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Android Overtakes Windows as the Internet's Most Used Operating System (betanews.com)

As expected last month, Android has surpassed Windows to become the world's most used operating system, according to the web analytics firm StatCounter. From a report: Usage figures published by StatCounter show that Android accounted for 37.93 percent of the worldwide OS Internet usage share in March. Windows is not far behind at 37.91 percent, but Android taking the lead is being described as a "milestone in technology history." The fact that Android is now topping the charts can be attributed to the fact that mobile devices are now used to connect to the Internet far more frequently than desktop computers and laptop. Coupled with declining PC sales, Windows is starting to lose out overall, although it still accounts for 84 percent of the worldwide desktop operating system market.

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  1. Re:even more tilted than it seems by Matt.Battey · · Score: 1

    Even while at work... The BYOD and lack of privacy when accessing the internet at work is driving employees to use their mobile devices for communication.

  2. Windows is a "toy" by Air-conditioned+cowh · · Score: 1, Troll

    "Windows is too difficult for the average person to use. That is why it will never gain popularity succeed as an operating system." I always wanted to say that!

    1. Re:Windows is a "toy" by zlives · · Score: 1

      the shoe... it finally fits?!!

    2. Re:Windows is a "toy" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      It was fine up to 7. It's since 8 that the nightmare started

  3. The year of the Linux. . . by Idou · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My sister was chiding me a while back about me saying over a decade ago that "Linux" usage was going to explode and "that ended up not happening at all." I then pointed out that Android was Linux and that the Personal Computer had just shrank to cellphone size. That shut her up good. . . : p

    I am now living the dream, working in a start-up where the flagship product runs on. . . you guessed it, Linux. We have come a long way. It will be interesting to see where the next decade takes us.

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    1. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by jeremyp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Android isn't really Linux. Yes, buried in there somewhere is a Linux kernel, but the kernel is not the operating system.

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    2. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by TWX · · Score: 1

      Perhaps the nitpickers were right when they wanted us to call it "GNU/Linux" back in the day.

      Hell, my Apple laptop with OSX has more in common with Linux from an end-user point of view as far as UNIX-style tools and privilege escalation are concerned than my Android phone does.

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    3. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So because Android doesn't include GNU component, you don't consider it Linux despite the fact that it runs the same kernel as your favorite distribution. Okay smart guy....

    4. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by TWX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you're being pedantic about it, Android's claim to Linux is just as strong, what it lacks is the GNU toolkit and the general base of additional software that one normally finds on a UNIX-like system. The Android shell, whatever it happens to be called, is intended to obscure what's underneath and it does a pretty good job of that.

      I sort of see why they did that. Windows users were accustomed to running with account privileges that left the platform vulnerable to exploit. Android largely has avoided that through simply not giving the end user the ability to have those kinds of access privileges through native tools. This also forces application developers to design software that doesn't require those kinds of superuser access privileges, so that the whole system remains relatively secure compared to the morass that Microsoft's OSes have been for the past twenty-five years.

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    5. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Android is Linux in the same way your bank's ATM is Windows. It's certainly not what most people experience as Linux. While the ATM might well be Windows, all that a user is exposed to are the buttons for deposits, withdrawals, account statements, et al.

      For any computer user, Linux would be an OS that would either take them to a bash shell, or to an X/Wayland based desktop environment, like KDE, GNOME, XFCE, et al. If somebody who's using a gun that uses Linux for internal calibration of target orientation, that person is not a 'Linux user' the way most people understand it, even if Linux forms the underpinnings of the instrument he's using.

      What you could have pointed your sister to could have been ChromeOS: it's been gaining popularity, and once Windows becomes totally a subscription based OS, ChromeOS is likely to explode.

    6. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by Idou · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Android isn't really Linux. Yes, buried in there somewhere is a Linux kernel

      It uses the Linux kernel but is not really "Linux" seems to be some arbitrary constraint you have invented. Maybe my original post lacked context: my sister is a non-techy. I was never expecting her to use GNU tools, etc. . .

      but the kernel is not the operating system.

      You seem so confident, yet not everyone seems to agree with you.

      I am sure that if Chrome OS took over you would have a reason to say why THAT is not really Linux. Such is the world through the eyes of a pedant. Meanwhile, the rest of us will be able to appreciate the underlying point that Open Source and its flag ship project (Linux) is having an impact we could not even dream of a decade or so ago.

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    7. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by MightyMartian · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Um, yes, it's Linux, just as much as any embedded Linux-based OS is Linux. True, it may not be the Stallman-esque "GNU/Linux", in that it has very little of the GNU toolset, but that's true of most embedded Linux systems (i.e. anything with BusyBox).

      So yes, it is Linux, just as much as, say, a WR54G is a Linux-based system.

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    8. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      So what you're saying is that PC-BSD is more Linux than Android is Linux? That's a very convoluted rationale you have. All those years of Stallman saying that you should say GNU/Linux because the core utilities, C library, and so on are at least as important as the kernel, and now people are saying that a system without those components but with Linux is not Linux.

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    9. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 2

      Android isn't really Linux.

      Android is an userland built on the Linux kernel, much like GNU is built on the Linux kernel.

      Android is as much Linux as Ubuntu is Linux.

      Yes, buried in there somewhere is a Linux kernel, but the kernel is not the operating system.

      You have a poor definition of operating system because Linux does everything that is required of an operating system. Also, who said anything about it being an operating system? The only thing he mentioned was Linux.

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    10. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      The issue is "just how much longer is the desktop going to matter?" It's a question that certainly weighs heavily on the big brains at Microsoft. Sure, in the corporate world desktops are going to be around for some time to come, but in the home consumer world, I think being number one on the desktop is going to become an increasingly hollow claim to fame. And I'd argue even a lot of business activity is increasingly happening on mobile devices (certainly a fair portion of my emails and document reviews are done on my phone).

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    11. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      ...and this (and all the replies) is why people to rant about Stallman being evil because he wants the operating system that combines the GNU userland with the Linux kernel to be called GNU/Linux are hopelessly wrong.

      Linux is, and always was, just the kernel. It always was strange that so many insisted on naming the entire operating system after just one component, still more so the mental gymnastics people would go through to justify it. And the development of Android meant there really wasn't an excuse any more to continue with it - here was an operating system entirely unlike GNU/Linux in any form, and it too used the Linux kernel.

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    12. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by spire3661 · · Score: 2

      I dont consider is 'Linux' because its been 'googled'. AOSP is basically dead.

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    13. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by grumpy_old_grandpa · · Score: 2

      Stallman cleared up that confusion decades ago, by insisting that the complete OS be called GNU/Linux. More recently, in 2011, he also made the Android naming clear:

      "Android is very different from the GNU/Linux operating system because it contains very little of GNU. Indeed, just about the only component in common between Android and GNU/Linux is Linux, the kernel. People who erroneously think "Linux" refers to the entire GNU/Linux combination get tied in knots by these facts, and make paradoxical statements such as "Android contains Linux, but it isn't Linux". If we avoid starting from the confusion, the situation is simple: Android contains Linux, but not GNU; thus, Android and GNU/Linux are mostly different."

      Of course, posting on Slashdot, you ought to know all that. So either congrats on your troll, or please hand in your geek card at the door.

    14. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      It always was strange that so many insisted on naming the entire operating system after just one component

      GNU is not a sexy name, and Linux includes an "x". That's really all there is to it.

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    15. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      If you slap busybox on it, it's still Linux. If you have Android tools running through Bionic, it's still linux. "Adb shell" and all the traditional commands still work fine.

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    16. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I think the direction many "PC"s are going to head is a monitor, keyboard and mouse that your connect your phone or tablet in to. I have a Windows 10 tablet that's a full-functioning Windows 10 install (not Windows 10 mobile OS). Specs aren't that great; crappy two core processor and 2gb onboard RAM and 32gb of flash, but still, it has a micro HDMI port and Bluetooth, so if I wanted to I could upgrade it to Windows 10 Pro and connect up to my organization's Active Directory network. I wouldn't want to run Eclipse on the thing, but it works well enough for Word, Excel and Outlook. I know that's the direction Samsung's moving towards, and I expect all the major mobile manufacturers are going to push towards.

      Actual PCs will probably ultimately be largely used by developers, network admins, engineers and the like, but they'll become an increasingly smaller share of overall sales. Whether prices go up or not I'm not sure, but what I do know is that there are probably only two people in my entire organization (one of them being me) who actually needs a big fat quad-core with 8 or 16gb of RAM and a 2tb hard drive (heck, I probably don't even need the hard drive), and I could probably drop something like my tablet on to their desk and they probably wouldn't even notice it.

      At the moment, however, we are still purchasing towers, but increasingly moving towards the refurb market because specs just aren't that important, and we see little need in investing in new desktops. If the refurbs last a couple of years, we will probably be looking at small factor PCs or even PC sticks.

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    17. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      There are different userland toolkits out there. Busybox and lightweight Bourne-like shells is pretty damned common in the embedded world. Are you saying a WRT54G isn't a Linux-based system because it doesn't have GNU tools? Who the hell cares what the userland looks like?

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    18. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by tepples · · Score: 1

      Has anyone tried to install something like GNURoot Debian and an X server on an Android tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard and then try to run desktop applications? How well does it work?

    19. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Desktop computers running traditional operating systems were never suitable for typical users, they always have been geek toys... Expecting users to worry about updates, drivers, avoiding malware etc was always ridiculous and never going to work. The sooner the vast majority of non technical users have more suitable systems the better.

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    20. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by tepples · · Score: 2

      Saying Android isn't really Linux is like saying Windows 8 isn't really Windows because it changed the application menu.

      That's not quite the best analogy. While Windows 8 can run almost all applications made for Windows 7, Android can't run almost all applications made for GNU/Linux as far as I can tell.

    21. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by TWX · · Score: 1

      How is it obscure when the end user is not given the option of escalating privileges to unnecessary levels?

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    22. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      I think the main difficulty would be graphics drivers, actually.

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    23. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by Blaskowicz · · Score: 1

      The ATM analogy is especially good. On a typical Android device (not everyone has a Galaxy S5 or something where hacks or alternate OS are available) the OS is unchangeable, as good as locked behind steel plates and it encourages "do as you're told" kind of interfaces.

      It's Linux, but less hackable than a handheld console like a Nintendo DS, and you have less freedom than on a Windows (7 Home/Pro, 8 Home/Pro, 10 Enterprise) PC.

    24. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by tepples · · Score: 1

      There is XSDL, which runs on top of Android's built-in graphics framework. I just wondered if anyone here had good or bad experiences getting GNURoot Debian and XSDL to work together, such as if there is any non-obvious configuration that needs to be done or if it's unusably slow or clunky to control.

    25. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by preflex · · Score: 1

      Has anyone tried to install something like GNURoot Debian and an X server on an Android tablet with a Bluetooth keyboard and then try to run desktop applications? How well does it work?

      Yes.

      It works reasonably well, depending on your hardware. It seems slower on newer versions of Android.

    26. Re:The year of the Linux. . . by Trogre · · Score: 1

      Yes it is, just as much as your Fedora desktop or Debian server are Linux.

      It just isn't GNU/Linux.

      Take *that*, Richard Stallman.

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  4. And the funny thing is by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 2

    For a long time, I thought "Android - and its awful datamining daddy Google - is more and more pervasive, but at least Windows isn't serving me ads, and with moderate efforts, isn't putting me under surveillance." Well... ahem... that sure turned out well lately :(

    So the irony is, Android has overtaken Windows as the most used OS, but Windows has overtaken Android as the most evil. And the losers in all that are all of us users.

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    1. Re:And the funny thing is by GerbilSoft · · Score: 3, Informative
    2. Re:And the funny thing is by TWX · · Score: 2

      i was under the impression that Microsoft had solved that with Windows 10.

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    3. Re:And the funny thing is by fred6666 · · Score: 1

      but Windows has overtaken Android as the most evil.

      iOS wins that one hands down, by being so locked down

    4. Re:And the funny thing is by evolutionary · · Score: 1

      Uh...have you heard of Windows 10? It's a spyware + ad trojan. Has a total ad server through it's panes, and info from every file heard is sent to MS (Or more specifically forwarded to the NSA). If anything, Windows 10 is doing MORE data mining, and worse, you cannot control the updates in Home edition without stopping the internal services (so it's pre-hijacked). and even Windows 10 Professional has limited control (again short of killing the windows update service)

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    5. Re:And the funny thing is by bondsbw · · Score: 2

      Yep, and who cares really. If a developer wants to display ads, they will, they don't need some OS library to do it.

      Some of us are annoyed by ads (whether bandwidth/load time or just don't like distractions) but still appreciate the fact that they help keep the Internet cheap.

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    6. Re:And the funny thing is by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 1

      Arguably, it's the 'equivalent infrastructure' bit that is particularly unrealistic. Duplicating a set of software components well enough to allow for drop-in replacement is hard enough; but it's at least theoretically doable if the target isn't moving too fast; and it has been done with varying levels of success.

      "Infrastructure", though, is something that can't exactly be copied at zero marginal cost; and requires substantially more(both in terms of money;and in terms of things like mapping data) than mere API interoperability.

      "API compatible with Google Play Services 10.2" is to "Equivalent infrastructure" roughly what "Eucalyptus" is to "AWS". The one is a piece of software. The other is a great deal bigger.

    7. Re:And the funny thing is by tepples · · Score: 1

      When the OS has a built-in Ads API

      Three words: Unity shopping scope.

    8. Re:And the funny thing is by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      Something else funny. One of Windows 10's problems is you can't turn updates off. One of Androids is, you can't get updates!

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    9. Re:And the funny thing is by martinfb · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you feel entitled to something.
      Why not just install Linux and be free of the majority of commercial endeavors like Google and Microsoft?

      If you REALLY want to avoid 'evils' of commercial companies that rely on income from their (streams), the get off your duff - spend a little energy and install a Linux distro, and be free from commercial products.

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  5. Protip. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Use your own fucking cell connection. MITM "problem" solved.

    1. Re:Protip. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Unlike Wi-Fi, which uses unlicensed spectrum, cellular uses spectrum exclusively licensed to a carrier by a national radio regular. Thus the cellular connection belongs to the carrier, not the subscriber.

    2. Re:Protip. by jon3k · · Score: 1

      "Cell connection ". He's referring to the device's ability to connect to a carrier's cellular network.

    3. Re:Protip. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Then the problem becomes one of getting enough of a raise to afford a cellular data subscription.

    4. Re:Protip. by lazybeam · · Score: 1

      Wow it must be really expensive where you are. I get unlimited calls/text and several gigabytes for around $20 per month. And my country (Australia) is considered expensive.

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    5. Re:Protip. by tepples · · Score: 1

      Prices in the USA for a plan similar to what you describe were about twice that last time I was in Walmart.

  6. Re:even more tilted than it seems by TWX · · Score: 2

    Why would you connect your cell phone or other personal device to your work's network?

    Think of any data cap as a means of throttling your unproductiveness to reasonable levels.

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  7. Re:even more tilted than it seems by networkBoy · · Score: 3, Informative

    I disable WiFi at work. LTE only, and anything I want private (banking, FB, etc.) is done exclusively on my phone.
    -nB

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  8. Windows Phones by allo · · Score: 1

    Microsoft will bringt Windows on phones and then google will learn, what qualiy is ... ... oh wait.

    1. Re:Windows Phones by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      I've owned four Android devices now, and I've never experienced "destabilization". I don't even know what the hell that means,

      But I realize you're a paid shill, so your complaint is just a sheer invention. It's pretty pathetic, shilling for a platform that's all but dead. What's next, "I love my my Amiga because..."?

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  9. Android vs. Windows/Google vs. Microsoft by CAOgdin · · Score: 1

    If Google ever decides to implement the Windows-equivalent model for third-party applications (i.e., more than WINE) and "HAL", it will...for the first time since Windows v1...establish that there is a serious competitor to Windows. We have needed a competitor to Microsoft's dominant OS for a long, long time, if for no other reason than to keep them "honest" (as contrast with, say, the "Free Windows 10" gag that basically thrust all "Beta Testing" onto unsuspecting geeks, which led to the arrogance they exhibit with "we'll decide for you when you should update your system!") And, the arrogance they exhibit with egregious changes in User "Agreements" over the past two years, turning customers into serfs.

    But, for both of these oversized behemoths, you must remember this: If you're not PAYING for the product, you ARE the product being sold. Windows AND Android users are ripe for a revolution against a high-handed, self-interested purveyors of the sole remaining products without competitors, because their respective GUIs are so ubiquitous.

    1. Re:Android vs. Windows/Google vs. Microsoft by Stan92057 · · Score: 1

      "If you're not PAYING for the product, you ARE the product being sold"

      only problem is that windows 10 is no longer free and that MS is doing the exact same things to paying customer as they are the free users. the paying customer have no options better then the free users do, its the very same OS..that to me is MS Abuse..how can it be fixed? don't use win 10 stick with 7 until..but we have no support given by our government that we pay for to stop abuses like MS is pulling on paying customer.

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    2. Re:Android vs. Windows/Google vs. Microsoft by rshimizu12 · · Score: 1

      Google still needs to fix it's update model. Software updates is older hardware is a mess. My S5 comes up with this random "phone has stopped working" error message. The only way to get rid of the message is to reboot the phone. It's ridiculous for a phone that is only 2 years old.

  10. Re:You gotta love these statistics, spot the fake by bgrahambo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And each of those examples you provided is a valid set of statistics to know. It's pretty common to break down usage statistics into certain markets and categories. If you can only handle everything lumped together into one giant category lump, maybe you should stop looking at the more detailed stuff. You certainly shouldn't start complaining about stuff that the rest of us are interested in.

  11. Re:No OS captcha: trolley by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

    Is app short for Advert Presentation Program?

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  12. You're actually not wrong by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    I had a get-together at my house last weekend, family and friends of family.

    We decided on some music. I turned on my windows machine which has some decent speakers on it. Loaded up Youtube and told everyone to have at it.

    A person somewhat younger than me said "Ooo! A mouse. I haven't used one of these in years."

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    1. Re:You're actually not wrong by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      A person somewhat younger than me said "Ooo! A mouse. I haven't used one of these in years."

      Is his first name "Montgomery" by any chance?

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  13. Or... by woboyle · · Score: 1

    Or as we call it, Linux with Java. No Windows systems in our house!

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  14. Re:even more tilted than it seems by pr0fessor · · Score: 1

    Why would you connect your cell phone or other personal device to your work's network?

    The company I work at doesn't allow that... there is no such thing as personal communication over our network all communication belongs to the company not you. It's private in the sense that it is secured against third parties where the company with you as a representative make up the first party.

    There are also secured areas where you are not allowed to take a personal devices like cell phones.

  15. Re:even more tilted than it seems by spire3661 · · Score: 1

    Why are you using Wifi? I use my cell connection everywhere but home.

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  16. Re:No OS captcha: trolley by MightyMartian · · Score: 2

    By that definition, so is Windows 10. And with my Android devices, I don't have ads just randomly appearing on the screen. I actually have to go into Chrome, or install one of those "free" apps.

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  17. Re:even more tilted than it seems by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Citation? At least the US, the FCC is very, very, humorless about anyone nosing in on the spectrum that has been declared the rightful dominion of the cell carriers. The only real exception is transient use of stingrays. Definitely don't bet against IT on the wifi; but attempting to tamper with 4G traffic is inviting a world of pain for rather minimal benefit.

  18. Still a young sector by freax · · Score: 1

    This shows that we are still a young sector. We only have two mainstream operating systems.

    For example the car industry has multiple major mainstream car brands, models and domains (sports cars, SUV, sedan, etc).

    I expect even more kinds of operating systems, operating system brands and operating system principles to become mainstream.

    We're still a young sector.

    1. Re:Still a young sector by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      There used to be many more operating systems in the early days, we've actually regressed in this regard...

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    2. Re:Still a young sector by michael_wojcik · · Score: 1

      We only have two mainstream operating systems

      To whom is this "we" supposed to refer, and what is a "mainstream" operating system?

      Even leaving aside the GNU/Linux-versus-Android debate above, and the fragmentation of both of those camps... Apple's various flavors of iOS / MacOS have around a billion combined users, and they're close enough that they could be considered an OS family like Windows. I regularly deal with a number of UNIX flavors and zOS. Some people treat the various zOS personalities (batch, TSO, CICS, IMS, CMS) as distinct OSes; certainly they have different APIs and UXes. IBM's i OS (the current descendant of OS/400) still has a significant presence too. FreeRTOS, uC/OS, and VxWorks are big in embedded computing.

      Let me guess. There's only one true Scotsman - or two, in this case.

  19. In April 2003 by Mr_Blank · · Score: 2

    It took Microsoft a while to lose the battle as the on ramp to the internet.

    The top post on Slashdot on 02 April 2003 was "Microsoft Wants to Take on Google"

    "We do view Google more and more as a competitor. We believe that we can provide consumers with a better product and a better user experience. That's something that we're actively looking at doing,", says Bob Visse, director of marketing for Microsoft's MSN Internet services division, said.

  20. Downplay truth, distract. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Downplay truth, distract.

  21. This article has a graph. by Khashishi · · Score: 1
  22. Is it corporate cancerism, doc? by shanen · · Score: 1

    "Doctor Android, tell me the truth! Is it corporate cancerism?"

    Just the obligatory weak joke, but the topic is much deeper. I can't decide whether or not this is a good thing.

    Obviously it's basically driven by Moore's Law. We can now pack enough computing power into a smartphone that most people don't need a full-sized computer for their daily tasks. Microsoft sort of saw it coming, but on the distorted and twisted foundation of their cancerously overgrown OSes and bloated applications, they never figured out how to do small things. That left the increasingly important small world to Apple and the google, but I think they are evil, too.

    More or less evil seems like a difficult trade-off, but that seems to be where all our shopping decisions arrive these days. If you can point me at a really large and successful company that is not tainted by the evil, please do so. I'd feel much better.

    I think the real problem is that American capitalism died years ago. What we have now is corporate cancerism. We basically take it for granted that the rules are written by the most cheaply bribed politicians and the bribers are the most dominant and hugest companies working to get rules that eliminate all the "loser" companies. Per my sig, the real EVIL is the resulting loss of freedom as competition is eliminated.

    Do we still have any meaningful freedom in smartphones? At least two choices would be better than one, if you think Apple is competing against the google. However my impression is that relatively few people consider both options. The customers seem to live in like separate, not competing, worlds. Or maybe the choices within the Android world count, even if the google has all of those choices by the balls?

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  23. Re:even more tilted than it seems by tepples · · Score: 1

    If your employer MITMs HTTPS connections, then you need to get a job at a better company.

    And if all employers in a particular (city, industry) pair MITM HTTPS connections, should someone change industry first or change city first?

  24. All maximized all the time by tepples · · Score: 1

    I then pointed out that Android was Linux and that the Personal Computer had just shrank to cellphone size.

    It's too bad these computers are stuck back in the DOS era of one application maximized to fill the whole screen. Even Windows 1.0 could split the screen to put two applications side by side. But with the "all maximized all the time" window management policy of stock Android 1 through 6, you need to buy two devices just to (say) read a document in one application and take notes in another, or have a game and its walkthrough visible. This is despite a tablet's display being (physically) large enough to show the equivalent of two phone displays side by side.

    The multi-window mode in the customized version of Android for select Samsung Galaxy devices is not present in stock Android <= 6. Because of this, applications need to be specially marked in the manifest to be compatible with Samsung multi-window, and many are not. I can run the Chrome web browser and the Skype chat client side by side on my Galaxy Tab A, but opening the Discord chat client causes multi-window to end.

    Android 7 "Nougat" claims to have multi-window mode. But neither of the Android devices I use runs Nougat, despite both being "up to date" according to the update manager in Settings. And I imagine few others have received an OTA upgrade to Nougat either.

    1. Re:All maximized all the time by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I have several complaints about phone/tablet OSs vs those on a REAL computer, but the full-screen stuff is the worst. On a real computer, I'm always copying from one window to another. I don't even try it on my phone; I just wait until I get home to my PC.

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  25. Contrast GNU/Linux and X11/Linux by tepples · · Score: 1

    For any computer user, Linux would be an OS that would either take them to a bash shell

    If you're using GNU's command prompt as the contrast, say "Android doesn't run applications made for GNU/Linux."

    or to an X/Wayland based desktop environment, like KDE, GNOME, XFCE, et al.

    If you're using the X Window System as the contrast, say "Android doesn't run applications made for X11/Linux."

    What you could have pointed your sister to could have been ChromeOS: it's been gaining popularity

    How well does Chrome OS run applications that aren't written in JavaScript, especially while riding a bus in a city whose buses doesn't provide Wi-Fi?

    1. Re:Contrast GNU/Linux and X11/Linux by Xenex · · Score: 1

      Chrome OS running crouton is fantastic. Run Linux apps in Chrome tabs. (Check out xiwi. Running Firefox in a Chrome OS tab is fun!)

      Combined with Android apps on Chrome OS maturing, it's not just about JavaScipt anymore.

  26. "Corporate" vs. "home consumer" dichotomy by tepples · · Score: 1

    Sure, in the corporate world desktops are going to be around for some time to come, but in the home consumer world

    Would an individual author working from home fit better into "the corporate world" category or "the home consumer world"?

    I find it dangerous to assume that all authorship is "corporate", that people at home exclusively "consume", or view works made by others, as opposed to creating works themselves. It promotes the misguided view that only those who gain the approval of incumbent publishers deserve a platform for their speech.

    certainly a fair portion of my emails and document reviews are done on my phone

    How is that practical when your phone can display only one window at once? On a desktop or laptop running X11/Linux, I can split the screen to see the document in one half and an editor for my review comments in the other half. On Android without manufacturer-specific multi-window mode, everything is maximized, and many applications lack support for manufacturer-specific multi-window mode.

    1. Re:"Corporate" vs. "home consumer" dichotomy by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      Purely anecdotally, but most of the people I see using PCs tend to do exactly that, have one window maximized, and any multitasking is via a task bar. Honestly, I doubt if a lot of regular users would care all that much that the device they're using only showed one window at a time. But I'm sure we'll either be seeing ChromeOS become a lot more common, or multiwindow controls being baked into Android.

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  27. X11/Linux and GNU/Linux are correlated by tepples · · Score: 1

    And since when did running the GNU userland represent a requirement for being classified as being "Linux".

    It doesn't. But there is a noticeable correlation between "desktop Linux" and GNU.

    But multi-window graphical display is a practical requirement for a desktop system, so that the user can see both what he's reading and what he's writing. And most multi-window Linux GUIs use the X Window System (or perhaps its direct successors such as Wayland), which is designed to let the user choose a window manager. Where GNU comes in is its correlation with X: GUI Linux distributions that include either X or GNU tend to include both. Fedora and Debian include both; Android includes neither.

  28. Yet I paid for mine by tepples · · Score: 1

    you must remember this: If you're not PAYING for the product, you ARE the product being sold.

    I purchased an ASUS Nexus 7 tablet on Google's store in July 2012. Does that count as "PAYING for the product"?

  29. Five incompatibly different operating systems by tepples · · Score: 1

    The difference is that "multiple major mainstream car brands, models and domains" can drive on the same roads to the same businesses. With computers, on the other hand, you need to make your application five different times to reach users of the five incompatibly different operating systems: Windows, macOS, X11/Linux, iOS, and Android.

  30. 2017 is the year of Linux on the desktop by baker_tony · · Score: 1

    Mark. My. Words.

  31. OS verification is OFF by tepples · · Score: 1

    As I see it, Crouton is for people who live alone, not for people who live with someone far less computer savvy. Installing it requires putting the Chromebook in developer mode, which could also be called "beg whoever turns it on to wipe everything by pressing two keys" mode. If your roommate turns on your Chromebook with Crouton installed, she probably won't know to press Ctrl+D to skip the "OS verification is OFF" interstitial. If she follows the prompts in said interstitial to to reenable OS verification by pressing Space then Enter, do you enjoy having all your work since the last backup powerwashed away and having to reinstall Crouton?

    I have had family members erase my disks by following unsafe defaults that they don't understand. In my case, it was the pixel art editor in The Print Shop on my Apple II offering to "initialize" a floppy disk before saving a custom pixel art image. While I was in the shower, my little brother "initialized" my pixel art disk, not knowing what "initialize" meant but assuming that the default was safe. It wasn't; "initialize" means reformat, which caused me to lose all the pixel art that I had already saved on that disk. I have been wary of buying a Chromebook for the purpose of installing Crouton because I fear that others will likewise follow the prompts to cause me to lose data.

    1. Re:OS verification is OFF by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I do live alone. I think if I didn't, I'd be paranoid about backups regardless of what OS I was using. The thought of someone else messing up my machine gives me the shivers.

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  32. Largely irrelevant by rshimizu12 · · Score: 1

    It's largely irrelevant. Android and windows operating systems are for different uses. It's like the laptop vs tablet debate. Many people still have both, but the replacement cycles are longer as a result. Perhaps if Android & Chrome merge it will be more relevant. But that does not appear to be the case in the near future.