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AMD Offers Full Details and Performance of Zen-Based Naples Server Platform (hothardware.com)
MojoKid writes: AMD lifted the veil this morning on architecture details and performance expectations of its next generation Zen-based server platform, codenamed Naples. Naples is an up to 32-core, 64-thread variant of Zen, targeted at enterprise and data center applications. The processors will feature eight-channel DDR4 memory controllers (with up to 16 DIMMs attached per CPU), with support for up to 4TB of memory and 128 lanes of on-chip PCI Express connectivity. In a 2P (dual processor/dual socket) configuration, Naples offers up to 64 physical cores (128 threads), access to 32 DIMM slots, and aggregate 16 memory channels. Versus a 2P Intel Xeon E5-2699A V4 based server, the 2P Naples setup ends up with double the memory channels, a higher total memory capacity, more cores (20 more physical cores, 40 more threads), and 48 more available PCI Express lanes. AMD's performance comparisons at its tech day event pit a 2P Naples server with 512GB of DDR4 RAM up against a 2P Intel Xeon E4-2699A V4 configuration with 384GB of RAM. The Naples system had a higher memory capacity and that memory was clocked much higher too -- 2400MHz versus 1866MHz. The Naples system has more cores, and with SMT on, can ultimately process more threads as a result. The AMD Naples system also has double the memory channels, further improving peak memory bandwidth. In its demos, AMD used a seismic analysis workload, which involved multiple iterations of 3D wave equations. According to AMD, the test taxes the entire system, including CPU cores, memory and I/O. In this demo, the AMD server system completed equations roughly 2.5x faster than the dual-socket Intel Xeon server. Expected price points weren't given, but Naples processors and servers should be available in Q2 this year.
I'm going to go ahead and guess that yes, this can run Crysis?
That seems to be mostly a problem in the US. In Europe, slow Internet is something you usually find in the countryside, but not in cities. Market failure?
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Chattanooga tried to set up a city owned ISP a few years ago because the local monopoly was terrible, and the state government legislated to prevent them doing it.
That's what happens when money dominates politics.
That's off-topic. There's nothing about CPU upgrades that demand a comparison to internet speeds. There are TONS of workloads that don't require LIVE access to a saturated internet connection.
And those that do? BUSINESSES PAY FOR IT.
My brother wasn't overseeing terabytes of medical info crossing through his building in a day, on a user-grade cable modem.
The article states you can run dual sockets, but will this be supported in quad sockets (provided someone makes a board to support it), or are you also limited by the way it used PCI Express lanes?
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now a 1s system with 16 core 32 threads with 64 lanes + more for storage? is better then what Intel has can make for a killer 3-4 way SLI system with room for 10-GIG-e more then 1 pci-e storage disk / etc.
The mac pro should move the this give it the lanes needed for 2 storage cards + 2 video cards + 6-10 TB 3 buses + dual 10 GIG-E.
just has to get these and rent some cheap AMD boxes. I'll take one to run my Xonotic server...
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Chattanooga did set up a city owned ISP, EPB, the Electric Power Board of Chattanooga. EPB offers some of the fastest, most reliable, Internet service at extremely competitive prices. So when EPB began thinking about expanding to other underserved communities in the Chattanooga area, it was a real threat to the incumbent duopoly: Comcast and AT&T.
The Tennessee legislature couldn't prevent Chattanooga from setting up its own ISP, but what they could do is prevent EPB from expanding their service area beyond the city limits. So areas just outside Chattanooga have some of the slowest Internet service, and it's all thanks to lobbyists for AT&T. Thank you, Tennessee Republican legislature, for protecting the profits of AT&T by protecting them from competition by a city owned utility.
It runs slow for games.Everyone knows at 800 X 600 resolution gaming is the most important thing when evaluating a CPU.
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The Xeon line has been pretty lame for the last couple of years. It's nice to see some competition.
So, in short, if you can pay, you can have?
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Imagine a Beowulf Cluster of these processors!
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So market failure caused by anti-competitive politics. And that in the "home of capitalism". Pretty bad. I wonder how much corruption is involved. Corruption kills societies.
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Anyone?
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
Microsoft is in Redmond, not Seattle proper. The outlaying areas are all served with symmetrical gigabit FttH, while Seattle itself in many neighborhoods is still stuck on shit POTS lines
The Ryzen CPUs support ECC, but the parts haven't gone through the server level validation for it. It's up to motherboard manufacturers whether or not to support it, and I expect we'll see "home server" 300 series boards with ECC support in the near future.
The Naples parts will absolutely support ECC. It's pretty much mandatory for server parts these days.
Never underestimate the stupidity inherent in all human beings.
Ryzen supports ECC. Even on the desktop, if the mobo supports it.
That seems to be mostly a problem in the US. In Europe, slow Internet is something you usually find in the countryside, but not in cities. Market failure?
Broadband have monopolist tendencies everywhere, but I think the real market failure in the US is because the biggest providers are cable networks. You're basically asking them to saw off the branch they're sitting on. Here in Norway telcos and xDSL was big and power companies were the first to push fiber, cable is also a player but they must remain competitive. They still want to make profit but if they can make more money selling you even faster broadband they'll do it. The mean download speed is now 47 Mbps (36% YoY growth), median is 27.7 Mbps (11% YoY growth) and no caps, it's something of a fiber rush as they're all doing that now. It has nudged out xDSL and cable as the dominant access technology.
Rural areas struggle more but there's variations of public/private/community funding, our cabin now has fiber. At the base is a commercial provider, but the project also had public funding (and thus a public budget), we paid an extra connection fee and everyone had to dig from the main road to the wall themselves or pay extra for that too. As part of the whole deal all permanent residents were offered fiber, cabins only if they were in close proximity to other routes. The residents want it, the community wants to be attractive and not a backwater hick, the company will make money on it in the long run... nobody's really against rolling it out, the math just needs to be there.
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The trick is it isn't corruption. The US has completely legalized what many other countries would call corruption. Companies can just throw money at US politicians or their campaigns in various ways and it's all legal.
If the outlying cities really think its a good deal, they should contract EPB for service. If providing the service required infrastructure, then the cities could likewise contract EPB to build it out.
Let me correct that for you: "I dont need faster processors, I need a faster network"
The rest of us have our own hopes and dreams
The dangers of excessive individualism are nothing compared to the oppressiveness of excessive collectivism
I think AMD have really done a good job here. They release their 1800X, 1700X and 1700 to prove their IPC, power consumption and multithread performance improvements so that the server OEMs have already seen the architecture potential in a consumer marketplace.
The Ryzen CPUs support ECC, but the parts haven't gone through the server level validation for it. It's up to motherboard manufacturers whether or not to support it, and I expect we'll see "home server" 300 series boards with ECC support in the near future.
Historically one of the huge advantages of AMD is that ECC has been available on much lower end parts than Intel. I hope that continues.
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It doesn't magically become not corruption when it becomes legal.
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The article doesn't mention support for error correction for the RAM. If a bit gets flipped somewhere in a massive research project running on such a system with 4 to 8 TB RAM, the entire project could be ruined.
ECC, anyone?
All the AMD processors support ECC. You need to explicitly criple it like Intel does not to. It need to be certified with the motherboard though, and most consumer motherboards don't do that, and many also don't provide the tools to access if any error-corrections are done.
Erm, I'm pretty sure the 2699 is the top of the line for their Xeon DPs. At worst it is the 3rd best from what I can tell, and no one has benchmarks that I can find of the two newer processors that might replace it, the E7-8890 and E7-8894. As they were probably able to borrow or rent the 2699's from someone and they weren't going to blow 20,000+ to purchase equipment for a single benchmark, it's unsurprising they didn't go for the two newer chips.
It is corruption, but legalized corruption. I would call that super-corruption or the like, because the corrupt have managed top make their depravity legal.
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Indeed. It actually is much worse than illegal corruption. This state of affairs explains a few things though.
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Nor does it become corruption because money was thrown at politicians.
It becomes corruption when politicians pass laws and regulations because of that money.
I dont live in the Seattle area so I dont know which politicians are responsible for granting the Seattle monopolies without some sort of public compensation (such as contractually good internet service) but I do know that if I lived there I would know exactly who was responsible. Its probably the city council thats holding the keys to the franchise agreements but thats not always the case.
The current Seattle city council:
Councilman Lisa Herbold, Democrat
Councilman Bruce Harrell, Democrat
Councilman Kshama Sawant, Socialist Alternative
Councilman Rob Johnson, Democrat
Councilman Debora Juarez, Democrat
Councilman Mike O'Brien, Democrat
Councilman Sally Bagshaw, Democrat
Councilman Tim Burgess, Democrat
Councilman Lorena González, Democrat
If its not the city council then the next most likely person responsible is the cities Mayor or a member of his office:
Mayor Ed Murray, Democrat
Vote out the fuckers responsible, even if they are a member of your favorite party. If the State of Washington steps in like they did in Tennessee, then start voting out the State legislature as well. Form a community action group. Spread the word that these franchise agreements are why these fucks are going to lose their next election.
"His name was James Damore."
Incidentally, even assuming that the two Kaby Lakes are better, they're almost certainly not better enough over the 2699 to make up the performance deficit given the Kaby Lake chips' price difference to the 2699.
A proper comparison would be between AMD's 2017 cpu Naples against Intel's 2017 cpu E5 V5 not 2016 E5 V4, as is done here.
Based off of what we saw in the Ryzen benchmarks, the new Zen CPU architecture is really good at handling multi-threaded workloads. That doesn't help Joe Sixpack much when he's surfing the web or playing Call Of Duty, but it will help with highly threaded server applications like Java application servers and databases.
Maybe AMD should have done the server CPU's first and then did the desktop models. There is probably more profit margin in the Enterprise market anyway.
So let me get this straight, in order to show competing platforms they put it up against a 22 core E5-2699A but then hobbled the Xeon with both LESS RAM and SLOWER RAM? Um... that's not really a very fair comparison now, is it?
Don't get me wrong, I like AMD as much as the next guy and I am very interested in probably making my next home-server build a Ryzen with ECC... but at least compete on a level playing field. The E5-2699A supports DDR4-2400 as well but instead they decided to hobble it with DDR4-1866??? Seriously? That's cheating and really sours me on AMD right now.
There are moments when I understand what other people are griping about.
AMD Prepares 32-Core Naples CPUs for 1P and 2P Servers: Coming in Q2
Sad, Ian, sad.
But first I had to wade through that other sentence. (I want a Purple Heart!)
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Once upon a time you would have a pair of quad-CPU servers, with two cores per CPU and two threads per core.
Now you have a pair of quad-die CPUs, with two cores per die, and two threads per core.
I wonder if AMD is bonding the four die modules using some form of TSV (through-silicon via).
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The last time I had die modules was a dual Pentium Pro 166 MHz (with 512 KB of L2 cache per CPU as a second die module). Fast processors, but the DRAM was dog slow. Eventually replaced it with a dual-cartridge Pentium III 750 (L2 cache as separate chips on the cartridge). I liked the dualies back then. It made for a creamier GUI with the system under load.
I had a great Opteron system at work (a 24/7 affair) and barely used my home system at all for about four years. Intended to replace it with an AMD system, but then the Opteron product line went insane, and Intel came out with the CoreDuo, and that was all she wrote for my AMD loyalty card.
It's so nice to see AMD finally back in the game, but presently I can't flop to AMD until they properly validate FreeBSD and get themselves off the FreeBSD shit list.
Please, AMD, do us a solid and make it rock.
"The processors will feature eight-channel DDR4 memory controllers (with up to 16 DIMMs attached per CPU), with support for up to 4TB of memory and 128 lanes of on-chip PCI Express connectivity."
Meanwhile, Ryzen on the Desktop has a shitty 16 lanes of PCI-E with an additional 8 possible with the mobo manufacturer adding another bridge. Meanwhile, my FX-9350 has over 30 lanes of PCI-E connectivity, for SLI, multiple M.2 drives, and multiple USB connectivity ports and dual gigabit ethernet.
Ryzen is gimped so fucking hard it's insane. I'll stick with my power-hungry FX-9350, at least it's capable of supporting all the hardware currently installed in my system and giving it the bandwidth they all need.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
While we're dreaming, I'd ask for a Mac Pro in a standard tower chassis that can handle standard PCIe cards. And a pony. But instead we'll keep using Linux boxes.
I think what they were driving at ("capacity") is that the Intel supports ~1.5 TB RAM, whereas the AMD supports 2TB.
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Nor does it become corruption because money was thrown at politicians.
It becomes corruption when politicians pass laws and regulations because of that money.
You are right about that. But who keeps throwing money at politicians without getting anything back? At the very least, the recipients would need to do full, public disclosure about everything they got and explain conclusively with any decision they make why they were not influenced by that money.
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cities have no place running a business. name one thing that government does right?
Capitalize the first letter of their sentences?
As a long-term AMD user, I was blown away when a system was "upgraded" from a dual-core to quad-core chip started behaving even worse with VM's, which led me to discover that the Quad-core chip didn't support VT.
Looking into it more, I discovered that Intel does this a *lot*, with sprinkles of support for this and that across a huge range of chipsets. With AMD, I haven't found a chip without AMD-V/VT-x in forever.
Now this was a bit of an older CPU for sure, but it seems that even newer Intel CPU's one has to be very careful that options like VT-D and others aren't neutered out.
Their AM1 boards do not. They saved some COGS by only wiring up 64 of the 72 data lines. Very disappointing!
You are right about that. But who keeps throwing money at politicians without getting anything back?
Corporations wouldn't. Which is why we know for a fact that the problem isnt corporations. The problem is the politicians selling laws and regulations.
"His name was James Damore."
There's plenty of blame to go around. Just because the politicians are corrupt doesn't exonerate those who bribe them, legally or not.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Just because the politicians are corrupt doesn't exonerate those who bribe them
If you refuse to lobby the law maker but your competition does not refuse to do so...
Everybody but the politicians are exonerated. Everybody but the politicians are victims.
"His name was James Damore."
Thank you for that clarification.
EPB offers some of the fastest, most reliable, Internet service at extremely competitive prices.
Are you including the taxes in those competitive prices or are you just pretending that tax money falls from the sky?
I was shocked to discover that the Seattle train station had no WiFi. The Seattle area is the home of two technology giants, Microsoft and Amazon; they should do better. If Microsoft can sponsor WiFi on the Space Needle campus they can also cover the train station.
That same station was also a dead spot for T-Mobile cell coverage. That would be bad enough in any major city, but Seattle is the home city of T-Mobile US. It is one of those old stone buildings that eat RF, but it's a location that should get special attention from the home town carrier; put a microcell inside the building if necessary, team purple!
It is long overdue that Intel got some real competition.
Their CPUs are way overpriced. Note their 2016 company profits hit $7.5B on $17.5B revenue! REALLY?!
AMD has priced Ryzen, their answer to the i7, at less than half the price with higher performance.
This surely shows that Intel is likely gouging the market; which is unethical monopolistic antitrust behavior.
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