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WikiLeaks Reveals CIA's Secret Hacking Tools and Spy Operations (betanews.com)

Mark Wilson, writing for BetaNews: WikiLeaks has unleashed a treasure trove of data to the internet, exposing information about the CIA's arsenal of hacking tools. Code-named Vault 7, the first data is due to be released in serialized form, starting off with "Year Zero" as part one. A cache of over 8,500 documents and files has been made available via BitTorrent in an encrypted archive. The plan had been to release the password at 9:00am ET today, but when a scheduled online press conference and stream came "under attack" prior to this, the password was released early. Included in the "extraordinary" release are details of the zero day weapons used by the CIA to exploit iPhones, Android phones, Windows, and even Samsung TVs to listen in on people. Routers, Linux, macOS -- nothing is safe. WikiLeaks explains how the "CIA's hacking division" -- or the Center for Cyber Intelligence (CCI) as it is officially known -- has produced thousands of weaponized pieces of malware, Trojans, viruses and other tools. It's a leak that's essentially Snowden 2.0. In a statement, WikiLeaks said CIA has tools to bypass the encryption mechanisms imposed by popular instant messenger apps Signal, Confide, WhatsApp (used by more than a billion people), and Telegram.

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  1. Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    So while the US president is claiming his phones were tapped we get a great release of information about the hacking tools that would be used to do the tapping. No correlation at all. There is not some mysterious power supporting Trump. Nope, Naha. Pure coincidence.

    1. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by meerling · · Score: 1

      It's just more information on a subject we've known about since before Snoden even did his thing. They've got a spooks tool making malware that would get any of us thrown in jail and use them to abuse everyone and don't like it when companies find out about them and patch the holes. Legality is EXTREMELY questionable. (ianal)

    2. Re: Interesting timing re Trump's claims by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of the phrase "An angry man is an enemy, and a satisfied man is an ally"?

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    3. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Slashvertisment · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As far as I'm aware, nobody has denied that Trumps (not the US president at the time) phones were tapped as part of an investigation into his shady links with Russia. What is remarkable is his sudden claim without any supporting evidence or context that the then Whitehouse ordered a criminal investigation without any of the people responsible for performing the investigation knowing about it. Basically, it's childishly obvious as bullshit. In a burst of supreme hypocrisy, Trump was literally just last week wailing on the press for publishing articles without naming sources or revealing evidence. He has no sense of decency left whatsoever.

    4. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by quonset · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Legality is EXTREMELY questionable. (ianal)

      Obviously. That you think the government, any government, should be prohibited from using tools to monitor/spy/whatever on others would defeat the whole purpose of intelligence gathering. They have to use these means to find out what they don't know. It's their job.

      Do you think Russia isn't doing the same thing? Are you going to whine about them doing this? How about Israel? What excuse will you use to justify them doing this but not the U.S.? How about we go back several thousand years and go after government agents of Egypt or Babylon who were using means at their disposal to do the same thing which would otherwise get citizens in trouble.

      There's a reason people should seek legal help from real attorneys rather than some random stranger on the internet. Your comment clearly shows why this should be heeded.

    5. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The man on your telescreen is unquestionable and no one should suspect that they only do good things and never abuse their powers

    6. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by whoda · · Score: 1

      Israel has tools that make these look like 2nd grade science fair projects.

    7. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by gnick · · Score: 4, Informative

      As far as I'm aware, nobody has denied that Trumps (not the US president at the time) phones were tapped as part of an investigation into his shady links with Russia.

      James Clapper did.
      FTA:

      The director of national intelligence at the time of the US election has denied there was any wire-tapping of Donald Trump or his campaign.
      James Clapper also told NBC that he knew of no court order to allow monitoring of Trump Tower in New York.

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    8. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The question isn't about the spy capabilities. It's about whether these tools are used without logging and review by elected officials from the Congressional security committees.

      If they can be, then they will be by this or that faction spying not on the bad guys but their own political opponents. This is the reason for the 4th Amendment, to stop the king from filching through opponents' papers at will looking for stuff to tag them with.

      They should have an automated and non-disablable logging system that stuff things into some MD5 file that is copied offsite to multiple places, to prevent editing of it. I'm pretty sure they have little more than a piece of paper with a checkbox "You did bother to get a warrant. Or at least a national security letter, right?" before all activity is not logged anyway.

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    9. Re: Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.

      - Maxim 29:, The Seventy Maxims of Maximally Effective Mercenaries

    10. Re: Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Tough+Love · · Score: 1

      it so happens that breaking trust between players in the western world *at the moment* currently aligns with modus operandi of Russian psychops. Therefore, when Russia is attacking the west, he will aid them.

      Or is it the other way round?

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    11. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And we can totally trust James Clapper

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    12. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They're not using it on russia though.
      They're using it against american journalists, american dissenters, american citizens, and even american polticians whose policies aren't tyrannical enough for their own tastes.

      They're *SUPPOSED* to gather and use information to keep america safe, but it turns out they're the enemy we need to be protected from.

    13. Re: Interesting timing re Trump's claims by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ever heard of the phrase "An angry man is an enemy, and a satisfied man is an ally"?

      Ya. Worst pick-up line - ever.

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    14. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      To be fair: If James Clapper says they didn't, then they did. Not with the white house's knowledge, mind, but that guy's credibility is right down there with POTUS45 himself.

      This leaves us with a time-destroying paradox: Clapper says they didn't, but Trump says that they did. Therefore they absolutely did so, and absolutely cannot have done so. Both possibilities both did and could not have occurred, and our primitive technology does not yet allow us to see the havoc we have wreaked upon our poor continuum.

    15. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Wait, what's the difference?

      You start off with "yes there's wiretaps," then Trump says "can you believe these wiretaps!" and then you say "how dare he claim there's wiretaps, what bullshit!" What's your point?

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    16. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by DarkOx · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, what he said was "I can deny it". Which isn't actually a denial is it. Its a statement, but a meaningless. I can say the "sky is red," its easy to do, but it does not make for a red sky. Clapper is a SOB that has been caught lying before under oath. He escapes prosecution I think because many politicians are afraid of the deep state.

      They told us our phone records were private too unless and until someone got a warrant, turned out that was not exactly the case. We have a secret court FISA, a FUCKING SECRET COURT, for which even after investigation are closed and intelligence actions are completed the records from which remain under seal often for decades! Any truly reasonable interpretation of the Bill of Rights, part of Constitution the highest law of land does not all that shit. The leaks pretty much show the spooks are running basically wild. Its time to go after the three letters and the government can't do because they are scared of their own shadows. Unfortunately that leaves the likes of people who are probably not exactly of great character like Assange to do it.

      So here we are with a CIA run by people Trump was insulting thorough his campaign. They participated in the attribution of the compromise of the DNC and foreign political propaganda (Note not election hacking or stealing because lets face it note vote total tampering has been alleged). Now we find them with a whole suite of tools for performing attacks and making it look like a foreign country, like Russia, did it. Can't get your flunky elected because she is to much a scandal ridden bitch half the country hates, do the next best thing undermine the credibility of the guy who does get elected so nobody will work with him, so he can't implement any reforms, and carry on business as usual. Right?

      Trump might not have any real credibility but even if that is true he has a much as James Clapper, 0, and as much as any of the other three letters. As big a set back as it would be to our overall preparedness, I really believe nothing sort of a near complete housecleaning can fix this. Like literally dissolve the CIA, and NSA, and stand up a new organization with entirely new people former CIA/NSA workers need not apply and put the whole thing back under the control of the Pentagon inside the primary chain of command where it can be properly administrated and observed.

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    17. Re: Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Neuronwelder · · Score: 1

      This is a mistake.. I underrated you!

    18. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll concede that James Clapper's credibility isn't stellar, but it still contradicts GP's assertion that "nobody has denied." Would Obama be any more credible?
      FTA:

      “Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false," said Kevin Lewis, a spokesman for the former president.

      Also, James Comey asked the DOJ to deny the assertions, but that stops just short of being an actual denial.

      Trump might not have any real credibility but...as much as any of the other three letters.

      Are you really saying that information coming to us from DJT is as trustworthy as information being published by the FBI/NSA/CIA?

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    19. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      As far as I'm aware, nobody has denied that Trumps (not the US president at the time) phones were tapped as part of an investigation into his shady links with Russia.

      James Clapper did.
      FTA:

      The director of national intelligence at the time of the US election has denied there was any wire-tapping of Donald Trump or his campaign.
      James Clapper also told NBC that he knew of no court order to allow monitoring of Trump Tower in New York.

      James Clapper? Really?
      Oh, wait, you were sarcastic. Right?

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    20. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by gnick · · Score: 2

      I was presenting Clapper as an alternative to "nobody." And, as I mention above somewhere, Obama has denied it too. So, which president do you think is telling the truth? It's not both.

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    21. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      obama did not deny the DOJ tapped the phones he just said WH did not order.

    22. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Clapper isn't trustworthy, but then again, neither is Trump, who clearly just picked up on a bunch of garbage coming from Levin and Breitbarts, more conspiracy theory nonsense, and running with it. It's pretty clear that no one else in the White House even saw this coming, which is why they really had no way of countering it other than "The President has ways of knowing things!" Considering we can trace the wiretap claim right back to Levin, who was exaggerating the already well known fact that Russian communications were being monitored during and after the election (because concocting anti-Obama conspiracy theories is what right wing radio shock jocks have been doing for eight fucking long years), so we know Trump didn't likely get any of this information from the FBI or any other government intelligence services.

      And now we see as Trump's mouthpieces basically dilute the entire wiretap claim to the point where it was "something", that they're trying to make the entire "wiretapping of Trump Tower" conspiracy theory go away, because what Trump really did was empower and invite Congressional oversight to begin looking even closer at the nonsense going on between Trump's proxies and the Russians during and after the election.

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    23. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Since the allegation was literally, "President Obama was tapping my phones," and Obama's spokesperson said, "Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen," it does sound to me like Obama is denying the allegation.

      -gnick

    24. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      Since the allegation was literally, "President Obama was tapping my phones," and Obama's spokesperson said, "Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen," it does sound to me like Obama is denying the allegation.

      Which I feel brings us to the point that it would actually be kind of staggering if Trump weren't subject to one or more federal wiretaps, given his and his pals' repeated interaction with many and varied Russians who are persons of interest to the US government for a variety of reasons.

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    25. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by fizzer06 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The question isn't about the spy capabilities. It's about whether these tools are used without logging and review by elected officials from the Congressional security committees.

      On the March 6, 2017 Tucker Carlson show, Congressman Jim Hines admitted Congress (and his committee) is not conducting any meaningful oversight of the spy agencies.

    26. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What excuse will you use to justify them doing this but not the U.S.?

      Here's the excuse I use: because it's the US. We're supposedly exceptional, in thinking our citizens' liberty and privacy outweigh the desires of the state. Russia didn't ratify a constitution which imposes a bunch of limitations on the government to uphold this unusual value, nor did England or France or Babylon; we did.

      The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

      If we have changed our minds, we should admit it by repealing the limitations which currently make it illegal for the government to do these things to us.

      Have we changed our minds? It's ok if we did, but if so, we need to stop lying about it and come out of the police state closet.

      There's a reason people should seek legal help from real attorneys rather than some random stranger on the internet.

      There's a reason people should talk about (and ultimately vote) on what the law should be, instead of letting lawyers tell them what the law says. Lawyers' opinions are irrelevant. Their job is to be good at reading our commands. When the people and the lawyers disagree about the meaning of a law, it means the lawyers are in error.

    27. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Just as plausibly, Flynn, Sessions and heaven knows who else simply got caught up in the US government's already well known spying on the Russian ambassador and other Russian officials in the US. In other words, there was no need to directly target Trump and his proxies at all. They literally walked into the existing monitoring that was going on. And really, at that point, if you have some US citizens chatting up Putin's representatives, how is that not justification for seeking FISA warrants to take a closer look at those proxies?

      This is the part that amazes me. Even if I'm willing to accept that Sessions, Flynn, Kushner and whomever else was getting cozy with the Russians weren't committing any crimes, how could these people have gone around imagining that their activities wouldn't be noted by US security agencies? Sessions and Flynn have been around a long goddamned time and certainly must be at least vaguely aware of what the FBI, NSA, CIA and Secret Service are capable of. This either betrays a kind of supreme arrogance, or a level of base stupidity, and in either case doesn't exactly recommend these men to any kind of high office or position of trust. That Flynn and Sessions felt compelled to lie about it makes it all the more curious.

      Here's my opinion, for the little bit it's worth. I don't think even they thought Trump would win. I think both Congressional Republicans and Trump's own team had no real expectation up until the last week or so before the election that they would ever have to be in a position to explain themselves. When he won, and suddenly they had to answer to somebody about their activities (Flynn to Pence and Sessions to the Senate confirmation committee) they suddenly had to answer questions they never imagined would be posed to them. If Trump had lost, nobody would given a flying fuck about Trump's chief advisers and supporters. There might still have been a peak into Trump-Russia leaks, but it wouldn't have been the kind of microscope that's being employed now. And the funniest part is that Trump's propagating the whole wiretapping claim has literally invited both the House and Senate Intelligence Committees to probe even deeper.

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    28. Re: Interesting timing re Trump's claims by sysrammer · · Score: 1

      that made me actually lol

      Yah. Wanted to up-mod him but he already at 5.

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    29. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Dogers · · Score: 1

      Schrödingers wiretap?

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    30. Re: Interesting timing re Trump's claims by budgenator · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding, the Delivery Driver is a CIA undercover.

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    31. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, it's the old 'Buttered Cat Paradox'

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    32. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If you believe all the "IT'S THE RUSSIANS" narrative then you're a real idiot.

      That's the DNC line that has kinda stuck so they keep running with it. We've heard easily ten different arguments trying to discredit Trump before "the russians!".

      - He's unexperienced!
      - He's not as rich as he says!
      - He wants war with Russia!
      - He hates women!
      - He grabs your pussy!
      - He's crazy!
      - The Pope says he's no good!
      - He's probably doing Ivanka!
      - He's abusing Melania!
      - He hates being president!
      - He's in bed with Russia! -- you are here

      All the above have been attempts at bringing him down. You guys are really running out of ideas.

    33. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by DarkOx · · Score: 1

      No he was doing what he does playing word games, which he consistently does in testimony. Youtube any of it. My argument why he should not be believed is that he has a history of misleading the public with issues related to monitoring of communications by American Citizens. https://youtu.be/QwiUVUJmGjs

      I am calling him lair because I have pretty strong evidence he has lied before about similar subjects. Its a tautology, Clapper is untrustworthy because he is untrustworthy. He has lied before about this subject, the assumption must be that his testimony can not be considered useful evidence going forward. Which is not say its impossible he is telling the truth now. Liars don't always lie. It is however hard to see what motivation he would have to be honest.

      1) He isn't under oath this time so there is no personal risk if caught fibbing
      2) His statement sort of exonerates himself and his political pals, maybe its true, but it also happens to be the lie he'd want to tell if it were otherwise
      3) Its what everyone expects him to say, so he can expect little push back for people other than Trump and his surrogates, who already have animosity toward him.

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    34. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Sara+Chan · · Score: 1

      “Neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any U.S. citizen.

      Watch the quoted words closely. The President cannot give the order, not even in principle. Rather, the order must come from the FISA Court. The Court gives the order upon application by the Attorney General. The AG would almost certainly not act unless she had the approval of the President. Thus, the quoted words do not imply that President Obama did not approve surveillance.

    35. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by dilvish_the_damned · · Score: 1

      To be fair: If James Clapper says they didn't, then they did. Not with the white house's knowledge, mind, but that guy's credibility is right down there with POTUS45 himself.

      This leaves us with a time-destroying paradox: Clapper says they didn't, but Trump says that they did. Therefore they absolutely did so, and absolutely cannot have done so. Both possibilities both did and could not have occurred, and our primitive technology does not yet allow us to see the havoc we have wreaked upon our poor continuum.

      I think it would be best to open the box and put this cat out of its missery.

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    36. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by randallman · · Score: 1

      So Trump makes a claim with absolutely no basis and ... you took it hook, line, and sinker. He's got you distracted, talking about Clapper and FISA instead of what had him furious to begin with. He might have well as said Aliens landed in Kentucky. The head of NASA denies it, and all the discussion goes to NASA and whether or not Aliens might have landed in Kentucky.

      "performing attacks and making it look like a foreign country, like Russia, did it" Wow! That's quite a stretch there. Got your own conspiracy theory ready to go.

      "undermine the credibility of the guy who does get elected so nobody will work with him" Nobody wants to work with him because he's a total moron.

      "dissolve the CIA, and NSA" - Bannon, is that you? The CIA and NSA are just about the only checks left on this lunatic.

    37. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by randallman · · Score: 1

      Parent's conclusion was to "dissolve the CIA, and NSA". I don't think you'll get rational answers to your questions.

    38. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by Hussman32 · · Score: 1

      According to the CIA FAQ, the The Central Intelligence Agency's primary mission is to collect, evaluate, and disseminate foreign intelligence to assist the president and senior US government policymakers in making decisions relating to the national security. The CIA does not make policy; it is an independent source of foreign intelligence information for those who do. The CIA may also engage in covert action at the president's direction in accordance with applicable law."

      Italics mine. My understanding is that the CIA is not supposed to perform domestic intelligence gathering. I'm curious (if the leaks are real) if that charter has been honored. If not, then there is a legality question.

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    39. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The real question is, what misinformation are you producing to flood their databases with poison. Relational databases are extremely vulnerable to false data links, whack a few in there and unless they are manually cleaned out the wreck relationships and conclusions drawn from those relationships. So fake connections, fake messaging, fake interactions, what are you doing to help flood the internet with enough bullshit to drown the CIA/NSA et al (lets not forget all those other countries like Five Eyes, even though that in reality is only a one eyed dick with four blind mice but they all deserve the same treatment).

      Want to thwart their corrupt practices of distorting politics via extortion, than start producing tools and data, start flooding the internet with nonsense, from every possible transmission point. For competing governments, the more honey pots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... to set up, the more readily you can feed them false data about all sorts of stuff and keep them amused for years (turn the internet into a minefield, it will eventually catch everyone to be caught).

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    40. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by dwpro · · Score: 1

      I I watched that whole tucker/hines debacle. you're right, about halfway through Hines gives a very lackluster defense of his committee's oversight, 'we get regular reports of overreaches' or something to that effect. I wish Tucker had pressed him more on how he could improve that oversight.

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    41. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by dwpro · · Score: 1
      He said more than 'I can deny it'. from the meet the press transcript:

      Yeah, I was just going to say, if the F.B.I., for instance, had a FISA court order of some sort for a surveillance, would that be information you would know or not know?
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      Yes.
      CHUCK TODD:
      You would be told this?
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      I would know that.
      CHUCK TODD:
      If there was a FISA court order--
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      Yes.
      CHUCK TODD:
      --on something like this.
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      Something like this, absolutely.
      CHUCK TODD:
      And at this point, you can't confirm or deny whether that exists?
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      I can deny it.
      CHUCK TODD:
      There is no FISA court order?
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      Not-- not to know my knowledge.
      CHUCK TODD:
      Of anything at Trump Tower?
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      No.
      CHUCK TODD:
      Well, that's an important revelation at this point. Let me ask you this. Does intelligence exist that can definitively answer the following question, whether there were improper contacts between the Trump campaign and Russian officials?
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      We did not include any evidence in our report, and I say, "our," that's N.S.A., F.B.I. and C.I.A., with my office, the Director of National Intelligence, that had anything, that had any reflection of collusion between members of the Trump campaign and the Russians. There was no evidence of that included in our report.
      CHUCK TODD:
      I understand that. But does it exist?
      JAMES CLAPPER:
      Not to my knowledge.

      link to meet the press Listen to the audio, it's clear that he's not trying to use weasel words (not to say he's not lying, he clearly has no problems with that).

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    42. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by zedaroca · · Score: 2

      The question isn't about the spy capabilities. It's about whether these tools are used without logging and review by elected officials from the Congressional security committees.

      That might be one of the questions for Americans, but the vast majority of the world and of CIA's victims isn't American. Wikileaks isn't American either. This information matters much more for the rest of the world than it does to the American democracy. We can count in one hand the number of Americans drone murdered. Compare that to Pakistanis.
      Most of the American public doesn't care about mass murder outside of America and think all this capabilities and uses are fine as long as it's legal and there is congressional review.

      Did you get the old news about the innocent that was kidnapped by the CIA in Italy, delivered to be tortured in Egypt, and suffered for 4 years? None of the American criminals went to jail. The 22000 American IP addressees in this publication should be the least of the world's concerns.

    43. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by zedaroca · · Score: 1

      The point is that he was Obama's Director of National Intelligence. Yes, Obama's administration was full of lies, and we could not, and did not trust them or anything they said without serious proof, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't be held accountable for their lies while on office.

    44. Re:Interesting timing re Trump's claims by nasch · · Score: 2

      So many strawmen in just one comment... here are your "rebuttals" to things he didn't say:

      "you think the government, any government, should be prohibited from using tools to monitor/spy/whatever on others"

      "Do you think Russia isn't doing the same thing?" (technically this one is a question but it's totally irrelevant to his point)

      " What excuse will you use to justify them doing this but not the U.S.?"

  2. Re:Zero Chance by Bertie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No need for zero-day exploits when Donnie's using a four-year-old Samsung that's probably got more holes than Jeff Sessions' Congress testimony.

  3. how would we know? by gtall · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How would we know these are the CIA tools and not ones the Russians released to Wikileaks and fooling them into thinking they are the CIA tools? Or that Wikileaks knows they are Russian and is simply lying?

    1. Re:how would we know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does it matter now the CIA is under Kremlin control?

    2. Re:how would we know? by guruevi · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Wikileaks is one of the few remaining upstanding journalistic organizations. They wouldn't waste their credibility on false flags. We already know the US uses Celebrite hacks and when asked to reveal the constitutionality of the process they simply refuse and drop the case. We have unconstitutional courts without defense, jury or oversight for domestic cases, how do you think they behave when they don't have to conform to the constitution.

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    3. Re:how would we know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      BEJING

    4. Re:how would we know? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      How would we know these are the CIA tools and not ones the Russians released to Wikileaks and fooling them into thinking they are the CIA tools?

      Visit TFA. Download the torrent. Analyze the data. Make up your own mind. Or, like most of us, wait for some reputable hearties to do it for you.

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    5. Re:how would we know? by admin7087 · · Score: 1

      Like in the past, we will know that from the outrage they create within the US government and from an overall assessment of the tools.

    6. Re:how would we know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Today's word: bullshit.

    7. Re:how would we know? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      Although it may surprise you, outside your insular liberal bubble most people look at the so called 'carbon' problems as a total hoax.

      You could have learned in one simple search that your comment is a lie.

      https://www.nytimes.com/2017/0...

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    8. Re:how would we know? by johnsmithperson123 · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, but we have no idea as to the authenticity of the hack. It's even possible that the CIA has penetrated the Russian intel services and is releasing their hacking tools as part of a sophisticated false flag operation, if not particularly probable.

    9. Re:how would we know? by Sumus+Semper+Una · · Score: 1

      Wikileaks is one of the few remaining upstanding journalistic organizations.

      I'm pretty sure you've come up with your own personal definition of the expectations of journalism in your head to fit a predefined position of the things you support that Wikileaks does...

      I won't argue that Wikileaks doesn't have a place or a valid idea of ethics. I argue instead that they are by no means more ethical journalists than other reputable sources, and in fact are among the most blatant ethically dubious journalists in some areas.

      It's not hard to find common themes among most international journalism societies. Take this and this for example. After reading those ethical expectations, please explain to me how 10 of 23 news stories at https://wikileaks.org/-News-.html over the past 2 years being devoted to the organization's founder qualifies as unbiased reporting. The leaks themselves, located here, while useful, are consistently either without any context whatsoever, or are given with the same or worse consistent bias and narrative that dozens of other journalism sources are lambasted for.

      Again, I'm not saying that Wikileaks and the information it provides does not have a place. I'm saying that you're a fool if you aren't willing to see that it has ethical problems that are every bit as glaring and serious as those of other journalism sources and sometimes worse.

    10. Re:how would we know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Why in actual fuck would Russia release THEIR OWN HACKING TOOLS?

      Cognitive dissonance. Rather than come to grips with the fact they lost the election, or that they're just maybe not on "the right side of history" the left hallucinates vast conspiracy theories in which Putin can hack all of time and space and the very minds of everyone on the planet (except them) in order to control all things. This is an easier mental leap for them than "gee, maybe I'm not as smart, well-informed, and perfectly morally justified in all my actions as I thought I was."

      I see no signs of it letting up. Before long Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, Joe Scarborough, etc, are going to be seen running through the streets, shredding their clothes and clawing open their own flesh because "The Russians are inside of my skiiiiiiiiiiinnnnn!!!!!

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    11. Re:how would we know? by rilister · · Score: 1

      Well, taking the obvious bait, I'd say this is a stash of co-develop British GCHQ tools and those shared with the Brits. Why? At least two of them are named after Dr. Who characters. CIA/NSA seem to prefer randomly chosen 'ADJECTIVE NOUN' (eg. 'Stinky Bishop') over sci-fi themed nerd-friendly "Sontaran" and "Weeping Angels."

      Next up, characters from Lord of the Rings...

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    12. Re:how would we know? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Whatever Wikileaks was, what it is now is a combination of the Julian Assange Fan Club and mouthpiece for Russian security services. It doesn't do journalism, it does targeted leaks on behalf of the Russians.

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    13. Re:how would we know? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      You're joking right? New York Times? FAKE NEWS!

      Why are two cowards the only people who cropped up to say this? I hope one of you is joking.

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    14. Re:how would we know? by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Have you been able to download the torrent? I haven't.

    15. Re:how would we know? by losfromla · · Score: 1

      uh, because the comments are not in Russian or whatever other non-English(US) language.

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    16. Re:how would we know? by losfromla · · Score: 1

      Having spent a year in flyover country and most of the rest of my life on the West coast, I'll call bullshit on your troll claim.
      1. We in California control the real food, vegetables, fruit, all get to the Midwest from down south (Mexico) or from the West coast (Cali-fucking-fornia).
      2. We don't get cold like y'all do so we can just throw on a couple of blankets and wait out the two weeks of winter.
      3. We have our own cars (our own transportation) and can get petroleum from Mexico so fuck you and your fuel.
      4. Your last paragraph is just a reflection of your fear, poverty, and desperation.

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    17. Re:how would we know? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      "Martin Espinoza" is a real person?

      Yes, and there are a number of other real people who will vouch for that fact here on Slashdot. There is even intersections between the sets of those who use their real names here, and those who know me from meatspace.

      You're no different than any AC.

      I'm demonstrably different from any AC, in that I can be held accountable for the stupid things I say.

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    18. Re:how would we know? by zedaroca · · Score: 1

      1. The Russians would waste tools they have?
      2. In ten years no false document was published by Wikileaks.
      2.1 Do you think the Russians would be able to fool them? On this scale?
      2.2 Do you think they would waste this kind of credibility when there is so much shit coming from the US anyway?

      Recently it became a common place to doubt vetted documents coming from Wikileaks, while taking WP's anonymous sources without documents for absolute truth tellers, and to blame everything on Russia.

      But even though your hypothesis doesn't sound compelling to me, the answer to your question is investigate. The US has some legal framework to investigate the executive branch. Let's hope security researchers investigate some stuff too. There is a lot of time before CCC.

    19. Re:how would we know? by zedaroca · · Score: 1

      I did download it before the release of the keys, it was super fast. I have a decent fiber connection.
      After seeing your comment I checked and realized that I was not uploading it, even though it's my last torrent (my usual upload speed is between 500k to 1mb at the moment I checked it was around 600k).
      So I decided to pause all the other uploads to give it a boost.
      It's not uploading.

      But really, for now you are good just reading most of it on Wikileaks.org most documents are available there, and a lot of stuff will be released only after the patches.

    20. Re:how would we know? by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      I think this should be about priorities. Wikileaks is under fierce and persistent attack and highlighting/inflating their faults and making these the center of attention is part of that. You're agreeing Wikileaks has a value but your main theme is that it's flawed. I think it should be the other way round.

      I think wikileaks is very valuable, very honest, and reliable. They contribute a lot in holding power to the light , and it is true that very often journalism is failing in this. They fill a void.
      I recall well that when Wikileaks was collaborating with newspapers, including the NYTimes , in what I think should be the appropriate approach, the journalists do the digesting, that the NYTimes main focus was doing a hatchet job on Assange instead.

      That wikileaks is publishing themselves is a patch. One can be critical about that. I don't expect them to do an excellent job there, it could even be mediocre, but they get the priorities right in doing aggressive monitoring of power centers and showing you the data they are basing their statements on so you can bypass their own conclusions.

      One can also be divided about the approach to reporting since specifically about bias and objectivity there are serious disagreements in journalism. The main conflict is between journalism which just digests and passes on stuff (that is the dominant strain) and journalism which is more activist and which directs attention. The latter gives a lot more room to opinion.

      But you're criticizing the articles about Assange himself? That's like criticizing press releases for not being good journalism. That's a bad sense of priorities and a false equivalence.

    21. Re:how would we know? by dave562 · · Score: 1

      Thanks for reseeding. I gave up on it.

  4. Yikes by peetm · · Score: 1

    But hardly unexpected it seems to me.

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  5. Does it include targets? by guruevi · · Score: 1, Interesting

    The interesting thing would be to see the targets. Given it's the CIA, they are only authorized to surveil targets foreign to the US. The problem with malware and high tech devices is that they cannot always be accurately contained. So how many US citizens and US allies were "inadvertently" tapped? How about political targets?

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    1. Re:Does it include targets? by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The problem with malware and high tech devices is that they cannot always be accurately contained.

      Oh, very insightful. What, in reading the story from WikiLeaks, about the leaked trove of CIA hacking tools, led you to believe the hacking tools could not always be contained?

      Also, the existence of weapons isn't really a problem. Yes, the government has cyber weapons. They also have nuclear weapons that can annihilate the entire planet. What matters is the manner in which such things are, or are not used. I'm not terrified because the FBI has the ability to kick down my door at any time. Of course they can. Doors have been kickdownable since the invention of doors and kicking. My protection against having my door kicked down is not the removal of boots from the FBI or an unkickdownable door, but a piece of paper that says they can't do it without a warrant from a judge to whom they have demonstrated probable cause that I have committed a crime. So, the CIA's weapons are fine. But is anybody checking to see how they're using them, and who they're using them on? Somehow I doubt it.

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  6. WARNING: Intel CPU backdoored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Your Intel CPU is already backdoored

    Forget security, your Intel CPU is already backdoored and it is wide open.

    Remember, *3 Billion devices run JAVA*, and your motherboard backdoor is running it.

    REcon 2014 - Intel Management Engine Secrets

    32c3 Intel backdoor live hack demonstration, keystrokes logged and downloaded over wire, wireshark can't detect:
    Towards (reasonably) trustworthy x86 laptops

    Tools to remove Intel backdoor firmware:
    https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner.

    Neutralize your Intel backdoor:

    Neutralize ME firmware on SandyBridge and IvyBridge platforms

    First introduced in Intelâ(TM)s 965 Express Chipset Family, the Intel Management Engine (ME) is a separate computing environment physically located in the (G)MCH chip (for Core 2 family CPUs which is separate from the northbridge), or PCH chip replacing ICH(for Core i3/i5/i7 which is integrated with northbridge).

    The ME consists of an individual processor core, code and data caches, a timer, and a secure internal bus to which additional devices are connected, including a cryptography engine, internal ROM and RAM, memory controllers, and a direct memory access (DMA) engine to access the host operating systemâ(TM)s memory as well as to reserve a region of protected external memory to supplement the MEâ(TM)s limited internal RAM. The ME also has network access with its own MAC address through the Intel Gigabit Ethernet Controller integrated in the southbridge (ICH or PCH).

    The Intel Management Engine with its proprietary firmware has complete access to and control over the PC: it can power on or shut down the PC, read all open files, examine all running applications, track all keys pressed and mouse movements, and even capture or display images on the screen. And it has a network interface that is demonstrably insecure, which can allow an attacker on the network to inject rootkits that completely compromise the PC and can report to the attacker all activities performed on the PC. It is a threat to freedom, security, and privacy that canâ(TM)t be ignored.

    https://hackaday.com/tag/intel-management-engine/

    Five or so years ago, Intel rolled out something horrible. Intelâ(TM)s Management Engine (ME) is a completely separate computing environment running on Intel chipsets that has access to everything. The ME has network access, access to the host operating system, memory, and cryptography engine. The ME can be used remotely even if the PC is powered off. If that sounds scary, it gets even worse: no one knows what the ME is doing, and we canâ(TM)t even look at the code. When â" not âifâ(TM) â" the ME is finally cracked open, every computer running on a recent Intel chip will have a huge security and privacy issue. Intelâ(TM)s Management Engine is the single most dangerous piece of computer hardware ever created.

    Intel Active Management Technology

    Almost all AMT features are available even if the PC is in a powered-off state but with its power cord attached, if the operating system has crashed, if the software agent is missing, or if hardware (such as a hard drive or memory) has failed.[1][2] The console-redirection feature (SOL), agent presence checking, and network traffic filters are available after the PC is powered up.[1][2]

    The Management Engine (ME) is an isolated and protected coprocessor, embedded as a non-optional[29] part in all current (as of 2015) Intel chipset

    1. Re:WARNING: Intel CPU backdoored by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting this. The information you provide is fairly accurate, but unfortunately comes across a bit as the rambling of a madman, so you might want to think about revising your communication strategy.

    2. Re:WARNING: Intel CPU backdoored by geekmux · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting this. The information you provide is fairly accurate, but unfortunately comes across a bit as the rambling of a madman, so you might want to think about revising your communication strategy.

      Speaking of revised communications, you have one hell of a way of saying nothing to see here, move along.

      There was nothing rambling about the parents post other than the fact that it contains a metric fuckton of actions that should be of considerable concern to the general populous.

      The insanity here is watching the masses ignore the shit out of it, while claiming they still care about privacy and security.

    3. Re:WARNING: Intel CPU backdoored by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Who gives a fuck what you think, when *3 billions device run JAVA and is leaking like a sieve*, the world is on fire, it's time to scream and warn everyone, not a time to play fucking boy scout.

      Because you sound like a guy ranting about chemtrails or water fluoridation or lizard people controlling governments. I wouldn't trust the hobo on the street corner rambling about backdoored CPUs, and the writing style is pretty evocative of that.
      I'm not even saying any of your points are wrong, just that If you actually learn how to communicate this more effectively, people might take it more seriously and you'll get more support for your points.

  7. Hi CIA by meta-monkey · · Score: 5, Funny

    https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/...

    Reading list

    A list of websites I like to check out to stay up to date and get new ideas:

            General
                    http://reddit.com/r/netsec along with all the other good subreddits (RE, forensics)
                    http://thehackernews.com/
                    http://slashdot.org
            Forensics
                    http://swiftforensics.com/

    Ha, ha, hello CIA friends, I hope you've enjoyed all my ENTIRELY SATIRICAL posts over the years that may have appeared to the slow of wit to be critical of the government and the Agency, but were in fact entirely in jest. I'm sure you had a good chuckle all the times I COMPLETELY IRONICALLY referred to you as lying liars who lie about your lies to bring us into war under war false pretenses...over and over again.

    Anywho, keep up the good work, friends!

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    1. Re:Hi CIA by Motherfucking+Shit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's likely they're doing more than just reading. Slashdot visitors have been specifically targeted before, there's no reason to assume that's not ongoing.

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    2. Re:Hi CIA by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      And I for one welcome our new Deep State overlords! I’d like to remind them that as a trusted Slashdot personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to toil in their underground server farms.

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    3. Re:Hi CIA by infolation · · Score: 1

      Plus they'll scramble them at dusk rather than dawn, for extra foolish deception.

  8. Revolution T- 20 by Deliveranc3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    20 years ago there would have been hearings and elections and all sorts of excitement about this.

    Now we just shrug cry and accept.

    1. Re:Revolution T- 20 by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

      My sentiments exactly. I'm guessing that issues like transgender bathrooms, suppressing free speech on campus, identity politics, trump derangement syndrome, and whatever else consumes the blue bubbles is far more important that a government that's able to spy on us through our TV sets and Phones. The real story here is that the CIA setup their own NSA like system, and as they are not constrained by the same rules as the NSA have probably been spying on all of Obama's political enemies for several years. Making the Stasi & KGB look like rank amateurs. If you don't think there is any precedent for this, you've been asleep for years.

      You can bet that the folks in flyover country that elected Trump, and get their news from talk radio, will be very, very angry about all of this.

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  9. Haxx0ring attribution by meta-monkey · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From the press release:

    UMBRAGE

    The CIA's hand crafted hacking techniques pose a problem for the agency. Each technique it has created forms a "fingerprint" that can be used by forensic investigators to attribute multiple different attacks to the same entity.

    This is analogous to finding the same distinctive knife wound on multiple separate murder victims. The unique wounding style creates suspicion that a single murderer is responsible. As soon one murder in the set is solved then the other murders also find likely attribution.

    The CIA's Remote Devices Branch's UMBRAGE group collects and maintains a substantial library of attack techniques 'stolen' from malware produced in other states including the Russian Federation.

    With UMBRAGE and related projects the CIA cannot only increase its total number of attack types but also misdirect attribution by leaving behind the "fingerprints" of the groups that the attack techniques were stolen from.

    UMBRAGE components cover keyloggers, password collection, webcam capture, data destruction, persistence, privilege escalation, stealth, anti-virus (PSP) avoidance and survey techniques.

    Uh oh. So combine with:

    Recently, the CIA lost control of the majority of its hacking arsenal including malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized "zero day" exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation. This extraordinary collection, which amounts to more than several hundred million lines of code, gives its possessor the entire hacking capacity of the CIA. The archive appears to have been circulated among former U.S. government hackers and contractors in an unauthorized manner, one of whom has provided WikiLeaks with portions of the archive.

    Doesn't that make attributing the source of a hack based on exploit fingerprinting essentially meaningless? If a motivated hacker had access to this trove, and therefore Umbrage, and say they wanted to hack the email server of a US political party, could they not simply leave behind a Russian fingerprint in order to implicate them?

    Always seemed strange to me the DNC hackers used a Russian VPN. Isn't the first rule of haxx0ring to be behind 7 proxies? And the last of which sure as shit shouldn't be anywhere near where you really are?

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    1. Re:Haxx0ring attribution by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      47th dimensional reverse underwater backgammon confirmed.

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    2. Re:Haxx0ring attribution by tinkerton · · Score: 1

      It's especially funny that for the hacking story the CIA claims they're sure the russians are behind it, while they normally ask the NSA to look it up in their logs so they just would know. But the NSA just think it's plausible. That's as good as saying there's no sign of any proof.

  10. Wikileaks is just Assange by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "upstanding journalistic organizations"
    Nah, they're Julian Assange, and he'll leak anything that comes his way that looks juicy. In this case it will be the same source as his DNC leaks, i.e. Russian intelligence using him as an outlet.

    The timing is telling, Trump just did a "Obama spied on me to interfere with the elections" thing. Who hacked the elections? Well the US spies say it was Russia, but POTUS says it was Obama. That fell flat on it's face. And now from the same source, a lot of CIA zero day exploits, with the release brought forward to today. Tomorrow I wouldn't be surprised if we get Trump tweeting again, trying to leverage this into an attack on the CIA and FBI to back up his spy claims. Another day, another attack from POTUS on America, another defense of Putin.

    This is a ping-pong pattern, Trump said Sweden was crime ridden due to immigrants. next day Sweden then had a riot, Radio24syv investigates it, finds Russian TV station NTV paid youths to burn a car. Trump supporters cited the riot as proof Trump was right and Swedish media was wrong.

    When you have a foreign countries propaganda unit at your disposal, and Republican putting party before country, you have a takeover. It's the same pattern repeating itself.

    1. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Trump said Sweden was crime ridden due to immigrants. next day Sweden then had a riot, Radio24syv investigates it, finds Russian TV station NTV paid youths to burn a car. Trump supporters cited the riot as proof Trump was right and Swedish media was wrong.

      Did they pay for all the grenade attacks, too? Seriously, is there anything Putin cannot hack?! The DNC, Hillary, the elections of every nation, and, unimaginably, he can even hack the minds of peaceful Somalians in Sweden to turn them into violent savages entirely unlike the Somalians in Somalia. Amazing, this Putin.

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    2. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by MatthiasF · · Score: 1, Informative

      The grenade attacks are from organized crime scaring people into protection schemes. You'll notice they started long before the refugees.

      But nice Putin-defending strawman. Amazing how well people fall in line behind tyrants like sheep.

    3. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by blind+biker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Trump said Sweden was crime ridden due to immigrants. next day Sweden then had a riot, Radio24syv investigates it, finds Russian TV station NTV paid youths to burn a car. Trump supporters cited the riot as proof Trump was right and Swedish media was wrong.

      This is misinformation at its worst.
      The riots in Rinkeby were sparked by a police arrest.

      Are people really modding up this feces, this worst kind of fake news?

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    4. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by alcmena · · Score: 1

      No, that's what their stellar education system for. Terrorism is better destroyed by education than it is by bombs and guns. Thankfully, we elected someone amazing to head our education department... right?

    5. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Only insults; no arguments. Hmmm.

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    6. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Please provide citations that show that immigrants are genetically predisposed to be less intelligent.

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    7. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1
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    8. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by pntkl · · Score: 1

      "To the maggots in the cheese, the cheese is the universe. To the worms in the corpse, the corpse is the cosmos." That has to be one of my favorite ways of thinking about how people tend to operate. Surely insulting, while getting right to a point. Perhaps if we were able to tunnel out of the rotten cheese, we wouldn't be compelled to fight about which of us are more capable of eating our way out. The way I see it, crime isn't primarily caused by low intelligence and/or poor impulse control--unless you're speaking about those that write the relevant law. Crime is more a result of people collectively lacking scruples sound enough to write and uphold laws that weren't meant to be broken from the onset.

    9. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      You go in to school with an IQ of 68 (the average IQ in Somalia) and you come out with an IQ of 68.

      You must not know how education works. Poor soul.

    10. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Crime is more a result of people collectively lacking scruples sound enough to write and uphold laws that weren't meant to be broken from the onset.

      From where do scruples come?

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    11. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      How much education do we need to give to the 68 IQ Somalian to turn him into 160+ IQ Albert Einstein? Or even 78 IQ D00MSlayer?

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    12. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      The grenade attacks are in Malmo, though. Is that a heavily Russian area?

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    13. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Quite a few places. Just a couple search results

      Your links are just lists of places where the bible uses the word "equality." That has nothing to do with the context of the discussion, which is biological equivalence between different groups of humans, which is absolutely not part of Christian philosophy, which says that while all humans are loved by God, they are not equivalent or interchangeable. There are lots of different meanings of the word "equality" but in this context we're talking about the distribution of intelligence in different groups of humans.

      Answer these questions truthfully:

      1. Is the average intelligence of ethnic Somalians higher than, lower than, or equal to the average intelligence of ethnic Japanese?

      2. If you surveyed Japanese geneticists and asked that same question, what would they say?

      3. If the answers to 1) and 2) are different, why do you think that is?

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    14. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by KiloByte · · Score: 1

      Are people really modding up this feces, this worst kind of fake news?

      They're modding up whatever narrative fits their belief system, truth has nothing to it.

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    15. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by SomePoorSchmuck · · Score: 1

      No, that's what their stellar education system for. Terrorism is better destroyed by education than it is by bombs and guns.

      [Ted] Kaczynski graduated from Harvard University in 1962, at age 20, and subsequently enrolled at the University of Michigan, where he earned a PhD in mathematics.[16] Kaczynski's specialty was a branch of complex analysis known as geometric function theory. His professors at Michigan were impressed with his intellect and drive. "He was an unusual person. He was not like the other graduate students," said Peter Duren, one of Kaczynski's math professors at Michigan. "He was much more focused about his work. He had a drive to discover mathematical truth." "It is not enough to say he was smart," said George Piranian, another of his Michigan math professors.[20] Kaczynski earned his PhD with his thesis entitled "Boundary Functions"[21] by solving a problem so difficult that even Piranian could not solve it.[20] Maxwell Reade, a retired math professor who served on Kaczynski's dissertation committee, also commented on his thesis by noting, "I would guess that maybe 10 or 12 men in the country understood or appreciated it."[22] In 1967, Kaczynski won the University of Michigan's Sumner B. Myers Prize, which recognized his dissertation as the school's best in mathematics that year.[22] While a graduate student at Michigan, he held a National Science Foundation fellowship and taught undergraduates for three years. He also published two articles related to his dissertation in mathematical journals, and four more after leaving Michigan.[21][23]

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    16. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      In what way am I supporting eugenics?

      Because you're using the long-discredited arguments of the eugenics movements without actually saying the word "eugenics."

      You know what causes stupidity? Genetics.

      Real geneticists and anthropologists have been trying to debunk this nonsense for decades now.

    17. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

      Ohhh, meta-monkey. Your inability to think within logical and reasonable terms and realities is no longer surprising.

      We don't need to turn them into super-geniuses such as yourself, we only need to teach them enough to where they can communicate and function properly in a modern civilization. Some of them may even exceed beyond the basic educational standards and become scientists, doctors, or heck, even teachers themselves!

      Oh the possibilities are endless, monkey, endless!

    18. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Really? Guess you better get the word to all those evil racist eugenicists on Wikipedia.

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    19. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      So, imagine a Somalian two standard deviations above the mean (top 5% of Somalians). That'd put him at an IQ of 98. Are the possibilities really "endless" when the top 5% of them have an IQ only about the same as your typical UPS delivery man? Do you think a lot of our doctors and scientists are sporting 98 IQs?

      And remember, that's the best of the best. 50% of them have IQs below 68, which is literal moron territory. That is, too stupid to understand the consequences of "if I rape that would be bad and I would go to jail." Is it really worth putting up with half a million such individuals in your nice, cozy, high-trust 1st world society in order to get those 50,000 amazing 98 IQ "scientists" and "doctors?"

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    20. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Okay, great, we're mostly agreed. I thought you were being ironic. That said, Sweden, ground zero for retarded leftist westerners, is the least religious nation in Europe with some 80% of Swedes identifying as non-believers.

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    21. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Which is as I said, that's the thinking straight out of Animal Farm.

      Just to clarify, you're right, I just say that anti-racism is nothing that came out of Christianity. "Race" is a matter of flesh, and therefore of the material domain, which is irrelevant to Christ's spiritual teachings.

      I'm not saying Christianity is racist. I'm saying it was also not anti-racist. "Race" was simply not an issue addressed by Christianity (except to say that God is the God of all races), and I don't think you'll find the history of Western Civilization before the middle of the 20th century to be full of the impassioned screeds of moral philosophers (Christian or otherwise) against the evils of racism. To my knowledge no one ever considered that racism (that is, the noticing of differences in ethnic groups of people) to be a bad thing until Leon Trotsky pointed it out, and he was a communist atheist Jew. And today, "racism" is the Original Sin of the predominately atheist materialist left, not Christianity.

      So while I agree with you that anti-racism or racial egalitarianism is something out of Animal Farm, I hardly think you can attribute that to Christianity when we had 1900 years of racist or not-anti-racist Christians before a communist atheist Jew said "racism is a bad thing," and the rise of anti-racism and leftist thought in the west coincides with the decline of Christianity.

      Neither racism nor anti-racism are Christian concepts, because those are matters of flesh, not spirit.

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    22. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by nasch · · Score: 1

      You're putting way too much stock in IQ. For example: "A 2005 study stated that "differential validity in prediction suggests that the WAIS-R test may contain cultural influences that reduce the validity of the WAIS-R as a measure of cognitive ability for Mexican American students," indicating a weaker positive correlation relative to sampled white students. Other recent studies have questioned the culture-fairness of IQ tests when used in South Africa."

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      50% of them have IQs below 68, which is literal moron territory. That is, too stupid to understand the consequences of "if I rape that would be bad and I would go to jail."

      According to what scale? Or did you make that up?

    23. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by pntkl · · Score: 1

      Crime is more a result of people collectively lacking scruples sound enough to write and uphold laws that weren't meant to be broken from the onset.

      From where do scruples come?

      Scruples come from open cooperation with hesitation to act when it's lacking. An ethic of reciprocity, so to speak. To have scruples is to be, rather than to seem to be, I suppose. "To be or not to be: that is the question..."

    24. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      An ethic of reciprocity

      Do you think Swedish altruism towards Somalians is reciprocated?

      Do you think Somalians practice reciprocal altruism among themselves?

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    25. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      https://duckduckgo.com/?q=aver...

      Pick your source.

      As for cultural bias, researchers have addressed this. They've had tests made by African educators, using African cultural references, given to students who have never seen a non-African by African teachers and they get the same results. Others have tried non written/verbal test structures, like reflexes to measure "quickness of mind" and gotten slightly lower results for people who had improved with exposure to tests (i.e., test-taking ability bias).

      Really, the burden of proof should be on the radical egalitarians to prove every subset of humans on the planet has the same intelligence distribution. No one ever believed this idea throughout human history, in any culture, up until the mid-20th century and it is currently only believed by western leftists. It makes no sense from our understanding of evolutionary biology. Humans left Africa about 50,000 years ago, and since then inhabited vastly different environments, with vastly different selection pressure, selecting against different traits and resulting in distinct human haplogroups with different characteristics. Variations in skin color, height, weight, facial features, susceptibility to different diseases. By what theory is intelligence excluded from the dependent variables shaped by 50,000 years of disparate selection pressure?

      A casual examination of technological, cultural, and philosophical progress indicates different groups of humans have different raw intellectual abilities. Scientific study proves it, and while perhaps tests could be biased, they're not so biased to account for 30 point differences in IQ.

      By what mechanism did so much about humans change when they left Africa, but not intelligence? Is it a type of Creationist magic, where at that moment mankind was frozen in mental equivalence for all time, and then made immune to evolution thereafter while every other creature continued to be shaped by selection pressure?

      Prove to me that the average petrol-sniffing Australian aborigine is equally as intelligent as the average Japanese person. This seems like a preposterous claim on the face of it, and it is only the radical egalitarian left in the west that makes it (no Japanese, Indian, or Chinese scientist would attest to this, neither would an average African who does not share western leftist political ideology).

      It should be on the left to prove biological intellectual equivalence between the different ethnicities of man, and I don't see any evidence for it. Only emotional appeals and moral outrage. That is not a good argument.

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    26. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Todd Akin was a doctor?

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    27. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by nasch · · Score: 1

      Pick your source.

      Cute, make a claim and then ask others to support it.

    28. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Average IQ in Somalia is 68.

      Now, where's your proof every ethnic subgroup of humans has the same intelligence distribution?

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    29. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by crimson+tsunami · · Score: 1

      athiest materialist left? Lay off the crack pipe idiot.

    30. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Lay off the crack pipe idiot.

      Insults with no argument are a good tell for cognitive dissonance.

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    31. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by nasch · · Score: 1

      Average IQ in Somalia is 68 [iq-research.info].

      That is not the claim I was asking about.

      Now, where's your proof every ethnic subgroup of humans has the same intelligence distribution?

      Go find where I said that and then I'll prove it. (spoiler alert: I never said that)

    32. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by Reziac · · Score: 1

      Just watched this depressing video:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
      The salient point is in the last five minutes.

      But hardly surprising:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      Also, the usual IQ map shows Australia after colonization. Aboriginal IQ averages around 60. :(

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    33. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by pntkl · · Score: 1

      I think societies that embrace fiat currency lack a working concept of altruism. I also think that men tend to become murderously violent when forced to think--even possessing stellar IQs. Until that changes, man will never be capable of becoming his own species, dependent on no others.

    34. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      So were these particular grenades thrown by extremely tanned Russians then? Who happen to speak Somali instead of Russian? Huh. Crazy world, eh?

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    35. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Except they didn't make it up. They interpolated it based on the tested average IQs of the nearby nations. Is this not a reasonable technique for estimating mean IQ? Why or why not?

      Also, can you provide me with any evidence that the intelligence of the average Somalian (or people elsewhere in Africa) is not significantly different than that of Europeans or Asians? This seems to me to be the remarkable claim. You can observe the cultural, technological and philosophical progress of different groups of people through history and obviously conclude "these people here in the mud huts are not like these people here with the cathedrals, orchestras and airplanes." You can measure different skin tones, facial features, susceptibility to diseases, tolerance for lactose, heights, weights, and compare ethnic group A to ethnic group B and nobody bats an eye. State the completely obvious: "I don't think the people in the mud huts are as smart as the people who fly the rockets to the moon" and the left loses their damn minds.

      And the response is never to conduct scientific studies of their own to prove that no such intelligence difference exists. Wouldn't this be a remarkable feat! Racism, eternally blown the fuck out! Instead they just hand wave away the actual scientists with unsubstantiated claims of bias, or by making claims that an interpolated number is "made up." I wonder why that is?

      Onus is on you, friend. Prove the mud hut people aren't slightly less intelligent than the rocket ship people. In the meantime, you're betting the future of Sweden on your unproven (and remarkably unlikely) assumption that if you move Somalians into Malmo and give them Swedish education you produce tanned Swedes...rather than simply create Little Somali in Malmo. The grenade attacks, crime, and rapes seem to indicate the latter is result.

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    36. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      So interpolation is "making it up" now? They interpolated it based on the tested average IQs of the nearby nations. Is this not a reasonable technique for estimating mean IQ? Why or why not?

      Also, can you provide me with any evidence that the intelligence of the average Somalian (or people elsewhere in Africa) is not significantly different than that of Europeans or Asians? This seems to me to be the remarkable claim. You can observe the cultural, technological and philosophical progress of different groups of people through history and obviously conclude "these people here in the mud huts are not like these people here with the cathedrals, orchestras and airplanes." You can measure different skin tones, facial features, susceptibility to diseases, tolerance for lactose, heights, weights, and compare ethnic group A to ethnic group B and nobody bats an eye. State the completely obvious: "I don't think the people in the mud huts are as smart as the people who fly the rockets to the moon" and the left loses their damn minds.

      And the response is never to conduct scientific studies of their own to prove that no such intelligence difference exists. Wouldn't this be a remarkable feat! Racism, eternally blown the fuck out! Instead they just hand wave away the actual scientists with unsubstantiated claims of bias, or by making claims that an interpolated number is "made up." I wonder why that is?

      Onus is on you, friend. Prove the mud hut people aren't slightly less intelligent than the rocket ship people. In the meantime, you're betting the future of Sweden on your unproven (and remarkably unlikely) assumption that if you move Somalians into Malmo and give them Swedish education you produce tanned Swedes...rather than simply create Little Somali in Malmo. The grenade attacks, crime, and rapes seem to indicate the latter is result.

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    37. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      We need to define racism here. To me, the modern definition seems to be "acknowledging that more than superficial differences exist between different ethnic groups." That is, denying the biological equivalence of all groups of people is "racism" in 2017.

      This is different than saying that people of all races are human, have human rights, are equal in the eyes of God, or should be treated equally under the law.

      What made Jesus different and eventually split Christianity off is that it overruled some old Jewish teachings, including teachings on racism.

      You selectively quoted me, leaving out the very next statement "except to say that God is the God of all races."

      The teachings of Jesus on the matter could best be described as "non-Jews are human, too," which is hardly a call for equal rights or social standing between Jews, Greeks, Romans. And absolutely does not imply racial equivalence.

      Parable of Good Samaritan. The parable is basically about not to judge or treat people by their race.

      Agreed, but again, this is not a call for equality. He wasn't saying Samaritans were equally as morally upstanding as faithful Jews. If he were the story wouldn't even make any sense...there'd be nothing special about the general poor character of Samaritans to contrast with this particular Samaritan's behavior. He was saying it is by the way people act (like a good person) rather than by their kinship (a fucking Samaritan, can you believe it?!) that they will be judged. Again, common humanity, but not equivalence. If Jesus came back to Sweden today (and boy do they need Him) and told the story of "the good Somalian who found an unconscious white girl and, get this...I know, I know what you're going to say, no, he didn't rape her and throw grenades at her, he helped her instead!" I'm pretty sure He would get arrested for hate speech.The message is literally "they're not all like that, even though most totally are." This is not an egalitarian anti-racist message.

      Christianity led the charge in abolition

      And plenty argued slavery was justified by the bible, even "because race" (see curse of Ham).

      Were many abolitionists racial egalitarians? If you were at an abolitionist meeting in 1850 and said "slavery is abominable, no man should own another!" you'd get a cheer. Follow that up with "because the Negro is equivalent to the white man, and only differs superficially via skin color!" I'm pretty sure you'd get some confused looks and/or outright rage directed back at you. These people believed the practice of slavery was immoral (or unproductive), not that the white race and black race were the same. You can be opposed to enslaving another people without believing those people are equivalent to yours.

      Lincoln himself was no egalitarian, saying candidly to a group of black clergymen "You and we are different races. We have between us a broader difference than exists between almost any other two races. Whether it is right or wrong I need not discuss, but this physical difference is a great disadvantage to us both, as I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them, by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word, we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason at least why we should be separated."

      In his 1858 debate with Sen. Steven Douglas, Lincoln said, "And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." The "Party of Lincoln" was explicitly white supremacist and Lincoln planned to ship blacks back to Africa. When it comes to racism, Donald Trump ain't got nothing on Abe.

      Abolition was not about equality and certainly not equivalence.

      and civil r

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    38. Re:Wikileaks is just Assange by mathcreative · · Score: 1

      I only watched the last five minutes of the first video, and haven't been keeping track of this conversation that well. However I'm not a crybully and am willing to follow wherever the facts lead me. For instance even though I'm a man I am capable of accepting that girls brains are much more intelligent then boys **because that's what the science says** , and it's actually a glaring issue that the school system fails to realize even though we have MRI scans that show entire brain regions in girls brains that don't exist in males brains until 20 years of age. We've suspected this for at least nearlily half a century. Now that we have machines **take pictures of people's brains** we can't avoid the overwhelming proof. [source](http://www.amren.com/news/2014/01/girls-really-do-mature-quicker-than-boys-scientists-find/) >;“Around 10 to 12 you start to see a lot of activity in the brains of girls as this pruning takes place, but it was between 15 to 20 for boys. Girls brain's resemble young women's brain's a **decade** sooner then boys Going back on topic have you considered that cultures with high temperatures tend to run more slowly? If you go the white south you'll find southerners complaining about how everyone in the north always talks so fast. As for why blacks in the US are doing so poorly check out this interview on [the rubin report](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFqVNPwsLNo&t=6s) where a black guy explains how it's not racism that's keeping black people out. It's the fact that black family's usually lack fathers. Father's have a miracle like impact on a child's life:https://thefatherlessgeneration.wordpress.com/statistics/ In particularly for sons. Men tend to be the ones who drive societies structurally.

  11. Re:Where are the Russia/China/N Korea tools? by guruevi · · Score: 1

    The Americans make plenty of people disappear both foreign and domestic. You could've claimed the same during the Cold War, where are the Russian missiles and subs - turns out they never had quite as much as they claimed. North Korea can't even put a rocket together, something American engineers do for fun and games in their back yard.

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  12. Turmp complains about wire tapps, just ask the NSA by SysEngineer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The NSA records every phone call, every email, every SMS and most web access, especially foreign people. Obama did not have to order a special wire tapp (Trump's spelling), it is done routinely. Trump may have shot himself in the foot by making surveillance an issue. Everybody does not like being under surveillance so I will throw the canned response back at this administration, "If you have nothing to hide, why complain about surveillance?"
    I expect privacy and anonymity, but I know I do not have right.

  13. Attack vectors have been known for a while ... by arit · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth, many of these attack vectors have been known for a while (see https://www.degruyter.com/view...) - it was only a matter of desire for someone to weaponize them.

  14. Re:Where are the Russia/China/N Korea tools? by Tokolosh · · Score: 1

    Er, drone strikes, renditions, black sites, Guantanamo, waterboarding, parallel construction....

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  15. Your CPU is running a backdoor right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    *3 Billion devices run JAVA* because everyone's motherboard is running it.

    32c3 Intel CPU backdoor live hack demonstration, keystrokes logged and sent over wire, wireshark can't detect packet because the Intel backdoor runs above the OS:
    Towards (reasonably) trustworthy x86 laptops

    REcon 2014 - Intel Management Engine Secrets

    Tools to remove Intel backdoor firmware (The backdoor firmware sits outside the BIOS, you need to physically clip onto a 8pin chip on motherboards to download/neutralize/flash the rom, nothing else can touch it):
    https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner.

    Neutralize your Intel backdoor:

    Neutralize ME firmware on SandyBridge and IvyBridge platforms

    First introduced in Intelâ(TM)s 965 Express Chipset Family, the Intel Management Engine (ME) is a separate computing environment physically located in the (G)MCH chip (for Core 2 family CPUs which is separate from the northbridge), or PCH chip replacing ICH(for Core i3/i5/i7 which is integrated with northbridge).

    The ME consists of an individual processor core, code and data caches, a timer, and a secure internal bus to which additional devices are connected, including a cryptography engine, internal ROM and RAM, memory controllers, and a direct memory access (DMA) engine to access the host operating systemâ(TM)s memory as well as to reserve a region of protected external memory to supplement the MEâ(TM)s limited internal RAM. The ME also has network access with its own MAC address through the Intel Gigabit Ethernet Controller integrated in the southbridge (ICH or PCH).

    The Intel Management Engine with its proprietary firmware has complete access to and control over the PC: it can power on or shut down the PC, read all open files, examine all running applications, track all keys pressed and mouse movements, and even capture or display images on the screen. And it has a network interface that is demonstrably insecure, which can allow an attacker on the network to inject rootkits that completely compromise the PC and can report to the attacker all activities performed on the PC. It is a threat to freedom, security, and privacy that canâ(TM)t be ignored.

    https://hackaday.com/tag/intel-management-engine/

    Five or so years ago, Intel rolled out something horrible. Intelâ(TM)s Management Engine (ME) is a completely separate computing environment running on Intel chipsets that has access to everything. The ME has network access, access to the host operating system, memory, and cryptography engine. The ME can be used remotely even if the PC is powered off. If that sounds scary, it gets even worse: no one knows what the ME is doing, and we canâ(TM)t even look at the code. When â" not âifâ(TM) â" the ME is finally cracked open, every computer running on a recent Intel chip will have a huge security and privacy issue. Intelâ(TM)s Management Engine is the single most dangerous piece of computer hardware ever created.

    Intel Active Management Technology

    Almost all AMT features are available even if the PC is in a powered-off state but with its power cord attached, if the operating system has crashed, if the software agent is missing, or if hardware (such as a hard drive or memory) has failed.[1][2] The console-redirection feature (SOL), agent presence checking, and network traffic filters are available after the PC is powered up.[1][2]

    The Management Engine (ME) is an isolated and protected co

    1. Re:Your CPU is running a backdoor right now by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      Thanks APK!

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    2. Re: Your CPU is running a backdoor right now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Thank you for the information! Does AMD do anything similar that you are aware of?

    3. Re: Your CPU is running a backdoor right now by thegarbz · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yep it's called PSP instead of IME.

    4. Re: Your CPU is running a backdoor right now by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The AMD version is even worse, because you can't nuke it. At least with the Intel Management Engine you can delete most of the modules from its ROM, leaving only the core stuff needed to boot the machine.

      Systems hidden inside systems are going to be an increasingly big problem. The Playstation 4 has an entire BSD OS running on an ARM CPU, parallel to the main x86 BSD OS that runs games etc, mainly just do that it can download updates while turned "off". Presumably the XBOne has something similar.

      Think about that for a moment. A hidden OS running on a hidden CPU, with network access, downloading patches for games and the primary OS. What could possibly go wrong?

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    5. Re: Your CPU is running a backdoor right now by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Think about that for a moment. A hidden OS running on a hidden CPU, with network access, downloading patches for games and the primary OS. What could possibly go wrong?

      I did think about it. I always spent extra money to buy computers with these features. Personally I'm happy that it's not included as part of the CPU so I no longer need to spend money on enterprise motherboards.

  16. No indication CIA can break Signal encryption by WML+MUNSON · · Score: 2

    The article summary is a bit misleading. There is no indication that the CIA can break Signal's encryption or intercept its communications in-transit.

    Wikileaks' press release states that the CIA can root mobile devices, which then allows them to intercept Signal communications *before* encryption is applied.

  17. It's all coming true by neurovish · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can I be the first to say:
    In CIA America, TV watches YOU!

    I feel like I may already be too late though.

    1. Re:It's all coming true by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      oh you poor sweet summer child.

      It's not that they literally can't.

      It's that they legally can't.

      But that's more of a guideline than a hard-set rule.

  18. Re:Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Market forces are exactly what you want in play when you're lying on a gurney in the emergency room; that way people won't be saved for a penny less than they or their families value their lives.

  19. So, tl;dr by SharpFang · · Score: 1

    HOW did CIA break these encryptions? Some vulnerabilities, enormous number-crunching farm, a quantum computer, or did they find N=PN solution? Or did they waterboard the makers of the compromised software until they gave them the private keys?

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    1. Re:So, tl;dr by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      They are talking about a bypass, not a break. So that's most likely vulnerabilities.
      For example : tricking the software into silently switching into a non-secure mode, stealing keys using a trojan, exploiting convenient features such as password recovery, etc...

    2. Re:So, tl;dr by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Just from the press releases, it sounds like they didn't break encryption but bypass the need to. That's something that exploits allow them to do. Isn't that the basis of Privilege Escalation?

    3. Re:So, tl;dr by Bob+the+Super+Hamste · · Score: 1

      My best guess is implementation flaws as that is the most common. Even with a quantum computer you are still looking at ocean boiling levels of energy with the most efficient current computers. Even on an ideal quantum computer you would need a sizeable fraction of the total US annual energy consumption (I believe it is about 10%).

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    4. Re:So, tl;dr by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Some vulnerabilities, enormous number-crunching farm, a quantum computer, or did they find N=PN solution?

      That's more like the NSA than the CIA. Not that they can't cooperate.

      Or did they waterboard the makers of the compromised software until they gave them the private keys?

      That sounds more like the CIA.

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  20. Indeed, how do YOU know? by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Wikileaks is one of the few remaining upstanding journalistic organizations. .

    The fact that you don't like how the US operates does not in and of itself prove that Wikileads is as upstanding as you hope. Take a look at Russia and China. Can you and I at least agree that those countries have their own problems of various kinds? Don't you find it funny that nobody, not one single person, who lives there and has access to their secrets is willing to send them to Wikileaks? Back in the old days of the USSR, the US was able to find Soviet citizens who would risk their lives to pass on information to the US and not for profit. Why is it that today nobody seems willing to leak documentation on Russia and China? It's not difficult to find born and raised in China people who aren't very fond of their government. So I wonder could it possibly be that people actually are submitting leaks from Russia and China and Wikipedia isn't publishing them? I don't know. But I think anybody who blindly supports Wikileaks as the champion of right should wonder why it seems that only leaks from the USA (and apparently Saudi Arabia once) make it there.

    1. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Possibly. Also, possibly, nobody gives a shit because every Russian and Chinaman (and everyone else) already knows their governments have bugged their assholes. "The corrupt commie governments are doing corrupt commie shit!" isn't exactly breaking news.

      There is zero evidence WikiLeaks is compromised by Putin. There is zero evidence Trump is compromised by Putin. If anything the "Putin is super powerful and can haxx0r the whole planet and everyone's minds!!!" narrative is the Russian propaganda to make Putin seem far, far more powerful than he actually is. In reality, Russia is a paper tiger (bear?) with a GDP smaller than that of Spain. The left needs a boogeyman to distract from their failures and they're happy to buy right into Putin's propaganda and spread it for him.

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    2. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Wikileaks has leaked plenty of stuff from Russia before. But the juicy stuff is in Cyrillic and it's Russian so no one cares.

      https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Category:Russia

      Nice attempt at spreading FUD over the single news organization with an unblemished record, though. Who do you work for? ShareBlue or the spooks?

    3. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by david_thornley · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is zero evidence WikiLeaks is compromised by Putin.

      It doesn't have to be to be very useful to Putin. If he has a third party pass on stuff to Assange, Assange serves as a very useful cutout to avoid tracing the leak back.

      There is zero evidence Trump is compromised by Putin.

      False. Trump's team is known to have had contacts with Russian officials. Trump is trying to change US foreign policy to be pro-Russia. We know the Trump empire has had a lot of dealings with Russia. There isn't any strong evidence, which is very likely because Trump and associates are doing their best to avoid handing over any evidence that might bear on this, which is consistent with them being compromised. This would normally call for an investigation, but neither Trump nor congressional Republicans want one.

      Putin wields a great deal of power in Russia, and I'd expect Russia to have good hackers. While the Soviet Union was economically and technologically backward compared to the West, it had really, really good mathematicians and theoretical scientists. In the meantime, Russia's economic problems have not stopped Russia from military aggression. Russia is more of a threat than its GDP would suggest.

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    4. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by lyovushka · · Score: 1

      So I wonder could it possibly be that people actually are submitting leaks from Russia and China and Wikipedia isn't publishing them?

      Wikipedia has nothing to do with wikileaks.

    5. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by Rakarra · · Score: 1

      Wikileaks has leaked plenty of stuff from Russia before. But the juicy stuff is in Cyrillic and it's Russian so no one cares.

      Wikileaks has not leaked anything juicy about Russia since the Swedes wanted to bring him up on criminal charges and Putin simultaneously started praising him. Strangely, those Russian leaks dried up right quick, and Assange mysteriously forgot about the trove of Russian documents he said was impending before those events.

    6. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      "Contacts with" is still zero evidence of compromise. And the left has re-defined "pro-Russia" to mean "anything short of immediately nuking Moscow."

      The left is desperate and grasping at straws. What you are experiencing is confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance induced hallucinations. I will not join you in your paranoid delusions.

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    7. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by vinlud · · Score: 1

      Possibly. Also, possibly, nobody gives a shit because every Russian and Chinaman (and everyone else) already knows their governments have bugged their assholes. "The corrupt commie governments are doing corrupt commie shit!" isn't exactly breaking news.

      Agree

      There is zero evidence WikiLeaks is compromised by Putin.

      Agree

      There is zero evidence Trump is compromised by Putin.

      While I agree he is unlikely to be 'compromised' aka a Putin puppet, there are plenty of signals that he is at least influenced by Putin and the question remains why? All the pre-election contacts, public outcries of admiration, financial interests and lack of financial transparancy on behalf of mr Trump warrant an investigation. Especially considering the minor relevance of Russia for trade. Trump is the one who has been making public statements of support for Russia over and over again, why is his team so focused on it instead of China?

      If anything the "Putin is super powerful and can haxx0r the whole planet and everyone's minds!!!" narrative is the Russian propaganda to make Putin seem far, far more powerful than he actually is. In reality, Russia is a paper tiger (bear?) with a GDP smaller than that of Spain.

      Also agree

      The left needs a boogeyman to distract from their failures and they're happy to buy right into Putin's propaganda and spread it for him.

      This is where you completely derail into fantasy. The 'left' (if such a homogeneous thing exists) doesn't need Putin at all as a boogeyman and Putin has done plenty of stuff that anyone with some common sense views him as not just some regular democratically elected head of state but as a dictator that has shown to have no limits to remain in power.

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    8. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      While I agree he is unlikely to be 'compromised' aka a Putin puppet, there are plenty of signals that he is at least influenced by Putin and the question remains why?

      I think you're coming from the left's default position of "Putin is a monster so no one can possibly be neutral or pro-Putin unless they're under his sway." There are lots of bad guys in the world that the left and media doesn't seem to really give a shit about. Saudi Arabia. China. So one can say "we'll work with our Saudi Arabian allies to fight terrorism" and nobody bats an eye, but say "we will work with Russia to fight terrorism" and everyone loses their minds. Putin's not a good guy, but he's not throwing gays off rooftops, beheading apostates, stuffing women into sacks or sponsoring terrorism.

      All the pre-election contacts, public outcries of admiration, financial interests and lack of financial transparancy on behalf of mr Trump warrant an investigation.

      What "pre-election contacts?" These don't exist with regards to the Trump organization, or if you're talking about cabinet members are incidental to their jobs and are an exercise in confirmation bias. Yes, Jeff Sessions made chit-chat with the Russian ambassador at a cocktail party...along with some 30 other ambassadors and senators. It's part of their jobs as senators. Yes, Rex Tillerson did oil business with Russian companies. Also, pretty much every other nation on the planet as Exxon is a global energy producer. In order to find anything odd about these interactions you have to start with the conclusion "Trump and Russia are up to no good" and then hunt for "clues." You can't possibly start from a minor campaign surrogate meeting with 30 ambassadors and conclude there's something nefarious going on with this one specifically.

      As for "public outcries of admiration," Trump is very simple: if you say nice things about him, he will say nice things about you. If you say mean things about him, he will say mean things about you. This encourages people to say nice things about him and not say mean things about him, which is useful in persuading an electorate to vote for him. Putin said nice things about Trump, so Trump said nice things about Putin. I think this is rather pleasant because I would like there to be peace between our nations. I see no reason for the US and Russia to be enemies. We have a common enemy in Islamic jihad, and I would much rather Russia expend their blood and treasure stomping terrorists in their backyard than us doing it. However, the media twists "Wouldn't it be nice if we got along with Russia?" into a "public outcry of admiration." Essentially anything that isn't "NUKE MOSCOW RIGHT NOW" is "pro-Russia." Why is it not possible to be "Russia-neutral?"

      Especially considering the minor relevance of Russia for trade.

      Exactly. Why does anyone give a shit what Russia does in Russia's sphere of influence? The USSR was a threat because they were bent on global ideological domination. I see no indication Putin has world domination desires. The main interest we should have with Russia is our common interest of blowing up hadjis.

      Trump is the one who has been making public statements of support for Russia over and over again, why is his team so focused on it instead of China?

      I don't think he is. I think that's the lens of the news media. During pretty much every rally speech Trump talks about how "China is ripping us off on trade!" and yesterday Wilbur Ross imposed a $1.9 billion fine on Chinese company ZTE for violating trade sanctions on exports to North Korea and Iran and there's not a peep out of the media. But if Trump even utters the word "Russia" it dominates the news cycle for 3 days. I don't think Trump gives a shit about Russia except that he'd like them to spend their money on their bombs to drop on ragheads, and that's about it. The media are the ones fixated on Russia.

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    9. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      "Contacts with" is evidence of wrongdoing when the contacts are kept secret.

      "Pro-Russia" in this context means "supports the Russian armed intervention in Ukraine".

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    10. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      "Contacts with" is evidence of wrongdoing when the contacts are kept secret.

      Except they're not. There's nothing secret about any of the contacts between the Trump administration/campaign and Russians.

      "Pro-Russia" in this context means "supports the Russian armed intervention in Ukraine".

      Can't you also not give a fuck? Ukraine is not our ally, not part of NATO, not part of the EU.

      You are anti-Russia for...reasons I don't know. Neither I nor Trump are pro-Russia. We are Russia-neutral, but you have redefined neutrality to be support. That's your bias, not ours.

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    11. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Except that we've had some cases of Trump associates having dealings with the Russians that only showed up later under investigation. Had they had contacts, and said they'd had contacts, and said what they were about, there would have been no grounds for suspicion (assuming they told the truth and didn't overstep).

      Ukraine is not an ally of the US, true. That doesn't mean we should favor Russian attack and annexation. That's behavior we want to discourage in general.

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    12. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      Except that we've had some cases of Trump associates having dealings with the Russians that only showed up later under investigation. Had they had contacts, and said they'd had contacts, and said what they were about, there would have been no grounds for suspicion (assuming they told the truth and didn't overstep).

      It's not like they were secret, though. They were routine, and therefore not worth mentioning, but the "investigations" involved...looking at publicly available records. This is not Deep Throat. Manafort never hid his consulting job for the pro-Russian Ukrainians, and Sessions' chats with ambassadors in his role as a senator are public record.

      A friend of mine's wife would find a business card with a woman's name on it in his wallet and say that proved he was cheating. That he ran a commercial landscaping business that kept grounds at an apartment complex for which the 60 year old, 200lb woman was the property manager was irrelevant to her.

      That doesn't mean we should favor Russian attack and annexation. That's behavior we want to discourage in general.

      The US is not the world's policeman. No one is "favoring" Russian annexation. We're just not caring. Again, you've taken an anti-Russia stance, and are accusing anyone who isn't as anti-Russia as you are as being "pro-Russia." This is Bush (or Anakin Skywalker) tier "If you're not with me you're against me" false dichotomy.

      You can sit here and hallucinate Russian spies under your bed all you want but I'm not joining your delusions. You'll notice there's basically nobody who wasn't already anti-Trump who's come around and said "gosh, I thought these Russian allegations were crap, but now after the 12th time the NY Times has cited 'anonymous sources' and twisted routine contact between the administration and Russian diplomats into sensationalist headlines I'm totally convinced!"

      We've both analyzed the same data and come to different conclusions. One of us is wrong. Usually, though, the one claiming to see the dancing pink elephants is the one hallucinating, not the one who doesn't see the dancing pink elephants. That is, humans tend to hallucinate seeing things that aren't there, not hallucinate away things that really are there. The Russian conspiracy theories exist in your mind as wishful thinking, but are not real.

      By the way, I'd love to hear your thoughts on allegations Obama is a secret muslim because of his time in a muslim school, his frequent praise for the Islamic faith, and friendly relations with Islamic groups like CAIR. I'm sure you're just as convinced Obama is a muslim agent as you are that Trump is a Russian agent.

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    13. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      This is getting ridiculous, but....

      I'm maintaining that there are grounds for investigation, and noting that the Trump administration is being secretive about anything that might shine light on Russian connections. Trump isn't a Russian agent, but there is legitimate reason to suspect that Russia may have influence over him. We need to know that.

      Russia invaded the Ukraine, annexed part of it with a vote as phony as the Austrian annexation vote in 1938, and has military forces operating in East Ukraine. Disapproving of this behavior, and imposing sanctions, is not being anti-Russia. Someone supporting Russia in aggressive warfare is being pro-Russian, or possibly wanting a return to the bad old days. Neutrality involves condemning the Russian actions that deserve condemnation, and acting accordingly.

      I am unaware of good evidence of dancing pink elephants. I am aware that Russia has good hackers, that Putin would like to mess with US support for NATO, and that Putin has no scruples. From this, it's very reasonable to expect Putin to try to influence the US election, and Putin's not the type of guy to keep strict distinctions between government and non-government activity. Which of these statements do you specifically disagree with?

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    14. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      there is legitimate reason to suspect that Russia may have influence over him.

      What is the legitimate reason? "Well it sounds like something Putin would want to have" isn't a legitimate reason. Putin would want influence over Hillary Clinton, too. Is that a legitimate reason to suspect that Russia has influence over her?

      We need to know that.

      I can't prove a negative, so I can't prove he's not secretly mind controlled by Putin. That means it's on you to show some evidence, and when there is zero evidence, that indicates you're hallucinating.

      with a vote as phony as the Austrian annexation vote in 1938

      Are there no legitimate reasons Crimeans would want to be part of Russia instead of Ukraine? You'll notice they're not really making any fuss over it. There are no Crimean separatist groups fighting against the evil illegitimate occupation by Russian forces. Their elected government had a coup that included neo-nazis holding marches at the tombs of anti-Russian heroes and they removed Russian (the language most Crimeans speak) from the official languages of Ukraine. Color me shocked that the ethnic Russian Crimeans don't want to be ruled by anti-Russian Ukrainian ethno-nationalists. Next comes the ethnic cleansing. And are you suggesting the Crimeans be forced back under Ukrainian rule against their will? Why?

      I am aware that Russia has good hackers, that Putin would like to mess with US support for NATO, and that Putin has no scruples. From this, it's very reasonable to expect Putin to try to influence the US election, and Putin's not the type of guy to keep strict distinctions between government and non-government activity. Which of these statements do you specifically disagree with?

      I don't disagree with any of those statements. What is bullshit, though, is pushing the narrative on zero evidence using only wild speculation that Trump is somehow controlled by or compromised by Putin. You're scaring the stupids and trying to undermine the legitimacy of the US government for political reasons. I absolutely agree Putin would rather have Trump in office than Hillary, because Hillary's State Department armed the moderate beheaders in Syria and on the campaign trail Hillary said she would make removing Putin's ally Assad a top priority and her support for a no-fly zone in Syria, which means possibly shooting down Russian planes. No shit Putin wants anyone other than Hillary.

      Oh, and Hillary held these opinions because she was being paid by KSA and Qatar so they could get their pipeline. You want to talk about "foreign influence?" Nothing about US involvement in the Syrian civil war was in the national interest of the United States. You're making wild speculation, with no evidence with regards to Trump while ignoring the clear and obvious foreign influence over Hillary.

      Trump: no evidence of foreign control. Also not taking pro-Russian actions.

      Hillary: Millions of dollars in payments from KSA and Qatar. Directly funded insurrection in Syria in the interests of KSA and Qatar.

      If you were rooting for Hillary and against Trump, I don't believe you really give a shit about foreign influence over US leaders.

      For the sake of argument, assume the DNC was hacked and Podesta was phished by Putin himself. If libertarian-leaning, anti-interventionist Rand Paul had been the Republican nominee instead of Trump, do you think Putin would have still released the hacked/phished emails? If you think he would have, does that mean Rand Paul is also under Putin's thumb? If so, can you give me the short list of US elected officials who are not being blackmailed or bought off by Putin?

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    15. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      Since most of this is futile, I'll just address Crimean and aggressive war.

      Putin annexed the Crimea and held a faked plebiscite to support it. There is no way that was an honest vote. Regardless of how many Crimeans wanted what government arrangement, it was flat-out annexation in an aggressive war. This is the sort of thing we want to discourage.

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    16. Re:Indeed, how do YOU know? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      And none of that would have happened if State/CIA and western NGOs hadn't backed a violent coup to overthrow the democratically elected pro-Russian Ukrainian government. Perhaps Putin's trying to discourage that sort of behavior?

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  21. Appropriate headline: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Russian intelligence released CIA secret hacking tools and spy operations through it's website, wikileaks.

  22. Re:Zero Chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    No, the reason we need no exploits for Drumpf's phone is that he'll just put all those things he shouldn't say directly on twitter.

  23. Intel CPU backdoors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    NSA/CIA/GCHQ Shills kept down voting this from Score 3:

    Your Intel CPU is backdoored and it is wide open, right now.

    The backdoor is on all modern intel CPU/Chipset and is marketed as vPro/AMT/Small Business Advantage/Anti-Theft Technology.

    Remember *3 Billion devices run JAVA* because everyone's motherboard is running it.

    REcon 2014 - Intel Management Engine Secrets

    CCC Intel CPU backdoor live hack demonstration, keystrokes logged and sent over wire, wireshark can't detect packet because the Intel backdoor runs above the OS:
    30C3 To Protect And Infect - The militarization of the Internet
    Jacob Appelbaum - To Protect and Infect Part 2 - At 30c3 on Mass Surveillance Tools & Software
    Towards (reasonably) trustworthy x86 laptops

    Tools to remove Intel backdoor firmware (You need to physically clip onto a 8pins chip on motherboards to download/neutralize/flash the rom, nothing else can touch it):
    https://github.com/corna/me_cleaner.

    Neutralize your Intel backdoor:

    Neutralize ME firmware on SandyBridge and IvyBridge platforms

    First introduced in Intelâ(TM)s 965 Express Chipset Family, the Intel Management Engine (ME) is a separate computing environment physically located in the (G)MCH chip (for Core 2 family CPUs which is separate from the northbridge), or PCH chip replacing ICH(for Core i3/i5/i7 which is integrated with northbridge).

    The ME consists of an individual processor core, code and data caches, a timer, and a secure internal bus to which additional devices are connected, including a cryptography engine, internal ROM and RAM, memory controllers, and a direct memory access (DMA) engine to access the host operating systemâ(TM)s memory as well as to reserve a region of protected external memory to supplement the MEâ(TM)s limited internal RAM. The ME also has network access with its own MAC address through the Intel Gigabit Ethernet Controller integrated in the southbridge (ICH or PCH).

    The Intel Management Engine with its proprietary firmware has complete access to and control over the PC: it can power on or shut down the PC, read all open files, examine all running applications, track all keys pressed and mouse movements, and even capture or display images on the screen. And it has a network interface that is demonstrably insecure, which can allow an attacker on the network to inject rootkits that completely compromise the PC and can report to the attacker all activities performed on the PC. It is a threat to freedom, security, and privacy that canâ(TM)t be ignored.

    https://hackaday.com/tag/intel-management-engine/

    Five or so years ago, Intel rolled out something horrible. Intelâ(TM)s Management Engine (ME) is a completely separate computing environment running on Intel chipsets that has access to everything. The ME has network access, access to the host operating system, memory, and cryptography engine. The ME can be used remotely even if the PC is powered off. If that sounds scary, it gets even worse: no one knows what the ME is doing, and we canâ(TM)t even look at the code. When â" not âifâ(TM) â" the ME is finally cracked open, every computer running on a recent Intel chip will have a huge security and privacy issue. Intelâ(TM)s Management Engine is the single most dangerous piece of computer hardware ever created.

    1. Re:Intel CPU backdoors by networkBoy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Tools to remove Intel backdoor firmware (You need to physically clip onto a 8pins chip on motherboards to download/neutralize/flash the rom, nothing else can touch it)

      Not actually true. You can politely ask the ME to overwrite itself with the FPT.exe or FPTw.exe (dos/windows version). There is also a uEFI and Linux version available, but they're much harder to source.

      The SPI ROM of the system contains 4 regions (normally):
      * BIOS (just what it says)
      * ME (the manageability engine, required to have a min set of features present to boot newer platforms)
      * GbE (your MAC address and the magic numbers for configuring the PHY/MAC are here)
      * OEM (Things like OEM product keys, service tags, etc.

      Now, that min sku that is required to boot the platform in the ME region contains:
      CPU uCode patch
      Power config profiles
      (I really don't remember what else, but it is quite benign)

      What the min sku doesn't contain:
      AMT (advanced management technology: The remote power on/off setting sleep states etc.)
      SOL/IDER (Serial Over LAN / IDE Redirection: essentially the ability to load a local (to you) HDD image to the remote machine and boot to it over lan, rather than the remote machine's local HDD)
      KVM (just what you would think)

      So, in a nutshell, if you're afraid of the big bad ME, then buy min sku'd parts. Avoid Q series (as those have everything enabled).

      The ARC processor is gone BTW, replaced with Tiny IA. Licencing on the ARC and the fact that Intel was shipping an ARM CPU with every board... yeah, not popular internally. The signed Java operations is dead. AFAIK it never shipped live, though there was a hell of a push for it. Customers (Dell, HP, Lenovo) liked it but didn't want to deal with what was involved and most importantly wanted it for free...

      Out of band ethernet for ME was killed off in the transition from ARC to TinyIA.

        And finally, it's not all horrible:
      This feature was designed for corporate users, basically putting a RILO card embedded into every corp desktop. From that perspective it's actually a really cool feature. Now, that it was so tightly integrated was Intel's way of making sure the OEMs bought it. Security was taken *VERY* seriously about this entire environment. Intel knows that if this was breached in a big bad way it would be devastating for it's customers, and thus for it as well.

      Any other questions?

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    2. Re:Intel CPU backdoors by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Informative

      LOL, I don't know why you idiots kept saying it's for "Corporate" chip only when the thing is in all chips marketed under different "features"

      As I had noted, the min Sku is required, but doesn't contain the "bad stuff"TM, it only has CPU uCode patch and Power config profiles, it shuts down the system for several reasons, the most notable is that Intel doesn't want unpatched uCode CPUs out there. The other notable reason is so that they could tell a particular customer (NDA'd) that they *had* to have it to boot, so why not just use the whole thing? That was a total marketing ploy, but ended up being nice for engineering, because we only had to support *one* FW kernel that way. There is a TON of overhead supporting multiple FW kernels, making it only one allowed us to move many people onto more useful projects, rather than parallel teams doing the same basic thing.

      Show me the source code of the so called "FPT.exe" "FPTw.exe", what it actually does, do you have a before and after ROM comparison?

      I'd love to, *but* I'd have to violate an NDA I signed when I left

      Stop parroting Intel sales and look at the problem.

      Hahahahahaha, I'm not parroting sales. I'm speaking from my having spent 6 years working on that project, from Version 3.2 through Version 11, at which point I left the company.

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    3. Re:Intel CPU backdoors by losfromla · · Score: 1

      This looks like the kind of thing I would rather not know about cause I want to sleep at night and already have a shit-ton of other things that I keep in mind.

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    4. Re:Intel CPU backdoors by Hussman32 · · Score: 1

      I guess the real question is when someone should go through this effort? I mean, I know my browser history is tracked, as is my location through my phone, and probably what I'm doing at night as my phone sits on the charger...what will this protect that other sources don't reveal.

      Man, to think 20 years ago I only imagined that the government, and now anyone who has the tools, could track my every word and movement, and then I would put away my TFH.

      Now it is a reality.

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    5. Re:Intel CPU backdoors by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Well, the way I see it (and from my experience with the firmware) if you *don't* want the active parts of the Intel ME, then just put a min sku (or at least the 1.5 meg version) on your platform. That kills the majority of what people are up in arms about.
      That much is easy to do, low risk, and accomplishes what people say they want: disable the active ME content.

      I get that there are some that feel that it should *all* be taken off, but seriously, your platform won't be stable without it.
      Modern systems run on firmware. The ME aggregates a ton of what used to be little firmwaree pieces and puts them in a common runtime. It's not rocket science.

      Things that used to be stand alone (and are all needed for optimum performance, or even boot in some cases):
      PMIC
      PMC
      Thermal
      PECI
      CPU uCode patch
      ACPI support (S3, S4)
      and I'm sure I'm forgetting plenty of other stuff that I just didn't even think about on a day to day.

      It's the platform firmware version of systemd on linux. (and there are plenty of people that hate it too, so.... )

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    6. Re:Intel CPU backdoors by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      Unless they inserted it after the build and signing process (which I will agree is certainly possible, though I feel highly improbable) I happen to actually know what is in that blob, what that blob is capable of supporting, and (as of 8 months ago) what the roadmap for that blob is.

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  24. Re: Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hell yeah! It is time to start paying the people who save lives serious money. Wait, the doctor's pay isn't going up, is it?

  25. Re:Zero Chance by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    No need for zero-day exploits when Donnie's using a four-year-old Samsung that's probably got more holes than Jeff Sessions' Congress testimony.

    Now, now. Jeff was "honest and correct as he understood it at the time."

    ( I can't wait to use that excuse myself sometime, 'cause, if it was good enough for the Attorney General of the US (under oath) and The Congress doesn't care, I don't see why I should be held to a higher standard. )

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  26. Wikileaks based in Moscow- More Russian Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Russia tries to further discredit the US.
    Hit the snooze button.

  27. "CIA has tools to bypass the encryption mechanisms by wiredog · · Score: 1

    Not exactly. If the CIA (or anyone) hacks the phone, they can install keyloggers, which can grab data before it gets encrypted. They can also install screen readers that can see incoming messages after they've been decrypted.

    In other words, if they can look over your shoulder, you're not secure.

  28. Samsung Smart TV's infected by lowkeyknight · · Score: 1

    Well. That would be the closest to a realistic explanation I've got as to why mine is so damn slow and buggy!

  29. Re:NYT reported it by MatthiasF · · Score: 4, Informative

    Your reading comprehension skills are terrible. Very first sentence of the article:

    "The NY Times reported that wiretaps of people on the Trump team"

    TRUMP TEAM. No where in either article mentioned does it say that Trump himself or Trump Tower was wire tapped. It's like you people don't even read...at all. I mean, it's EVEN IN THE HEADLINE TOO.

    Another AC spewing pro-Trump, pro-Putin lies. FSB running in over-drive.

  30. Re:Zero Chance by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Funny

    The President doesn't need the spooks' technological spying techniques. That's what he's got Breitbart and Fox for!

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  31. Re:Notice all the things happening at once? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Republican propaganda machine

    You mean...enacting the agenda on which the President ran, and for which his voters cast their ballots?

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  32. What's their job again? by HeckRuler · · Score: 1, Interesting

    "Well they're the CIA, that's their job right?"

    What really bugs me about this sort of thing is that they're charged with keeping America safe. THAT'S their job. And I fully understand that to keep us safe, the state has to make certain other people very much unsafe. In the dead sort of way. Sad but true. And towards that end the CIA has developed weapons to help them with that.

    But these are weapons that can be used against us. Zero-day exploits. Unknown vulnerabilities in critical systems that US citizens and officials and generals use on a daily basis.

    Do they think they're the only ones who found these exploits?

    Has the CIA made any effort to fix these exploits? To help the maintainers patch up the holes? I don't know. It's hard to know anything about the CIA. But I doubt it since they had a pile of zero-day exploits. The nature of the weapon is that it goes away if other people know about it.

    By not being ethical hackers, and keeping these exploits secret and useable for themselves, they've traded DEFENSE of the USA for their own OFFENSIVE capabilities. Which runs counter to their stated goal.

    1. Re:What's their job again? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

      > "Well they're the CIA, that's their job right?"

      Nope. This is a common misconception. Their job is to protect (and enrich) the US Federal government, not the US people. Thats also true of the police. Their job is to enforce the law, which is written to do the same thing. They really aren't (and can't/won't be) there to protect your ass. Thats just one of the reasons why the 2nd amendment is so important.

    2. Re:What's their job again? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      they're charged with keeping America safe. THAT'S their job.

      C'mon, now, you're not in seventh grade. Their job is to project American power for the benefit of the ruling class, the Federal Reserve system, and the military-industrial complex.

      It's so obvious by now that the onus to produce evidence is now on those who would claim otherwise.

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    3. Re:What's their job again? by JustNiz · · Score: 1

      >> Do they think they're the only ones who found these exploits?

      I'm reminded of this interview with Gary Mckinnon (Scottish hacker of US government systems).
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      The way he got into multiple US government systems was with a simple script that just tried logging into the windows adminstrator account with an empty password. Guess what, it worked MANY times.

      at around 3:00 he said that while he was logged into these supposedly secure Pentagon, NASA and other US government systems, netstat ususally showed that there was a "permanent tennancy of other hackers" from around the world from IP addresses originating in Turkey, Germany, Holland, etc.

  33. 7z over GPG by Wizy · · Score: 1

    As joepie91 states on Twitter:
    Joepie91

    Highly suspect that @wikileaks switched from GPG to 7z for releases, and explicitly says to decrypt using `7z`. Suggests an exploit. #Vault7

    If I had a 7z vulnerability and I wanted to target/compromise "techie crowd interested in leaks", this is *precisely* what I'd do. #Vault7

  34. Re:Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Then wouldn't it be more efficient for healthcare companies to institute a kind of ransom situation ... "We have your daughter. Pay us $500,000 within 48 hours or she will die!"

    Then either the family will raise the money, or the body can be harvested for organs.... the market wins either way.

  35. Re:Zero Chance by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Mod me flamebait if you will, but that's how Trump got to "I was wiretapped!" Via a conspiracy theory from a right wing radio host that Breitbarts picked up and Fox ran with. We have a man at the top of the one of the most powerful espionage machines the world has ever known, and he gets "intel" from right wing commentators. Can't you see this for what it is, a massive vulnerability at the very top of the US Government? A foreign power could game the system by selectively feeding the likes of Levin and Breitbart stories of this kind, and because Trump clearly has no trust of his own departments, and spends far too much time watching television, he would be supremely vulnerable to such manipulation.

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  36. Re:NYT reported it by MightyMartian · · Score: 3, Informative

    People keep pointing to this piece of an NY Times story and inserting claims that were not made. It's been known for fucking months that US security services were keeping a damned close eye on Russian communications. If the likes of Sessions and Flynn were so fucking stupid and incautious as to be just chatting up the Russian Ambassador on behalf of their boss, well they deserve what they get. The takeaway here is that Trump and his proxies are fucking morons, regardless of whether they were actually doing anything wrong or not. In politics, the perception of scandal can be as bad as an actual scandal.

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  37. Re:Zero Chance by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Do you think Levin has any actual evidence for his claims?

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  38. Re:Zero Chance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Congrats for parroting the std leftist talking points

  39. Re:LOL what a fucking stupid spin by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

    Do you have a similar post about the baseband processors in smartphones?

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  40. Re:Which is it? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

    Translation: I'm outraged the team I support got caught in bed with the Kremlin! How dare someone catch them?

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  41. Re:Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by losfromla · · Score: 1

    Your points sound good on a quick read AC. Maybe if you broke up your thoughts into paragraphs and developed them with a little more verbosity you wouldn't get ranked into oblivion. Your prose is more complex than average so to the casual observer it reads like a wall of obtuseness, which it isn't. So +1 "Insightful" from me if I had mod points to give.

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  42. They should have called it NO MORE SECRETS by turp182 · · Score: 1

    For obvious reasons.

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    1. Re:They should have called it NO MORE SECRETS by sheramil · · Score: 1

      Where would Wikileaks be, without government secrets?

  43. Re:Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by losfromla · · Score: 3, Informative

    Don't we already have that in place? Don't families already have to stage car-washes and Fund-me campaigns to help pay for medical care?

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  44. Re:Zero Chance by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No. But isn't that the point. When you have marginally real 'news' organizations like Breitbart, and partially real ones like Fox laundering the fake news rantings of a circus clown like Levin into 'real' news, we have a problem.

    In the past, The National Enquirer could blissfully print their space alien abduction stories, and nobody even considered that they were real. Facebook trolling fake news click-bait stories are probably not intended to be believed literally either - though they're harder to detect, and easy to emulate by those who intend to deceive. But Breitbart and Fox demand that we treat them as the real thing - though they uncritically disseminate this kind of crap, and rarely (if ever) retract stuff when proven wrong.

    For what it's worth, Facebook could easily put a big crimp on it's fake news by vetting its news sources. Only publish stories from sources that adhere to some set of standards for truth and/or retractions. Why they don't eludes me. Other news aggregators surely do this. FB is making money off of fake news, and they'll keep doing it until their users protest. In fact lets start a "Day without Facebook" protest right now, shall we?

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  45. Re:NYT reported it by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    The scrapings at the bottom of that barrel you keep scratching for must be running thin.

    Any other delusional conspiracy theories you'd like to share?

  46. Re:Notice all the things happening at once? by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    He means Fox news, breitbart, infowars, Right-wing radio, etc.

    But nice try, thanks for playing.

  47. Re:Notice all the things happening at once? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    What do any of those outlets have to do with "swamping the cycle" by doing the things he said he'd do (ban travel from certain countries, repeal ObamaCare)? He's taking direct action. No propaganda is required.

    Also, do you realize "snark" isn't an argument?

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  48. SETEC ASTRONOMY is a better name by SysEngineer · · Score: 1

    "Sneakers" 1992

    1. Re:SETEC ASTRONOMY is a better name by turp182 · · Score: 1

      That requires more knowledge (that's actually a good pun, pretty deep). Maybe a hyphenated combination of the two...

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  49. Re:Flynn in January by losfromla · · Score: 1

    They were tapping the Russian's. People called the Russians, those people's calls were being tapped because the Russians were being tapped. All perfectly expected, right?
    Now, once they had established a link as direct Russian associates, probably it wouldn't be so hard to justify extending the tap to these new players. Degrees beyond that would be a stretch but direct associates were probably seen as fair game. If the calls were made from campaign lines, then the campaign numbers were in play and all calls made from them as well.

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  50. Re:Which is it? by deadwill69 · · Score: 1

    https://www.washingtonpost.com...

    We all know there are ties. To think not is just hiding your head in the sand. The problem is, we just don't know how far the rabbit hole goes with these ties.

    As for Flynn,he got caught lying under oath to Congress, about communications with the Russian Ambassador. If you even think we don't bug every foreign official's phone in this country you might need to catch up. We've been recording foreign phone calls for generations now. They are legal as it is in many states as long as one party consents. State rules do not apply federally. Your state may vary. Where did you find your "non-investigated US citizen" thing from? Anyone calling a known suspect is now, automatically, an unknown suspect.

    I think the President needs to put up some proof also if he has claims to make.

  51. Re:IQ's Genetic? Well, sortof.... by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Thank you for putting in the work. That was very helpful.

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  52. Clapper DID NOT unequivocally deny it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Clapper DID NOT unequivocally deny it.

    Parse his language carefully. "... I was aware of ... I oversaw ..." and most weaselly "...against Donald Trump ..."

    If you wiretap foreigners and foreign agents and then US citizens speak with them, then YES you are wiretapping the US citizens. Your wiretap may not be (technically) "against" (a very strange word to use in what should be an explicit denial) the US citizen but that is a distinction without a difference.

  53. No, WikiLeaks is a patsy, not journalism by shanen · · Score: 1

    No, WikiLeaks is a bunch (but mostly one guy) of idealistic patsies, not to be confused with real journalists. The way WikiLeaks "works" makes it much more useful for propaganda and disinformation than for the kinds of substantial facts that REAL journalists work hard to collect and then verify. Just send anything to WikiLeaks and you've got a megaphone. Idealists are too easily manipulated by abusing their ideals.

    The trick to playing WikiLeaks involves the information glut effect leveraged against their lack of a real economic model. Because WikiLeaks also wants to raise money, they want to leverage their releases of information for maximum impact. The resulting visibility produces donations (including book sales (in case you've forgotten that ad)). That's also why WikiLeaks prioritizes leaking American secrets. Many Americans still care about these issues and can also afford to send money.

    Given the situation that exists, I'm unwilling to guess how much of this story is real and how much is pure BS intended to ramp up the paranoia. WikiLeaks makes no pretense of even wanting to know who the sources are, what their motivations were, or how valid the data is. Then again, my own paranoia is so high that I remain confident Michael Hastings was murdered by hacking his car's electronics.

    I suppose I could say more, but it doesn't matter much on Slashdot, and if Putin actually cares, then I'm already on one (hopefully more) of his watch lists. (I'm inclined to believe the claims that Putin is the richest man in the world, and if he has #PresidentTweety's pecker in his pocket (as I suspect he does), then he's also the most powerful.) These days Slashdot doesn't have enough journalistic credibility to sneeze at, though what most disheartens me is the lack of significantly funny comments, both in quantity and quality. The jokes associated with this target-rich topic were quite lame. I also looked at all the comments moderated as insightful, and did various keyword searches (all fruitless) for the terms I regarded as most interesting and insightful in relation to the topic.

    "So sad," as Herr #PresidentTweety would tweet.

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  54. Re: Where are the Russia/China/N Korea tools? by rogoshen1 · · Score: 1

    somewhere out there michael bay felt a tingle in his pants.

  55. Funny....who knew that? by tacokill · · Score: 1

    You stated: It's been known for fucking months that US security services were keeping a damned close eye on Russian communications. I have a question: Who knew? I know lots of people speculated but this stuff is Top Secret. It is not for public consumption by design. So again, who actually knew anything?

    Please understand that I know everyone has an opinion of what happened or who was being investigated for what. But only the FISA courts know who is being surveilled in this manner. This type of thing is exactly why FISA was created in the first place. It's purpose was to give accountability to covert surveillance so it isn't used for political purposes or against US citizens without a damn good reason.

    The only way the opposition leader of a party (Donald Trump) gets investigated as a Soviet foreign agent - a real one - is if the President himself (Obama) signs off on it. There is no way in hell that investigation goes on without his express permission because of how it looks and the precariousness the situation during the election.

    Either the surveillance was rogue or it went through the FISA court and has documentation (like probable cause, etc). If surveillance was rogue, Obama and his administration have a huge problem. And if it was approved and no evidence was found, then why are we still talking about it?

  56. Re:Controlling cars ?????? by hguorbray · · Score: 1

    Charles Stross's excellent novel Halting State has an exciting sequence where an automated cab tries to kill our hero after it is hacked

    not that far from possibility if self driving cars are not made secure

    -I'm just sayin'

  57. Re:Zero Chance by Rob+Y. · · Score: 1

    Certainly if they intend to communicate fake news, they have plenty of ways. But it seems like the biggest problem is people spreading stuff via Facebook that they don't know is fake. Or that they click 'Like' on, because they think it's funny - and then all their friends see it and don't get that it's fake.

    My point is for those of us who think fake news is a problem - and Facebook's solution isn't good enough - should communicate to Facebook that we think it's a problem, and will consider pulling back our use of their site. For once the "you're the product" dynamic actually gives us some power. So why not use it?

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  58. Mitnick-Snowden dialog Twitter Moments by asjk · · Score: 1

    https://twitter.com/i/moments/... Disclosure, it's my first try at making a Moment.

  59. Re:Zero Chance by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 1

    For what it's worth, Facebook could easily put a big crimp on it's fake news by vetting its news sources. Only publish stories from sources that adhere to some set of standards for truth and/or retractions. Why they don't eludes me.

    Because Facebook wants to be able to call individual Facebook user submissions as "news". They also don't want to hire humans to manage the newsbot sifters to make sure nothing that may damage the Facebook News brand (like a shitpost). What I find egregious is that Facebook could easily declare their "news" feed a rumor mill, avoid all this angst, but those greedy f**kers just want to call user innuendo and content "News" for marketing purposes, but not exert an iota of responsibility in validating the content.

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  60. Cue denial by Aaron+B+Lingwood · · Score: 1

    How long before Zeynep comes out and says that the leaks are fake / inaccurate / technically void and urges the public to keep using WhatsApp; Calling those who stop using it idiots, fools, traitors, and scum.

    Will she denounce Fox for reporting on it like she denounced The Guardian. You betcha.

    A spook in geeks clothing.

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  61. Re:Notice all the things happening at once? by D00MSlayer · · Score: 1

    Your continued ignorance of how right-wing media and russian propaganda are operating right now is truly astounding.

  62. Re:Notice all the things happening at once? by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

    Trump eats lunch and then takes a shit. Is that right wing Rooskie propaganda?

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  63. Re:The tone of the leaks by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Kill pesky processes in unit tests that don't want to die normally

    I've certainly heard sysadmins talk like this about process on a normal daily basis, and no one bats an eye.

  64. Re:Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by Rakarra · · Score: 1

    Insurance costs should come way back down.

    I'll hold you to that, AC.

    Personally my money's on costs continuing to go up, up, and away! but at least conservatives will be happy.

    Yeah right. That's the point of the game: the real players moving the pieces don't ever have to be on the hook if it turns into a disaster.
    It's all about privatizing profits and socializing costs.

  65. Re:Here is where your logic failed you by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    The ME is a signed binary.
    The chipset has key material fused in at manufacture time.
    The ROM on the chipset won't load a binary into the ME hardware that isn't signed in such a way as to match what is in the secure fuses.

    *if* a chipset sku series is compromised then yes, you can sign and run external FW on that series, but if it is unsigned it won't load on the hardware.

    The driver interface to the ME is the "HECI" or "Intel Manageability Engine Interface" depending on version.
    It uses a defined interface to pass messages to the FW from the host side.
    Anyone can write a driver for this... Intel published the spec and linux source. The firmware treats it as a hostile interface.

    I get the "he's a shill" BS from the ACs, but seriously, I worked on this for 6 years, and while I would certainly load a min sku on my machine if I was concerned about access by a state actor, I personally have no worries about my data on an ME enabled machine.
    I no longer work for Intel, I have less than 100 shares of stock left, no incentive to help or hurt them.
    If you're truly paranoid about the data access then just use a PCI/e NIC and don't use the on-board LAN. Problem solved.

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  66. Re:Zero Chance by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Trump clearly has no trust of his own departments, and spends far too much time watching television

    Maybe now he'll stop watching that much TV?

    3) The CIA could use smart TVs to listen in on conversations that happened around them. One of the most eye-catching programs detailed in the documents is "Weeping Angel." That allows intelligence agencies to install special software that allows TVs to be turned into listening devices -- so that even when they appear to be switched off, they're actually on.

    Naaaaah... He'll probably just get a blanket to throw it over the TV or he'll start playing music from his phone to "jam the TV" or something equally retarded and unhinged.
    Like he'll start forcing everyone around him into the bathroom where he'll keep flushing the toilet while whispering about spies who are out to get him.

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  67. Re:Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by nasch · · Score: 1

    Healthcare costs could be brought down by more than 50% by restoring freedom to the consumer, which means freedom to self diagnose and self treat. Obviously taking that away and granting a license to diagnose and treat will increase costs. It can increase quality too, but the freedom to pay extra for that quality would still exist without it.

    I don't have a problem with that freedom, but nobody should be choosing to self diagnose and treat because they can't afford professional care.

  68. Re:Zero Chance by nasch · · Score: 1

    I'd lay good odds that has already happened.

  69. Re:Intel CPU = Backdoor by zedaroca · · Score: 1

    Thank you AC, those are good links. Too bad people dislike information. How could this be modded redundant? Are the modders suggesting people to not quote references or link to multiple sources?

  70. Re:Zero Chance by MooseMiester · · Score: 1

    Bush was an idiot ignorant country bumpkin hayseed, remember? Never mind that he graduated from Yale University and the Harvard Business School. Now the new narrative is that Trump is an ignorant doofus. Believe this propaganda at your own peril. If you live long enough, you'll start to see this sort of thing, and come to the realization that lots of people tell the same lies over and over, year after year because there is a new crop of young minds waiting to be brainwashed...

    A sane person would be concerned about even the slightest whiff of a government using it's power to go after political enemies.

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  71. Re: Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by LinuxLuver · · Score: 1

    Conservatives will be happy until they or their kids suffer a chronic condition their insurance company will refuse to cover or they have to go to the hospital. Then they may realise they've screwed themselves and their kids. Or maybe they won't realise anything. We're not talking about thoughtful, insightful people here.

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  72. Re: Obamacare repeal finally imminent. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

    Taxing someone for being a member of a group that costs society money, on the other hand, is perfectly normal. We do it with smokers. We do it with car drivers. Why shouldn't we do it with people who don't have health insurance?

    It's not even as if we're forcing everyone who doesn't have it to pay a fixed fee - it's just a slight increase in income tax for those who don't have insurance, to help recover the costs they incur by being vastly more likely to declare bankruptcy, have unrecoverable medical debts, and be more likely to be sick and cause others to be sick. We're also making it easy to avoid the situation of not having insurance, by subsidizing it for those on lower incomes.

    In some respects, its fairer than taxing cigarettes. The latter are an addiction, and smoking is hard to quit, whereas the availability of subsidies means getting insurance is an easy thing for most of the population to do right now.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't like Obamacare, but you're complaining about the wrong aspects.

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  73. Re:Zero Chance by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

    Bush was an idiot ignorant country bumpkin hayseed, remember? Never mind that he graduated from Yale University and the Harvard Business School.

    He was a successful businessman too, and all totally on his own merit and nothing to do with his family connections at all, no no no, I must have him confused with someone else.

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