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Uber Manager Told Female Engineer That 'Sexism is Systemic in Tech' (theguardian.com)
Sam Levin, writing for The Guardian: Uber is facing yet another discrimination scandal after a manager who was recruiting a female engineer defended the company by saying "sexism is systemic in tech." On 14 March, an engineering manager at Uber tried to recruit Kamilah Taylor, a senior software engineer at another Silicon Valley company, for a developer position at the San Francisco ride-hailing startup, which is struggling to recover from a major sexual harassment controversy. Taylor, who provided copies of her LinkedIn messages with the Guardian, responded by saying: "In light of Uber's questionable business practices and sexism, I have no interest in joining." Taylor was stunned by the reply she received from Uber. The manager, who is a woman, wrote: "I understand your concern. I just want to say that sexism is systemic in tech and other industries. I've met some of the most inspiring people here."
That sounds like the recruiter is agreeing/commiserating with her. Nothing to see here?
The HR Manager, who like 76% of HRMs in the US is female, said "sexism is systemic".
You got that right.
Please stop putting a "sexism in tech" story on the front page. three times a week. Please! I know you get more clicks and ad views but I beg you not to descend to that level. It's all been said. Every possible part of this debate has been had. Dozens of times. Enough is enough. Gut check: Are you ready to become a Gawker in your quest for shareholder value? I love Slashdot and I don't want to see it go down that road. Down the path to posting more inflammatory posts for clicks or worse, to push a narrative. Don't do this to me. Don't do this to yourself. You're better than this.
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
Techism is systemic in sex.
Wait - are you saying that sexism *isn't* problem in the tech industry?
Please stop putting a "sexism in tech" story on the front page. three times a week.
Why? Are you a snowflake? Were you triggered? Do you need a safe space where you don't have to see any articles that are offensive to you?
If we keep insisting sexism is rampant in tech enough, people will start actually believing it and act accordingly.
And then we win, because now there's rampant sexism in tech, proving our point.
Sexism is systemic, period.
That doesn't mean it should be tolerated, at all. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Just look at the last election. While everyone screams racism, they overlook the even more prevalent hatred of women that drove a stunning and ridiculous double-standard in the last election. But then, if we examine our culture's sexism, rather than concentrating on its other ills (racism, poor white-people lashing out, etc.), we'd have to look at why we pushed aside a competent woman in 2008 in favor of an inexperienced black man, who had to learn on the job his first four years, and proved sufficiently weak in his second administration that Russia was able to instill its puppet would-be dictator on his watch.
If we'd confronted our bigotry toward women in '08, we probably wouldn't be in this mess now (and Obama would be starting his first term as president after 8 years as vice-president, with enough experience to hit the ground running). But as always, we'd rather not face uncomfortable truths, and prefer to bury our heads in the sand. Uber, as despicable as the company is, is just a symptom of something deeper. Something we as a culture are still unwilling to face up to.
They said: I understand your concern. I just want to say that sexism is systemic in tech and other industries. I’ve met some of the most inspiring people here. We
But the rest of the comment is cut off. What were they saying? "We try to to be better than the rest of the field"? "We acknowledge that is just the way it is"? There's a huge range of ways to interpret what was said depending on the rest of the conversion.
Working outside their area of expertise.
Say what you like but as a manager or supervisory type, HR better be your friend, or you will be hammered in court. And fired.
The dumb was/is strong in these Uber managers. Makes me want to buy another car just to say no to Uber.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
"Damned if you do, damned if you don't".
I've been in IT for nearly 25 years and I've always worked shoulder to shoulder with women and men alike. Uber has an HR and a culture issue. This isn't a widespread tech industry issue.
We have problems but have figured out that eliminating half of the work force eliminates half of the brains.
We would like you to come and help us.
0.70c on the dollar has been debunked over and over again. Discrimination in the workplace has been illegal since I was a kid in the 70s. This includes discrimination against women. Currently 64% of all Doctorates, 61% of all Masters degrees, 58% of all Bachelors, and 57% of all Associated degrees go to women. Women are more likely to get hired for a job when put against a man with the same credentials, and even higher when you compare ethnicity. A Hispanic/Black woman will be hired 80% of the time over a Hispanic/Black male. Women have more scholarships, higher rate of approvals for education grants, and higher rate of student loans. Non Whites have the same advantages. The only people getting "screwed" by the system currently are white males. The rest is a fabrication based on repeated propaganda (lies).
Do a web search for stats yourself, I'm tired of providing citations. People with agenda will deny they exist regardless, and if you are curious they are easy enough to find.
Sadly, this has made it a place where people no longer believe real issues. When everything is an "ism", nothing is an "ism".
The country is not going to be competitive in the future because identity politics is isolating people into fact averse gangs, each using their own type of thuggery to get "theirs".
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
I've worked in technology for a few years. When I was a floor technician assembling stuff Sexism was less pervasive since there was more gender equality.
When I shifted to IT (network / system admin) it was 99% guys and was quite shocked how nerds could have such filthy mouths and that a lot of the guys had a bizzare nerd bravado I never experienced until entering IT.
More women need to be in hand on tech roles and stop going into sales, client relations, office administration, etc.... When entering the tech industry.
Until then nerd bravado Sexism will remain pervasive.
An easy temp gap fix would be to put these guys back into the sub basement where their conversations can't be overheard anymore. :)
True.
And east coast.
I doubt she meant systemic, she probably just heard that around the office and thought it sounded cool and made her seem smart. She probably meant "pervasive".
I predict that the top voted posts in this comment thread will validate this notion.
Go on you beautful alt-wrong manbaby redpill slingers. Shower us with your wisdom.
What was the manager supposed to say? "You're right, and I'm an awful human being for working here!"?
The fact is, it is systemic. Put a bunch of guys together and tell me you would be surprised to hear one of them makes an insensitive, chauvinistic, sexist comment. Usually they do it in jest. It's a little different situation when they're sexually harassing someone. That's not to say the norm is right. Of course it isn't, and some men do need to be called out, and they do need to change their ways. However, it's no mystery why the issues is systemic in male dominated tech forces.
We're only recently seeing such a substantial integration of women into tech, so there is going to be women who will be shocked and awed by how some guys act in the work place when around a bunch of other dudes. Companies definitely need to do their due diligence to penalize those who harass a co-worker, however with the integration of more women into these fields, I think the trend with change as the sexes become more comfortable working with one another.
Completely flipping out that "THIS CAN HAPPEN IN AMERICA!?" isn't going to help...
All we would accomplish by "eliminating" sexism against women in the tech industry or anywhere they are a minority would be shifting the scales. Few people seem to genuinely care about males being discriminated against in fields that are predominantly female (education is frequently brought up, though no one seems to want to do anything about it).
An increasing amount of businesses openly declare their intent to discriminate against men by aiming for gender parity in their employees, in predominantly male fields. This is "progressive" to them. I thought it was illegal, but I even see government-sponsored/affiliated companies advertising their discriminatory policies.
I'm in favor of equality, or at least as close as we can get to it, but it seems a lot of feminists just want it all. If industries where women are underrepresented are "fixed" to put them in an equal or advantageous position, the same thing should be done in industries where men are disadvantaged. Many social services favor women as well.
Important shit was happening in the world today. Refugees drowned in the Mediterranean. Fascism rampaged across Europe. But someone wrote about Uber + Sexism, so we hired an intern to repost that and got clicks and ad revenue.
I have been in tech for 25 years before 'IT' existed
it is a fact that the best engineers and techs are socially retarded males
Until there is a huge shift in the way non nerds approach tech it will remain a fact
Women _CHOOSING_ not to obtain a degree in Software is the problem. That is not sexism, that is a fact with statistics to back the fact. Women are getting far more degrees than men, but are choosing degrees in Psychology, Medical Doctors, Law, Political Science, Journalism, and other fields not related to Software.
Prove to us that you are correct, show me the College discrimination that keeps women away from STEM. I searched, there is no such thing as institutional sexism in College prohibiting women from obtaining a degree related to software. In fact it is quite the opposite. Universities are begging for women to obtain STEM degrees, as is society, as are employers.
Next, prove that degrees don't matter. I have a Mathematics degree. Is the fact that I can't get a job as a MRI specialist or BioChemist related to the fact that I'm being discriminated against, or my _CHOICE_ in degrees? A Law degree does not provide any credentials for STEM.
Lastly, prove to me that women are choosing other fields due to discriminatory aptitude tests which give a lower score to women because "sexism". Aptitude testing is the number one factor for determining a degree choice.
You can't prove any of those things. Go ahead and try to back your allegation with _FACTS_. Something you SJWs seem to despise with a passion.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
"What's wrong with being sexy?"
-Nigel Tufnel
"I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
The manager countered that they thought the industry had a problem and that the place they worked was great. Seems like a candid response that builds up their company.
Not a bad tactic really.
I'm sure this stuff is fun/funny for many whey they are not at the other end. I my self have had to work a for gay (still in the closet) boss who sexually harassed me. Let me tell you its not fun or funny. Worst part is that no one believes you.
...is that you can come home from work and jerk off while thinking about busting a nut all over her face, but only if she's cute !
The best part us, nobody knows ! Especially in the meeting the next morning where she's completely oblivious to you imaging shoving your dick right down her throat and yelling "that's it baby, take it all you ficking bitch!".
Good times.
Nearly 80% of the field is women. Men report being ridiculed by both patients and their female coworkers. Since women practice hypergamy men are not seen as much more than dating toys by most women in the field. Citations can easily be found.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Your second and third sentences have no basis in reality. There was a massive push to social welfare programs to assist women with College in the later 80s and 90s. This includes assistance with child care so that Single Moms (a massively grown demographic) could go to College and not worry about their kids. Hence the disparity we have today which has 61% of all College students being women. You can't be so delusional that you believe moving women up to 61% of all college students is the result of a year, or even a few years. Then again, it seems like you really can be that delusional.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Sounds like you have even less desk space per person than where I work.
The woman was not an "applicant"... She was actively RECRUITED by Uber thru LinkedIn.
Doesn't that fact actually discount a large portion of the current claims of sexism?
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
Asian males are penalized on the ACT and SAT for their race.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
People in China and India do not rent their refrigerators out for a night to make a few extra bucks, and if they beat their fridges their food would spoil
Yes, this story is odd... almost if the "scandal" is ginned-up so as to generate Yet Another Story Of Workplace Sexism And Why Something MUST BE DONE NOW (And BTW, Trump Grabs Pussies). It's just one more "Raising Awareness Moment" rammed into the eyeballs of the reader. Or a attempt to threaten a lawsuit and then settle.
There hasn't been a Friday night fight for a while - it looks like it's back.
There used to be an article every week to inspire angry virgins to go around screaming SJW!!!!
Since I don't believe what you said about how no plane hit the Pentagon why should I believe your claims about "The rest is a fabrication based on repeated propaganda" now?
You still appear to be full of shit you are just better at making it look credible via a bit of misdirection into areas outside of IT.
If you are so scared of a woman taking your job then maybe you should get better at doing it instead of wasting time trying to put them down.
You may as well join our company -- sure it sucks, but you're not going to get better anywhere else.
Yeah, that's not an endorsement.
Having read a bit about them he was a thousand times the philosopher of "bring in the Russian nobility to replace Capitalism" Rand. She was living in a system many times better than the one she wanted, and railing against it. You guys should read a bit of European history to immunise yourself against vile shit like Rand.
That Uber HR "Manager" is just plain wrong. The Tech sector is a level playing field for women and men. She probably just was having a bad day, probably because it was that time of the month. Wonder what she looks like...
They just suck at interviews.
This sort of bullshit is why we no longer WANT women in tech.
So ladies - don't be a deranged feminist. Don't abandon your children, don't neglect your families, don't give up everything good and decent in life - just for the fake-privilege of being a corporate tool. Take care of your children, love your husband, bring kindness and gentleness to the world - be a REAL woman.
And gents, don't touch a feminist career woman with a ten foot pole. When you see one and vomit in the back of your throat, don't even try to hide it. Let them live alone and sexless in perpetual conflict with nature. When a person promotes the inhumane philosophy of feminism, roll your eyes and mock them. They deserve nothing but contempt.
The majority of the comments are sophomoric, off topic, and unhelpful.
There hasn't been a Friday night fight for a while - it looks like it's back. There used to be an article every week to inspire angry virgins to go around screaming SJW!!!!
Because it always a laugh when I'm blackmailed by a female co-worker threatening false reports because she's empowered by SJW workplace policies. The best time when one threatened charges against me unless I framed another co-worker she wanted to get. Such a laugh I must say. har har har You're such a genius comedian...
At a former employer I dated the HR person, which was an effective defense.
I can't imagine why someone would accuse a not-creepy-at-all kinda guy like you.
You are still wrong and simply demonstrating that you have an irrational position based on complete ignorance. Reading your other posts in the thread it's obvious that you have the same position as the other SJWs, denying any fact that counters that position and providing none of your own.
The prophetic nature of the book is not the main issue. The issue I pointed out is that there are a large number of people happy to express an opinion which is devoid of facts claiming that their non-factual fantasy is real.
You have put an exclamation point on that fact, demonstrating that you are happy to be one of the ignorant masses.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
OK anyone disagree with the recruiter that the tech industry is systemically sexist? I thought that was a a given as a whole for the industry.
Who cares? Seriously.
Didn't rtfa or TFS.
Requiem for the American Dream
However sexism is surely system in SlashDot, and worse yet, against the majority of the readers.
The fact that is in vogue nowadays to post feminist articles does not means it is less sexist.
Seriously? Did that really happen and you were so much of a doormat that you did not do the incredibly fucking obvious and pre-emptively tell your management about that threat before any blackmail material came out?
Or did you see it on TV?
and I've never seen sexism in the Tech workplace at all. Have only read about it.