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US Congress Votes To Shred ISP Privacy Rules (theregister.co.uk)
An anonymous reader quotes a report from The Register: The U.S. House of Representatives has just approved a "congressional disapproval" vote of privacy rules, which gives your ISP the right to sell your internet history to the highest bidder. The measure passed by 232 votes to 184 along party lines, with one Democrat voting in favor and 14 not voting. This follows the same vote in the Senate last week. Just prior to the vote, a White House spokesman said the president supported the bill, meaning that the decision will soon become law. This approval means that whoever you pay to provide you with internet access -- Comcast, AT&T, Time Warner Cable, etc -- will be able to sell everything they know about your use of the internet to third parties without requiring your approval and without even informing you. That information can be used to build a very detailed picture of who you are: what your political and sexual leanings are; whether you have kids; when you are at home; whether you have any medical conditions; and so on -- a thousand different data points that, if they have sufficient value to companies willing to pay for them, will soon be traded without your knowledge. With over 100 million households online in the United States, that means Congress has just given Big Cable an annual payday of between $35 billion and $70 billion.
Is there anything they won't rape for money?
...and is the interests of nobody but a few of the obscenely wealthy. The Republican party no longer even pretends to give a shit about the poor and middle class, and yet we keep giving them power. It has to end.
Or is there a date at which point than can begin collecting your soul (I mean data) and selling it?
Turn your internet access line into an encrypted tunnel. Use TOR.
So much winning
I'm tired of winning
Browse with tor, or run a tor exit node, Either one will obfuscate your online patterns and make your data so noisy as to be useless.
Potential downside: nightly visits from the FBI asking about your more interesting browsing habits....
This idea that all senators and reps are terrible - except mine has got to go. We are all continually being bent over. Vote all of them out.
Silence is a state of mime.
With the records ISPs will be building on people, any kind of profiling will become easy. Have had an impure thought? Your ISP will know!
IMO, that must the the actual reason behind this anti-citizen action.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
Nothing new here... ISPs used to be able to do this, until an Obama-era regulation blocked it in October, 2016. This just returns us to the prior status. See here
Can you dig it? I knew you could...
of winning.
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If your records are for sale to anybody, no warrants will be required for any government agency to purchase them.
For all their empty talk of "freedom", the Republican party sure seems to love authoritarian rule.
...how many more Mbps can I get? Hey, Comcast, are you listening? The quicker I surf, the more info you get, so how about ramping up those speeds.
It is by my will alone my thoughts acquire motion; it is by the juice of the coffee bean that the thoughts acquire speed
The rule's only been around since October, so things have reverted to the same rule in effect for eight years under Obama. I agree this is a bad thing, but a lot of selectively outraged partisans are exposing themselves right now.
Only Republicans would rape the Internet. And they got a orangutan in office to rubber stamp it.
You know if you purchased the internet history of the politicians and then showed it to them (or everyone), they might see this issue differently.
Thank You, Sir. May I have Another?
Teh internets watch you.
... the government can now buy your information and isn't breaking any laws to do so.
is now basically a requirement in America.
You will be better off in the end. Protect yourself from your ISP and get the added bonus of protection from the RIAA/MPAA etc as well. Like a two for one deal.
Now ISPs can be regulated just like cable or phone companies because they are no longer pass-through entities. Remember, ISPs keep saying they shouldn't be regulated like those others, but now, since they are controlling what you can and can't access (through deals they cut with Netflix and such), they are no different than cable companies.
Now that they're collecting data, similar to what cable companies do when they know what you watch, ISPs can now be classified as common carriers.
Even better, since these folks will now know where you go, they can be held responsible for not reporting child pornography and other criminal acts. Nor can they claim ignorance. After all, they're no longer a pass-through entity. They're watching you.
We will bankrupt ourselves in the vain search for absolute security. -- Dwight D. Eisenhower
One question I've yet to see answered in any reports on H.J.Res. 86 is whether it would allow ISP's to dig back into past search histories and sell that information to advertisers or marketing firms. Or, would it only be data collected after passage of the bill?
Keep watching and yelling about Russian connections, wiretaps, and ACA grand standing by both sides.
Pay no attention to what's really happening.
Who follows the rules now? How many of you actually have read the TOS for your ISP? It's privacy policy?
Unless you know what's going on to start with and have taken extreme measures to avoid it, you are already being tracked every which way from Sunday. So your ISP now can packet sniff your traffic? Big woop...
If you care to keep your ISP in the dark, best you arrange to have a VPN connection 100% of the time for all your traffic. But I would expect that you are constantly ditching your browser cookies, never log in to anything, don't use E-mail or any protocol that is unencrypted now...
The ONLY compliant anybody has here is that your ISP keeping these records might make it easier for law enforcement to get this information. Even so, that will take a warrant, unless you ISP just gives up any information they have to law enforcement when they ask, even if they don't say please...
"File to fit, pound to insert, paint to match" - Aircraft Maintenance 101
Can you back that up with some examples?
Hey ISP I want all your customer records for anyone who accessed XX between 7:00 and 10:00 on Tuesday. And yes, I have warrants. I have warrants in denominations of $50 and $100.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
Oh, that's right, they can't. Especially as I never use facebook, and don't allow their javascript to execute.
How can my ISP see all my web traffic? Pretty easily, if it's not encrypted, which is one reason why google is pushing https everywhere, and there's a lot of astroturfing here and elsewhere about why this is a bad thing.
Hence they keep winning. Convince enough of the poor and middle class to trust only your media, only the words coming from the mouths of people in your party, and they will keep voting for them. They will just blame the currently powerless Democrats, shift blame to Hillary somehow, or blame Obama.
Hey moron, ISPs have been able to sell your anonymized data since forever. How have you been hurt by this?
Oh, and those rules never went into effect. Doh!
Fuck you, AC troll. Fuck you. Please note, I'm saying "fuck you" as an individualist.
I don't respond to AC's.
We had a Republican president when the Patriot act was passed to take away all our rights. But to be fair, the Democrats certainly deserve a fair share of the blame. It's not just one party doing it.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
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What you cant see is how clueless you are to compare the two.
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From what I understand the privacy rules set forth by the FCC under president Obama haven't gone into effect yet. So I'm not sure what's changed from what we have today. Granted, it's a crap thing to do, but ISP's have had the ability to do this for as long as they've existed as far as I know.
Hasn't Google and Facebook been monetizing their users in a similar way? And would have been able to continue to do so even if the privacy rules were left in place? If my ISP is going to make money off of me, I should at least get a discount on my monthly bill though. That's the biggest difference I can see. I actually pay my ISP, where I use Google for free.
Here is a link to an assessment written by my ISP (sonic.net, which does not support this legislation):
http://mashable.com/2017/03/27/internet-service-provider-privacy-bill-bad-for-consumers
In reality, Republicans have repealed rules that don't yet exist. The so-called privacy rules were scheduled to go into effect at the end of this year. So, nothing is actually changing. ISPs will be able to continue doing what they are doing right now.
Next up: The Patriotic and Antiterrorist Transparency Act, which mandates that all houses be built with glass instead of siding and drywall.
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Yes, Facebook already sees your other Webtraffic, because it has the ad networks bugged to track you. Google does. All of them do.
You aren't anonymous unless you're on Tor and using Incognito Mode all the time. The internet works by sharing who you are with everyone interested. Or did you think that the price on Amazon is what everyone sees?
If you don't want the government tracking you, go offgrid. Though I hear that is illegal in some places.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
From the headline of an article that came up in a Google Search, which I will not link to nor did I click:
"House Votes Tuesday to Restore Consistent Online Privacy Regulation"
Fuck tolerance, those people just need to be driven off the goddamn internet. It's too good for them to ruin.
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Yes, Republicans will allow individuals to sign contracts that allow ISP's to rape their privacy - believing that people should pretty much be able to do what they want as long as they are willing to pay the consequences.
Democrats on the hand, want everyone except for the rich to be able to avoid all negative consequences -- afterall they can always find someone other than themselves to blame, and democrats are sure happy to rape anyone except the poor or illegals for anything that makes them feel good. They even get a thrill out of making nuns pay for medical insurance that covers abortions.
They both suck, but I know which one is worse.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?426100-102/us-house-meets-legislative-business&live&vod&start=2927
Mike Doyle kills it at 2:02:00 in
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I know its asking a lot for Slashdot to react to anything but the headlines but this story keeps surfacing and has repeatedly been shown to have been spun to be misleading. Congress simply reversed midnight regs that were never in effect, the issue being one Federal Agency was engaged in a power grab over another and regulations should be passed after careful consideration and through the proper channels. Not on the sly on the eve of a new Presidency. This has absolutely nothing to do with Republicans cackling in a dark room over shredding privacy rights.
Bush put in Patriot, Obama campaigned on repealing it, and made it actually worse. Spying on Americans is now okay, because even though we've caught them red handed a number of different times, nobody is trying to stop them because "TERRORISTS!!!!!" .
If you vote for either of the two major parties, I hope you like your tyranny, for there is almost no functional difference on the major issues.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Even when the web traffic is encrypted (i.e. "https") your ISP can still see your DNS traffic. As soon as PornHub changes their site layout to use "midgets.pornhub.com", your ISP can sell your specific interests to the highest bidder.
You would think that the Republicans would love a chance to be different then
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serious question here:
how does this compare with other countries?
Did they write in any exemptions for themselves? I'm sure if we just release every congress-critter's search history, they'll have a change of heart.
How about a script that fetches a random URL once per second?
Putting junk into the data makes it hard to get anything useful out of it. That plus some use of VPNs.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
I currently run a openvpn server, and think I will now spin one up on digitalocean for 10$ a month, for my family anyways, this stuff just makes me sick and tired.
Your ISP could already do this, they have been able to do so for years. The bill slapped down was one that required subscriber consent to sell the data, despite no ISP actually selling subscriber data commercially. The ISPs that refuse to do so and stipulate this position in their contracts are the ones you want right? Even if it's sold at a slight premium?
who purchased this device with cash and didn't sign any TOS & am using open Wifi that does not have TOS 'agreement screens' like your neighbors house or corner coffee shop. Can they now legally collect info on me, a minor, and sell it to the public? What if I'm coverend by a court case where publishing my personal or identifying info is prohibited by law because I'm a minor?
Guess it's time to get off the couch and find a good VPN. Don't forget to help your friends and neighbors.
If you're scared of your govt then you need to further restrict its powers
Vote 3rd Party in 2016 and beyond
How is this not trolltrace? because they don't make the data public? only a matter of time friends..
You can throw up speedbumps to what they can see, and limit the sharing quite a bit. But you can't do that with your ISP, and in a lot of places you have very little choice.
Yeah, actually, I do. Because they tried price discrimination once, and it blew up on them badly. Because people share information as well. Now, if you have evidence they are managing to do this more subtly now, I'd certainly be interested in seeing it.
I see this all-or-nothing bullshit all the time. Is this some sort of trollish astroturf campaign? It certainly doesn't mirror real life.
One of the main comments I keep seeing in the discussion related to this issue (aside from arguments over which political party to blame) is that the obvious solution to this problem is to use a VPN (and why haven't you been using one in the first place). But is there any reason why a VPN provider would be obligated to enforce a privacy regulation that an ISP is not? Or, said another way: What is to stop your VPN provider from selling your data to a third-party like an ISP? If this is some basic facet of VPNs then I apologize for asking a basic question, but the only experience I've had with VPNs are university and corporate based, so this kind of question never really came up.
The cynic in me says they work for the NSA or ISPs when they do that. (Sure, https can't be cached, requires more CPU, etc. but the technical problems seem more and more like the 640K of RAM issue.)
Let's suppose that information collected this way is available for sale by the time of the 2020 presidential elections.
Are we really supposed to believe that the Democratic Party won't buy it and use it, to try to better understand the electorate they need to win over?
I can't believe that any political party seeking power wouldn't try to acquire and use information collected this way, even if this party previously claimed to be against such data collection.
Why don't we have the US government pay for a monthly VPN capability to provide "universal" anonymity?
Only Republicans would rape the Internet. And they got a orangutan in office to rubber stamp it.
Yes the Republicans have been pushing for this since SOPA, and it was protested about and struck down so they tried renaming it CISPA and that got struck down and now they are pulling this crap. It is not so much about the president but the fact we have Republicans in the house and senate who think they have a blank check to do whatever they want.. I expect they are going to try to make abortion illegal and pull all planned parenthood funding, I imagine they are going to pull all support for climate change research and put as much money into coal and oil drilling and digging and I know for a fact they are going to try to get us embroiled in more wars so that if there is a Democratic resurgence they will be dealing with the fall out from that war so hard that they will not be able to accomplish anything in the 4 or 8 years they have, thereby leaving an open for another republican to get in on the idea that the Democrat guy got nothing done. Same old Republican crap , different day! I have said it before, This is what you get when you vote Republicans into office. Get used to it kids! I learned this a long long time ago.
Wow, I'd reject this too. Maybe some people should read the F'ing pig before they go off. I mean it's only 73 pages (of small print) that covers everything a good terrorist would want to CYA with.
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/12/02/2016-28006/protecting-the-privacy-of-customers-of-broadband-and-other-telecommunications-services
Oh, wait -- that's normal.
Wanker.
How can my ISP see all my web traffic? Pretty easily, if it's not encrypted, which is one reason why google [sic] is pushing https everywhere...
Got to hide your massive search history for Japanese Tentacle Porn...
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
"Doesn't affect me directly, screw everyone else!"
Love the attitude.
Let's be honest, the biggest reason google/alphabet pushed/s for https is that it's a threat to their business model as the soul collector of our data.
If the ISPs want access to telephone poles and right-of-way, and all the other junk that goes with common-carrier status, then they should act like common carriers.
How does Facebook and Google see that I binge-play Elder Scrolls Online an entire night? How does my ISP see it?
Do you see the difference? Facebook and Google may see MOST of what you do IN WEB BROWSERS, your ISP will see everything, without question, that passes through your modem.
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We had a Republican president when the Patriot act was passed to take away all our rights. But to be fair, the Democrats certainly deserve a fair share of the blame. It's not just one party doing it.
However, keep in mind that in reality, President Obama never met an invasive secret domestic spying program he didn't like. As well, he was exceptionally vicious in pursuing heavy criminal penalties for whistle blowers. I find it difficult to believe he was seriously interested in repealing the Patriot Act, except for "public relations" with his constituency of Democrats like me.
If you want news from today, you have to come back tomorrow.
Whether Facebook, with 2.8 billion users, should be somehow regulated is a different question than whether the ISP should be able to listen in on my internet traffic.
They don't (didn't?) let the phone company listen in; why is the ISP different?
We're gonna make a lot of money, right?
I assume you're referring to all the anti-terrorism Snowden shit, that started under W. but continued under Obama (and six years of GOP-controlled Congress). And damn-well ain't gonna let up any under Trump.
But let's put it in context. The GOP, after years of screaming and gnashing of teeth, when the chips were finally down could NOT get enough of their own shit together to repeal Obamacare, that thing they say they hate more than anything in the whole world. But, just a few days later, these same guys managed to put their differences aside to crush a tiny consumer-protection rule for Internet users.
That's who we're dealing with here, people. Still insist that Dems are the worst? Ancient history, get over it. Out of the frying pan, into the fire, and shit it's only been 12 weeks!
but on the other hand, doesn't Ivanka's clothing line just look spanky!
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
Google's not perfect, and they have financial reasons to do this, but I agree with them on this issue.
Right. If you don't like it, just sign a contract with another ISP. Oh wait! There is no other ISP!.
Yes, people should be left to do what they want, so long as we know exactly what they're doing at all times. Watch which websites you visti - it's going into your file.
You are a fool if you think the Republicans are some freedom-loving outfit. The Democrats certainly have their issues as well, but this is really beyond the pale...
If you -ever- plan on running for office, I suggest you avoid the internet completely.
The next candidate to replace Trump is going to have their search and web history under the spotlight for everyone to see. Go ahead and tell me it won't be weaponized to " dissuade " certain folks from running for office.
Those skeletons in the closet ? hhahahahaha
Not anymore :D
The problem with that is that while OpenVPN works and is relatively straightforward to set up, it's not the best performer in town. I have an OpenVPN endpoint too, and use it in situations that make sense for me.
I don't believe your default route is one of them. Whatever VPN I end up using, I'm probably going to take known sites and send them straight out. I'm not concerned about anyone knowing that I visit Slashdot, Ars Technica, Google, Amazon, Newegg, etc. What I'm concerned about are the other sites - the places I go based on a (https-based, of course) Google search.
The living have better things to do than to continue hating the dead.
Off the top of my head, the Democrats certainly tried to pull this off with TPP, particularly with the innumerable parts of it that had little to do with trade. Obama tried to ram it through and if Hillary were in the White House she'd probably be finishing it up right about now.
You're okay with powerful government already busted several times for spying on Americans, but should BigTelCo do it, you're OUTRAGED!!!! Or are you outraged that big government that is spying on you wants to use the proxies to spy on you even more? Oh wait, you don't care about Big Government spying on you, because RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS and TRUMP IS EVIL got your goat?
We've already lost the war, this is just a mop up battle for the remaining bits of resistance out there.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Encryption.
And for clarity, just about everyone already knows you play elderscrolls all night long, because that is all you seem to talk about. ;) ;)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
At what point is my employer allowed to tell me what I am and am not allowed to do with my body when I'm not actually at work?
Trick question: It's none of their fucking business. My boss has no claim to my BODY and I resent the implication that they should be allowed to dictate my personal life when they aren't paying me for it. You want me to be your bitch 24/7? Then pay me 24/7.
Fuck you too, m80. What's that you Democrats said when we didn't like Obama? "If you don't like it, you're free to leave?"
MAGA
The good news is that a careless CPA may email a copy of Trump's tax returns to a colleague and an ISP along the way will suck them out of the stream and sell them to the National Enquirer without fear of legal repercussions.
(Not really because, if nothing else, there are strict Federal laws that protect tax returns specifically -- but it's fun to think about how this could backfire.)
Why is there an "insightful" mod and why isn't it "-1"? If I wanted insight, I wouldn't be reading
From https://www.congress.gov/congr...:
Mr. FLAKE. Mr. President, I rise in support of my resolution of
disapproval under the Congressional Review Act of the FCC's broadband
privacy restrictions. As chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee's
Privacy Subcommittee, I have spent more than a year closely examining
this issue.
In February of 2015 the FCC, under then-Chairman Tom Wheeler, took
the unprecedented step of reclassifying broadband providers as ``common
carriers'' under title II of the Communications Act. In other words, on
a 3-to-2 party-line vote, the FCC decided that internet service
providers should be treated like telephone companies for regulatory
purposes. The decision encroached on the Federal Trade Commission's
jurisdiction to regulate ISP privacy policies, stripping these
companies of their traditional privacy regulator.
[...]
These regulations have altered the basic nature of privacy protection
in the United States. For decades, the FTC policed privacy based on
consumer expectations for their data, not bureaucratic preferences.
These consumer expectations were just common sense: Sensitive data
deserves more protection than nonsensitive data.
Unfortunately, the FCC rules dispensed with this commonsense
regulatory approach. Under the new rules, what matters isn't what the
data is but, rather, who uses it.
[...]
So the new "rules" the FCC put forward made the privacy worse than it already was! This is a *good* thing.
People like you frothing at the mouth and putting words in other peoples' mouths are unlikely to convince anybody of anything, same as those who you notice are frothing at the mouth on the other side.
If you think your side of the political coin is any cleaner, you're still part of the system. Trump's not perfect, but at least he rejected both parties. You need to learn to appreciate that, and stop getting herded around like sheep.
Let's not overreact, it's not a big deal, I mean how much information could this actually reveal? http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08...
Lets start with Government, unless you're a "frothing at the mouth" Libertarian like me (and from your Post history here, you're not "frothing), you're misunderstanding the use of Hyperbole. Which seems to be all the rage. Hence the over the top REAL LIFE examples or late.
Seems like every day I hear another liberal talking about how RUSSIA HACKED THE ELECTIONS and another Conservative talking about how TERRORISTS KILLED EVERYONE.
What nobody seems to be talking about is how Americans are being spied upon by the dark shadow government and being outed when politically expedient. We all should be terrified by that knowledge.
And once you realize the Government is spying on you, ATT/Verizon spying makes even more sense. Who do you think BigTelCo is spying for?
Again we've already lost the war, this is just mop up stuff to tie any loose ends that might have slipped through. Nothing to see here ... move along.
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
Well, our government makes pacifists pay for war. So what the fuck is your point? Oh wait, you don't have one worthy of consideration by anyone with a pulse and a half-working brain.
"We kill people based on metadata."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-we-kill-people-based-on-metadata/
RepubliFat rapists and sociopaths hate Obamacare. kinda like they blojob wettbakkks and wank preteens. OTOH ,,, most Trump yeoman voters prefer a SINGLE PAY system like Canada or Finland, just like they prefer shooting dead border-jumpers and their vote-herding poodles.
If ISPs are common carriers, then they have no right to restrict traffic based on endpoint (Netflix). AT&T, Comcast, Verizon, etc. want the best of both worlds. They want to be common carriers only when is suits their purposes.
Finally! Something for the coal miners! And is little folk!
Go Donald!
Why do you think they call them red states?
Any sufficiently unpopular but cohesive argument is indistinguishable from trolling.
And all you fucktards think Microsoft collecting data is the worst thing on the planet. HA.. Republicans are, now the ISP's can see you out to the FSB and do it legally while giving der Gropenfurer a kick back.
You dicks voted for him - now just STFU you got what you wanted.
You can also use a VPN which will encrypt all of your traffic through your ISP so all they see is gibberish.
I use Opera which has a free built-in VPN... just one click to turn it on.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
A VPN will shut out your ISP. Everything is encrypted on the way to the VPN so your ISP gets nothing.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
A VPN encrypts everything so your ISP gets nothing.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Opera has a built in free VPN. I turned it on and haven't noticed any difference in speed.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Found the fucking idiot.
Private ISP, for all your privacy needs.
Governments and Malvertisers getting you down? or your data?
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All it will take is some data getting hacked and subsequently released. The resulting muders and divorces will lead to law suits that will hopefully shut this down.
Trump's not perfect, but at least he rejected both parties.
You don't actually believe that, right?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
That's an insult to orangutans. They are gentle peaceful and intelligent creatures.
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
And besides, I think "shit-gibbon" is the preferred nomenclature these days.
"BSD: Free as in speech. Linux: Free as in beer. Windows 10: Free as in herpes." --Man On Pink Corner in #52607549.
You can throw up speedbumps to what they can see, and limit the sharing quite a bit. But you can't do that with your ISP
For $5 a month you can make your router tunnel out through a VPN. That's a pretty significant "speedbump".
Encryption hides the content. They can still see every IP address you connect to unless you use a VPN.
This post is encrypted twice with ROT-13. Documenting or attempting to crack this encryption is illegal.
This is fsking ridiculous, and only a Trump-supporter type person would put forth such a warped, bullshit comment.
Democrats do not, in any way shape or form, want to keep people from negative consequences.
Thank you Dave Raggett
And the idea that it is "government of the people, by the people, for the people." That government sometimes has to know certain things, is part of being a government. A private corporation however? That's not even in the same book, much less the same page. I'm a citizen, not a product.
Https only helps a little. Let's say you need to see a medical specialist. The first thing you need to do is go to the doctor's web site and fill out a new patient form. It's easy for a ISP to see where you connected and that you pushed a block of data (filled out a form). Therefore you must have what ever problem the specialist treats. So much for HIPAA and other privacy protections.
That is incorrect. Every month you get a phone bill that shows every person you called. That is no different than ISP's knowing who you connected to - as long as you are using https / encryption.
The difference is that when you're not on an encrypted connection, they can see every word your type. So in reality with need the FCC to mandate https everywhere, and then web browsing is really no different than calling someone on the phone.
I believe this *has* already been happening whether is been strictly *legal* or not. Though it is bothersome that it would be codified in law.
Even if you're using https, your ISP can tell a lot by seeing the websites/hostnames you are visiting and times/etc. I think you're completely missing the point ...
- sigs are for wimps.
Your privacy is sold out, and all the money goes to the 1%. This is Trump's America.
Do people understand that this also gives the government the ability to know all about you? They just have to buy the data from the ISPs?
And what privacy rules do VPN providers play by? Are they legally binding? Would they get caught if they didn't follow them?
Someone had to do it.
What's this, an actual supercilious asshole on slashdot
Wherever you go - there you are.
I'll allow you the last response because you assholes always have to have the last word, never mind the supercilious ones.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
The 1990's called they want their ad block back.
It pisses me off that they almost never publish the number of the bill or how our representatives voted. The House Bill was #230. The Senate bill voted on last week was #34. Here are the votes:
House Bill 230
Democrats Not Voting: David Scott (GA), Bobby Rush (IL), David Price (NC), Louise Slaughter (NY)
Democrats Voting Yea: None
Democrats Voting Nay: All Others
Republicans Not Voting: Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (FL), Thomas Rooney (FL), Michael “Mike” Simpson (ID), Robert Pittenger (NC), Tom Marino (PA)
Republicans Voting Nay: None
Republicans Voting Yea: All Others
Senate Bill S.J. Res. 34
Democrats Not Voting: None
Democrats Voting Yea: None
Democrats Voting Nay: All others
Republicans Not Voting: Isakson (GA), Paul (KY)
Republicans Voting Nay: All others
Independents Not Voting: None
Independents Voting Yea: None
Independents Voting Nay: King (ME), Sanders (VT)
I do not block ads. I do block third party scripts.
Trump's not perfect, but at least he rejected both parties.
You don't actually believe that, right?
I am afraid they do...
Yeah, they kinda do. They own the House, Senate & Presidency. They mostly own the Supreme Court and will after Gourch gets appointed (Dems don't have the votes to stop it and the Repubs can change the filibuster rules with their votes).
Face it, we handed them a blank check when we elected Trump. They don't always have the balls to cash it (their first round of billionaire tax cuts in the guise of Health Care failed) but they've got it. In two years time we've got a chance to revoke that check in the mid-terms. But I'm guessing the Dems will make us feel bad (nobody likes paying taxes) and you'll let it roll...
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I blame all the FreeMarket Trump Nuts on Slashdot. See this isn't a freemarket because there is no competition in the ISP marketplace. If I really had min >10 competing ISPs, I bet you I could find one that would respect my privacy. Yay Free Market. But this isn't a free market. It is a monopoly that needs to be destroyed.
This will only last until some "family values" repub gets caught searching for child porn. We can buy their browser history now.
You said,
The summary said,
Yes, it's one party doing it. First they changed the rules via the FCC, and now they've made it permanent. It's the very definition of "one party doing it".
You are welcome on my lawn.
Ironically, the "House Freedom Caucus" supported this bill.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Soylent Green is...your online history!
You are welcome on my lawn.
You can choose to use or not use Facebook.
You can't choose to be online without your ISP, and in the U.S., we don't have competition.
If it were really that bad the president would veto. This is probably a good thing.
Good questions... Do you know?
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
Fuck you very much.
I went to that site and it doesn't work.
We have a goddam history here.
You are doing good porn and refuse to share.
You bitch.
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
If you think your side of the political coin is any cleaner, you're still part of the system.
This is what people say when the candidate they voted for turns out to be a fuckwit after all.
People who say "sheeple" have about as much sophistication as an AOL user, and in fact are probably actually AOL users.
...
Judge: Evidence?
Prosecutor: Browsing history
Judge: Warrant?
Prosecutor: Credit card
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
So no link, you selfish bastard (or bitch, as may apply).
It little behooves the best of us to comment on the rest of us.
Yup. Easily circumvents probably a slew of laws by doing it this way.
Is this the point, where EVERYONE jumps on the TOR bandwagon to saturate the pool? Is even TOR even useful anymore?
Even if you find a VPN provider who is contractually obligated to not sell your browsing history, they're still a target by agencies and NSL's, and clandestine groups to infiltrate.
It's a crap-shoot all around.
GOP-installed? Yea, they elevated him to the Chair, but don't forget that that Ajit Pai was put on the commission by Obama. He's a grandstanding tool (and former lawyer for Verizon through his old firm).
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Good thing the swamp is drained and big money is out of government. Yeah feeling like everything is great again.
The digital harvest is just about complete. I swear I really am thinking of just unplugging from the digital world. The only way to stop this is by not participating.
Everyone seems to be reacting as if ISPs are suddenly going to start selling all your personal info in a major blow to Internet privacy, but these FCC rules just went into effect at the beginning of January, and were enacted because ISPs were doing it already. So we're really just back to the status quo.
ISPs still see your metadata - sites you visit, URLs/pages requested, how long you're there, OS types, browser types etc etc. https doesnt hide anything in that respect. All of that data can be digested and packaged up into something worth selling to whom ever wants to buy it.
ok, so you tunnel it all over a VPN, if the end end point is in the US, well then they get see all your browsing metadata. If the end point is somewhere else then the geoblocking will screw up a ton of stuff if you like to stream TV etc, not to mention everything else will be slow because its then traversing international pipes twice short of using a VPN to Canada as close as possible to where you are, and adding exceptions for things that otherwise are geoblocked in Canada..
No simple way out of it.
He did not reject both parties. Both parties along with MSM rejected him. What he did do was cause all the mega donors to lose all the money they invested in their preferred candidate. Trump has also exposed a very dangerous concept. You can disapprove and hate a candidate or the person who is actually elected but do need to respect the office of the President and also respect the system. But it is clear that both the citizens and the politicians from all sides have abandoned this concept. When Clinton lost the losers started attacking the Electoral College as something that needs to be eliminated but if they had won the election they would be falling all over themselves support the Electoral College and ridicule anyone suggesting the Electoral College be changed or eliminated. That type of duplicity and situation policy making will do more harm to the US even if Trump held office for the next 20 years. As it sits now their is nobody in Washington doing their proper job which is to manage US public policy. All these honor less jackass's are doing is holding political motivated investigations and hearings.
I am just happy that none of the hot topic governmental decisions or actions do not effect me. I am a 35 year old white male, heterosexual, college educated, widower, with a high paying job that comes with generous health care and investment benefits. My lot in life would be exactly the same if Clinton had won the election. About the only thing that worries me is how the major news outlets are publishing along party lines instead of just providing factual information. They can have opinion pieces but they don't belong on the front page. Ever news outlet in the US has morphed into the National Enquire. Loud and bold Headlines are never supported in the actual article but these bold headlines do attract a lot of clicks.
Let me guess, you are a Sanders or Stein supporter who's biggest concern is legal weed. Fuck right off.
don't forget that that Ajit Pai was put on the commission by Obama.
Yes, but details, son! Commissions like the FCC are required to have members from both parties. while the chair position may be chosen by the President. Obama installed Pai because he had to. Wikipedia: "He was initially nominated for a Republican Party position on the commission by President Barack Obama at the recommendation of Mitch McConnell. He was confirmed unanimously by the United States Senate on May 7, 2012, and was sworn in on May 14, 2012, for a five-year term."
He's a grandstanding tool (and former lawyer for Verizon through his old firm).
Sadly, this is quite true. Fox running the henhouse, and it's dinner-time.
Take it easy, Charlie, I've got an Angle...
So many pathetic commenters. You deserve what's happening.
Instead of complaining, let's do something. What are the best and cheapest VPNs out there? Do something useful instead of complaining.
You can throw up speedbumps to what they can see, and limit the sharing quite a bit.
Do you?
I know how to do that - but I do not.
Do you think even 1% of non technical people do anything like that?
For 99.9% of ISP users it doesn't matter if technically they COULD POSSIBLY limit tracking of someone like Facebook or Google to be more limited than your ISP - in practice there is no difference.
Because they tried price discrimination once, and it blew up on them badly.
Ha Ha they offer dynamic pricing all the time, even now. Some "blow up".
I see this all-or-nothing bullshit all the time.
Now THAT is some grade A dripping wet irony.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
Even better, they'll get a bulk discount.
The rules Obama put into place to take effect AFTER HE LEFT OFFICE (not during his 8 years in power) were a joke, a typical partisan political hand grenade.
Those rules did NOTHING about Democrat-aligned multinational megabusinesses like Apple and Google. They did NOTHING to protect the privacy of internet users and were really just a hassle for internet related businesses that were not as in-bed with the Democrats.
Just how much of your personal info was your ISP selling to any and all bidders during Obama's years in the White House when Obama's new rules did not apply to them? Now just how much of your info were Apple, Google, Facebook, etc getting rich selling to the highest bidders during those same years and even now and how much more were they going to do had these rules (which did not apply to them) stayed in effect?
Obamabots have got to be the most gullible, unthinking, talkinbgpoint spouting idiots in the entire political spectrum (sigh)
A VPN will shut out your ISP.
The funny thing about that point is that it is even easier to block what your ISP can see (via VPN) than it is someone like Facebook or Google, which will happily discern who you are whatever IP you come through or from.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
How does Facebook and Google see that I binge-play Elder Scrolls Online an entire night?
Because they see your "signal" go dark for the night and you talk about it on some service later that Google can see (i.e. they know now). Or maybe the company that runs Elder Scrolls just told them since there is nothing stoping THEM from selling your info.
Meanwhile if you had played over a VPN your ISP would know nothing. They are literally the only service it's actually possible to keep in the dark, yet you want to make a fuss about what they can see.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I happened to be at the National Zoo in DC this weekend. Please be nicer to orangutans and don't compare them to the current Oval Office occupant. They are intelligent, interesting, and they seem to have a sense of humor.
You can choose to use or not use Facebook.
Wrong.
You can choose not to use the Facebook UI or to register with them. But you have no easy way for them not to know who you are as an entity, and what you do. You know how there is a Facebook "Like" button on every page? Yeah.
That is doubly true of Google... or anyone that runs a large ad network.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I have used BREITBART.COM to find a sex partner
Yeah I choose that one, at least I would have someone who would put out unlike you impotent sexless Trump Haters.
Anyone standing on their ideological platforms on either side are idiots.
Democrats, Republicans heck they both are just opposite sides of the same rotten to the core coin.
If you are online today, everything you do is being monitored, read, used for marketing and backed up so it will come back on you years from now.
The only things you have which are secure are the thoughts in your mind. And that is only true until you start talking or typing.
Government will always be invasive, that is what government is all about. And it does not matter who is in charge.
looks like south park wasn't too far off.
How detailed will the ISP's logging of web history be?
Suppose an ISP gathers and stores everyone's web history, and that anyone with money will be able to purchase the web history from the ISP's, and then would be able to correlate the posting time of a comment with a search of the ISP's web logs to personally identify who made that post.
A boon for lawyers and corporations that wants to know the actual identity of who made a negative post on Yelp.
And how about your 4 million millionaires in the USA, who could probably afford the cost of the ISP logs for their state or locality, some of whom may wish to dox their competitors.
This is really going to be fun when we get to purchase the web history of the families of all our congressmen.
Allowing the selling off browser history in a country that private contractors supply arms for the military a dangerous and reckless action that has terrible consequences that threaten America's security.
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So in summary, the FCC goes back to not regulating this, just like they didn't regulate this until oh... all of 6 months ago?
The rules Congress just disapproved were passed in October 2016. The Internet survived just fine for decades without the FCC's rules. Pretty sure the sky isn't going to fall as a result of these regulations only lasting a few months.
The party of stupid and the party of evil get together and do something both stupid and evil, then call it bipartisan.
They also believe that 9/11 was an inside job, the lunar landings were a hoax, the holocaust never happened (nor the cold war either), and that the earth is actually flat.
OpenVPN can perform very well. It can definitely handle the amount of traffic a family at home produces. I've setup openvpn for storage replication from datacenter to datacenter and was able to hit ~900Mbps sustained on 1Gbps NIC.
If you use your ISP's DNS resolvers they'll still see your DNS lookups. Use resolvers on your VPN network if you can.
I don't think it's ironic. I think it very telling of their definition of freedom. Just like the argument of BSD vs GPL.
Guess it's time to get dd-wrt and openvpn running at home again.. we shouldn't have to protect ourselves from an ISP that we pay every damn month!
I go 100 platitudes, but a relevant one ain't one.
The vote counts in the OP are significantly in error according to official tallies
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll202.xml
This shows 15 republicans voted against the measure.
Final vote was 215 to 205.
It's a pretty transparent astroturf technique. Overwhelm your readers, wearing down any actionable mentality into apathy. Works pretty good whenever I see it. It comes up in about every topic like this one.
Buy a good VPN everyone.
FYI. Opera was sold and is now owned by Golden Brick Capital Private Equity Fund I Limited Partnership, a consortium of Chinese investors.
Wanna bet Opera's vpn doesn't ever phone home? I wouldn't.
He rejected both parties because he's worse than either one. And you're the dumbass that got fooled.
good point. We need to allow speech detection to allow the phone companies to market products you might be interested in.
Your ISP can still see the destination, HTTPS or no. So if you're hitting up their DNS for pornhub's IP, https isn't helping a whole lot. And if the URL you visit is https://amazon.com/golfclubs - they still already know enough about you to sell something to advertisers, without seeing the details of the site.
18 years of either using college workstations and the first few WiFi hotspots on a college campus, to using library WiFi, public WiFi, and NeighborFi. Someone else can add up the money I have saved in cable bills over that time.
I have a feeling that the conservatives who killed off the local ISPs, community fiber-optic ISPs, anonymous mesh networks, and public "one-time-fee" community internet will not be going against the rich and powerful cable companies anytime soon.
I'm just surprised more nerds don't reject the powerful cable companies and find other ways to get on-line.
You want evidence of price discrimination, change your location to Australia. Boom - everything just doubled in price. Steam, Apple, Amazon, Microsoft - they all do it. It's even got a name (australiatax). It's even cheaper to fly to the USA to buy from these companies and then fly back, than to buy it here (https://www.neowin.net/news/its-cheaper-to-fly-to-the-usa-than-buy-adobe-cs6-in-australia). Amazon is most certainly one of the guilty parties here.
* Note: Trump admitted on Howard Stern's show that he was exposed to STDs in the 80s.
Why is Snark Required?
You're okay with powerful government already busted several times for spying on Americans, but should BigTelCo do it, you're OUTRAGED!!!!
Why cant we be "OUTRAGED" at both?
Fast Federal Court and I.T.C. updates
Let me guess, you are a Sanders or Stein supporter who's biggest concern is legal weed. Fuck right off.
I don't think Sanders gives a crap about weed. He cares about our system being owned by those already in power. Trump's campaign had a similar message, too bad he's a charlatan.
Fast Federal Court and I.T.C. updates
I assume you mean that the National Enquirer would buy them to simply burn the documents. They are robust Donald Trump supporters and currently feature a story on the front page proclaiming "Trump finally caught the WH leaker!"
The best media outlet to sell them to would be Penthouse or Hustler.
I wouldn't expect any legal repercussions for the packet-sniffer as we just saw Rachel Maddow handling Trump's tax returns from 2005 and she is not in jail.
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I look forward to hearing about some ISP sticking all this data in an internet facing, insecure MongoDB and it all being leaked. Then we'll all be able to search people's entire online lives on pastebin. And you know this shit is going to happen, too.
Even easier, PornHub doesn't use SSL, traffic is not encrypted, and your ISP is most likely already selling your midget milf interest to the highest bidder.
At least that's what I was told by a friend.
Trump's not perfect, but at least he rejected both parties. You need to learn to appreciate that, and stop getting herded around like sheep.
You don't think you are being treated like sheep by the bully? Trump behaves like he was the Emperor of China - and with as much competence as they generally had just before they were overthrown - but as we can all see, he is only a mandarin (*wink* *wink*, did you see what I did there?)
I use Opera which has a free built-in VPN...
... provided by some nice Chinese people.
If you fly to the USA and buy stuff and bring it back you have to bear in mind import duties and the lack of consumer protection. It probably doesn't actually end up cheaper, or not by much.
Soul collector? I'm pretty sure that breaches the invocation not to be evil.
They didn't need to? By doing this, a future Democratic controlled FCC can't re-instate even a vaguely similar rule without another bill to repeal this one being passed by Congress, which unlike this is vulnerable to filibusters in the Senate. That's why they did this. They're ensuring that any regulations Obama was foolish enough to enact in his final months of office can never be reinstated unless the Senate goes 60-40 Democrats again in our lifetimes.
The rest, enjoy how creepy your world becomes.
I do not want your cheap brainburning drugs. They are useless for work. And I am a working man today.
The assumption has been that the FCC can regulate particularly bad data sharing policies with no regulation for most of the time.
It's only fairly recently that various court decisions limiting the FCCs power in practice have arisen, raising the issue.
So, effectively, combined with a new government that is certain not to push for enforcement against even very bad sharing, any sharing is now essentially unregulated, whereas before it was assumed that the FCC had regulatory power.
I am just happy that none of the hot topic governmental decisions or actions do not effect me.
Of course they do. Trump is sure to expand visa programs after claiming that he would diminish them, for example. He's stepped up programs that cause people to hate us, which creates more terrorists. Under his watch, congress is selling out our data. I don't know how you imagine these things don't affect you, but get ready. You'll soon see that they do.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
If your records are for sale to anybody, no warrants will be required for any government agency to purchase them.
For all their empty talk of "freedom", the Republican party sure seems to love authoritarian rule.
Oh totally, I also love how Republicans always say they are for smaller government, but if you do any sort of math you realize that this means more power in the hands of fewer people. How exactly is that better for the American people? How is it even better for the economy? I have never met a Republican who was able to counter that argument, in fact I have had a few who changed sides after they thought about it for a couple of weeks and realized that they were being screwed violently and without any lube by the people they voted for.
Hmm, no, what we tell you is that https does not do nearly as much to protect your privacy as you might expect. Traffic analysis on the metadata alone is enough to even isolate which objects you are receiving/sending depending on exactly what site you are connecting to, and likewise may leak what site you are connecting to.
Also, the ISP can actively MITM *every* connection, allowing for automated, orchestrated attacks against any PKI we might attempt to deploy to work around the fact that it is trivial to bypass the https CA system against joe-random user (by simply replacing x509 certificates in-transit). DNSSEC (NSEC3) might help, but it is not nearly widespread enough to. And now, it is even more unlikely that it will ever be.
OK, the reason they can do this the way they are is because the regulation in question is NEW. That means it has only been in effect for a short period of time. In other words, this law only returns things to the state they were in less than TWO YEARS ago.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Time to run constant scripted searches for nuclear goat porn. I can't wait to see a marketing meeting with on particular area on the graph labeled "alpha blocking condoms" or "geiger vibrator" or "tips for cleaning irradiated poo off your floor". ...."Dear Abby, why does my goat glow at night?".......
Apart from IP addresses (and DNS lookups) ... what can they sniff and sell? If we HTTPS all the things ... they wont really have access to as much as we think they do.
What do you mean they THINK they have that blanck check? To me it looks as if they have it.
This is what you get in a system where the winner takes all.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
No. I have nothing to hide, as I am not ashamed of watching Japanese Tentacle Porn (bookmarked, no need to search for it). That does not mean everybody should be able to see what I do.
It is none of anybodies business what sites I go to, be it porn or Slashdot.
If you are not able to do what you want without being watched, you are not free.
Land of the brave, home of the free? Ha!
For the people, by the people? Haha!
All these values look nice on a wall, but if you are unable to defend them and if there are no consequences if you violate them, they mean nothing.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
My personal information including surfing and/or browsing habbits is MY intellectual property, and my ISP was served notice of such.
What if somebody else uses your WIFI and browse for something you have no interest in, yet your ISP sells that information, so all of a sudden you start getting phone calls of people trying to sell you fishing gear, which is a problem if you don't fish.
This.
DNS leaks on both ends unless you are using something like DNSCryprt, which is free, BTW. If you are using DNSCrypt along with something like OpenDNS or Google DNS and a VPN like OpenVPN, you have eliminated most of your worries. Also use HTTPS everywhere, uBlock Origin, Decentraleyes, and Privacy Badger. These steps should insulate you pretty well.
At the very least, use Opera browser with VPN enabled and DNSCrypt along with OpenDNS or Google DNS.
The thing is that if everybody voted for the third party, THEY would become the people with ALL the power and it won't end well.
The problem is 'winner takes all'. If you would have say 5 parties in government, you would need to add some water in the wine to get it passed and people would have an option to vote what is closes to what they want. e.g. Gay marriage with guns and stronger laws for companies, but no abortion; while taxing the rich more.
Don't fight for your country, if your country does not fight for you.
You liberals don't get it. You think the health care reform was about making money for the rich? Obamacare has resulted in health care benefits to some people, but the rates have doubled or even trippled for others. The rich and powerful aren't part of that, they are self insured. Only the poor and middle class have to use Obamacare, so it's already ripping us off.
Actually, what this did is remove the FCC from doing what the FTC has been doing. It eliminates duplicity: where the FTC had been doing the job, Wheeler (of Obama's FCC) voted to insert itself into the game and to do the same thing, so now, with this bill, instead of two alphabet agencies doing the job that one used to do successfully, one will continue doing the job it has been doing all along. Your privacy rules are still safe because the FTC never stopped defending them.
No one is forcing you to do business with said ISP. Unfortunately, in some parts of the country these guys have monopolies due to localized monopoly laws but that is a separate issue.
When I said "it's not just one party doing it", I was replying to the Democrats taking away all our rights. The Republicans also obviously have a big part in taking away our rights.
I'll see your senator, and I'll raise you two judges.
The vote numbers the author listed are incorrect. It was 215 to 200. No democrats voted for it (like in the Senate) and a number of Republicans voted against it (just 7 more an it would have been killed). If the Senate vote had come after the House vote, it would have been killed for sure. Still want to know why it wasn't filibustered in the Senate. Here's the roll call for these numbers:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...
Oddly, the FCC rule that this removes was never in effect until December. So, before then these ISP's were already selling our data.
Not really.
I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job. I do believe many Muslims in America cheered on that day, and many of them were living in New York and New Jersey.
I trust that we did land men on the Moon, returned them to Earth, and could do it again.
The Earth is not, in fact, flat.
The Nazi Holocaust, one of several attempted genocides in human history, did happen. I've met both survivors and liberators.
I believe that Trump ran as a Republican, but was rejected by the GOP leadership and most Republican elected representatives, which is obvious upon inspection of the record. He has no friends in either party leadership. And the GOP leadership is dedicated to avoiding defeat, rendering them virtually (in the literal sense of that word) unable to govern.
I believe that my Internet provider has been selling data on how I use their service despite and ind defiance of existing laws. And repealing any regulation or law to prevent it will change little or nothing. Even accountability cannot be legislated in the current environment. Pretending your Internet use is in any way secret is fantasy, and you should act as if everything it known and used to your disadvantage. Want proof?
- Search for 'Shipping Containers'
- Watch the ads you see change to focus on shipping containers. Everywhere. For a long time.
- Search for something you want to buy.
- Then buy it.
- Watch the ads focus on the item you no longer need to purchase.
- When you do look to purchase something, especially a commodity item, watch for pricing to change as much as +/- 150% across different sites. Remember who wanted to overcharge you.
- Learn to ignore online ads, or, if you wish to punish them, take a moment and click through in a new window or tab. Leave it there and go on about your business. Let them build a false profile, and false empty clicks.
We have been inundated by advertising all my life. TV and radio commercials focused on the assumed audience. Print ads less so, so more and more outrageous. Streaming your TV doesn't solve it, it focuses their attention - they no longer have to shotgun the ads at a wide audience based on brute force metrics, they can literally hit you between the eyes because you streamed 'xxx'. As if the apps, services, all that weren't gathering up information about you to sell everywhere, even back to your ISP, so they know how much to overcharge you.
Really, you think you're going to win any of this? NO, we should be looking to profit from the use of our information. Even discounts based on preferential marketing aren't enough. When we can make them pay us for our eyeballs, we have a chance to at least derive some minimal value.
Whatever you think, Trump is either the cure or the symptom. He is not the disease, and he is not part of the problem. He may not be the solution, but he is not what came before. That alone is not a negative. Get over it. The U.S. government is out of control, and it will be a painful process to either rein it in or succumb to it. Which path will we choose?
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Since it is now for sale. What is the cost of getting all of the ISP information for every Congressman and Senator? An curious citizenry want's to know.
Calvin:Do you believe in the devil? Hobbes:I'm not sure man needs the help.
Unfortunately I did not experience that. I voted for one of the other ones but and even if everyone who voted 3rd party in my stat had voted for one of the major party ones it still wouldn't have flipped the outcome of my state.
Time to offend someone
Democrats do not, in any way shape or form, want to keep people from negative consequences.
If that were true, there wouldn't be any "social safety net". The problem is, people tend to get tangled up in the nets. Social Security keeps people from the some of the negative consequence of not saving for retirement. WIC and Medicaid keep people from some of the negative consequences of having children out of wedlock. People in either one of these circumstances are better off than if the safety nets didn't exist, but they are worse off than if they had exercised personal responsibility in the first place. Scared and dependent is exactly where the Democrats want people to be so they have a locked in constituency.
Taking guns away from the 99% gives the 1% 100% of the power.
Of course Opera is owned by the Chinese. I feel much better now.
I already surf with a VPN most of the time. Will this protect my privacy, since the VPN will only see me connected to the VPN so there isn't much to disclose there. Now, I'm now worried that my VPN will sell my history.
Source code is available.
VPN is a separate Canadian company.
I don't read your sig. Why are you reading mine?
My first thought is that nobody in their right mind would vote for this unless it was a part of something else that made a lot of sense. There's probably a lot mor eto the story that you aren't hearing because of a biased source.
Bull effin S@@~!! Hillary wouldn't be repealing what Obama did on climate, or most things for that matter. If we didn't have an obstructive govt in the freedom caucus / republicans, we'd be making great progress I believe. Also, you have no way to disprove this, we'll never know, and to say that Democrats are equal in tyranny to the Republicans is just because your opinion is give up.
Welcome to the club, but...
Its been like this for 10 or more years, remember echelon? And it was probably going on well before that.
I have come to realize that once such data collection becomes trivial and cheap, it will be collected by both govt and corps. Information is valuable to both.
Your privacy is gone, it was sold to the highest bidder long ago. Your time would be better spent worrying that the govt is so openly spreading propaganda and misinformation. Many people do not like to think for themselves (because its hard) so they get there opinions from others rather than forming their own conclusions.
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Just so you know, the traditional dress for nuns was a necessity, it was designed to hide pregnancy. It seems that being a priest was a pretty good gig long ago. Much better than being a peasant, got to play with gold object, and were well respected in the fiefdom. With power and desire and all that...
Sic semper tyrannis.
Democrats do not, in any way shape or form, want to keep people from negative consequences.
Many SJWs (who are basically all democrats) think that an inequality of outcome is always a result of inequality of opportunity.
would you stop saying this crap??
the republicans want to lower taxes on the rich and de-regulate everything until there's no gobbmint left. this benefits one small group: the rich.
the democrats want to levy taxes on the rich (as a tradeoff for them receiving the priviledge to get rich from the citizenry), in order to pay for infrastructure and social programs and science and art and things that benefit society as a whole in the long run. oh, and they want regulation to keep the corporations accountable and prevent them from poisoning everybody and raping the environment which we all need to live.
so yes, there's a big fucking difference. just because some left-leaning rich democrats have lobbied congress for things that benefit them, doesn't mean the two parties are equal.
https://searchinternethistory.com
Looks like someone is going to start buying congress critters history for all the world to see! I for one, approve of this site.
It would be really nice if these assholes^Ynice representatives of ours would actually represent the people.
-Miser
VPN, or browse through a cloud computer running x2go.
Cheap storage VM.
Ironically, the "House Freedom Caucus" supported this bill.
It's not ironic at all, it's totally in the interests of freedom to not have the government say what ISPs can and cannot do with their data.
Will your data be mined if you VPN to an out-of-country provider?
FTFY
Actually there is a difference. Google is using their data internally and only for product placement. Annoying, yes. Nefarious, no. That kind of data could be used for all sorts of things completely unrelated to trying to get me to buy a company's goods and services. RESIST
Let's start a crowd source campaign to raise money to buy all the internet history of the people who voted for this and publish it to wikileaks. If it sells for $10k per, then we're looking at a goal of just short of $3 million.
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It's not the ISPs' data, though. It's their customers' data.
Your data individually has almost no value, like arround some dollars max a year. You have the right to buy it.
One side, there shall be a precendent case of suing your ISP to buy your own data with exclusive right.
Another side, when it comes to business law, when you produce something called a "product" (in this case your data), you have your word to say on it whatever the congress vote.
(sorry for the typos, my english is not top top)
$35-70 billion?
Is the average household's Internet info really worth $350?
Partisan politics is a trap and if you fall into it you are a complete fool, and no, your money and status do not exempt you from this
Hmm, no, what we tell you is that https does not do nearly as much to protect your privacy as you might expect. Traffic analysis on the metadata alone is enough to even isolate which objects you are receiving/sending depending on exactly what site you are connecting to, and likewise may leak what site you are connecting to.
Also, the ISP can actively MITM *every* connection, allowing for automated, orchestrated attacks against any PKI we might attempt to deploy to work around the fact that it is trivial to bypass the https CA system against joe-random user (by simply replacing x509 certificates in-transit). DNSSEC (NSEC3) might help, but it is not nearly widespread enough to. And now, it is even more unlikely that it will ever be.
Also, so many websites fuck up their own certificates and web servers so often that it's far, far more likely that when you see your web browser screaming at you that something is wrong with the certs that you'll just ignore it.
I'd say Habeus Corpus was kind of important, lost in NDAA 2012. We're now as advanced a society as we were in the 1100s.
Obama did everything he could to continue taking rights away from the people! He renewed the f&%&ing Patriot Act!
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/243850-obama-signs-nsa-bill-renewing-patriot-act-powers
Whatever you think, Trump is either the cure or the symptom. He is not the disease, and he is not part of the problem.
What? Of course he is. He is not the whole disease, but he is part of the disease. Think of THE PROBLEM (greed) like HIV. It attacks the immune system and makes you susceptible to other illnesses (Clinton, Trump, etc.)
Trump is a hypocrite. What more do you really need to know?
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
I believe that my Internet provider has been selling data on how I use their service despite and ind defiance of existing laws. And repealing any regulation or law to prevent it will change little or nothing. Even accountability cannot be legislated in the current environment.
I don't understand all the excuses being made for Trump and the Republicans. They sell out the interests and rights of the individual to unethical companies, and you just say "it doesn't really change anything". That's like saying that murder is happening anyway, so might as well legalize it. People are going to murder each other either way, right? To strike a little closer to home - should we just go ahead and open the borders and let any immigrant in? After all, immigrants are already coming over illegally, and to borrow your terminology "any regulation or law to prevent it will change little or nothing."
Admit it, this is the Republicans giving carte blanche to ISPs to totally sell out their customer's privacy. Stop rationalizing it.
Whatever you think, Trump is either the cure or the symptom. He is not the disease, and he is not part of the problem. He may not be the solution, but he is not what came before. That alone is not a negative.
Trump is a self-centered demagogue and he's incompetent to boot, and it's shocking that anybody with the sense to put a coherent sentence together doesn't see right through it. Trump is the symptom, the disease, and a huge part of the problem, even if there are forces that have helped to get him to where he is. Just because Trump is different, does not mean that he is in any way better. Cancer is different than the cold or the flu, but that doesn't make it a remedy to either disease.
For all their empty talk of "freedom", the Republican party sure seems to love authoritarian rule.
Randians (especially) and Libertarians have this fantasy of a free market, that an enlightened populace will choose the best value. This doesn't happen in practice, but it's why they detest a government telling them how to sell and how to do things, but they're totally fine with "huge conglomerate X" dictating terms that the little guy can't fight against. For them, if you're doing business with "huge conglomerate X," it's because you like them and you want to. They believe that absolute government hands-off means that the companies will reflect the actual will of the people because otherwise people would take their business elsewhere.
HIPAA has only ever governed health providers, insurance companies, and health clearing houses or some other phrase I can't remember. It doesn't govern lawyers, the company you work for, your ISP, your dog, or the guy that snoops through your trash. That's why situations like this http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/... are not HIPAA violations.
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Exactly, which is why I use an always-on VPN that has its own no-logging DNS servers and whose VPN client implements DNS leak protection.
Oh, oh. Be afraid. Be very afraid!
America’s first national motto(1782): E pluribus unum (Out of many, one.)
America’s second national motto(1956): In God we trust.
America’s third national motto(2017): The best government money can buy.
Oh, oh. Be afraid. Be very afraid!
I'd be happy with aware. Barring that, awake would do.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
And are telcos allowed to *sell* that list of calls to the highest bidder? Are they allowed to sell the location those calls came from?
The reality is, the sites you visit on the internet say *far* more about you than a list of phone numbers. They also know when & where you were, any time your cellphone sends or receives a packet. And if you bought your cellphone from your ISP, they likely know more than you dreamed possible (look up CarrierIQ). They know more about you than Google could ever hope - and now that's all up for sale. Good luck avoiding that.
No functional difference?
I didn't vote for either. But:
Which party is dismantling the FCC, the EPA, NOAA, NASA, Education, Health...?
Yes the Republicans have been pushing for this since SOPA,
What? SOPA was mostly democrats.
I know this is pointless because you posted as an AC and aren't coming back, but YES. There are currently no laws that prevent telephone companies from selling your list of calls to someone else. Amazing huh? Took 10 seconds on google.
You can't tell the truth like this on Slashdot! You need to sign up for feigned righteous indignation training immediately, along with a prescription for pills that keep you in a continuous state of angst and despair. Please stop consuming news from a variety of sources, and start getting all your information from reliable purveyors of truth such as the Huffington Post, or WND.
Murphy was an optimist
I called my congressman and two senators, who all voted yes, to ask why they did so. The staffer for the congressman said that the resolutions supposedly provides for aggregation. I've read nothing in the resolution, or the 3 or 4 articles about the resolution, that says there was any aggregation of records. Did I miss something? Why do this at all if there is aggregation? Isn't the point of this to sell stuff directly to people? How would that work if there is aggregation?
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negative consequences of having children out of wedlock
I think you are confused. Being married has nothing to do with how capable you are of raising children.
Is the voting record always published in such an obfuscated way?
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2017/roll202.xml
Last names mostly all names are merged with the vote.
AbrahamYea
AdamsNay
AderholtYea
AguilarNay
AllenYea
AmashNay
AmodeiYea
ArringtonYea
Warrants from benjamin franklin won't likely hold enough weight you need salmon p chase, maybe ten of them will get into the game.
NoScript+RequestPolicy+Disconnect makes one quite difficult to track...
And what are these "ads" you're talking about? Does it have something to do with adblock?
Your privacy is gone because your neighbor doesn't care about his. In selling his privacy for a discount on bread and circuses he also sold yours, without your consent. Not just him, his other neighbors, and the guys up the street, and the nice lady around the corner ... they all did it too.
Privacy was an illusion anyway (but that is a different story altogether)
Agent K: A *person* is smart. People are dumb, stupid, panicky animals, and you know it.
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When Clinton lost the losers started attacking the Electoral College as something that needs to be eliminated but if they had won the election they would be falling all over themselves support the Electoral College and ridicule anyone suggesting the Electoral College be changed or eliminated.
Actually, the only loser here was Trump who was desperate enough to claim a landslide, then furthered it by manufactured claims about illegal votes.
Opposition to the Electoral College, and to the Malapportionment in the House existed before this election, before Bush in 2000, and if you want to see a corrupt bargain, try 1824 or 1876.
Now? You have people telling you that they told you so, and will next year, and the year after.
When will you listen?
That type of duplicity and situation policy making will do more harm to the US even if Trump held office for the next 20 years.
The only person with a documented record of duplicity on the electoral college is Donald J. Trump.
That said, I would not be surprised if he tried to abrogate the 22nd Amendment as well. Fortunately, dud to his age and incompetence, it is likely to be a nonissue.
What? SOPA was mostly democrats.
Not really the issue that is coming through here. Support and opposition was mostly bipartisan, but as a matter of principle, it came from different directions.
One of the factors from the right in opposition was "Screw Hollywood" a sentiment that doesn't quite hit Madison Avenue. Nor does it quite develop a true sense of privacy among a lot of the right. Rand Paul is still an outlier, after all.
Do you believe the bs that you spew, or are you aware that you're an indoctrinated puppet?
How did you guys get so brainwashed? None of this makes any sense from an analytical perspective. Have you considered that maybe "the enemy" isn't really your enemy, and maybe they're telling the truth about the media manipulating the masses, and maybe the media has more control over your own opinions than you'd like to admit?