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Former Engineer Says Uber Is a Nightmare of Sexism; CEO Orders Urgent Investigation (susanjfowler.com)
An anonymous reader shares a report on The Verge: A former Uber engineer has published an explosive account of sexism and power struggles in the workplace, with allegations beginning from her very first official day with the company. The engineer, Susan Fowler (who left Uber in December and now works for Stripe), posted the account to her blog on Sunday, calling it a "strange, fascinating, and slightly horrifying story." It is indeed horrifying. Sexism is a well-documented problem in Silicon Valley, but the particulars of Fowler's account are astounding. She says problems began on day one, when her manager accosted her with details of his sex life: "In my first official day rotating on the team, my new manager sent me a string of messages over company chat. He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR. When I reported the situation, I was told by both HR and upper management that even though this was clearly sexual harassment and he was propositioning me, it was this man's first offense, and that they wouldn't feel comfortable giving him anything other than a warning and a stern talking-to. Upper management told me that he "was a high performer" (i.e. had stellar performance reviews from his superiors) and they wouldn't feel comfortable punishing him for what was probably just an innocent mistake on his part. The things only get worse for Fowler. Read the full account of her story here. In the meanwhile, Uber CEO Travis Kalanick said the company would "conduct an urgent investigation" into the allegations, and promised to fire anyone who "behaves this way or thinks this is OK."
Journalist Paul Carr summing up the situation, says, "Uber's ability to be on the wrong side of every moral and ethical issue is bordering on magical."
Journalist Paul Carr summing up the situation, says, "Uber's ability to be on the wrong side of every moral and ethical issue is bordering on magical."
As much as Slashdot likes to believe that sexism is imaginary, this behavior is pretty common in tech. Frankly, I've seen worse.
Most female employees know that crying sexism will bring the authorities running and catch the media's attention. It's really a shame that a small number of them take advantage of this and absuse the system. My guess is this person lost their job for performance of incontinence reasons and is trying to create a shitstorm in order to extract revenge. We need to make sure that when the system is abused, the abusers pay a heavy cost.
From her piece, Fowler indicates that the percentage of women working in her unit dropped from 25% to 3% within a year. That's a fairly simple thing to check and lends a fair amount of weight to her criticisms.
If you read the article you'll learn that HR lied about this being the first offense. It was just one of many.
Did you read the rest of the article which makes clear that this was not, in fact, this guys first offense?
If you read just a smidge further in TFA, you'll see that in discussions with other female coworkers, she discovered that he had propositioned them as well, and also been told by HR that it was his first offense when they complained. How many "first offenses" is this guy good for?
How quickly people jump to the guy's defence.
Those who do not learn from commit history are doomed to regress it.
Wrong. The boss is in a position of power. Asking a subordinate for sex is a power play and by its nature harassment, even more so on the first day on the job. She was right to contact HR. Especially after she later discovered this wasn't his first offense.
Perhaps it is the HR manager that should be fired.
Wait until you're a salesman competing for an account against a saleswoman. It's an aspect I never see printed, yet everyone knows it exists.
...My guess is this person lost their job for performance of incontinence reasons and is trying to create a shitstorm in order to extract revenge...
So I'm guessing she won't succeed given her history.
Well that means that the summary didn't summarize - it changed the message.
Any sane company would fire this guy immediately. Uber is liable for not getting rid of him. Hope this woman sues the shit out of them.
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accused by one of those persons that shout sexism!, racism!, bigotry! around fifty-eleven times a day.
Do you have any evidence that this is true, or do you just enjoy slandering people for fun?
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Oh, silly AC. Any boss asking any subordinate to fuck them is harassment.
I don't respond to AC's.
True, although apparently TFS doesn't mention that this wasn't his first offense and he's like this all the damn time, so HR lied. First mistake, you learn; second mistake, you fucked up twice the same way.
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Would you advocate the same punishment if it was female looking for sex I wonder?
Yes, I would. Immediate firing, no questions asked. Completely unacceptable, and if a person doesn't know that, that's just as good reason for letting that person go. Somebody with such poor decision making skills is a liability in many ways.
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You and the morons who modded you up need to RTFA. Here, I'l bold the important parts so you don't have to work so hard.
Over the next few months, I began to meet more women engineers in the company. As I got to know them, and heard their stories, I was surprised that some of them had stories similar to my own. Some of the women even had stories about reporting the exact same manager I had reported, and had reported inappropriate interactions with him long before I had even joined the company. It became obvious that both HR and management had been lying about this being "his first offense", and it certainly wasn't his last. Within a few months, he was reported once again for inappropriate behavior, and those who reported him were told it was still his "first offense".
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"Former" engineer - tells you all you need to know.
That tells us everything we need to know about your thinking ability.
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You did not read the article, did you?
It wasn't his first offence, although HR lied about this, claiming that it was.
He didn't knock it off. Also, her career at the company was affected because she made the report.
What he did should have resulted in an instant dismissal. Retaliation should have resulted in dismissals. Covering up the prior acts by the man should have resulted in dismissals in HR.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
Says right there in the mantra: *What the market will bear* Abuse, violence, cheating, lying... If the market will bear it, what's the problem? It's all perfectly good if the government stays out of it, amirite?
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I know, right? Communism never led to any abuses ever! Neither did theocracies, anarchy, or monarchies!
No, she did the correct thing by going to HR right away.
It is better to make it known immediately that you will not put up with that kind of garbage. Putting up with it increases the power he will have over you, and can make it more difficult to get him to stop. It's the "show no weakness" rule.
There is no reason not to expect professionalism, even from your boss. If you can't get it, then move on to a more professional setting asap. It's better to leave because unprofessional work places can instill bad habits, expectations and reputations that will follow you around.
He was in an open relationship, he said, and his girlfriend was having an easy time finding new partners but he wasn't. He was trying to stay out of trouble at work, he said, but he couldn't help getting in trouble, because he was looking for women to have sex with. It was clear that he was trying to get me to have sex with him, and it was so clearly out of line that I immediately took screenshots of these chat messages and reported him to HR.
No fucking way. This has got to be some kind of alt-right/4chan/cuck joke parody, right? Woman convinces beta male to have "open relationship" so she can fuck alphas on the side, SHOCKING beta with no game can't score, harasses actually capable women and helps ruin otherwise successful company.
"Sluts and cucks ruin everything for everyone." This has to be a joke, right?
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Note that sexism was a *small* part of the situation described. What amazes me was the continued desire to work for a company because of the 'great engineers'.
The reality is you can find a *good* company that also has great engineers. Other companies also face interesting challenges that are worthy of your time. I've seen people fall into this trap of toiling under crappy management because 'their team is so great'. The problem is that crappy management gets all the benefits of your awesome teams work (in fact, in crappy management, the management gets nearly *all* the glory and your 'awesome engineers' are the first under the bus when good times are over, after months on end of 60+ hour workweeks, where the management is only around for part of maybe 3 days a week. You need to find a company that has both a great team *and* good management.
If it had been an isolated incident with one manager, and switching teams fixed it, but she reports a pattern of management dysfunction that seems pervasive, at least to wherever she could go. Now it *might* be the case that her perspective by itself is skewed, but in her view of things, it was a terrible situation and she stayed *way* longer than anyone should have.
XML is like violence. If it doesn't solve the problem, use more.
The problem was his wife. When she wanted an "open relationship" so she could fuck other guys he should have said "DROPPED" and found a faithful woman. Instead he said "okay..." and then went begging for sex from every other woman he encountered.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
We're living in a zero-tolerance punitive culture now. It's a substitute for have to actually think about offenders and weigh crime vs. punishment. You are either Good or Evil, and your sentence must reflect this.
Ah, the old predictable "no true communism" argument. It's always hard to tell if the person advancing that claim is a shameless liar or an utter moron.
Why didn't you note that true capitalism has never been faithfully tried, either?
It really does boggle my mind that people haven't figured out that the whole system of capitalism might as well be designed to create opportunities for abuse.
It boggles my mind that people haven't figured out capitalism is the only system that introduces voluntary behavior such that one even has a hope of avoiding abuse. At least in a capitalist system when you're harassed you can quit, and inform others, and the business suffers. There's some kind of financial incentive to avoid tolerating harassment. Propensity for abuse is inherent to humanity, not the economic system.
What happens when you're sexually harassed by your commie party official? Better put out or it's gulag for you, comrade.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
Considering it happened several times before, this time absolutely.
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Even if it was his first offence, at the very least they need to move him or move her with no negative consequences because, as their own HR department pointed out, her first review by him is very likely to be negative.
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SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
No, because there's nothing in TFA that suggests what you're suggesting. Are you perhaps confused, and reading a different article?
I don't respond to AC's.
Wrong. Sexual harassment is an UNWANTED advance. If the advance is welcome, it's not sexual harassment.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
And it appears that Uber is investigating said allegation. We don't have enough information to know whether it happened or not. That's what investigations are for.
After the Duke Lacross Lynching and the UVA rape hoax, I'm inclined to reserve judgement until an accusation becomes a lawsuit and is litigated.
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The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
Why exactly would you expect to see sexism or racism that is not directed at you?
The author of the article was being harassed through text messaging. Unless you are the recipient of those messages you have zero idea what's going on.
Week after week, Uber shows that it doesn't give a shit about its employees (or, as they claim, their independant drivers).
Why would Uber management give a shit about this poor woman? Why do people accept to work for Uber, given the constant reminders that Uber doesn't respect any rule, nor anyone?
I'm white. Behind the black guy's back, the shit I hear. I even had a supervisor try to get me to blame a bad defect on him - that I caused. I couldn't do it. I couldn't live with myself and in a World where a smart hard working guy gets blamed for shit he didn't do just because he was born with a certain skin color in the wrong society.
The fucker knew he was doing wrong too. And what could I really do? Bitch to HR? Remember folks, HR works FOR management. Remember that. They are NOT your friends and they are NOT there to protect you but to protect management.
So far, it has happened only once in my career. But never the less, bigoted shit like this happens and not everyone -including the victim - may be aware of it.
She says she has screen shots. Please stop yelling inanities.
I don't respond to AC's.
Considering that every scandal posted here during the last few years about sexism and harassment in the CS field turned out to be massively exaggerated at best and flat out fabricated at worst, I am going to ask for a little more evidence than personal statements in a blog.
Not to mention that SV is already a SJW-infested Marxist hellhole which reduces the probability for such stud-like behaviour considerably already. (Not it does not mean it cannot happen, just that it is less likely than it happening on a cattle ranch in Texas for example)
But is this "in the CS field"? It's a manager at a Taxi company that has an app. Other than the woman engineer, nothing about this is CS in any way.
This story proves you wrong. The guy who propositioned her has done it many times before, and many times since, with zero consequences. Apparently he was too valuable to the company, or they just didn't care.
The other comments also prove you wrong. People are making nuanced arguments, suggesting that merely politely asking for a date once is not a problem, for example. The world is clearly not as polarized as you think.
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
After actually reading the story and finding out the one time thing line is a lie I'd be inclined to agree.
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I think the headline and summary gives a wrong impression. Sure, sexual harassment is tolerated but the wider picture the writing paints is about dysfunctional organisation. Specifically:
The amount of Anonymous Cowards posting the same couple lines makes it obvious. This thread is being astroturfed.
Women are making more money than men for the same job and same amount of work today, especially in cities. Stop reading a bogus 30 year old paper crafted for a narrative and check current reports. or This or This or This and of course This Interestingly most of these are LEFT leaning sites, not Right/Conservative.
PolitiFact has given you the nuts and bolts about the 77 cents statistic -- you can read the two most important works in this area here and here. Basically, there is a wage gap, but it tends to disappear when you compare women and men in the exact same jobs who have the same levels of experience and education. (emphasis mine)
Just like 60% of all College students are women, 56% of all College graduates with advanced degrees are women. Yet we continue to hear that we need more women in college.
I'm an egalitarian, not a MRA. I also happen to believe in Socrates' definition of Philosopher, who must seek truth even at their own peril. Sadly the left avoids all truth and distorts everything they can for division and agenda.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
That doesn't seem unreasonable, but in this case the her immediate superior opened on day 1 with "I'm in an open relationship, please have sex with me". Later she finds out that HR is basically encouraging him by taking no action against a "high flyer", which explains why he (correctly) thinks he can get away with it.
Allegedly.
After Ellen Pao, UNLV, Duke LaCrosse, and countless false police reports (resulting in legal action) about discrimination I'm waiting for evidence. Chat logs, screen shots, and email logs should be enough to prove the case. TFA reports no such evidence.
Innocence until proven guilty should have meaning to all Americans, but seems like many are fine prosecuting without evidence let alone proof.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I agree with the people on here saying we need more evidence that one person writing a blog about their side of the story to know what REALLY took place. But that's a whole lot of writing just to make up a fictional tale of how sexist things are at Uber. I'm inclined to believe it's probably at least generally true.
But assuming it's factual? Why put up with all of that for a year and then write a blog about how you were wronged? If you really did the right thing, saving all of the chats and email conversations -- the obvious next step is a lawsuit.
I *hate* dealing with attorneys and their shady billing practices ... but if there was ever a time to deal with them, I think *this* would be it! You're making accusations that H.R. staff broke the law multiple times in handling your complaints, and you were blocked from a promotion by someone going in and modifying a FINAL performance review (without even telling you it would be changed first). I see a whole lot of "sexual harassment" complaints that are largely baseless "he said, she said" garbage. (I used to work for a firm where one of the I.T. guys bought some flowers for the front office receptionist after she was out sick for a while. The card with them was your basic "Get Well Soon" message. She ran to H.R. and filed a complaint against him. THAT is the kind of stuff that's NOT a valid complaint. That's how you ruin things for nice guys and encourage an office environment where nobody gives a crap about each other.) But this story sounds like, especially in the state of California, you've got the law clearly on your side.
I see an allegation with no facts. Anyone working in IT understands how to make a screenshot, if not how to log a chat session. Yet no evidence is presented, and what would the easiest thing be for this person to do? Save evidence, because sexual harassment is ILLEGAL.
Your claim (repeated) that you have to be the victim to see sexual harassment on the scale she is claiming is moronic. It would be visible to at least everyone on that team. There would be more than one claim from more than one person if it was that rampant. In the event it was just her and she over-hyped the scale, she could have this thing called evidence. Yet there is no evidence, just allegations. I'll wait for the court case, and would be willing to bet a paycheck that no evidence is forthcoming.
Sorry, but there are no groups of dudes hanging around conspiring on how to fuck over, and fuck, women in the company. Quite the opposite, since the virtue signalling SJWs are rampant in SF and would have busted the boss to make a name for themselves.
You clearly didn't RTFA. She has extensive email and chat records to back up her claims. Yes, I am taking her word for it. But if you are accusing her of lying about it, it is you who need to provide evidence.
And yes, there actually are groups of dudes conspiring how to fuck women at the company. Not at every company of course. But I have seen such things at jobs I have had.
"What the American public doesn't know is what makes them the American public." -Ray Zalinsky (Tommy Boy)
The older companies have been there and done that already. Previous incidents have honed policies about such behavior in the workplace to a fine edge.
As a result, your older companies make sure you understand they will not tolerate it. At all. Annual reviews and signed acknowledgements of said training with the threat of termination of employment for any violations pretty much keep folks civil.
It's just a matter of the new ones getting a taste of what happens when you don't have clear policies on the issue.
Watch for a zero tolerance policy to be born rather quickly ( as it should ) now that there is a spotlight on it. Will be a non-issue shortly as they will likely fire the guy in question if the allegations turn out to be true.
The problem was his wife. When she wanted an "open relationship" so she could fuck other guys he should have said "DROPPED" and found a faithful woman. Instead he said "okay..." and then went begging for sex from every other woman he encountered.
Girlfriend, not wife. My bet is that he's a sugar daddy & sub to some young thing that won't let him into her panties but gets him all worked up telling him about all the amazing sex she's having with other men.
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I see an allegation with no facts. Anyone working in IT understands how to make a screenshot, if not how to log a chat session. Yet no evidence is presented, and what would the easiest thing be for this person to do? Save evidence, because sexual harassment is ILLEGAL.
The article mentions that she does indeed have that evidence. Why does she not present this evidence? Probably because to do so might be illegal. I believe she has the legal right to retain that documentation for the sole purpose of legal action (as either defendant or complainant) and no right to publish it (as it is technically copyright of Uber as she was work-for-hire at the time).
If she was lying, Uber would most likely sue her for defamation/libel/slander in short order, and she would get burned because she wouldn't have the long trail of evidence that she mentioned in the article.
Your claim (repeated) that you have to be the victim to see sexual harassment on the scale she is claiming is moronic. It would be visible to at least everyone on that team. There would be more than one claim from more than one person if it was that rampant.
She explicitly states that there was, and that she had talked to several coworkers who had experienced it.
Sorry, but there are no groups of dudes hanging around conspiring on how to fuck over, and fuck, women in the company.
It doesn't have to be a conspiracy -- negative attitudes aren't conscious.
Quite the opposite, since the virtue signalling SJWs are rampant in SF and would have busted the boss to make a name for themselves.
For example: you're sexist, but you think you're not, because you think it's all "SJWs", rather than people who have been genuinely mistreated. In this case, the woman gives a very detailed account, directly referring to matters on company record. Within an hour of picking up the phone, Uber's legal team would have had enough information to know whether this was credible or not. As Uber's official response was "conducting an internal investigation" rather than "completely baseless", I don't believe her claims can be easily dismissed at this point. And yet you believe you are taking a rational approach, even though you are disregarding the facts at hand -- attitude, not conspiracy.
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The legal consequences of sex discrimination and harassment in the workplace are so serious that it is unbelievable that HR would not have taken more decisive action.
That logic would only hold up if no company had ever lost a really bad lawsuit over such things. Since they have it shows that serious consequnces are not always serious enough for HR to take action.
Given that neither Fowler nor the many other women she says have been harassed have sued over sex discrimination and instead chose to attack the company on her blog
Proof by non-lawsuit. Few people (myself included---and I've been in the position to) are inclined to sue over employment matters. Especially people who can easily get a good job elsewhere.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
You think this sort of behaviour happened before? Then, for the good of humanity, can you share the secret to faster-than-light travel because you clearly hail from a different planet.
No I'm saying we had many, many cultural mores to prevent this kind of shit from happening. Just off the top of my head we had:
1. Preferences against women (of any quality) in the workplace.
2. Preferences against casual intercourse.
3. Preferences against unmarried men and women being alone together.
4. Shame in being involved in a non-monogamous relationship.
5. Incredible shame in having people know about your involvement in an non-monogamous relationship.
Of the 5 rules I listed, are there any that you like or agree with? We have cultural rules like this in place because otherwise a not insignificant number of men will act like the man in the article. You knock out every cultural safeguard to prevent this kind of behavior and then you're shocked when this behavior occurs because the guy didn't care about the one rule you do care about.
Is there something special about the 1950s which makes them some sort of high point?
Men and women were happier then. That was before feminism ruined both and "freed" women from being chained to the stove so they could be chained to the call center desk instead.
We don't have a state-run media we have a media-run state.
I'm not saying it happened, I'm just saying that if Uber aren't denying it yet, I can't see any justification for dismissing the whole thing just because she doesn't print the evidence in public.
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Doctors does not assume "medical doctor", but if you had bothered to read the link you would see that 70.8% of Medical Doctors Degrees are earned by women.68.9% are Education,etc... READ THE DAMN FACTS!
Your complaint is that women are not choosing to go into CS, Physical Sciences, or Engineering. I thought you were pro woman you bigoted simpleton! Nobody is forcing women into a specific career field. People like you are attempting to force them into it.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Why exactly would you expect to see sexism or racism that is not directed at you?
Because complaints would be directed through me. I work in a tech company, and over the years, I have dealt with about a dozen complaints. The thing is, they were never about the engineers, programmers, or other nerds. They were always about the salesmen, the marketing dept, or the warehouse crew. I am sure some nerds are misogynistic jerks, but I don't think that is common, and I believe it is actually less prevalent than in most other professions. My experience is that most nerds are welcoming to female co-workers, and judge them by their ability, not their gender. Ms Fowler's description of her experience at Uber sounds terrible, but I don't think Uber is typical of tech companies or representative of "nerd culture". She also describes a lot of backstabbing and chaos at Uber that have nothing to do with sexism, so it sounds like a very dysfunctional company on many levels.
She made s specific claim with regards to the *fact* she was harassed on her first day, and it was reported to HR her first day. If that fact-based claim is a lie, Uber should sue her. That they aren't, and haven't responded, is evidence that they don't object to her facts. Yes, silence is an admission of guilt (except in court). In fact, Uber has made confirming statements, where they are concerned. And they have explicitly not questioned the factual claims made.
And complaints bout SJWs seem to exceed the number of SJWs. Try facts, rather than yous snowflake tantrums.
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It's obvious you're a troll: nobody on Slashdot really believes that people who are wronged can sue for damages and actually come out ahead. Otherwise they wouldn't get so orgasmically indignant over civil forfeiture cases. However it certainly makes for a nice scapegoat so you can blame a woman for taking any action when no action is good enough in your eyes.
"She's putting it on a blog? If she had proof she would sue."
"She's suing? She's just looking for a payout instead of getting a real job."
"She's closing her twitter account because she's getting death threats/bomb threats/SWAT teams being sent to her house by people who think getting her killed by -militarized police in a fake 911 call is a hilarious joke? She must have been lying or she wouldn't have given up so easily."
Lawsuits are long, expensive, and are as likely to result in a payout as winning the lottery. Usually you settle, the company admits no wrongdoing, you go home with a paltry sum, and the lawyers make out like bandits. At the same time, you're out of a job, burning through cash for legal fees and being yelled at by dipshits on slashdot. Assuming I can engage you in good faith (which I can't, but it's a laugh) you need to get your head out of your ass if you think the legal system will ever, ever make a habit of favoring the underdog even with overwhelming evidence of wrongdoing by the rich and powerful.
Haha! You are funny! Romney and McCain are not a Conservatives, they are RINOs.
I already asked you: How many Republicans will you declare persona non grata in your refusal to admit you are repeating lies, and to be honest, declaring them to be politically incorrect in a more original [wikipedia.org] sense of the phrase?
Because it really takes some chutzpah to say that your last 3 nominees are RINOs. And their VPs.
They're just not politically correct enough for you.
Using Politifact, an extremely left wing organization, to debunk my claim is just sad.
Denying that Politifact, has shown the lack of truth in the statements of a a number of Republican leaders is pretty sad...but not uncommon, Trump actually lies about fact-checkers too.
Funny though, that the Mitch McConnell link yields mostly trues.
Oh that's even sadder. You're trying to use Politifact for a comparative analysis, which would require them to be a comprehensive examiner, a standard which would be rather hard to establish. I merely offered the evidence of untruthfulness among the right, yet refrained from what you now want to say.
Some philosopher you are.
I'd honestly have to fact check your fact checker, because as mentioned they are grossly biased and remove context to make political claims.
Oh my, the sadness continues. Not only do you not want to admit to the lies, you want to believe, desperately, that they are false in their fact-checking.
Nope, you are not paying me to be your researcher so won't happen.
You're the one who has to establish your own words, that you so pretentiously claim this excuse only makes you more laughable.
If you want to talk cash, leave contact information.
If you have to be paid to seek the truth, you will tell the truth of the highest bidder.
I don't know anyone on the Right who assumes someone is honest, even on their own team.
That would be back to the questions I asked you earlier:
How many people do you know?
How much do you read of what the right says and does?
Really, you say you don't know anyone.
We have to debate each other as much as we do the left.
Nope. Not really. You swallow all sorts of lies and deceits. You don't even like it when others point them out. Heck, you've gone so far as to disown the last 3 standard-bearers of the right.
Gowdy and Chavez question Republicans just like they do the Dems.
Nope. They have refused to have numerous investigations and inquiries, meanwhile they spend endless hours on Benghazi.
Sorry dude, you really can't keep spreading the bullshit and expecting us to believe it.
Meanwhile, the "Left" is still claiming women make 70c on the dollar.
Nope.. Nuance . exists.
You're tilting at a strawman.
I won't get into their other lies, the list is way too long and not relevant to the conversation.
Don't worry, you've made your partisan bias and hypocrisy relevant. It's really your own fault. You ego made you take a stance, and purport to superiority, but show no willingness to examine your own dirty hands.
I read everything I can get my hands on so that I can argue against the leftists
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A boss making a pass at an subordinate is not sexism. It's a big problem, yes, and it doesn't sound like Uber handled it very well if the woman's account is accurate, but there wasn't any trace of sexism throughout the entire story that I saw (I was skimming) except for the meeting with the HR woman she briefly described at the very end.
The bulk of her story seemed to be just vague conspiratorial stuff, implying her poor performance reviews under another manager on under team was due to the original boss's evil influence which... I don't know, anything's possible, but it doesn't seem like a reasonable default assumption. In the crazed and cutthroat culture she describes, it seems more reasonable to assume it was normal bullshit, not evil anti-woman bullshit.
Oh yeah, and she seemed to think that the company's refusal to order a special feminine version of the special leather jackets they had bought constitutes sexism. Just let that sink in a moment--*not* pandering to arbitrary social conventions that insist a female's jacket has to have a slightly different cut and styling is sexism. Why stop there? Why not insist it's sexism to not give all of the women hot pink keyboard, perhaps spangled with little glittery flowers?
The first step to getting people to take sexism seriously: don't conflate normal (if inappropriate) sexual advances as sexism. That's fucking stupid, and a lot of people will instantly tune you out after they realize that's what you're implying. It's only sexism if there's discrimination involved and, unfortunately for this woman, she's not describing any documented discrimination that I can see. I don't know what I'd tell her except to look up California laws on hidden audio recording, maybe. The HR woman at the very end sounded like she was saying sexist shit, but everyone else, by her own admission, had excuses for her performance evaluations.
Were they bullshit excuses? I'm sure they were. But that's par for the course for performance evaluations in a cutthroat environment; you can't just assume that it's sexism, just because a *former manager on a different team* once made a pass at you.