoral college.

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[religionofpeas]

Trump got in via the electoral college.

With the most votes ever...

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[93 Escort Wagon]

With the most votes ever...

Did he actually say that?

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Anonymous Coward]

Since...the last time Obama won in 2012. And 2008. Oh wait, he got more people's votes than Bush in 2004. By one million.

Behind in the Electoral college compared to Obama as well.

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Anonymous Coward]

With the most votes ever...

Did he actually say that?

An exact quote:

We got 306 because people came out and voted like they’ve never seen before so that’s the way it goes. I guess it was the biggest Electoral College win since Ronald Reagan.

He guessed wrong. But I suppose he might be correct that people came out and voted like never seen before...except if he meant that a larger number of voters, well, that's not true. Honestly, the biggest news is the UNDERPERFORMANCE, which hasn't been seen before, true.

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Trailer Trash]

As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House
will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.

~H.L. Mencken

And now that he's had his 8 year term, people elected Trump.

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[h33t l4x0r]

Most votes since Reagan is what he said. When the reporter reminded him that Obama had more he said most votes for a republican since Reagan. When the reporter reminded him that GHWB had more he said that was what he was told.

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Anonymous Coward]

IOW "I like fake news when it makes me look good."

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Anonymous Coward]

People used to call Reagan the 'Teflon President,' nothing stuck to him. But he had nothing on The Donald.

And nobody has had a bigger Reality Distortion Field than Steve Jobs until now!

Re: Be careful what you ask for....

[Anonymous Coward]

You know what the problem is with stupid people? They don't know they are stupid - you are an idiot

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Rick Zeman]

As democracy is perfected, the office of the president represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people.
On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House
will be occupied by a downright fool and a complete narcissistic moron.

~H.L. Mencken

And now that he's had his 8 year term, people elected Trump.

Living up to your nickname, eh?

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[SuricouRaven]

No.

He said he had the most votes since Reagen. Which is still false.

Re:Be careful what you ask for....

[Onthax]

Every President got in via the electoral college....

The CIA isn't secure.

[Anonymous Coward]

The problem with this is that our intellegence community has already been leaking classified information to the press. They aren't secure, and they aren't able to offer Trump a secure phone.

Fake news.

[Anonymous Coward]

Trump doesn't use Android, he uses an iPhone you fucking liberal imbeciles. Slashdot is part of the bullshit mainstream media now. Welcome to the shit list.

Re:Fake news.

[Highdude702]

I think you missed the whole Apple vs FBI part, where trump said he would no longer use an iphone(and stuck to his word so far)

Re:Fake news.

[unixisc]

He continued using that iPhone though, and got his new Android Phone from the Secret Service after he got sworn in.

However, on the main story, why is the Congressman more concerned about Trump's phone than the fact that bureaucrats in the Intelligence Agencies had been leaking Trump's calls to Mexico and Australia? There should be a campaign to purge that stuff

Re:Fake news.

[Highdude702]

His aides continued to tweet for him on iphones, he switched to android. there is an article somewhere showing that. don't feel like looking for it. since its actually on this thread somewhere. Either way that doesn't mean he should be using twitter on a secure phone. That's plain stupid. Allow him to use his "non secure" android phone. which i feel is an oxymoron anyways. All bought off the shelf phones are vulnerable, at least any most common people have heard of. That being said, If he did or was even able to tweet off of a "secure" phone. As soon as the twitter app had a vulnerability the attackers would be released to a treasure trove of government information. Which is why i feel he should be keeping those affairs separate.

As far as your call for a purge on government employees leaking information. I 100% agree with you. Just because you don't happen to like whoever got elected to office, Does not give you the right to become a traitor and try to sabotage our entire nation.

Re:Fake news.

[unixisc]

Do his aides tweet for him at all? I'd imagine that one of them probably handles @POTUS and retweets stuff from whitehouse.gov, while he himself continues to handle his personal account to discuss Mark Cuban and the dishonest media.

Re:Fake news.

[dbIII]

The conversations after those calls were also leaked so that makes Trump, Bannon and Spicer the only suspects.
That's why Congressman are not worried.
The leaks about those calls were obviously deliberate and were mostly about Trump "being strong".

Re:Fake news.

[Highdude702]

Last i read, During his campaign when the apple thing happened, Was he would tweet at odd hours from his android phone, And aids would tweet during normal working hours on iphones. I don't know if thats true or not. I read it on the internet.. and well you know. But it did seem legit with the screen shots that were everywhere when it happened.

Why so many leftists?

[Anonymous Coward]

Story after story on globalists giving our jobs to India and H1Bs, finally we have a President who cares and you're all sour grapes.

Why aren't you giving nationalism a chance? Because the snarky jews on TV convinced you someone is Hitler? Take a step back and think about yourself for a change - you're going to be better off. More jobs, lower taxes, not competing with Xi and Pajeet.

Re:Why so many leftists?

[Anonymous Coward]

Story after story on globalists giving our jobs to India and H1Bs, finally we have a President who cares and you're all sour grapes.

He cares by using a Samsung Galaxy phone not vetted by U.S. services? You know what "Samsung" is, right?

Why aren't you giving nationalism a chance? Because the snarky jews on TV convinced you someone is Hitler?

The snarky jews could not care less about what happens to muslims. Take a look how Israel treats Palestinians. No, he isn't Hitler. Just like Hitler, with the "Jewish World Conspiracy" replaced by a Muslimic one, painting members of a religion with an overarching brush in colors of prejudice with only a homeopathic connection to facts.

Take a step back and think about yourself for a change - you're going to be better off. More jobs, lower taxes, not competing with Xi and Pajeet.

Have you considered applying for the job of propaganda minister with Trump? You are putting up a nice Goebbels incarnation. Nationalism has been given lots of chances in lots of places, and its death toll exceeds that of most natural catastrophes and epidemics. There is a reason people are wary of giving it a whole lot more chances than less potent mass murderers, rapists, and robbers.

Re:Why so many leftists?

[unixisc]

Trump just had a great meeting w/ Netanyahu, and you think that someone who makes snide remarks against Jews would be his propaganda minister? How does that work, when Trump is proud of his Jewish support, and Jared Kushner is about as loved by him as by Netanyahu?

Re: Why so many leftists?

[Anonymous Coward]

"...more jobs, lower taxes..."
AND
rampant racism, an economic plan that could drive our national debt to "funny money" type numbers, acceptance of genocidal and unstable world leaders (Putin), proliferation of nuclear weapons, and my personal favorite, becoming the laughing stock and cautionary tale for the rest of the civilized world.

Hey, why not? Let's give it a shot...

Re:Why so many leftists?

[mmell]

Trump just had a great meeting w/ Netanyahu, and you think that someone who makes snide remarks against Jews would be his propaganda minister?

Okay, I give - who is his propaganda minister? Whoever it is, he's not too bright.

Trump is proud of his Jewish support

which explains

Jared Kushner is about as loved by him as by Netanyahu

The day he decides he no longer need the international money men, his daughter will get a divorce and be welcomed back into the arms of her local Christian community (that, or be disowned) - and Jared Kushner will be just another tool, used until he has no further use for the Trump regime. Of course, Trump's supporters will be overjoyed on that day; for now, they'll just follow their leader and accept the need to keep up appearances.

Re:Why so many leftists?

[dbIII]

I disagree - Trump doesn't appear to have any use for Christianity outside of campaigning so I don't think he really cares about the religion of Jared and his daughter.
I've forgotten the name of the guy that ran the Church that Trump used to go to infrequently, but he wrote bestselling self-help books and preached the "prosperity gospel" (ie. God hates the poor that's why they are poor). It's not what most people outside of that bubble would recognize as Christianity.

I'm sorry..... But do you really believe.....

[Anonymous Coward]

Does anybody believe that the government isn't monitoring that cell phone as if it was a nuclear bomb? Seriously.

Re:I'm sorry..... But do you really believe.....

[Highdude702]

Oh come on dont be rational! Slashdot is no place for being Rational!

Still cheaper

[tomhath]

Sounds like a good deal. That's less than Clinton used to charge for a night in the Lincoln bedroom.

Re:Still cheaper

[Anonymous Coward]

I guess there must be some deflation at work, because the kind of money that used to buy you a single night in the Lincoln bedroom money now buys you a whole office in the West Wing or a position in the cabinet.

The big difference between the Lincoln bedroom donors and club members is that donors donated money to campaigns, while club members put money directly into Donny's pocket!

Of course, even Trump donors are putting money into his pocket because he's the landlord where his campaign rents space.

Corruption on this scale is unprecedented in the US.

dom

The real question...

[c]

Why in the heck is a supposed billionaire still using a Galaxy S3? At least tell us that it's been unlocked and it running Cyanogenmod or something...

Re:The real question...

[nnet]

because they can. or...bacon. or...$INSERT_JOKE

Re:The real question...

[Highdude702]

Rich people don't get rich buying everything they see and want. I have workeed for alot of million and billionaires in my trade. Alot of them shop at 99c stores for alot of stuff. and you would never notice they were rich unless you saw them loading their car up.

Re: The real question...

[Anonymous Coward]

It's a custom phone. Solid gold, encrusted with diamonds and rubies with "Property of Donald Trump" written on it and a mirror on the back.

Re:The real question...

[DeBaas]

Oh, it's unlocked and running custom firmware allright

Re: The real question...

[Anonymous Coward]

Bacon would be a OnePlus, not an S3.

Re:The real question...

[unixisc]

Uh, it's what the Secret Service gave him, and which is within their VPN?

Re:The real question...

[Anonymous Coward]

Dallas Cowboys owner Jerry Jones was once ridiculed on the net for using a feature phone. Jones is a billionaire and one of the most powerful men in sports. But hey, he likes the fliptop form factor and he doesn't need to surf the web constantly, so more power.

Re:The real question...

[Calydor]

Maybe he just, I dunno, likes it?

https://xkcd.com/1782/

Re:The real question...

[Highdude702]

IRC will never die. 12 Networks here.. lol

Re:The real question...

[UnknowingFool]

No it is not. The work you missed is "Unsecured". If the Secret Service gave him the phone, it would be secured.

Re:The real question...

[Anonymous Coward]

He had upgraded to a Note 7 but a Secret Service agent leaped on top of it.

Re:The real question...

[unixisc]

What report is there that says it's his? His own phone is/was an iPhone, and he only switched to an Android after taking office i.e. the secret service probably asked him to use that one instead

Re:The real question...

[dbIII]

Oh, it's unlocked and running custom firmware allright

If we had time travel and really wanted to mess with people in the past we could send back a newspaper headline to 1990 that says:
"President Trump Rooted his Android"





It's the future! We've got hoverboards and androids but they are not what we expected from the name.

Re: The real question...

[Anonymous Coward]

Where do you get your information because it contains a number of inaccuracies?

While no one has seen Trump tweet, during the course of the campaign, it was suspected he used an Android while a staffer used an iPhone. This speculation was based on both when either was used and the language used. The Android user having far more grammatical errors.

pointless teeth gnashing, pointless blaming, y'all

[Anonymous Coward]

For all the back and forth you people waste time on regarding your presidents unsecured phone, I'm curious as to why some haxx0r group hasn't already done so, and sent the data to a news agency, or wikileaks. The comedy gold alone would be worth YUUUUUGE. Bigly.

Don't bug me

[Anonymous Coward]

The Russians and the Chinese are arguing with each other about the hours they get to listen in but the malware is making the phone unreliable so they'll have to sort that out first with the Iranians.

Hypocrite.

[Anonymous Coward]

He was being a total D-bag toward Hillary for her use of an "unsecured" email server when she was secretary, yet he is doing something that is even worst, using an unsecured phone AS THE GOD DAMN PRESIDENT.

Re:Hypocrite.

[Anonymous Coward]

like, totally, like. like. i'm sure, like.

Re:Hypocrite.

[guruevi]

Twitter isn't exactly the hallmark of classified information storage. Obama, Hillary etc had an "insecure" phone as well, besides the one they got given.

It's the other way around doofus

[rsilvergun]

we're upset because after nearly a decade of the right chanting Lock Her Up that resulted in the worst presidency in history (and we're 30 days in) we're damn well going to point out that the right are a bunch of hypocrites. Nobody ever cared about the emails. They hated Hilary. What bothers me most about the Hilary hate is it was mostly manufactured. A bunch of wealthy and powerful men decided the country was going to hate Hilary Clinton and it did. We all did exactly as planned. My God, we're a bunch of shleps...

Re:It's the other way around doofus

[fahrbot-bot]

A bunch of wealthy and powerful men decided the country was going to hate Hilary Clinton and it did. We all did exactly as planned. My God, we're a bunch of shleps...

Perhaps the more accurate phrase you're looking for is sheeple.

(Noting that things don't often turn out well for the sheep...)

Tiny minority

[Anonymous Coward]

The democraps have such a tiny minority that only fake news sites like slashdot would broadcast their ravings. The stock market sure likes Mr. Trump.

Re:Tiny minority

[Anonymous Coward]

The stock market liked GWB, too.

Until 2008.

Re:Tiny minority

[Anonymous Coward]

When they knew that most likely a business hating democrat would hit office.. makes sense!

Re:Tiny minority

[Anonymous Coward]

No. The stock market likes tax cuts. Because they're short sighted.

If trump can't get around to getting to the tax cuts because of his fight against the first amendment, and subsequently his impeachment, the stock market will go down.

Re android phone

[freddieb]

Maybe the hacker would post something better than DT.

Then hack it.

[Gravis Zero]

Look, if you want to show a buffoon that something is true, you have to actually do it. So, please, somebody brick his phone, to spite him.

Pfffff

[Anonymous Coward]

If the hands free capabilities of his Samsung are anything akin to my own ( Galaxy S7 ) then we have little to fear in the audio evesdropping department.

If I set it to speakerphone mode, I could f*cking YELL at it and the caller wont hear me.

Taping over the cameras deals with video sneakiness.

Which leaves location tracking, fixed with an rf killing bag / container.

And Twitter. Which we all see moments after he sends them out anyway.

Besides, it could be useful.

If terrorists or " bad guys " are going to try and plan anything using his phone data, just sneak it into the pockets of some useless Congress type or some other useless member of society we could all do without. Hell, tape it to the front door of the CIA or NSA.

Maybe, instead of bitching about his use of a potentially insecure phone, we should force the manufacturers to fix the GD things in the first place.

You mean he did nothing wrong, right?

[Anonymous Coward]

Good God you shills are pathetic. There was no top secret files out in public view, because the meeting was a visit with the Japanese Prime Minister and not a top secret cabinet meeting discussing anything secret. Same old shit. Take a fact and then make up wild fairy tales about the fact and pretend the wild fairy tales are true.

If this is an outrage, then why...

[Anonymous Coward]

weren't these same people concerned about Hillary's use of non-secured phones, tablets, and email server? The ones she actually used to communicate with staff/etc? Messages and documents which were sensitive enough to at least be retroactively classified (and in some cases, actually classified), and at least at the time, currently privileged? Where was Ted then? Where was Ted when Congress looked into these practices then?

Rather than a device used to send out tweets (which are already pretty completely public anyway).

Oh, he's a Democrat. And a Republican is in power. That's why it's important now.

An S3?

[amiga3D]

He's using a Samsung S3? Why does this sound like bullshit? Maybe an S4 or S5 but a phone that old? Nah. I don't believe it. The man has the best of everything and he's using an ancient phone. No way.

Re: An S3?

[Anonymous Coward]

Remember, he needs something he can hold in his hands. It may not sound like much, but at Donald's size an extra 1/3rd of an inch makes all the difference.

Re:An S3?

[UnknowingFool]

Um, why is that BS? Trump could absolutely afford a new phone, but Trump is a man who does what he wants. If he doesn't want a newer phone, he's not getting one. Remember Trump is 70; older people tend not to update their technology unless they have to update it.

so NOW it maters

[Anonymous Coward]

But when people like Hillary did it, 'whatever'...

( and to clarify, i DO think its a big deal regardless of who they are. Its just that the political hypocrisy of late just annoys the hell out of me )

all these liberals & globalists

[FudRucker]

should be rounded up and put in FEMA camps for re-education, right along with all these muslims immigrants that have been flooding in for the last 8 years be deported, i am all in favor of the US Constitution being amended to make islam & sharia law illegal because of its incompatibilities with civil rights and human rights,.

Re:all these liberals & globalists

[ghoul]

Thats like saying Christianity needs to be made illegal as its a communist religion -"From each according to his ability to each according to his need"

Re:all these liberals & globalists

[UnknowingFool]

Then you agree that Christians should be rounded up to due to all the incompatibilities with civil rights and human rights.

Oh No we can't have this!

[gabrieltss]

But Hillary "The Hildabeast" Clinton can run a private email server distributing classified information. She can funnel favors and access for "donations" (e.g. Bribes/Payoffs!) to the Clinton Foundation. The liberals can be as CORRUPT as they want to be but OMG! let anyone else do something similar and it's the worst thing in the world.

Liberals - STFU! Until you can clean up your OWN HOUSE - you don't have a FUCKING thing to say about anyone else.

What is it they say about people who live in glass houses????

BOTH sides are corrupt and controlled - get a life! People who don't see this are as dumb as horse shit and don't deserve to be allowed to vote!

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[UnknowingFool]

The last time I checked Hillary isn't President. But your point is as silly as saying since your neighbor deals drugs; therefore, you are free to deal drugs. Hypocrite much?

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[TheDarkener]

Obviously Hillary can NOT run a private email server without a lot of negative publicity and essentially costing her the election. But oh, SHE did it, so anyone else who does it shouldn't have the same negative publicity?

You're fucking stupid.

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[Highdude702]

I wish i hadnt commented i would mod you up insightful. I hope you hit 5. Because you are Both sides are corrupt. All government is corrupt and should be downsized enough that it can actually be monitored for corruption.

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[mmell]

So your position is it's okay for Donald because you think Hilary did it?

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[Anonymous Coward]

That's not how corruption works. You don't get to do it because somebody else did. That would make murder, rape, and burglary legal. Other people do it, so that makes it okay.

Not that it matters. Until the Ds take a majority in at least one - or both - houses, the Rs who are in the House and Senate will simply rubber stamp anything the president tells them to do. Oh, they'll make gesticulations about being offended by the bluster, but deep down they know that their base is the most controllable when they can offer a bully that punches the duly chosen scapegoat to follow. It's their entire MO, and its working.

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[UnknowingFool]

No his position is that BUT EMAILS! absolves Trump of anything he might do to undermine national security. Like holding a sensitive meeting about the US response to North Korea's missile test in front of dozens of civilians. That was all Hillary's fault.

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[Gussington]

But Hillary "The Hildabeast" Clinton can run a private email server distributing classified information. She can funnel favors and access for "donations" (e.g. Bribes/Payoffs!) to the Clinton Foundation. The liberals can be as CORRUPT as they want to be but OMG! let anyone else do something similar and it's the worst thing in the world.

Er, Hillary wasn't allowed to do those things either, as demonstrated by the numerous investigations into her behaviour.
And even if Hillary was actually Satan, it's not a strong position to say the current president should be able to do whatever he likes because satan is worse.
Take off your political googles, Trump's behaviour as POTUS is not acceptable. Just as we demand better behaviour from Bush and Obama, we should also expect something better from the current office holder.

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[Anonymous Coward]

Donating money to Hillary's foundation isn't a bribe or a payoff because it's a charity. The money goes to buy things like medicine and clean water for poor children, and the Clintons don't get any money from it.

Donating money to Trump's foundation is a bribe or a payoff because the money goes to buy crap (like portraits) for Trump or pay his debts.

Donating money to Trump's campaign is a bribe or a payoff because he's the landlord that his campaign pays rent to.

Being a member of the Mar-a-Lago country club is a bribe or a payoff because he owns the club.

So can you see the difference between an actual donation and a bribe/payoff?

dom

Re:Oh No we can't have this!

[Anonymous Coward]

Donating money to Hillary's foundation isn't a bribe or a payoff because it's a charity. The money goes to buy things like medicine and clean water for poor children, and the Clintons don't get any money from it.

WHAT? Boy are you SORELY mistaken! Ask the people in Hatti how much of the Clinton Foundation money they REALLY got. Their Foundation is NOTHING more than a Clinton SLUSH FUND! Get a Clue!

Donating money to Trump's foundation is a bribe or a payoff because the money goes to buy crap (like portraits) for Trump or pay his debts.

Donating money to Trump's campaign is a bribe or a payoff because he's the landlord that his campaign pays rent to.

Being a member of the Mar-a-Lago country club is a bribe or a payoff because he owns the club.

So can you see the difference between an actual donation and a bribe/payoff?

dom

You just proved parents point - BOTH sides are corrupt and criminal!

Re: Oh No we can't have this!

[Anonymous Coward]

The Clinton Foundation doesn't hand out money, it performs work directly.

One Big Difference

[Anonymous Coward]

There was Proof that Hillary did most of the things people are accusing Trump of. Hillary and Bill's dealings with Russia led to Russia having control over 20+% of the US Uranium. Hillary had dozens of phones, many unsecured, accessing her illegal private email server. Hillary and Bill are "paid" hundreds of thousands of Dollars while Hillary was acting as Secretary of State, all of which remained "classified" and hidden from public view (except the bit that was hacked and released proving she lied about fixing US Borders). Hillary praised KKK member Byrd and Eugenicist Margaret Sanger openly. In fact go look at the ranks of the KKK and count how many Democrats there are versus Republicans. There was one allegation based on third hand information, Warren Harding, who fought against the KKK and their methods.

Want more? How about _Candidate_ Obama visiting more than thirty foreign Governments to boost support for his campaign holding closed door meetings with those foreign Governments (some hostile). Left Wing Sources, Right Wing source. Just so you can't claim my sources are biased, and there is plenty more to find.

Typical Alinsky tactics. Claim the enemy does what you do, lie and keep lying about what you do. Idiots fall for it. Too bad for the Alinskyites more and more people have caught on and no longer believe the lies. There is a reason that NYP, WP, CNN, et. al have a trust rating of about 6 today.

Re:One Big Difference

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm glad somebody has the knowledge and willpower to try to show these morons how stupid they are on this hard left bias site that feigns as a tech site. I purely don't have the willpower in me to give enough of a fuck how stupid these people want to keep their selfs.

Re: One Big Difference

[Anonymous Coward]

Hard left hahaha USians don't know the meaning of ot.

Re:One Big Difference

[Anonymous Coward]

Idiot liar. No proof of this exists. Burden is on you to provide proof. Fuck off.

Re:One Big Difference

[Anonymous Coward]

God damn, you are a fucking retard!

LOL

[Anonymous Coward]

Where were they when Hillarious was doing this, and worse?

Oh, right.

How to get Trump impeached

[Anonymous Coward]

Hack his Twitter. Write a few tweets about him taking offence at Russia and saying "nukes are in the air as I write this".

Everyone in the world will believe it. Everyone will panic. The markets will crash.

Russia won't respond because their systems won't detect any incoming nukes, but they'll go to defcon 1 obviously.

Everyone who is dating "Hillary did it too" will suddenly realise that having an unsecured email server that governments might be able to read, is quite different from a Twitter account that can be used to *send* messages from.

Re: How to get Trump impeached

[Anonymous Coward]

S/dating/saying/

Prove it

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't give us the same ole fake claims about Okeefe, give us proof he lied. Proof means that the claim has not been debunked. Like him releasing the whole Planned Parent hood video because leftists claimed he edited the video for agenda instead of time. You idiots on the left still hold that claim even after it was debunked. Just like Hillary didn't have classified mail on her illegal server to you assholes. Yet the FBI stated that there were tens of thousands including Special Access documents. That was what they found _after_ Clinton had someone attempt to wipe the server too, so there were potentially more.

You communist leftists are sickening in your clutching to fantasy and ignoring facts. If you are not one of those smart enough to realize the agenda, you are a useful idiot. Grats on being mentally deficient.

Re:Prove it

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh fuck of back to 4chan you useless RWNJ fat cunt.

Re:Prove it

[Anonymous Coward]

In other words, you are liar and have no proof. No, I'm not surprised at all.

Re:Prove it

[Anonymous Coward]

you are a faggot

Now the United States is both.

[mmell]

From what I can gather, so is Russia!

Bull*F&%kingShit

[Anonymous Coward]

Most of us want the DOJ to prosecute like they should have under Obama. Trump dropping the issue may not mean that the FBI and DOJ have, but Trump does not have all of his people in place yet. We didn't forget, you just made _another_ false claim.

Like the claim that Trump has made security breaches. Absolutely false. There is at least one person committing crimes and leaking things, but that is not Trump. Moron.

Why?

[Anonymous Coward]

Why does slashdot have a "story" about whiny democrats without any facts about the phone?

Re:Why?

[mmell]

No facts about the phone - will this do?

No, seriously, read it. You'll love it - it's got golden showers in it.

Re:Why?

[dbIII]

No, I'm waiting for the stuff about the kiddie fucking cocaine parties associated with his teen beauty contests comes out. I think we'll have to wait until after he is dead.
A bit of urine from consenting adults is one thing, kiddie fucking with his friend Epstein (now in prison - maybe if he wasn't so stupid as to send roses to a student at her high school he wouldn't be inside) is many times worse.
There are thousands of reasons to reject Trump without considering watching streams of slavic urine (or even the far more disturbing kiddie fucking claims).

Mango Mussolini

[Ron Goodman]

It's hard to imagine a foreign power doing more damage with that idiot's Twitter account than he does himself.

True That

[Anonymous Coward]

You had to have a healtcare industry sized budget to buy legislation from Obama.

Good

[TheDarkener]

Someone will finally be able to get real-world evidence for impeachment via his phone. The guy is a tool, has no clue what he's doing.

Coming from you, that's really a compliment!

[mmell]

I must be doing something right. Hey, am I going to be on the alt-news? You know, alternative facts for the alt-right?

But seriously - I wouldn't want the job of checking out POTUS's private twitter-post server. I'll bet it's all sticky, and frankly while it's possible to see and learn things you can't unsee or unlearn them.

BS

[Anonymous Coward]

Jan 19 - NYT - "he has traded in his Android phone for a secure, encrypted device approved by the Secret Service"
Jan 19 - Associated Press - "On Thursday, he told a friend that he had given up his phone, as security agencies had urged him to do."

This is just more Democrats throwing crap hoping that the sheep that follow them eat it up. They don't have to be right. They just have to make enough stink by throwing enough $#!! to make him look bad.

libtards

[Anonymous Coward]

laughing at all the snowflakes comments here. You people really should have a positive outlook on life...you poor cucks.

Re:libtards

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm guessing El Idiot Troll didn't realise that their approach of "lie back and take it" is contradictory given the insult. What an oxymoron.

So let me get this straight . . .

[mmell]

When Barak H. Obama kept classified information secure, that was bad. When Hilary R. Clinton set up and used a private email server, that was tantamount to treason. When Donald J. Trump knowingly and intentionally ignores basic security precautions and uses an old Android phone to tweet any random thought inspired by breitbart and infowars, that's transparency.

Well, I guess your handle says it all.

Speaking of Trump and security . . .

Re:So let me get this straight . . .

[Highdude702]

I may be high, but you're stupid enough to confuse classified information with social media.

Re: So let me get this straight . . .

[mmell]

Indeed. At least I'm not blindly loyal to a man-child who believes himself smarter and better informed than our nation's intelligence personnel - or have your drugs left you delusional enough to believe that Trump is right and everyone in both the CIA and the NSA are wrong? Or perhaps your fanaticism is a symptom of a deeper problem. Drug induced psychosis, maybe?

What Would They Find On There?

[Greyfox]

I'm guessing the entire memory card will be full of presidential penis pics and sexual text messages to young Russian models.

Trumps Android Phone

[dontgetshocked]

Since there is no such thing as a secure phone anyways, it does not make a whole lot of difference. I'm sure the president is aware of the issues and does not use it for government business, I mean come on!

Yes, clearly you agree with Trump on this.

[mmell]

Fortunately, there are a great many of us here in the United States who remain ready, willing and able to do whatever it takes to prevent people such as yourself from doing that. We've tried the soap box. We've tried the ballot box. We've tried the jury box.

Be seeing you!

Re:Yes, clearly you agree with Trump on this.

[Anonymous Coward]

We've tried the soap box. We've tried the ballot box. We've tried the jury box.

Be seeing you!

But WE have the guns and ammo, hoplophobes!

We'll be "seeing you" as a target-picture in our gun sights if you try to go violent and all 'viva revolution'.

To quote the rock band AC/DC, "If you want blood, you've got it!"

Re: Yes, clearly you agree with Trump on this.

[mmell]

Yes, but you're cowards. It says so right in your handle, Anonymous Coward.

No, he's not. And that's a problem.

[Brannon]

Sincerely, the American people

Clinton stopped doing it and apologized.

[Brannon]

Your move, Coward.

Re:Clinton stopped doing it and apologized.

[Anonymous Coward]

Again, for emphasis: Your rah-rah-my-team bullshit is fucking up our world.

It's safe to say

[Anonymous Coward]

Everyone posting here is a fucking idiot. Your opinions aren't facts and most opinions posted here stray so far from the facts they were based on they invalidate themselves.

Now all of you shut the fuck up and get back to your god damned nerd shit.

So..

[Anonymous Coward]

What you are really trying to say is that you are not a Republican, but a leftist trying to disguise yourself like the other RINOs.

Re:So..

[Anonymous Coward]

Or, you know, he's from the line of intelligent Republicans like Goldwater that were shitting on Reagan for the short-sightedness of courting the fundies that eventually allowed the ignorance within the party to reach critical mass to the point that you gaggots screamed loud enough to be in charge.

It's all good, because like the Paultards and Tea Party donkeys before you, your influence will be short lived.

How could you possibly care?

[CrimsonAvenger]

Wow! He's tweeting with an unsecured phone!!!

I'll bet there's no way in hell he's managing to keep those tweets secret!

And this ignoring that based on the number of tweets he's making, he's not even making most of the tweets ascribed to him.

In any case, when there's some reason to suspect he's using an unsecured phone to talk to people about classified information, then it'll be time to get excited.

Note, by the by, that you're not talking to the unclassified world with your secure government phone. That one is just for talking to the OTHER secure government phones, not to your hairdresser....

Requesting GPS coordinates ( Score: +5, Funly )

[Anonymous Coward]

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How stupid is he really?

[kosmosik]

This guy is POTUS. Lots of people would like to kill him. His unsecured phone can reveal his location when - for example - he travels through not so nice countries. Is he so stupid not to understand that this phone basically targets him? When he uses secret service issued phone he can be at least sure that some guy in AT&T (or whatever he is using for his private phone) won't give up his location or other data for small sum of money?

Re:How stupid is he really?

[Anonymous Coward]

Wow you are completely right! I'm glad the smart people here on ./ have realized this. We should let the government know ASAP! The Secret Service will be so glad that you pointed this out to them because I am sure the thought never occurred to them. Wow that was a close call. Whew!

Better alternatives are out there

[Anonymous Coward]

Sorry forgot my account details. There are a few good alternatives.. even Samsung KNOX would be better than what they have today. The most promising looks like what is coming out of Cog Systems.

https://cog.systems/htc-secured-by-d4/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Black
https://seap.samsung.com/solution-brief/56622c104977c1b85f62353e

Give it up BeauHD

[bongey]

BeauHD cannot just stop posting shit posts about Trump on a tech site.

Re:Give it up BeauHD

[unixisc]

Yeah, that's what /. has come to. Too bad this current politburo of editors can't be fired

Where are you all now?

[dbIII]

So, all those "but Hillary uses email - lock her up" folks, where are you now? What do you think of this situation?
Silence?
There's been so much partisan political bullshit in this place pretending to be about online security but really nothing of the sort.

Content an issue, location not

[dbIII]

He's pretty stupid but that doesn't matter in the case of location. I doubt this is going to ever reveal his location since he goes around with an entourage bigger than Royalty which would make him trivial to find by conventional methods.

Re:Content an issue, location not

[kosmosik]

I didn't mean normal travel - his location is obvious then. I mean situations like transfers from military airport to hotel enclave or similar. Usualy there are procedures in place so nobody really knows what route will his limo take. Sometimes there are decoy limos etc. Having a hacked phone in his pocket makes him an easy target if somebody wishes to... I bet Russians and Chinese are sitting on his phone already.

Clinton wasnt bashed because she had private email

[Jarwulf]

She was bashed because she was using it to conduct top secret business and high level dealings. If you're going to raise the argument at least get it correct. This place is turning back into another DU.

This all stems from one sentence in the NYT

[Anonymous Coward]

This whole controversy stems from one/two lines in a NYT article that says he had a phone his some of his (aides) didn't want him to. We really don't know anything beyond that but continue on losing your minds over it.

It is all obama's fault...

[TiggertheMad]

yup - and after 8 years of Obama we have more racial tension than ever before, more blacks hating cops, Iran getting payoffs....the national debt DOUBLING...

In the last 8 years, vast numbers of stupid people felt empowered to express their poorly though out world views on the Internet.

Thanks Obama.

Except for those arrests for conspiracy...

[Xenographic]

> It'd start by realizing that you don't have proof of a conspiracy or anything.

Except for those arrest records from the DC Metropolitan Police Department for Conspiracy to Commit an Assault -

Friday, January 20, 2017

The Metropolitan Police Department announced an arrest has been made in a Conspiracy to Commit an Assault offense that occurred in the 500 block of 14th Street, Northwest. After a thorough investigation, it was determined that several individuals made plans to disrupt inauguration activities in an unlawful way.

Source

Re: Except for those arrests for conspiracy...

[Anonymous Coward]

Nope, sorry, the DC police have been ,known make false arrests.

Y'know, instead of Chicago, maybe Trump should tell Congress to fix the actual city under the jurisdiction.

Re: Except for those arrests for conspiracy...

[Xenographic]

Every jurisdiction has stuff like that on occasion. Come back to me if they win *this* lawsuit.

Re: Except for those arrests for conspiracy...

[Anonymous Coward]

Every jurisdiction has stuff like that on occasion.

Yes, that's why I had quite a diversity of examples for the written confessions earlier, which is why they're very much unpersuasive.

Perhaps you forgot about that? That's probably the issue then, you forget why the police aren't winning the hearts and minds of America.

And they have themselves to blame.

Come back to me if they win *this* lawsuit.

You're the one who wants me to believe something.

But...it may take years before a matter is resolved.

So you'll pardon me, but nope, you're not offering sufficient argument.

Then again, that's why I said earlier, that James O'Keefe is the worst thing for the Conservatives, even IF he by chance, captured an actual homicide on tape, people would believe it to be faked.

Re: Except for those arrests for conspiracy...

[Xenographic]

None of those are relevant to *this* case. All you're saying is that sometimes people lie, so you won't believe anything unless you want to.

And for the record, I don't expect to convince you of anything. You're literally incapable of agreeing with me on that issue no matter what.

New test for leftist freakouts

[Anonymous Coward]

Did you have this same concern and lodge the same complaints when Obama waspresident and Hillary was SecState?

If a person was panicked about Hillary's insecure secret server and demanding hearings etc then that person should be listened to now about Trump's phone.

If a person, like this current scoundrel, was fine with the Hillary server and only whacked-out now about Trump, then disregard as a partisan hack.

Likewise, if a person was freaked out by Hillary's server and is then silent when Trump puts highly classified info at risk on a secret server then that person is a partisan hack to be ignored.

In this case, Trump's Twittering is totally public - it could not be more blatantly public if he was blowing on an actual trombone. There's no risk to national security here if the guy is using an insecure android to do Twitter. Move along. Anybody pretending to be outraged is really still just angry that Trump has been so effective with Twitter. Notice: All the people who want Trump off of Twitter are people who lost to him (Democrats, "Never Trump" Republicans, and Journalists who were in the tank for Hillary)

Re:New test for leftist freakouts

[Anonymous Coward]

fucktard!

I am as insecure as POTUS's phone....

[TiggertheMad]

Because I'm sure that's the only device he has with him ever, and never does he have an aide standing by that holds onto whatever phone the Government issued him.

You mouth breathing moron, do you realize that that the phone is a huge security risk without him ever making a single call on it? If it is an unsecured phone, it could very well be broadcasting POTUS's GPS coordinates constantly. This would give his exact position at all times away to anyone with hostile intent. Further, smartphones have microphones in them. If you root the phone, you could possibly listen in to conversations happening in the same room. What harm could occur if 'bad guys' (Trump's words) could start listening in on POTUS's confidential conversations? And who knows, Trump might just disregard the Secret Service instructions and use the phone sensitive calls. He seems to have established a track record for making poor judgements.

Yes, it is a very good use of elected officials time to make sure that a POTUS who wants to be a loose cannon is not allowed to jeopardize the safety of America.

Re:I am as insecure as POTUS's phone....

[Anonymous Coward]

You do know that there are guys in the employ of the government that are already experts on this kind of thing, right? And that they aren't members of Congress?

What possible procedures and counterintelligence devices could take care of this problem, do you think? And, perhaps, might they already be installed in secure rooms where they talk about such secure information? Because clearly a fucking Samsung phone is the first electronic eavesdropping device ever invented.

Are you fucking high? Here's an idea - when you walk into the situation room where they conduct top secret meetings on a daily basis, you leave your phone with the god damn United States Marine sitting outside the door. And I'm sure the room isn't basically a faraday cage to stop any wireless signal from getting out. And I'm sure they don't have white noise generators.

Jesus fucking christ on a crutch. This shit was all available in the 1970s. Who's a mouth breathing moron again?

My point of view

[Blogdechollos]

I usually use Xiaomi Smartphone, maybe I must switch to another one, I will take a look on any blog de ofertas from arround...

Re:My point of view

[Blogdechollos]

I mean this blog de ofertas

not really

[Anonymous Coward]

Clinton ran an illegal pay-for-play slush fund out of the state dept. - a dept. still ridden with corruption and partly undrained to this day.
There's nothing illegal about what Trump is doing. Enjoy pushing the CNN-sponsored smear though.

Please hack his phone

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm really hoping that someone is trying to hack his phone and his Twitter account and they succeed. Someone needs to learn a lesson here.

The thought had crossed my mind

[rsilvergun]

but it's kind of a juvenile and derogatory term. It's also one of those terms that's been used too often to exaggerate lunatic conspiracy theories (kinda like "Study it out!").

That's one of the biggest problems we have. When there is an actual conspiracy (e.g. more than one person getting together to do something bad) nobody believes you because of decades of denigrated crackpots. So when you point out that the Tea Party was a conspiracy of wealthy business men to trick people into unquestionably supporting tax cuts it doesn't matter if you've got evidence or not or if a 5 minute google search would prove your point. You've already been lumped into the same boat as JFK nutters and Alien abductees.