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The Trump Administration No Longer Wants Twitter To Reveal the Owner of an Anti-Trump Account (recode.net)

From a report on Recode: The Trump administration informed Twitter on Friday that it would withdraw its demand that the social media company unmask an account critical of the president -- a move that prompted Twitter to drop its lawsuit. On Thursday, Twitter revealed that U.S. customs agents filed a legal order in a bid to get the company to reveal who is behind @ALT_USCIS -- a so-called "alt-agency" account that has been taking aim at Trump, his immigration policy and the inner workings of the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services.

92 comments

  1. Pissy Frost by Killall+-9+Bash · · Score: 1

    Frosty Piss. Sad.

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    1. Re:Pissy Frost by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

      Well, if it makes the orange lard ass and chief sleep better during his afternoon nap, then hell it's me. And about the H1-B visa nonsense. When are those liars going to be shown the way home?

  2. Shame on Trump supporters. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should have to pay extra to use the internet. The good news, thanks to Ajit, YOU WILL.

  3. Yes, no by zakzor · · Score: 2

    Yes, no, yes, no, yes, no, no, yes, no, yes, yes, no... Trump'sâ mind.

  4. "Trump Administration"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, USCIS is part of the executive branch (the Trump Administration), but this headline seems phrased to suggest Trump had some part in this where I would find that to be highly unlikely. This seems like very careful phrasing in order to elicit emotional responses from the usual suspects.

  5. So sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    can't believe a thing this administration says because it changes on a daily basis

    1. Re:So sad... by skids · · Score: 1

      Eventually we'll be able to recognize the shifts and establish "jeckle" and "hyde" phases, then wonder how long each one will last.

    2. Re:So sad... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The good news is that he projects just how nucking futs he is

      The bad news is that his supporters would probably still vote for him today

    3. Re:So sad... by networkBoy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      good luck with that:
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

      I *lived* with a BPD for a decade before I successfully extricated myself from that disaster area.

      Trump displays so many hallmarks of this that I actually get mild anxiety attacks from watching him.
      There is *no* timing the cycles of "up on a pedestal" to demonization and back... none.

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  6. Next time will have gag order. by thedarb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    All this means is that someone didn't know how to go about it the first time. They withdraw this one, then come back with a proper request tied with a permanent gag order. Takes care of that nasty little law suit, and they will still get what they want.

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    1. Re:Next time will have gag order. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. Then the public hanging?

    2. Re:Next time will have gag order. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Either that or the guy is now in custody.

    3. Re:Next time will have gag order. by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      What grounds exist here to "unmask" an account that is posting stuff you dont like...? Thats what I'm struggling to understand - are they alleging the account owner is doing something illegal by mocking them?

    4. Re:Next time will have gag order. by PoopJuggler · · Score: 0

      Nope, Trump is just a fascist, nothing more. He only supports the 1st Amendment when it portrays him in a positive light.

    5. Re:Next time will have gag order. by imgod2u · · Score: 1

      Funnily enough, this is done through the foreign surveillance legal framework. Which can be done without a warrant now. They claim the accounts hurt national security.

    6. Re:Next time will have gag order. by DaHat · · Score: 1

      Whether we like it or not, he is President, and as President he gets to set policy for the executive branch... which previously included an order for certain agencies not to provide updates via social media.

      While I suspect some of the 'alt' department accounts are simply a fake PR attempt by the 'resistance', if the person running this particular account is an employee of the department in question, then they are very clearly violating the previously mentioned order... which at last check no one has claimed is unlawful.l a result, this person could be subject to penalties by their employer for the same thing which got then deputy-AG Sally Yates fired... insubordination.

    7. Re:Next time will have gag order. by Immerman · · Score: 1

      Perhaps. But last time I checked, insubordination was not a crime, so neither the courts nor law enforcement agencies have any role to play.

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    8. Re:Next time will have gag order. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

    9. Re:Next time will have gag order. by DaHat · · Score: 2

      When/where did I say that insubordination is a crime? When did I mention any sort of crime?

      More so, courts & law enforcement are involved in far more than just 'crimes'.

      You breaking a personal contract with me isn't illegal, and I can go to court and ask the judge to order to you comply, if your refuse you can be subjected to being detained until you do. I could even use the police to seize enough of your property to compensate me for the order.

      Having not read the specific complaint seeking the unmasking, I do not know the specific legal justification being cited, but I am pretty certain the Hatch Act would apply for a start.

    10. Re:Next time will have gag order. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I imagine it's an Administrative Subpoena, they are well known as being baseless fishing expeditions for the most part. How they are constitutional is beyond me, subpoenas from what I understand were intended to compel people to show up in a full fledged court, not force people to provide private documents at the drop of a pen. I would wager that +95% of the subpoenas sent these days never result in a court case.

    11. Re: Next time will have gag order. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So I can claim that you might have had a contract with me and compel slashdot to release your personal identity to confirm it? If it turns out you aren't the person I thought you were. No harm. No foul?

      That is the position you are arguing for.

  7. It seems to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...a reasonable request.

    1. Re:It seems to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Supressing speech that has broken no law is reasonable?

      Because I doubt there were happy consequences for owner of that account.

    2. Re:It seems to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I trust the President.

    3. Re: It seems to me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fool.

  8. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump is worse than a noob. He's incompetent and clueless with a complete lack of ability (everything has been handed to him or he's taken it like a child). He doesn't know how anything in the real world actually works. He's developed some real estate and and sat on his ass his entire life.

  9. Re:Trump is noob by rogoshen1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not a huge fan of Obama either, but i can't really picturing him *caring* what some random person on twitter had to say about his policies.

    That's Trump though, massively rich and successful businessman, and now the leader of the US; but his ego demands retaliation for any perceived slight. You'd think at some point getting upset over what randoms on the internet have to say would be a bit like getting your feelings hurt over a dog barking at you.

  10. Translation: They found what they were looking for by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Of course we'll never know if Twitter caved behind closed doors.

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  11. Wait for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The account will suddenly post about the error of their ways and promote support for trump.

    1. Re:Wait for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They should update their image to include a rat cage stuck on their face, ala 1984

      http://archersofokcular.com/1984-revisited/rat-mask-1984/

  12. Re:Trump is noob by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Funny

    Alphabet Inc. owns Google, not Twitter.

    Unless the Twitter account used a gmail account to open it, I don't see how Alphabet intelligence would be able to help.

  13. Re: Trump is noob by grif_91 · · Score: 1

    I can't tell if you're joking, serious, or trolling, but regardless, good job.

  14. Re:Trump is noob by turp182 · · Score: 1

    This was a test of how they would respond.

    After seeing the response I'm sure the NSA got a call (they had probably already been contacted).

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  15. Someone must have given Trump a new shiny toy by JoeyRox · · Score: 1

    To distract him from this issue. I'm guessing it was a tiny red fire truck. Or a new Infowars story about how Obama let aliens slip through space and onto Earth.

  16. Some ugly bitches fell off a balcony yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They splattered like dogshit. It felt wonderful to see ther dead cunts.

    1. Re:Some ugly bitches fell off a balcony yesterday by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How good did you feel while you were raping their dead bodies?

  17. Re:Verbiage by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2

    What do you think about the Republicans calling what was essentially their own ACA 'Obamacare' for 8 years and training their base to hate it?

    This is a milder version of that. It's just a reminder that the guy who thinks he's running it all (which no president can actually do) is officially responsible.

    He's going to drain the swamp, he's going to shake things up, he's going to stick it to the 1%ers, right?

    Well, it's his show. Regardless of whether or not he has actual authority, Trump has claimed responsibility and the media's running with it... probably because they mostly don't align with him politically.

  18. Uhhuh. by Tesen · · Score: 1

    Unless these accounts were revealing classified information, who gives a shit - altUSEPA is just that an account prefixed with "altUS" not an actual official government account and no different than the accounts you or I create. There is a verification process for Twitter and such official accounts are marked as verified so it should be obvious to anyone looking at an alt account it is not verified nor official. If Twitter wants to implement a policy where alt govt accounts will NEVER be verified, so be it. But that is their choice and not the orange one.,

  19. Re:Verbiage by Captain+Splendid · · Score: 4, Interesting

    To be fair, Trump has not staffed something like two thirds of the non-cabinet positions he's supposed to appoint (as well as making noises that he's probably not going to either.) One of his principal advisers, Bannon, is also on record about their desire to severely shrink gov and retain more control at the executive level (Kushner's massive portfolio is a good example of this.) So, unlike the more diffuse administrations of the past, control and command is very much vested in the White House, and therefore, Trump himself.

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  20. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trump, is that you?

  21. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Check, check, check, check, check. OH GOD IT'S ALL TRUE

  22. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Creimer, is that you?

  23. because they already know his identity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...and people shouldn't know that they already killed this person.

  24. Re:Trump is noob by RandySmith6424 · · Score: 2

    1) Doesnt qualify him to be president 2) He has also ruined many businesses... Also doesnt qualify him to be president 3) Only because America is full of idiots 4) Probably not a qualification for president...? 5) He has been married 3 times so far. That to me says that he is not that great at family stuff. Me: 1) Not a billionaire, but I work for the government. So I live comfortably and dont do shit. 2) 1 successful business venture that I gave up so I could stop doing shit. 3) would never want that job 4) 9 is multiple, so Im doing OK. 5) medium sized family with only 1 marriage. All happy and loving life. Id rather be me to be honest.

  25. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This statement right here is exactly why this country is fucked. A society that made that clown successful is fucked up.

    "Successful", meaning the rest of society has failed in eliminating him.

    I mean, we could also make a point about how "successful" Soros, Gates, or any other wealthy democrats are, but like, you're gonna scream about how they cheat or something with niether proof, nor reliable metrics.

  26. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot about his incredibly tiny hands

  27. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "1) He's a billionaire, while you're probably not."

    He's not either.

  28. Re:Translation: They found what they were looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, they don't want the CBP summons to be challenged in court since they would then lose that tool. This way they can continue to use this against companies with smaller pockets and fewer lawyers.

  29. Re:Trump is noob by imgod2u · · Score: 1

    You're equating combating chain-mail spam with trying to unearth anonymous accounts by private citizens. Seems like a false equivalence to me.

  30. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All the better to fit into your pussy.

  31. Re: Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't Twitter sell its API to Google?

  32. Re:Verbiage by imgod2u · · Score: 1

    This is the US Customs and Border Protection requesting private data on accounts who are criticizing POTUS, accounts purportedly done by current Administration staff. So it seems appropriate to tie in "Trump Admin" into this. Had it been US Customs and Border Protection doing their normal every-day thing of screening foreign visitors, you'd have a point.

  33. Re:Trump is noob by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a bit of a stretch to call him a "successful" businessman. His record is mixed, and in a way I respect that.

    His father set him up in NYC real estate in the 1970s, staking him 40 million -- the equivalent of about two hundred million today. You'd have to be a fool not parlay that into a billion by 2000, because you could do that by playing it safe putting your money in conservative, diversified portfolio.

    But here's the part I respect: Trump didn't play it safe. He invested in things he loved -- like golf courses and casinos. If it were me I'd have put the money into science and tech companies, because that's what I love, but either way investing for love isn't very sound financially, and Trump needed his father to bail him out at least one point.

    It's clear that Trump's career motivation has been to leave his mark on the world, and because he's not a very imaginative man he set out to do that literally. And that thirst for recogntion not surprising, given the fact that in the Trump family succession, Donald was the spare. His older brother Fred Jr. was suppose to inherit the business empire, but he was a drunk.

    So the need for approval and love is hardly incongruous with Trump's background. And that need is an asset for a politician; with it he can make a genuine emotional connection with crowds of strangers; without it he comes across as aloof and phony. But Trump's need for approval is altogether too malignant for comfort.

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  34. Re: Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because Obama was spook. Good ol' Barry Sotero was a wonderful asset.

  35. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Of course, all of those items follow this item:

    0) He was born into a rich family who gave him significant assets and connections to start his business.

  36. Re:Trump is noob by DaHat · · Score: 1

    You're equating combating chain-mail spam

    Wait, they were only looking to be sent chain-mail spam? Boy, sure wish they would have said that, rather than leaving their request rather open to include just about anything which disagreed with the acceptable narrative of the administration... ala wrong-think.

    trying to unearth anonymous accounts by private citizens.

    Except those private citizens claim to be government employees, who are openly acting in direct opposition to standing and lawful instructions from their superiors with regards to their jobs and the acceptability of speaking on behalf of any part of the department.

    Wanna post your personal thoughts during the evening about your employer? Go ahead, become actively insubordinate and/or do so during work hours? Don't be surprised if you suddenly find yourself able to be let go with cause.

    Seems like a false equivalence to me.

    Seems like you are starting from a pair of false premises to me.

  37. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes, as of now, I am in control here, in the White House.

  38. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The U.S. Customs Agency and Immigration requested the information because it appears the account owner works in the U.S. Customs and Immigration Agency. If the account owner was an employee and is using his position to undermine the policies the agency is mandated to abide by he has violated the agencies regulations that would legally support his termination from the job.

    As a private individual he would be able to do any thing he wanted to but working to subvert the agency he works for from the inside is a problem. And he is not a whistle blower because the agency in question is breaking no laws when the abide by policies governing the agencies is not against the law.

    And since the government agency asking for the information did file for a warrant of any kind it is highly doubtful Trump was even consulted or even aware of what the agency was doing in this particular case. No President can be aware of every single decision someone in the government is making. When Trump did become aware of the situation he instructed the agency to drop their request.

  39. Re: Trump is noob by networkBoy · · Score: 1

    that's what makes it the best kind of sarcastic troll.
    A hat tip to the GP post indeed!

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  40. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. I work in government IT for slightly above minimum wage and I will remind you everyday.

  41. Mainstream Media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I noticed this in the mainstream media.

    Define "mainstream media".

    Do you know the difference between a primary and secondary source?

    Do you understand that if a "news" story feels good that it's manipulating you? And by feels good - it's something that you like hearing. For example, conservatives love hearing that protests against Trump turn into riots that break shop windows. Or that BLM protestors assaulted some innocent white Trump supporter - who happened to walk into their protest and who knows what he said.

    This last election was an illustration of how easily people can be manipulated. Present company included.
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    "Mainstream media" - You know, folks who say that sound really stupid. You sound like some sycophant (sheep) of some Fox News pundit.

  42. Re:Trump is noob by sexconker · · Score: 1

    I actually made the "oooooh" face reading these 2 comments. Thanks for the lulz.

  43. Re:Trump is noob by sexconker · · Score: 1

    No, he's you're equating a crowd-sourced, Orwellian dragnet to a legal request for records relating to an individual likely committing crimes.

    There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov.

    If you see something, say something, citizen!

  44. Re:Trump is noob by sexconker · · Score: 1

    Damn it. That should be:

    No he's not. You're...

  45. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you're such a mindless little lamb

    You are not any of that either along with vast majority of the rest of the world. NONE of what you stated is any real sign of success. His family has only ever had one truly successful person and still he did that by walking on the backs of other people and that is Trumps daddy who handed him the golden spoon.

    The Trump "fortune" and "power" will disappear completely in a couple of generations as his degenerate offspring who inherited their shitty ass qualities and traits from their moron of a father piss everything away.

    His clueless nitwit of a daughter said it best when she said she doesn't know what it means to be complicit. Just goes to show you money cannot and never has bought smarts.

  46. Re:Verbiage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ah yes, the Micro-manager in chief.

    Spin this however you like- But this is the very definition of incompetence.

  47. Re: Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His daughter will likely be elected the first female American president when she wins the 2024 election (following her father's re-election in 2020).

  48. Free Anonymous Speech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So we agree in free speech. However, I'm not aware of any law (The Constitution) or elsewhere that guarantees anonymity with your free speech. Although in this whole thing everyone seems to be a jerk--people are responsible for what they say. Stand up and let others know who you are. Hiding is for wimps.

    1. Re:Free Anonymous Speech? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      However, I'm not aware of any law (The Constitution) or elsewhere that guarantees anonymity with your free speech.

      Well, now you are.

  49. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's a bit of a stretch to call him a "successful" businessman. His record is mixed, and in a way I respect that.

    It is not his record at business that scares me, nor it is his ego, though that is horribly dangerous. What scares me is what comes from his ego. The term narcissistic sociopath comes to mind. He says whatever the hell it takes to win the current argument, without regard for any time before now or any time after now. He lies just as readily as most people breath. That is dangerous.

    I can't tell whether Trump saw smacking Assad down as primarily a way to change the narrative or if he actually somehow believes that a chemical weapons attack not remotely as bad as the one he told Obama to ignore somehow demands immediate action. The Syrian war is approaching half a million lives. I feel for the children. I really do, but dead is dead and these other types of bombs are hardly a kind and gentle death.

    It is at least possible that he decided to act because he saw it on tv and it affected him more with him in that position. I honestly don't know. If that is the case it would imply that he is incapable of truly considering the scope of complex issues without them being spoon fed. I hope that is not true, but I fear it probably is. It is also possible that it is all an act. I really don't know, nor do I particularly care.

    If he wants to do one morally non ambiguous thing, remove and terminate this travel ban nonsense. Sure the courts have stopped it, but, well, if there is one good thing that can be done is to give shelter to legitimate refuges. No one is saying to get rid of the vetting, but at 2 years it is already extreme.

    Perhaps this is also why he has attacked things like the EPA? All he ever sees is the problems it caused him. Has he ever considered looking at their successes?

  50. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How is this the same thing? The Obama administration was asking for information that was publicly available. They were basically asking for people to help them index the internet. Not so with Trump who wanted to figure out who published, which goes to retrieving personally identifiable information from a service.

  51. Paging Senator Franken... by Lost+Race · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This flagrant attempt to abuse executive powers for political purposes provides the perfect opportunity for a high-profile congressional investigation. Whoever gave the order to send this summons to Twitter should be fired at the very least. If it was Trump himself (who else could it be, really?) then get the impeachment ball rolling!

    1. Re: Paging Senator Franken... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sold.

  52. Re:Trump is noob by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 1

    That's Trump though, massively rich and successful businessman, ...

    For specific values of "massively" and "successful".

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  53. Re: Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget about his teleportation to Mars as part of a CIA operation

  54. Re: Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you mean 2028. Pence will run fornre-election in 2020.

    Or did you think Trump was going to make it through four years or tweet rage?

  55. Re:Trump is noob by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    "There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

    What's wrong with that?

  56. Re:Verbiage by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He probably doesn't have enough relatives

  57. Re:Trump is noob by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

    He probably has a net worth still close to $1 billion after his NYC real estate asset value went down 40% recently.

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  58. Re:Trump is noob by LifesABeach · · Score: 1

    You didn't mention that he licks putin's dick, and that I don't.

  59. Re:Trump is noob by Highdude702 · · Score: 1

    1) Not a billionaire, but I work for the government. So I live comfortably and dont do shit.

    Look at you, You sit here and act so fucking righteous while at the same time admitting that youre a piece of shit. What the fuck is wrong with you people. Get a fucking clue. Boy your parents must be proud! Their son is a leech on society, and hes proud of it! I hope somebody beats you to a bloody pulp.

  60. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    @natsecwonk say what? Seriously this shit isn't hard to search the internet for. It doesn't take much of a memory to remember some of these things just pay a little attention.

  61. Re: Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Which fucking dog dares to bark at me? It has no right to bark at me. Fucking dog!

  62. Re:Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The tweets came from someone(s) claiming to work for USCIS, which is part of Homeland Security, so presumably they are thinking that this is a leak source or sabotage or such. It's not just a "random person on Twitter." However, as far as I know, they never said what their justification was for the summons.

  63. Re: Trump is noob by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You forgot to add that I didn't graduate from high school either. Oh yea, I have 2 degrees. I was laid off for two years around the dot com bust, but got a shit ton of money from the govt to go back to school, but now I get about 20 calls a day for job opportunities.

  64. Re:Trump is noob by jandersen · · Score: 1

    He invested in things he loved -- like golf courses and casinos.

    I've always wondered about how anybody can 'love golf and casinos'; I've tried both and casinos in particular, I just find so mindlessly boring. And of course eye-wateringly poor taste of the decor. No, give me a muck heap and some honest labour any day of the week. (That's a pretty good description of SW engineering too, come to think of it)

    So the need for approval and love is hardly incongruous with Trump's background. And that need is an asset for a politician; with it he can make a genuine emotional connection with crowds of strangers; without it he comes across as aloof and phony. But Trump's need for approval is altogether too malignant for comfort.

    I think you're talking for you sick aunt, as we say in in Denmark. Trump is perhaps not a bad man at heart; neither were Obama not Bush; and it is quite likely that Putin and Assad are caring and decent blokes somewhere inside. Very few people have ever been entirely given over to evil - most evil is done 'for the greater good' or some similar excuse. The problem with Trump is that he rushes out to 'sort out' things without thinking; we've seen it with his idiotic attempts at forcing things through - like the hare-brained ban on muslims or the repeal of affordable healthcare. Or the stupid idea that Mexico will pay for the infamous wall through an import tax - I mean, who is paying that tax, other than the American citizens that are buying prouct imported from Mexico?

    The way he started throwing cruise missiles at Syria, apparently spontaneously, with little regard for the fact that he will be stepping up the level of conflict in a region where things already very tense does not bode well. We shouldn't forget how WWI was started by a series of events that in isolation were minor, but through a mixture of bad luck and incomptence spread and became one of the most catastrophic conflicts ever seen. Right now we have plenty of potential for bad lluck, and we have at least one incompetent fool in a powerful position, so I am getting worried.

  65. Re:Trump is noob by mjwx · · Score: 1

    Not a huge fan of Obama either, but i can't really picturing him *caring* what some random person on twitter had to say about his policies.

    Of all the faeces that was publicly thrown at him by the likes of Fox News, Brietbart and other extreme right organisations that had easy to find owners... What did Obama do...

    Nothing. By ignoring them he made them look like idiots. By going after a twitter troll (and this guy seems as much of a troll as Trump is a successful businessman with his 7 chapter 11's) Trump has given him an air of legitimacy.

    The things Trump is doing seems very much like the actions of a 3rd world dictator (nepotism, media controls) than a democratically elected leader

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  66. Re:Trump is noob by hey! · · Score: 2

    One's behavior being understandable doesn't excuse it.

    The way he started throwing cruise missiles at Syria, apparently spontaneously, with little regard for the fact that he will be stepping up the level of conflict in a region where things already very tense does not bode well.

    This is explainable as lack of thought. He felt he needed to react, but like many people he didn't think the consequences through. He's a profoundly ignorant man. Obama, although not shy about using military force, in absence of Congressional authorization attempted to use diplomacy in Syria to discourage use of chemical weapons. Clinton would simply have used force to deny Syria the use of the air assets it needs to deliver chemical weapons. Trump split the difference and ended up with an approach that has the disadvantages of both and the advantages of neither. It's a dramatic but morally timid approach that fits well with his narcissistic personality.

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