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Many Smartphone Owners Don't Take Steps To Secure Their Devices (pewresearch.org)

From Pew Research's new report: More than a quarter (28%) of smartphone owners say they do not use a screen lock or other security features to access their phone. And while a majority of smartphone users say they have updated their phone's apps or operating system, about 40% say they only update when it's convenient for them. Meanwhile, some users forgo updating their phones altogether: Around one-in-ten smartphone owners report they never update their phone's operating system (14%) or update the apps on their phone (10%).

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  1. Love to update the OS on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Unfortunately that's down to the manufacturer and carrier, neither of which give a flying fuck after they sold you the contract. Probably take someone suing them until this changes in the UK.

    1. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Next time buy an iPhone or a Nexus.

    2. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by SciFurz · · Score: 2

      Probably take someone suing them until this changes in the UK

      Or anywhere else, actually.
      I haven't had an update in a long time (Samsung S4) but I only checked when it was convenient as well. Now I've rooted it, and secured it more by installing a firewall, hosts list, and program permission tool on it through the F-Droid repository.
      But the main thing is to not install every silly app from the store, especially whhile not checking latest reviews and permissions.

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    3. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by jellomizer · · Score: 1

      Not really. If your Device gets hacked, a person will be more likely to blame the Carrier or the Manufacturer than themselves. And we now live in a world where factless ranting takes precedence over facts now.
       

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    4. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      its not all rainbows and candy canes, sometimes updates break phones, the sometimes destroy battery life, its best to wait a bit and see if the update does anything bad (i buy nexus phones so they have updates but I am really wary after getting burned on battery life (over and over).

    5. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by Salgak1 · · Score: 1

      Not just phones. Anyone else remember the McAfee .DAT update that bricked Windows Workstations (7 and XP) circa 2010 ???

    6. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by CastrTroy · · Score: 2

      That's basically like saying next time you buy a phone you better spend $700 on a phone or you don't deserve to have one running modern software. I can buy a desktop or laptop for half that price and the software remains updated. Why can't the same thing happen on a phone. Is it really too much to ask?

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    7. Re: Love to update the OS on my phone by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      I'd love to update. My Samsung work phone has NEVER received an update ever. Still 4.4.1. Personal use my Nexus updates couple times a month.

    8. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every time I update my phone OS, the carrier is pushing some crap spyware (such as Uber) that made some side deal with THEM to make THEM money. To add insult to injury it will be installed as a "system app" that cannot be removed or disabled.

      If they want people to take phone OS's seriously they need to grant us root when we want it (without completely replacing the firmware or relying on some russian hack site). As it stands now, advertisers have more control over my phone than I do.

    9. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by GuB-42 · · Score: 1

      Nexus, what Nexus?
      Google more or less killed the Nexus program with the Pixel line, The last one is the Nexus 6P and we can expect official support to be dropped in 1 or 2 years.

    10. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by zlives · · Score: 1

      can't update my iphone 4 to newest either. other than the security (vendor controlled) the phone continues to work as a phone and smart device. deliberate disablement happens for a reason.

    11. Re: Love to update the OS on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correction. I misspoke and the advertiser apps bundled bu mu vendor are amazing value adds that synergize with my millenial lifestyle and improve life experience.
      -posted by me, and totally not my phone's yelp rating optimizer.

    12. Re: Love to update the OS on my phone by TheOuterLinux · · Score: 2

      Upgraded an iPad 2 to iOS 9. Big mistake. All "upgrading" does on iOS is insure that you'll have to buy the latest device after ever two iOS versions or you're stuck with a slow choppy device that may not even get software updates. I use the term upgrade for system and update for software. It's a Linux thing.

    13. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't update my StarTAC to the latest Android version... progress happens.

    14. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can't update it when its over a year old cause there are never any updates for phones over a year old! They want you to buy a new phone, even though there was nothing wrong with old one!

    15. Re:Love to update the OS on my phone by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      Just buy a $100 phone and toss it every couple of years. Its sad that we have to do that these days but on the upside you can get a 5.5in quad core phone with a couple gb of RAM running Android 6 for around $110 so even if you toss it every couple of years you are still gonna come out ahead over iPhones and those other $700 phones as they will be no longer supported before you have spent even half that and your tech will always be relatively fresh.

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  2. If only they follow Microsoft's lead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And ramrodded updates down to the users for their own good!

    Windows 10 is smrt!

    1. Re:If only they follow Microsoft's lead by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually, that doesn't apply for certain low end configurations. Just like in PCs, if you happen to have a WinBook w/ 1GB RAM and 16GB storage, you won't be prompted to upgrade to Windows 10 from 8. Similarly, a year ago, I tried updating an old Lumia 520 that I had passed down to somebody else w/ Windows 10, and it wouldn't let it: the configuration of 512MB RAM just wouldn't support it. I currently have a Lumia 550 which comes w/ Windows 10 preinstalled, and where it has 8GB flash drive and 1GB RAM, and it runs just fine. However, that low end thing doesn't.

      That said, you are right in that in Windows 10, Microsoft has taken over the updating job. It took for ever for the Lumia Icon for Verizon to get an update from 8 to 8.1, thanks to Verizon. For their W10M phones, Microsoft took over that job. Of course, it's another thing that neither Verizon nor Sprint has any Windows phones. With AT&T and TMo, one at least has the option of buying a SIM and putting it into the phone, and it'll work seamlessly.

  3. Why would you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    At least for appity-apps on android, why would you bother updating once you get it to work? Each update is worse than the last - more features broken, less stable, additional ads crammed in everywhere. As far as updating OS is concerned, boy, that switch to N sure broke a lot of old apps huh! captcha: walnuts, as in nuts to this!

    1. Re:Why would you? by shortscruffydave · · Score: 1

      Agreed.

      My old Samsung worked fine when I got it, and over its lifetime suffered two noticeable degradations in reliability - each coinciding with an automatic update of the OS. Each update left more device features unreliable or completely borked.

      New (also Android) phone works fine for now. Need to find a way to turn off automatic updates before it ends up going the same way.

    2. Re:Why would you? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Not just Android, in iOS, updating in a lot of cases just meant more of my storage getting eaten - and here, there are no SD slots for me to make that irrelevant. That's what I ran into w/ my iPad mini, which is now stuck on 9.3. I had to delete all the photos from that tablet and put them up on OneDrive, so that I wouldn't miss them. My iPhone probably won't have that issue, having as it does 128GB storage, but my iPad mini is something I'll have to figure out.

    3. Re:Why would you? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look into rooting it. That's the only way that I got mine to stop trying to auto-update me.

      In fact, a finger slip hit the update button after about a month of harassment every 6 hours or so and I frantically tried to shut down the phone. The result was not pretty.

      That said, I think I probably still did the right thing, considering many people said the update basically ruined the phone in a lot of cases.

    4. Re:Why would you? by parkinglot777 · · Score: 2

      Exactly! Also, when does updating apps/OS become equivalent to secure? I agree that updating could make the device more secure because the new patch is supposed to close/fix security bugs. However, there are times that new update actually opens/allows new security holes/bugs as well. TFA is just an advertisement to influent people to keep updating apps/OS...

    5. Re:Why would you? by n329619 · · Score: 1

      Most manufacturers don't do a good job at patching even when they give an upgrade (update?). Sometimes, it even takes trial and error to see if the new upgrade fixes stuff or breaks stuff.

  4. Automatic for the win by Highdude702 · · Score: 2

    To be fair most android phones I've seen have auto app upgrade enabled. iPhone doesn't but it's possible to set and forget about it until it's updating while you're trying to do something net or process intensive.

    1. Re:Automatic for the win by Wrath0fb0b · · Score: 1

      +1 Factually Untrue since iOS 7.

      By default, it won't auto-update unless you are plugged in and on WiFi, which seems like a good time to be doing maintenance like this. You can opt-in to automatic downloads over cellular, if you prefer.

    2. Re:Automatic for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I explictly disable auto update. Lost track of how many times auto updates break functionality, bring in more bugs, and/or slow my phone down to a crawl and suck up battery. Add on that where updates include more tracking and privacy invasion behavior.

      If phone manufacturers and app developers were really concerned about security, then updates should not cause problems worse than a potential compromise.

    3. Re:Automatic for the win by magarity · · Score: 1

      I have a corporate issued iphone whose contract doesn't allow OTA updates. And the company doesn't allow phones on the wifi. So I've never updated it from the version 8-something it came with.

    4. Re:Automatic for the win by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They aren't concerned at all with security. That's why this is a problem. That and on top of it the more secure your phone becomes the less convenient it is to use. That's the trade off.

    5. Re:Automatic for the win by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I didn't say all, I didn't say shit about corporate. and it seems like your situation would be in a far lesser percentile than what I was talking about. So what was your comment about?

    6. Re:Automatic for the win by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

      I said

      To be fair most android phones I've seen have auto app upgrade enabled.

      following that was

      iPhone doesn't but it's possible to set and forget about it until it's updating while you're trying to do something net or process intensive.

      Now you come along saying its factually untrue, referring to a link saying you have to turn the auto update feature as its not enabled by default, Also you can choose whether to use mobile data or wifi or just wifi. Hopefully you read my comment incorrectly and this was just a misunderstanding.

  5. How do you not secure your smartphone? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

    With both Android and iOS, the device will ship encrypted, and all one has to do is set the PIN and fingerprint. Updates are generally done automatically, with OS updated being the only real thing that is prompted for, and that usually takes a click or two.

    With updates being pretty much automatic, there isn't much to do as a user, for the most part, other than periodically checking that the iCloud or Titanium Backup image was successful.

    1. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by TWX · · Score: 1

      Ship encrypted?

      Last Android phone I dug into was not encrypted. The user privileges were set to where my standard use did not have root-level access to the device (which made getting my stuff off of the phone when it broke very difficult) but once I figured out how to get to some obscure menus at boot-time I was able to mostly find what I was looking to find through the filesystem and to copy over to a Linux box.

      I would be very happy if Android came with the equivalent of Sudo.

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    2. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by lgw · · Score: 1

      I set a password on my phone, though I'm not sure it was a good idea. If I lose my phone I just need to change my Google password, as nothing else there will be of value to anyone. Didn't bother with a password for my last phone.

      Anyone who installs stuff like banking apps on his phone is asking for it, really. Phones are fundamentally insecure devices (and the more apps you install, the less secure they are). Trusting them for access to something of real value seems foolish to me.

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    3. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      Anyone who installs stuff like banking apps on his phone is asking for it, really.

      I had to install the banking app on my iPhone because no web browser supports running the Java plugin for depositing checks remotely. I'm sure the bank will figure out someday that no one is depositing checks via the website.

    4. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Late 2015, I bought a HTC One A9, which is an entry-level phone. The default ROM ships with /data encrypted by default but with no authentication. During setup, when one set the PIN and such, it would change the stored password. When moving to a CM/LineageOS ROM, /data was not encrypted, but that was not too difficult to fix up. Samsung phones also ship with /data encrypted as well.

      As for Sudo, the closest to that would be SuperSU or something similar. There are no real weaknesses for having a rooted phone, because modern su apps check other app manifests for the priv to use su in any way, then when the app in question wants to use root, it will prompt the user.

    5. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      I would argue that banking apps on a phone might be more secure than on a PC. Mainly because done right, a phone has far less chance of getting malware that can access the banking app's jail or directory than rogue software running as a user context on a user's PC. Nothing is 100%, of course.

    6. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by Slalomsk8er · · Score: 2

      Why you should set a pin or password for your phone:

      The last time I bought a phone I had to wait in a queue was because the lady in front of me did not set a pin or password but her toddler did.
      The shop clerk was very sorry but very sure that nobody not even the manufacturer could unlock the phone without her loosing all her data!

      That was the argument I needed to get my wife to set a pin on her phone ;)

    7. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by lgw · · Score: 1

      In the rare case where I have a physical check to deposit, I just mail it in. I've been banking primarily by mail for years - as long as your paycheck is direct deposit, it's not really a problem.

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    8. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by lgw · · Score: 1

      The same malware creators target both platforms equally now. Too many banks try to use the phone as a 2nd factor, so it's a very valuable malware target, and attackers have had enough success to make the news in security circles.

      A PC is really pretty secure (in this specific case) if you don't use the same browser for banking as everything else, because the vast majority of malware here is "man in the browser" attacks (and they try to stay hidden after infecting the browser, not call attention by trying to infect more). Personally, I have a separate VM I only use for financial stuff, and use a physical token as a second factor, but I'm paranoid.

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    9. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      I just go to my nearest Wells Fargo and deposit it at the counter. Most secure that way. I rarely get checks though nowadays - my salary is often directly wired.

    10. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      You are not paranoid, you are smart. I keep my financial stuff in a VM, and keep my Web browsing in another VM [1]. Separation of stuff is common sense, especially with all the stuff that runs in a browser that is untrusted.

      This makes me wonder... why doesn't a phone maker use VMs in phones? ARM already has a built in hypervisor (the "worlds" functionality that allows for trusted and untrusted), why not use that, coupled with back-end deduplication and encryption. With a phone that has 2+ SIM cards, it would allow for a work and a home VM to work, make calls pretty much independantly, and never interfere with each other. This way, someone's banking app can be on the same phone, but well separated from the general personal-use instance.

      [1]: I have found Hyper-V seeming to be pretty secure in the "stuff isn't getting out of here" department. I could be wrong though.

    11. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by unixisc · · Score: 1

      If it is a smartphone, people have the choice of backing up their data to the respective cloud platform - be it iCloud, Google Drive or OneDrive. That's one of the first things I set on any phone I get. One primary reason for that - on 2G phones, one could either save meaningful data on a phone or limited data on a SIM, and every time we got new phones, it was a pain migrating the numbers. My parents had the habit of entering a person's name and type both in the name field, so that saving on a SIM was easy. Whereas I had the habit of saving on the phone, and populating different fields for one's home number, work number, cell number and so on.

      The other thing to that - by backing my entire configuration profile to 'the cloud', the moment I get a new phone b'cos the previous one was lost, or I wanted to upgrade, I just enter my email during setup, and it retrieves everything I had - apps, wallpaper and so on, and I'm good to continue where I left off.

      On securing the phone, I would just use PINs previously, but now, I've included my thumbprint since I did enable Apple Pay and some banking apps.

    12. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      The user privileges were set to where my standard use did not have root-level access to the device (which made getting my stuff off of the phone when it broke very difficult) but once I figured out how to get to some obscure menus at boot-time I was able to mostly find what I was looking to find through the filesystem and to copy over to a Linux box.

      Why not use adb-sync? You don't need root on the phone to access the data over USB which is why it's recommended that you also encrypt the phone.

      I have never heard of an Android phone shipping with encryption enabled.

    13. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      The other thing to that - by backing my entire configuration profile to 'the cloud', the moment I get a new phone b'cos the previous one was lost, or I wanted to upgrade, I just enter my email during setup, and it retrieves everything I had - apps, wallpaper and so on, and I'm good to continue where I left off.

      I'm shocked the restore to new phone feature worked for you. I tried the process probably four times on my Moto X Pure before I gave up. It would only copy maybe 30 out of 120 apps and then silently fail.

    14. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by lgw · · Score: 1

      When I was at VMware, years back, they were busily developing VMware for phones (focused on providing a "Work VM" that could be remotely wiped, leaving the rest of your phone untouched). I can only assume there wasn't a market for it, since I haven't seen it since.

      Hypervisor escape exploits are very rare and valuable, and usually involve some sort of built-in sharing between VMs.

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    15. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by eliphalet · · Score: 1

      I had to start using a password or pattern when I started using Android Pay.
      Since my Nexus 5 has no fingerprint sensor, I have to lock and then unlock it when I pay at the supermarket.

    16. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't have to set a PIN on my Android phone and I have also decided not to do so.
      Just like my keys I don't leave my phone unattended in a public area. It leaves my pocket when I get home or it sits on the desk in front of me when I am at the office.
      It is not less secure than my keys and they do not need a PIN code.

      Since I don't read TFA I assume that the study fails to take usage patterns into consideration and just equates PIN code with being sufficiently secure regardless of where the phone is left.

    17. Re:How do you not secure your smartphone? by lgw · · Score: 1

      A well-reasoned point. I don't have children or pets, so I can have nice things, but that's a small demographic.

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  6. Considering how few are offered upgrades... by Rob+Y. · · Score: 2

    I'd be surprised if more than 14% of smartphone owners are even offered the option to upgrade... Presumably the 40% that do take upgrades constitute 40% of those whose phones offer them OTA upgrades.

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    1. Re:Considering how few are offered upgrades... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. So exactly this! Most US carriers apply custom software to their devices, meaning most US users cannot use updates issued by Google or even the phone maker such as Samsung. The carriers are the problem here, wanting users to upgrade to a new phone every 1-2 years, so they have a massive incentive NOT to offer security updates at all. Not a malicious reason though, its simply less expensive to refrain from doing such updates currently since users are going to upgrade to a new device anyways, as they've been trained to. This will come to a stop soon enough as we approach the physical limits of what these devices can do, and the carriers have to get involved in keeping customers safe or lose them to competitors.

      No one buys a new laptop or desktop every 1-2 years anymore. We pretty much hit the limit of what they can do. Cell phones will hit it too, much faster even given all the technology already refined before them. And I think the carriers know it, which would explain the increase in caps and overage fees. With fewer users buying new devices, they'll "have to" make up that profit shortfall somehow, and caps and overage fees are the current plan.

    2. Re:Considering how few are offered upgrades... by unixisc · · Score: 1

      This applies to Android phones, and it would seem the Kitkat and earlier ones. I recently updated my Lollipop tablet w/ an update which allowed me to store and run apps from the SD card - a Marshmallow feature that seems to have been backported. Yeah, for all previous phones or tablets - up to kitkat - it was up to the carrier to provide updates. Same for Windows 8 phones.

      Apple was the exception, and both Google and Microsoft realized the damage not having updates ready was doing to their brand. So they pulled in control in Lollipop and beyond, and W10M and beyond.

  7. Most cell phone users by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Don't have anything on their phones of any particular import. Nor do they care that the CIA is following their Candy Krush progress. It's just not something that occurs to many people.

    OTOH, there ARE folks who, at the minimum, don't want their credit card details or chats with their surreptitous boyfriends splattered about. Those people need to step up to the plate.

    The big problem is that security is a process that requires thinking, planning and continuous execution, i.e., a PITA.

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    1. Re:Most cell phone users by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

      It's not just a matter of actual data in files or entries stored on a smartphone. It's things like your GPS position data leaking (or being accessed covertly), your Internet browsing history, MitM attacks to obtain things like bank account numbers and passwords, credit card information, and other financial information, and in extremis, your phone being hacked to the point where it's a mobile surveillance platform, listening in on you and what's going on around you and/or seeing (via the camera that every phone now has) what's going on around you. Don't say it doesn't happen or doesn't happen except rarely, either; there are news stories on a regular basis about this-or-that app that is found to be accessing the microphone, camera, and GPS of smartphones, even when the app is ostensibly not running, and note that I'm only talking about normal apps, not intentional trojans you're either tricked into installing, installing under false pretenses, or that are hacked onto your phone by one means or another.

    2. Re:Most cell phone users by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      Don't have anything on their phones of any particular import.

      I have no PIN on my phone. I just swipe and it is ready to go. So if someone steals my phone, they will have access to my mom's phone number and my grocery list. Stuff that matters, like my digital wallet, have individual app-level PINs.

    3. Re: Most cell phone users by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 1

      Well it doesn't help when you contribute to the myth that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear!

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  8. Do you really blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you really blame the users for not updating? How many times have you updated an application and found the UI worse (such as filled with ads) or doesn't work as well? (I recently updated the BBC iPlayer and now find that it doesn't work as well - the only reason I updated is because the BBC app wouldn't play videos anymore - so it was a forced upgrade.)

    Updating the OS can lead to slower operation, things that worked breaking (especially if you haven't updated your apps :-) ), etc..Even in the typical case, the application continues to work, the UI is somewhat better but nothing much changes.

    Why take the time to update? We, as geeks, know why. But for the typical user it is often just a pain in the ass and the balance of risks is negative. Updating makes sense for most people only if something isn't actually working correctly.

    1. Re:Do you really blame them? by supremebob · · Score: 1

      Yeah, it seems that iOS and Android updates tend to cause more issues than they fix, especially if you have an older iPhone or Android phone that the vendor doesn't care about anymore.

    2. Re:Do you really blame them? by arth1 · · Score: 1

      There are some apps I refuse to update on my phone, because the update requires me to accept snooping privileges I don't think I can trust the maker of the app with.
      For security reasons, it's a better option to NOT update them.

    3. Re:Do you really blame them? by Nunya666 · · Score: 1

      Do you really blame the users for not updating? How many times have you updated an application and found the UI worse (such as filled with ads) or doesn't work as well?

      Yup, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

      I once updated an app that I used regularly. The new UI changed so much that a process that used to take 5-10 minutes in the old app would have taken an hour in the new app. No, thanks. I uninstalled the app, restored the .apk from my wife's phone, installed it onto mine, and disabled all updates. I'll never update a working app again.

    4. Re:Do you really blame them? by sims+2 · · Score: 1

      NINAB newer is not always better.
      One of the only cases i've seen where newer is often better is on the smart tv updates. A lot of them are very slow and unresponsive when they ship and they get performance updates later. Although on those you're lucky if you get any updates at all most updates are just to let you know features XYZ have been removed and will no longer function (while they quit working 6 months before) then you have a nice dedicated button on your remote for an app your tv no longer has.

      IME the very last compatible version of an app you can download is more broken than the next to last version (but you can't download that one) that version is usually why support was dropped for your OS version but the dev's either CBA or couldn't make that other version the last compatible one instead.

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    5. Re:Do you really blame them? by Daetrin · · Score: 2

      I skipped out on the upgrade to 5.0 on my old Android phone because i'd seen screen caps of the "new and improved" UI. After getting a new phone and being forcibly leapfrogged to 6.0 i'm glad i resisted as long as i did. It took a couple hours of fiddling around with options and installing a new launcher to get the phone _mostly_ looking the way i wanted. (Still stuck with the bright white backgrounds for the notifications and all the updated Google apps though. And those damn floating buttons everywhere getting in the way of stuff.)

      And as others have noted updating apps can be a crapshoot as to whether it actually improves anything or just breaks stuff.

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    6. Re:Do you really blame them? by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      "How many times have you updated an application and found the UI worse (such as filled with ads) or doesn't work as well?"

      Actually, not that many. Over 8+ years as an Android user, most apps have survived the upgrades with minimal problems. Exceptions, yes, but not many.

      Ads have proliferated across the entirety of the app spectrum. That's a canard. Users should accept updates or get an iPhone.

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    7. Re:Do you really blame them? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the only cases i've seen where newer is often better is on the smart tv updates. A lot of them are very slow and unresponsive when they ship and they get performance updates later.

      Except for my Samsung Smart TV. As a matter of habit, I immediately turned off automatic updates when I got it. Was glad I did, as the next update disabled side-loading of "apps" via USB (which I'd already used to install a beta version of Plex). I held off updating as long as I could, but was finally faced with the decision: either update so I could run HBO Now which required a new version of the OS, or forego HBO Now. Ugh.

      The above BS is exactly why my phone is not on the latest major version even though it should run capably. And I have over 100 apps no longer on the latest version. Too often, features are removed and stuff otherwise breaks with updates. Security patches? Pfft. Any major update is likely to introduce more new security holes than it fixes.

      I only update when forced to do so. Either because new hardware requires it, or new software does and I'm willing to endure the shittiness of the update in exchange for whatever new features I'm getting. Sucks either way.

    8. Re:Do you really blame them? by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      My experience with iPhone OS updates is that they tend to make things better until they don't, since Apple will provide updates past when the hardware will run them well. That's why I always delay a few weeks and Google the update.

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  9. Note: YOUR data is on their phones by Toe,+The · · Score: 2

    Keep in mind that these unsecured phones carry not only information about you (your name, email, phone, address, photos, etc.); but also many contain deep info that allows a hacker to get deeper into other data.

    Imagine your doctor's phone isn't secure. Also imagine your doctor stores passwords to her office system in her notes app. The result: your medical records are open to the world.

    If 1 in 4 phones is insecure, that basically means all data about you that is out of your direct control... is quite insecure.

    1. Re:Note: YOUR data is on their phones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually, the truth is that all data about you that is out of your direct control, is insecure. We crossed the Rubicon on that several years, back, perhaps 12 - 15 years ago this became the new 'normal'

  10. Securing it from whom? by DogDude · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What's the point? Google & Apple and all of the app makers already have all of the data. The government can get to it whenever they'd like. Who would one be securing a phone from, exactly?

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    1. Re:Securing it from whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You, friend, get it. So-called 'smartphones' are not very smart, at least not for the end-user. They're plenty smart for nosy government agencies, corporations, and criminals looking to steal your identity data and other valuable data. In the parlance of some places on the Internets: Smartphones are a troll, and you've all fallen for it. There is no way to actually 'secure' a so-called 'smartphone'; they're by-design inherently unsecure, and likely can't be made secure, either. But they're shiny, so people want them. The theft of their data and vital information is silent; the average, very much non-technical person is completely ignorant of it happening, and worse: between the trend towards believing the natural human need for 'privacy' is some sort of mental illness, and the incorrect belief that if 'you are doing nothing wrong you have nothing to hide', they don't really care, either. I've said it before and I'll keep saying it until the situation changes: you're a fool if you use a smartphone. The only way I'd have one at all, is if I intentionally misconfigured it such that it's not possible for it to connect to the internet AT ALL. That's about the only way you can actually make a smartphone 'secure'.

    2. Re:Securing it from whom? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Who would one be securing a phone from, exactly?

      Wife.

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    3. Re:Securing it from whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Big Brother (3 letter agencies) and the borg (Google, Facebook, ...) does not like your devices too secure, but they will make noises about cyber security because they want you to have a false sense of security .... people will not say things they want to keep private in a public place but are likely to talk in front of their TV at home (and now the CIA leakers have gone and ruined that:-()

    4. Re:Securing it from whom? by GuB-42 · · Score: 2

      What's the point? Google & Apple and all of the app makers already have all of the data. The government can get to it whenever they'd like. Who would one be securing a phone from, exactly?

      If you think Google, Apple and the government are the only ones you need to protect against, you are terribly misguided.
      The people closest to you are the most likely to use what they find against you in a way that could affect your life.
      For example, I don't want my boss to know I am looking for another job, I don't want my parents to know I smoke pot, I don't want my wife to know I cheated her, I don't want a casual thief to access my bank account.

      I don't know anyone who got into trouble because the government used data gathered from a smartphone. Dirty secrets being discovered by someone close looking at an unlocked smartphone, many times, and often with serious consequences.

    5. Re:Securing it from whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lover. Boss. Competitor. Friends. Enemies. Children. Parents. Neighbors.

      Really, do you have so little imagination as to believe your life needs some privacy? That some things just aren't certain people's business? That being entirely transparent with the people around you can mean trouble with nothing to show for it?

    6. Re:Securing it from whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, it's not like people would go through a phone that doesn't belong to them. Especially if it belongs to a significant other. We all know that wouldn't be right. Don't we?

    7. Re: Securing it from whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You.

      You are an untrusted element and must be controlled.

      You see, with smart phones (and increasingly, PCs), the manufacturer of the device wants to own it and merely allow you to use it. You might technically own the hardware but in practice the device obeys the manufacturers first and foremost. Updates prevent pesky private citizens from regaining control of the device. Letting them do that goes against corporate long-term plans to own all of the computers and merely letting customers rent them and anything they control. It's already happening - just ask people about what's going on with John Deere Tractors and their concept of buying a tractor versus leasing it.

    8. Re:Securing it from whom? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

      If there's something on your phone you can't share with your wife, chose another wife.

      Kids on the other hand, they should not touch adult phones.

    9. Re:Securing it from whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luddite Bullshit.

      Not all mobile platforms are the same, and there's at least one which disproves almost all of what you claim.

    10. Re:Securing it from whom? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Such bullshit you couldn't even name the platform that doesn't fall under his umbrella. Seems like you're the one spouting bullshit here, man.

      GP has a point. The only way to secure a smartphone is to turn it off.

  11. They've been burned by upgrades in the past by hackertourist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    New version of phone OS -> whoops, now my phone is painfully slow. Guess what users won't do next time an OS upgrade rolls by?

    1. Re:They've been burned by upgrades in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use an iPhone 4s running iOS 6. Nice and speedy! Too bad I can't use very many apps, but I guess some might see that as a feature.

    2. Re:They've been burned by upgrades in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've given up on updates, not only because the updated versions usually run slower than the original, but also because they tend to break and lose features. If the most recent update of any given application is more than a few months old, then I'll install the update, because it's stable.

    3. Re:They've been burned by upgrades in the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      New version of phone OS -> whoops, now my phone is painfully slow.

      Cause: Lack of abstraction, constantly increasing bloat, desire to sell more products. (A.k.a Sell more hardware.)

      Cure: None.

      Bad cure attempt: "Let's make everything a part of the services library...."

      It also doesn't help that most apps tend to remove features without warning the users. (Changelog: "Improvements to over all system performance.", "Bugfixes", "New icon".)

  12. Is this the main issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're worried about privacy, sure, you may want to lock your screen but this may also create other kind of issues, like trigger the mistrust of your significant other. If you're worried about theft then note that anyone can take your SIM card off the phone and plug in into another phone to make phone calls.

  13. 14% don't update? They're lying by mveloso · · Score: 2

    If you're an android user you can't really update the OS on your phone because for the vast majority of handsets there are no updates available.

    For these surveys they really need to add some questions to determine if the respondent is just flat-out lying or just doesn't understand the difference between an app update and an OS update.

    Plus, some answers make no sense. Who updates their OS when it isn't convenient for them? WTF does that even mean?

    1. Re:14% don't update? They're lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Updating Android requires a Google account, which I don't have, and never will have.

    2. Re:14% don't update? They're lying by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      Never had an issue with OS updates with CM/LineageOS and not installing GApps...

    3. Re:14% don't update? They're lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't confirm what the user tells you based on past updates, but they're not necessarily lying. If I ask a driver "do you avoid running over squirrels when you drive your car", they can answer "yes" or "no" even if the situation hasn't occurred yet. They already know the answer. Living through the situation is just a test.

    4. Re:14% don't update? They're lying by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      So you don't even use an Android phone.

      What was your point?

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    5. Re:14% don't update? They're lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Who updates their OS when it isn't convenient for them?

      All Windows 10 users.

    6. Re:14% don't update? They're lying by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use an Android phone, and like gp I have never had and will never have a Google account.

    7. Re: 14% don't update? They're lying by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      How did you activate it?

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  14. Easy S.O. mistrust fix. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply add...their fingerprint. Mind...boggled.

    Problem solved.

  15. Does this shock anyone? by CharlieG · · Score: 1

    Does it shock anyone? Most folks just want to use their phones, use the email and SMS, and play a few games. They can't be bothered. Heck, a lot of folks have to have techy person setup their email other than a Gmail/Apple email, as they have no clue, and they have NO clue how to change their password either

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    1. Re:Does this shock anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and this is given that for Apple at least, they have voluminous help pages (not at all like Man pages, but actually helpful to newbies) with pictures and simple language that they send you the link to to help you.

  16. Obviously by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    " about 40% say they only update when it's convenient for them"

    Nobody does it when it's inconvenient, like during watching a movie, during a long phone call or when reading an eBook.

    Ask any Windows user.

    1. Re:Obviously by david_thornley · · Score: 1

      The thing about Windows updates is that Microsoft has apparently done extensive research and concluded that most people don't actually want to use their computers when they turn them on.

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  17. Folks are dumb by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Film at 11

  18. Manufacterers by EzInKy · · Score: 1

    Manufacturers are responsible for their devices security, not users. Providing a secure functional device is what they get paid for after all.

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  19. There is a economic cost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact is, there is an economic cost (not a financial one) for security measures. If a person needs to press a button or put in a code every time they use their phone, it's a little annoying, a little inconvenient. So people balance their desire for security against the annoyance of security.

    My phone doesn't really have anything private on it. I've got contacts to family and friends (which is mostly public information) and some reminders for appointments, but nothing that would cause my issues if someone stole or found my phone. There are no naked pictures, no embarrassing messages, no credit card information, no apps logged into sensitive accounts. If someone steals my phone all I need to do is reset a password or two and get a new phone. That is a lot less hassle than typing in a code or fiddling with the finger print button twenty times a day.

    Security is fine, but if you want people to use it, the security feature needs to be worth the effort. Most phone security features are not worth it for many people.

    Upgrading phones is a similar situation. Many phone upgrades break or cause apps to stop working or introduce annoying changes. For most people doing through the pain of the upgrade is not worth the effort to hide their photos or contact information.

  20. Why should I? by sims+2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Your're going to change my UI because you feel like it and make me have to relearn how to do everything just because.

    App *app name here* works great now but after updating erases all saved files and cuts off the name's of new files.

    No old versions are available online in case the new version does not work as expected.

    Backups (if you include restoring the same app version) are only practical with home made scripts or done by hand no other functional recovery options exist (at least not for iphone)

    So why should I update?

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    1. Re:Why should I? by skids · · Score: 1

      Likewise. I don't give my android any credentials to financial junk, or link it to a google account or login to just about anything with it, or side-load more than a couple really basic apps, or let it onto my home wifi network, and I don't use a lockscreen, because the delay of deactivating the lockscreen makes it a pretty useless UI for my purposes.

      In other words, I don't trust the device to stay secure even when locked down, so why bother securing it? Just use it for meaningless junk and non-sensitive phone calls/camera. That's all it's good for.

    2. Re:Why should I? by moskrin · · Score: 1

      Yes, this. The annoyance of UI changes is by app, not just for OS updates. If something is working and not causing me trouble, I'm probably not going to update it. I had a third party keyboard actually switch around the long press symbols on some of the keys for an update... really, guys?

    3. Re:Why should I? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If only app developers would be forced to create plain security updates.... and separate feature/"enhancement" updates

    4. Re:Why should I? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can easily extract apk for backups.

    5. Re:Why should I? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      EXACTLY! Sing it from the heavens!

      Hey developers, add in security updates or whatever you need for your OS or APP to function most efficiently- but stop changing things just for change's sake. Or should I say 'for your sake'. Because often an app gets updated to accept/show/relocate all the new add-space it presents now, where as before it was a full screen app. That's main reason I don't update... because the new version is even more broken for users (though perfect for developer executives quarterly reports).

    6. Re:Why should I? by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      You really don't have to change your UI. I've moved to Nova Launcher on Android, so regardless of what manufacturer of device, that stays the same. It may not be as cool looking as the latest Samsung or Huawei interface, but it stays consistent. Similar when using a custom keyboard app.

  21. Why should I? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't believe I have a single app on the phone configured to spend money on my behalf. If I do I probably should fix that. Nothing in my phone would interest LE. No sexy texts to hide from an SO. No dick pics. If I lose the phone my biggest hope is that a good samaritan will go through my favorites and call one of my friends. If my phone is locked I'll probably never get it back.

    I -should- be updating the OS more often. Problem is, updates stop being a no-brainer when your phone is too full to accept the new image. And there are always stories that new updates make old phones (more than 2 years because I think it's crazy to pay for a new phone that often) run slowly. I wait until I hear enough reports to convince me the update won't break everything, and then I clear out pictures and music so the new image will fit.

  22. Consider that those updates break functionality. by sethstorm · · Score: 1

    Those "security issues" are how people reclaim their devices.

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  23. The Cloud and Leaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...make whatever might be grabbed off my phone small time for hackers to be focused on. Why directly target me when they can just grab millions of accounts from Yahoo?

    Security options presented to your lay-user are "feel goods" which a truly knowledgeable person can bypass with minimal effort. Sure folks who are hard-core security minded can root, encrypt, remote wipe, etc, but this is not the same user base that was polled.

    I don't have the time, care or know-how to REALLY secure my phone. So I use it for meme photos, "candy crush" games and the browsing /. Nothing that I need security for.

    And as another commenter pointed out above, updates are usually A) Inconveniently timed B) Break UI/UX features C) Add Bloat D) Give more invasive permissions to themselves E) Rarely fix issues (unless the issue being patched is a "show stopper" preventing them from collecting your IAP dollars). So what's my incentive to actively update my OS or apps (other than to stop nag-screens or they haven't already auto/passive updated)?

    1. Re:The Cloud and Leaks by ctilsie242 · · Score: 1

      There are ways to secure from all but the most determined. For example, on Android, encrypting /data with a password separate from your screen locker PIN ensure that someone power cycling the phone is dealing with a 30+ character passphrase, which will be a lot harder to guess than 4-6 digits. Using a firewall program, one can block outgoing network communications. Backups can be handled by Titanium Backup (which has a very well thought out encryption system.) If xPrivacy were updated, that would provide further protection by allowing apps to slurp data... but the data they getting is bogus and random.

    2. Re: The Cloud and Leaks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not disputing that. But the majority of users isn't knowledgable of these obtuse steps and even if they were, it's too complicated.

      I consider myself competent enough to do what you recommend. But my wife nor my parents wouldn't be able to (even with clear direction). Even though I am capable...it's still too low on my priority list.

  24. Why Bother? by avandesande · · Score: 1

    Yes, I do have a pin on my phone but I don't have it connected to any social media, email or banking sites. I have a contact list and that is it. I don't really even need to lock it.

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  25. Screen locks are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Having a screen lock is stupid, unless you have a habit losing your phone or leaving it out and about where anyone can get to it. And if you are, then no manner of screen lock is going to stop someone gaining entry. They have your device, its already game over for you.

    1. Re:Screen locks are stupid by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      A screen lock prevents your ass from making calls while your phone is in the back pocket. A problem I had with an older smart phone when the touch screen got funky. I was always ass calling my boss when I crawled underneath desks for a PC refresh project.

    2. Re:Screen locks are stupid by desdinova+216 · · Score: 1

      what about keeping the phone in a front pocket?

    3. Re:Screen locks are stupid by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 1

      what about keeping the phone in a front pocket?

      Then it becomes a dick call.

    4. Re:Screen locks are stupid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually this isn't the case.

      If an iPhone is locked, and :

      a) it has been set up in supervised mode , which allows host pairing to be blocked, then there is no known way to get into it; OR
      b) it has never been paired to a computer, there is no known way to get into it

      All exploit techniques require access to a trusted host, or the device to be enrolled in MDM, or the unlock credentials to be known.

  26. avoid updates to avoid UI changes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How many people avoid updates because some upper management jerks have decided to change the way people use their device?

    How many people don't like apple because of this happening regularly?

    Hint!

  27. Formerly in that number by wjcofkc · · Score: 1

    Some odd years ago I left my phone at my girlfriend's house. It was not locked. She is now my ex girlfriend and I now lock my phone. The texts she ran across were between me and an old lady friend. They were not serious but I see how they were interpreted as such. Live and learn.

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  28. Even When I Want To... by mikeebbbd · · Score: 1

    I can't. Windows phone*: no more updates; carrier stopped providing them at 8.1 Cyan. Android: without a Google Account, the manufacturer & carrier won't pass them through after the first year or so; WITH a Google Account, it still often won't work without a fair amount of hacking, and if it does work it only extends updates for maybe another year; Google abandons stuff (all kinds of stuff, not just phones) quickly. Apple? No experience, though reportedly they do support devices for up to a couple of years at least.

    *Windows note: I *was* able to get more updates by joining "Windows Insider" which bypasses the carrier - but only to a point. The phone is running Win10 now, but stopped updating at 1511; no further update activity (even minor stuff) since that loaded about 9 months ago. No, I'm not going to get "preview builds" on a working phone. And btw as a phone/mobile OS 8.1 was better ... same functions and apps, but in a smaller footprint.

  29. Why update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since mobile app developers all seem to be obsessed with ripping out functionality and making the UI worse and worse, hell yes I stopped updating my apps. As long as they work fine and do what I need, why would I want to? "Newer" doesn't equate to "better".

    1. Re: Why update? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Upgrade by lobotomy is all the rage now. A secure device is useless if it doesn't do what you need it to. I can achieve the same effect by turning it off and disconnecting from the network.

  30. Some updates are more than security... by jeepies · · Score: 1

    I don't update for a very specific reason - it's difficult to rollback system and app updates on phones. I've run into the issue a couple times where I updated an app and the interface completely changed or features that I used were removed. So my policy now is that I only update if there's a critical security issue or an app no longer works because of a change in a web API it's using.

  31. Nothing sensitive is on my phone by Snotnose · · Score: 1

    No banking or credit card info. No passwords. No email.

    Why would I lock it? To prevent some ner-do-well from changing my zip code in Gas Buddy?

    1. Re:Nothing sensitive is on my phone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No banking or credit card info. No passwords. No email.

      Why would I lock it? To prevent some ner-do-well from changing my zip code in Gas Buddy?

      Indeed. The real security/privacy fail is putting all this sensitive information on a phone in the first place.

  32. Phones aren't secure... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Period. Just don't put anythingâon them that you can't afford to lose, e.g. banking info and email.

    Use a separate email account for your phone that doesn't have banking and personal info on it.

  33. Have a Nexus4 and Google dropped support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Have a Nexus4 and Google dropped support!

    The phone is fine. No issues, except that Google won't security patch the OS. They seem to think that $450 devices are good for 3 yrs.

    I disagree.

    There should be a law.

    1. Re:Have a Nexus4 and Google dropped support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2017 - 2012 = 3?

      OK, then.

    2. Re:Have a Nexus4 and Google dropped support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only if they dropped support this year. If it was early 2016, it might be a number that rounds to 3yrs

  34. un-securing... by Tomahawk · · Score: 1

    I know people who have actively taken steps to un-secure their phone, for performance reasons. Since encryption was enabled by default on some Android devices, people have turned off the option (which required flashing the phone) in order to give it a performance boost.

  35. Many vendors make security impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't set a lock password/pattern for many reasons:

    1. Doing so leads to butt dialing of 911 courtesy of emergency dialer's complete and total lack of digitizer or UI debounce.

    2. After realizing keeping up with stagefrieght vulns was impossible without buying a new device I removed the only ounce of mildly important VPN configuration and disabled MMS.

    3. It is annoying to keep entering patterns and passwords and shit whenever you want to do something while knowing full well it is technically pointless. No useful entropy to stave off brute force compromise and Android does not even pretend to have the perpetually compromised TPM crap iPhones do. Android is simply not secure.

    Coupled with the fact all mobile messaging and voice conversations are insecure unless you install third party software it is much easier and more productive to assume smartphones are untrustworthy and act accordingly. I don't have a need to keep anything "valuable" on my phone.

  36. Even if you go through the effort by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    What guarantee do you have that the phone is actually secure. Do the on/off sliders really turn off my microphone, or my location information?

  37. One of them.. by nightfire-unique · · Score: 1

    While I generally run the latest stable AOSP/CM/LineageOS build available for my devices from the day I buy them, I don't routinely use a secure lock screen.

    It may sound risky, but I'm one of those all-eggs-in-one-basket types. I keep my birth certificate and SIN card in my wallet, and I keep my phone unlocked. Neither leave my side, ever. Not for a second. Not anywhere.

    If I check my coat, my wallet and phone stay with me. If I'm asked to check my phone, I leave the venue and write a negative review. Every time I stand up, I tap my pockets (subtly) - cell phone, keys, wallet. Check!

    Because the cost of losing control over my wallet or phone is so high, I take no chances, and to date, have never had it happen. Knock wood, right? :)

    Same goes for other items we tend to lose; I buy wickedly overpriced but quality pens, scarves, hats, gloves, etc., so that they're always on the back of my mind.

    That said, if I'm at a party or bar, or out camping, I do throw on at least a pin lock.

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  38. security isn't important by holophrastic · · Score: 1

    My house has a front door, with a dead-bolt, that can be easily picked in a matter of minutes. But the window next to the door can be smashed in seconds. My car has locks and an alarm, neither of which stop the locksmith from opening it with an airbag. My windshield wipers can easily be removed. Nothing stops anyone from key-ing my car, throwing eggs at my house, or toilet paper in my tree.

    I've left a ten-dollar bill under my wiper for two years.
    On-coming traffic, at 250kph collisions, is separated by a yellow line of paint.
    I don't wear a helmet when I walk the dog, anyone could swing a baseball bat at my head, and kill me in an instant.
    I don't even know how I would stop someone from dropping a handful of dandelion seeds onto my green lawn.

    Really, I don't care about my phone, nor anything in it. Between, insurance, accountability, and having chosen a safe place to live, I don't expect anyone is actually worried that their life and family would be disrupted by anything in their phone.

  39. That's not true by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I keep mine up my ass, so unless Peter Thiel shows up, I'm pretty safe!

  40. No kidding by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    Google and Apple don't care about you as an individual. To the extent they care about your data, it is as an aggregate, for statistics and optimization and advertising. They aren't interested in trying to get your bank account number and steal your money, for example, the amount of money you have is fuck-all on their scale. They would not be interested in committing a crime with very real consequences for a totally inconsequential amount of money.

    However a random thief that steals your smartphone? Ya they are absolutely interested in something like that. They are interested in getting as much money from you in any way they know how. That is how they operate.

    While we certainly do need to consider information security and privacy with regards to big companies, the risks and reasons are very different with relation to individuals and it doesn't mean that we just ignore the problems of individuals. They are the bigger issue.

    Like at work, we get people who manage to get their accounts compromised all the time. It has never, near as we or the FBI can tell, been a big company doing it. Google has never Phished someone's password and used it to spam, Apple has never used someone's information to get in the employee system and change their direct deposit target. That has always been an individual, or small group of hackers: A criminal (or criminals) dedicated to criminal activity. That is the real risk that our users really face, and the one we need to be far more concerned about than analytics Google gathers on them.

  41. It would be awesome if I could, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A few problems come up with securing my device.

    1. I want to actually own the device I paid for. That means rooting. Until the manufacturers support a way to turn on root without reservation or gotchas, I'm not letting them take ownership of my device away from me. I consider THAT insecure. Note that I don't care what discount they may have given me on my plan - they gave me the phone itself with it, even if it is at a reduced cost. It isn't a theirs anymore.

    2. I want to be able to use my device for a long while. When updates peter out after 2 to 3 years - at most - relying on updates makes that difficult to impossible. The hardware is perfectly good, and I am not going to blindly follow the manufacturer into their planned obsolescence time table, just as I am not handing over device control to them for their convenience.

    3. Updates don't just patch holes, they put on whatever software my carrier wants and push the OS version up in many cases. This can have seriously undesirable results, including crippling your apps and slowing down the device to a crawl, and with no way to reinstall the OS, I'm stuck with it.

    4. On my main device, the last I heard, the OS update basically ruined the updated device with chronic overheating, battery drainage, crashes, and other problems. I don't think that was ever corrected. This was some time ago. Suffice it to say that I have very little faith in updates actually benefitting me.

    All in all, my device is in more danger from vendor distributed malware than third-party malware. I have this experience with Windows, too, albeit in different ways. This should give you pause for a moment to consider this, and to consider who's best interests they have in mind for these updates - yours or theirs, and what they have in mind for the future with the control they seem to want so badly now.

  42. I like that geofence feature in Android 7. by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    After I upgraded my phone from Android 6.0 to 7.0, I discovered that feature of being able to set trusted spaces where the phone would remain unlocked if it had been unlocked in a configurable number of hours. I have my phone set to lock when put to standby, and I don't let it sit running if I'm not actively doing something with it, so I found myself having to unlock it often at home when I was picking it up frequently while doing short tasks. That setting is great. Much more convenient when I'm in my own home and I wont be losing my phone, but once I leave home it goes back into its normal locked down mode.

  43. Updates mean unwanted features, not fixes! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When you update pretty much anything now you get unwanted crap. Case in point:

    Windows 10 = forced updates & ads
    DirecTV - Watching TV at a friends last nite and the receiver HAD to do a 30 minute update so I couldn't watch TV at 10pm.
    KDE4/Gnome3 - Completely new interfaces that people either loved or hated.
    Linux/SystemD - It's the future - get with it they say.
    Wellsfargo app - Updated and now won't work on Android 4.0.4(whereas my AmEx app works just fine......)
    Wellsfargo website - new updated site design sucks, slow, messy. Basically unusable on mobile browsers. (What idiot decided that the title bar needs to expand to fill the screen when you try to zoom the page????).

    I still use a Qwerty/Slider phone, which they don't make anymore(but its LTE and does what I need). Newest one I can find is an LG Enact on Verizon(4.4). And I DESPISE Verizon. Plus LG locks down the devices so they usually aren't ROMs available. My Photon Q was rooted and Sprint swore that was why it quit making calls(took an FCC complaint to get rid of them). I root my phone to get rid of the Malware they preload and try to force you to use. Just like I use NoScript and Blocksite and other stuff to secure my browser.

    IF they had "security fixes" that I could install that actually FIXED issues, then it would be useful. However, most "updates" are full of "new features". My son hated it when his S3 updated and changed the system to a newer android. Things were completely different and then he had a learning curve that wasn't needed).

    Look at Windows. They change shit because they can - Add or remove programs from XP changed going to Programs & Features in Vista/7 - WHY??????

    Developers don't care about Fixing their code, the care about Adding to it. KDE4 was going for the "Semantic Desktop" WTF is that???? And WHY do I need Facebook/Twitter(which are BANNED from my devices) integrated into my desktop??? Because someone Thinks I need it.

  44. Forgo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wha'?

  45. Poor Survey by kent.dickey · · Score: 2

    I clicked through to the detailed report (which was about lots of other things), and they didn't classify the results by at least iOS/Android/Windows Phone, or even better by manufacturer.

    It's very possible 99% of Google and Apple device users update the OS as quick as possible, and 0% of Samsung/HTC/etc. users update (because there are none), and so this doesn't tell us anything.

    Plus, I would answer "when it's convenient for me", meaning always within a day or so.

    It's like they phrased questions to get results to give the most click-baity headlines. This is my shocked face.

  46. I pay with cash by AndyKron · · Score: 1

    As if I would do something with my smart phone that required any type of security. I may be dumb, but I'm not stupid.

  47. Why care if it's a burner? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seriously, if it's a burner phone, why care?